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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 6 Episode 20 - Villains · Shit 90s Shows Taught Me | Felicity/ Buffy the Vampire Slayer/ Boy Meets World / Dawson's Creek/ 90s TV

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before It's just behind never ending windows All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from an unusual place
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a partner for the ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 Isn't me to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shit 90's show start me!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit 90's show start me was not filmed before live studio audience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: are you ready to say another day?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So are we welcome back to shit 90 shows taught me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just darling here with my co-hosts, Sarah Humphrey, Sarah, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jess, I'm doing really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can glad you got the memo wearing black as well as navy, but yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is through my fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wearing black.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dark willow time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the evil, the evil
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[SPEAKER_02]: somewhere made it interesting and fun, and I'm really excited to talk about Willow, crash and out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're having a major crash out over
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[SPEAKER_02]: Her girlfriend's death, which is justified, actually fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm excited to talk about Dark Willow and whether or not it needed, met our expectations of what we want Dark Willow to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, this is just the beginning of Dark Willow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we're gonna see more from her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But of course, we're not alone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are joined by the lovely Hannah, Hannah, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for having me back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like I've been referenced a few times the past couple of episodes the last time I was listening to your podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was doing dishes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was so zone sort of in, I was like in the zone and suddenly I went, come on Hannah, how can you buy this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we're sweating like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I almost dropped the plate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was washing because I forgot that I'm involved in the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You should not be calling out our friends by name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we do it constantly, aggressive manner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think like that is a good reminder that people actually listen to us, we're not just talking into the ether.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's, yes, a couple of people that do listen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe we should not ostracize our friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good reminder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Hannah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I was honored to be mentioned because it feels like how you imagine when you listen to a podcast because you always imagine the host's care about your opinion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And in this case, you guys kept referencing me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was like, that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We do want to get to come on and explain myself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just, it felt like a broke-a-forth wall while I was listening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can imagine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into season 6 episode 20 villains.
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[SPEAKER_03]: kind of interesting because we obviously are picking right back up where we left off with like buffing your death.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She managed to get a haircut while she was dying, which is honestly pretty incredible for her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The only notes I have for Buffy's solo as a character this episode is near death got a haircut.
4:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's that sums up Buffy what Buffy's what's happening with just Buffy.
4:44
[SPEAKER_03]: What's interesting is that when we see Willow asking Osiris to bring Tara back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's like, it then pans to Buffy who like immediately opens her eyes and the first time I watched this I was like, she accidentally bring Buffy back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like very weirdly afraid, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be like, no, willow, no, I want to go to heaven enough with this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stop trying to bring me back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She keeps stepping it in and out of the gates.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She can have to go through another season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but yeah, I, I think I want, uh, maybe we should just, there's a couple smaller storylines that I maybe we can just get out of the way first and then we'll focus in on like the Willow's Goobies stuff first of which I, did I, did I frame my, my guest appearance here for the listener for this and I, I, because I've been referenced multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I had, I know Susan's six has a lot of flaws.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on board with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it, and in preparation for coming here, I started looking at Reddit and YouTube, and because I felt like, you know, Sarah, you were like, is this fun for the listeners to hear us hate this season?
6:03
[SPEAKER_04]: The thing about season six is it's not universally, there are some shows, maybe like the teaching, hospitalist scrubs, or, I mean, I'm sure people could let shows where people universally are like, this is a worst season or a better season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Season six, especially for my little internet dive, is just divisive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like there are people that love this season, and there are people that don't, and both have valid points.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I listen to an hour and a half YouTube analysis of it by this girl, Sarah Z.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I really, I felt like I was going insane.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I was like, I love this season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Sarah broke it down and helped like articulate some of the things, which is that I do love this season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I acknowledge and I will not defend some of the choices.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that it's not, you know, they could have gotten here without the choices, but I just want to acknowledge on this podcast that this will be a perspective of someone who really likes season six and feels like it's.
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[SPEAKER_04]: For me, it's just like such a good representation of depression and mental health and like with the catharsis of it being fiction and getting to get out of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so it is a season of television that like since we've been podcasting together in season two, I've really enjoyed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: understanding that there are many opinions, but it is not a universally hated season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like split down the middle, which I think is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm excited to get into it and talk about why someone might like it and why someone might hate it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I respect, I like listening to you guys experience Buffy for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've helped me come around on season
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[SPEAKER_04]: you gave me for season four.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can return as a gift for my precious season six.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I went back to health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a gift.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our appreciation season four too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard it from a, from a, from a multi-year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a gift.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have a unique, a more unique perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think on season four.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the season six aspect of everything is so fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because you're not the only one like we Tom Palmer for the podcast has mentioned the fact that like this is very polarizing season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know Todd the librarian has mentioned like this has like two or three of his top five episodes, but it's also his least favorite season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think it's like very common.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It has, I feel like it's had high highs in low lows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so like that is the tricky part on top of the fact that Sarah, I don't know if you feel this way, but the way in which we've watched the season is also extremely unique like on the podcast because we binge recorded a lot before your maternity leave and then we returned to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like that break also kind of influences my opinion a bit on it as well.
8:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I also say like as I've gotten to know you both and listen to you for hours, whether you're saying my name or not, I, I, in my gut, I was like, oh, they're not going to like season six.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I know you guys were kind of prepped for season four, like, oh, you might not like it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so you were going in gearing for that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think you, like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: rightfully.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a certain level of flaws in your main characters that I think can frustrate y'all as you podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is a season where people that we've grown to care about start acting really badly.
9:30
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's why I texted you guys.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I don't know that you're making it through the season.
9:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, anyways, I wanted to say that before we jump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that, like I don't, I don't want anybody to feel like we are judging anybody for liking something that we do not like.
9:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like just my podcasted about a lot of seasons of a lot of television and there's times where we're like, this is not the first time where we didn't enjoy what we were watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we're not bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that, not a bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The, that is the best case scenario because we've also watched seasons of TV that we found a trotisly boring and was a slog to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, so we're not bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's definitely things that I'm enjoying about the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Namely, the,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the dark willows stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that I am interested in hearing the things that you that you do like Hannah, maybe we can incorporate it throughout our like
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[SPEAKER_02]: discussion, but the ups.
10:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just wanted to come on and not like deconstruct why you don't like something because I respect it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: More just if a listener's listening to the podcast and they're like, oh, I love season six.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I can be the voice for some of those listeners because, you know, there is someone who made an hour and a half long YouTube deep dive on why she
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sarah Zee, Sarah with it, and yeah, and until all the reddit threads I read in preparation, because I really wanted to see what what the vibes were, but that's why, yeah, that to you, Jess, but I wanted to frame what what no, that's great here.
11:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I want to just like quick hit spike because he has one scene and that is pretty much all we see of him in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's brief mention of him, but we see him in Africa, and he like goes in a cave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He greets a demon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like he wants to have his chip removed, like he wants to go back to being who he was, but the guy's like, well, you got to earn it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that is pretty much it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Sarah, it seems like we're being set up for like spike has to complete some sort of mission that's going to be very difficult in order to remove the chip or go back to his former self, which I assume is chip removal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't belly boy do this before?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the same thing.
12:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like you have this ship for like three seasons my guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like when the way was this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe maybe actually it is maybe it's not moving on the chip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember exactly what he said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it is pre vampire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have like his exact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I will I will look it up because I think he said something about going back to his former self, but let me look Yeah, we have former self like we assume like I show man, but maybe he wants to go back to be hated One thing I one thing I will not defend the show on is their continued portrayal of an entire continent as just a V. Yeah, oh stereotype doesn't always age well not saying there's not
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[SPEAKER_04]: watch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't dial on on a country, even though there's, I don't know how many, uh, yeah, look up one thing in that country.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And trees were there in Africa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to sound uneducated, but I would like at least.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love how I'm like, I'm going to come in and defend this season and the first thing I'm going to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really like wearing them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what he says 54.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 54 countries in Africa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't choose one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't choose one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't choose one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't choose one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is there like a, sorry, I've been playing a lot of D&D.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Spike says, the slayer thinks she's better than me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ever since I got this bleeding chip in my head, things ain't been right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything's gone to hell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the demon says, and you want to return to your former self.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Spike says, yeah, and then he says, it's this bloody chip.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so it does seem like Kissbike talks about being a warrior and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he wants to be human.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he wants a chipper moved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Random African country generator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pick a random African country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to get dicey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: More T-T-T-S.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's just say he's in more T-T-T-T-S. Um, that's all we hear from Spike though, this entire episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We get, we'll talk about claim later, but like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it for Spike.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's often Africa in an unnamed country we just named it Moritidis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, he's obviously in Moritidis in Moritidis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously I should have known based on the geography.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we, you know, to be continued.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like his own attorney.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, he is not spun off yet to angel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's next season or the end of next season, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get on the docks and go to LA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone has to go on the docks or the shit question is like, did he get to Africa?
15:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Did he like go on a coffin and then I'll play him like how is he going to go out?
15:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I wish this episode had just been really awkward travel of his travel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am happy it wasn't because I didn't want to see Spike on my screen up close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I suppose, I guess it's the way I guess so.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But wouldn't have had been more fun to see him on the red eye saying no to like the breakfast they offer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's actually pretty funny.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to go to the docks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, it has to go everyone goes to the docks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it is hard for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to see him right away.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Female pain for male growth is not a storyline.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So because they included that scene in the previously on and I was like, why is that, but yeah, you're like, give us one break of travel days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really, yes, please.
15:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just bounce to the next set of problematic men and talk about we have loser trio is split up So we have the duo in jail Jonathan is super depressed because he's like we're gonna be stuck here This sucks Warren ditched us Andrew is Dululu.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is living in Dululu land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is mayor of Dululu land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh Warren's gonna break us out My guy is in love with Warren and he is in love
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at least we got to get into a, um, like a gay adjacent joke about men across the other men in the cells because we, we need any time you're in jail, you have to reference that.
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16:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Top the movie that he referenced.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was curious because anytime they reference something, it's, you know, important.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, oh, I don't know where I put it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's called war games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the movie they mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the plot of war games is high school student David Lightman on wittingly hacks into a military super computer while searching for new video games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: After starting a global
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[SPEAKER_04]: thermonuclear war, Lightman leads the super computer to activate the nation's nuclear arsenal in response to his simulated threat as the Soviet Union.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Once the coolest hacker comes to his senses, Lightman with the help of his girlfriend must find a way to alert the authorities to stop the onset of World War III.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just thought it was interesting that the movie reference was about someone who goes evil, but then has to like backtrack.
17:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just like when shows, yeah, very loser trio, um, I, it's interesting.
17:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I respect your, I've listened to your opinions on the loser trio being negative.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do think, you know, Marty knocks is the showrunner that took over as, as we didn't step back for a bit in season six.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I do think this idea of these in cells being,
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[SPEAKER_04]: As dangerous, if not more dangerous than all the supernatural elements was a bit ahead of its time, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like instead of the endearing nerd and we've, you know, and it's unpleasant and uncomfortable because we see this sort of violence in our actual world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it hits closer to home, but I think that like these guys that have been sort of like written off in the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_04]: actually hurting some of the inner circle like glory was a god and and wasn't able to take.
18:19
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, we had the mayor the giant the mayor, you know, took out part of the class, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like that the most dangerous thing might be misogyny and actual misogynistic men.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I feel like it's still relevant today, like the the message of that has aged pretty well
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[SPEAKER_04]: You see the conversation on liner and any movie that gets remade in a way that certain men don't like, I just think as a, as a, whether you consider them the big bad or pseudo big bad, I think it, I think that it's pretty, uh, pretty on the nose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think I said this last week like there's just like no when you go bigger and bigger and bigger every season like literally glory was a god like where else are you going to go it's smart to
19:16
[SPEAKER_02]: be just a quote unquote normal human and I like the concept I don't know what is not exactly working for me besides the fact that oh I don't know it's like the silliness of it you know I think like I think it was like all the silly bits but
19:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes the silly bits worked for me in season one and season four, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I like
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[SPEAKER_02]: these three in cells.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I needed three different in cells.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think part of it for me is like I think I've mentioned this before, but like it's missing the silliness that like the mayor and glory had, like they're evil, but it's not fun to watch them be evil.
20:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And part of that I'm sure is that it is like
20:12
[SPEAKER_03]: so close to home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is like we see this every day sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is less otherworldly than a glory or the mayor or obviously dotyvamps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just missing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know it's silly in a different way.
20:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe some people think it's like fun and silly.
20:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, that's true.
20:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the most Midwestern you've ever seen.
20:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
20:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
20:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
20:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
20:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
20:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't remember from that.
20:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I did some of their stuff like making buffy and visible or like, you know, kind of exasperating everyday life.
21:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Like she is in.
21:03
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, Buffy as a series is a coming of age story, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The big, the evil represents, you know, she has to face trials to become an adult.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this season is sort of sitting in her adulthood, quote-unquote, and sitting in, like, actual evil, like a bunch of misogynists.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess I, I still find like that there are funny storylines that the dialogue is sharp.
21:31
[SPEAKER_04]: The main character's biggest battle is depression, and that those two things existing together for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: works.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
21:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I also think part of it for me is like the tone had such a huge shift from season to season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like when you watch five seasons of a show, you come to expect certain days and yes, like seasons one and two, I felt like we're especially one was like way campier than the other seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that feels more like
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: well they're learning growing and like changing things as the show moves on versus like you're established by season six.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So to like have an established tone and like feel and vibe of a show and then swerve and like feel like it's very very different, I do think is part partly why it's just like it's an adjustment more than
22:24
[SPEAKER_03]: anything else.
22:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And like they switch networks and obviously like Marty Knox took the helm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think for me, it feels earned and I think that's why I'm okay with the tone, which is where it's just like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We will get deep character exploration.
22:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Every single character comes out of season six, different than how they started.
22:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Like everyone goes through some shit.
22:48
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, we couldn't have done this season two or season three.
22:52
[SPEAKER_04]: We were so focused on sort of buffy becoming an adult, right?
22:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And everyone representing things, season four, it was like, we're in college.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What does it mean to like grow a part and then grow together?
23:04
[SPEAKER_04]: season five was like about family and loss right and but like suddenly you have the show that wasn't necessarily going to come back and they're like, how can we, you know, Buffy and Willow have always been connected when
23:20
[SPEAKER_04]: when Willow was cheating with Zander, not to bring up more sour points with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like Buffy was losing herself too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So for Buffy and Willow to be sort of losing themselves in sort of depression and addiction, and we'll get into all that I know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like to me, it just felt like such a cool exploration and so earned that I am okay with the pivot in tone because again, it's like it became adulthood and like a little bit different.
23:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I like that they tried it.
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I would like it more if they were only half of the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Willow, who I think is a more interesting villain, or I think that I would have maybe like to better if we spent the first half of the season with the loser trio, they are
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[SPEAKER_02]: the professor in season four was before she got staked before she got oh that's our that's our villain but then like Adam took over i know that wasn't really intentional but like yeah you don't want to mean i and then will agree with that in the back half of the season having more
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[SPEAKER_02]: space and more room for her to really become evil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then like I don't want Tara to die halfway through the season, but I think that that could have been an interesting like halfway point of her dying and then same reasoning why Willow turns dark.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think like that could have worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that maybe it's just too much of the loser to help, too much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, yeah, once again, I think it like all stems from somebody is obsessed with Jonathan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think all of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's not me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody is obsessed with Jonathan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Enough with him.
25:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, let's give this boy some, some,
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[SPEAKER_02]: some legs.
25:25
[SPEAKER_02]: The moment I see that man in Gilmore girls, I'm going to puke on myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't be so lovable in Gilmore girls.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the funny part.
25:34
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel you lost to the face.
25:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see it.
25:38
[SPEAKER_04]: It has flaws.
25:39
[SPEAKER_04]: No doubt.
25:40
[SPEAKER_04]: For example, I, you know, there's the trope in media, the barrier gaze trope.
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[SPEAKER_04]: which is sacrificing queer characters is a pattern, especially for like the growth of other people.
25:53
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, Willow and Tara finally being so intimate on screen when it was so like shunned before by networks just to kill her off is like, I actually was looking this up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the kiss of death.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There are these tropes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: when it comes to like a lot of queer characters and how it happens.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I, yes, there are definitely flaws.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I also think you guys have talked a lot about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm jumping around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know more than usually do, but like willows, like the addiction metaphor, I understand that like magic was sort of a metaphor for queerness at one point, which makes this turn even like harder to digest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's not that this season is perfect for me, or for Sarah Z, who I listen to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, it's it's that I think for me, the deeper exploration and the like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: getting the catharsis of like watching people struggle with their mental health and be even Tara, something you've seen, Tara for giving Buffy her being like, hey, this is what I've done and her being like, I'm here for you, it works for me, but you're, I don't know, maybe you're right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you guys are also watching a lot of Buffy all at once, so it's a different experience.
27:09
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's, let's stick on the loser trio and talk about Warren a bit, um, because he goes to a demon bar and this guy, oh my god, he's men, just like, uh, I get buffing guess what all you losers needed was a gun, and I really enjoyed that everyone laughed in his face and was like, you better get out of town, you dummy because she's definitely not dead, um, he goes, I would have bet many, many dollars that this man rack.
27:39
[SPEAKER_03]: was not showing back up on the show.
27:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, here he is.
27:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally didn't even remember his name.
27:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to look it up.
27:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I called him crazy.
27:46
[SPEAKER_04]: He's buffed his love interest since he's in seven.
27:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's horrible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I hate him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's dumb.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to see him ever again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like the magic camera.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is who Willow went to with Ratt Amy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like she
28:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, oh, I got a lot, as you should have, I choice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You should have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Woring is like, okay, well, I need your help.
28:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And this guy is like a prophet or whatever.
28:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, well, it's not even buffing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You need to be worried about it's so rich.
28:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, well, well, I like that.
28:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was really cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that that was, he's, and seeing Warren, like, be like, I,
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: like, where are you talking about?
28:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I didn't kill her best friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she shouldn't be that mad.
28:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like I shot her best friend or anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why is she even not at me?
28:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, she's a lot believable men.
28:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we just say men.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the audacity to be like, well, she even men.
28:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like a friend's dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, and then he's like, well, no, you actually killed her lover.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And then
28:58
[SPEAKER_02]: is like, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, what's, what's he do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think rewatching this episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't realize how much kind of exposition and plot, sort, like, rack and then, um, oh my god, on your later play and, like, I just have a special ability to let everyone know what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just so helpful.
29:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I can feel this.
29:20
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to explain so that our all our characters know we're all the same page.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let me actually just say for this a second.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
29:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, here's the exposition you're missing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
29:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what Warren is also download with like a word.
29:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Darla with a blue guns at Buffy Season 1 and couldn't get anywhere near her.
29:43
[SPEAKER_04]: So, Darla had guns.
29:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even remember that, but I love Darla.
29:50
[SPEAKER_04]: During season one episode seven Angel when Angel sent to like fight Buffy and Darla pulls out pulls out like two guns and then Oh, I do remember that in the bronze and like a shoot out.
30:05
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a I know that that's much camp here in Silly or the what we're discussing here, but she's just
30:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I kept thinking of Darla and her vamp face trying to shoot Buffy.
30:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Did I even watch that was an A's a very long time ago.
30:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It was another time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a Buffy episode called Angel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Season one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
30:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Episode seven.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was very long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Darla was in season one of Buffy.
30:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Now joking.
30:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So the one other storyline I want to kind of get out of the way, just because it is more on the sidelines is what happens with Dawn this episode.
30:43
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that she, okay, we have such a reply of like she's so excited that Dawn.
30:50
[SPEAKER_03]: or that Dawn, that Willow and Tara are back together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then she's the one who has to find Tara's body and sits with it for like, has to be ours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was light out when she started and it was dark wind, buffy founder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
31:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Dawn has had a rough life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Her entire life has been rough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's her a break, please, for life.
31:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I was six months of her very difficult life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, she, here's the thing.
31:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to get mad for like a hot second.
31:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what else is it?
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to get mad.
31:24
[SPEAKER_03]: When she says, I want to come with you to find Willow.
31:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand this is dangerous, okay?
31:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But I have been very much on the side of, we need to teach John at the very least self defense, because the injure is coming for her around every freaking corner, whether Buffy likes it or not.
31:42
[SPEAKER_03]: My biggest argument is that, hey, Buffy, I know it's not ideal, but I do truly think that your baby sister is probably safer with you than a rapist, so maybe we don't bring her to the rapist's house to be watched.
31:57
[SPEAKER_03]: This is horrible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: unbelievable and like so beyond I didn't even I I couldn't even react.
32:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean I could I over I I reacted appropriately in my opinion, but how do you even fathom?
32:12
[SPEAKER_03]: The fii making this decision it makes no sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It makes absolutely zero sense and if her argument is well he's not going to do it to her.
32:21
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you remember?
32:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember what her argument was because I said like when like the third or fourth time I came on I was like any time the word choice is said in this show you really have to pay attention and so choice is brought up twice this episode one will
32:41
[SPEAKER_04]: So what you do, you don't have the choice here.
32:45
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's my career with this script.
32:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I hear me out.
32:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Hear me out, the thesis of the show is that you always have a choice.
32:54
[SPEAKER_04]: So anytime a character says, I don't have a choice.
32:58
[SPEAKER_04]: That is a bat signal for they are not behaving well.
33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the last time we talked about this, I think they're making a bad decision.
33:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Even letting, yes, they're literally a universe, push them in bad ways, even though Buffy just had this experience with spike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She still wants to have be connected to him in some way.
33:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So instead, she thinks this is keeping dawn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: more safe.
33:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, she thinks that she doesn't have a choice.
33:27
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the big thing.
33:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Like with Buffy's friend, I forgot the dude's name, who wanted to kill everyone to become a vampire way back in the day.
33:35
[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, oh, I don't have a choice, right?
33:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Buffy's like, we don't have a choice and sort of all season with Dawn.
33:42
[SPEAKER_04]: That's been the attitude.
33:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, got a protector, got a
33:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's important that she thinks she doesn't have a choice.
33:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like so.
33:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It was I was so extremely frustrated.
33:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one because it felt like unbelievable that Buffy would make this decision.
34:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But also, I had to agree with Zander.
34:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And like that is so extremely painful for me to be like, yeah, listen to Zander, the voice of reason, the only thing I was slightly,
34:17
[SPEAKER_03]: slightly able to like get over it a bit because my dear favorite little side gem, my favorite little floppy eared king clim is now a babysitter and I fucking adore clim with literally every ounce of my being.
34:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is.
34:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's partly his floppy little ears.
34:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's partly that he wants like rent movies and is like so happy to be hanging out with Dawn.
34:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And he just needs a bestie, okay?
34:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying it's like a 16-year-old girl's in appropriate bestie for Clim, but I am saying that he needs a bestie and I want someone to find one for him.
34:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And I am ignoring the fact that he like eats kittens because that's just a part of his culture.
34:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He is so cute and adorable.
34:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I love him so much.
35:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we can all agree on that.
35:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's polite.
35:04
[SPEAKER_02]: The wedding plan.
35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I bring solid movie, I guess.
35:09
[SPEAKER_03]: party.
35:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you brought that up.
35:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
35:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I get you lady something?
35:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just about to mix up some country time.
35:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I love him.
35:18
[SPEAKER_03]: What's that?
35:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I love about this channel making lemonade.
35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I love lemonade.
35:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I, during my pregnancy, I had like a real lemonade kick.
35:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I ordered in my weak stint in the hospital.
35:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I ordered like 30 things of lemonade.
35:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of luck.
35:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just ordered the packets.
35:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even drink it.
35:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
35:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, you're like an 80-year-old with sweet and low.
35:41
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just like, you know, just going to put these in my first
35:54
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not.
35:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I tried to, oh, I tried to buy a lemonade and like an LA grocery, like little LA sandwich shop recently.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Guess how much they were selling lemonade?
36:04
[SPEAKER_03]: $8.
36:05
[SPEAKER_03]: $12 for a lemonade.
36:08
[SPEAKER_03]: They can shove that lemonade somewhere that's not crazy.
36:12
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a fruit lemonade thing.
36:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And I said, no.
36:16
[SPEAKER_03]: No thank you.
36:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be able to be rent this month.
36:19
[SPEAKER_03]: That's insane.
36:20
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I kind of want to.
36:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Might be too much too much too much.
36:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Climmy even offers a dawn the comfy chair.
36:27
[SPEAKER_03]: King.
36:28
[SPEAKER_03]: If this man am metal, I love him.
36:32
[SPEAKER_03]: um anyway that's those are kind of side stories um for the episode um but let's let's get into the dark willow of it all because this is this is the time right she asks her to bring terror back he's a client he says she died by normal human normal natural causes
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unlike Buffy, who was killed by magical means, which is why we'll always able to bring her back, yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada
37:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw, I saw this in Connor Steven over there.
37:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't talk about fucking Connor.
37:14
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you're going to make me mad if we start talking with the angel.
37:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't yet.
37:19
[SPEAKER_04]: We can't yet.
37:20
[SPEAKER_04]: And so where do you use hair cut speaking?
37:22
[SPEAKER_03]: It's offensive.
37:23
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so offensive.
37:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought you guys were exaggerating.
37:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Because we're low cutter hair and it looked fine.
37:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And you guys.
37:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We were never exaggerating.
37:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
37:31
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
37:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I was so shocked that I brought my boyfriend into look at it and he was like, he thought it was a wig because he thought there's no way they would get for that haircut like, you know, real sense.
37:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a gas.
37:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, there's no, I really like how they explain this and I think it actually makes sense because, you know,
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: because I think that most of us have this question of like, well, is this that big of a deal if Willow's just able to bring people back?
38:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
38:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, my only thing is that, and I don't know who's because, so,
38:13
[SPEAKER_02]: uh Don was able to bring um Joyce back.
38:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a zombie a different spell.
38:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He don't exactly know what would have come of it.
38:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And I understand that there was special ingredients with that spell.
38:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like Willow is not able to bring
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Tara back in the same way that she was able to bring fluffy back, however, she really wanted to.
38:41
[SPEAKER_02]: There's other means, but it doesn't matter because her rage took over and then she named Dark Willow.
38:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, she screamed and hurt this like God dude, like that's how powerful she was.
38:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that her screams was painful to him?
38:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is pretty incredible.
38:59
[SPEAKER_03]: My biggest thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a couple things that I'm not enjoying about Dark Willow.
39:05
[SPEAKER_03]: One of which is the fact that she literally just leaves Tara's body on the ground.
39:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I've never been in this situation.
39:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never had a loved one get shot in front of me and die.
39:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was really upset that she just, number one, it feels,
39:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, like, everyone's beliefs, like whatever, may think the soul leaves the body, blah, blah, blah, blah, right, it's not that person anymore, whatever you believe is fine.
39:35
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, it feels like disrespectful, almost like to just be like, I'm just gonna leave this here and this other reason I have like a big problem with it.
39:45
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like,
39:46
[SPEAKER_03]: you're just leaving it so someone else can just like stumble upon terror.
39:51
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
39:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Don lives there.
39:54
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Don lives there.
39:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it just felt crazy to me.
39:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know she is in like an altered state, right?
40:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that is probably the like reasoning behind it.
40:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was so bothered by this.
40:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so hurt Sarah like it felt also like I mean we were upset about Tara's death.
40:12
[SPEAKER_03]: This just felt like okay we're gonna throw a handful of salt in that wound on top of it you know.
40:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was funny because like I didn't even think to blame Maloo in this situation.
40:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I was also felt like I also felt like there was like major disrespect to Tara's body.
40:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel as though it is um
40:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably like on the the first responders that came to the house to take care of everybody to make sure that nobody within the house was also shot.
40:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there should have been a complete sweep of the site and then they would have found Tara or I also feel like why did.
41:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Zander and I say we also have people inside type of thing.
41:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing, I'm blaming Zander, but I think he was so distracted.
41:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Like in my opinion, the ambulance people all they knew about was Buffy.
41:14
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're like, come on, we got to go.
41:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, okay, I got to go, Buffy's in the ambulance.
41:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.
41:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like, you know, Willow.
41:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really like Willow.
41:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like Willow could have been like screaming for help.
41:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But also,
41:29
[SPEAKER_02]: she's distraught as well.
41:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm trying to, like, victim lame, it's more just, like, I was offended for on behalf of Tara.
41:39
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
41:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I wouldn't want to be done like that.
41:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, help, like, move my body, like, gave me some danger.
41:47
[SPEAKER_03]: situation not like dark willow it's on dark willow dark willow it was more just like upsetting because like she that is her love that is her you know what I mean and like if that I would like to say if that happened to me I would not just leave my person there you know.
42:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the worst part of it was done finding the body and sitting with the body for hours.
42:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was really heartbreaking.
42:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And then even after that, like, Buffy had to find her and then find Tara, like the whole thing.
42:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And then get the, like, coroner in there.
42:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a whole thing.
42:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the mag gets by that time, probably, where you got.
42:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, no, no, not that soon.
42:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It was awful.
42:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
42:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Hannah, what do you think?
42:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I overreacting to this?
42:39
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't.
42:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the whole thing's upsetting.
42:42
[SPEAKER_04]: There seems to be a lot of parallels to Joyce like the people coming in the signing and all of that.
42:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it's supposed to be sort of a call back to that.
42:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that.
42:54
[SPEAKER_04]: you know what we don't quite understand at this point is like how much of Willow is present when she is like that.
43:01
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's less like, you know, she's so consumed, drive revenge and anger to avoid the pain and grief, right?
43:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And so because she's sort of avoiding the pain in the grief, she's not really focusing on
43:18
[SPEAKER_04]: the loss even though she's consumed by the loss.
43:22
[SPEAKER_04]: And so because she's not focused on the loss, she doesn't really think to like take care of the logistics of it all.
43:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, shall we see it?
43:33
[SPEAKER_04]: We should have seen her.
43:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm dark.
43:35
[SPEAKER_02]: My hair just turned black.
43:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to wait here for one to two hours.
43:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Her hair didn't turn dark until later in the episode.
43:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I will say, I will say with Zander,
43:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, Zander seems like he was in a state of shock because Will comes out of the house covered him blood blood.
43:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he doesn't think I mean he doesn't say to them.
43:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, she was kind of blood.
43:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe but she I think he's very focused on not losing Buffy again.
43:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Buffy is about to die like yeah.
44:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going back to blaming the first responders.
44:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody should have been inspecting and questioning.
44:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess I just don't know.
44:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're like, we only have so much time to help.
44:18
[SPEAKER_03]: The police are there and they're not like sure that that's fair.
44:22
[SPEAKER_03]: That is very fair to like hey a gun shot There was other girl covered in blood, but like regardless it just like it stuck in my crock as again I feel like part of it is
44:33
[SPEAKER_03]: hold over resentment for the fact that they killed Tara and the fact and the way they killed Tara, that also then pissed me off that they like just left her body there.
44:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I kind of just felt like disrespectful.
44:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It is disrespectful.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I refuse to blame my queen, Dark Willow.
44:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It's um, she has a thirst for vengeance and we have no time to wait around.
44:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have any time.
44:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing, though.
44:57
[SPEAKER_03]: on my other nitpick about dark willow because Sarah, we I have been very crow.
45:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Go break your bad willow please go bad go full bad.
45:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I have been on this train to to in a way for a long time.
45:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a little disappointed that Dark Willow was so robotic, and I know, this is intentional.
45:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think this was like an act.
45:24
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't need like critiquing the actor.
45:26
[SPEAKER_03]: This was intentional.
45:27
[SPEAKER_03]: That like, it feels like she's like dissociated, right?
45:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Like she is so in the dark magic zone, that she is like fully dissociated.
45:36
[SPEAKER_03]: She does the like vampire willow, like bored now,
45:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I just...
45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have preferred if dark willow was so consumed with anger and vengeance that she was on the opposite spectrum of like the emotional thing, right?
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I wanted her to yell and scream and like be so, and obviously everyone reacts.
46:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely to grief, I'm not trying to critique how anyone grieves.
46:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted her to break bad in a way that was like loud and crazy and not so like,
46:13
[SPEAKER_03]: If it like robotic and like reserved and it was a little weird, I just didn't like that choice, well, we have two more episodes.
46:22
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't like start off at like 200 right because then where are you going to go for build to it.
46:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I didn't mind it, and I honestly think that if you didn't, like, how it was being portrayed, then, like, Mayor argue that it might have been an Allison Hannigan.
46:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think they told her to do it this way.
46:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm not saying, like, I'm saying she probably was given the instruction to act it this way.
46:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's it.
46:52
[SPEAKER_03]: What have been in the transcript of, like, Well, let's do this line.
46:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know.
46:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, or she says darkly, um, something.
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this is how she does it because, I don't know.
47:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't, I don't know because this, this works for you.
47:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you love Stark willow through through.
47:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm just being a nitpicky and annoying.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you're being a big ol' crab.
47:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
47:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
47:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked it.
47:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's, sometimes it's more scary for, I mean, let me have an example.
47:31
[SPEAKER_02]: What's more scary?
47:33
[SPEAKER_02]: If your parents screaming at you, or if they're silently disappointed again.
47:39
[SPEAKER_02]: That was always the worst when my mom was so mad that she was quiet.
47:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You're here then her like acting big and like going I under like I can see like oh, maybe you want like a little bit more grit But once again, like do I think that Alice and Hannah can can pull it off.
47:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
48:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I might be sure.
48:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
48:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Hannah, um, obviously you know where it's going in the next two plus episodes were assuming that by the end of the season she's no longer dark willow because we can't have nice things and if we're going to carry over a bad guy from season season like why couldn't we have glory?
48:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So like let's just see the next two episodes.
48:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Glory, come shack, pair us up with Dark Willow together.
48:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Please, like, let's be in the coming world of dark and green.
48:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love the dream.
48:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, what is your question for me?
48:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess my question is, like, from your recollection, like, were you excited about this?
48:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Does this work for you?
48:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this immediate portrayal is,
48:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
48:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember my first watch of this, but I think the reason it works is because she, you know, if we're going with the metaphor of addiction and whatever, she's avoiding something, right?
49:05
[SPEAKER_04]: She's not feeling her sadness.
49:08
[SPEAKER_04]: She's not weeping and evil because she's not
49:10
[SPEAKER_04]: she's choosing not to feel it and cover it up with vengeance and anger, right?
49:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think the reason it works for me is because you know that below the surface is grief, but she's pushing it down with dark magic and I think that's why it works for me.
49:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, you know, without, you know, not a spoiler, I think because we see this, you know, you gotta let the things build a little bit.
49:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to talk about her ripping skin off.
49:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that happens.
49:40
[SPEAKER_03]: That was crazy.
49:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
49:42
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is is like, yeah, I,
49:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I just set up who I wanted Dark Willow to be in my head and I have been very adamant, I think through this entire show of like I like my villains to enjoy their villainy like I like them to revel in being naughty and so like and and I very much been very staunch on the magic as drugs does not work for me at all and so this feels like a continuation of that in a way that I'm like, okay, like we're doing this again.
50:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it is what it is like at this point they're fully going like full throttle with it, but yeah, that was my only like note on Dark Willow that didn't quite work for me.
50:22
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of it worked like I'm really excited to talk about the whole interaction with Warren, but that was the one thing where I was like, oh, I kind of wish she was a little less.
50:31
[SPEAKER_02]: robotic and again it's I understand that the what they're going for like I get it I think I was just hoping for something else when I pay out of dark will I think like what you're seeing as robotic is like a lack of emotion because she's now allowing herself to feel emotions but it's coming off you as robotic but yeah I think it's you know
50:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's hard, too, because you think of like, you know, a glory is the peak villain loving like glory enjoyed her stuff.
51:02
[SPEAKER_04]: The thing is willow is not happy right now.
51:05
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's sort of joyful, like, you know, glory kind of like playing with her minions and having fun, like, yeah, she wanted to go home, but she like reveled in it.
51:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is is grief.
51:19
[SPEAKER_04]: being suppressed by anger, right?
51:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is why this season is just such a bummer, because we can't ever have fun with things.
51:28
[SPEAKER_04]: We need everything to be as like a through a lens of grief and sadness, I think that there can be catharsis and fun in the sort of explosion and forgiveness element of season six.
51:43
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I think,
51:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Hoof, yeah, dark with here.
51:50
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys made me through the season when she had sort of stopped doing magic.
51:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You were like, oh, we're not getting dark willow.
51:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And I do think, wow, magic has drugs doesn't fully work for me either.
52:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I definitely think it was like not the metaphor.
52:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I do think of Giles past when he was described as like certain kinds of magic is different than others is, yeah, I'm sort of how I understood it like the tattoo and we can imagine a world in with Giles maybe he didn't skin it guy, but went through a similar, what a ripper yeah.
52:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, in the video I watch with Sarah Z.
52:26
[SPEAKER_04]: She's been as a whole section just thirsting over drials, and I was like, oh, yes, my person, but yeah, that we can imagine that certain types of magic, not all magic, right?
52:37
[SPEAKER_04]: There's different types of magic, can lead to this.
52:40
[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like that is planted early on with the whole Giles Ripper thing, especially since it's Giles who
52:47
[SPEAKER_04]: first sees through willows, air again, and the danger there.
52:51
[SPEAKER_04]: So I actually think some parts of it do work for me.
52:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Not like the full-on addiction when it's too on the nose, when it was just like female empowerment and queerness before, but I think parts of it do work.
53:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think a lot of this was set up.
53:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Buffy feels lonely, most of the seasons leading up to season six.
53:14
[SPEAKER_04]: This is just the deepest it's gotten.
53:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Willow's always had an issue with trying to fix things with magic.
53:19
[SPEAKER_04]: This is just the worst it's gotten.
53:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Zander has always had family issues, commitment issues.
53:26
[SPEAKER_04]: This is just the worst it's gotten.
53:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Onya, I mean, I love onya.
53:31
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I love onya.
53:32
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you want to talk about someone who has done horrible things to people for hundreds of years,
53:38
[SPEAKER_04]: We've never ethically explored that.
53:40
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is the first episode where we're like, what if there's anything she's just human?
53:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's doing it to men.
53:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So I can forgive it a little bit easier.
53:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think it's deserve most of the time.
53:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm just saying all the pieces for season six were in place.
53:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and yes, we just dove in head first.
54:02
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that there are hopeful messages within season six that aren't even in other seasons.
54:10
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm curious when you finish season six, if that perspective will become more clear.
54:16
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think season six is ultimately hopeful.
54:20
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about choosing to forgive and live.
54:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's necessarily a bummer of a message.
54:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
54:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll keep you posted on that.
54:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And no, I know.
54:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I love she's, but I'm sorry you guys.
54:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
54:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew this would be coming.
54:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of Ania, Willow goes to the magic box to get her dark magic.
54:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Because then this is when she becomes dark Willow with her dark hair and her creepy grew eyes that are just so creepy.
54:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hate them.
54:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Her pupils are massive.
54:51
[SPEAKER_03]: She, like, fully uses magic against Agna to stop her, um, which is like, whoa, okay, we're like doing that now, she barges into the hospital for King surgery room, like the operating table and she's like, everybody out, I'm going to remove this bullet with magic and save Buffy's life because magically, oh, well, yeah, magically, uh, that word.
55:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It worked, and she's like, it seems like the reason she does it, and maybe I'm incorrect here.
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, I need her to help me find Warren.
55:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't like very, like, I don't care about my friend.
55:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I just need to find Warren.
55:27
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm like, I think it was both.
55:29
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, this whole surgery thing is such a waste of time.
55:34
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to get on the hunt for Warren, so I am going to, like, fix you right up.
55:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been looking for a healer for a really long time.
55:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad that we got some some sort of healing.
55:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And she, she, yeah, we don't have time for your surgery, Buffy, please.
55:53
[SPEAKER_03]: No, like get better soon.
55:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And she had time to change into her dark outfit, though, which I thought was actually a way.
56:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I think so funny.
56:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, maybe this is one step further.
56:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll wait.
56:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's funny where she goes to hide.
56:07
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the dorm room in a college campus later in the episode and you can just imagine so when doing their homework next door and she's like raising the blood.
56:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, it's a lot, um, especially because I like the shenanigans.
56:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:22
[SPEAKER_03]: She like gets zander and buffy in the car.
56:25
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, she's literally in the back seat.
56:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, we don't like that you're doing magic.
56:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's not good.
56:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, yeah, how are you like this?
56:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And she, like, back seat drives in the most intense way possible.
56:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, girl, you should have just gotten in the driver seat.
56:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why are you leaving in the
56:45
[SPEAKER_04]: She basically waymo's it.
56:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she does waymo it.
56:50
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks so funny to me.
56:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I am the ultimate passenger princess.
56:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand.
56:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to drive either.
56:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but you want to control the pedals.
56:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I want you to get me there soon, so I can get out of the car.
57:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm forgetting our stick snack patty, what I said, Bucky's like, I need to go.
57:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
57:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So they find the bus that they think Warren is on.
57:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It turns out it's a robot Warren obviously because we've seen him make, you know, look like robots before.
57:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
57:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Good trick.
57:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Good trick.
57:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Good trick.
57:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Good tricky trick.
57:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
57:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is when Willow and Buffy and Zander kind of get into a little bit of a tiff because they don't yet know that Tara is dead.
57:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And you mean, hey, nobody's like, hey, like, remember that time that you watched out of the house and you were covered in blood, like, and by the way, like, is where's Tara at the moment?
57:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, nobody thinks about her.
57:50
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no one thinks about her.
57:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Willow says he shot Tara and it's like, yeah, she's dead now, he's dead too.
58:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy tries to convince her, like, listen, you can't do this, like, if you do this, you'll let Warren destroy you.
58:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're lucky in this moment in my opinion.
58:09
[SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, I mean, John feels, yeah.
58:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that Buffy was being a real sour sprout in this moment.
58:20
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's time for revenge.
58:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's fucking go.
58:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy is slayer-splaining a lot this episode, and it's very much like, well, I'm the slayer and in my world, like you don't kill humans because one time faith did that, and it was really bad.
58:38
[SPEAKER_03]: we're only allowed to kill the non-humans.
58:41
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to let our perfect justice system that has never gotten anything wrong to deal with Warren.
58:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We are not allowed to take justice into our own hands, even me, the slayer.
58:53
[SPEAKER_04]: This is classic super hero stuff.
58:56
[SPEAKER_03]: This is in its last bullshit, Hannah.
58:58
[SPEAKER_03]: We all know that it is killing the bad guy.
59:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic.
59:01
[SPEAKER_04]: This is classic superhero conundrums.
59:04
[SPEAKER_04]: If you start killing people, you become the evil you're fighting.
59:08
[SPEAKER_04]: This is with great horror films.
59:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's possible.
59:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
59:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
59:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Buffy is a superhero show sometimes.
59:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And Buffy is a superhero sometimes.
59:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
59:20
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think what's interesting is that, like,
59:24
[SPEAKER_03]: But Buffy, in this scene where it is Buffy's inner and Willow, is very much like you can't do this because you will not come back from it and send her agrees, right?
59:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the magic's too strong, you're not going to come back from it.
59:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we'll handle this together.
59:41
[SPEAKER_03]: That is like they are joining forces to be like, please, Willow, don't do this.
59:45
[SPEAKER_03]: We care about you.
59:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's interesting that in the scene later, when they're with Dawn and like talking
59:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Xander is almost now on the side of like, if he dies, he dies.
59:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't care.
59:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to help Willow, but I do not care about this man.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that was really interesting.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think he cares about saving Willow from herself.
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is clear.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he doesn't care about whether she kills Warren or not.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and he knows though that if Willow kills Warren,
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_04]: can she come back from that?
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't know.
1:00:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's pretty.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
1:00:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, zanders long speeches to the various women at different times.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_04]: And always me, I do think like the love he has for his two friends is very clear.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_04]: His two friends and nobody else.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody else fucked them.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_03]: He even looked
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Judgment towards Agna when Agna's like, oh, I can sense her vengeance.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh, that's just like, you're down.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, bitch, you don't need her right now.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_03]: So you shut your mouth now.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved the scene when Agna was like, when do you think?
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, you know, good.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And my god, when do you get in the end?
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Agna looked really pretty today.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked her blonde pony.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It works for me.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It works for me.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
1:01:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I think I'm on team.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's kill that man's ass.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
1:01:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's welcome any women does he have to assault how many people have to die before we take matters into our own hits.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_03]: This man has how many of his resources?
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_03]: How many chase banks have to get broken into?
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_03]: What about this?
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_03]: How much
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the only good thing that this man does is give life to robots and everybody knows that I respect robots So you were speak long said on this long said I respect robots And when they take over the world, I want them to know that they just why do you think my closest survivor friend is Christian ubiquity Exactly, you're ready We'll have an end Oh my god, and she could hook us up.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_03]: We're a set.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're okay
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_02]: There's hundreds of hours of you talking shit about those robots.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's me and your dooms.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm staying.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if it's the dinosaurs versus the robots, then I feel very content with my selection of what team I'm on.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, I think the robots can kill dinosaurs.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever seen a T-Rex?
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you're going to throw it at the finest tourists come back now.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, she would be dead instantly.
1:02:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Dinosaur is so bad.
1:02:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they've never done anything to you.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess they have they existed in their ugly.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, anyway.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anyway.
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, there's a lot of like, uh, morality speaking about Warren, but either way, Willow poops.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Willow's like piece I'm out of here, poofs on out, love that for her.
1:03:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We love her magic.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been saying this ever since the beginning of the season, red decorated the rooms.
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You were like, yes, girl, queen.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the elevation of like what she can do as well.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Will have a wonderful, I love it.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she said to Giles, how fucking dare you talk to me that way, but you better know what you're talking to because I have power.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I got the magic with the, with the ICK, with the ICK.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_03]: magic without it, not this show.
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So Willow does eventually find Warren because she uses blood magic on a shirt to get to him.
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_03]: She finds Matt again in the dorm room.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't know where Willow is.
1:03:48
[SPEAKER_04]: She's just in a dorm room.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_04]: They show the actual college.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It has to be Tara's dorm room.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I must sniff Tara's.
1:04:00
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like a bloodhound.
1:04:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm mentionables for the men's.
1:04:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was gonna do the wrong mentionables is so much worse than saying like underwear for me.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I was just talking about, I don't know.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you just shirt, you could say shirt, you know, it's like unmentionables.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_02]: She needs to be in the place of love to do her bloodbathwork.
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_03]: She finds a map to war and she hunts him down.
1:04:28
[SPEAKER_03]: They're in like the woods, just vague woods.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And he has like all these little trickadus from Rack.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_03]: That don't work because Willow is too powerful for them.
1:04:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He tries to entrap her in goo.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't work, has a little robot thing.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't work.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a robot thing.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an explosive snitch.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And it didn't work.
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a snitch.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw those wings.
1:04:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a snitch.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a snitch.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was.
1:04:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, it is kind of amazing in an episode titled, like, villains, how Warren sees himself as this big villain.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just pathetic.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_04]: The whole time.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_04]: But everyone's in that way that that his violence against
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_04]: the women, right?
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_04]: It didn't make him a villain.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's not the villain in villains, you know?
1:05:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, yes, the explosive snitch.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so incredible.
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_03]: She ties him up.
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like playing with her food kind of like she realizes that Tara wasn't the only person he's killed.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So she brings in a
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he, she knows that like the reason he killed Katrina was because he wanted power over her, um, meanwhile, Ania is leading the other Scoobies to try to find Willow using her vengeance magic.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and Willow is like, you know what, you're a little bit.
1:05:57
[SPEAKER_03]: She's going to feel what Terra felt.
1:05:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So she gets the tiny bullet that she pulled out of Buffy's chest.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And she starts pushing it into his chest.
1:06:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and when she, he's screaming, she literally soes his lips shut, and this is what I was in.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like I've complained about robot, uh, robot dark willow, but I was like, guests more men need to have their lips sewn shut.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_03]: This was incredible.
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I adored this.
1:06:24
[SPEAKER_03]: It was sick and twisted in like a very fun way.
1:06:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I was here for this.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's fair.
1:06:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so scary, but you're not afraid of
1:06:44
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the nightmare Christmas?
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't like it.
1:06:48
[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird.
1:06:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the claymations stuff.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And you've never seen it though.
1:06:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I have.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I've watched it.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you watched it.
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't write it really like it.
1:06:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I try not to tell people because they love it.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel bad.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_02]: You happen in the last five years, then.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, it definitely happened in the last five.
1:07:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like last couple of years.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't like it.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like claymation.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like the guy who makes those movies and all his movies are like that.
1:07:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And they weird me out.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_03]: as Tim Burton.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He's weird and I can't, I don't know, it's on my thing.
1:07:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not for me.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Coraline, Hannah, what did you think of the slow penetration of the bullet and lip-sone shut?
1:07:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, it's fascinating seeing what y'all are like on board with,
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_03]: We're complicated people, Hannah.
1:07:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_03]: This is like, no, I'd be really into like me being like, yeah, jiles, make sure you sprinkle glory slash, what's the space, like I was like, yeah, some other in, yeah.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, this started out as a high school monster the week show.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're in a season where like the nerdy sidekick is Sewig, a man's mouth shut.
1:08:09
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, they fucked a house down this season.
1:08:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I just you have to appreciate what season six brings and it's madness.
1:08:18
[SPEAKER_04]: It is just yeah, that was this season.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_03]: They also have the sad dumpster sex the season though.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, well, you know,
1:08:31
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, trying to, no one else is willing to pay rent.
1:08:37
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really annoying.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a bummer.
1:08:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Capitalism is an enemy this season, capitalism and misogyny.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, these are the real bad guys and we're in it.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_04]: No, this is it.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a grotesque visual, the whole thing, the skinning of the, they really, yeah, oh, yeah.
1:08:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we're really in it now.
1:09:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I enjoyed it because this was like, this was the bad that I wanted Willow to be, was I wanted her to like, not hold back.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I did really enjoy her saying like I don't understand why someone like Tara has to die and you get to live.
1:09:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that doesn't make sense to me because like that is grief in a nutshell, right?
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially when it comes to.
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, like he killed her.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to like tear a die from like some weird strange accident, a car accident, whatever, someone is at fault, and he is that someone, and so like I feel like that is so fair in legitimate for her to feel that way, that like it is not fair that she is gone when she was literally the light, like my world, she is gone.
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_03]: You are still here and you're oh, she got some a waste.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt, this was the most I felt that Willow was actually like leaning into the feelings in a way that I like very much appreciated and enjoyed watching because it felt just like very, very real, very visceral, you know.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really great scene and like the skin thing was like horrific and like the best way.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just really think like the season snowballs into this.
1:10:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't think in a lighter season, this is kind of woven in as smoothly.
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know this season can be a bummer, but I mean, and again, I will not and do not defend some of the choices this season.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we can get the growth and the darkness out some of the choices.
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_04]: With that said, I just think like, this is such a season six scene.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's gross and it's grotesque and it's angry.
1:11:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, I just think of like Willow in high school like spinning a pencil and we go from that to this.
1:11:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know, that's why I just this shows an experience.
1:11:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I think a lot of the season is more uncomfortable because it feels more familiar to our world, you know, it's not the master.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not used to old vampires in a cave, you know, angel.
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Daddyfams, you know, Angel had a bit of the, you sleep with your boyfriend and he changes his personality theme, but it was different.
1:11:46
[SPEAKER_04]: You had, you know, big, big snake in the master, but this scene is just like you have to sit with these like,
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_04]: This guy, Warren, who hates women, it's like very uncomfortable.
1:11:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So, any tries to manipulate Willow, like he's like he tries with like the begging and pleading and saying he was wrong, then he takes a different tactic of, do you see your friends over there?
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're going to catch you and your your friends, you're going to lose them.
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And he like he's trying anything, right?
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And Willow just does the
1:12:17
[SPEAKER_03]: rips his skin off in like a single piece in front of the scoobies who are like, what did you just do?
1:12:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And she just says one down and she poofs again away.
1:12:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, be poofs away.
1:12:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I still thought the whole bag of tricks that Warren throws at her like the silver snitch was such a cool way to see how powerful she is right now.
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Like they're showing us like
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you can't explode her.
1:12:45
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no, remember that weird robot do that angels, your sylens, spike put together and they just blew up?
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't blow her up.
1:12:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't go her.
1:12:57
[SPEAKER_04]: No, she's gonna, she can't stop.
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you, what did you think to the accent the back?
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you think she was gonna be more down for the count?
1:13:03
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_03]: No, the ass in the back.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_04]: What the, the ax, the ax.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the ax.
1:13:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were saying that you had junk in the trunk.
1:13:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
1:13:22
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, she's powerless.
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_04]: She's badass.
1:13:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm following on this version of Dark Willow.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very excited to see how this is going to escalate and how she's going to take down Jonathan.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, take down Jonathan and Andrew, whose name I'll literally never remember.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Because listen, if this show saved Jonathan again,
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I know they're going to and I'm preemptively irritated by it.
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like I just know it's going to happen because I want all three of these men dead and I'm not going to apologize for saying that because there are some people who just don't deserve to have good things and those to run the list that don't deserve good things.
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Hannah, have we seen Jonathan every season?
1:14:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is it.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he started in season two.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Johnathan was first in season two, but let me start when I think he's going to be in, I think he's been in every year since then.
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, he first appeared season two episode four income money girl.
1:14:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was right about season two.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, we obviously got the big one, which was postponed due to due to actual mass shootings.
1:14:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Um,
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_04]: that we had his magic episode, yeah, I mean, I mean, Jonathan's kind of a tragic character, right?
1:14:40
[SPEAKER_04]: He has the makings of someone who I know you're making a face just for those listening, but he has the makings of someone who could be sympathetic, right, in a different world.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone who like feels like an outsider, feels nerdy, just wants to fit in, but constantly
1:14:59
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the patty is on.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like I really don't have a ton of respect for this sort of a person who like is like I've had a tough time so I am then going to like do really really awful things in retaliation because it's just like
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, we've all been through shit.
1:15:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we've all had bad stuff.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we've got to do.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we've got to do.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_04]: You're quoting her in that episode.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like, yeah, if we don't in pain, especially everyone in the high school like I like everyone in high school is going through it.
1:15:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And no matter what I mean, even someone who's like super popular is probably going through something.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_04]: That's like Buffy told him that the opportunity to choose a better path.
1:15:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:15:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so yeah, we'll see what happens with Jonathan, but probably he's not going to die and I'll be annoyed.
1:15:45
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know what, it's fine.
1:15:47
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see what happens.
1:15:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we have to talk about Cori Scorner.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, we have to do a brief Cori Scorner.
1:15:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready.
1:15:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I watched it.
1:15:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, watch the episode.
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you hear?
1:15:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't con her slash Steven.
1:15:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I just want the context again.
1:16:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't watch Angel.
1:16:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I have seen recaps of a certain amount of Angel.
1:16:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I have one spoiler, which I will not obviously spoil about this Connor character that is so weird and perverse.
1:16:15
[SPEAKER_02]: That you go mute.
1:16:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're in worse than you cannot even me almost say it.
1:16:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, you're back Can't get into it.
1:16:26
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll get there eventually.
1:16:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I watch this episode and I was just like first of all What the heck is going on in this alternative world?
1:16:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I've been keeping up with Angel through your description so the episodes which I thought are bonkers already But I think the actual show might be more bonkers
1:16:45
[SPEAKER_03]: it's a pretty wild show like it we really are picking up exactly where we left off with like Connor slash Steven and like Angel is like we gotta go find him.
1:16:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He's my son.
1:16:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Steven, why is his name Steven and not because of his name because when
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_03]: the guy that is in like the final scene holds when he stole baby Connor he was like I'm naming him Stephen like it was we knew that he had named okay so that's why we know when he calls himself Stephen it's like oh it's because of holds.
1:17:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like, oh, like, that's who he actually considers his father not angel.
1:17:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Sarah, this, and we did joke about this last episode about him being like Peter Pan, George of the jungle.
1:17:29
[SPEAKER_03]: His character is so George of the jungle.
1:17:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like literally he's like doesn't know what a spoon is.
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
1:17:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's George.
1:17:36
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like so lost.
1:17:37
[SPEAKER_03]: You have a seat, Georgia, the jungle.
1:17:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, Hannah.
1:17:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Hannah, Georgia of the jungle is a 1997 classic family comedy written for free.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yes.
1:17:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And Leslie, man, it is iconic.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_03]: It is hilarious.
1:17:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, it is like a Tarzan sort of situation where a man who's like going up in the jungle is in civilization and he's learning how to live.
1:17:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it is so George of the jungle coded and he like meets a girl, she uses drugs.
1:18:07
[SPEAKER_03]: She calls it her medicine.
1:18:09
[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks it's real medicine.
1:18:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a whole thing.
1:18:12
[SPEAKER_03]: She dies.
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He literally cuts off someone's ear and then remember him.
1:18:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, my only takeaway about Connor Steven is that it's nice to see that, uh, genetics really do, uh, nature versus nurture, because Connor too has the, I must save the women complex.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_02]: On dams one device.
1:18:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:18:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs to save a dams only.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I was constantly.
1:18:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Why does he just he can you clarify this for me?
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe as a new angel watcher.
1:18:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Conksions have some super powers.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_04]: And they like it doesn't just seem we don't know.
1:18:50
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's karate.
1:18:51
[SPEAKER_04]: He's next week like no, some super string.
1:18:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We know he is the product of two vampires, but that he himself was human.
1:19:02
[SPEAKER_03]: One can assume that the fact that he spent all of his life in like a demon dimension, that he somehow acquired some sort of powers.
1:19:11
[SPEAKER_03]: But we don't know why or how, because this is the first time we were seeing him as like a teen adult situation.
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_04]: And who took charisma carpenter piss off in the makeup department?
1:19:25
[SPEAKER_04]: I just like, we have these like, well Fred has these like perfect curls.
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_04]: She's looking great and then it's not even that it's short because I don't mind when the character like Buffy has great short hair Willow does sometimes like why is it like streaked?
1:19:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean it looks like John and Kate plus eight hairdo.
1:19:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It does.
1:19:44
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I said it looks horrible.
1:19:47
[SPEAKER_03]: It is offensive to my soul when she is like 24, right?
1:19:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I said this in the early seasons that I always felt like they dressed her like a real term in like in a bad way, like in a way that she's like they're adding like 30 years to hold she actually is.
1:20:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I hate this haircut.
1:20:07
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks horrible.
1:20:08
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like trying to make groove feel better this episode because he's obviously feeling some sort of way about her constantly talking about Angel.
1:20:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So she tries to kiss him, but like literally the gods and the zappies are like absolutely not you're not going to kiss this man with the weird pupils.
1:20:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Get away from each other.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see what happens there.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, every time he said my princess and I know it's some pylia.
1:20:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say you said reference.
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it felt like one of those couples where you're like I don't want it.
1:20:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to double day with them.
1:20:35
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just weird.
1:20:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, lady.
1:20:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's awful.
1:20:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He keeps going my princess.
1:20:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I must do I'm just like
1:20:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't she would never in high school.
1:20:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I gag, but I'm also the person who doesn't do pet names and if someone ever did a pet name with me, I would literally kill them.
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so Princess is another one that I can't with.
1:20:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this doesn't work for me.
1:20:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, that's pretty much everything that happens this episode, like Angel eventually does find Connor Connor is like pissed off and oh, you're not my you're not my real dad.
1:21:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he like says he did come here to find his dad, but then he does find halt to the end of the episode.
1:21:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So like.
1:21:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever is going to happen, we'll see.
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_03]: But like that's the situation.
1:21:23
[SPEAKER_03]: The side note is that Wesley gets approached by Lila to come work verbal from her and her because she's basically like, um, you're basically Judas now, like you can't deny me anymore.
1:21:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so whatever, like kind of who cares, we'll see what happens there.
1:21:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That's whatever.
1:21:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Angel is angeling as usual.
1:21:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess is that the, the, the, the, the,
1:21:40
[SPEAKER_04]: You just, if, if I feel like the men are having too much growth on female pain in buffy, angels just seems like it's the whole jam, it's just, I just like, like, how much pain can we put women through so that these men can grow up?
1:21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, including courier's here.
1:21:58
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sorry if it makes people mad that I love season 6 and don't like angels.
1:22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, we constantly should on Angel.
1:22:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So like it's fine.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we are queen.
1:22:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
1:22:11
[SPEAKER_04]: As Matt is you guys get about season six of Buffy, I know at least you'll be an anchor in an Angel.
1:22:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:22:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, Sarah, we did get an email, a very side note as we're wrapping things up here from Tiffany asking off-campus coverage.
1:22:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I know the show isn't from the 90s or set in the 90s, but it has 90s vibes.
1:22:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that good enough?
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So, which I say, I haven't seen it.
1:22:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Friend of the podcast, Tom Palmer loves off-campus.
1:22:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It's on my list of things to watch.
1:22:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now, I'm currently in a summer house binge, so I'll get back to you when I finish all of those seasons and maybe I'll watch off-campus.
1:22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I haven't invested my time in this like sludgy hockey stuff, but oh, it's hockey.
1:22:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really talk.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's hockey.
1:22:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it reheating heated rival always not chose what's happening?
1:23:00
[SPEAKER_02]: off campus.
1:23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, it's hockey is hockey romance more hot.
1:23:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it is hockey.
1:23:06
[SPEAKER_03]: There's more hockey romance.
1:23:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, unexpected love story between a musician, a music student, and the university star hockey player.
1:23:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, we really are loving hockey like this.
1:23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hockey is the new thing.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the new one.
1:23:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:23:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I will check it out.
1:23:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
1:23:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, that's pretty much it for, for Buffy and, and Angel.
1:23:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Sarah, would you like to know next week's episode titles?
1:23:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:23:32
[SPEAKER_03]: We're heading into the penultimate episode of Buffy for season six.
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Two to go.
1:23:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm cool.
1:23:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:23:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Kill Jonathan and Andrew.
1:23:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Woo.
1:23:43
[SPEAKER_03]: We're so bad.
1:23:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:23:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Two to two.
1:23:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all bored this train.
1:23:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and then Angel is season three episode 21 benediction.
1:23:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what is with the titles?
1:23:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Quick little Google, a short invocation or prayer for divine blessing and guidance.
1:24:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I don't feel bad for not knowing that word.
1:24:02
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
1:24:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's very good.
1:24:05
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, more Connor, Hannah, did you do you like Mad Men or have you seen Mad Men?
1:24:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, this is so funny, because I was telling Jess, I have watched so much madmen analysis, like hours, like I know the costumes, every character, main character, I've watched deep dives of, um, I could, I can really talk madmen.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I have not seen the show.
1:24:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I just love the vibe.
1:24:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I love deep dives.
1:24:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Why?
1:24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just complaining about P Campbell again.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very fun because I am in because of season next.
1:24:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I am in season five of Madman.
1:24:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't finished it yet.
1:24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So I haven't seen all of it yet, but notorious Pete Hader.
1:24:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate how he treats Trudy.
1:24:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you dare do my Queen Allison.
1:24:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Breathe like that.
1:24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Like she is a gem in the star and I'll lovely lovely lady and don't you dare.
1:24:55
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's always on my degree.
1:24:57
[SPEAKER_04]: But don't you think in some ways Pete Campbell is sort of the every man?
1:25:02
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I watched, like, a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and a hat and
1:25:30
[SPEAKER_03]: whether that's true, I don't know.
1:25:32
[SPEAKER_03]: It also gives, okay, not George of the jungle.
1:25:34
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the other one?
1:25:35
[SPEAKER_03]: From jungle to jungle.
1:25:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember that movie with talent?
1:25:42
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
1:25:43
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a movie in the face.
1:25:44
[SPEAKER_02]: A cover.
1:25:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there was a movie and I think it's called that.
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, does he think that spoons are just for drugs?
1:25:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, because he tried to eat with the spoon and she was like, yeah, she was like, no, this is my drug spoon.
1:25:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
1:25:59
[SPEAKER_03]: He's in very rude awakening if he tries to like eat soup, I guess.
1:26:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he couldn't use a spoon, but like he knew how to jump on a bus.
1:26:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It was wild.
1:26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, weird skills.
1:26:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, yeah, more from him more from him next episode.
1:26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we'll check in with a check in with a little Pete Campbell.
1:26:19
[SPEAKER_03]: wild Pete Campbell next episode.
1:26:22
[SPEAKER_03]: But thank you so much for coming on Hannah.
1:26:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you did a very good job of saying your piece about season six and representing all the season six lovers out there.
1:26:31
[SPEAKER_04]: No, thank you for having me.
1:26:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry if I interrupted it all.
1:26:34
[SPEAKER_04]: My microphone and sound has been a menace.
1:26:39
[SPEAKER_04]: But I really appreciate you hearing my perspective.
1:26:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I
1:26:44
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's got, it's so wild season of television.
1:26:50
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I guess, you know, like it really, I think I relate to it more a different times in my life.
1:26:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't know if this watch was the same of as, like, times in my life that maybe I was struggling more with mental health and I turned it on and I just felt that that that the journey of season six really helped, you know,
1:27:15
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, I knew when I said season six with my favorite season, when I came on for the first Oz wear wolf in the season two, I was sort of laughing to myself because I just thought,
1:27:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Y'all are going to have some opinions because whenever you had an opinion of like I can't believe this character did that, I was just like wait until season six because any bad behavior from every character is exasperated.
1:27:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Like Buffy is as isolationist as ever, which is always a thing she deals with.
1:27:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Zander is
1:27:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Uncommunicative and immature willow is avoidant in arrogant Tara is perfect.
1:28:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I love her.
1:28:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:28:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:28:03
[SPEAKER_04]: No, this is this is rough, but you guys are almost you all you're almost through season six.
1:28:09
[SPEAKER_04]: I must do it.
1:28:10
[SPEAKER_04]: You have a little bit.
1:28:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so yeah, we'll see what happens next morning, go to go to to go as the title says I can't wait.
1:28:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to get into it, but yeah, that's about everything we have going on.
1:28:24
[SPEAKER_03]: So make sure you're listening and we'll check in next week on Buffy until then everyone here and it's the lesson.