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#751 Young Adults Romanticize Socialism, But It Will Fail Them · Claymore: Become Who You Are

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  SPEAKER_00: The most dangerous thing about young people today is that they've been they've grown up in a culture that has inculcated them with ideas that are lies and they cannot see it because that's it's part of their nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a child a a child that's that's grown up in an abusive family.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't recognize that they've been abused.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's normal for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: That seems normal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And somebody who grew up in a loving Christian family, they look at them and say, those people are kind of strange.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Claymore Become Who You Are podcast, a production of the John Paul Two Renewal Center.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Jack Riggert, your host.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm here with a good friend Tom Hampson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thomas, how are you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Good, good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tom is an investigative reporter, a crime reporter, and he was in crime fighting for many, many years, so it's always good to be with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been talking to a lot of young people about why are so many young people enamored with or attracted to socialism, Islam, neo-Marxism.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the day, this is a spiritual battle that we're in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think they realize it, Tom.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that they realize how destructive socialism, neo-Marxism is.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they realize how good they have it, that socialism slash communism, neo-Marxism, Islam.
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  SPEAKER_01: These things have been destructive forces for civilization, for cultures.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the one thing that they have in common, all of these uh uh ideologies is an attack on Christianity.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's always an attack on Christianity, it's always an attack on the church, it's always an attack on the Imago Day, it's an attack on human life, liberty, dignity, freedom.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh with all of that said, Tom, is has communism ever succeeded anywhere in history?
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  SPEAKER_01: Anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, in fact, it's responsible for over a hundred million murders in the last century.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really gruesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I think about this, I think my father, who's still alive today, was in World War II fighting all these ideologies which were incredibly destructive.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had their roots in the French Revolution.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you see what they unleashed, Tom, I mean the guillotine was snapping down on thousands and thousands of people, including uh priests, nuns, and anybody that stood up against this revolution was just chopped down.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're gonna liberate people, free them, uh, and you know, they always have an oppressor and an oppressed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the day, it's the it's the person that gets annihilated, the human person, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the first real communist revolution was in Russia.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the very first the actually the second people they started killing after they killed all the the royalty were their own people.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Bolshevik Revolution, this is when Lenin's coming into power.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh don't forget this was right at the end, about a year left in World War I.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you have exhaustion going on in in Russia and across the world with all these people fighting.
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  SPEAKER_01: The war to end all wars, huh?
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  SPEAKER_01: That didn't end any wars at all, is amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, so here comes communism.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the in the amount of, again, destruction, murder, violence, and and you continually see this going on right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and this was not so long ago, 1917, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not that long at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little over a hundred years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Soviet Union lasted for up until basically nineteen eighty-nine, and that's when the Berlin Wall came down, the whole Soviet Union began to collapse.
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  SPEAKER_00: But still Russia isn't communist now.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh, I'm not sure what they what you would call it today, but it's definitely not a free country.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and we have communism all over.
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  SPEAKER_01: China and and Cambodia.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think Vietnam might be uh communist now again.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Vietnam's still communist.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it something?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how little freedom they have, say, in a country like China.
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  SPEAKER_01: China at some point, Tom, I think is gonna have to come down.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've been so destructive to their own people.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing that they've existed this long, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the problem with communism are the things that are going on underneath that most people don't know about that we don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I was in intelligence during the during the late sixties.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course our primary target in in those days was the Soviet Union.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was the same time that the Vietnam War was going on and there was we you know, we had to keep track of everything that was that was happening because while the Soviet Union wasn't directly involved in the in the war in Vietnam, they financed it, they provided the weapons, they spent billions of dollars helping uh the communist north and the communist uh insurgents in the south, and that uh war could not have gone on without the Soviet Union support.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as much money as they provided to support that war, they more than doubled that amount of money to support and foster a revolution in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_00: The uh anti-war movement in the United States was funded by the Soviet Union.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of the things that uh that are bad things in our own history is the result of what the Soviet Union did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you gotta remember that not everybody who was involved in that anti-war movement in the United States were communists.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just got on the bandwagon, but the the bandwagon was bought with Soviet money.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we even had an active revolution that was established here in the United States, clearly established revolution in the weather underground.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dorn were the two founders and led the Weather Underground, whose stated purpose was to cause a violent revolution in the United States and overthrow the government.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was their purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both of them got off with slaps on the wrist because of some legal technicalities, and both of them just didn't change their opinion.
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  SPEAKER_00: They changed the method that they used to try to bring about that revolution.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was they both went into education.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bill Ayers became a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago, and Bernardine Dorn became uh a professor in the College of Law at Northwestern University.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and this is this is this is why so many of our young people, again, have no idea they've been indoctrinated in the schools.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just uh a second or two on Karl Marx.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, Karl Marx was a disaster as an economist, the bourgeoisie against the proletariat, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So the business owner against the laborer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I they're not really antagonistic, if if understood correctly, and the system's working the way it should.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have an idea, I'm gonna build a business, I hire people to come in and they work for for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's not a lot of jobs, uh, Tom, when you don't have business owners and guys that are going to develop business.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the state comes in and decides it wants to take control of production and own all those companies, the state becomes the employer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and the state is the worst employer possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: They because each each person within that state apparatus wants his little piece.
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  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't care about the businesses, he doesn't care about the labor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they put this together, the oppressor versus the oppressor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, this didn't work in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you were talking about they're bringing it to the United States, they go, well, the middle class is too strong.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they believe in marriage in the family, which the communists do not.
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  SPEAKER_01: They break down marriage in the family, they love abortion, they love divorce, they hate the church, so they're they're anti-uh-God.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so here's Karl Marx.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a terrible economist, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a failure as an economic system, as a financial system.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a terrible philosopher.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, philosophy is asking, what is the truth of things?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is a human person all about?
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the state looks at each person, not as an individual person, but as part of a collective.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just matter to the state is what how what you can do, how they can use you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think young people understood this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the third thing with Karl Marx, uh, Tom, is that he was a disaster as a human being.
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  SPEAKER_01: He his his his marriage to poor Jenny, I mean, this poor girl, what she went through with him, he wouldn't get a job.
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  SPEAKER_01: He got so lazy, Tom, that he he developed boils, seriously, boils from not cleaning himself properly.
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  SPEAKER_01: His hygiene was was bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, he had two daughters that committed suicide along with their husbands.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you really study this, there's nothing, there's nothing that would attract the person to it if they really understood Marxism.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything what what what what is my attraction to it, except that there's there's an oppressor oppressed?
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  SPEAKER_01: Now they come here into the United States and they say, okay, well, what are we gonna do here?
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  SPEAKER_01: They the middle class is too strong.
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  SPEAKER_01: They they have a dream, I have a dream, right, that I could be a business owner someday.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what did they do?
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  SPEAKER_01: They come out with neo-Marxism.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna create these divisions within race, critical race theory, critical gender theory, abortion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh marriage is is not only easy to get a divorce now, but we've redefined marriage and we've thrown out God from the culture.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bishop Sheen said communism is the scavenger of a decaying civilization.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes its way into a country only when its culture has begun to rot from the inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: In other words, communism is so bad, so terrible, that the only way it could ever make it is if the culture was already rotten, and that's what you're seeing in our culture today.
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  SPEAKER_01: These poor young people are growing up in a toxic culture that's so rotten that we don't know the difference between right and wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: God has already thrown out, we already accept abortion, we already accept divorce and these LBGTQ ideologies.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we've been indoctrinated in school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's go along with for the ride, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Russian Revolution succeeded, revolutions in in Cuba succeeded, communist revolutions have succeeded in a number of different places in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: But early on, they recognized that such revolutions weren't going to be very easy in the West, and they decided to take another approach and use the long march through the institutions.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, capture it from the inside.
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  SPEAKER_00: These strategies that have been employed have allowed the progressives to capture virtually all of our institutions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ayers and Dorn, and many of their contemporaries in that time, went into education because they saw that educating the young could begin to change the minds of people to be able to accept socialism and ultimately communism and move us along in that direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really an infection of the way people think.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the ultimate end is not a good one.
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  SPEAKER_00: The end is to have a tyranny like occur in uh in Russia and China, where the freedom that people had uh and and in Cuba and other places that it's been done, Venezuela, where the freedom people had evaporated.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now they're they basically are not much more than slaves of the masters in their in their capital.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that brings up an interesting point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Capitalism and capitalism can run amok, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We can be full of corruption.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what's disappointed disappointment to young people, too, is they see business owners, like you said, that are very probably greedy.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and and there are, of course, business owners that are greedy, but then you know you hear people getting down on Elon Musk.
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  SPEAKER_01: I forget how many, it's like 160,000 people he employs at a pretty good level that are making 160,000 families are living you know, from different enterprises that he started, and he's not forcing them to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And actually, they're doing pretty well with good benefits, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and so this guy says he's a billionaire, but he's not he doesn't have a billion dollars sitting in the bank.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a trillionaire.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, he's actually the first trillionaire in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: But here's the point that the the money is in the businesses.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not like he walks around with a trillion dollars in his wallet that you can just take out of him, you know, like Bernie Sanders wants to tax tax X.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, these are in these businesses.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's gonna have to sell parts of his businesses to pay these taxes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've been through this as a businessman myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you're actually forced to sell parts of your businesses off so that you can pay taxes.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's almost unbelievable.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, anyways, capitalism, and again, it can be run amok, but freedom, at least in in the Western civilization, has produced more wealth and eliminated more poverty than any other system historically ever in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when you hear what you just said, and you made such a good point, because this is what kids and young people hear, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why can't it be more fair?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, the reality is we think economics is a one-sum game.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, in other words, if if I take something and I have it, there's nothing left for anybody else.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's not the way it works.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you create businesses and opportunities and educate people properly, the opportunities continue to rise and this continues to grow and spread.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not perfect because people are running it and people are sinful and not perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: But communism, of course, takes all that freedom away and the enterprise away, and it takes all these people that would use their creative power for good and it destroys their initiative.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there's nothing being built.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, communism is a drab, ugly system.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, go to China and see how the average person lives wearing the same gray in brown uniforms and going to the same indoctrination.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they don't live they don't live well, Tom.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not the only people that are living well are people with the Chinese Communist Party and a few of the you know, just like they are in Russia with the oligarchs that are in bed with the with the government, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, one of the reasons that people are so dissatisfied, many people are dissatisfied in this country is because they feel like they're slaves to the system.
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  SPEAKER_00: And indeed they are.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's their own doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most people in this country are slaves to debt that they have created on their own because of the the life choices that they've made.
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  SPEAKER_00: The difference in China, a country where people actually are slaves, where they they are beholden to the government, that if they if they step out of line, the government will slap them right back in line very quickly.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: But the Chinese people who make a fraction of what the people in the United States do have savings.
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  SPEAKER_00: The United States people who are just enormously wealthy compared to everybody else in the world have massive debt.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's that debt that makes people slaves.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's even in the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, don't get into debt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't live beyond your means.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I could see, Tom, you know, I could see the frustration with young people.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, they look out today and then they're trying to get work and inflation is high and school debt and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: But let me put this out to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: The reality is that socialism, Marxism, has already infiltrated the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we we think we're free, but we we until Trump came back into the office.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm as mayor in New York.
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  SPEAKER_01: Until Trump came back into office, people don't realize we are already a deep state taken over by corrupt individuals and that have again abortion, attack on a human person, the LBGTQ uh ideologies, throwing out religion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our culture has become vacuous.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a a vacuum, and and nature abores uh a vacuum, doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's being filled in, Tom, with with every evil ideology you could think of.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, if if you want one unifying factor of Islam, Marxism, socialism, neo-Marxism, all these ideologies, it's always an attack on Christianity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and so this really shows you where the spiritual attack comes from, and there's no way to build up the human person when you throw out God.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, so let's talk a little bit about what they're doing in the schools to to our uh children.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they've been doing it through the uh neo-Marxism.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neo-Marxism, again, is you're looking for an oppressor oppressed.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's not going to be just an economic model, but a cultural model.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And here we have race pitted against race with critical race theory.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all about division, hatred.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing, this these gender ideologies, Tom, that we're actually foistering on kids at earlier and earlier and earlier ages, robbing them of their innocence and obliterating their moral imaginations.
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  SPEAKER_01: They no longer know right from wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: So look how easy you can manipulate them, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: The heart of all that is to is to instill in people the idea that they're all victims.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Every one of us has uh has a because of the way our culture has directed us, every one of us sometimes the first thought we have is that this is this was done to me.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's not my fault.
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  SPEAKER_00: Somebody else did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is this is not fair.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh when a lot of what we experience is the result of our own decisions, our debt, whatever.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I can't tell you how many times I've heard people lament the fact that they've got$200,000 in in unpaid college debt that they're they don't know how they're ever going to pay it.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my question is, how did you decide to go into debt like that if you couldn't pay for it?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Well, I had no other choice other than to get the loans.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, you know, how could they have no other choice, Thomas?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: When I went to college, I was out of high school for a couple of years when I I didn't know what I was gonna do, so I go back to college.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: We I didn't even know you could take out a loan.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is how stupid we were, I guess, right?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: I I just worked, I I saved up enough money, and I took one or two classes at a time.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: My brothers and I lived together in a house we had bought, and we we all pitched in money and and helped each other go through school.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: We we didn't know you took out loans.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, here you go.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the difference between us and a communist is we voluntarily did it.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and uh we weren't forced to do it.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: The the the the dilemma I faced when I graduated from high school in 1965 was it was during the time when the Vietnam War was being built up, and they were drafting everybody that didn't go to college.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I had a choice.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: I could either either work and get drafted or join the service that I wanted to go into because the Air Force wasn't drafting, I wanted to go into the Air Force, and also earn the right to get a college education as a result of my service because they had a GI bill.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Still do.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you go into the service and you get out, they will pay your way to college.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so I got out of college debt completely debt-free after I got out of the Air Force, went to college on the GI bill.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: I had no debt when I got out of college.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to, yeah, if you want to, if you want to get free college, join the military.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's other ways to do that too.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you want to be a doctor.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: You just serve.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to be a doctor, join the the health corps and and then agree to be a doctor where they send you for six years.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to go into debt with the stuff.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: My youngest daughter is a is a doctor, and she was in the Air Force, and that's how she went to school, that's how she became a doctor.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: See, we avoid this, but a lot of our own slavery is the result of our own decisions, and because of our slavery to our debt, our looking out at other people, uh having a sense of victimhood, saying, well, it's Elon Musk's fault because he's got a trillion dollars and I got nothing.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I've got negative nothing.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so communism looks pretty good then.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I want some of Elon's trillion.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the reality, I mean, these poor kids, again, they grow up in this proverbial pot.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have no idea of history, they haven't been taught history.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so when you're taught that that, yeah, there's somebody out there that's suppressing you, and the reason you can't make it in life is because of this.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so what do they do, Tom?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very easy for them to join the picket lines.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: They think they're going to get something for free.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to this, though.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let let's let's talk about the failure of the American public school system.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote about this in, of course, the Claymore Battle Plan Handbook.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: It talks about the spiritual battle.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Battle Act or Chapter 34, The Importance of Self Education, The Failure Again of the American Public School System.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is John Paul II.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: He understood what they did and what how they indoctrinated kids and are doing the same thing in the United States today.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: So he's he wrote this.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: I am thinking of young people who are deprived of the opportunity of education often even at the elementary level.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: This state of affairs must be improved.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: For education in the truth, in the truth of things, is one of the fundamental benefits of human civilization.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: To a great extent, the future of our whole society depends on it.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens, Tom, with this new generation?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: The aim of these educators, like you said, when they came in to the United States and infiltrated the schools was never to simply teach children to read and write, was it?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was to reprogram them to re to erase their faith, dismantle their families, put a wedge between parents and the children.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: We see this, replace the love of God and country with a devotion to the state.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the goal.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have a devotion to the state.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm promised that if I go along with this politician who's going to lead me into socialism, Marxism, uh, that I'm going to get ahead, that I'm going to get my piece of the pie finally.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a lie.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Those politicians have no idea who you are in the crowd.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're just a crowd of people that they get riled up, Bernie Sanders and ALC, and there's nothing behind it.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: And they don't care anything about you either.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: As an individual person, you know who cares about you?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Your family, your close ties, your close family, the people that you meet in your church.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: When you get rid of those, and this is one of the reasons, Tom, that these young people are attracted to this, because they don't grow up in strong families.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they grow up too so often with very few, if any, siblings, the family has has, if it's not totally ruptured in their case, they're much smaller families.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have all those relationships.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: So the institutions break down.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to church, you're not receiving that.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: The culture itself has become morally decayed.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: We see this.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, Tom, I tell you what, you know, you look around and you go, I got nothing else.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I need somebody to protect me, to be there for me, and the state's uh a promise of that, right?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: But listen to this.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, William Foster, I'm just gonna read you this little line.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: William Foster was the national chairman of the American Communist Party.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote this bluntly in 1932, his book Toward Soviet America.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: So this is getting back to what we talked about here.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: He said among the elementary measures the American Soviet will adopt to further the cultural revolution are a national department of education.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is what Trump just finally dismantled.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: They put this together on purpose to push these ideologies down.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: He said the studies there will be revolutionized, being cleansed of religious, patriotic, and other features of the bourgeois ideology.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: The students will be taught the basics of Marxism and materialism.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll just go on a little bit further.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Around the same period, John Dewey, often called the father of American education, facilitated the relocation.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: You and I just talked about this offline of the Frankfurt School thinkers at Columbia University, a socialist and staunch atheist, Dewey admired the Soviet model, understood that cultural transformation begins in the classroom.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he said this our special concern here is with the role of schools in building up forces and factors whose natural effect is to undermine the importance and uniqueness of family life.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: If we can weaken the family, weaken the tie between a mother and a father, we can easily uh indoctrinate them.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: This became a reverse engineering.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: The Bolsheviks, the communists, actually picked up what John Dewey wrote, who observed them, wrote this educational policy for the United States, and the communists in Russia actually picked up on this and translated it into Russian and actually began to use the the same indoctrination that we use in our schools.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because one the way the way Dewey did it, and it's even become more hidden today, is that he converted this uh stilted language of the Bolsheviks and all the Marxist lingo that they used and put it into common language and and actually uh disguised it.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: What they're doing in the schools is teaching kids that what their parents say is not necessarily important.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you if you have something that you want to talk to about and keep it from your parents, you can talk to me.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm I'm the one that really cares about you.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take care of you.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: I won't I won't rat you out to your parents.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: So the parents become just somebody that that feeds uh the kids and and uh gives them some place to sleep where the state winds up being the authority for everything else.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:25
  unknown: Yeah.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well then in Illinois, I mean a kid can get an abortion, a a child can get an abortion without anybody's okay, without even their parents knowing.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is a real battle, and you and I have to work on this a little bit more, this parental rights initiative that you and I talked about to make sure we get this into every school board uh yeah, or at least present it to every school board in Illinois for sure.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Here one more one more quote, and this this I think is very, very interesting.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: By 1950, a third of the principals and superintendents of major U.S.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: school districts have been trained in these theories.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Step by step, Marxist ideals were spread across the country.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Chester M.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Pierce, a Harvard professor and a consultant for programs like Sesame Street, later asserted this every child in America entering schools at the age of five is mentally ill.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Every child, he said, is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, to his parents, to a belief in God and to the sovereignty of this nation.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick people well by creating the International Child of the Future.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that's it what I hadn't heard that quote before.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Who is that?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is Chester and Pierce.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's in my book again, uh in that in Act 34.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it's and it really is very, very important to understand.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Again, he's a Harvard professor and a consultant for children's programming like Sesame Street.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: So when you see this programming come in and you see this, Tom, this is just spiritual warfare.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you're trying to get this into your mind, why would they do this?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not rational.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's a spiritual battle.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's only for power, manipulation, and it's a it's to be able to throw God out of the human heart, out of marriage families.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: It starts on the bottom of page 165, then it goes on to page 166.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go on while you're looking that up.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: The National Education Association increasingly embraced this outlook, promoting the replacement of parental authority, to your point, Tom, with state oversight.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is why the battle over education matters so profoundly.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: The assault on children in the family is not merely political, it is spiritual.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Satan despises the family because it reflects the Trinity here on earth.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: What easier way to obscure God's image than by corrupting innocence through so-called sex education and gender ideologies?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: History repeats itself.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Humanity once again embraces the ancient lie all the way from Genesis 3, Tom.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can be like gods.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can decide what is good and evil.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World, wrote that men do not learn very much from the lessons of history, is the most important of all lessons that history has to teach.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm actually still stunned by that quote.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I missed it.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Mentally ill because uh they believe in the founders and their parents.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what the heck?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: How could anybody ever listen to this guy?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: They're very explicit in this right now.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're very explicit.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they've captured the words.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is why they they push the pronouns in school so that you can get used to language that's not precise with meaning and purpose.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Think about this.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've written several articles on these very things.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Democracy is now what?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's socialism and Marxism.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is the they use these words.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Democracy, if if you don't uh go along with socialism and Marxism, now you're a fascist.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: You're a bigot, you're a racist, you know.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so people have to get used to this.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was I wrote a I wrote that article on the assault on our language, you know.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was in there about how they've now changed uh breastfeeding to chest feeding and mother is birthing par birthing person.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Chest feeding now instead of breastfeeding.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so we we can't go along with this.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's why when people ask us, will you use a uh my pronoun?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: I said, No, I'm not gonna use your pronoun, especially if it's a they or a them when it's referred to.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's refer to you as they.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: When somebody says, you know, you're anti-democratic because you're pushing back on socialism, uh, you know, I pause and I smile and I just say, Oh, congratulations.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're a good student of the communist manifesto.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: You've read it, you studied it, and you understand how to twist and distort the language.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, thank you for giving us an example of exactly what I'm talking about here today.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because and you have to be able to do that, Tom.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be able to stand up and point those things out because that's exactly what they're doing to our young people.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: As we're winding down, Tom, and any advice you want to give these young people, we we talk about the importance of self-education.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: What are some of the articles that you uh have written lately that you think that that might come in handy for the failure of the church in a bowl of stew, assault on our language, the state is not apparent, uh, Equality Illinois and the network behind it, all of these have to do with how the the language infiltration has changed our culture or how uh uh our own institutions have drifted away from their mission and purpose.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: The the tendency is for everything to go into chaos.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: So even if you just sit back and do nothing, our culture is gonna is going to cave in around us.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's just going to crumble.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: It takes constant involvement and keeping things on the right track to keep things going naturally.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: And there is a tendency by many people to try to make it their road in the direction that they want.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: So they want to move it away from our founding principles.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: They want to move parenthood away from the parents and into the responsibility of the state.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's a tendency of these things to happen, not necessarily by a single hand, but by many people saying, well, I don't like this, and they've been indoctrinated in some ideology, let's try to make it go there.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And like Bill Ayers, who decided the actual armed revolution, where he's blowing up buildings and trying to create a an actual armed revolution wasn't going to work in the United States, he went to the other approach, the long march through the institutions.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: He got himself involved in the as an educator in the University of Illinois and in Chicago, and he gave speeches all over the all over the world about this.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so he began to take the long approach and re-educate the children into his way of thinking.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And parents have not pushed back against that.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: So now we have two generations since Ayers got involved in that.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Two generations have now been raised up with a with an ideology that conforms more closely to the Marxist than to the to those of our founding fathers.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think uh young people have to stand up and understand the battle they're in.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is a very destructive force that's coming.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: If they want any future at all, if they want any hope at all, they're gonna have to get their hearts back.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna have to understand the importance of the nuclear family connected to the church.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's what, again, that's what this battle plan is all about.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's a three-step battle plan.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Get your heart back, understand what we're we're dealing with here, understand the importance of marriage and a family, united to Christ and the church, and then we go out from there to rebuild the culture and and rebuild the nation.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: We have to understand how that all works.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not brain surgery, but to your point, if we don't do it, and if those young people don't join us, there's there's been this vacuous emptiness.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the average person, honest to goodness, that I meet on the streets, even if they say they're Christian, they're really worried about their self.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's about self.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're hedonistic to a certain uh d degree, they're nihilistic to a certain degree.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Look at Western Europe, and they still have given into moral relativism, Tom.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there is no truth, only my truth or your truth.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: The most dangerous thing about young people today is that they've been they've grown up in a culture that has inculcated them with ideas that are lies, and they cannot see it because that's it's part of their nature.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a child, a child that's that's grown up in an abusive family.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: They don't recognize that they've been abused.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's normal for them.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: That seems normal.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: And somebody who grew up in a loving Christian family, they look at them and say, Those people are kind of strange.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: And there's no hope or for the future.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have any identity, any meaning and purpose to your life.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and if you believe that there is no absolute truth, this will this will continue to crumble like it is now.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is that they have to begin to by looking at themselves, by comparing what they believe with what's in the Bible.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because the Bible is the the only thing that's around that we can look at and say, this is this is really the standard of truth.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: If it's something that doesn't conform to what the Bible teaches, it's wrong.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that you could really tell that we're over the target when Islam is in bed with with socialists and communists, just like they are with M Mom Dani for a good example.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: And and he's walking around, think about the irony here.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's walking around in a pride parade holding an LBGTQ rainbow flag now.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Islam, in reality, if those people, right?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Gays, lesbians, queers, trans, they wouldn't survive more than in 15 seconds in in an Islamic country.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not only that, I mean, Mandami himself, if he acquired the power he wants, the power he desires, as soon as he did, he, like the in the Russian Revolution, those people would be the first to go.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: So now you say, okay, well, tell me why they're all in bed together.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's only one thing.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: They're united for just a period of time to attack Christ again, Jesus Christ, Christians.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you see this attack.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know you're over the target time when everybody wants to get rid of that.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And if they can get rid of him, then uh then it's fair play.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then it'll devolve into chaos so fast, they'll all be murdering each other.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: You could just see it.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: It happens every time in history.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the good news.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the good news.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: This group of young men uh in the United States that we're in dialogue with now.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's very exciting.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Gen Z men who are who grew up in that proverbial pot, but they're jumping out.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're jumping out.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not huge, huge numbers yet, but it's enough to quantify.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they're starting to look around at exactly what you said and said, hey, what is the truth of things?
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how does my worldview look?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: So the Bible tells us that God has put within us, each one of us, a knowledge, a basic knowledge of what's right and wrong.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so they begin to what even they've been taught something that somewhere inside they recognize that something's wrong.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Something's not right about this.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think those are the people that are taking action.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: And there's still, I think there's many p young people today who recognize that things are are not right, but they're listening to the wrong people about what to fix because what they're being told that they can fix are things that are gonna make th make it worse.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the mental illness that you see, it in essence could be I tell young people, I said, you know, you're anxious, you're depressed, some of you are even suicidal.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: What happens if it's because your heart is right?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: It is anxious, it is depressed.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's the outside world that has mental illness, it's the opposite.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's Professor Chester Pierce here.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right, he's the one that's mentally ill.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, look at that poor person that was running for for a time was running for senator in Maine, that transgender woman.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was he was obviously mentally ill, and yet they entertained us as some as something that was normal.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: He needs psychiatric help, and nobody's willing to tell him that.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, we have who's the senator?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: We have a senator that's a trans senator, right?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: What's his her name?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a woman out of it, yeah, a guy's name.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's out in from Delaware, I think.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean we have him in here.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is how far we've got to be.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a state representative, not a senator.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: And we do it because we hear these words again from the Marxists, right?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Kindness, compassion, tolerance for everybody.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: The only ones you can't be tolerant of are Christians.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the whole thing the word I said chest feeding actually came into the general lexicon because a transgender man, a woman, wanted to change it from breastfeeding to chest feeding, and and she was on this international board of lactation consultants, and because they liked her, they they wanted to accommodate her, and that's how it wound up becoming a law in Illinois.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody, all the way along, after it was first introduced to the lactation educators, all these other people basically said it was it was uh settled science that it should be called that.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was all just it was just an accommodation to this to this woman so she would feel better.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: So now in Illinois, anyway, it's got to refer to breastfeeding as chest feeding.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: Thomas, thanks for being with us.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, everyone.