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Wired To Hunt Podcast #88: Our Favorite Hunting Shows, Books, Magazines, Podcasts and More · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number Tannis Show,
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  Speaker 1: we're sharing our favorite hunting shows, books, magazines, podcasts, and
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  Speaker 1: much much more. All right, welcome to the Wire to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here right now in my office. The space
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  Speaker 1: heater is running and I'm still cold because it's like
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  Speaker 1: twelve degrees wind chill outside right now, and I can
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  Speaker 1: just hear the wind like pounding on my windows and
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  Speaker 1: I'm cold. And it's days like this that I kind
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  Speaker 1: of don't want to go outside. Sometimes. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about you, Dan, but sometimes on days like this, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of just want to hybernate during the winter. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm still a hunting freak. What's so funny about that?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Hybernate? No? No, It's like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how you feel about that, And I just I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why every comment I make on this show has
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  Speaker 1: something to do with my kids. And that's true. In
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  Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours, I would rather fight frostbite
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  Speaker 1: than be in my own house. So you would rather
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  Speaker 1: lose a finger to frostbite, and you don't have a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of those to spare. But I'm used to it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I get that. That's funny. I literally would just hear
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  Speaker 1: heard some story. I can't remember what it was, but
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  Speaker 1: something this past week reminded me of you, because it
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  Speaker 1: was like talking about someone losing fingers, and I just
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  Speaker 1: sat there and thought of you and wondered what that
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  Speaker 1: must be like. But I'm gonna we're gonna we're digressing
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  Speaker 1: pretty seriously, pretty quickly. That's the fastest we've ever gone
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  Speaker 1: off topic. That really I didn't even get like the
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  Speaker 1: intro in. So I'll try to make the intro really
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  Speaker 1: short today since I'm hibernating a little bit, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: some of you out there listening are hibernating and not
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  Speaker 1: going outside, maybe to do some of the different deer
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  Speaker 1: hunting chores that you know we should be doing this
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  Speaker 1: time of year, if that's you. I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: about some of the different things that you can still
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  Speaker 1: do to scratch that deer hunting itch while you're inside.
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  Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk through some of our favorite
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting. We're just hunting in general, our favorite shows,
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  Speaker 1: online shows, books, podcasts, resources, basically anything we do to
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  Speaker 1: be entertained or to learn about hunting and deer hunting. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna kind of go through all over dierent recommendations,
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  Speaker 1: talk through all those different things, um, and hopefully leave
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  Speaker 1: you all with a few different new places and resources
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  Speaker 1: to check out over the coming weeks. So that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of game plane. But now that's out the way, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on this past couple of days that it's
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  Speaker 1: got you is such a bad place on the inside,
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  Speaker 1: I'm crying, okay, but my family, you know, and with
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  Speaker 1: kids you get the flu and not just one person
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  Speaker 1: gets it but everybody. So me and my wife were
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  Speaker 1: sharing a toilet last night. Is that like the same
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  Speaker 1: time type of thing or yeah, and that was because
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  Speaker 1: we were puking. I just want to let that know,
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  Speaker 1: you're barfing at the same time. It wasn't like a
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  Speaker 1: sitting on the laftip deal. Yeah, we weren't like spider
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  Speaker 1: swinging to go to the bathroom. Move on anyway, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: A long story short, flu came through our house the
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  Speaker 1: last twenty four hours and just beat our family down.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I just got done changing my son's diaper
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  Speaker 1: and that anyway. Yeah, so last week's been This last
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  Speaker 1: couple of days has been tough, and I haven't been
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  Speaker 1: out to do my deer hunting chores like I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be, so uh yeah, I'm behind. That's brutal, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I am not envious of you. I just got sort
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  Speaker 1: of sick last weekend, just kind of got hit with
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  Speaker 1: a cold, and that was like my first kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing like that for the year. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I just was reminded how crappy that feels. So I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine how bad a flu running through your entire
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  Speaker 1: family must be. That sounds miserable. Yeah, but we shall overcome,
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  Speaker 1: so they say, so, they say. But other than that,
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  Speaker 1: all's well. I guess all. All's good. Man, Just waiting
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  Speaker 1: for this election to get over so I can go
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  Speaker 1: back to regular TV commercials. The what the election? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: The election? Yeah, g aren't aren't you sick of all
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  Speaker 1: the commercials that are on TV? No, I'm immune to
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  Speaker 1: a dude. I don't have cable Oh you son of
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  Speaker 1: a gun. Yeah, I cut the cord purposely just to
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  Speaker 1: avoid all the election, crep. I need to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I really need to do that, and it sucks so
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  Speaker 1: bad Right now. I was at um, we're gone's past
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  Speaker 1: week because you know, we're traveling out west, my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I, and one night we got a hotel, um
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  Speaker 1: the second last night of the trip. Otherwise we're camping,
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  Speaker 1: but the second last night we got a hotel, and
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  Speaker 1: so there was a TV. Obviously, so it's kind of luxury.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, we usually don't watch cable, so we popped
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  Speaker 1: it on, and very quickly I was reminded why I
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  Speaker 1: don't miss it between political ads, political commentary, and like
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  Speaker 1: the Weather Channel talking NonStop about the storm and like
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  Speaker 1: over dramatizing the big snowstorm like crazy. Like there was
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  Speaker 1: a guy on there who, for twelve minutes, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure it's about twelve minutes, tried to demonstrate how to
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  Speaker 1: shovel snow and talked about it and dragged it on
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  Speaker 1: for that long. It was the most ridiculous thing I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen. Okay, Randy, we got twelve minutes to fill.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about shoveling snow. That's exactly what it was.
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  Speaker 1: And then he so he's demonstrating proper warm, demonstrating how
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  Speaker 1: to make sure you get it down low enough, how
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  Speaker 1: to hold it. Then he talked about his preference in
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  Speaker 1: different types of snow shovels, and then somehow he got
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  Speaker 1: into like the story of how he used to shovel
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  Speaker 1: the snow for some lady back when he was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: and how she gave him fifty cents a day and
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  Speaker 1: how he used that to save up money to buy
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  Speaker 1: some crap. And it was like, it was the kind
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  Speaker 1: of horrible storytelling like you hear on the Wired hun podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It was bad. It was that bad. That's terrible. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know. So it's national television too, Yeah, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: not missing it. I still you see stuff online, but
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  Speaker 1: at least I don't need to hear the talking heads.
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  Speaker 1: And like you said, the commercials, it's bad. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: just over it already. It's not even like the final
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's only a couple of places to escape.
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  Speaker 1: And I find myself watching Nickelodeon because there they don't
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  Speaker 1: have as many of the political ads. Is there anything
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  Speaker 1: good on Nick Gloding? Yeah, Paul Patrol blazeing the monster machines.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you really want me to keep going?
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  Speaker 1: I think I might start a podcast just on cartoons.
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  Speaker 1: I bet you that'd be way more successful than the
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  Speaker 1: Nine Finger Chronicles. Just kidding. It would be more successful
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  Speaker 1: than this one, that's for sure. Uh. Yeah, I can't relate,
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  Speaker 1: but someday, I guess I probably. Well, there's a whole
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  Speaker 1: like new generation of kids shows and movies that I'm
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  Speaker 1: just totally close about. That. Yeah, I suppose I'm starting
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  Speaker 1: to learn about it, and I learned that it's hilarious
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  Speaker 1: because they are starting to go into adult jokes, but
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  Speaker 1: subtle adult jokes. There's there's just one cartoon that my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: she's laughing hysterically. I come upstairs and this family their
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  Speaker 1: favorite meal is to eat burritos, and they sit there
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  Speaker 1: and fart for like five minutes straight. And my daughter
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  Speaker 1: laughs about, Oh, they fought and they foughted. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: would that, Yeah, laughed. I laughed at it too. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, is this what we want our
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  Speaker 1: kids to watch? And seriously, the dumbing down of our
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  Speaker 1: society is starting at a very young age, very young age. So,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of dumbing down in TV shows and stuff, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think about today's that topic? Dan, Hey, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what, Uh I do. I do my fair
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  Speaker 1: share of consuming entertainment slash educational, I guess slash background
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  Speaker 1: noise for you know, hunting podcasts and web shows and
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  Speaker 1: TV shows, and I do a little reading as well.
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  Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's something that consumes our time for
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  Speaker 1: for us freaks out there. I guess, yeah, that's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: And I was I was thinking, here, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: might be this might be a really bad idea, given
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we're about to share all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: different shows and books and podcasts and websites and things
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  Speaker 1: that people can go check out. Um, since we're basically
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  Speaker 1: recommending all of our competition for people to check hunt.
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  Speaker 1: But let me let me clarify something. The Wired to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast is the best podcast on the internet. So
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  Speaker 1: so the people who are listening to that this when
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  Speaker 1: we say we go to these other places, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a it's a recommendation. It's not mandatory, like the Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast is right right right. And so with
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  Speaker 1: that said, that's gonna be the end of the show today.
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  Speaker 1: That's all we wanted to cover. Have a good week
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  Speaker 1: and stay Wired to Hunt. No at all seriousness. There's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of good stuff out there, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully what we're doing here at Wired to Hunt and
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  Speaker 1: with your stuff at nine Fair Chronicles, hopefully everyone you
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  Speaker 1: know finds that helpful. But we are not the only
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  Speaker 1: show on on the road here, So I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: kind of share all the different stuff that we like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just like you said, we're we're freaks a
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  Speaker 1: by all this stuff. And I'm constantly consuming different media.
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  Speaker 1: I mean everything from print to digital to TV too,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I mean if I'm not outside doing stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I'm usually reading or watching or hearing something about hunting
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  Speaker 1: or deer. Um. That's that's our life, right. So so
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  Speaker 1: I always, like, I always get really excited when I
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  Speaker 1: get new recommendations about books or whatever it might be, um,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm always trying to find the next thing and
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  Speaker 1: look into discover something new that I'm excited about. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought, heck, why not, why don't we offer some
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  Speaker 1: recommendations since we've got I think a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: things that we've been checking out. So do, uh, do
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  Speaker 1: you have a certain category, Dan that you want to
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  Speaker 1: start with of all the different types of stuff? Because
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking maybe we go category about category and
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  Speaker 1: then just kind of walk through some of our favor
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  Speaker 1: favorite things, talk about it, argue about it, talk about
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  Speaker 1: why our opinions sucker or don't. But actually, Dan, before
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  Speaker 1: you answer that, how about we take a real quick
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  Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsors of this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Sick of Gear, and today I wanted to hear from
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  Speaker 1: Sick of Product category leader Dennis Suck about the importance
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  Speaker 1: of properly fitting hunting gear. Over recent years, companies like
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  Speaker 1: Sick and others have put a real new attention to
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  Speaker 1: detail and fit when it comes to hunting apparel. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious, you know, why is this
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  Speaker 1: so important and what should we be thinking about on
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  Speaker 1: this front when we're choosing our own new gear. So
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  Speaker 1: here's Dennis, Yeah, and and fits a huge conversation. You know.
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  Speaker 1: A little funny part is, you know when we started
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  Speaker 1: looking at our white Tail collection coming here in fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we had a group of guys out in
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  Speaker 1: Illinois who we work with quite a bit, and there's
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  Speaker 1: seventeen of them. In fact, we measured them. When we
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  Speaker 1: asked them is is what do you think you were?
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  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is is the size ranges were
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  Speaker 1: all over the map because of what you described, they've
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  Speaker 1: they've experienced, you know, whether I buy from this brand
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  Speaker 1: or that brand, just nothing's consistent. You know, So first
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  Speaker 1: of all, understanding that that's probably true, and it's probably
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  Speaker 1: good to measure your stuff and know what size you are.
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  Speaker 1: So UM for us, when we think about fit, we
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  Speaker 1: think about where does it follow in our systems? You know,
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  Speaker 1: is it a next to skin product, is it a
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  Speaker 1: base layer, is it mid layer? Um? Is it out
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  Speaker 1: of where am I planning the stack on top of it?
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  Speaker 1: Or really, given where's position in my line, am I
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  Speaker 1: not planning the stack on top of it? You know?
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  Speaker 1: So if you you know, if you're if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at a jacket and you're thinking, well, I want to
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  Speaker 1: wear a bass layer. I'm gonna wear a you know,
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  Speaker 1: a puffy underneath this or an insulation layer, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: buying from Sitka and I wear a large, maybe I
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  Speaker 1: should buy an extra large. Well know that we've thought
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  Speaker 1: about that, so we we've taken that into the consideration
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  Speaker 1: in our sizing. UM. We also you know, the athletic
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  Speaker 1: fits and our some of our you know, if you're
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  Speaker 1: buying our mountain equipment, type of stuff. You know, because
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  Speaker 1: of the nature of what you're doing, that may be
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  Speaker 1: more of an athletic fit. Were in white tail, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where you need a little bit more you know, range
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  Speaker 1: of motion, or you know it's more about sitting comfortably
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  Speaker 1: for a long time, just sedentary. You know, that's maybe
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  Speaker 1: more of a relax fit. So we absolutely think a
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  Speaker 1: lot about fit UM full acknowledgement that it's as an
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  Speaker 1: as a hunting industry probably you know, all over the place,
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  Speaker 1: but we try to be very consistent here and if
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  Speaker 1: you buy a large in one category, you can buy
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  Speaker 1: it in another. UM And we've tried to think about
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  Speaker 1: the layering process. So if you'd like to learn more
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  Speaker 1: about Sick of Gears layering systems, you can visit sick
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  Speaker 1: of gear dot com. And now, Dan, where do you
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  Speaker 1: think we should start with this conversation? Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if we're gonna you might as well just start right
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  Speaker 1: at the at the beginning and go with I guess
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  Speaker 1: TV and web shows that that would kind of fall
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  Speaker 1: under one category one't it? Yeah? I think so. Um So,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a favorite, Well, like, here's here's the
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  Speaker 1: first question. Do you watch more hunting video content on
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  Speaker 1: your TV, like on cable TV or online in some way. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, Uh, it's probably close to um,
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  Speaker 1: the only time I really watched. I do watch TV shows,
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  Speaker 1: but it's while i'm doing something else. So typically, whether
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  Speaker 1: I'm writing a blog or editing a podcast, or or
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  Speaker 1: you know, answering emails or doing some research on products,
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  Speaker 1: I am in the background. I have hunting shows on,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not that I really focus on them, because
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you later on I'll give you my opinion
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  Speaker 1: on some of these shows. But but when I sit
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  Speaker 1: down and I actually consume the television shows and really
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  Speaker 1: let it soak in, I'd say not as much as
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  Speaker 1: the online stuff. Yeah, yeah, I definitely. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: I think that's becoming the trend. Like the majority of
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  Speaker 1: people are going more and more that way. I mean
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  Speaker 1: more the more I hear from people, I've pulled actually
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  Speaker 1: our audience on on our Facebook page and everything to
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  Speaker 1: see you know, how many of you listen to eat
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  Speaker 1: either or which one do you watch more? And um,
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  Speaker 1: last time we checked on Facebook, the vast majority of
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  Speaker 1: people said they watch online more than TV now, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is a pretty big paradigm shift. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure that a lot of the TV shows and networks
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  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I think most people know it's coming,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure people are moving on it fast enough. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know from what I see. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit biased to digital, I'll admit that,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean that's where things are going. You know. Well,
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  Speaker 1: historically the hunting industry has been an old a good
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  Speaker 1: old boys club, so to speak, and they've always been
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  Speaker 1: just a step or two behind when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: changing you know, advertising or or you know, changing marketing
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  Speaker 1: through television or or that kind of thing. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: across all whether it's advertising or just where you're putting
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  Speaker 1: your content or where you're spending your time. But but
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's that's definitely not a rule. There's certainly
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  Speaker 1: are There are a lot of different people out there
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  Speaker 1: that are creating stuff and and and moving towards where
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  Speaker 1: people's attention is moving. There's a lot of smart people
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  Speaker 1: out there. They're doing really good stuff. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say that you know, everyone out there on
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  Speaker 1: TV doesn't know what they're doing, because there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great stuff right So right, Um, but yeah, for me,
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  Speaker 1: like we just mentioned a second ago of everything I
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  Speaker 1: watch now is digital. Um. I still buy a couple
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  Speaker 1: DVDs every year because I like to take them on
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  Speaker 1: my rut trips or different trips to me and my
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  Speaker 1: buddies go out of state when we stay at some
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  Speaker 1: dingy hotel room and will just pop into DVD. But
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  Speaker 1: other than that, you know, everything else is is digital
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  Speaker 1: for me. So because of that, I'm a little bit
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  Speaker 1: behind probably on some current TV shows. To be honest,
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  Speaker 1: Like I back when I used to have cable, I
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  Speaker 1: used to watch a lot of hunting shows. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know what, we can talk about our
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  Speaker 1: opinions on that, um. But but now I'm not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not checking that as often. I kind of like follow
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  Speaker 1: what people say about it online and stuff, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not watching. Like I haven't seen the most recent episodes
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  Speaker 1: of basically any TV show now, So you might need
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  Speaker 1: to fill me in on some of those things. UM,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know, do you. Let's talk about it
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  Speaker 1: hunting TV shows. We we've kind of bounced around this
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  Speaker 1: topic before and past episodes, but let's just confront it
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  Speaker 1: face on. How do you feel about them? Hunting kit
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  Speaker 1: television shows my personal opinion and is from an entertainment standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: I feel it's entertaining. You can sit there, you can
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  Speaker 1: watch a big bucket slammed, and you go home. But
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  Speaker 1: how how the hunting, How these hunting television shows perceives
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: perceived hunting is way different than I feel of of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the other hunters out there seeming how it's representing hunting,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: how it's representing And what I mean by that is
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a majority of these shows. And I'm not saying all shows,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying a majority show up to an outfitter,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: walk into a stand that they've they've never hung, uh,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you know, property, they've never scouted. They sit in a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: stand because the outfit fitter told them to, and they
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: kill a deer. I don't know about you, but I
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: don't that's not how I hunt. An experience to that one. Yeah,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I've never used an outfitter. I can't afford I can't
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: afford it. I can't afford property to lease land, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I can't afford uh to purchase my own land. So
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: there's three strikes right there against the way I hunt. Uh.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And it's very hard for me to sit there and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: not only relate to them, but try to take something
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: away from the show, because when you add the commercials,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it's twenty two minutes. In my opinion, you can't tell
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a story in twenty two minutes if you want it
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to be educational, right, So it just and I've seen it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm kind of I don't know.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to say underground or
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: kind of a rebel against the whole thing. I just
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I did, you're so hardcore? I did, I'm hardcore? Did,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But you know, I just I don't know. I just don't.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I don't get it what I love about the shows
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: any I'll get into the ones. I like, what's what's
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: your opinion on it? Well, I'm gonna play Devil's advocat
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit because I agree with most of what
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you're saying to um, But what I will say is right.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You know, A popular complaint that we make sometimes and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people make sometimes, just like you said,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is you know, what you see on TV isn't realistic
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: for most people. And a lot of these guys are
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: just with an outfitter and blah blah blah blah, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: they make it look super easy. And they make everyone
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: think that it's easy, and then when we don't actually
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: live that out, people are disappointed. Um So I definitely
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: agree with a lot of that sentiment. I can relate
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to that personally. At the same time, it's kind of
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: like kind of like McDonald's in that, um, McDonald's is
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: making what the people want, and that even though it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: not good for us, I'm still you know, some of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: us are still going to McDonald's and we're still getting
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: our large fries and our big mac and all that stuff.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And it's maybe not right for me to sue McDonald's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: for making me fat if I just keep on eating it,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's one of those things
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that people, for whatever reason, most of us, those people
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: get pretty geeked when we see big Bucks on TV.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like our fantasy time. It's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: our aspiration time. And I just don't know. Now, maybe
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: maybe in a perfect world, I wish that, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: there'd be a hunting show where it shows the whole
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: real life story of stuff and you never kill anything
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: except around one episode, you know, and it's a disaster
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: all the rest of the season, and you're frustrated and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you're tired and you're cold, and man, that's the real stuff.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: But would that actually get people consistently watched all the time,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and when people actually get pumped about that TV show
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and what advertisers sponsor that TV show and all that
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I mean, I don't know if you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: know that would actually work for a lot of people.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, as I'm trying to play Devil's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: advocate for myself, I kind of get why some of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: these shows are like that because people keep watching them.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like, even though I can't relate to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Lee and Tiffany or whatever because I don't have so
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: many thousand acres and all that kind of stuff, you
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: still kind of like seeing big deer and you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to sit there and dream man to be sweet to
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: have that farm. Um. So you know, I see it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: from both both sides of the coin um. And I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: not sitting here trying to hate on these quote unquote celebrities.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: But when you shoot a deer and the like, here's
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: here's another pet peeve of mine. You shoot a deer
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and the first thing that comes out of your mouth
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: mouth is thanking the outfitter or thanking some product or something.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I can tell you right now. Let's be let's be
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: cleared in. There's no way they would have killed that
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: deer without the acorn cruncher was black crack. It almost
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: makes me sick because knowing that in the back of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: their head, they they're thinking about and maybe me and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you are purists, but they're thinking about something else other
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: than the kill. You know, they draw back and they're like, Okay,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: let's shoot him, and then I gotta make sure I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: say this, So, where's that enjoyment, where's the you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's like they're so focused on trying to promote something
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: instead of enjoying the hunt in the kill that to me,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it just loses everything, It loses the power. Yeah, there's
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: certainly there certainly are some instances where it's pretty phony.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It's obviously contrived or overdramatized, not real and uh yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: like you said, for me, that's a turn off. Um.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And there's like there was a DVD I bought recently,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: um that I bought it. I've bought this stev like
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: this Stevie that comes out every year for a long time,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and um, this year, for whatever reason, I just noticed
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it seemed like every single hunt was an outfitter, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like it was just like over and over and over
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and over and over. There wasn't any you know, d
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I y hunts, or wasn't anyone who was doing things
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: on their own farm. It's just like overwhelming, and like
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: what you just said, the fact that the first thing
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: they say is they think they're outfitter and they think
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: their bow sponsor or whatever it is, like it just
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: got to be too much for me, and I just
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: like I didn't even finish. I was like, I'm just
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I think I'm done with this. Like, like you said,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it's a big turn off. So I you know, I'm
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: not trying to hate on anyone in particular, but there's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: some of this stuff that if it turns you and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: me off, it probably turns off a lot of other
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: guys who, you know, if anyone should be forgiving of it,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: probably you and I should be because we're you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: involved in the in the quote unquote industry a little bit,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and so if we get irritated by I can't imagine
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: how people who you know totally aren't in it would
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: feel too, you know, right, But you know, don't get
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: me wrong, there's still a lot of shows out there
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that I find interesting, and I'll just name I'll just
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: name a couple here, Anything, d I Y. So there's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a guy named Solo Early. He does a show called
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Solo Hunter. I think it's called timber KNT, right, yeah,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I think. So he goes out, throws up a tent,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and he does what me and you did out in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the Elk Woods. He sat in a tent with another
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: man while it rained. All that. Now he's by himself.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: He's by himself. He doesn't have a partner, so way
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: less weird than what you get. Way less weird. There's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: no uncomfortab situations in his in his tent continue. But
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you know, he he's he self films everything he goes out.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: He you know, tries to get awesome camera angles of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: these animals that he's shooting. And it's just it's relatable
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: because you get to see how hard it can be sometimes, yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: which we can definitely relate to anything. So anything d
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I Y. You know, um, the the other person that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I really like watching. And maybe it's because when I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: when I grew up, me and my dad every Sunday
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: night would watch National Geographics and uh, it was this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: awesome show that was on Sunday nights right before you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: we'd sit down with some popcorn and watch this and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it was different places in the world are going to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: ocean exploration now. Uh. Jim Shocky his show, his new show,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: what's it called Uncharted? Uncharted where he goes to random
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: places in the world. And it's not just the kind
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of random places. You know, when we think, uh and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: out of country hunt, we think Africa. Right, most of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the time we're thinking Africa, and these guys are sitting
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: at a watering hole and they're just waiting that That's
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: not what really I see this show. This show is
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: about culture, you know of and that's why the show
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: is an hour long. But it's about culture. He shows
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the culture of the people of the area where he's hunting.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: He's showing, you know, the path up this fourteen thousand
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: foot mountain to hunt of sheep that only lives in
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: this particular area of Afghani, standard Nepal or wherever whatever
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: country he's in. You know, it shows the the hard
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: work and it actually takes to just plan and get
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to it, you know, not just the hunt itself, but
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: there's an entire process that leads up to getting on
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the plane. A lot about that one, And how said,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like focus on the culture and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the adventure and everything, which sounds pretty cool. Yeah, so
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: anything adventure, I mean, I love that stuff. As far
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: as those are two that stick out to me nice, Yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: those are those are two that like. I haven't seen
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the Charter, but I've heard a lot about it. And
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I have seen some Solar Hunter Solo Hunter earlier, earlier
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: seasons when I was still watching TV, and they've got
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: some stuff on YouTube I've watched too. Um, another couple
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: shows I really like. Um, I've always been a big
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: fan of Heartland, bow Hunter, those guys. I think they
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: really kind of kicked off this revolution and like higher
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: production value video when it comes to TV shows, you know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: five six, seven years ago. Um, and they've always done
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a really good job with a storytelling. I always thought
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I liked it because like when I first started my
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: full time job back in the fall two thousand nine,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I got shipped out to our headquarters in San Francisco,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: as you know, and so I was out there during
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a hunting season. I couldn't do anything. So one of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the things I did was I discovered Heartland Bow Hunter.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: They have their episodes online, and so I started watching
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: those and like, I kind of just live vicariously through
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: those stories since I couldn't go outside of do anything.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So ever since then, I've always been a big fan
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: of fan of what they've been doing because I just
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: think they take, like the the visual they took, they
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: take all the production and storytelling stuff really seriously. It
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: makes it makes it better when you have good editing
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in good production value. It makes it better period. Oh yeah, dramatically.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And Luckily since then a lot more shows have been
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: taking things up a notch, so that's good. Um. My
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: other show that I really like a lot is Meat
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Either with Stephen Ronnella. I'm a big Ronnella fan, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I always enjoy his focus on again the landscapes, the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: scenery of the story, the adventure, and lots of times
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: he doesn't kill anything, but he's always talking about, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: interesting things. I enjoy his the educational intellectual side of
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of things he discusses, and then also the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: focus on food, which is super important. So like the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Meat Eater show, which you can also download those episodes online. Um,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you can get that meat eater dot vhex or something
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like that. Um. I haven't watched many of the recent shows,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but some of the older I enjoyed the jury stuff.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You know, we've we've enjoyed having Terry and Mark on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the show. Um. So you know our episode with Mark
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and Terry, but they were incredible, right, We learned a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: ton um. So I've always enjoyed how the two of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: them especially always seemed to just kind of offer a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: little bit of insight before a lot of their hunts.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And they do a pretty good job with their stories
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and stuff too. So those are some of the TV
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: shows that I've enjoyed in the past. Um, have you
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: seen the Juries show thirteen? Have you seen that one yet? Yep,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. Um kind of goes what it kind
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of goes through. They break down thirteen categories based on
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the White Tailed Year. Yeah, the phases of the of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the yeah yeah, and and Mark explained those in our
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: inner interview with him on episode sixty three. Um, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I thought they did a good job of that. Um.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And they do a nice mix of you know, sharing
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: theres apperiences and stuff with good hunts and you know
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that's a situation where they've got these incredible farms an
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: incredible deer. But they make it relatable in at least
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that they share some of the stuff that goes on.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: It's not like they just showed up at a farm
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and kill the deer the first day. So I like that, right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: The good thing about that is it's their farm. They're
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: doing the work on it, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it's not like they're going to an outfitter every time. Now,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: they probably do do do. I haven't watched a lot
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of the dreary stuff, but especially on TV, but I'm
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: sure they they do their own work on their own farms.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they use outfitter. I know they use outfitters
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: as well. But to see progress and storylines based off
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: previous years, I find that interesting. Yeah, No, I definitely agree.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I love the story, especially if it's like a multi
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: year story, which is one of the things with with
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the juries especially, they've done a really good job of
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it because because you know, in honestly, because they have
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the the opportunity to do so with some of these
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: farms that these deer can get multiple years. But shoot,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: there's been some storylines they've shared, you know, hunting a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: single deer. For having followed or photographed and gotten pictures
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: in footage for three, four or five years, I mean
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that that's pretty cool, and you know, most of us
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: probably won't get to experience something like that, but it's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: kind of fun still to to follow someone who did.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So I've enjoyed that. Um. And then the DVDs from
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the juries those are probably those are the dvd is
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that I still do like to buy or get online
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: because because of that, those same things. The DVDs are
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: pretty good, So I like the Dreury DVDs. UM. As
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: far as TV shows, those are those are the ones
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I found. Know there's a whole lot of other ones
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: out there, um that you know, I'll click into and
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: back when I used to have TV, I click into
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and watch and stuff. Um. A lot of people have
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: interviewed on the podcast. I've got TV shows that are
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: worth checking out. Adam Hayes. I think it's Team two hundred.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I've seen a few other episodes, and you know, anything
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: with Adam Hayes I find pretty fascinating, just because the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: guy is a legend. As far as I'm concerned, um,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: with how he's hunting and killing deer. So that's super interesting. Staying, Um,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: who else whatever? Well, you mentioned Shocky already, we've mentioned
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Hartland bow Hunter. Um, you know, I enjoy it watching
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Lee and Tiffany's show sometimes back in the day, just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: because I can think again to what we said. It's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: just kind of fun dreaming about having a place like that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine hunting spot like that where
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: they're passing booners because they're only three years old. Yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that'd be pretty sweet. That'd be uh be a change
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: of pace for me. Yeah, yeah, that would be that
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: would be pretty cool. So, so there's some interesting ones
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: out there. Um, what about web shows. There's a lot
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of good stuff online when it comes to video content.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Do you watch some of that stuff too? Yeah, I
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: tell you what. Uh Midwest Whitetail and some of my
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: favorite episodes are the tree the tree stand trimming episodes
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: where they're going out into the timber and then they
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: talk about why they're putting a stand in this location
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: in relationship to food plots, betting areas, travel corridorders, pinch
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: points and all that stuff. That's one of the nicest
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: things about the digital format, the online format, is that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you can have an episode like that that you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about people getting bored and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: leaving or whatever. You know, when I think these guys
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: have got a TV show and they've got twenty two
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: minutes and ads, you know, they're kind of forced to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: put in, you know, certain things to try to keep
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: viewers and stuff like that. But with the digital format,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you can have a seven minute episode that's just about
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: triming a tree, and then the next week you could
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: have a twenty minute episode about a deer hunt. The
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: next week they can share five minutes about a food plot.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Um and lots of opportunity for education. Ye so yeah,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I love that. And I think on your little list here,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and one that I consume the most of is carbon TV. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So Carbon TV is is essentially like an online network
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of TV shows and videos and stuff like that for
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: hunting and all sorts of other outdoor recreation. To what
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: shows you watch on carbon TV? Okay, so obviously the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Heartland bull hunter stuff. But the other day I watched
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: PBR Rodeo. I don't know why, but I just I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: got into it and I watched like five or six
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: episodes of bull riding. Is it just bull riding or
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is it like a reality series about the bull riders.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it is or not, but there's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of bull riding. It could be interesting stuff,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: huh yeah, interesting and anything you know, and then anything
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: out west, like stuff that I don't get experienced a lot.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So there's a couple of shows out there that are
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: dedicated to like mountain hunting or elk and sheep. You know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: there's you know, it's coming to that point in my
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: life where it's very there's very slim chance I ever
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: get to go and hunt a big horn sheep, just
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: because of the odds it takes to get drawn in
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: some of these zones. And so I just love watching
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: things that I probably won't ever get to do. Yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it's nice to dream, that's for sure, especially that adventure
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: stuff out West or Alaska or the UK, that kind
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of stuff that I agree. I love that stuff just
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to sit there and think about it, wonder what would
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: be like and just kind of like mountain porn for me. Yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good. But yeah, lots of good stuff on
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Carbon TV. Um Growing Dear TV is a good one,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: especially if you're interested in like management stuff that's with
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Dr Grant Woods, who was a guest on the podcast
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: last year. Um. He does like weekly episodes which are
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: great with showcase like his hunts and then also a
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: lot of detail about his management plans, his habitat work,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: his food, plot work, pritor control everything. UM. So if
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you're looking to learn about management stuff, that's a really
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: good one to watch. UM. And like you said, Midwest
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: White Tail Bill Winky does a great job both with
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: hunts and big deer and stories, but then also education.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I like that. Um. You know, Uh, White Knuckles web
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: show I think has done a really good job over
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the years. And you were involved with that for a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: long time, Dan and I enjoyed your stuff there. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I think John Mulligan or our friend John,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just had an episode released there which is pretty cool.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So good stuff on that front. Uh. Have you seen
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Montana Wild videos Montana Wild, No, I have not. They're
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: doing some cool stuff. You want to watch some Western hunts.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: They do some fly fishing and then a whole bunch
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of different Western hunts. Um. They've got some really cool
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: videos on their YouTube and video channel. I'd recommend that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: they're out of Montana obviously. UM. But They've just got
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a really good style to what they do and good storytelling.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I think more like short films are not like frequent episodes,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: just like handful of films every year. But um, I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: like those, you know what, which bring me to a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: point when you are which, Yeah, whatever you just said
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: sparked an idea in my head and that's why I'm
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: gonna say words right now. Well that's good. That's a
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: good start proceed the short season. Ah yeah, Simon, I
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: don't Yeah, whoever that guy is, uh he that or
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: his corporation or his little production company that that puts
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: those together. I really like those. And the cool thing
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: about that is there's there's a little bit of interviews,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: but a majority of it is just good footage that
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you know, just because there is a video of a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: guy putting up a tree stand, you don't need to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: have a voiceover of a guy putting up a tree stand,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just like they let
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the footage do the talking and it's edited very well.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah he does. They do a very good job, beautiful footage.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a good one the short season. Um.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And also one of the sites I mentioned that I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: was going to mention which showcases a lot of stuff.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Is called hunter VIDs dot com, which is another kind
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of destination site that houses a whole bunch of videos
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and people can submit their videos and stuff. So if
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: you're looking for some different films or shows that are
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: available online, like we said, carbon tv is a good
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: one to discover new ones, and then hunter VIDs dot
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: com is another good one, um to find all out
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of these homes and stuff. Um. Donny Vincent one of
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: our guests on the past episode, He's got a lot
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: of great short films and stuff available online. Um, that's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: definitely worth checking out. Two yeah. Um. Bow Hunter Die
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: is another one our friends that Todd Graff and Justin's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: are do a great job. But that I think. Um,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: so that's at bow hunting dot com. Do you do
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you get to watching of those? Oh yeah, I watch. Uh,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I don't get to watch it as much as I'd like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: but I'm familiar with it and I they do the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: same thing similar to kind of like the Midwest White
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Tail where they go through the entire season, food plots,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: street trimming, everything. Yeah. Yeah, and they put it. They
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: put a lot out. I mean, they do a good job.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It's uh, and it's tough to do that. You know.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I've tried to do frequent web videos and stuff about
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the season, and you know, my little tiny operation here
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: struggles with it. So I know it takes a lot
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of time and energy and people. So so these guys
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like Midwest white Tail Growing, Dear bow Hunter Die, I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: mean mad props to them and what they're doing, that's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: for sure. Um, any other video stuff that that we
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: haven't mentioned it, Dan that you think we should. Any
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: other recommendations, No, I don't. Nothing that pops off right
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: on top of my head. All right. Well, before we
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: move on to the next category, though, we do need
• 38:14
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• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And so this week, as we did last time, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to share a quote from Mr Bear that I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: think will all be able to relate to. So here
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  Speaker 1: one of my finest rewards. I enjoy and become completely
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: immersed in the high challenge and increased opportunity to become,
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  Speaker 1: for a time a part of nature. Deer hunting is
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  Speaker 1: a classical exercise in freedom. It's a return to fundamentals
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that I instinctively feel our basic and right end quote.
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  Speaker 1: back to the show. All right, let's let's move to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: another category. What about books? Do you do you know
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: how to read? Do you read? Asshole? A kid? A kid?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Do you have any I'm a super book nerd, so
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: maybe this is a category from me. But do you
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: have any recommendations on the book front? You know I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: do not. The last time I read any type of
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: book was actually during our Western hunt. And I want
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to tell you what was the one with a guy
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: who headed out west? What was his name? Uh? George
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: byrd Grannell? Ye, George Bird? Canell send me that book
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: when you're done reading it so I can finish it up. Yes,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I did finish as I'll send it to you. That's
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: one of the books I was gonna recommend, so i'd said,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I'll just I'll start off there I'll try to not
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: make this too boring, but I've got a blog post
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and actually had a blog post about our the top
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: recommended online shows and videos and all that kind of stuff.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I'll link to that in this blog post. But also
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: for books, I've got a huge recommended reading list. But
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I thought i'd share a couple of my favorites for
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: any of you readers out there, And like you just mentioned, Dan,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: one of them is called The Last Stand, and it's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the story of the buffalo, the American bison, and George
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Bird Grinnell, who was the original founder and editor of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Forest and Stream magazine which eventually became Field and Stream,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: which obviously we all know today. UM, super interesting story about,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you know, how the whole you know, what happened with
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: buffalo in America, how they were nearly extirpated, how they
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: nearly went extinct, and then how people like George Berg
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Grennell and Teddy Roosevelt and some of these other guys
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: were able to intervene and change a lot of things
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: to allow that species to recover. And all the other
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: big game species now like deer and elk and bears
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and everything else out there. But basically these guys, these
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: hunter conservationists who who've talked about before, Um, they where
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: our forefathers that allow us to now do what we
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: do today. So it was a great book examining that
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: history and um Man super interesting both from a story
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: standpoint and like the history of us as hunters and conservations.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So I'd highly recommend that to anyone who wants to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: better understand, you know, the history of conservation and how
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: we hunters actually you know, are our our ancestors were
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a big part of that. So I'll get you that book, Dan,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: because I think you'll like it. Sweet sweet um. On
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the conservation standpoint, another really good one is The Sand
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: County Almanac by Ela Leopold. This is a book that
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: kind of established a lot of the conservation ethic that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: we still follow today about ecosystems and how hunting can
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: fit into that and and all sorts of stuff. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that's a really good one to read on a conservation standpoint.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Um any of the books by Steven Ronella. We were
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: talked about Ronelle, but he's got three like novels out um,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: well not novels, but three nonfiction books that I really
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: recommended all that kind of cover all Steve's different hunting
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: adventures and things like that, Um, The Scavenger's Guide to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Hot Cuisine, Meat Eater, and The American Buffalo, which is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: another interesting look at the story of buffalo and conservation
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in America, and then his own personal hunt for buffalo.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Those are three really good ones. UM. When we had
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Shane Mahoney on Dan, I don't know if you remember
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: me mentioned this book, but it's a book called The
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Hunter's Heart. That's a really good one. UM. It's a
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: series of different essays and short stories by a whole
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of different people, UM, all about hunting and various
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: topics related to conservation ethics, how we talk about hunting. UM,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of different things. I think we
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: hunters should just be thinking about. Um. That's a really
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: good one. UM. So so those are some good ones
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that are kind of like thinker books, UM, that make
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: you think about hunting and the deferent aspects of it
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: if you just like good stories. Field and Stream released
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: a book like a year or two ago, like the
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Best Hunting Story, His Best American Hunting Stories. I think,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: um that was a fun one. UM. Bill Heavee is
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a writer for Field and Stream. He does like the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: back page column. I don't know if you've ever seen
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: his back page articles, but they're super funny. He's got
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: three books that are really good um as far as
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: like learning about hunting, like educational stuff. Here's something that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: i'd recommend. We had John Eberhardt on the show this
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: past summer, and if you listen to the episode, you
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: know he's got a wealth of information. Well, he co
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: authored three books with his son that that are terrific.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: One was Precision bow Hunting, another one is bow Hunting
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: white Tail's Eberhart Way, and I think another one's Jeez
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Hunting Highly Pressured white Tails or something like that. And
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: then his son Chris wrote one called white Tail Access,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: which is a really cool book that followed his one
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: single hunting season. This is when you would like about
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a lot dan um. It follows his hunting season where
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: he lived out of a van and hunted like all
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: across the country and like did a super cheap like
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: on a shoe string budget. Like he lived in his van.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: He showered with like a bucket of water, he ate
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: cold soup every night, and hunted in Wisconsin and North
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Dakota and Missouri and uh shoot a couple other places,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Michigan a little bit. Um. And then within throughout that story,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: each place he went he went into detail of like
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: how we scouted, how we set up diagrams of where
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: he hung his tree stands. It's like a great story
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and educational. So, um, that's a really good one. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: think I think you should checked that one out. What
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: was the name of that again? White Tail access by
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: by Chris Eberhardt. Um, Jeff Sturgis, we've had him on
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the show a couple of times. Um, you remember him
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: right then? We enjoyed that. He's got three books now.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: He just released his third book, so white Tail Success
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: by design white Tail Food Plots by design and Mature
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Buck Hunting by Designer. Yeah, Mature Buck Success by Designer.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: His three books, those are really good. I'm just starting
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: his third one. Um, I'm gonna I'm not gonna try
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to run through every single book and think of what
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the ebra hard books are great. Craig and Neil Doherty,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: we've had both of them on the show. They have
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: several books that are great. We've had Don Higgins on
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the show. His books are great. Um. And then the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: third one. Have you ever seen the book mapping Trophy Bucks.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I am not. That's when you should check out for sure.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It's by Brad Herndon and basically the whole book is
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: um it's basically all about how various terrain features and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: topography influenced deer movement and how you can set up
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: on that. Um. So there's lots of maps, top all
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: maps and diagrams and all sort of stuff, covers you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: how dear use ridges, how they use funnels, how they
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: use saddles and ridges, all sorts of stuff like that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: So really good detailed book for if you want to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: learn about how dear you use terrain. I want to
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: get Brad on the show someday. UM. So that's a
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: good one too. UM. I've got a million of other recommendations.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here looking at my bookshelf and it's it's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: stacked with books. But I won't run through too many
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of these. But check out the blog post. I'll link
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to it. Our Ultimate, Our Ultimate Recommended Reading Lists for
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: hunters has got tons of books. If you like to read,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: We've got a lot of recommendations for you there. You
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: happen to have anything like white Tail cliff notes, like
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: hunting white Tail cliff notes or Hunting white Tail for
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Dummies that might be right up my alley. Yeah, there's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a couple out there that my phone like category this
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: is a buck, this is a dough that would be
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: helpful when but yeah, those cold books that recommend you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: should definitely check those out, Dan, Um, I think there's
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff out there. Do you read
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: any hunting magazines? Yes? I do? What about those guttny
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you like? Well, I tell you what I grew up on,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: field and stream and outdoor life, mainly outdoor life. Um
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I my favorite. When I was growing up, my dad
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: would get those where my mom would get those magazines
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: for me and uh, I love the cartoon the illustration
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: about uh, something crazy that happened in the woods, like
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: a guy you know, falls out of his canoe on
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a canoe trip and he has to survive until you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: he gets up enough energy to walk, you know, through
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the woods to a road. Or a guy gets attacked
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: by a bear, or a guy shoots. This is my
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: favorite one. I'll always remember it. Guy gets a brand
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: new rifle for Christmas, he goes out, he shoots, uh,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: he shoots a buck. He sets his rifle in the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: rack of the buck steps back to take take a picture.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: When the camera flashed, went off, the buck got up,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: ran away with his rifle in his rack. You know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: those kind of crazy stories. But that's the same. Yeah,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that on top of all the other great content that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Outdoor Life is you know, put out through the decades
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that they've been a magazine. Yeah, they're getting a little
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: bit uh, a little bit lax with their standards of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: who they let in their magazine though, now Dan, oh yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: just anybody can do it. Well, if that Kenyan guy
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: can get in there, it's say, agreed, Agreed, No, I
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I agree with in all seriousness, love what they're doing
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Outdoor Life in Field and Stream Um great, you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy you know, especially the stories, like the
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: adventure stories and great photography, and and then also the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: fact that they do tackle both those magazines tackle some
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of the tougher topics that you know, we like to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: try to talk about here, the conservation or ethics or
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: different things like that that we try to speak speak
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to sometimes that you don't see a whole lot in
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: other magazines. And I think they do a good job
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: of of touching on that. Just the most recent issue
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of Field and Stream and Outdoor Life both both kind
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: of cover stuff like that, like in Field and Stream
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the most recent episode issue. I don't know if if
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you saw the most recent issue or not UM, but
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: there's like a kind of a state of the white
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Tail in the Country again, so covering a whole bunch
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: of things and how things have changed over the last
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: five years, which interestingly, we are going to have hopefully
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: knock on would if if the everything goes it's supposed
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to next week, we are going to have a State
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: of the white Tail report with Kip Adams like we
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: had last year, but we're in due the two thousand
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and sixteen edition now and get all the updates on
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: what's new in the white tail world, so that would
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: be good. But they did kind of a version of
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: that in Field and Stream, which was interesting, and then
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Outdoor Life did a whole feature about the North American
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: model of conservation, the North American Wildlife UM kind of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: conservation ethic, and they cover the seven kind of main
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: principles and we've talked about that with I think with
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Shane Mahoney we talked about that UM. But they're they're
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: kind of examining each one of those different principles and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: then you know maybe how things need to be updated
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit, or what we need to focus on
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: here in the in the nude kind of generation. So
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: that was interesting. We're checking out. Um, do you read
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: any of the deer magazines? I have a subscription into
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: a North American White Tail, you know, fun stories and
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that I love. The big buck stories are kind of cool.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Ye yep. I like North American Whitetail and deer and
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: deer hunting is good. One quality White Tails, the magazine
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: from Qualitier Management Association is really really great if you're
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: interested in the management stuff, habitat improvement, food plotting, um,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you know, aging deer, all that kind of stuff. Great
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: resource for that type of thing too, right. Um, you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: know what magazine I really love That's become like one
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of my favorites. And it's interesting because I only hunt
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: out a week or two a year, But Bogle Magazine,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the magazine produced by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, It's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: like maybe the best hunting related magazine out there over everything.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I'm I think like they just do an awesome job,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: like really great stories, deep deep stories. Um, it's just
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: like really good writing. It's thick, it's full of like
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: lengthy in depth articles that lots of times you don't
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: get in some of the other magazines that I really
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: like it. Um. If you're not a member of the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain of Foundation, it's worth joining just to get
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the magazine. UM. Stuff like that one a lot. Yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: North American Whitetail has been in my mailbox for a
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: while now, and it's it's one of those where not
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: only do you get to see how average Joe's basically
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: or are killing big deer, and it also brings a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: little strategy into it, you know that you know obviously
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the wind direction and the food plots and or you know, hey,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I pulled my truck up to a piece of public land,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: was my first day hunting, and I shot a deer. Yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you definitely do get some of those, ye, But yeah,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's one of those fun, fun ones because for
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the most part, most of those stories are just average
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: guys you know, and their giant deer, so you can
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: kind of it's like a relatable way to German about
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: big deer. I guess, so I like that a lot. Um.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You know, the Peterson's magazines are good. I like those.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Eastman's Western magazines are good. I like those. Um, I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: think those are most of the hunting magazines that I
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: check out. Anything else that that we haven't covered on
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: that front, Oh Man, I know this is a hunting
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: or a deer hunting podcast, But whenever I got Field
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and Stream for some reason when I was in high school,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I loved fishing, and in Field and Stream they had
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: a ton of ways to detailed ways about how to
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: work your reel and rod and and how to you
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: know what structure underneath the water you should be focusing
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: on on different times types of year or a different
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: times a year. And um, I went to Fuel and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Stream a lot for my for my fishing information. Yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: they've got them and out There Life. They both have
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: some good fishing content. I've been getting really into fly
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: fishing recently since I was out west last summer seven,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: buying a bunch of fly fishing magazines too. There's some,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: there's some. They do a great job with photography, I've noticed,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: like the fly fishing magazines have got some of the
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: best photography of anything I've seen out there, just like
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: they've got these full like two page spreads of like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: just unbelievable photos that like just like suck you into
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the environment. I think we need to try to get
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that brought into the hunting world a little bit better
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: because they're they're knocking out of the park. Do you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: when you go out fly fishing? Do you catch fish
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: every day? You catch fish every day? So they got
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: some time too. It's not like deer hunting where you
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: can go walk around the woods and uh take pictures
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: because you scoop the deer. But for fly fishing, if
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you you may have some spare time to take some
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: extra pictures, It's true, that's true. They're definitely worth time.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: It might be just because I'm an awful fly fisherman dance.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: That's definitely possible. So so those are the magazines we've covered,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: shows and videos and books and magazines. What about what
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: about what we're doing right here podcasting? Do you listen
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: to any other hunting related podcasts? Yeah, I tell you,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I've got into the uh um oh hunt talk with
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: what's his name Randy Newberg? Randy Newberg obviously, but on
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the way to the A t A this show, uh
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this year A t A show this year. I probably
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: listened to six j Scott Outdoors podcasts, and although it's
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: very some of them, some of them were very specific
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: on like mule deer in what zone and stuff like
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that that probably doesn't for it was just how they
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: did it and the way they did it that and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they're basically just told a story or you know, about
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: what they did when they went on these hunts or
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: what they're going to do, and it was I find
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I found it pretty interesting. Although it's way out of
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: my element, I found it interesting. And I consumed a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: lot of Jay Scott Outdoors podcast and that's that's all
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Western hunting and fishing, right, ye, Western, Let's see. I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: don't think they even he I don't know if I've
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: ever heard a podcast with him talk about white tales. Yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have either. But uh, but to
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: your point, interesting stuff about elk and mule deer and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: if you want to do Western hunting, that's a good
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: one to check out. Another Western podcast that I've been
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: hearing a lot of good things about is The Gritty Bowman.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: That's supposed to be really good one. I've got to
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: check that out a little bit. Sounds like they're doing
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a good job. Um. And then I agree with you.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy Randy's hunt Talk podcast. That's great. And
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: then um, the Meat Eater podcast from Ronnella of course
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: enjoy his his conversations on there. Those are the two.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Those are the two hunting podcasts that I like listen
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to regularly. Those are the only two hunting podcasts I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: listened to like consistently. I'm gonna always listen to all
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: those episodes. They're just good for Both of those do
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: a really good job of just diving into issues and
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: thinking about different things and just getting in the nuts
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and bolts that they're not necessarily tactic focus. Sometimes they
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about tactic, but mostly it's about
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: a place or a certain issue going on, um or
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, which I enjoy. Yeah. Um, oh what
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: else is out there? The Big Buck Registry is another
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: good deer hunting podcast. They focus primarily in more stories
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: like they bring in someone and they have them share
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: their deer hunting story. Um, but that's a good one. Um.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Michigan out of Doors has been running a podcast recently
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: but which I got to check out, and they're doing
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: a good job. Oh gosh, there's a gear podcast out there.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: There's a deer hunting gear podcast. Um, that kind of
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it's okay. The guy who does it's a huge douche.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he's the worst. He's really the worstst
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: The Nine Finger Chronicles podcast is awesome. That's another good
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: one to check out, right, that's right. It's probably the second.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: It's probably the second most popular podcast period on the Internet,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and primarily because of the interview you did with Quiet
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Cat that I saw just recently. Tell me you got
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: us a free cup Quiet Cat. Oh I did not.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I don't. It's not like a dozen arrows from Easton.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: They can't just they can't just ship me a quiet cast.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I just all I want is like you just leaned
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: over a little tiny quiet cat scooting through the woods.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: That is a vision I want to see. Oh man,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I have to put like a bicycle ringer on it,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: or like a horn on it, bling bling bling bling ling. Yeah,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that'd be good. Yeah, we gotta we gotta do our
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: shameless plugs, right, oh yeah, not unfair Chronicle is great.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And then the other podcast that I run is The
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: White Tail Q and a podcast answering listeners submitted questions.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: So those are definitely too that hopefully right, but hopefully
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: we're doing a good job with us. So the Wired
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, let's see, it's on a different level. It's
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: on a different level. You think it's it's past the stratosphere. Well,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: if I, if you weren't blown smoke on my ass,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: would be pretty happy about that. Oh and the cool
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: thing about this is, I don't know about you, but
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I get emails every single day with guys saying I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: tell you what, and not all of them led to
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: a successful season in them in the means of a kill.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: But hey, they they they say, Dan and Mark, thanks
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: for you know, putting this content out on the podcast
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: with so and so. I got some um got some
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: advice and I implemented that into the woods and it
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: got me close or I got my first buck kill,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: or I got the buck that I was after for
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: three years. Now. You know, one little thing that that
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: they learned on this podcast could help them be successful
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: or get closer. That's that's rewarding. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and all and all honesty. You know, I don't know
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: how the Wired Hunt podcast stacks up compared all the
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: others out there, but I sure I'm thankful that it
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: sounds like you know, like you said, we get tons
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: of messages and reviews and tweets and Facebook messages and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: everything about people that have found it helpful, and that
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: is super cool. I'm just so glad that we can
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: help people out and that people enjoy it and either
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: it's you know, helping someone kill a deer or just
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: helping them get through a long day at work. Um,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: like you said, very rewarding. So so I hope that
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it seems like from what we're hearing, seems
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: like people are enjoying it, and I hope we can
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: continue to to do a good job. So we gotta
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: we gotta step it up, Dan, we gotta keep it going.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: There's no such thing as Plateau's anymore. We have to
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: continually take it to the next level. I agree, Okay, Mark,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. Let's stick to it. So
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I think that covers most of the podcasts that I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: can think of off the top of my head. Anything. Oh,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you know what, I enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast when
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: he has someone on related to hunting. You ever listening
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: to Joe's stuff? Yes, I have, especially like the gym Shocky,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the the Cameron Haynes episodes, those are two that stick out.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I know he's had other hunt is on there, but
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: those are two. I think he had rebby Warren Onto
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: and then he's had like six with with what excuse
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: me with Ronnellalla. Yeah, so yeah, I can think those
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: are the ones I know of Ronella Shocky, Warren Haynes,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, as far as I can think, So
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: those are those are fun to listen to. What about
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: other resources? Are there any other whether it's online or
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: anything else, any other deer hunting or just hunting in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: general resources that you like to check out? Blogs, websites, forums,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: any of that. I tell you I stay away from.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I try to stay away from forums. Um, I've been,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: you know. I used to be a part of Hunting
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Fool on that website where that gave you a whole
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of information on Western like zone stats and success
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: rates and all that stuff, and the forums and that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: there was good information, but obviously it had to pay
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: to get the good stuff. But some of those forums,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: especially you know, I'll just say it archery talk. I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: just feel that if you ask a question there might
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: be a couple of sincere answers, but then they always
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: go off on a tangent and they throw hate towards
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: somebody else's response and it and it quickly goes off
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: of the actual topic. So, and that was just there's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: like two or three examples that I asked. I asked
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: some questions. Um, I know it's not all like that,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: but I just kind of got a sour taste in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: my mouth for my first time experiences. Yeah, I definitely
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: experienced that too. I used to be more engaged on
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: forums back in the day, but I've had a lot
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: of experiences like that where just a lot of people
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: get nasty. Like you said, that's not all the time.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: There's plenty of great forums out there and this good
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: stuff and it can be helpful, but it's a bummer
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: when it just gets into a bunch of trolls yelling
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: at people. Right, And I've got some good information off
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: some of those off some of those sites, but not
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: thing that you know, would want me to continually go back. Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: You know, one forum though that I do actually go
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to to learn stuff and like that I have found
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: consistently positive is dan in Faults for um hunt. I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: think that's just a bunch of hardcore guys, super hardcore. Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: That's luckily you know, I know that we're doing things
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: right here on the word hunt podcast when people from
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast like what we're doing, because those are
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: like hardcore serious hunters, um, and so it's always nice
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: to hear that they're enjoying the podcast. And so that's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: a good one if you if you really want to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: get into some serious d I y stuff and talk
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: about stuff and getting the nitty gritty. Um, there's some
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: cool things on that site. UM. Yeah that's about it
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: for forums for me. Bowinning dot com has got a
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: pretty good forum, UM, but I just don't have as
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: much time for it as I used to. Deer and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Deer Hunting as a forum that I used to be
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: active on back in the day, but again no more
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: time now. UM. I check a lot of different deer
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: hunting blogs, um, you know, because I do the Friday
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: more in a mash up post every Friday, UM where
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I kind of highlight what I think are the top
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: articles from various hunting blogs across the world wide Web.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: So I check a bunch of those, um for like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: conservation stuff. You know, we talked the other day about
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: how it's kind of hard to stay on top of
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: conservation issues, you know. UM. Three blogs that I followed
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to keep up on that stuff, which I highly recommend
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: are the Open Country Blog from Outdoor Life, The Conservationist,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: which is one of the fielding stream blogs, and then
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the TRCP blog from the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership who
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: we talked to with from the other day. Those are
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: three blogs that share a lot of conservation stuff. UM.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: There's some good hunting stuff like hunting articles and tips
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: and stuff on the Antler Geeks website which some of
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: my friends from some of my friends run. UM. Real
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: tree dot com has got some good articles. UM. Cutie
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: may dot com is another one, especially, like I've mentioned before,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: if you suely interested in the habitat and managements of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: the best resources out there for that UM which speaking of,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that Kip's going to be on the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: show here soon to talk about the state of the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: white Tail Union for two thousands sixteen. UM. They just
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: released their two thousand sixteen white Tail Report, which is
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: you gotta check it out if you haven't yet. Dan
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: um incredible resource kind of outlining all the different harvest
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: data from this past year, from the most recent season.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: That stuff's available for and all sorts of different current
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: issues going on with deer um really interesting. You can
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: download that. It's a great pdf you and downland for
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: free from their website. So that's a great resource. Um.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: What else here? Any other sites you follow? Blogs or anything? Um?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: You know? I do occasionally go to the Outdoor life one,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: but that's about it, you know. Um. Jeff Sturgis is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: white Tail Habitat Solutions website is a good one. He's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: got some good articles throughout the year. The post um
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: recommend that. I think those are all main websites and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: resources that I follow. There's a ton and like I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: mentioned the Friday morn mashup, check out where to hunt
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: on Friday. As usually I try to link up as
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: many different articles as I can find there. Um, if
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: you're looking for news sites to follow, that's a good
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: spot to get some some ideas too, So perfect. I
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: don't know man any other any other resources deer hunting
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: crap that you like to follow on a cold, nasty
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: day when you can't go outside. Anything worth getting. I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: think we mentioned a majority of it all, right. I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: think that's about all I've got too, So plus I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: hear my daughter screaming upstairs, so that brings my podcast
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: time to an end. I did do that. I was like,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: all right, Dan's about to have to scoot the house,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: so hopefully I hope this is interesting. We weren't necessarily
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: sharing tips or stories or anything, but you know, some
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: some good resources to check out. So we will have
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: links to as much of the stuff as I can
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: remember on the Wired Hunt blog for this podcast, so
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: be sure to check that out. And uh, otherwise, you know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: if you've been enjoying this show, please do leave a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: rating or review on iTunes. That's a huge help. Uh,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: make sure to check out the two other podcasts we
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: mentioned that Dan and I run the White Tail Q
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: and a podcast in the Nine Finger Chronicles podcast. Um,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: and of course we do need to think our partners
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: who helped make the wire Dump podcast possible, so big
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: thank you too, Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Hunter Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots, and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. And with that, Dan,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna wrap things up. And one final thing, Dan,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm waiting for you to host a podcast. How
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: soon are we gonna do that? When are you going
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: to host an episode? Well, let me get some things
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: set up. I think I know what I want to do. Um,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: it's actually it's not going to be a joke. I'm
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: not gonna get Rick Flair or Haul Cogan on the show,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: although I would like to. I think got I think
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: maybe in March. All right, sweet, I'm looking forward to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I liked the idea you float it out there the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: other day, so if that ends up happening, that's gonna
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: be pretty cool episode. So I think everyone, Um, it'll
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: be fun from the standpoint that you'll be hosting and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I could be lazy, but also it sounds like we'll
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: learn some good stuff too, so it sounds good. All
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: right man, Well, thank you everyone for listening. We appreciate it,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: hopefully as these resources will come in handy for you
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: on some cold days in the future. And until next time,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: have a great week and stay wired to hunt.