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What Is Scripture About? · Scripture-ish

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Ed Gallagher.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am reading my essay, What is Scripture About?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the second essay in the series on hearing the Word of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Communication is difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: The point is proven time and again.
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  SPEAKER_00: And perhaps the people that are most familiar with the difficulty of communication are people.
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  SPEAKER_00: On the one hand, parents, and on the other hand, preachers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both groups of people,
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  SPEAKER_00: parents and preachers,
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  SPEAKER_00: frequently find themselves in the situation where they need the phrase,
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  SPEAKER_00: no, that's not what I meant.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are no doubt several reasons why communication is difficult,
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  SPEAKER_00: but one of them is that the speaker and
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  SPEAKER_00: the hearer do not necessarily share presuppositions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me give you an example of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I recall several years ago giving a sermon on the Lord's Supper in
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  SPEAKER_00: which I was trying to explain part of the deep significance of this meal,
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  SPEAKER_00: how it helps to conform us to Christ since we are consuming his body and blood.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not the kind of lesson on communion that I had ever heard,
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  SPEAKER_00: certainly not in Churches of Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: To top it off,
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  SPEAKER_00: I delivered the sermon on Christmas Day,
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  SPEAKER_00: which happened to fall on a Sunday that year.
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  SPEAKER_00: I called the sermon Incarnation and Reincarnation,
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  SPEAKER_00: meaning That just as the Word became flesh,
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  SPEAKER_00: incarnation, so also the Word takes on flesh in our lives, reincarnation.
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  SPEAKER_00: As represented in the Lord's Supper,
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  SPEAKER_00: as our flesh and blood mingles with and is transformed by the flesh and blood
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  SPEAKER_00: of our Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought I was presenting...
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  SPEAKER_00: A new and helpful way of thinking about this weekly ritual for the members of
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  SPEAKER_00: the very traditional congregation for which I was preaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to be deep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was a little confused afterwards when one old man complimented my lesson
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  SPEAKER_00: by saying, that's what we need more of, the first principles.
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  SPEAKER_00: Either he didn't hear what I said or I didn't say what I thought I said.
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  SPEAKER_00: As I have reflected on that comment over the years,
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  SPEAKER_00: I have decided that this old man,
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  SPEAKER_00: who knew me and liked me, came into the sermon expecting to like the sermon.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the kinds of sermons he liked were first principles kinds of sermons.
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  SPEAKER_00: He heard what he wanted to hear.
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  SPEAKER_00: His expectations did not align with what I was trying to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I take my share of the blame here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I was not clear enough in my presentation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Communication is difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or let's talk about politics for just a moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a political point of view,
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  SPEAKER_00: a fundamental understanding about the nature of the country in which I live,
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  SPEAKER_00: America, and of the direction it ought to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I recognize that the country is highly polarized politically at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are people I enjoy listening to because they share my fundamental belief about America.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are people I do not enjoy listening to.
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  SPEAKER_00: So recently I forced myself to listen to a podcast by people who do not align
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  SPEAKER_00: with my political views, but people that I consider intelligent.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was hard to listen to that podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there were multiple times in the 45-minute podcast
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  SPEAKER_00: when I simply could not make sense out of what the person was saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I heard the words and I could get meaning out of those words,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I was convinced that
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  SPEAKER_00: the person could not have meant what I understood those words to mean because
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  SPEAKER_00: that would be so stupid, so obviously incorrect.
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  SPEAKER_00: And these were intelligent people I was listening to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't hearing something that made sense to me, partly,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: because my political expectations were different from those of the people on
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  SPEAKER_00: the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is scripture about?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's about a lot of things, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are those statistics we often hear about the Bible?
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  SPEAKER_00: 66 books written by 40 different people in multiple languages over a period of more
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  SPEAKER_00: than a millennium in several different cultures.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's history and law and parables and apocalypse and poetry and prophetic oracles
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  SPEAKER_00: and letters.
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  SPEAKER_00: And each of those genres can be further subdivided,
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  SPEAKER_00: and some biblical books attest to multiple genres.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the Bible has a lot of stuff in it,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is part of the reason that the Bible is so difficult to read.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is the point of Scripture?
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  SPEAKER_00: What is it about?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is not about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it is true to say that Christians often open the Bible hoping
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  SPEAKER_00: to find it talking about them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it does sometimes and in some ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little later we'll talk about how the Bible addresses Christians.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in our culture, the expectation that a Christian will have is very individualistic.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a problem and I want the Bible to address my problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: If a therapist can address an individual person's problem,
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  SPEAKER_00: then surely my problem can be directly addressed in Scripture by God,
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  SPEAKER_00: who is basically an all-knowing therapist, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: When Bible readers have this expectation,
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  SPEAKER_00: they are sure to be disappointed by most of the Bible,
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  SPEAKER_00: which they simply cannot understand through this paradigm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, it's sort of understandable that modern Christians would approach the Bible
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  SPEAKER_00: with this paradigm because they have been told ad infinitum that God loves me
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  SPEAKER_00: and longs for a personal relationship with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Seems like the Bible ought to talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what is the point of Ezekiel or Leviticus or most of the Old Testament really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of the Psalms are nice and the Proverbs are relatively straightforward
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  SPEAKER_00: though they aren't very comforting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did Paul really say that all scripture is profitable?
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he was exaggerating a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's the deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is not about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not about you.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you approach Scripture with that expectation, you will most definitely be disappointed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you what the Bible is about.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's about God, and it's about us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about both of these in turn.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's profound, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: You might need to write that one on your hands so that you'll remember it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll wait.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me be a little more specific.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is not about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I turn to the Bible, what am I looking for?
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  SPEAKER_00: What do I think I'm going to be reading?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are my expectations?
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  SPEAKER_00: If you open Ezekiel with the idea that you're going
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  SPEAKER_00: to read something immediately relevant for your daily life,
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would argue that you can find in Ezekiel passages relevant to your daily life,
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  SPEAKER_00: but that's because I am convinced that knowledge of God is relevant
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  SPEAKER_00: to your daily life.
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  SPEAKER_00: It might not have an obvious straightforward application to
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  SPEAKER_00: the particular problem you're facing right now,
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  SPEAKER_00: But it will most definitely display to you the big picture reality in
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  SPEAKER_00: which your entire life takes place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not just Ezekiel, of course, but the entire Bible does that because the Bible is about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you turn to Ezekiel looking to get out of the doldrums or how to be compassionate
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  SPEAKER_00: or how to have less stress,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you turn to Ezekiel expecting it to dress you right now,
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  SPEAKER_00: You probably won't find what you're seeking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Listen,
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  SPEAKER_00: there is a correlation between the text of Ezekiel and the Christian life today,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's not a direct correlation.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you imagine that what God wants to do in Scripture is talk to you about you,
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  SPEAKER_00: many books of the Bible are going to confuse you, most definitely including Ezekiel.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you may decide that Ezekiel is not profitable after all.
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  SPEAKER_00: No matter what Paul says about all scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: In scripture, God wants to talk to you, not about you, but about himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the most basic ideas in the Christian life is that you need to take
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  SPEAKER_00: the focus off of yourself and fill your mind with God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Be led by the Spirit of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Squash your own will so that you can take on God's will,
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  SPEAKER_00: so that you can say with our Lord, not my will, but yours be done.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is how the Bible addresses you.
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  SPEAKER_00: By not addressing you.
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  SPEAKER_00: By telling you about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you something.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you open Ezekiel expecting to read something about God, you will find what you seek.
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  SPEAKER_00: God is all over that book.
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  SPEAKER_00: Christians have known this all along, of course, that the Bible is about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: The early church had a reading strategy for the Bible and they called it the rule of faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about the church of the second century and later.
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  SPEAKER_00: Actually,
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  SPEAKER_00: let me talk about the first century and then I'll return to the second century
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  SPEAKER_00: because the first century church also had a reading strategy.
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  SPEAKER_00: For instance,
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul read scripture in light of a fundamental truth
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  SPEAKER_00: that he knew he could always trust.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just like Descartes, who figured out his own fundamental truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: When he declared, Cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even more than his own existence,
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  SPEAKER_00: Descartes felt that he could trust the fact that he had the capacity to think.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was, for Descartes, the fundamental fact.
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  SPEAKER_00: For Paul,
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  SPEAKER_00: the fundamental fact was that Jesus is Lord and the Christ promised in Scripture
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  SPEAKER_00: that And the apostle always read scripture through this grid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever else may be true, I know that Jesus appeared to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is Lord, therefore I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the second century,
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  SPEAKER_00: the church developed something called the rule of faith to help them read scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't develop it so much as inherit it because it's very similar
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  SPEAKER_00: to Paul's reading strategy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just a little bit expanded so that it mentions God the Father and the Holy Spirit
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  SPEAKER_00: and a few other basic Christian facts.
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  SPEAKER_00: One venerable form of the rule of faith is the Nicene Creed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I encourage you sometime to read that creed
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  SPEAKER_00: and see what these ancient Christians saw in Scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'll go ahead and tell you, what they saw was God.
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  SPEAKER_00: They knew that the Bible is about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: It might be interesting at this point to compare this ancient reading strategy
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  SPEAKER_00: with our own reading strategy in the modern day.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the churches of Christ,
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  SPEAKER_00: has our reading strategy,
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  SPEAKER_00: do you think,
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  SPEAKER_00: been focused on,
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  SPEAKER_00: let's say,
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  SPEAKER_00: the five-step plan of salvation or the five acts of worship or the organization of
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  SPEAKER_00: the church?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think our reading strategy has largely been addressing the question,
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  SPEAKER_00: what are we supposed to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: That is a fine question to ask,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I think we have arrived at some sensible,
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  SPEAKER_00: even in some cases obvious, answers to that question.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that question won't always help us to read Scripture well.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is, of course, focused on ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Scripture is about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, let's address a couple of problems, or let us say issues.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, the Bible is about God, but how does it teach us about God?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is, after all, a complicated book, as we saw earlier.
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  SPEAKER_00: All those authors over a long period of time,
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  SPEAKER_00: all those genres of literature,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Bible is straightforwardly about God,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it doesn't teach us about God in a straightforward manner.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is not a how-to book.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why there are books such as The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Bible or
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible for Dummies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those books,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I have not looked at,
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  SPEAKER_00: are shortcuts,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they are probably helpful,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the very fact that they exist demonstrates that the Bible itself is not
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  SPEAKER_00: a shortcut.
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  SPEAKER_00: How does the Bible teach us about God?
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  SPEAKER_00: Slowly.
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  SPEAKER_00: If there is a different book called The Bible for Dummies,
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  SPEAKER_00: and there is,
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  SPEAKER_00: that tells us that the Bible is not for dummies,
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  SPEAKER_00: meaning that it's complex and requires of us patience and diligence if we're going
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  SPEAKER_00: to get anything out of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patience and diligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those just happen to be Christian virtues,
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  SPEAKER_00: which God wants to form in us,
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  SPEAKER_00: virtues that He Himself exhibits,
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  SPEAKER_00: and He has given us Scripture that requires these virtues in us
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  SPEAKER_00: that will make us more like Him.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've got good news for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no hurry.
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  SPEAKER_00: God is not looking for you to understand the Bible today.
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  SPEAKER_00: God is not looking for you to understand the Bible ever.
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  SPEAKER_00: What God wants for you to do with Scripture is commit yourself to it so
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  SPEAKER_00: that routinely you allow the words of Scripture to transform your mind,
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  SPEAKER_00: as the Apostle says.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I have said before, that is a lifetime project.
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  SPEAKER_00: Slow and steady wins the race.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we need to do is open ourselves up to the message that scripture wants
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  SPEAKER_00: to convey to us and not the message we wish were there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Another issue, don't we need an application when we study the Bible?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes and no.
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  SPEAKER_00: We need to be able to relate biblical teaching directly to our lives,
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  SPEAKER_00: but that is often easier said than done.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the application seems obvious,
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  SPEAKER_00: but what we should not do is shy away from studying parts of the Bible that seem
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  SPEAKER_00: to have less direct relevance to our lives today.
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  SPEAKER_00: First of all,
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  SPEAKER_00: we often read things and spend time on things that do not necessarily have
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  SPEAKER_00: an immediate application to our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ancient history.
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  SPEAKER_00: Football, Netflix.
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  SPEAKER_00: But also remember what the Bible is about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not me, but God.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I'm learning about God, that is the application.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if I'm studying the Bible, I'm learning about God.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know what you're thinking, and I'm proud of you for thinking it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I read about God, aren't I also reading about myself?
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  SPEAKER_00: After all,
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  SPEAKER_00: the very first thing the Bible says about humanity is that we are made in the image
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  SPEAKER_00: of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: So learning about God should help me to learn about who I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's well done.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good job.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you're beginning to read the Bible like Christian scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now for the second main point, and this one will be more brief.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is not about me, it's about us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Bible does address me as an individual,
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  SPEAKER_00: but almost always the Bible is more concerned with the group, the people of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: The story of the Bible is about how God formed a people to commune with him and
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  SPEAKER_00: to reflect his character.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can read about God forming a people in Genesis 1,
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  SPEAKER_00: And we can read about it in Revelation 22,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we can read about it everywhere in between.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is about us.
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  SPEAKER_00: That us that the Bible is about is called in the New Testament, the Ekklesia.
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  SPEAKER_00: The word is usually translated church, but it means assembly or community.
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  SPEAKER_00: And actually, it's not found only in the New Testament.
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  SPEAKER_00: The people of God in the Old Testament are also called the Ekklesia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Naturally, I'm thinking about the Greek version of the Old Testament here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the burdens of the New Testament is to demonstrate that the promises
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  SPEAKER_00: that God made to his elect people in ancient Israel are now coming true in
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  SPEAKER_00: the elect people in the Messiah, Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words,
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  SPEAKER_00: the New Testament Ekklesia is the same as,
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  SPEAKER_00: or The continuation of the Old Testament ecclesia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our ancestors are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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  SPEAKER_00: It matters not if we are unable to trace a biological descent from Abraham.
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  SPEAKER_00: After all, God is able to raise up children to Abraham from stones.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there must be a family resemblance, and that resemblance God is looking for is faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: According to the apostle, those of faith are the children of Abraham.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we read the Old Testament, we are reading our story.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is our family history.
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  SPEAKER_00: As our Lord said, whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Hebrew scriptures show us the brothers and sisters and mothers of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: And therefore our own family as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is why Paul could write to the non-Jewish believers in Corinth about,
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  SPEAKER_00: quote, our fathers who came out of Egypt, 1 Corinthians 10 verse 1.
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  SPEAKER_00: As if the ancient Israelites were the ancestors of these Gentiles in Corinth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because they were.
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  SPEAKER_00: That may also be the reason that Paul says about the non-Jews that they used
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  SPEAKER_00: to be Gentiles,
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  SPEAKER_00: past tense,
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  SPEAKER_00: as if now they are no longer part of the nations,
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  SPEAKER_00: but are instead children of Abraham, 1 Corinthians 12, verse 2.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know indeed that Father Abraham had many sons, and I am one of them, and so are you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what we should do is praise the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: American society is focused on the individual,
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  SPEAKER_00: and often the American church is focused on the individual believer,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the Bible is not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rather, the Bible talks about the community of God's people, the ecclesia.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is not about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is about us.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you come to the Bible to learn something about God, your expectations will be met.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: The same is true if you start reading Scripture hoping to learn something about
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: the people of God.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what the Bible is about.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Seek and you shall find.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And when we seek within Scripture, it is God and His people that we will find.