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#13 - Lucky · The Chris and Mike Show

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  None. I just I just read your your
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  name. I know
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  what that means. Iron Dog Podcast.
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  Network. I found that Easter.
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  I I find that I found that I was like, that's fucking cool, man.
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  Damn, that's the cool thing about shit like that.
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  Like you don't expect it. So then when you find it, it's
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  like one of those moments where it's like, oh that's fucking
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  right on, man. Well, and it just proves.
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  To you, I see the van on. That I know more about you than
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  most people. So that's where that came from.
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  This this is this is this is true.
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  And I have I have the tattoo to to prove that yes you do Iron
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  Dog. That's that's as old as as us as
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  our friendship I believe. I think it was.
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  It was around about the time that I put that on my my arm
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  that we were jamming. Yeah, I remember when you did.
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  It Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a lot of people over the
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  years ask me if I'm in the Air Force because of that.
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  They think it's wings. It does look like that if you
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  don't know what it is. Yeah, this is true.
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  I think I was the only member of the band that didn't have a
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  tattoo and I still don't have a tattoo.
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  I That's why I just said why don't you have any tattoos?
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  You never thought of getting one.
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  Yeah, so I'll, I'll explain that since you asked.
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  So back in the day, tattoos were a rebellious thing to do, right?
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  Like be a heavy metal guitar player.
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  People went and got tattoos because it scared people, It
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  scared their parents. So back then, I could never
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  figure out what I wanted on my body for the rest of my life.
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  And I hate needles. So the combination of those two,
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  I just never went and did it. And then it became socially
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  acceptable and I was no longer interested.
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  I have nothing against it at all.
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  I I love it. Yeah, I just not for me.
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  Yeah, well, yeah, you you love. Yeah.
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  That was one of the reasons we had Jake on the show, because he
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  he wanted the the story behind his his traditional, I forget
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  what it's called now, like tattoo.
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  So furry. Can't believe he said it is.
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  So I he's going to, he's going to freaking snap inside the head
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  for not getting that right. But you know, and hey, you know,
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  I'm going to give you props when when I well, true.
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  But when when you had that dude on from Scotland, I noticed.
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  In watching Ireland, I noticed. Dave's from Ireland, Sir.
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  The whole mic thing. The whole Dave's not here.
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  The whole mic thing was legit. Like I picked it up on that.
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  I'm like, Oh no shit, that's true.
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  When when Dave was closer, it sounded like a fuller you know,
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  voice than when he was away. So now you can see I've I've
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  finally succumbed to your never ending instruction.
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  Listen man, putting the microphone closer to me.
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  So, so you know. I don't.
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  I know I don't. I don't say these things to
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  criticize. I say these things to make a
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  better end product. And I did run sound for several
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  bands. And you did.
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  I did build a recording studio twice.
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  I know. So you did.
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  Yes, you did. I know everybody has commented
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  on how great my sound is and I always come to your defense and
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  say he was the singer, he didn't play an instrument, he didn't
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  even run the PA. He brought the Pai, ran the PA.
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  So the one thing that Chris has going for him is he does not get
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  mad When you give him constructive criticism, he
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  follows it. And as you folks can see now,
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  from here to eternity, you're going to hear a nice full Chris
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  Dunham voice. Exactly.
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  Exactly. I only took 13 episodes, man.
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  I think. I'm very.
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  I'm very. I'm very coachable.
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  Yeah, I'm very coachable. But sometimes it it it takes a
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  minute to get to my the the coaching to my head you know.
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  And then and once I once I once I do that then I realize it's
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  that epiphany like oh shit. And I'm not afraid to say you're
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  right, you're right. You're right about a lot of
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  things when it comes to music and recordings and and sound and
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  PA's and stuff, because that was one of the things you did.
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  So yeah, you're right, man. You're fucking right.
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  And I tell you, I wrote. Go ahead, go ahead.
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  No, no, go ahead. Tell me No, no, tell me.
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  Well, I was going to I was going to go down the path.
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  Like the music, our intro music, it's been it's been in my head
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  and you know me well enough that I just won't write lyrics to
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  music just for the hell of it. Like, I just, I just don't do
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  that. I have to.
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  It has to come into my mind and I'm and I don't know how many
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  other you and I have talked about this, but I don't know how
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  many other people out there that have have been in the music
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  world and and wrote music and whatnot, lyrics and melodies.
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  To me. It's always comes to me in that
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  twilight part of falling asleep, which has always been like just
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  a motherfucker of it. Because like all the stuff we
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  wrote in Nemesis, unless I wrote it at practice, because there
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  was sometimes where I walked in and we just, you guys had just a
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  rift going that automatically just something went off of my
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  brain. But for the most part, all the
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  stuff that we would come up with that wasn't written live in our,
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  in our, in our practice sessions would come to me in that
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  twilight, like just about to fall asleep.
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  But then and then you kind of drift into like the kind of
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  unconsciousness. And then all of a sudden the
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  muse starts waking up and starts.
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  And I had that happen, man, like shit, you not like three or four
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  nights ago I was in that zone. I was falling asleep and then it
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  popped in my head and I had this whole fucking, you know, I think
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  it was like 8 lines, which would be the two verses and a chorus
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  that was going to go to that music.
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  And then and I and I kept repeating in my head over and
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  over again and I was thinking I should write this down like I'll
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  fucking remember in the morning. Shit you not, dude.
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  Woke up in the morning, took me about half a day to realize.
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  And I text you and I'm like, motherfucker.
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  I had what I thought, right, Which now is never going to be
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  known, would have been the best fucking song lyrically to go
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  with that, with the melody I was forming in my head, 'cause it
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  just, it reminds me of the cult a little bit with that big sound
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  of da na na na na, you know that you do.
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  Which is probably why the cult popped up on YouTube Music,
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  because you know, our phones listen to us now and they were
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  doing them. One of their songs, firewoman,
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  like a reunion thing they're doing.
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  And I'm like, holy shit, the dude can still sing.
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  He's not animated anymore because you can't.
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  You can't be. But he can still hit those notes
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  I wasn't pressed. Oh yeah, they sound amazing.
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  And a lot of the reason the a lot of the reason that Billy
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  Duffy and I so name dropping for those out there.
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  Billy Duffy is the guitar player for the cult.
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  The reason that we have a lot of the same sound, we don't sound
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  the same. One of the reasons that we have
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  the same style of big sound is we were the only guitar player
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  in the band. So you have to fill that sound
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  out with something, right? We don't have a keyboard player
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  to rely on, nor do we have a rhythm guitar player to rely on.
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  So I will say that not I, I wouldn't say he's one of my
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  influences, but I would say I was influenced by him for sure,
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  because their sound to your point is just fantastic.
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  Yeah, clean to the point. It's full and I've always right
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  and and I've always been impressed with just a four piece
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  band. I'm obviously impressed with
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  like bands like Rush and Triumph.
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  You know because they're three piece you know bands.
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  But four piece bands to be able to pull off and and create a a
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  fat sound, you know where there is no whether it's just where
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  it's just going to be. Force piece, I just mean a
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  singer not doing anything but singing guitars, playing all the
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  leads and rhythms, A drummer playing the drums and the bass
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  keeping the beat. So I'm not talking about on the
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  side stage, you got to right, Right, Exactly.
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  Not like side stage where you got a really guitar player
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  playing. Like I love Ultra Bridge, but
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  Miles and and Mark Tremonti playoff each other because you
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  know, Tremonti is the lead guitar player.
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  Miles does a lot of rhythm stuff.
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  I mean Miles is fantastic guitarist from what I've seen
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  live and shit. But I I like being able to fill
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  a space with really just three musical instruments and and
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  build such a dynamic sound that the singer can step in and just
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  kind of fill that final piece of that that final space in there
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  and just take it somewhere. I've always liked that.
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  That's why I've always liked not having more than three of the
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  members in a band. I just, I think it clouds,
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  clouds, shit. Then you get more personalities
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  and you know, I mean I don't know because I was never in.
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  I think one band that was in had more than four people, but I was
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  a short lived band because we just none of us saw eye to eye.
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  That was a bump in the road. I think after, before or after
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  Numesis, I don't remember, but that's it.
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  So what do you want to talk about today?
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  Mr. Mike Michaels Let's you know a Guitar player of Numesis
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  Rock'n'roll Band. Well, I was going to say
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  something. What was I going to say?
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  OK, I don't know. I don't know.
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  I was going to say I was. Going to say half.
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  I was going to say I agree with you on only having four members
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  in the band, but but there's a butt in there.
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  Right, Yeah. We were at the point where I
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  was. I was writing so many different
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  guitar parts that I couldn't pull off live, and we didn't
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  have John Paul Jones to play keyboards and bass guitar at the
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  same time. Rick wasn't quite up to that
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  caliber of player. Nobody is up to that caliber of
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  player. I'm not dissing Rick in any way.
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  He was a great bass player, but the reason that Led Zeppelin can
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  get away with that is that John Paul Jones filled in those gaps.
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  You didn't miss the some of the guitars you missed if you were a
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  freak like me and you knew their music inside and out.
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  But my point is our music was getting to that point where,
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  just like I did on that intro music, there's three independent
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  guitar parts all playing three different things at the same
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  time, right? You can't.
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  What do you do when you get on stage?
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  I got two hands and one. Guitar, right, But that.
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  I'm just defending Mark's point duty of of he wants you to hear
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  what he hears in his head, right?
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  That's why those people are there.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and he probably pays.
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  Him and there's he. Probably pays him $500 a a night
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  or something. You know, they're just hired
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  guns. Sure, sure.
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  Oh yeah. But that's that's one of those
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  things that's nice about about how you can record now too,
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  because back when we were doing our thing, it really was, it was
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  still an 8 track, 16 track, 32 track at the most right, correct
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  and you know 20. Four actually. 24 was top back
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  then, right? You had to string tape machines
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  together to get more than 24 tracks.
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  I think you could do 2 together and get 48.
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  Yeah, yeah, probably. We'll ask Tony when we have him
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  on that. Was the beauty of of.
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  He's a studio. Guru there you go.
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  There you go. Studio Guru.
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  So so we do have we do have for the listeners.
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  No. We do have a YouTube channel.
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  I think it's is it is, is it live?
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  If you could is the Mike on YouTube.
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  I have not checked it out. Why don't you pull it up there,
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  Maestro? I mean, let me see, let me see,
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  let me see. Chris is our statistician and
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  Chris all around Google game. You got to have one of those
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  nowadays. You got to have one of those.
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  There's oh, I just hit Chris, Chris and Mike.
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  For some reason they came up. There's a band called Chris Mike
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  which is funny. Really.
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  Chris and Mike Show podcast. Yeah.
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  Oh, maybe I should go to YouTube.
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  That would probably be smart. Chrissy coughing.
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  Don't want to cough on the microphone.
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  Bad thing. Yes, go to YouTube And Chris and
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  Mike Show. Chris and Mike Show.
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  Because we started. We're building it.
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  We're building it. Oh, come on, spell it right,
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  man. That would fucking be helpful.
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  Sometimes my brain tells me what numbers, what letters to hit and
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  then yeah, for some reason it doesn't work.
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  The same thing happens to me, trust me.
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  Hence my name today, which is a secret to everybody but us.
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  Maybe. OK, so we're not live yet, but
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  we're working on it. OK.
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  Yeah. So you can just walk me through
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  that. So for our listening audience
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  out there, we do have a YouTube channel coming.
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  Chris is working on it. And yes, it's attached to my
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  name because he's already a business owner and we didn't
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  want to mess things up. So I will finish that for him as
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  soon as possible and then we will have a YouTube channel and.
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  For us. For us.
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  Yes, right. You may even see me pop on there
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  and find. Our stuff this.
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  All this? Play a little.
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  Uploaded. Yeah, I might.
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  Even pop on there and play a little guitar for the people who
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  one never knows when that might happen.
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  Yes, I might pick you a little ditty.
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  There you there you go. I've been told I can do that.
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  I like that. You can absolutely you can do
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  it, everyone, because it's our YouTube channel.
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  So, you know, let it fly, man. Let it fly.
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  So the people that have followed us at Facebook, that's amazing.
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  I think we just went over 300 like we're at three O 7 or
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  something. Yes, yes, we did.
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  Been getting a lot of compliments on the content, so
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  thank you for everybody who's participating and giving us
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  positive and constructive criticism.
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  Both of them are. Yes.
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  Accepted. Like how I need to talk into the
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  microphone and have a closer to my face.
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  Well, I I think I made the point last week.
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  There's a reason I chose you to be the singer of the band.
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  It's because you got a good voice and it really is doing you
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  a disservice if the listening audience is not hearing that
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  full voice. You know, I've been told I got a
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  good voice and I can't carry a tune in a bucket, so.
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  You never did any backup vocals with Nemesis.
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  No, you guys wouldn't want me. Rick or Rick and I.
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  Yeah, you guys wouldn't let me. Oh, OK.
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  Huh. Jason was asked.
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  Jason would ask how many microphones we needed and you
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  guys would say two. I was like, well, what if I
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  wanted to say something? You would just come over and let
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  me say something. You would?
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
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  I'd give you the mic. Hey Mike Inject drop your
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  opinion. I think I was too busy playing
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  rhythm and lead guitar and smoking cigarettes and getting
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  high. And yeah, a lot of things were
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  going on back then. It was a full time job.
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  Is it, what's the weather like there?
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  What's what's the weather like there today?
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  Because here we've got we're getting like pounded with rain.
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  We're going to have like an inch and a half over the next like 12
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  hours. So let me.
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  Stop since yesterday. Let me tell you what we've been
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  through in the last, I don't know, 72 hours.
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  It was cold as fuck. There's no other way to put it.
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  You think that hell is hot. It's not.
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  It's frozen. No way to put it.
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  So. Right.
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  Well, that's why the Eagles were coming back when hell froze
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  over, you know? Correct.
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  They were. They were.
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  They couldn't have been any more correct.
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  So in the last 72 hours, we've had -20 to 30 wind chill and
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  then it snowed. Not a lot.
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  But then it decided to warm up to just above freezing and rain
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  all night. So in some places we had an inch
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  of ice on the roads and the power lines in your house.
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  Thank God we didn't lose our power.
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  But yeah, driving the generator, No, I do not.
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  I should have bought it. Before you should get a.
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  Generator. Well, listen, man, before COVID
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  to get a whole house generator was about 6 to $7000.
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  For my house, it's more than doubled.
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  Now they're about. 13 to 15. Well, it's about 13 to 15 around
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  here, OK. And while I have $13,000, I have
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  other things that I would like to spend that $13,000 on.
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  Right. I know that the last time that
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  you knew me, I guess this is a little bit of what I wanted to
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  talk about today. I was thinking the last time
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  that you saw me was 15 years ago when we were going to put
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  another band together. We jammed.
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  Right. Right.
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  Was told by somebody that saw us before.
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  Yeah. And we were told by Kevin, who
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  saw us before in concert and in his backroom, that we sounded as
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  good or better than we ever had. Yep, just in that short time.
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  So I just got to thinking about that today that was probably
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  month number, I don't know maybe six or seven into my recovery.
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  So you saw me pretty much at the worst that anybody ever saw me
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  other than maybe Carrie because I took.
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  Well, I think Carrie took me out to.
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  Lunch. In the middle of that, when I
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  when I was right in the middle of my addiction, I mean, I
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  probably look like death warmed over that day that I saw.
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  But yeah, you're one of the few people that actually saw me at
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  my worst, for sure. That's crazy.
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  And there are the irony of that is I didn't, I didn't know that.
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  I didn't know you were in that in that you know me battle at
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  the time. Yeah, I know you damn it.
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  I'll add it. Everybody hides it man.
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  Unless you're me and and just fucking hey, you know, here you
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  go, world, you know? Well, I wasn't ready to admit.
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  No, I am. That's the trip.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Well. Well, nobody is.
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  It takes time. I'm an anomaly, man.
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  You know, I got enough. I learned a long time ago this
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  was. It's ripped that shit off like a
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  Band-Aid. You're going to love me, hate
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  me. Either way, it doesn't matter
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  how or what I say, 'cause you're going to love me or hate me.
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  So I might as well not walk any fine line.
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  Just be who I am and you fucking deal with it, man.
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  And that's where I that's where I got to.
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  So the way that I think of it is almost identical.
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  I did it. I can't undo it.
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  Oh, good. And if it saves one person from
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  going as far as I did, then it's all worth it to talk about it,
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  you know, because at the end of the day.
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  Agreed 100% man. The only thing that I ever
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  really I'm not going to say I needed it, but it never hurt me
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  and it always made music more enjoyable.
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  What's to smoke pot? I never had a problem with
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  marijuana at all. You could take it away from me
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  tomorrow, just like my employer did, and I went nine years
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  without ever touching it. That's not an addiction.
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  So when we're talking about addiction and recovery, I want
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  to make it very clear to the people that are listening
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  because I sound like I'm sending mixed messages because I do get
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  high and I enjoy it and there's nothing wrong with it and it's
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  fucking legal. So I waited my whole life to be
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  able to say that. Publicly.
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  As much as I like to say that I'm a recovering addict, right I
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  I said it on another podcast. If you said that out loud 10
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  years ago, they'd put you in jail.
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  Yeah, but I I agree with that. It's it's now.
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  Nikki thinks marijuana's a gateway drug and some people
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  still have that mindset, which I get.
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  And I respect that because everybody's entitled to their
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  own opinion. And you and I both know we're
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  not going to disrespect anybody's opinion.
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  We're going to value it and we'll have a conversation about
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  it and it is what it is. No, we're going to disagree.
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  Respect. It I never really smoked a ton
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  of pot. Exactly.
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  And I never really smoked pot at all.
• 21:58
  You know, I did when my neck, when my neck was was gone and
• 22:02
  the last six months of that, I had a friend who here locally
• 22:06
  that had a connection with somebody that had the medical
• 22:09
  marijuana cause at the time, medical marijuana was legal in
• 22:12
  Arizona. This was 2014, the end of 2013
• 22:16
  to 14. So being an alcoholic, I can't
• 22:20
  take painkillers because I just, I just can't.
• 22:22
  So I can't. I I'm Advil and Tylenol and
• 22:25
  that's it. So when you have vertebrae in
• 22:29
  your neck that are not getting spinal fluid because it's it's
• 22:32
  was fused at birth and then it's just grinding your your two
• 22:34
  vertebrae are just grinding and and.
• 22:36
  I have that from my car. That, man, It's just insane.
• 22:39
  I mean. It's called degenerative.
• 22:41
  OK, so you know, so it's so. Yes, believe me, I know.
• 22:44
  Right. So that shit's that shit's
• 22:46
  insane, right? If it wasn't for my buddy who
• 22:50
  had that connection and yeah, yeah.
• 22:53
  So those of you who see me not being able to sit still, that's
• 22:56
  a lot of the reason I do it. I got to move every now and then
• 23:00
  to crack my neck. And this is, yeah, yeah.
• 23:04
  And and that's the thing. And this is one of those things
• 23:06
  that I've never, like discussed publicly.
• 23:08
  Just because, like, you know, like kids don't know.
• 23:11
  But I like legit. They'd go to bed and I'd go out
• 23:14
  back and I'd, I'd hit that medical stuff and I'd just, I'd
• 23:17
  sit there and just let it, you know, take the pain away.
• 23:21
  Legit. It doesn't go to sleep.
• 23:23
  Without pain and and that's how I lived, right?
• 23:26
  And that's how I lived the last three months before I had the
• 23:28
  ACDF surgery, where they went in to the base of my neck
• 23:32
  sometimes. That's what they wanted to do to
• 23:33
  me. It's Peyton Manning surgery.
• 23:37
  Yeah, and it worked there. You.
• 23:39
  Know it did. Absolutely.
• 23:40
  Was pain free within a month or so after recovery.
• 23:42
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 23:44
  I should have done it full on, a chicken down.
• 23:46
  And then and then like to your point and and to and to your
• 23:51
  point the the I think the day, well, probably two or three
• 23:56
  months, two months or so after once I finally was up and around
• 23:59
  and then I remembered oh shit, you know I still have that stuff
• 24:02
  that he gave me. I flushed it because I didn't
• 24:03
  need it anymore. So it's it's not it's not so
• 24:07
  much an addiction like people think and I think that's why
• 24:09
  it's legalized to the level that it is.
• 24:11
  And I don't, I don't think the NFL ever test sport now because
• 24:14
  it's such a recovery mechanism for the for the football players
• 24:17
  who just get their bodies beat as shit.
• 24:20
  You know every. Week and they don't.
• 24:22
  They don't hit and practice. Go ahead, I I I think that we
• 24:28
  should hammer that point home that as a painkiller, I don't
• 24:32
  think people understand because you know, if you've never done
• 24:37
  it, there's so many misconceptions of what happens.
• 24:41
  I I described the first time on another podcast, so I I won't go
• 24:45
  deep into it, but I just remember saying that's it.
• 24:50
  You know, I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, you know,
• 24:53
  it's like, when does it get bad? It doesn't get bad.
• 24:57
  And the paranoia that people feel, I think that's good for
• 25:00
  them. The reason that I don't have a
• 25:02
  lot of paranoia is because, no, it is it.
• 25:07
  I it took me a long time to come to terms with what that paranoia
• 25:11
  is, what that paranoia is, is it shit that's rattling around in
• 25:16
  your subconscious? Then until you get high, you
• 25:19
  don't even know it's there. It's the stuff that you've
• 25:22
  suppressed into the back of your mind that you just locked that
• 25:27
  closet door and you don't deal with that shit.
• 25:29
  When you get high, that stuff comes out like, ah, hey, we were
• 25:32
  here and you were ignoring us and now you can't because you're
• 25:36
  stoned, right? I don't have a lot of that
• 25:43
  because I do a lot of self reflection every day, right?
• 25:47
  I meditate. I think about the things that
• 25:50
  I've done wrong. I think about the shit that I
• 25:52
  said wrong and how I'm going to handle it next time I'm a
• 25:54
  fucking weirdo. A lot of people don't put that
• 25:57
  kind of time into their self reflection.
• 26:00
  You and I have to, because we're recovering addicts, and to stay
• 26:05
  not addicted, it requires a lot of mental focus on a daily basis
• 26:11
  that I don't think people put what kind of time that takes
• 26:16
  into perspective. But back to the painkiller side
• 26:20
  of it. If you don't like to smoke, go
• 26:23
  try some edibles. You know, for I'm talking to the
• 26:26
  people who have never done it. If you're afraid to do it, go
• 26:29
  buy yourself a bag of gums and take a little tiny piece of it.
• 26:33
  You know, don't eat the whole thing.
• 26:34
  Cut it into a little tiny piece. Because once again, my body eats
• 26:40
  THC like there's no tomorrow. Chris will attest to this.
• 26:44
  My drummer and I used to smoke pot like it was going out of
• 26:47
  style and this was the weak shit back in the day.
• 26:52
  And neither of us were ever to the point where we were unable
• 26:56
  to function where we were. You always able to hold a
• 27:00
  conversation with us like you are right now, so.
• 27:06
  Absolutely. It affects everyone differently.
• 27:09
  And the one thing that I came to the conclusion was is that my
• 27:14
  body chemistry is as such, that it just murders THC.
• 27:19
  It knows what to do with it, it processes it and it gets rid of
• 27:22
  it because I can get completely blown out.
• 27:27
  And two hours later it's like it never even happened, right?
• 27:32
  Like there's no, there's no side effect at all.
• 27:35
  It's just like, oh fuck, we're sober again, you know?
• 27:39
  And sober's the wrong word. We're back to this reality.
• 27:43
  Or whatever you want back to normal.
• 27:46
  Back to normal. And and.
• 27:47
  Yeah. And.
• 27:48
  And you know. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:50
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, no, I get it.
• 27:54
  And that's you know, it'll in 10 years from now.
• 27:56
  I mean you look at where we've come since 1970 as a world.
• 28:00
  Look at where we've come since 2000 as a world.
• 28:03
  You know so 10 years from now every single state's going to
• 28:07
  have it legalized at some form. And I, I, I I don't know about
• 28:12
  the NFL whether they whether it's is something they don't
• 28:15
  test for anymore. But like Rico Williams, right,
• 28:17
  bad ass running back that was drafted by the Saints.
• 28:20
  He was so transparent about smoking pot and that's why he
• 28:24
  filled a couple of drug tests because they used to test for
• 28:26
  it. But it was all about recovery.
• 28:27
  And it was all about, I mean, you obviously watched football
• 28:31
  this week. And again, as did I.
• 28:33
  You know, people just get lit up, man.
• 28:36
  I can't imagine playing football in, you know, -2° weather and
• 28:41
  getting just railed, coming across the middle of the field,
• 28:45
  reaching for a pass and being completely exposed and just
• 28:47
  getting just lit up and sandwiched by two defenders
• 28:50
  coming at you full speed. That shit hurts.
• 28:54
  Oh yeah, And if they can use the marijuana as a way to alleviate
• 28:58
  pain and and just recover quicker and by all means, man,
• 29:03
  'cause, you know, they're using HGH and shift, you're only using
• 29:05
  all kinds of stemless stuff, 'cause there's no fucking way
• 29:09
  Aaron Rodgers, as old as he is in football years, recovered
• 29:13
  that quickly from a total terror ACL to where he was throwing the
• 29:18
  ball and making moves with his legs.
• 29:21
  What Within two months after the surgery, there's no way unless
• 29:25
  there's something help, enhance, helping enhance that recovery,
• 29:30
  yes. Think back to you know, you and
• 29:34
  I are about the same age, so think back to the 1980s because
• 29:39
  that's probably the first time that you and I can really put
• 29:41
  into perspective sitting down and watching sports or whatever.
• 29:45
  It was a big deal when a guy was £300 on a team.
• 29:49
  Right now everyone on the on both lines, every one of them
• 29:54
  IS300 plus. How does that happen?
• 29:58
  Yeah. Are people getting let me get
• 30:03
  here before you answer that this?
• 30:05
  Government conspiracy? Before you answer that, I like
• 30:08
  the. Government conspiracy?
• 30:09
  Let's, let's put it even in a in a more crazy fucking
• 30:13
  perspective. Let's go all the way back to
• 30:17
  yeah, I'm a I'm a history nerd too.
• 30:19
  So the average soldier in the Confederate.
• 30:24
  No. The average soldier in the Civil
• 30:26
  War on both sides, their weight was 125 lbs.
• 30:32
  The average soldier was 125 lbs in the Civil War.
• 30:36
  So we've gone from a big bad dude.
• 30:41
  No, I do not know why. No, because of the food, man.
• 30:47
  Think about it, all the food they ate back then that was not
• 30:50
  manufactured. It was.
• 30:52
  It was farm food. It was, it was free range
• 30:55
  chickens. It was free range cows.
• 30:57
  Oh yeah. They weren't.
• 30:58
  Processed none of that shit was man made.
• 31:00
  It was right. That's what I'm saying.
• 31:03
  So so you take that to now even in the last 30 years of our
• 31:07
  lifetime you like like kids like you see it with with kids now
• 31:13
  like they're developing younger ages because of all the fucking
• 31:15
  shit they're putting in food all the all the the crap and they
• 31:20
  it's like the eggs like we have farm fresh eggs versus store
• 31:23
  bite eggs and I've I've done videos about this shit.
• 31:26
  The farm fresh eggs man. The yolk is orange.
• 31:29
  The store bought eggs. The yolk is yellow.
• 31:30
  What the fuck? Why why is that.
• 31:33
  Well because of the shit they pump in at the Paleo.
• 31:36
  Yeah the hormones and shit they put in that crap.
• 31:39
  The shells are thicker on farm fresh eggs as opposed to the
• 31:43
  store bought eggs like I can store bought egg click and it
• 31:46
  opens up farm fresh eggs shit you not same force click click,
• 31:50
  click. Finally, it opens up, it's a
• 31:52
  thicker shell. It's a, it's a, it's a it cooks
• 31:55
  different it it keeps that orange color to it, whereas the
• 32:00
  the store bots go yellow. So I think it all has to do with
• 32:03
  what they've done to food and how it's now manufactured on a
• 32:05
  massive level, you know, as opposed to the farm fresh shit.
• 32:10
  Because then you go into like the 80s, right?
• 32:14
  You'd have the big kids that would show up that were, you
• 32:16
  know, a rarity, you know, 6 to you know, 200 LB Lineman.
• 32:22
  Like you said, those were rare. So they would just have all of
• 32:25
  those would be lineman and everybody else would just be 6
• 32:27
  feet tall, you know, But but now it's just insanity.
• 32:30
  I think it all comes down to food and how it's processed and
• 32:32
  how it's how it's made. So that and just that's
• 32:37
  physically making people bigger. I think so.
• 32:42
  Just. Better nutrition.
• 32:44
  Nikki's a teacher. Well, not, but it's not
• 32:48
  necessarily better, right? Because where is When we were
• 32:52
  growing up, girls wouldn't develop till like 1314 years
• 32:55
  old, you know, I mean, it was an anomaly for a girl to start
• 32:58
  develop and showing you know, things when she was in 6th
• 33:02
  grade, right? And correct.
• 33:04
  However, I don't know what the age is.
• 33:05
  Yeah, it was weird to see a chick that had no in 6th grade
• 33:08
  when you and I were kids. Right, right.
• 33:12
  But now it's commonplace. It's, it's it's common.
• 33:16
  It's, it's. And that's all it's got to be
• 33:17
  because of what they're putting in the food, because where are
• 33:20
  they getting the hormones from, right?
• 33:22
  Because that's what does that right?
• 33:24
  Where are they getting the extra estrogen?
• 33:25
  Where are they getting the test? It's got to be, it's got to be
• 33:27
  in what they're doing with foods and how they're manufacturing
• 33:29
  them. Because they're not doing it.
• 33:31
  They're not letting farmers farm anymore, right?
• 33:33
  They're they're selling all their shit up.
• 33:36
  It's like supercharging their estrogen and it's supercharging
• 33:39
  our testosterone. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:43
  Yep, Yep, yeah, exactly like we bought.
• 33:46
  We bought a quarter cow. We've talked about this and if
• 33:49
  and if I took store bought ground beef versus the cow, we
• 33:52
  bought ground beef with just grass fed, no bullshit.
• 33:55
  You put it on the counter. You can.
• 33:57
  The difference of the color is insane.
• 33:59
  The difference of smell is insane.
• 34:01
  The store bought smells like rotten.
• 34:03
  If now that we have the real deal, Nikki will actually enjoy
• 34:09
  the ground beef more from the dead cow that we bought than the
• 34:12
  one we get from the store because of the taste difference
• 34:14
  in the texture and the odor. The odor was just alarming to me
• 34:17
  because. Absolutely.
• 34:20
  Because the shit you're buying at the store is like just a week
• 34:24
  out from being no good, right? Or a month out from being no
• 34:27
  good. Your stuff is a year two years
• 34:30
  out from being no good. That's the difference.
• 34:34
  My brother does the same. I.
• 34:35
  Still have. I still have.
• 34:36
  I think. Yeah, yeah, we've had it.
• 34:39
  Fuck, we shouldn't have your brother on the show.
• 34:41
  We've had it. Oh, he'd probably love it.
• 34:43
  I don't. Know 4-4 or five months now.
• 34:46
  Yeah. Four or five months now we're
• 34:47
  still we still have meat and I give some of the sky and and
• 34:50
  Michael Fry Eugene Michael Eugene Fry Junior her fiance and
• 34:54
  you know like here has some steak or have this.
• 34:56
  You know it's just you know it's a trip.
• 34:59
  I think that's what it comes down to It's just the way the
• 35:01
  government is is now in control of and I'm not and I'm not
• 35:05
  saying that it's a conspiracy theory.
• 35:06
  Oh but legitimate. No.
• 35:08
  No. Every farm every farmland every
• 35:11
  farmer. Right.
• 35:12
  They're, they're, they're. It's being bought up by
• 35:14
  corporate they're. I forget.
• 35:17
  Monsanto. Right.
• 35:19
  And then they're doing this, yeah.
• 35:21
  And they're doing the seeds like they're making the I forget.
• 35:23
  Yeah, that's Monsanto. It's OK.
• 35:28
  OK. Oh, OK.
• 35:28
  Gotcha. Gotcha.
• 35:29
  It's like there's something. What wasn't Brussels sprouts.
• 35:32
  Brussels sprouts when we were kids were fucking disgusting,
• 35:34
  man. Like nasty ass things.
• 35:36
  They smelled. They were fucking.
• 35:37
  The texture was just. Her.
• 35:39
  That's because nobody. Was talking about because I like
• 35:42
  Brussels Sprout, right? But.
• 35:45
  You got an audit code. And that's one of those things
• 35:47
  that she's true, but she but she also learned that they they
• 35:53
  fucked with the DNA of the Brussels sprout to make it more
• 35:56
  enjoyable and edible. Really science can do now, which
• 35:58
  is so certain things are cool. Technology.
• 36:01
  Yeah. This is this part of technology
• 36:03
  is cool. Right.
• 36:04
  We're doing this. You're in Pontiac, IL.
• 36:06
  I'm at Gilbert, AZ. We're having a fucking live
• 36:08
  conversation without any glitches.
• 36:10
  Right. So some technology is really
• 36:12
  cool, but when they start fucking, when they start fucking
• 36:15
  with the crops and let's make better seeds and it's like you,
• 36:20
  you're you're fucking with evolution, man.
• 36:23
  Well. Once you start doing that, it's
• 36:25
  a slippery slope to chaos. I couldn't agree with you more
• 36:29
  and I I'd actually, you know, living in the middle of corn
• 36:32
  country, I'd like to get a farmer on here that knows way
• 36:35
  more than I do because I'm going to talk my I'll be.
• 36:38
  Cool. I'm going to talk my 10%
• 36:42
  educated fucking nonsense and say what I know about Monsanto
• 36:47
  is that if you're planting those seeds and those seeds get blown
• 36:53
  over even in pollination to another private farmer, and they
• 36:59
  find those seeds in the next farm, they will sue that guy for
• 37:03
  everything he's got. One in 10 Indian farmers commit
• 37:07
  suicide every year because Monsanto takes everything they
• 37:12
  have. I don't understand how somebody
• 37:15
  can patent what keeps us alive on this planet.
• 37:19
  No one should own a patent on seeds.
• 37:21
  Agreed that. That blows my mind, and I've
• 37:25
  heard the story again and again. Yeah, me too.
• 37:28
  It's it's money. It is money.
• 37:31
  It's all comes down to money. It all comes.
• 37:32
  It's like you're that's you're not supposed to have monopolies
• 37:35
  with with certain things, right? Cox Communications is the
• 37:38
  monopoly in Arizona when it comes to Internet and they suck.
• 37:40
  I mean the. Media com here When?
• 37:42
  I cut. You have Cox.
• 37:44
  We have Media com. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it suck.
• 37:47
  Yeah, yeah. And I used to send their checks.
• 37:49
  I'd spell it cocks, and they'd still cash them every single
• 37:53
  time. So here, here's a good example
• 37:57
  of where technology is good because you were able to write
• 38:02
  that, you were able to write them off.
• 38:04
  I was able to write Mediacom off because there's they're not the
• 38:08
  only fish in the sea now. You got fire sticks, you have
• 38:11
  YouTube TV, you have fubo. So technology in that respect
• 38:17
  really started to bust up some of those monopolies, because
• 38:20
  whether people want to admit it or not, they had a monopoly for
• 38:25
  the last 30 years. They were a monopoly when I
• 38:27
  lived out there. Cox was your really.
• 38:29
  That was your only option if you wanted cable or Internet.
• 38:33
  Yeah. And where And yeah, and
• 38:35
  unfortunately, yeah, where I'm at right now, it's still
• 38:38
  supposedly Verizon has the plug in in the wall thing we're
• 38:40
  looking into. But for the most part, Cox is
• 38:43
  just the dominant force in the West Coast, which just you're
• 38:46
  not supposed to have monopolies, man.
• 38:48
  And here you go. And to continue to do what you
• 38:51
  want to do with the podcast. Seeds, all that kind of shit.
• 38:54
  You need you need a cable. I actually I'm on DSL right now
• 38:59
  and I'm struggling so that's why I'm going to the fiber optic
• 39:03
  right? But to reel this thing all the
• 39:07
  way back? Starlink, Michael Eugene Fry
• 39:08
  Junior's Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:10
  No, go ahead. Uh, huh.
• 39:11
  I want to hear it. No, no, no.
• 39:14
  I want to hear. Back Michael Eugene Fry.
• 39:16
  Junior has I'm going there. I'm going there.
• 39:18
  Yeah. Michael Eugene Fry has a
• 39:20
  Starlink. He had it where he where he
• 39:21
  lived in Black Canyon City. So they brought it with him.
• 39:24
  He brought it with him when they moved into the edition over
• 39:26
  here. And we had Internet struggles
• 39:28
  this week where it was like 4 hours in the morning and like 6
• 39:31
  hours at night. Some of our neighbors were gone
• 39:33
  all day without it. So I I told them I'm like we
• 39:36
  need to figure out how to hook this shit up and just, you know,
• 39:39
  get rid of Cox entirely. And and then now it's raining.
• 39:42
  So obviously nobody's getting on the roof this weekend.
• 39:44
  But it was badass. Like he never had a problem.
• 39:48
  It was super lightning fast. It would move.
• 39:51
  It moves as the satellite moves in the sky.
• 39:55
  But it was it was legit. We just have got to we got to
• 39:58
  find somebody who can hook it up now and and just get away with
• 40:02
  with Cox completely because it's fucking Cox sucks, man.
• 40:05
  It just sucks. So how does it work like right
• 40:07
  now when you're having thunderstorms?
• 40:10
  And is it like DIRECTV or Dish where you lose your Internet
• 40:13
  signal during a storm? I wouldn't think Elon would let
• 40:16
  that happen, but. That's a good, I don't know.
• 40:20
  Oh, you need to do some investigating on that because we
• 40:22
  don't. Have it hooked up and it wasn't.
• 40:24
  Yeah. Oh, I got that guy.
• 40:25
  I'm asking Michael Eugene Fry Junior because he's the one that
• 40:27
  yeah, yeah yeah that's that's Skye's fiance.
• 40:30
  So it's his. He has it.
• 40:31
  We just we just when he moved over here we didn't hook it up
• 40:34
  because we had Cox. But you know, we have those
• 40:37
  little Aero Aero boxes too ero, they're different spots of the
• 40:41
  house that kind of help build a force field of of of Wi-Fi in
• 40:46
  the. When I let the chickens out, I
• 40:47
  still have, I still pick up the Wi-Fi.
• 40:49
  Yeah, that's what's around in this podcast.
• 40:51
  Right now I'm at the the. In my house too, I'm at the the,
• 40:57
  not the OK, I'm not the furthest point NE of my of my acre, but
• 41:02
  I'm kind of in the front of it. And then the chicken coop is all
• 41:05
  the way back in the southwest corner and I can and so I can
• 41:09
  still pick up the Wi-Fi, which is cool.
• 41:11
  So I don't lose it till I get like 2 houses down, you know,
• 41:16
  because I have the garage door app on my phone and I can open
• 41:18
  my garage door, you know, once I turn the corner, it picks up the
• 41:24
  Wi-Fi. There you go.
• 41:27
  No, I was going to say. You were talking?
• 41:30
  About the. Government getting.
• 41:32
  Involved in you? Know letting Monsanto own A.
• 41:38
  Patent on basically. Our survival, I So I equate that
• 41:45
  to all the years that they allowed marijuana to be illegal.
• 41:53
  And then we had not that long ago the opioid crisis where
• 41:59
  every doctor in America, if you bumped your elbow was handed out
• 42:04
  painkillers because the government was getting kickbacks
• 42:08
  in the way, in the way of lobbyists in Washington from Big
• 42:13
  Pharma for selling all these opiates.
• 42:17
  And they knew damn well what they were doing.
• 42:18
  And at the same time these same people that people worship
• 42:24
  whether they want to believe it or not, if you, if you have any
• 42:28
  faith in politicians, you're worshipping them.
• 42:30
  Because I have 0 faith in any of them.
• 42:34
  Fucking assholes. They are so far removed from you
• 42:38
  and I that they're living the good life and you and I are out
• 42:42
  here trying to survive, George Carlin told us a long time ago.
• 42:45
  This system is broken. It's a big club and you ain't in
• 42:50
  it. And I believed him.
• 42:52
  So when it comes to, it's the good a boy.
• 42:55
  Network man. Absolutely.
• 42:57
  So I got. Criticized a few times this week
• 43:00
  from people who are obviously in the Trump cult.
• 43:04
  And I'm fine with that. You've been indoctrinated.
• 43:06
  I'm sorry. I I feel for you.
• 43:10
  I don't like Joe Biden either. I just fucking hate Donald Trump
• 43:14
  that much because he's a fucking bully.
• 43:18
  And let me talk about that just for two seconds.
• 43:21
  I'm not. Scared of him?
• 43:23
  As a bull, you know. I got a couple.
• 43:25
  People actually saying, oh, you know, he's a bully, bully,
• 43:29
  bully. It's not that I'm afraid of him.
• 43:31
  I don't like assholes. He's a fucking asshole.
• 43:35
  I don't like assholes. I have never in my life made fun
• 43:40
  of somebody that could not defend themselves.
• 43:43
  He makes fun of people who can't defend themselves all the time.
• 43:46
  They're not physically there, and then he'll get things wrong.
• 43:51
  I'm not going down. This road again, I'm.
• 43:53
  Just saying, this is where I'm coming from.
• 43:55
  I hate them all. This system is broken.
• 43:59
  BR OK EN broken. I don't know.
• 44:02
  I don't know what the answer is. Absolutely.
• 44:06
  This country is run by. Corporations.
• 44:09
  They are merely puppets. Yeah.
• 44:11
  And see that's, yeah. Yeah.
• 44:14
  And see the that's where the problem lies.
• 44:15
  I think instead of them being as as as weird as it is to say the
• 44:21
  country needs a a true politician again, somebody that
• 44:24
  is, is because back in it's it's understood that presidents don't
• 44:29
  don't run the country. Congress and Senate do but like
• 44:33
  your point you think Trump's a bully and and Biden's Biden's a
• 44:37
  fuck so. And there's people that agree
• 44:40
  with that disagree with that which is completely fine.
• 44:41
  We have no problem with that. But if a politician's a Pol
• 44:45
  Clinton, OK, Clinton to me Clinton was was one of the best
• 44:48
  presidents we ever had. OK yeah he did a Monica but he
• 44:51
  did what he did was nothing. He's that he's the last
• 44:54
  president. I like done before.
• 44:55
  He just got caught. Right.
• 44:58
  He just got a shit about I. Don't give a fuck what he does
• 45:00
  in his private life. Oh, I don't.
• 45:04
  I don't either. I mean, it wasn't private
• 45:05
  because it was in the White House, but you get what I'm
• 45:07
  saying. But what My point is this.
• 45:09
  He lived there. He had Clinton as a politician
• 45:11
  that that could, right? But but he could.
• 45:15
  He appealed to both sides of the fence so he could he could bring
• 45:18
  the Republicans and Democrats together to make whatever change
• 45:22
  needed to be made for the better of the country.
• 45:25
  It wasn't necessarily just to line his own pockets and to make
• 45:28
  profits when he left. Where's where's Trump's?
• 45:31
  A businessman, We know that, but he's he was a he was a self-made
• 45:35
  businessman. He was a trust fund baby
• 45:37
  businessman, which we talked about.
• 45:39
  Biden is nothing more than riding on the coattails of Obama
• 45:42
  or do you agree with that or not?
• 45:44
  He's a moron. It's, it's.
• 45:45
  He has. He's.
• 45:46
  Not in touch with this, right? But he because he's not in touch
• 45:49
  with the world at all. You look at his stuff that his
• 45:52
  staff posts, he's got 50% dimension.
• 45:55
  Dude, he don't even know where he's at.
• 45:59
  Which proves the. President means nothing when you
• 46:04
  exactly it's. Run by Congress and Senate.
• 46:06
  We need a 45 year old, somebody with with with a very creative
• 46:12
  mind that understands how politicians and politics work.
• 46:16
  We couldn't agree with the people.
• 46:17
  Not to the advantage of. Those, and then you have to go
• 46:21
  back to the term limits of the Senate in Congress.
• 46:23
  They need that shit needs to be stopped after two or three
• 46:25
  terms. You can't be present more than
• 46:27
  eight years, but you can live in the Senate, in the Congress,
• 46:29
  until the day you die once A that's bullshit.
• 46:31
  That's the other. Thing that's wrong with the.
• 46:33
  Country, right. That's the other thing that's
• 46:35
  wrong with the country is is there gonna be term limits on
• 46:38
  all the all the States and and the Congress and the Senate's
• 46:40
  and all that kind of jazz. And he needs somebody young that
• 46:44
  is not afraid to speak his mind, but does so in a very prolific
• 46:48
  way. That's not going to pitch the
• 46:49
  entire world against him and cut it down the line 81,000,000 this
• 46:52
  way, 81,000,000 that way. But then when shit hits the fan,
• 46:58
  you can't. You can protest.
• 46:59
  Everybody can protest. That's our right as humans.
• 47:01
  That's our right of being American.
• 47:03
  We can protest, but you need to protest in a way that is
• 47:06
  peacefully, fair and nonviolent. Exactly like in the 60s.
• 47:11
  The 60s, say what you want about the 60s, man, hear peace and
• 47:13
  love. But lots of things changed in
• 47:15
  the 60s because of of of, I don't know, I want to say
• 47:19
  fruitful protest, but just there was there was protests that were
• 47:23
  meaningful. They knew how to do it.
• 47:26
  And and and. Segregation, right?
• 47:30
  That's what nobody's nobody's teaching anybody that nowadays,
• 47:33
  anywhere. I have a friend like this is the
• 47:35
  chaos that we're building. This is what we're building in
• 47:37
  the world. I have a friend Whose son he was
• 47:40
  in a classroom doing nothing, minding his own business.
• 47:42
  He's he had a little issue with reading.
• 47:44
  He went and asked the teacher question.
• 47:45
  I just found this out yesterday and it blew my mind.
• 47:48
  Reading the reading, asked the teacher question, went back to
• 47:50
  his desk. This bully who's an asshole
• 47:53
  walked up to him, started giving him shit, calling him names.
• 47:56
  Her son said just leave me alone.
• 47:58
  And his buddies had set this up. They filmed it.
• 48:02
  The fucking dude started wailing on him to the point he broke his
• 48:04
  nose and knocked him out. He was 12 desks away and 27 feet
• 48:08
  from his chair while the Marine Corps Reserve teacher in the
• 48:12
  room after he knocked this kid unconscious and turned around to
• 48:16
  walk back to his desk. You heard the teacher call his
• 48:18
  name. What the fuck that goes back?
• 48:22
  To the home. Life that goes right, that goes
• 48:24
  back to home. Life that goes back to the
• 48:26
  parents having to work two jobs and never being home to be able
• 48:29
  to guide their children in the right direction of life.
• 48:31
  I mean, I don't know the whole story behind the other kid, but
• 48:34
  I know the story behind my client and my friend, and she's
• 48:37
  not. She's not someone that is not
• 48:39
  involved and doesn't care and doesn't teach and doesn't mentor
• 48:42
  and raise her children, right? But a bully is a bully because
• 48:46
  nobody's there paying attention to him.
• 48:47
  He's acting out. It's a cry for help.
• 48:49
  It's a cry. It's like suicide, a bully,
• 48:52
  suicide. There's an underlying issue and
• 48:54
  they're doing for help. A bully is a bully.
• 48:57
  Because they're picking on somebody that can't fucking
• 48:59
  defend themselves. I can't stress this enough.
• 49:01
  You, you and I have said you and I, Scott, Rick, we said
• 49:06
  horrible. And I've made this example a
• 49:09
  million times and every friend that's in my circle to this day,
• 49:13
  we have said horrible, horrible things to each other.
• 49:17
  Horrible. Because we can take it.
• 49:20
  We know who we are and that's how we like to have fun, right?
• 49:25
  We can say, hey, quit being a fucking moron, quit being AR
• 49:30
  word. We can say that to each other.
• 49:33
  You don't and I don't have never walked up to a person with Down
• 49:37
  syndrome and said hey, you fucking retard, that's never
• 49:41
  happened. That's not how I was raised.
• 49:44
  And when I say somebody's a bully, that is my point.
• 49:48
  Donald Trump, praise on people who can't defend themselves.
• 49:54
  That doesn't make you a tough guy.
• 49:55
  That makes you an ass. Agreed.
• 49:58
  There's no other way to put it. Absolutely.
• 50:01
  And I. Don't want an asshole?
• 50:02
  Run in my country. If you do, or somebody else
• 50:05
  does, that's their opinion. I have my I'm entitled to my
• 50:08
  opinion. This is our show.
• 50:10
  You're going to get my opinion. You're not always going to agree
• 50:13
  with it. That's fine.
• 50:14
  I want your opinion. I want your opinion, I know you
• 50:17
  do. And The thing is.
• 50:18
  Dude, I'm talking. To the American public.
• 50:20
  In the world at large, you and I agree on a lot of things, and I
• 50:24
  want to go someday. When we got a lot more time you
• 50:27
  and I had. You have no idea how much I
• 50:30
  agree with your view on politics, and maybe that is the
• 50:33
  system. Maybe you say you can only run
• 50:35
  for office from 35 to 65 and that's it and you're fucking
• 50:41
  done. Yeah, you got to go do
• 50:43
  something. Else after, yeah.
• 50:45
  Yeah, because you can't. You can't, right?
• 50:48
  Because you can't. You can't be a president unless
• 50:50
  you're at least, what, 34 years old?
• 50:52
  I think you got to be 35. I think is what it is.
• 50:56
  Yeah, 35 and you got to be U.S. citizen, correct?
• 50:58
  There's no reason why they can't be like, hey, you can't be
• 51:00
  president if you're over 65. If you're over 65, you're
• 51:03
  technically you're retired you're you're you're considered,
• 51:06
  you know you're you're AARP now like fuck off.
• 51:09
  Go and live on a beach. I'm.
• 51:11
  Being generous, dude, running the.
• 51:12
  Country. I'm being generous, I'm saying
• 51:15
  that's. The last time you can run.
• 51:16
  So if that's your first term, you only get one term.
• 51:20
  No, I don't. I I yeah.
• 51:21
  Yeah. Yeah no, I I think, I think cap
• 51:24
  that shit at 60 if you're 60, yeah, 60 years old you can still
• 51:28
  run but if you're if you if you hit 65 during your four years,
• 51:32
  that's it, you're done. You can't get, you can't run for
• 51:34
  re election. I think that's the way you may
• 51:36
  be. Possibly fixed.
• 51:37
  This is such a good conversation and.
• 51:42
  I know you got to go. Do I?
• 51:43
  Got to wrap it up. You got 10 minutes.
• 51:45
  That's something. That I that's something.
• 51:46
  We got to do our thing. We got to do our thing.
• 51:48
  I know that's something I want to.
• 51:49
  Unpack later on. So that'll be a that'll be a
• 51:52
  good topic for later on. Yeah, no, we will.
• 51:55
  I, I but I definitely want to get Do we want to get to our our
• 51:58
  our influences? Do you think we do that in 10
• 52:00
  minutes or should we leave it for the next show?
• 52:02
  No, we can do it. What?
• 52:04
  Guess what? Yeah, we can do it.
• 52:06
  OK. OK, you want me to start with
• 52:09
  mine because I got it pulled up. I don't need mine pulled up.
• 52:14
  So this is Mike. And I's musical.
• 52:16
  Influences that have that that why I Why?
• 52:18
  Because I write everything you know, so I know and you'll tell.
• 52:21
  I write it because when I start reading it.
• 52:23
  So for so first and foremost for me is the doors.
• 52:26
  Because of Jim Morrison's love of poetry, I considered myself a
• 52:30
  poet. So that opened that door for me
• 52:32
  and and when I realized that writing is a form of poetry and
• 52:37
  the way lyrics and rhyming and shit like that, that's just why
• 52:40
  Morrison was like oh Oh yeah, you know that's that kind of
• 52:43
  opened the door to the doors for me because of because of his
• 52:46
  poetry and whatnot. I know you'll agree with this
• 52:49
  Andrew from Mother Love Bone. I loved his showmanship and his
• 52:53
  charisma and his ability to capture the audience in the palm
• 52:55
  of his hand and and no matter what I saw him on, he was
• 53:00
  always, it was always the presence that he had that you
• 53:03
  were drawn to him. Like regardless of what he was
• 53:05
  doing. He was the focal point without
• 53:08
  even being the focal point. You know what I mean?
• 53:10
  That makes sense real quick. You gave?
• 53:12
  Me, an appreciation above and beyond what I already had for
• 53:15
  both those bands, so I'll give you credit for that.
• 53:18
  I did a lot more listening to The Doors and Mother Love Bone
• 53:20
  after I met you for sure. My dad introduced me to The
• 53:23
  Doors. I knew about Mother Love Bone.
• 53:26
  You gave me an appreciation on a whole new level for both those
• 53:29
  bands. So thank you.
• 53:31
  Oh. Right on.
• 53:33
  Yeah. You know, you're welcome.
• 53:35
  And then just kind of an in general, a general influence was
• 53:41
  country music, but it was country music from 75 to like
• 53:45
  808182, because that's what it was always playing in my
• 53:50
  household in the mornings that like, you get up, go to the
• 53:53
  kitchen. That's what she had on the
• 53:54
  radio. KNIXW Steven Martin, one of the
• 53:57
  great disc jockeys that ever graced the airwaves.
• 54:01
  It was just that. And then Elvis.
• 54:05
  My one of my first records I ever got for a present was
• 54:08
  Elvis. I still have it.
• 54:09
  It's in my record collection. I should pull it out for next
• 54:11
  show. And it was cool, 'cause it had
• 54:13
  it has songs on it, but actually had interviews with him.
• 54:16
  So that kind of opened up the world to me.
• 54:18
  As far as it's it's holy shit this is, you know, Elvis
• 54:23
  Presley, you know, and and here he is talking on the same record
• 54:26
  that he keep his has songs being played.
• 54:28
  That was kind of cool. The Eagles, the Long Run album
• 54:32
  was my first real introduction to mainstream rock'n'roll with
• 54:35
  harmonies and things like that. That's awesome.
• 54:38
  Absolutely love. Their song in the city, like in
• 54:41
  the city's one of my all times favorite Eagles song?
• 54:42
  A lot of me too. Like what?
• 54:44
  Me too, but I just. I love.
• 54:46
  How it starts with the right Yeah.
• 54:52
  Oh yeah, do that. That's just how I'm with you.
• 54:55
  It's. It's that fucking it's.
• 54:57
  That fucking soul. It's that driving, just oh, if
• 55:01
  you're driving down the road and that.
• 55:02
  Song comes on. You're going 5 miles an hour, 10
• 55:05
  miles an hour faster instantly. And you and you turn it up, man.
• 55:12
  Yeah, so that's kind of the gist of it.
• 55:14
  What? What a lot of my a lot of my
• 55:16
  writing in later years, the music I've listened to were
• 55:20
  those those things. Counting Crows and and Goo Goo
• 55:24
  Dolls, ironically enough, opened up my brain for weird things
• 55:29
  from a standpoint. And that.
• 55:32
  That, yeah. And I think that's what it was
• 55:34
  considered. No matter what I was working on
• 55:38
  the popped of my head if I had that in the background then you
• 55:40
  know all of a sudden the song idea would come in you know and
• 55:44
  and Alice In Chains too. Like when I wrote when I wrote
• 55:47
  nothing man. I was actually running
• 55:51
  scheduling setting up the lights for a play in college and I had
• 55:56
  Alice In Chains playing over the over the the theater music and
• 56:01
  shit. She not.
• 56:01
  I was in the lighting booth and nothing man, just came off my
• 56:04
  hand like it was fucking nothing with Rooster was playing in the
• 56:08
  background and Ralph. Fuck yeah.
• 56:10
  I did a whole little short play about Rooster and and the four
• 56:14
  different the four different personalities of Vietnam veteran
• 56:18
  why that song was playing because if you look into that
• 56:20
  song you can pull out four different angles of of how you
• 56:24
  can look at that and it and yeah, it was cool.
• 56:27
  I got an A in that presentation. So there's that.
• 56:30
  What about you, my friend? All right.
• 56:32
  So. Mine are going to throw you for
• 56:34
  a loop because number #5, for me, I I won't go in anywhere.
• 56:40
  There's no order. But I would not be a guitar
• 56:43
  player if it wasn't for the guy that taught me to play guitar.
• 56:45
  So kudos to Bob Moulton, who saw something in me that I didn't
• 56:50
  see in myself. And I'm going to give him credit
• 56:53
  because I wanted to quit so many times because I never thought
• 56:57
  that I was going to be good. And I don't know what he saw in
• 57:01
  me. And I I guess I've never really
• 57:03
  even talked to him. I probably should hit him up and
• 57:06
  say, hey, what was it? You know, he might not even
• 57:08
  remember. But to have somebody believe in
• 57:10
  me when it when I didn't even believe in myself was amazing.
• 57:13
  So I kept pedaling my bike across town and taking lessons.
• 57:16
  So thank you to him. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be
• 57:20
  half the guitar player I am today.
• 57:21
  So #2 would be the same reason when I moved to Phoenix, I
• 57:27
  wanted to learn how to play the Blues.
• 57:29
  I thought I knew how to play the Blues and this will be a name
• 57:31
  you'll recognize. I started going to the Blue Note
• 57:35
  in Scottsdale and seeing a guy named Chuck Hall who had just
• 57:38
  recently split from the brick wall.
• 57:41
  Used to be Chuck Hall in the brick wall.
• 57:42
  But when I started seeing him, he was his solo band as a three
• 57:46
  piece and I went up one night. I was only 19 when I started
• 57:49
  going there. We'll tell these stories later,
• 57:51
  but I walked up to him all nervous and I was like, dude, I
• 57:55
  really want to learn how to play the Blues and you're fucking
• 57:57
  amazing. I want to take lessons.
• 57:58
  So I'm single handedly responsible for him teaching
• 58:02
  guitar again at that moment in time because he wasn't taking
• 58:05
  students and I just pestered him week after week, so.
• 58:09
  My next one would. Be Yeah, I love.
• 58:13
  Playing the Blues? So my next one would be Jimmy
• 58:16
  Page, just for the simple fact that still now to this day, I
• 58:20
  listen to Led Zeppelin and I hear things that even though
• 58:22
  I've heard every song at least 1000 times, I still hear new
• 58:25
  things. So.
• 58:28
  Next would be Eddie Van. Halen, for sure.
• 58:31
  He redefined. I would say Jimmy Page and Jimi
• 58:34
  Hendrix are tied. I can't leave Hendrix off this
• 58:36
  list, but all three of those are like the Trinity of rock'n'roll,
• 58:42
  Hendrix Van Halen and Jimi Page. Yeah.
• 58:45
  So and then my number one influence which Which You know.
• 58:51
  Would be you, because without you there would have been.
• 58:55
  No, I see that's and and that's the.
• 58:57
  Same because we got to live our. Dream because of each other.
• 59:01
  And that's the thing, I think, the beautiful.
• 59:03
  Thing Yeah, yeah I was yeah. But my sentiments exactly we
• 59:07
  were able to do what we did because we both.
• 59:09
  It's that unique thing. The only the only thing I've
• 59:11
  ever the only, the only band. And I'm not comparing us to this
• 59:15
  band because they were worldwide famous, but in excess.
• 59:17
  If you watch the in excess story, the way Michael Hutchins
• 59:21
  was with, with the rhythm section of the band, which is
• 59:23
  everybody but him, they would give him a song and he would go
• 59:27
  through his notes and he'd find a melody and it would fit.
• 59:30
  I didn't know there was no real history about bands back then.
• 59:34
  We were together. But when I saw that story of
• 59:37
  Michael Hutchins, you know, because Dude was a great
• 59:40
  showmanship, great singer-songwriter.
• 59:42
  But when I saw that scene in the movie, like, holy shit, that's
• 59:46
  exactly how Mike and I used to do what we do.
• 59:48
  He would have a riff and I would have, I'd have my journal and
• 59:51
  then this would fit or that would fit or I'd come into
• 59:53
  practice. He'd be jamming on something and
• 59:55
  I'd, I'd just, something would just roll off my tongue, you
• 59:59
  know, or pen, whatever. Yeah, you used to show.
• 1:00:03
  We just build. Songs like that.
• 1:00:05
  And yeah, Chris used to show up with like.
• 1:00:07
  Folders full of you know, this is before cell phones and iPads,
• 1:00:11
  kids. So he would show up with folders
• 1:00:14
  and notebooks full of song ideas, poems, written word,
• 1:00:20
  idea. I mean, these were volumes of
• 1:00:23
  shit. This wasn't like he showed up
• 1:00:24
  with a legal pad and started writing.
• 1:00:26
  You know, this guy showed up with like a suitcase full of
• 1:00:29
  shit the first time we came to. Practice.
• 1:00:33
  He's like, yeah, I wrote a book and I wrote a couple.
• 1:00:35
  I had the word things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:40
  I still have. I still have.
• 1:00:41
  I have one copy of Waco to my mind left.
• 1:00:44
  I got to find it. I I I tried to get my buddy
• 1:00:46
  Neanderthal. He has a a dat.
• 1:00:50
  So I gave him the data. I got the master and it was it
• 1:00:53
  was so just fucking cluster fucked.
• 1:00:56
  He couldn't pull anything out of it, but I still have.
• 1:00:59
  I still have the cassette tape 1 cassette tape left.
• 1:01:02
  Maybe two that if somehow I could figure out how to get that
• 1:01:04
  downloaded digitally, I think that would be something fucking
• 1:01:07
  bad ass to throw up on on iTunes and just see where it went, you
• 1:01:11
  know? Welcome to my mind.
• 1:01:12
  It was fucking. I love that it captured a it
• 1:01:15
  captured a really cool part in my life when my creative side
• 1:01:19
  was just off the charts. So what's the one that you and I
• 1:01:22
  did? Together in my apartment, it was
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  good. We did one in my 8 track.
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  Studio. When I first put that studio in,
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  I think that's what it was. That's why that sounds really.
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  It was Part 2 of that. Maybe.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Either that or part, either that
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  or Part 2 of it. I've got to find it.
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  I got to find it and I'll get it.
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  I'll get it. I got to figure out how to.
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  I I know you can. Digitally.
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  You can send shit away to Kodak. Now they'll digitally download
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  it into an audio file, you know. So let me try that just to see.
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  My fear is if they lose it because I'm fucked.
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  Yeah. So I finally.
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  Found a place that it's 3:30. Oh, right on.
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  So let me know what? It comes out of that.
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  All right, I know you got to go, bro.
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  So we will let you go. I got to go.
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  I got to go. I hate.
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  Cutting this one off, this was a good conversation.
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  It's all good, right? We're going to do.
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  Another one next week. Thank you for joining us.
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