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Camille Kampouris: Producer Of ‘Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Spy, Assassin’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  It has captured the nation's imagination lately.
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  Ray, every reason is a rare commodity.
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  You will go to England as I spy.
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  What good is the church?
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  If it doesn't speak for the victims of the state.
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  The church's job is to kindle peace peacefully.
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  Are you excited?
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  I need you to understand that your life will not be the same after I speak these words.
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  We have devised a plot to assassinate the Fuhrer.
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  Guide our hands.
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  Guide our trembling hands.
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  God and Germany, a true slave of God!
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  Our silence, in the face of evil, is itself evil.
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  Words aren't words anymore, Dietrich.
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  Danoses bullets.
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  This is a trigger that cannot be unpolished.
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  We are God to forgive us if we do this.
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  We're living for us if we don't.
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  Hey friends, God bless you.
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  Thank you for tuning in.
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  And if you have not yet seen that film, Bonhoeffer, is phenomenal.
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  Pastor, spy, assassin, Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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  A couple of famous quotes by him.
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  One act of obedience is worth 100 sermons.
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  And one of my favorites, silence in the face of evil, is itself evil.
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  Not to speak, is to speak.
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  We are blessed to have one of the producers of that film.
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  Camille Comporis with us today.
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  And I watched it.
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  It is riveting.
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  It is so well done.
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  And I just want to bring her on right now.
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  I don't want to waste any time, Jeff.
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  Let's see Camille, welcome to World View Matter.
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  So good to see you.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  Well, thank you for having me, David.
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  It's a pleasure for us to talk about this film.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  So we'll talk a little bit about your background in a minute.
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  But wow, this was such, it was so well done.
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  And so powerful, of course, his story is riveting.
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  His story is provocative.
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  His story is controversial.
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  And just his influence.
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  Speak a little bit about how you and your husband, Emmanuel,
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  how you got involved with producing and how this project came to be
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  something you guys would work on together.
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  Well, we didn't set out to become producers.
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  We read a book, a biography in 2010, and inspired us.
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  And we kind of watched for a movie.
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  And it never came in about two years later.
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  We thought, you know, why don't we just try to do a script?
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  And then let someone else, you know, let someone else do a film.
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  We could give it back to the author of this book that Eric Metaxas,
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  who we read his book, we could give it to an agent.
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  So it actually, so that's when we started.
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  We thought if we just get a script, because if you don't control the script,
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  very often Hollywood will, will gut the faith.
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  If it's a, if it's a story about a man of faith, you know,
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  they'll just take that part out or water it down.
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  So we didn't want that to happen.
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  So we started on this journey.
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  Now, what we had no idea was that this took, it took seven years to get a script.
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  Wow.
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  At that time, we realized this was a calling.
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  God just pulled us in and we were the producers.
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  My husband's a businessman and I'm from the performing arts.
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  So we knew a lot about that world, but not about movie producing.
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  You know, I knew the performing arts.
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  He knew business and we married the two.
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  So it took us, yes, it took us seven years.
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  We had, we went through three screenwriters, two script doctors, you know, consultants, directors.
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  And eventually we got the final script.
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  And then it took us another five years to make the film.
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  Wow.
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  What, what a labor of love, right?
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  But God, you know, when you, we kept feeling like this was a calling.
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  And we couldn't just drop it and hand it to somebody.
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  At that point, we were so deep into it.
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  You know, we, we had to raise the funds and.
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  And it was so well done.
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  First of all, I didn't even give the website.
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  It's done by Angel Studios.
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  The website, friends, is angel.com.
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  And there are a lot of movies on there.
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  You just got to click on movies and bond offer angel.com.
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  You can stream it right now.
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  And what did you say?
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  Camille, this is airing on Monday, the 20th.
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  Did you say the 21st?
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  It is available elsewhere.
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  Yeah, it's going to be on Angel Studios for now.
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  And then about the next week, the 21st there,
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  it'll be streaming on other platforms.
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  So I think, oh, I think Amazon.
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  Yeah, it'll be out on that other platforms.
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  Okay, friends, so starting tomorrow, look for it.
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  Yeah, and David, Angel didn't actually do the film.
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  They distributed it.
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  We actually, it's an independent film from our company.
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  And we had co producers in Europe.
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  You know, we always wanted to make this movie in Europe
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  because that would keep it authentic to the time, the look.
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  And then we wanted it European actors.
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  We didn't want, you know, unless, I mean, we thought if we could get European actors,
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  we could have people that were classically trained maybe
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  or had the field of that era, you know,
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  it happened on their continent.
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  And eventually we did get all European actors,
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  except for the people playing Americans.
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  There's a few Americans.
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  Adam Clayton Powell is an American actor.
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  He plays the pastor Adam Clayton Powell from Harlem.
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  And then it was amazing to see the craftsmen that God brought to us.
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  These are all Hollywood veterans who worked on this film.
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  Our director photography, which is a very important position on a film,
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  is John Matheson, who's a legend.
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  He did gladiator, you know, gladiator one and two he did.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah, we had an amazing craftsman.
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  And that's because our screenwriter, Todd Kormannicki,
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  is a lovely man, he's a Christian,
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  but he's also Hollywood insider.
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  You know, it's very relational in Hollywood,
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  so he was able to get a lot of people to come on board with us, yeah.
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  Wow.
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  I was just so impressed with this project.
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  You would have no idea.
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  It's an independent film.
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  But I want to ask, it was filmed in Ireland and Belgium.
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  And it looks so authentic to the time frame, to the time period,
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  to World War II and in Germany.
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  And it just looks so well done and it was phenomenal.
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  I can't speak more highly about it.
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  That's why I'm so glad I was able to see it before talking with you.
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  So I'm excited.
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  But now let's go back just a little bit, Camille.
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  And you worked on Sesame Street.
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  So we need to get that story before we move on.
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  My other life, yes.
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  I moved to New York in 1979 to be an actress.
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  And I ended up being a comedic actress.
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  So I joined improv groups.
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  And I developed a lot of characters, a lot of voices.
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  So I worked in the world of the voiceover world, you know,
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  cartoon series, commercials, and live improv,
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  live theater as a comedic actress.
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  But about, in about 1986, I got a call from the Muppets.
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  To audition.
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  And I assumed, because they're a comedic,
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  and I assumed they wanted my voices.
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  But actually, you can't, you can't really work on Muppets
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  if you don't also do the puppetry.
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  So they had to train me.
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  And I became a Muppeteer.
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  And that was the rest of my career until I retired.
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  Because they kept me very busy.
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  I mean, I was on Sesame Street for 10 seasons.
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  You know, and then they do specials.
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  I did Christmas specials.
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  Easter specials, home videos, you know, all kinds of things with them.
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  I loved it.
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  I was one of them.
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  You know, I was in their core group.
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  They don't have a lot of women.
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  So it's mostly a male dominated feel.
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  I mean, it was back then.
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  Now they have, because men can do falsetto voices, you know.
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  So it was male.
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  That's funny.
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  Well, so they had a little bit of background.
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  And I'm sure with your acting background,
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  even though it was more comedic, at least that's what your interest was in,
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  I'm sure you were very pleased and maybe even impressed with some of the actors
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  in their performances in Bonhoeffer.
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  Because I have some training too.
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  I used to be an actor.
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  I used to live out in L.A.
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  And I, yeah, I was pleasantly surprised because, I mean, first of all,
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  independent movies have come a long way.
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  As far as quality and budget and everything else.
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  But as far as the acting goes, kudos.
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  So would you care to speak to that before we move on to the story of Dietrich Kahn?
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  The story of the acting.
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  Of the acting.
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  If you'd like to talk about that.
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  Well, we were very fortunate again.
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  You know, it was such a blessing from God.
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  He just dropped these amazing people in our lab.
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  But he, the years ago, because it took 12 years right at the beginning,
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  we were introduced to a wonderful casting director.
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  It's a husband and wife duo in England.
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  They're well known in England.
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  They've been in the business 40 years.
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  It's John and Ross Hubbard, Hubbard casting.
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  And they just picked the most amazing people.
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  And they brought them to a school audition.
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  You know, they, they would send us theater, amazing theater actors.
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  So actually, if you look at the film, every single person is a, is a great actor.
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  I mean, even if you have one line or no lines, they still have, you know,
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  we all had a very high bar that we wanted.
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  And they were just, the people they sent us were amazing.
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  I mean, there's one scene.
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  You remember the scene.
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  I don't want to give too much away.
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  But when Neem Aller is having dinner and with his wife and his child
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  and Dietrich shows up, I don't want to tell you what happened there.
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  But you remember that's the Neem Aller.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  Neem Aller is played by Auguste Steele, who is a phenomenal actor.
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  He was in the hidden line.
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  He was an inglorious bastard.
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  He's well known.
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  Well, his wife, I mean, she says almost nothing in this scene.
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  And you watch her and you say, well, my gosh, what an amazing actress.
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  She has a couple lines.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, just everyone is a great actor in this movie.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, the emotion, you don't need a lot of lines to portray something that's riveting.
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  And she does, yeah, she did a great job.
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  It was at the scene right before he was arrested or taken away.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  So let's talk about the story now, the background for those.
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  There may be, not many, but there may be some in our audience that aren't familiar
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  with the whole background of Dietrich Bonfoff offer.
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  I mean, he wrote the cost of discipleship.
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  He was a preacher of love and unity.
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  And he was, he ended up to be about one third of the pastors over there that resisted Hitler.
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  And Bonfoff was one of those in the confessing church.
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  But at first, he was just following Christ and he got tired of religion.
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  And then there was a little change in his life when it comes to his disappointment with religion.
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  And could you speak to that?
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  Because that formed who he was and that was part of his journey.
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  So he was absolutely brilliant.
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  So by the time he was 21, he had a PhD.
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  But he had done his doctoral dissertation.
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  It's pretty famous.
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  And he was too young to be ordained in the Lutheran church.
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  I think you had to be 25.
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  So his family said, well, why don't you go to America and study there for a year?
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  So he did.
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  Came to New York.
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  I did a union seminary.
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  And this was during segregation.
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  It was 1930.
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  So he wasn't impressed with the union.
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  He was getting more liberal physiologically and he was very conservative.
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  But he met an African American.
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  And remember, this is segregation.
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  He met this African American lovely man, Frank Fisher, a fellow student who said, you know, why don't you come to church with me?
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  So once Sunday, he took him to Harlem.
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  And that really changed his life.
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  You know, he saw people who suffered and still love the Lord and worshiped, you know, vibrantly.
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  And, and they suffered in their person, you know, their daily lives because of segregation.
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  And he was so taken, you know, we really think that's kind of when the penny dropped in his life.
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  And he, his, his, he actually says later, that's the first time he heard the gospel.
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  He says he went to America.
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  Theologian came back.
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  A Christian, you know, that's really I think when he became born again when his knowledge went from his head as a theologian to his heart.
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  So he, he, it transforms him.
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  He ends up staying one year in this church.
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  And he, and he teaches the little children.
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  There's a scene in the movie where he's teaching the kids. That's true.
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  He teaches the little kids in the Sunday school.
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  Yeah, he goes on a trip to Washington with Frank Fisher.
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  And he suffered, they suffer the prejudice, you know, the cruelty of segregation because here's this white man traveling with a black man.
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  It's not acceptable.
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  So all of that, you know, changes him.
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  I mean, it makes him think.
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  But then he goes back to Germany and within two years Hitler is in power.
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  And he's hearing the same rhetoric that he again hit.
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  There's a person, you know, the government just is carving out of society.
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  A group of people and marginalizing them.
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  And so we're as an America, he saw no blacks allowed.
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  Now he's saying no Jews allowed in Europe.
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  So he right away tries to wake up the church, assuming he very much believed the church would come on board and and understand his point and say, of course,
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  we should all jump in and help these people.
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  But, you know, the church was being co-opted by Hitler.
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  That's what he means by when he says religion, it had the trappings of Christianity, but it wasn't.
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  Didn't have the power, didn't have the gospel, didn't have the sacrificial love.
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  They weren't serving the Lord above everything else.
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  And that's when he begins to stand against this church, which is the first way of dissidentity that he lived.
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  And then the church kept flipping his wings, you know, they fought him.
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  He was banned from Berlin, banned from preaching, banned from writing his seminary was closed underground seminary was closed.
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  And eventually he joined the resistance and fought against the government, you know, for the same, on the same issue, which was really the saving of the Jews.
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  So he kind of thought too big battles.
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  Well, I'm calling the church back to its back to being the church and Christ.
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  Well, he said his famous line in cost of discipleship is when Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die.
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  And so of course with him, he eventually did diabetes.
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  He of course means total surrender.
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  You know, if Jesus said if you lose your life, you'll find it.
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  That's really sweet.
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  That was powerful. Just that line in the movie too was powerful.
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  I knew the quote before that, but what you just hearing him in the context and speak that we're.
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  By the way, we were speaking with Camille Comporis. She is one of the producers with her husband of Bonhoeffer, pastor, spy, assassin.
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  You can stream it everywhere tomorrow, January 21st, and you go to angel.com for now today.
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  But we've got a lot more to come, including the church aspect.
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  How did the church in Germany kind of start writing on Hitler's coattails?
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  How did that happen? We'll be right back on World View Matters.
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  So Camille Comporis, I wanted to ask you about Bible mesh before we jump back into Bonhoeffer.
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  Please tell us. This is a great website. It's it's let's see Bible mesh.com.
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  And you've got a course on Bonhoeffer. Am I correct? Tell us about it.
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  Yes, yes. Well, Bible mesh is something my husband and I found it about 15, 16 years ago because we saw the biblical illiteracy in the church was just growing all over the world.
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  Really, I mean, in Europe and so we thought, well, how can we address this? So we started with just a few courses, you know, to we have a course called the biblical story that takes you through the Bible with Jesus as the thread.
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  And so we thought, well, we'll just do a few courses. Well, those courses kept growing and growing. We now have over a hundred courses.
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  But also you can you can get certificates like a lot of missionaries study on our website that gets certificates or you can get a diploma or degree and get a master's degree.
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  And next in the spring, we are opening up is I don't know if it's online yet. It'll be called the Alexandrian Institute and you'll be able to get a PhD as well.
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  But for this movie, we decided, you know, there's only so much you can't, you can't talk a lot about theology in a film because the film has to show not tell, you know, it's not a documentary where you just talk, talk, talk.
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  So we thought we would start, we would write a course, we hired a lovely scholar, young guy and if a morgan ran times and he, we did an eight week course for, you know, for people in the church or the average person who's not getting a master's degree.
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  So it will take you deeper if you want to go deeper in Bonhoeffer because he's complicated. So we, you need help.
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  Yes, thank you. That's Bible mesh.com friends. Definitely check that out. So Camille, let's go back to when Dietrich Bonhoeffer came, traveled back to Germany after he was in America.
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  And the movie talks about how he was surprised that people were kind of in a place of, they needed a leader. They needed a new national movement, it seems.
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  And a lot of people started jumping on the bandwagon, so to speak and hearing about this charismatic leader, you know, Hitler and they didn't know who he was at the time.
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  So tell us about that and how when Dietrich was saying, well, that would never happen, right? I'm paraphrasing what he said because he was gone for a year, right?
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  But he just said this would never happen, you know, never happened in Germany to carve out a segment of society like we did in America, you know, with segregation and be so cruel to them and treat them so differently. He said that would never happen in Germany. Well, of course, you know, a couple years later did happen.
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  So and he actually he wrote that in a letter so that we decided to put that in the film because it's actually his words and his thoughts.
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  But he has been when he went back to Germany after having this transformation and seeing really what the faith should look like, you know, really what that church is in just a club that you, you know, go to on a Sunday.
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  It's a total commitment to Christ and he saw that in Harlem. And so he went back and he thought that he could have influence in his church, but the church had already started to be co-opted by Hitler.
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  But there also, you know, he's very clever when he was first in power. He used a lot of Christian words, you know, he would say things like, may God help us, he would, you know, talk, he would, you know, he would use God, he would use.
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  God has, you know, has once the German people to, because they were, they were having tremendous economic problems after World War One.
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  Yeah, he really looked like a savior and religious people thought he was a savior, you know, because he was preaching that Germany can rise again and God knows that.
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  So, because he hated Christianity, but he didn't say that until much later, didn't become obvious until later, you know, later he demanded that all pastors swear an oath to him first.
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  Even Dietrich stood against the Hitler oath, but, and then they became clear that, you know, he was becoming an idol, he was becoming, he was demanding a kind of worship.
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  And that's when Dietrich felt, you know, he had that the, that the real church had to, had to separate from what was being called the Reich Church.
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  And the real church they called the confessing church.
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  Yes.
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  And I love the fact, first of all, that is a true part of the story when Hitler did remove Bibles and crosses and put in Mein Kampf and totally co-opted the church.
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  But there was a very neat moment and it was in the trailer we just saw part of it, but it was in the film as well where he was sitting in the church hearing a sermon of a man.
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  And he called it blasphemy.
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  And this man was saying Hitler, this new chancellor is a true savior for Germany and he was using it almost in an idolatrous way where he was going to save the nation.
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  And that's where you saw his disappointment that was very, very well done.
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  Because I don't remember if Dietrich Bonhoff or even spoke because he was in the pews and the seats there want hearing.
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  And you could just see that he was looking around at other people and he was so disappointed to hear these words.
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  He did say it was blasphemy.
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  Talked us about that moment because that was a very good scene as well.
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  Yes, well, Hitler put a bishop in power, Bishop Muller, who I mean, he was just a crazy person.
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  He was a doored Hitler and hated anybody that stood against Hitler.
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  And actually, we took that scene from a very famous, huge meeting in the sports palace, that's what it was called, where they have these speakers, you know, talk like that.
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  And so we put it in a church.
• 23:33
  But yeah, and even the talk in the sports palace, when it happened, even Hitler said, ooh, that's a little too much for right now.
• 23:42
  You know, we'll get there, but you might, because he wanted to go slowly, not just hit them with what he really believed, he was, you know, what he really believed about Christianity.
• 23:51
  But anyway, it happened and that's, that's, so we took it from there and he's really, he really saw that that the church was just being swept away by these.
• 24:03
  It wasn't, it wasn't just this bishop, it was all the people he was putting in power.
• 24:08
  And of course, if you were part of the confessing church, you were really going to be persecuted.
• 24:12
  And eventually, you know, Hitler started sending them to the front, sending them to concentration camps.
• 24:19
  As you saw with Bishop, I mean, Nemoler was sent to the concentration camp.
• 24:25
  So he allowed it at the beginning, but then if you didn't fall in line and if you were one of these pastors that was speaking out, you would have been, you know, during the war, you would have been shipped to the front or a concentration camp.
• 24:37
  So we're running out of time. I knew this would go by fast with you, Camille. How do you think Bonhoeffer, Pastor Spy Assassin, fits into the current landscape of film and TV and, and boy, do we need more Bonhoeffers today to wake up the church in America, don't we?
• 24:55
  Well, that's exactly actually why we did it, why we pick this story, why we were so taken and thought this would make a great movie because our first, you know, dream was to wake up the church, the church that isn't awake. Of course, there's many who are the remnant and who are doing great work for God.
• 25:13
  But those who are just playing church or are far from God, you know, they honor him with their lips, but their hearts are far from him. And Isaiah says, that was a dream to wake up that kind of church and not just America, but all over the world. I mean, in the West, if you go to Europe, the church really needs to be, you know, to come alive and be awake.
• 25:32
  And in the second one was to raise up men and women at any age like Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer was young when he had his awakening and did all these courageous things, you know, by the time he was 30, he had done most of the courageous things.
• 25:45
  And he kept doing them, but by that time he had written things, he had written the cost of discipleship, he had spoken out against Hitler, he, you know, that was all done in his 20s.
• 25:53
  So we were, our hope was to raise up men and women like him, you know, because in the movie, you see a failed church, but you also see what a real Christian should look like in the life.
• 26:06
  And so we thought it was a perfect movie to, you know, we, we showed it to a monk in Greece in a monastery. We were on a retreat.
• 26:16
  We, my husband's great. We go through every year and we visit this monastery and we showed him the movie and we had to translate in a manner had to keep, my husband had to keep fast forwarding, but explaining to him. At the end, he said, this movie is like a letter to the modern church, like a letter from revelation to, to the church today, a modern day, revelation to let.
• 26:39
  Wow. And it was just, I think it's prophetic. I think I think he was being prophetic. What a compliment. I just hope that that is what, you know, and for people who don't know the Lord, it's still a powerful movie because it's a movie about courage.
• 26:54
  Yeah. And may start you on your journey. You're, you know, looking up and seeking God. And so it's really for everyone.
• 27:02
  Wow. And friends, angel.com, you can stream it there in other places, starting tomorrow. Camille, Camporus, you and your husband did a phenomenal job. It was so great to speak with you and meet you virtually. But thank you so much for Bonhoeffer, pastor, spy assassin. God bless you and whatever else you have coming down the road and the work of your hands. We appreciate your time. Thanks.
• 27:26
  Thank you. Thank you, David.
• 27:28
  Guys, please watch this movie if you haven't seen it yet. You will not be disappointed and it will really inspire you. God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.