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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Dalek Invasion of Earth (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back with a blunt penknife.
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The Doctor Who commentary podcast, Dylan.
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Hello, I'm Sofia. Thank goodness.
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The shelter me asking to come around and play with your dolls.
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Like I'm very pleased. You come back for episode 3.
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Anytime I'm ready for my Day of Reckoning.
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It would be honestly. So here we are episode 3 of the
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Dalek invasion of Earth. I'm going to A bit unfair to
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you. Now go on, but something I do
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every now and again, just see that people have, in fact, been
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paying attention. And if you could care to tell
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the viewers, what has occurred in the dark makeup Asian of
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Earth to date often? Well, the Daleks have invaded
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the earth and the doctor & Co landed Susan.
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Unfortunately made a bunch of stuff collapse on the Tardis.
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They all got it is unfortunately there.
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Yeah she is. Unfortunately, there Susan and
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Barbara offer some Rebels. The doctor has narrowly escaped
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being a robo man and I believe is I know the doctors now with
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Susan and David Campbell or David Cameron as he's known in
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the book and and Ians Ian. Stuck in a flying saucer, I
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think, I think he's off to bedfordshire and Barbara and
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Jenny are about to embark on an adventure with Dort, Dortmund,
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dudman Dortmund, whoever wears that.
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But yeah. So they've all been So and it
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things are heating up. But the Daleks killing people,
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I'll just say, well, that was very adeptly done.
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Thank you very much. It was my pleasure.
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I'm gonna say, controversy, I think this might be my favorite
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episode. This is the episode with all the
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location filming of them dashing about London, isn't it?
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Yes, it is. Yeah, so this isn't this is
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absolute belter and I think you can throw around the word iconic
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quite a bit. But yeah, it's really beautiful.
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Stuff. And it's Richard Martin at its
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best because he hasn't got a bunch of cameras in the studio
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today, use. This is very geeky.
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I don't know, they ask this question.
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Do they use the same camera men in the studio as they do on
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location? Like is it other people doing
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the work? I mean, I know that's what I'm
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saying. Yeah I mean I know that
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sometimes when they you'll watch like a DVD extra or something,
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they'll refer to the film camera man.
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So I'm assuming it's a different person with a different type of
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Suppose, it's a different technical, expertise to a
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certain extent so maybe you can do both.
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But I suspect something like the BBC would have the very
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convoluted enough, especially in those days to go know you either
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a videotape cameramen, or you're a film camera.
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I think, in the same breath, they know that these are the
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money shots. You know, we'll toss all the
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budget in that direction. Of course, speak you would know
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anything about that. So I'm not Oh, I've been tossed
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in every different direction. You could possibly think of them
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over. I have you really well, yes, of
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camera then. All right.
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But for now, we should probably head into episode 3.
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If you are ready? Yeah.
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Should I count us in? Yes, please.
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Okay, three, two, one, go Honestly, the first time I've
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ever spoken to you, I feel like I've known you for years.
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It's Kyle, this is great. It's a beginning of a beautiful
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friendship fearlessness to, who is the great unifier, you know,
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I'm starting to think this it is.
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It is, I've got a few mates that I have met exclusively through
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podcasting. Just so the, on the time, Ash
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boys, who I know quite well now and there's another podcast
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called I hate Doctor Who Richie Morgan, who runs that and we met
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through podcasting I met in real life and remain very Pally.
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I mean to make Is very personal. I met my partner Force.
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Yeah. In fact, you can chart the
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history of our relationship from our first meeting on our very
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first commentary together to the last one.
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I brought that's, that's a beautiful thing to have those
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things as long as it doesn't have Charter decline at some
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point your price ten years after his moved out.
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I be crying away. Listening to those.
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Yeah, I'm sure you will live happily ever after.
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Oh, thank you very much. So I do hope that who.
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So poor William Hartnell is out for this.
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Sewed. Yeah what you know why is out it
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got tossed on a ramp or something.
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You did somebody carried him down a ramp and dropped him.
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And he was briefly paralyzed and he continued with the recording
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of this episode of the last episode and then that's have a
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few weeks off, but I never buy that.
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I just think he was probably out on the Lash to be honest.
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I think he had too much champagne from that fortnum and
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Mason's handcuffed but yeah, there for lunch time.
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I tell you what I mean I'm all for a fortnum and Mason's a but
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if I A glass of champagne at lunch.
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You're not getting me back on. Even have one drink tonight.
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Honestly, I see. Now, this is another sequence.
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What's really interesting is again, when the action goes on
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location in this, it's fluid and it's stylish.
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And yet this attack on the saucer and a minute, there's a
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lot of over the dark, you know, over the Darlings, heads shots
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and things like that. And I've been sort of Milling
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around and bumping into each other and That's a very fetching
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balaclava. That's Jenny's got on.
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There's no, he's a reason. She's wearing that.
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It's uh, I think I hadn't been died or something at this point,
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something like that. I say it was not sure you choose
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to wear it and then I'm going to attack a dollar Banks.
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Also I'm going to put my best balaclava Rob.
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So that wasn't it hard. All their going down?
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The ramp I did. I don't know whether it was him
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or whether that was a retake and that was the scene where it was
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carried. Drops.
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And then they were like, well just he's unconscious letter
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drag him quickly down their health and safety makes this
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Batman. Yeah, this a minute ago?
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Yeah, we just saw Tyler stabbed, one of the Rover event today.
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Yeah, it's pretty and he's one of the heroes.
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Yeah, yeah. It's like it's known nonsense.
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Is it? It's like all these people have
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done horrible things to survive. I mean, it's not quite the
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walking dead, but who's better? It certainly varying in that
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direction of like, if you survived this long, you must of
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you've been through some shit. And you've done some dark
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things. I think they're sort of the
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sequence that really gets me. I don't again, I don't think
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it's for excuted and maybe it's not well, acted.
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But on the page and it's the fellow that Ian ends up down the
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mines with when he has to kill his brother.
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Yes, enter over man. And it's a really long sequence
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where was trying to strangle the other the others like stabs him
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to death. The storm like this is pretty
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Grim for doctor and even now I like just this guy going down
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into the sewer. Can't quite get down there gets
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exterminated although he does dice just before the
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extermination effect actually starts.
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But you know, we'll forget that there's a moment coming up where
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the guy that they were locked in the doctor and Ian were locked
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in a cell with its suddenly a robo man and Ian has to do away
7:56
with him. It's like it's Relentless just
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like everybody's having a shit time and they're like, Early on
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the run as well. Yeah, I would serious.
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Like a feeling of Oppression, I think for our.
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Yeah, this is I know there's quite an unpopular opinion that
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I wouldn't like, I would love to see this remade in modern
8:15
Doctor, Who like armor. I'm not so unbearably doctors a
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sacred text and I would, if somebody said we're going to
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remake some old Doctor Who stories with the current team.
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I'll be like, this one must be up there.
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One thing is, they can remake Jubilee as Dalek and if they do
8:32
A human nature as human nature. Yeah.
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Why can't they do classical? Tell you stories?
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Yeah, I mean I'm also someone, but it wouldn't be opposed to a
8:42
page one Doctor Who reboot, but I don't, that's a very unpopular
8:45
opinion. Just start again.
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What do you mean by that? Explain that, I mean an episode
8:53
of series of Doctor Who fan issues and it's the end and then
8:55
there's a new version of Doctor Who but it's just like, it's the
8:59
foot a first doctor whoever that is And that it's the slates
9:03
wiped completely clean. So you can remake on, you can
9:07
remake old stories, or you can do new things with old Concepts.
9:11
But there's no can and there's no history and you just you just
9:14
start again with a character called the doctor who appears on
9:18
Earth or Evers never met. The Daleks has never met Master,
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just start it again, it's pretty enticing, you know, but also I
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always thought that and someone will do it one day.
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It's only not connected until five seasons in somebody goes.
9:34
Absolutely, this was the alternative Universe dr.
9:39
David Tennant, shows up because he has to show up every few
9:42
years. Obviously, the vein would
9:45
explode, like, literally explode.
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No, he would literally become Show run.
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I just eliminated the alternative Universe, you know?
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That's my precious baby. I mean, he lost his shit.
9:59
Adopted who became a woman, didn't a there.
10:01
But still watched every episode of smite saying you all hated it
10:04
all except the old one which he said that was the best thing
10:07
ever. That's what it goes to prove.
10:11
What someone might even love Ben wants and likes about Doc's to
10:15
who when all of a sudden he thought power of the doctor was
10:17
the greatest thing ever just because it had some cameos in
10:20
it. It's like yeah I love power of
10:22
the doctor at a time but I'm a fan of the era as we were saying
10:26
on that the previous episode. But it's interesting that I
10:29
don't think it's the best episode of the era.
10:33
So in terms of critical faculties actually you're not
10:37
judging it by the content. You're judging your to based on
10:39
the fact that it pushed us Nostalgia buttons by bringing
10:42
back Ian Chesterton and Colin Baker or whatever and I don't
10:46
think that's quite the critical factors.
10:48
You should be judging an episode of Doctor Who but do you really
10:52
like my heart swelled when Ian turned up?
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And I love the cat meows and all of that.
10:57
My favorite parts of that work. 13.
11:00
And yes. And the fact that it's alright,
11:03
girl found it again. I don't care.
11:05
The fact that her last act before she died was an act of
11:10
kindness freeing. That's and it reminded me so
11:13
much of it takes you away like facing something amazing.
11:16
And then setting it free into the universe.
11:18
Yeah. Yeah.
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I just thought, I just thought he gauged her exit perfectly, it
11:24
was one of my favorite like new series exits.
11:27
I found quite a few of them to be very overblown and and it
11:29
wasn't really an episode about the speech was there at the end
11:33
just, you know, whoever you're next.
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Let's do it. It was a lovely moment and
11:39
really subtly played and I hope that the people that have been
11:44
very unkind about getting around in a few years time, we'll come
11:46
back to it when it will happen. Yeah.
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And the re-evaluate and realize what, what a breath of fresh air
11:54
that era was but we'll talk about that when we do demons
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indeed. Oh yeah, Dalek invasion of
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Earth. Yeah, this is all right, sir.
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So that's the outdoors here isn't?
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It can just spark conversations that away from the story that
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you're talking about. That's such a breadth of it.
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Now there's so much dr. Who.
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Yeah. And it's a loved one side.
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I'm talking about a page one reboots, but the other side,
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like it's all interlinked. And you know what?
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I'd love to see them. Do something interesting, with
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the robo, man. Now I think I mentioned before
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For they do it in, Dalek Empire, the big finish series, but yeah,
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I just think it's such a horrible concept that much
12:38
better than our bloody hated that thing.
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They did in the Moffett are aware, like a garlic going to
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come out of someone's hand. I stalk out of my head.
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It's like, that's not fair or right up.
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I appreciate there are many fans of that era and I'm so pleased.
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You enjoyed it. I have a lot about it.
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I did enjoy as well, but Yeah yeah I'm a fan of that era but
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there's certain parts of it that don't work for me.
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But again, we digress. So this was because that's not
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been talking about with this robe of that I can't stop saying
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the word file about with it all for God's sakes.
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I call wind and heat. Someone outside was just walking
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along with running away from the Daleks and that road.
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Oh man, just fell on their head. He's gone down the Chute.
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In fact they made That explicit movie.
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Well the crib is goes down the Chute and then they're just sort
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of like jump on to the location that.
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I mean, what what are the, what are the Daleks need all those
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rubber sheets for getting rid of all the Rainbow drops and they
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should be ready to see behind that line.
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Lie says well these sort of bro ruined buildings.
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I like it when they get in the sewers.
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As well. Like it's not contain.
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You think they would because I ain't got any money.
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Containers were a few settings, Ashley it just and this is a
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very Terry Nation thing keeps a Mariners is like, right?
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Every two minutes. We're going to go off somewhere
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else. I don't get.
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Yeah I got the money. We're going to Jungle we're
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going to a nice Tundra. Yeah and this is I think this is
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the bit where you just hear the Daleks exterminate someone
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off-screen. Is that right?
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That's how much better the sound.
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Yeah. And it's not the focus is on
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Caroline for Durant. And this fella, I think David,
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David Campbell Cameron. Let's look at this is a love
14:35
story for the ages. This there to see a one moment.
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They're juggling a fish. The Next Movement been married,
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I know yes. But this is the bit and the guys
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going, you killed my wife, you killed my brother and then they
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just exterminate him. I mean it's a bit obvious but
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it's still kind of scary. I think for kids, you know, with
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the bra. Over there and the mother over
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there in the living room. Yeah.
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Watching this, yeah, it's like it's dark stuff for a Saturday
15:07
tea time in that respect and I really appreciate the efforts.
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They goes to to make this relationship plausible.
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Yeah. Because that's how you are.
15:17
They don't always do that. And I'll tell you, do they
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leader in a trance? Yes.
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Yeah. Like you can kind of believe
15:25
she'd want to stay with him, even if you know, and the
15:28
spin-off media Modell's a bit further into what happens
15:32
between those two. But I just think it's so moving
15:36
as well because she would never leave him, you know?
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And he makes the choice for her. You know, you gotta go.
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I've why you will never leave me.
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He's like I know whether there's a spaceship crash somewhere with
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somebody that's a bit better than you.
15:49
So I'm I do enjoy life in water or London.
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Heli, when she's gone, you know, do you?
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Like my granddaughter, Susan. Come on.
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Some adventures with me. Don't over a naissance now yo,
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isn't it? Oh, yeah.
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He loves her and that big finish recasted and with somebody
16:11
that's but I believe is quite attractive.
16:13
So everybody's like are dodos, are babe, without the say
16:16
something really, really obscene.
16:18
Now, saith all Jack Elena to do was die for dodo to be popular
16:24
one singing our Praises rather enjoyed her.
16:28
She's into Susie, a stick enough.
16:30
It's because a lot of our episodes, don't exist that.
16:33
I just, and the episodes that do exist with the last ones to be
16:36
released on VHS. So it was just kind of like
16:40
every people have just been down on the character because they
16:43
don't know a lot about it. And you know, there are a lot of
16:46
production issues of that time that do affect sir.
16:49
I've got to sort of nightmare scenario of the 13th Doctor.
16:55
Dodo and Mel all traveling together.
16:58
Can you imagine the Assam in that room.
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You can about forever as a spin-off.
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We need to see big finish. Do you work?
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You've got all the actors. Let's go.
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Yeah, that's going. I'm into it.
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It's serious. It's having a nap old.
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Billy Hartnell. I don't actually know that does
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raise the stakes, doesn't it? Yeah, it does.
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It does the doctors Fox because he's nearly robotized and we can
17:24
we can criticize Susan because and I think it's Mostly the
17:29
characterization, occasionally, the performance.
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Yeah, I do really believe that they're related and yet very
17:36
fond of each other. That's a lovely moment.
17:38
Later later on where she's massaging his leg, as he's
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trying to, like, sort of game feeling back in it and again,
17:45
another good that's just another person slaughtered here.
17:49
Another character that we've met briefly in my like always going
17:51
down to the coast. He'll be safe and he's just he's
17:54
gone. We will say that it's Eric's
17:57
award to gets the Paul talks count in but Terry Nation wiped
18:03
out. Most of the population of the
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Earth in the apartment pilot of survivors.
18:07
Yeah, he does see an underground car park in the pile of Blake's
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7. Yeah, very true.
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He does he doesn't dark that whole thing in the first episode
18:16
of Blake's ever marries frame for being a paedophile.
18:19
It's like fucking hell. They really shy away from all of
18:23
that later on. Gann like this suggestion of
18:27
Sexual assault and things like that.
18:31
Here we are with the six episodes are like, this is gonna
18:33
be a serious drama. Yeah, but then Jude, Hudson
18:36
joins us joins the show and it's game over.
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We're here. We are with all the location
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footage for my seen, the Daleks out and about, and this is like,
18:47
five minutes of the dark invasion of it, you could rip
18:49
out and show anybody. Yeah.
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It's just, it's quite interesting as well that they've
18:56
gone for this character, but a wheelchair user as well.
18:58
But I mean, obviously showing The Something's Happened to him
19:02
when were like during the Dalek invasion but they're just
19:05
desperately trying to get across London with him and and lesser
19:09
lesser story, they would have left it behind but you know it's
19:14
they're all struggling to see how the word you.
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You say there is a desperation to this isn't there.
19:21
Yeah, yeah absolutely wow. Let me set the Daleks by
19:25
Parliament, is the lights all great.
19:27
They're just running across a bridge and it's empty if this
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vacant isn't it a 6 a.m. on a Sunday?
19:33
Apparently you can see bosses in some of the shops in the
19:36
background but and when they get when they got stuff our Square
19:40
they acted move on. A lot of homeless people, they
19:42
were sleeping rough there. Those buses that was the Daleks
19:46
were conserving. A bit of energy, you know.
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Yeah the bus I mean, who hasn't gotten it also and you know
19:54
Played out these sets because I'll certainly have, is it just
19:59
me and the music here? Now there's this, there's like
20:05
that crazy militaristic drum beat playing.
20:09
Yeah, the little doll, it marks as well on the on the Lions
20:13
there. It's all and how fast are they
20:16
going with that? Will ya, there's like a paste of
20:18
this. You don't normally having 60s
20:21
Doctor, Who Well, I rainbow, just look, always rubbing.
20:25
It's like they don't have time to build up this speed and
20:28
within the studio before they bump into a wall.
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I think that there we just saw our first High, anger, cat
20:34
camera. Shot there, looking up at the
20:35
three of them. Yeah.
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Oh, that is a doll. Can you say that?
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Dalek salute, the Nazi salute they're doing with their
20:42
plunger? Yeah.
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Boy they plunge is so long in this story.
20:47
It's a bird that has usually shouldn't you do mommy say yeah
20:53
that's all it's have got there. Extra-long plunges out there was
20:56
ever asked me that you know, that sure though they're that
21:01
low angle shot of the Daleks coming towards the edge of the
21:05
steps. That's beautiful.
21:06
Yeah, that's great. There's just a cleanness about
21:11
film camera work, isn't there? Yeah, it's a shame.
21:14
We haven't got more Doctor Who all shot on film from this area.
21:19
I do think that sometimes that's what why Doctor Who has a bit
21:23
more of a bad rap of being a bit hokey and say Star, Trek
21:26
original Star Trek and stuff like that because having that
21:29
mixture of the Enfield. Yeah.
21:31
Well just the videotape look aging worse than the film stuff,
21:36
you know. Like I was watching the Star
21:38
Trek episode today and it was kind of the remastered version
21:42
and the colors popped March, and like he's drunk Trouble with
21:46
Tribbles the other day and I said on that, this is so
21:50
vibrant. Yeah.
21:51
Yeah, it is. And it's just, it's such a shame
21:54
that like, you can still see those things being repeated
21:58
almost. I mean, they were still on
22:00
terrestrial television like in the 90s and the early naughties
22:03
where is Doctor Who repeats really struggled?
22:05
I think to read and really gain any traction past the sort of
22:09
early 90s, but I think it is the fact that they're all shot on
22:12
video tape. But people just don't respond to
22:15
us. Unfortunately, you are as we've
22:18
got headaches, Tales of like, trying to explain to his mother
22:22
that that's video and that's film issue.
22:24
Just as we can see your tea, please.
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Yeah. These vetoed signs that.
22:31
Yeah. Rebels, use them quite
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interesting. I've actually got a courtesy of
22:37
plated, Hickman's, Redbubble, some coasters in the living room
22:40
that have. Got the veto sign on them, and
22:43
Small enough to slip past my girlfriend.
22:45
She doesn't realize it's a doctor who reference!
22:47
Oh Rich! You have to do that.
22:49
Then you have to no. No, it's she's actually fairly
22:52
good but she's parent fairly tolerant of me.
22:56
There's a to do true fans in this house.
22:58
You can't walk anywhere in this out, about rigging office.
23:00
In this to dr. As bloody Daleks evasion of
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poster in the toilet for god sakes.
23:07
What one thing that I do, she wasn't, but we moved in
23:10
together, I own the original Painting of the book cover of
23:15
Shakedown and I was like, that's going in the living room, it's
23:19
not going in the office and she was like, Hey called it looks
23:22
quite Art Deco and sort of your be quite careful.
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What you choose. You know that we've been
23:33
together is, sometimes you share an underwear drawer, Barse.
23:36
Look, those Tom Baker, Underpants are right there.
23:38
My Tasha sorry. I was just eventually one day
23:45
when I get my full sized are like there.
23:47
It will have to live in the living room.
23:48
So would you spend that much money you only on the show, you
23:52
know? Or I'm not hiding that in the
23:56
garage? You know, the the poster at the
24:00
beginning is forbidden to dump bodies and Forbidden Planet in
24:04
London the other day, right? And they've got that on a
24:07
t-shirt. I thought it was over.
24:08
If you wear that and you're not around Doctor, Who fans, he will
24:12
be Very confused. Yeah, it's good.
24:16
Tee shot though. Yeah, I can see why that would
24:19
confuse people It's in the movie.
24:25
I think the bit where Dortmund is killed.
24:29
Yeah, is really horrible. He gets out Leslie and and it's
24:33
fire. Extinguishers going a bit crazy
24:35
and there's like bricks everywhere.
24:37
Yeah. And he kind of like, froze his
24:40
wheel of his wheelchair, doesn't it?
24:41
It's all spins. Yeah, it's really, really
24:45
stoppage here. It's a bit more like the Daleks
24:49
face up enough for this guy and I don't do.
24:51
We even get the effect or is it and his bomb, just sort of
24:54
smokes away. And it's that are, at least
24:57
least, give him like a bomb that kills one of the Daleks or
25:00
something. But it wasn't to be I mean, even
25:04
so do it is kind of pushing home the idea that nobody is safe
25:08
because you kind of think, well, he's more regular so he's gonna
25:11
be all right. We do get an extermination of
25:14
that bad but it wasn't the most convincing fall to the ground.
25:18
Yeah, I think it was one sequence in this TV version
25:21
though, which actually might surpass the movie.
25:26
And that's when Barbara is in the car and she's smashing
25:29
through. Alex bloody?
25:30
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
25:33
It's Very cool. I think we have to wait for next
25:36
week for that, but it is really good.
25:38
When there's the bloody dialect talking to the mannequin.
25:40
I just, I just isn't it? Yes.
25:42
Strange, as this? Yeah, it's very odd.
25:45
Because all the time they've been on this planet, but even
25:49
just, like at the dollars, were, they must be able to distinguish
25:51
between like living matter and plastic Very old, it's not
25:57
scratching your head and go or how the fuck did they invade
26:00
this planet? You know, oh no Hannah whistle.
26:03
Oh, he's looking out for long, he's just shown up.
26:08
Yeah, did I will say though, I always miss it when every Ducks
26:10
Alfred episode 80 him here million as well.
26:13
Like if he and Ducks out I'm like we're really missing like a
26:17
key element and Jaclyn Hill. So basically just not caring
26:21
that Ford uses basely cold season.
26:27
I do like like I loved her in the first episode and I think
26:32
she gets a bits of good stuff in the sensor rights but generally
26:35
she should have been delivered shrieking violence isn't she
26:38
don't mind parts of Marco Polo's?
26:40
Well, that friendships years, Joe.
26:42
That's quite nice too. Yeah, it's just with a maker
26:46
that Perils of Pauline Source query written is and it's it
26:51
wouldn't matter so much if you had some redeeming moments but
26:54
it's like they just never Or anything decent to do like it's
26:59
you do must not let you go. Why would she want to travel
27:02
with the doctor like what she's always gotta get back to the
27:06
ship. You know they're looking and in
27:09
the Romans episode 12 over the bit way where it's like what
27:12
kind of Rome and she just goes, you know, that's what you want
27:16
to say. She's so excited, it's exactly
27:19
that. It's like, why does Susan ever
27:20
leave the ship? She's just wants to get back
27:23
there. I also like wishing about Tegan
27:25
a equal, A lot as well. Yeah, yeah you really need it
27:28
into your companions to want to be there and be having a good
27:31
time and it does in the 80s. It feels like for about four
27:36
years and nobody wants to be in that Tardis at all and you're
27:39
like I can see why it drove some people away.
27:44
That empower, the doctor when taken goes that?
27:46
Yes, I would like to go into the Tardis.
27:49
I was like, God, he wrote that it because that's all she bloody
27:51
wanted to do in the 80s. I don't know.
27:54
Honestly, they're hard as a line in this though.
27:59
It's beautifully judged as well because it means it's setting
28:02
out. The fact that he knows that
28:04
there's some Chemistry Between. Yeah, sit where he says I like I
28:08
can see Something's Cooking. He says yeah when they're making
28:11
the fittest and he plays it really warm.
28:14
It's a really nasty really comes down the ramp.
28:18
There we go, my favorite, there's a fabulous story, you
28:23
know, Nick Evans, who is the campus?
28:26
Contribute to any dogs, Who documentary tells me he's campus
28:30
Christmas and he goes I had this call from from Dickie Martin
28:33
saying no, please come over to talk to who and do 6 episode.
28:36
He's like, all right dick ey don't know what a Dalek is but
28:39
I'll be very happy to come and do some acting for you and then
28:43
he was Scented with the shelves. Like it's quite taken aback.
28:48
Have you ever seen the Jack pit mythmakers?
28:52
Did I hijack a pities? I've had a name but no, I
28:55
haven't. So Jap it was like a zombie and
28:59
a couple of other like tiny little bit Parts.
29:01
But the reason why it's so good is because he's a very bitchy
29:05
Camp individual and he happiest. He used to live the shared
29:10
digg-zacta sticks with William Hartnell during the shooting of
29:13
Doctor Who and he's got some rye told stories of them, just
29:16
scared like William Hartnell hard Drinker and like getting
29:19
into fights with people and perhaps the people that it's one
29:22
of the most fantastic myth makers and well worth a well
29:26
worth trying. King down.
29:27
I can't. Is it all those mythmakers?
29:30
Ron Pride? Now, I think it may very well.
29:33
It's on one of its either on prime or brick box.
29:37
Yeah, I think it's a wonder if you can track it down.
29:40
Honestly, it's one of its one of the ones that you just like
29:45
nobody really knows who this guy is and they just called him a
29:47
few years before his death and just got all these fantastic
29:50
stories. And yeah I mean William Hartnell
29:53
doesn't sound like a, it doesn't come across as a great guy in it
29:56
Herod. Danny.
29:57
Yeah, this is a weird choice now with the ticking bomb and every
30:03
tick, the camera Zooms in is a lazy directory.
30:14
It's like something out of like the 60s Batman, but in the 60s,
30:18
Batman, they're sort of taking the piss a bit, but that was
30:21
like his serious directorial choice to just keep punching in
30:24
and punching in, come rain or shine.
30:27
You are going to have a bomb or a ticking clock and it's
30:30
variations done. It happens at the end of the
30:32
Daleks. You got the time to structure in
30:35
the diet's master players. Yeah.
30:37
There's bombs being handed about in a planet of the Daleks.
30:41
Yeah, the look of it like T Chase.
30:45
Okay, is there a popular choice? Let's play against type, he can
30:52
be having an off day. Many people say that by the
30:56
choice, you know, I don't agree. But why there is a hoot?
31:01
Okay, well to bring today's recording to a climax.
31:05
I am going to head back to Twitter again to see what people
31:10
would like to another try and find an intellectual.
31:13
Quite I fell everyone, I threw you in episode 2 was from the
31:17
comedian's of the Tweet World. Okay?
31:22
Rod who asks was this a fundamental shift in the show?
31:26
The first Returning monster first invasion of the Earth.
31:30
First proper action. Sequences first companion
31:33
departure. How far did this influence?
31:35
What was to come? Yeah.
31:38
I think it's kind of what we're saying about the doctor becoming
31:40
a here earlier as well. It's like, all of a sudden it's
31:43
about his feet as the doctors of Action Hero and has got like a
31:49
mortal enemy essentially like this that you couldn't imagine
31:52
the vord coming back or they weren't going to revisit to
31:55
talk. So you know, it It's but the
31:58
Daleks are, obviously this this great hit to start off.
32:01
And yeah, I think this is really the beginning of like Doctor Who
32:04
was a sort of sci-fi action adventure series on a Saturday
32:06
night. So, yeah, I think this is this
32:09
is almost the template. Yeah, for the Lord invasion of
32:12
Earth. All right.
32:15
Me too me too. Although they terrible.
32:18
Yes, I am Ava tan. What do you mean?
32:23
I'm wearing that bloke on I. Why is your head so much?
32:27
All of a sudden am happy with it.
32:31
Okay, great for summer. Uncle Ben asks what they have
32:35
the other day, you know, is very Charming, Man.
32:38
Have the Daleks killed all of the attractive men in their
32:41
future as part of their plan main question.
32:46
I mean, there aren't a lot of lockers in the Daleks invasion
32:51
of Earth. But then I don't know whether
32:53
I'd be looking my best to if I'd been subjugated by the Daleks
32:56
for many years. So there aren't really very many
32:58
hot been. I don't really have as many hot
33:00
women to be honest. It's a very there aren't many
33:03
people of color either. So, you know, that's not unusual
33:06
in 60s, Doctor Who know felt very true.
33:09
But ya know, there aren't any hot man in the future
33:12
unfortunately. So in the movie they bring in.
33:15
What's the fellows name? He plays David.
33:18
There's an actor, isn't he? Yeah.
33:21
But he's quite handsome in the trailer.
33:23
It says they say his name is like that the man with the look.
33:27
Whoo On find mine. So easy in the year 2150, ad,
33:31
you know, but it's good that they didn't try and marry off,
33:35
Susan to him in the film version with her being 12 or whatever.
33:38
He would have been very awkward. Yes.
33:43
I love Roberto. Be Susan, told me to bring her
33:47
into the main series and forget about this in our, in our reboot
33:52
of Doctor Who, you know, will have to revisit Roberto be, you
33:54
know, older Susan. She isn't Bruce also asked if
33:59
the Daleks chose that complicated escape room puzzle
34:02
to help decide on Robo men. Why does everyone in the sale?
34:05
Get converted, not just the one who solved it.
34:09
Maybe they didn't see exactly what was going on and they
34:11
thought it was a group effort. That's a good hug.
34:15
Yeah that's all I got the Glorious Daniel.
34:19
No I ask. Why does the Dalek at the start
34:22
of the episode as of episode 2 sound like Henry Crumb from the
34:26
goons? I mean they just they often
34:31
sound like a bunch of Camp old men.
34:33
Don't know the Daleks and so they should they should indeed I
34:37
Ki thing. I do one more it David Campbell
34:43
dumpster. In the minute.
34:44
That's all that's left. Lucky I imagined imagine you
34:51
know it's a bit of a kind of assumption but you going to stay
34:54
in this time and be with that person forever.
34:56
You know, like they haven't been on a first date and also dating
35:00
will be rubbish about future. There's no restaurants, there's
35:03
no bars like black where you going.
35:05
It's like oh we're going to cook a fish on a cliff again and then
35:09
they do some interesting stuff. Don't know with extended media
35:13
like it. War of the dark objects, if
35:15
you've ever read that, oh, yeah. That's, that's it.
35:19
Here, isn't it? Oh, and Susan talks about I
35:24
think, David's long dead because she's a Time.
35:26
Lord, obviously, and she's outlived him and she said she
35:30
had to start wearing Prosthetics of to make a look aged because
35:35
she just wasn't aging, which is I miss a lot of my family but
35:40
it's John, peel course is sticky.
35:44
Okay. Well, that Lisa, because asking
35:45
to Susan related questions, right?
35:48
One did Susan find some more robust Footwear.
35:53
She must have done the rebels would have robust Footwear like
35:56
left, right and center, right? That's the main part of being a
35:59
probably. Yeah.
36:01
And when Susan gets a wet fish in the face, why doesn't she
36:05
just meet your prospective lover in the groin?
36:09
I mean, she should do. But it was the 60s and, you
36:11
know, women were It around the face with a fish all the time.
36:15
Apparently. And she actually, finally asked
36:18
a very serious question, which is following on from that
36:20
there's been some debate over whether the doctor would have
36:22
abandoned a grandson. Just as he did, Susan, I'm
36:27
inclined to think that he would have possibly sooner.
36:29
Any thoughts? That's interesting.
36:32
I've never really considered that because you just don't
36:34
think of the doctor having a grandson.
36:37
I mean, I think it depends on the relationship, but I think he
36:40
probably would have but then what the grandson have been The
36:44
shrieking Susan. The that we have probably not.
36:47
No but then you wouldn't you wouldn't have had Maids for an
36:51
alien character, would you? That's true, they've kind of
36:55
position. Those three really well and they
36:56
saw, they were all doing different things plot-wise?
36:59
Oh yeah. I've never thought about it but,
37:03
you know, maybe he, maybe the doctors Graham said what I've
37:06
got slightly more heroic exit and probably wouldn't have been
37:10
abandoned because you male characters didn't get married
37:13
off in the sixties. And seventies, typically
37:15
generally not know, and went off to say earlier about Susan.
37:20
In the first episode gone with that sort of really exotic
37:24
weird. Little bit, sexy, Susan.
37:27
It's so interesting when that it was and But she just like by the
37:32
second episode, even she's just crying and screaming all the
37:36
time. Like that's where the cliché of
37:38
the screaming Doctor Who girl comes from.
37:40
I think a lot of it isn't that first season with Susan, but
37:43
yeah, it would have been a much more interest.
37:45
I mean, she famously said, she thought she was signing up to
37:47
play like an Avengers girl like a on a block when sort of
37:50
character and he/she is just crying and screaming.
37:55
You signed up for this many episodes.
37:57
Join another contract, no way Mike There's more anyway, next
38:03
episode called it's called the end of tomorrow which is a Terry
38:09
Nation classic title. I think it was something that my
38:11
absolute bollocks and I what the hell is the Coronas of the sun?
38:14
All about, or as we have coming up at some point, the waking a
38:18
lie. We don't know who that is.
38:21
Well, maybe we'll discover, it's the sliver.
38:25
Of course he was a good man. Nobody could understand what he
38:30
was saying to say. Only The Darlings have been
38:32
keeping me prisoner as well. He just wanted a hug.
38:37
Well, we're gonna take a little break between God laughs 13 and
38:42
for thank you this week, three and four, but we'll be back soon
38:47
and I can do great. great.