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  Speaker 1: Is the reform it.
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  Speaker 2: The Aveneazy Government's Royal Commission into Antisemitism open today and
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked worse than I'd expected, and by far
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  Speaker 2: that hostile welcome to country ceremony and the reaction of
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  Speaker 2: the Royal Commission of Virginia bell to it before I
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  Speaker 2: show it to you some vital background after the horrific
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  Speaker 2: Bondoi messacre of Jews, this Royal Commission should be examining
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  Speaker 2: the dangerous tribalizing now of Australians, the race politics that's
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  Speaker 2: dividing us into tribes and turning us against each other.
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  Speaker 2: And another thing is how radical anti Israel protests have
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  Speaker 2: very deliberately united with Aboriginal activists to make common cause
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  Speaker 2: against allegedly colonial powers Israel and Australia, as well as
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  Speaker 2: spreading their top against Israel hate. It's very successful, very dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: The parallels between what happened here and what happened in
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  Speaker 3: Palestine are absolutely always.
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  Speaker 1: Was always well be.
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  Speaker 3: From the river to the sea.
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  Speaker 2: We share one fight to three and communities. Israel has
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  Speaker 2: no right to exist.
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  Speaker 4: Polstine has every right to resist any means.
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  Speaker 5: Finish offer your champ.
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  Speaker 4: We've got the black imaginian damn back literation and colonial occupation.
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  Speaker 3: And if I have to burn down Parliament House to
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  Speaker 3: make a point, and I'm there to free.
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  Speaker 6: Palistine from the river.
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  Speaker 3: Really see.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's the background. So it was so reckless to
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  Speaker 2: start this Royal Commission into Anti Semitism with this very
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  Speaker 2: angry non welcome praising Aborigines who also waged war for
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  Speaker 2: their alleged sovereignty against they're alleged colonizers and accusing them
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  Speaker 2: of alleged atrocities.
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  Speaker 6: Given the circumstances what occurred in December, it means that
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  Speaker 6: sorrow and business is part of the way of life
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  Speaker 6: as we see in Australia. But also I want to
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  Speaker 6: acknowledge our greatest warriors Pamoy, Bangaroo, Mosquito and wind Denied.
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  Speaker 6: These are our legendary warriors who fought for this country.
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  Speaker 6: And welcome country is about talking about their relationship to
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  Speaker 6: the land, in particular when them tourships came through Sydney
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  Speaker 6: Harbor in seventeen seventy. We're still fighting for our land rights,
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  Speaker 6: We're still fighting for our sovereignty because we never signed
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  Speaker 6: a piece of paper to say we're giving up this
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  Speaker 6: land and we know that atrocities have been committed against us,
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  Speaker 6: and we still wanting a reckoning. Like yourselves. You're finding
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  Speaker 6: a reckoning and a solution to the problems we faced
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  Speaker 6: every day since seventeen seventy about Australians respecting us and
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  Speaker 6: Australians respecting all of us.
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  Speaker 2: Now. I don't know if that man Alan Murray meant
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  Speaker 2: to draw the same incendiary analogy between Aboriginal fighters and hamas,
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  Speaker 2: and between oppressive Australia and oppressive Israel, but I guarantee
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  Speaker 2: that many activists watching would have, and even presuming that
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  Speaker 2: Murray intended no such thing, How on earth was that
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  Speaker 2: a welcome to the rest of us, to this country
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  Speaker 2: we all call home? And how appropriate was it to
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  Speaker 2: hijack this Royal Commission as a jew hadred but listening
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  Speaker 2: his own grievances against non Aboriginal Australians. All that was
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  Speaker 2: appalling enough, and evidence that Aboriginal activism is crossing a
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  Speaker 2: very dangerous line, nurse unappeasable grievances and celebrating warfare. But
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  Speaker 2: now listen to how the Royal Commissioner responded to this
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  Speaker 2: farce of a welcome.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you for that, a warm inclusive and empathetic welcome
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  Speaker 7: to country.
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  Speaker 2: Warm, inclusive and empathetic. Which person with ears to hear
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  Speaker 2: would hear that hostile and inflammatory tribal diatribe. I think
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  Speaker 2: they'd been given a warm and inclusive and empathetic welcome
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  Speaker 2: to their country. You wait until Virginia Bell hears from
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel witnesses repeating their obscene and hysterical claims that
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  Speaker 2: Israel's are racist and genocidal, child murdering tyranny. Oh is
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  Speaker 2: that barely disguised due hatred or inclusive and empathetic responses?
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  Speaker 2: Now that is the start of this royal commission. I
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  Speaker 2: fear the end just quickly. If you want to fight
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  Speaker 2: the rise of Pauline Hanson in one nation, there are
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  Speaker 2: plenty of legitimate avenues of attack. You know, how practical
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  Speaker 2: a Hanson's policies? How much will their costs? Who are
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  Speaker 2: a candidates issue? Too abrasive? And on? But what I
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  Speaker 2: keep hearing instead are lazy misrepresentations and spears. But this
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  Speaker 2: last nighte a media watch the ABC claiming Hanson's comments
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  Speaker 2: and abortion were a distortion of the truth. Her remarks
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  Speaker 2: written up very diligently in the Brisbane Times The.
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  Speaker 8: Abortion issue is very important to a lot of Australians
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  Speaker 8: and I've actually had my concerns about it greatly, Hanson
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  Speaker 8: told reporters.
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  Speaker 1: But was that all she said?
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  Speaker 3: When you can have an abortion up to the day
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  Speaker 3: before the birth of the child, it is great concern
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  Speaker 3: to a lot of strands, and especially to see those
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  Speaker 3: those children are still alive after an abortion and left
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  Speaker 3: to die without any help or assistance. What have we
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  Speaker 3: come to in this country?
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  Speaker 2: The Brisbane Times omitted at Hanson's inflammatory distortion. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: not here to talk tonight about the morality or otherwise
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  Speaker 2: of late term abortions. I'm talking about the ABC falsely
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  Speaker 2: accusing Hanson of distortion, of telling untruths, when the fact
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  Speaker 2: this is right. It is possible in Australia to get
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  Speaker 2: an abortion until birth, and true it is very rare,
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  Speaker 2: and true you need the permission of two doctors. And
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  Speaker 2: true it's meant to be for medical reasons, although that
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  Speaker 2: includes the gray area of mental health with the mother.
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  Speaker 2: But it does happen in fact, and I hope I
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  Speaker 2: don't upset you by mentioning this too, But some babies
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  Speaker 2: are indeed born alive after an abortion. Again, very rare,
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  Speaker 2: but I've covered coroner's reports on just that happening in
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  Speaker 2: our hospitals. Indeed, only this month there were reports of
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  Speaker 2: another such case in a Queensland hospital this month, the
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  Speaker 2: baby born alive but dying soon afterwards. What is the
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  Speaker 2: ABC trying to do here? Misrepresent Hanson unfairly as an
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  Speaker 2: ignorant anti abortional liar. We'll hide from its viewers the
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  Speaker 2: facts of our abortion laws. Maybe it's both. But if
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  Speaker 2: you need lies to trash paul In Hanson, what does
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  Speaker 2: that say about you and your case? Okay? I with
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  Speaker 2: the bigger news today, the returning Islamic state women, eleven
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  Speaker 2: of them and their children. Today, the Victorian Premier made
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  Speaker 2: clear the public had no right to know if two
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  Speaker 2: thirds of those thirty four people would, as reported, settle
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  Speaker 2: in her state, you know, and send the children to
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  Speaker 2: a school near you.
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  Speaker 7: Now we'll say that our officials are engaged with Commonwealth
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  Speaker 7: officials as is appropriate, but I'm not going to go
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  Speaker 7: into detail of those discussions at this stage because that
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  Speaker 7: would not be appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Slavery governors just so autocratic. Now, Now, last night I
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  Speaker 2: showed other children one of the two Syrian cans for
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  Speaker 2: Islamic state refugees like the Australians who are over in
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  Speaker 2: one of them, they were threatened to slip the throats
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  Speaker 2: of Western reporters and pelting them with the rocks. And
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  Speaker 2: I said it was naive for the New Southwest Premier
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  Speaker 2: to say, well, don't worry, our nice schools would help children,
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  Speaker 2: our children astral children from those camps settle in here
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  Speaker 2: and we would.
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  Speaker 5: Make sure that they were within an organization or a group,
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  Speaker 5: or an education or a school that had Australian values.
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  Speaker 2: I said last night, I had little confidence in that,
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  Speaker 2: and I have even less confidence today after one New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales state school teacher popped up on three w
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  Speaker 2: this morning to say, yes, you can trust our schools
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  Speaker 2: to deradicalize these kids.
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  Speaker 4: Because I'm a teacher and I have full confidence in
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  Speaker 4: our well teacher in Sydney, but in our public school
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  Speaker 4: system to educate, to reintegrate and to have them participate
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  Speaker 4: as part of our school communities as part of their
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  Speaker 4: reintegration into Australian society.
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  Speaker 2: Now that teacher is Mark Galdcamp of the Trotskyist Solidarity
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  Speaker 2: Group revolutionary socialists who are anti capitalists. The girl Camp
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  Speaker 2: himself has campaigned for the anti Israel Greens and has
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  Speaker 2: paraded like many state teachers in a Palestine and Kefia
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  Speaker 2: and attended protests against Israel as well, which he falsely
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  Speaker 2: accuses of genocide. And this is one of the teachers
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  Speaker 2: telling us relax, leave these Islamic state children with us.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is our regular Tuesday guest Nationals Matt Senator
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, the former Resources Minister, Matt, great to see
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  Speaker 2: you again. Placing Islamic state children in our state school
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  Speaker 2: seems to be a uniquely bad idea. So what to
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  Speaker 2: do about them?
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  Speaker 8: Well, Andrew, I don't think they should come here. It's
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  Speaker 8: a tough situation. I certainly feel for children place in
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  Speaker 8: these circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: But question here is what is.
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  Speaker 8: Most important, And I believe what is most as important
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  Speaker 8: as protecting the safety of Australians that seems to have
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  Speaker 8: been lost by this labor government. You play the Victorian
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  Speaker 8: government there, but the same is true for the federal
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  Speaker 8: labor government that they are hiding, hiding, hiding more than
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  Speaker 8: an Al Qaeda cell in a set of Afghanistan caves
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  Speaker 8: from the Australian public, Hiding basic details about what they're
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  Speaker 8: doing with these isis brides and there's no particular state
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  Speaker 8: secrets here. There's nothing that's commercial in confidence that they
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  Speaker 8: need to keep from the Australian people. So why might
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  Speaker 8: they just be upfront about what discussions they're having between
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  Speaker 8: state federal governments, other agencies, refugee agencies.
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  Speaker 1: Why is there such secrecy? Clearly the government has something.
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  Speaker 8: To hide, and I think what they do have to
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  Speaker 8: hide is the fact that the Labor Party seems much
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  Speaker 8: more keen to preference the the Free Palestine lobby, the
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  Speaker 8: refugee lobby.
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  Speaker 1: But there's another lobby.
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  Speaker 8: I think that maybe the Labor government should spend time
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  Speaker 8: on their embarrassed that they don't and that's the rest
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  Speaker 8: of us who just want to save Australian Australian's lives lobby.
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  Speaker 8: We just saw people that came to this country who
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  Speaker 8: ultimately killed fifteen innocent people. We have to have standards
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  Speaker 8: on who comes this country, as Angus Taylor has said,
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  Speaker 8: this government doesn't seem to have strong standards in that regard,
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  Speaker 8: and that's presumably why they're hiding so much information from
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  Speaker 8: the Australian public.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Lab's got a long record of that, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean we had back in the Hawk government, we
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  Speaker 2: had Paul Keating and Liam McLay both lobbying to overturn
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  Speaker 2: a decision to evict an Egyptian preacher Shaikhilaley, who was
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  Speaker 2: allowed to stay, that he was going to get evicted
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  Speaker 2: for hate preaching, and went on to say things like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, September eleven attack on a mayor, it was
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  Speaker 2: God's work against the presses and so on and so on.
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  Speaker 2: Has been our supporter, as I've written many times. So
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  Speaker 2: we have now a Royal Commission into anti Semitism that
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  Speaker 2: started today. It opened with a supposed welcome to Australia
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  Speaker 2: that I just showed that praise Aboriginal funders against colonialists,
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  Speaker 2: said Aborigines were still funding for sovereignty, who accused the
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  Speaker 2: country of atrocities and said to be a reckoning. Sounds
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  Speaker 2: a bit like a threat. But the Royal Commissioner praise
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  Speaker 2: it as inclusive and warm. What do you think this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing says about the Royal Commission, or indeed about
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  Speaker 2: Australia itself.
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  Speaker 8: Well, look, I don't want to jump to conclusions here.
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  Speaker 8: I wish the Royal Commissioner her best. I hope we
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  Speaker 8: get to the bottom of exactly how BONDI was allowed
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  Speaker 8: to happen, and most importantly, of course, the whole point
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  Speaker 8: of this exercise should be to make sure it doesn't
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  Speaker 8: happen again. So I'm not particularly sure what relevance welcome
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  Speaker 8: to countries have. Recognizing indigital worries of our past has
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  Speaker 8: to do with getting rid of radical Islam from our
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  Speaker 8: mist in the twenty first century. That's what I want
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  Speaker 8: the Royal Commission to focus on. And I realize, as
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  Speaker 8: the Royal Commission said today, that there's elements of things
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  Speaker 8: she can't yet uncover, particularly those that are going before
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  Speaker 8: a court making sure that the evil person perpetrated these
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  Speaker 8: attacks is brought to justice.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing she could do.
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  Speaker 8: Asap that I'd like to see is for the Royal
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  Speaker 8: Commission to focus on an audit of our migration program.
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  Speaker 8: Why don't they go through in great detail about how
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  Speaker 8: people come to this country. What kind of tests do
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  Speaker 8: we impose on them? Do we go through their social
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  Speaker 8: media in commentary to see if there's someone who hates
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  Speaker 8: our country and maybe shouldn't be made an Australian citizen.
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  Speaker 8: Why don't we do all these things wouldn't be beyond
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  Speaker 8: our purview. I think to do some basic character tests,
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  Speaker 8: some more stringent character tests than what we seem to
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  Speaker 8: do today. To go back to what I was saying
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  Speaker 8: at the start, Andrew, the main goal should be to
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  Speaker 8: keep Australians safe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, except I hear about you know in more the
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  Speaker 2: liberals are saying to more intensive scrutiny of those who
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  Speaker 2: come in. But really I wonder how much value there is.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say, are you going to commit g
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  Speaker 2: hard when you come to Australia. Of course they're going
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  Speaker 2: to say no, they want to come in. Do you
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  Speaker 2: hate Jews? Oh no, no no, But that's not.
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  Speaker 1: What I meant. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 8: I have limited Okay, Well well yeah, well well well
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  Speaker 8: a couple of things, Andrew. One I did I did mention,
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  Speaker 8: although only in passing, is that most people these days
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  Speaker 8: to have a tendency to to post certain things, to
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  Speaker 8: to to write certain things online.
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  Speaker 1: Do we do that? I mean, these are questions I
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  Speaker 1: need to answered. I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: If we do go through someone's social media history before
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  Speaker 8: they become Australian, why shouldn't we The Trump administration has
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  Speaker 8: proposed that before issuing visas. I mean my own party,
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  Speaker 8: andrew my own party to become a member of the
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  Speaker 8: Liberal National Party. They do review your social media history.
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  Speaker 8: We don't want people who don't accord with our values
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  Speaker 8: to join our movement. So that's a basic level of
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  Speaker 8: due diligence that has done. Why isn't that done on
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  Speaker 8: our border because it should be no more important membership
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  Speaker 8: granted from these shores than being the member.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Australian citizenry.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think one of the greatest prizes in life
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  Speaker 8: to be into that club, So it should be stringent
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  Speaker 8: to get into Why can't we do that?
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  Speaker 1: Another thing is why can't we ask for references for people?
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  Speaker 8: Why can't we ask other people in the community what
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  Speaker 8: this person's like.
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  Speaker 1: Who they are.
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  Speaker 8: I know this is very resource intensive, but given what
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  Speaker 8: we've seen at BONDI, given the risk we face, but
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  Speaker 8: we probably do need to apply more resources into who
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  Speaker 8: comes to this country, who's allowed to become Australian. We
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  Speaker 8: probably need to slow the number of people down that
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  Speaker 8: can do that to make sure we test everybody fully
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  Speaker 8: long for that, and I think those standards.
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  Speaker 2: Increase, except, of course, one of the people that paras.
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  Speaker 1: Is not a simple question. It's not a simple question.
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  Speaker 2: So Ashi his father. His father came to Australia from Lebanon,
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  Speaker 2: claiming to be from a referee that he got a
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  Speaker 2: refugee from Christian He was a Christian fleeing persecution. Turned
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  Speaker 2: out he was actually praised by Hamas and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it was Christian at all. Mcanivan, thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for your time after the break. The Epstein scandal
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  Speaker 2: has cost Britain a prince and an ambassador, but who
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  Speaker 2: in America has paid the price. The revelations in the
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  Speaker 2: files of pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein are changing the world.
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  Speaker 2: Well our world, Prime Minis or anything al and easy
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  Speaker 2: today both said he was the first Comewealth leader to
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  Speaker 2: write to Britain's Prime Minister, saying he'd like the former
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  Speaker 2: Prince Andrew to be removed from the line of succession
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  Speaker 2: to the crown. If the families of nephews Prince William
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  Speaker 2: and Harry they had wiped out, Andrew would be next
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  Speaker 2: in line number eight. But Andrew's not the only casualty
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  Speaker 2: of the Epstein files. Britain's former ambassadors to the US,
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  Speaker 2: Lord Peter Mandelson, and Epstein crony pictured in the files
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  Speaker 2: in his underwear, has now been arrested on the same grounds,
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  Speaker 2: suspicion of misconduct in public office for feeding Epstein confidential information.
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  Speaker 2: That's in Britain. But who in the United States is
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  Speaker 2: paying the price of toning up to Epstein? Since President
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump ordered the release of the now dead Pedophiles files.
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  Speaker 2: Join him? Is our Tuesday regular Sean Spicer, Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 2: first White House chiefs oh spokesman, Sorry, Shawn Spice, are
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  Speaker 2: always great to see you. Look, heads are rolling in Britain,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't see quite the same reaction in the US.
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  Speaker 2: You know, r former Treasury Secretary of Larry Summers quitting
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  Speaker 2: for open aiboard. Yes, but not the same big fish.
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  Speaker 2: Even though there was huge prissure in the US on
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  Speaker 2: the President to release these z Epstein files and expose the carerupt,
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  Speaker 2: what's the fall app being Why has it being seemingly
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  Speaker 2: so muted?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you're you're right. I mean you've seen some individuals.
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  Speaker 5: Larry Summers, one of the Pritzker's prominent family in America,
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  Speaker 5: resigned from from their position. There's a casting agency, a
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  Speaker 5: talent agency out in Hollywood, where the gentleman is stepping aside.
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  Speaker 5: There was a chair of a very prominent law firm
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  Speaker 5: called Paul Weiss, he's stepping down. I think one of
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  Speaker 5: the big differences between how we're approaching this and how
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  Speaker 5: say Great Britain, where you've got both Peter Mandelsson and
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  Speaker 5: former Prince Andrew, is look at what the Brits are
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  Speaker 5: going after them on. It's not going after them on
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  Speaker 5: their relationship with Epstein, per se with respect to the
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  Speaker 5: women or in Peter's case, I assume boys. But I
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  Speaker 5: will say it because because it comes down to passing
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  Speaker 5: state secrets in their position of trust within the British government.
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  Speaker 5: You don't have that same accusation over here in the
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  Speaker 5: United States. And what you have is sort of unseemliness,
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  Speaker 5: meaning that there's an association with Jeffrey Ebstein that's unseemly,
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  Speaker 5: that that doesn't look good. But there's a big difference
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  Speaker 5: between being a scumbag and hanging around with scumbags and
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  Speaker 5: breaking the law.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. I mean, the whole thing was
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  Speaker 2: the pressure was, you know, these files would help Trump
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  Speaker 2: drain the swamp. A few people suspected that the swamp
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  Speaker 2: was in the Britain rather than the US. Very interesting, now, Sean,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked before about Donald Trump preparing for war on Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Well at the same time, you know, trying in the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks to negotiate a deal for Around
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  Speaker 2: to give up its nuclear weapons program, cut back on
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  Speaker 2: its holistic missiles, stop killing protesters. Now I've said that
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  Speaker 2: Trump was in fact just buying time military to get
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  Speaker 2: in position for a regime strike. And now the US
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  Speaker 2: has indeed ordered non essential staff to leave its embassy
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  Speaker 2: in Beirut, while Israel to step up bombing in Lebanon.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: His b assets being a huge terrorist group funded by Around,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: threatened to help defend it. I think this is like
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the eve of a strike. What is the plan? Do
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: you think?
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  Speaker 5: Let me just say this on timing, I think that
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: the Iranians caught a break with our state at the
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Union occurring. The President obviously wants to focus tremendously on
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: domestic politics, talk about affordability, the border issues that he
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: campaigned on, and speak to an American audience, and American
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: audiences generally don't have a wide tolerance for foreign policy.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: The bigger issue in Iran, more specifically is is that
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: explaining to people why it's in our national interest is
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: a little bit more complicated than say Venezuela, which you
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: could argue dealt with both oil and drugs coming into
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: our country. With Iran, it does pose a threat and
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: instability in the region, but it's a lot harder of
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: us sell to the American people. Now, getting back to
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: the actual war itself, I think one of the things
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: that I've been saying for weeks now, Andrew, is it's
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: one thing to go in surgically attack military sites, go
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: in bomb government facilities, military facilities, places where you suspect
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: that there might be enrichment of uranium or other nuclear capabilities,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: But it's quite another when you end up taking out
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: a regime. The big debate and you can see this,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: all of our naval assets are outside the area. That's
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: great for dropping bombs from planes, from firing tomahawks from submarines,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: but you don't have a follow on force in place
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: right now. So you know, going in there and having
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: stability after a potential regime change is not something that's
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: in the cards right now, number one militarily, but number
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: two more politically. Donald Trump takes pride in the fact
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: that he ends wars doesn't start them. So I think
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: that's to me the bigger factor in all of this,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: which is I think President Trump is loath to get
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: involved in a sort of military quagmire that could last
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: for years. After campaigning so vigorously, I'm getting out of
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: those kind of situations.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting taking out the leader of Venezuela. It's been
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: almost seamless. The regime keeps going on there but or
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: under a different management. But the oil supplies for once
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: denied to China, and I think the same might happen
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: with Iran. China must be very worried what's happening there. Meanwhile,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: today Sean is the fourth anniversary of Russia's full scale
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine. Donald Trump once promising that war in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a day. He then threatened to cut a too Ukraine
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: if it didn't give into Russian demands. What is his
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: position now.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Well, look, I think that he would like a peaceful settlement,
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: and frankly, to be honest with you, going back to
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: the way I answered the last question, he prides himself
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: on ending wars and he's less concerned with maybe the
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: specifics and the terms, which is what concerns a lot
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: of people, like if he can get what they call
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: a piece, may not be on the best terms for
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: one party or another, but I think that's what concerns
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: a lot of folks. I gotta be honest with the Andrew.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: I think Ukraine is on the back burner significantly between
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Venezuela or Ran. What's going on here domestically, Ukraine is
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: not popping up as an issue. And frankly, I wonder
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: if Russia is playing that game, which is slowly kind
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: of just keep things going where the Ukrainians down buy
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: some more time. But as I've maintained for a while,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I actually think Ukraine, I mean, excuse me, Iran and
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Russia are cut from the same cloth, meaning that I
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: don't think either one of them actually wants a deal.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I think they want to buy time.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That's about it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I suspect and fear that you are absolutely right, Scholan
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: spice to thank you very much for your time. Absolutely
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: good to see it. Today marks four years since Russia
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: launched its sparbaric and unprovoked full scale invasion of Ukraine,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: thinking it all be over in a week or two,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: and at first it did go well for Russia. Russian
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: soldiers reached the outskirts of the capital Kiev, and then
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Ukraine pushed them back, and since then there's been essentially
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a stalemate, with Russia making only tiny gains and a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: horrific costs with human wave of attacks. But Ukraine this
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: month pushed back, recapturing four hundred square kilometers. So who
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: is winning, well, no one really. Russia suffered one point
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: two million casualties according to the Center for Strategic and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: International Studies, up to three hundred and twenty five thousand
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: dead plus wounded plus missing. Ukraine's casualties are estimatedly about
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: half that, but it adds less than a third of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Russia's population are drawn for replacements, and then you've got
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to add all the Ukrainian civilians at Russia's skill. So
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: basically it is a horror. Ukraine can't surrender and Russi
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: tyrant Vladimir Putin can't afford to look like it's failed,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and it's got China backing him up. If only the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Ukrainians got more help from the US and Europe. But
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: how long before the penny drops that Russia can and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: must be crushed? And I did hear the Ukrainian ambassador
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: today say can Australia please restore the funding to Ukraine
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that we gave two years ago? I think he said
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: two million dollars now it's down a quarter of that. Honestly,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: this is a fight for democracy freedom in the West.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: There really is. It's not just rhetoric. That's it from me.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It's a short show because up next this is our
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Sky News documentary Bonda, A Timeline of Terror, presented by
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Sharry Marksen for me, good night,