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Romeo and Juliet? Teen Girl, Boy Flee Families in Fear · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grece.
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Speaker 2: A modern day Romeo and Juliet.
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Speaker 3: Well, maybe back in Shakespearean times when a fourteen or
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Speaker 3: fifteen year old little girl goes missing and decides to
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Speaker 3: secretly wed her boyfriend, that's okay.
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Speaker 2: Not in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as a Romeo and Juliet scenario.
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Speaker 3: With two teens that run away, that's okay. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 3: here at Crime Stories and on series sexem one eleven.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about two teens. They're missing, they think they're
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Speaker 3: in love, but why are they running? What is compelling
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Speaker 3: them to leave their families, their school, their everything, eluding
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Speaker 3: law enforcement, actually escaping and staying on the run.
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Speaker 2: What is it that they fear?
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Speaker 3: And what is going to happen to these two teens,
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Speaker 3: one as young as just fifteen years old? Again, this
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Speaker 3: is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace, and I want to
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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us. Tipline five zero three
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Speaker 3: three two five two zero one six repeat five zero
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Speaker 3: three three two five to zero one six.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: The Klatsop County Sheriff's Office is requesting any information related
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Speaker 4: to the whereabouts of missing teens Jonathan Stockel and Penny Lyles.
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel is eighteen years old with blonde hair and
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Speaker 4: blue eyes. He's five four love and weigh about one
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five pounds. Penny Lyles is fifteen, blonde hair,
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Speaker 4: blue eyes, five foot five and one hundred and twenty pounds.
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Speaker 4: The couple could be traveling in a gray nineteen ninety
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Speaker 4: eight Toyota Round four with Oregon license plates.
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Speaker 3: A fifteen year old little girl a seventeen year old boy,
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Speaker 3: Both of them A students have never been in trouble before.
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Speaker 2: What is possessing them to run?
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Speaker 3: I want the answers as to where they are, Are
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Speaker 3: they safe, what has happened to the happening to.
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Speaker 2: Them right now?
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Speaker 3: And what on earth made them leave everything they know?
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Speaker 3: The mom, the dad, the sisters, the brothers, the classroom,
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Speaker 3: the friends, the pepper howeries, the football games, the straight A's,
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Speaker 3: the whole shebang to hide out.
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Speaker 2: Look, every family has issues, but for.
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Speaker 3: Your child to run away from home, stay way from
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Speaker 3: home when you're begging and pleading with them to come back,
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Speaker 3: and somehow eluding law enforcement something is way way off kilter.
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Speaker 2: Listen our friends, Hey crime Online.
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Speaker 4: The teens left the Napa area together in a Grade
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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight Toyota four with Oregon plates. There have
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Speaker 4: been reports through social media that the teens are safe
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Speaker 4: and with family. This information is untrue. Authorities also say
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Speaker 4: Stockel may be worried about getting arrested, but they do
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Speaker 4: not have plans to arrest him at this time. If
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Speaker 4: anyone has information about Penny Lyles or Jonathan Stockel's whereabouts,
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Speaker 4: they are asked to contact Clatsop County Dispatch at five
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Speaker 4: oh three three two five two zero six ' one
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Speaker 4: and asked to speak to a deputy.
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Speaker 3: So the boyfriend is the Friday's going to be arrested.
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Speaker 3: Remember he's a teen too when he takes off with
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Speaker 3: his fifteen year old girlfriend. There's so much more to
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Speaker 3: this disappearance of these two young teens and more from
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Speaker 3: Dave mac.
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Speaker 4: The Klatsop County Sheriff's Office is asking the public for
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Speaker 4: help and locating a teen couple that fled after a
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Speaker 4: meeting with family members turned into a confrontation. The couple
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Speaker 4: left the Napa area and were last seen in Clatsop
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Speaker 4: and Columbia areas of Oregon. Authorities say it is possible
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Speaker 4: they are traveling outside of Oregon, as Stockhel and Lyles
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Speaker 4: both have connections to Missouri. It is also believed that
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Speaker 4: Stockel is concerned about getting arrested, so they are probably
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Speaker 4: trying to evade law enforcement. Authorities say at this time
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Speaker 4: the Sheriff's office does not plan to arrest him.
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Speaker 2: How are they living.
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Speaker 3: They're not using credit cards, they're not using Apple Pay.
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Speaker 2: They're literally on the run.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about a fifteen year old girl and a
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Speaker 3: seventeen year old boy. When they head out now believed
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Speaker 3: out of the state, and when you hear the sheriff's
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Speaker 3: office begging the public for help, that means they've run
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Speaker 3: out of leeds and they're now as king the public
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Speaker 3: for help. One thing I just heard right there from
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Speaker 3: investigative reporter Dave Mack is the teen the two teams
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Speaker 3: took off after a meeting with family members. That turns
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Speaker 3: into a confrontation with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 3: make sense of what we know right now and helping
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Speaker 3: us track down these two teams. But first I want
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Speaker 3: to go to a special guest joining us. It's teen
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Speaker 3: boy Jonathan Stockel's father, Wayne Stockhel.
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Speaker 2: Mister Stockhel, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 5: You're welcome, Thank you for doing this.
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Speaker 3: Mister Stockhel. First of all, let me understand something. See
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Speaker 3: I'm projecting. I'm projecting my own children, who have just
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Speaker 3: turned sixteen a couple of weeks ago, and I see
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Speaker 3: all teams through their lens. They're a students, they're involved
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Speaker 3: in activities at school.
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Speaker 2: We're very very close family. We do everything together.
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Speaker 3: And yes there's ups and downs in every family, especially
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Speaker 3: when you're raising teens. But for one of them to
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Speaker 3: disappear for as long as your son and his girlfriend
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Speaker 3: have been missing, I would be scared out of my mind.
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Speaker 3: What is going through your mind every night when you
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Speaker 3: try to put your head on your pillow.
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Speaker 5: We just fear the worst. So we haven't slept much
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Speaker 5: in days, in weeks. I mean, my wife right away
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Speaker 5: drove right there with the deputy chair from Missouri and
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Speaker 5: his wife, and she hunted woods and streets and everything,
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Speaker 5: and she came back broken that we didn't have our
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Speaker 5: sun back, and then they.
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Speaker 6: I just.
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Speaker 5: You just fear the worst.
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Speaker 2: Mister Stockhol. First of all, tell me about your son.
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Speaker 5: Okay, he played every sport. He did track, basketball, Eye
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Speaker 5: coached a basketball team, they played baseball, football, extremely athletic.
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Speaker 5: You know, all his teachers have came We did a rally.
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Speaker 5: All his teachers came out saying he was great. That
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Speaker 5: a lot of the teachers have had several of our kids.
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Speaker 5: He was in the Beta Club. Just we're a super
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Speaker 5: close family.
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now and he just reminds
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Speaker 3: me so much of my big boy John David. Just
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Speaker 3: so he meets Penny Penny Lyle right and they I mean,
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Speaker 3: we all remember our first A lot of people call
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Speaker 3: it puppy love, but it's a kind of a love
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Speaker 3: you never forget.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I was just don't tell my husband.
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Speaker 1: I was just.
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Speaker 3: Talking about my high schooled boyfriend with my daughter when
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Speaker 3: I was driving her to school. No, I don't want
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Speaker 3: to get back with him, but it's a moment in
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Speaker 3: your life that you never forget.
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Speaker 2: I mean.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany is a renowned psychoanalyst. You
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Speaker 3: can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. She's on
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Speaker 3: all sorts of TV programs, including Paris and Love Because
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Speaker 3: she's very sought out, doctor, Bethany. The first love is very,
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Speaker 3: very intense, fancy.
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Speaker 6: The first love is so intense that both members of
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Speaker 6: the couple feel that they have found their soulmate. They
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Speaker 6: form a boundary around the relationship, and they begin to
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Speaker 6: share secrets with each other that they don't share with
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Speaker 6: anybody else, and there's a heightened sense of protecting each other,
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Speaker 6: being loyal to each other. And teenagers of fourteen or
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Speaker 6: fifteen year old at eighteen year old, they do not
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Speaker 6: have a sense that the relationship will end at some point,
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Speaker 6: that this is for a limited period of time. Maybe
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Speaker 6: they'll break up, meet other people, have different lives. They're
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Speaker 6: just intertwined with each other's lives at that point.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, Bethany, they may not break up.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing you don't know.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of high school flames that never
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Speaker 3: burn out and they go on to marry and have
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Speaker 3: families that stay together the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 6: So this will they reconnect later in life. Life they marry,
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Speaker 6: their self dies and then they go back and find
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Speaker 6: each other. So there is something very profound, not only
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Speaker 6: about that love, but being known at that point in
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Speaker 6: your life if that person knows you, and.
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Speaker 3: It's really hard for I believe for adults to remember
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Speaker 3: what that was like. And I think that's part among
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Speaker 3: so many other things that's happening here.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: To mister Stockel, this is Jonathan's dad. They've got a
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Speaker 3: beautiful family, and Penny Lyle has her family lovely as well.
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Speaker 2: And I want to talk to you, Wayne.
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Speaker 3: Stockel, about when you realized that Jonathan is gone and
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Speaker 3: he's not coming back and he's basically on the run
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Speaker 3: with Penny. But first to Blaze Gomez joining US News
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Speaker 3: twelve lead investigative journalist, Blaze, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: How did this whole thing start?
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Speaker 7: See? This started when the family reached out to me.
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Speaker 7: They're originally from Gosh in New York here in Orange
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Speaker 7: County where I cover for News twelve, and they reached
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Speaker 7: out and said that their nephew and his girlfriend are
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Speaker 7: missing in Oregon and that they desperately needed help. At
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Speaker 7: that time, we realized that we were the only news
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Speaker 7: station that was reporting on their perilous flight and realized
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Speaker 7: that we needed to jump in and help this family.
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Speaker 3: I mean, when you put two children out there and
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Speaker 3: their children on their own. I mean, I'm seeing it
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Speaker 3: from my point of view. Let me go to Lisa
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Speaker 3: Herrick joining US board certified juvenile lawyer, partner at Virgie Somerset,
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Speaker 3: Formal JUVENI prosecutor. Lisa at this age, I mean, when
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Speaker 3: I would deal with children missing at this age, By
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Speaker 3: the time I got it, there was some sort of
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Speaker 3: felony involved, like a rape, a murder, a kidnapping, a
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Speaker 3: sex trafficking of a child. When you put two babes
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Speaker 3: in the woods out there, you don't know what's going
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Speaker 3: to happen. How are they getting money, How are they
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Speaker 3: getting food? Are they scrounging in dumpsters? Are they trying
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Speaker 3: to get odd jobs? Are they dealing with people on
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Speaker 3: the street.
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Speaker 2: We don't know. Anything could happen to these two teams.
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Speaker 3: They're very, very misguided, and frankly, out in the big
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Speaker 3: bad world, there's a lot of people that could hurt them.
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Speaker 2: Lisa.
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Speaker 8: You're exactly right, Nancy, And that's one of the fears
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Speaker 8: that I've had because in my experience, I've seen so
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Speaker 8: many kids who have run away, and the problem is
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Speaker 8: that they don't have a lot of resources. They don't
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Speaker 8: have access to resources, so they're relying on other people.
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Speaker 8: Most likely they're relying on other people to house them,
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Speaker 8: to pay them, to feed them somehow, they need to
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Speaker 8: get gas if they're still driving, right, and so they
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Speaker 8: have to be relying on other people. And there's so
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Speaker 8: many people out in the world who have bad intentions
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Speaker 8: when they come across young ones who are in need
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Speaker 8: of help, that they could be really at the hands
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Speaker 8: of criminals. They could be truly in danger. And that's
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Speaker 8: true certainly of adults with bad intentions. But also there
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Speaker 8: is a wilderness, right The wilderness of Oregon is very
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Speaker 8: wild and scary, and I've seen children to come to
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Speaker 8: the elements and not be able to take care of themselves.
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Speaker 8: In addition to the fears we have of nefarious adults.
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Speaker 6: Anty briefly, they also forget that there are people at
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Speaker 6: home who love them and will welcome them back no
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Speaker 6: matter what.
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Speaker 3: Or you know, doctor Bethany, they may be afraid of
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Speaker 3: repercussions if they come back home. Wayne Stockhel, I'm not
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Speaker 3: understanding how this whole thing unfolded. I know that there
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Speaker 3: was some sort of a family meeting, and that meeting
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Speaker 3: turned into a confrontation I mean, let's be real. When
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Speaker 3: you're having a family meeting, that means there's an issue.
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Speaker 2: Okay, when there's an issue, that means somebody's got some
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Speaker 2: kind of problem.
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Speaker 3: I can see how a family meeting can turn into
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Speaker 3: a confrontation. So what do you know Wayne about the
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Speaker 3: family meeting that turned into a confrontation and resulted in
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Speaker 3: these two taking off.
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Speaker 5: No, there was no family meeting. The kids were at school.
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Speaker 5: Ryan sent them. Dratzy said that he found out some
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Speaker 5: stuff he didn't like on the sister's phone. Jonathan sent
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Speaker 5: me a text saying he doesn't know what's going on.
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Speaker 5: He said. They think Jonathan was saying he wanted to
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Speaker 5: go to the police with some photos and videos of
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Speaker 5: child abuse that Penny had on her phone.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 3: You're saying your son wanted to go to police, Yes,
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Speaker 3: with videos of child abuse.
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Speaker 2: Yes, reportedly by Penni's dad. Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: And I like to point out that Penni's dad vehemently
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Speaker 3: denies this. And to doctor Bethony Marshall, you know, we're
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Speaker 3: seeing this to the lens of teens who either real
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Speaker 3: or imaginary, believe that the other is being mistreated horribly
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Speaker 3: and they've got to go on the run.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, this falls into two categories. Sometimes teens
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Speaker 6: have an exaggerated sense that their parents are mean or mistreating.
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Speaker 3: Them because I don't want to run away to the
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Speaker 3: local motel eight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 6: But in this case, I think that we always have
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Speaker 6: to believe teenagers when they feel there's abuse going on.
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Speaker 6: You have to validate their reality and their experience, and
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Speaker 6: you have to investigate, and you have to believe them
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Speaker 6: until there's evidence to the contrary.
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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing is when you don't know a horse.
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Speaker 3: Look at the track record. These two have never been
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Speaker 3: in trouble. They're a students involved in sports, doing all
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Speaker 3: the extracurriculars with the school, and have never been a problem.
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Speaker 3: So let me understand. Take a listen to our cut one.
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel is living in Fayer, Missouri, when he meets
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Speaker 4: fifteen year old Penny Lyles, who has recently moved to
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Speaker 4: the area with their family. The teens are well thought
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Speaker 4: of by fa family and friends, and they're both on
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Speaker 4: a role type students. The young couple develops a very
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Speaker 4: close relationship and their parents approve When Penny Lyles family
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Speaker 4: moves back to Oregon. Jonathan Stockel is invited to join them.
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Speaker 4: Stockhel leaves his mother and father and there Missouri and
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Speaker 4: moves in with Penny Lyles family in Napa, Oregon.
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Speaker 2: Mister Stocker, what was.
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Speaker 3: Your thinking having your son move out of home to
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Speaker 3: go with his girlfriend?
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Speaker 5: When he left, I sent pictures, We took tons of pictures.
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Speaker 5: We all cried. My son Curtis stood crying in the
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Speaker 5: driveway for over an hour. We all stood out there
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Speaker 5: least a half an hour crying. We just and Jonathan
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Speaker 5: did turn around and come back for a few minutes,
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Speaker 5: and then he finally left, and we were just devastated
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Speaker 5: that this is what he wanted to do.
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Speaker 3: Why was it agreed he could leave home and move
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Speaker 3: in with his girlfriend's family in a different state.
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Speaker 5: He came to me, he said, Dad, this was do I.
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Speaker 5: He came to me, he said, Dad, I really want
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Speaker 5: to do this. I'm going to turn eighteen in September.
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Speaker 5: If you tell me now, I'm going to go when
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Speaker 5: I turn eighteen. And he came to me in such
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Speaker 5: a good way. And I was just I didn't want
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Speaker 5: to say yes, but I did, and I wish I hadn't.
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Speaker 3: I mean, did he have plans to go to college
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Speaker 3: or education beyond high school.
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Speaker 5: We had plans to open a We were going to
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Speaker 5: build a shop on our property and open an auto
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Speaker 5: body shop and build He likes, like his favorite cars
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Speaker 5: in nineteen sixty eight charger, and he just wanted he
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Speaker 5: wanted me and him to build cars together. That's what
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Speaker 5: he wanted to do.
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Speaker 3: Oh my stars, I'm just thinking of you standing in
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Speaker 3: the driveway crying when he moved away. I mean, did
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Speaker 3: you know the other family, Pennie Lyle's family.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 9: No.
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Speaker 5: When Johnathan asked me if he could go, I said, well,
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Speaker 5: we'll have to meet the parents first. And then one
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Speaker 5: day Johnathan came and said, they're leaving in a hurry.
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Speaker 5: I don't want to have to dorive all the way
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Speaker 5: Oregon by myself. I just want to go right now.
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Speaker 5: So it was dry second or third, I can't sure
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Speaker 5: which day.
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Speaker 3: It was, Doctor Bethany Marshall, I mean, this is much
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Speaker 3: more serious than popularve. I mean, he leaves his whole
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Speaker 3: family to go move with the Lyles.
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Speaker 6: This is very serious. Nancy, and I can understand mister
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Speaker 6: Stockwel's desire to follow his son's wishes. But sometimes parents
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Speaker 6: have to be the holder of what's right for their children.
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Speaker 6: And I don't think mister Stockel could have foreseen what
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Speaker 6: would have happened. But when you have a seventeen year old,
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Speaker 6: you have to see the big picture of their future
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Speaker 6: and their inability to protect themselves in the idealization of
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Speaker 6: the person that they're in love with. And I know
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Speaker 6: it would have been very hard to dissuage onnatent.
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Speaker 3: He is gonna turn eighteen, Bethany, when he turns eighteen?
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Speaker 2: What can the dad do? Lock him in the basement.
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Speaker 6: They can't do anything but really maintain attachments as closely
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Speaker 6: as possible.
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Speaker 3: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, there's just no good answer here. Okay, guys.
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Speaker 3: Then another wrinkle, Okay, the girlfriend, little teen girl, fifteen
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Speaker 3: year old Pennies dad believes he discovers her older sister
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Speaker 3: has used drugs.
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Speaker 2: All right, take listen to our cut team.
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel is a junior and Penny Lyles is a
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Speaker 4: sophomore at Napa High School. The teens are dating and
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Speaker 4: live in the same home with Penny lyles father, Ryan Lyles.
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Speaker 4: Ryan Lyles tells News twelve that Penny and Stockel are
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Speaker 4: model kids straight A's. The Lyles have another older daughter.
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Speaker 4: Ryan Lyles finds out his eighteen year old daughter is
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Speaker 4: using drugs. Thinking part of the problem is the people
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Speaker 4: she has for friends, Ryan Lyles arranges for his eighteen
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Speaker 4: year old daughter to move in with family they have.
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Speaker 4: When she moves, she leaves her cell phone behind and
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Speaker 4: it's constantly dinging. So Ryan Lyles looks at the messages
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Speaker 4: and is shocked at what he reads.
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Speaker 3: So the dad believes the older sister may be using drugs.
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Speaker 2: Blaze Gomez.
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Speaker 3: His answer to that is, Okay, you're getting away from
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Speaker 3: your bad influence friends and you're moving in with your
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Speaker 3: relatives in California. We're starting all over to Blaze Gomez,
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Speaker 3: Nee's twelve lead journalist. Using drugs give mean a lot
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Speaker 3: of different things. Are we talking about pot here? He's
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Speaker 3: worried the older daughter was using pot.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 7: Ryan Lyles told us in his interview last week that
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Speaker 7: he believed his older daughter may have been using marijuana
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Speaker 7: and possibly MDMA speed. He had concerns about the people
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Speaker 7: she was hanging out with, and was also concerned about
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Speaker 7: some things he saw in her phone as they might
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Speaker 7: relate to Penny and Jonathan. He had planned to confront
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Speaker 7: them when they returned home from school and sent the
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Speaker 7: kids texts from school from where they were in their
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Speaker 7: classes and said return home as soon as you can
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Speaker 7: when class gets out. The sister, the older sister, Penny's
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Speaker 7: older sister, contacts her sister in class and says, Dad
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Speaker 7: found my phone, triggering the panic that we have now
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Speaker 7: seen in the children.
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Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm getting it. So that would have been
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Speaker 3: the so called family.
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Speaker 1: Meeting time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: So Penny's dad.
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Speaker 3: Becomes afraid the older sister is used pot all right.
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Speaker 2: His answer to that is, you're moving. You got to
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Speaker 2: get a.
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Speaker 3: Clean, fresh start somewhere else. You're getting away from your friends.
22:08
Speaker 3: I'm sending you to relatives in California. Then he gets
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Speaker 3: worried that the little girl Penny and the boyfriend Jonathan,
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Speaker 3: that they've been influenced, that they are somehow involved in
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Speaker 3: the pot, and he texts both of them at school
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Speaker 3: and says come home immediately after school.
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Speaker 2: I need to talk to you.
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Speaker 3: In the meantime, Penny gets a text from her sister
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Speaker 3: and goes, Dad found my phone.
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Speaker 2: He knows about the pot. This is what's happening.
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Speaker 3: Okay, now let me understand, Wayne Stockhol, does your son Jonathan?
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Speaker 3: Do Jonathan and Penny go home and meet with Penny's dad?
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Speaker 2: Does that happen?
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Speaker 5: No, they're at the school. Johnson sent me a text, Dang,
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Speaker 5: what was going on? I told him just He asks
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Speaker 5: if he should go to the police with evidence. I said,
23:02
Speaker 5: just try to de escalate everything, you know, because it
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Speaker 5: was just everything was happening so fast. I told him
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Speaker 5: to de escalate is try to talk everything out.
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Speaker 3: It's so hard for a teen boy to talk to
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Speaker 3: a grown man who thinks he's protecting his fifteen year
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Speaker 3: old daughter.
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Speaker 2: Take close starcut four.
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Speaker 4: The message frightens Penny Lyles. Ryan Lyles alleges Penny Lyles
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Speaker 4: is afraid that she and Jonathan Stockel will be separated
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Speaker 4: from each other. Jonathan Stockell's aunt alleges that Ryan Lyles
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Speaker 4: has become abusive towards the teens and had gone so
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Speaker 4: far as to slash the tires and damage the ignition
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Speaker 4: of Jonathan Stockell's vehicle. Penny Lyles talks to a counselor
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Speaker 4: at the high school about alleged abuses by her father
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Speaker 4: and police are called. Stockall's aunt, April labob Boa, claims
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Speaker 4: police came to the school talk to Penny Lyles then
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Speaker 4: told her to go home with her father.
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Speaker 3: Let me ask Blaze Gomezer Wayne Stockhol what evidence supports
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Speaker 3: the claim that Penny's dad slashed tires and damaged the
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Speaker 3: ignition of Jonathan's vehicle.
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Speaker 5: He told me personally, who told you? Ryan? Penny's follow
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Speaker 5: told me I slashed his tires, I broke a key
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Speaker 5: in the egs nission and that Johnathan had another pickup
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Speaker 5: truck back at his house. Ryan said that he pulled
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Speaker 5: a distributor out of that.
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Speaker 2: But why did he do that? If in fact he did.
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Speaker 5: There's so much more to this story. So Jhonathon and
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Speaker 5: Penny went to the guidance council where the police went
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Speaker 5: there they told u Penny to go back to her parents.
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Speaker 3: We also learned that, according to reports on News twelve,
24:46
Speaker 3: a school counselor heard the whole scenario and told little
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Speaker 3: Penny Lyles to leave out the back door.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 4: According to a report on News twelve, after police talked
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Speaker 4: to Penny Lyles and tell to go home with her father,
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Speaker 4: Ryan Lyles alleges the school counselor tells Penny Lyles, if
25:05
Speaker 4: she wants to run, go out the back door. Lyles
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Speaker 4: further claims the counselor opened the door and let her
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Speaker 4: run out. This was about five point thirty in the afternoon,
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Speaker 4: the day eighteen year old Jonathan Stockel and fifteen year
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Speaker 4: old Penny Lyles went missing. Ryan Lyles says the teens
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Speaker 4: were afraid they'd be separated from each other and that's
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Speaker 4: why they called police to the school before they took off.
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Speaker 3: Wlis Gomez, what can you tell me about a school
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Speaker 3: counselor telling Penny, a teen girl, if she wants to
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Speaker 3: make a run for it and go out the back door.
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Speaker 7: Right, Well, that's what Ryan Lyles told me during our interview.
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Speaker 3: And you're talking about Penny's father, Ryan Lyles, Okay, go ahead.
25:44
Speaker 7: That's correct. Penny's father says that a school counselor let
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Speaker 7: his daughter slip out a back door while he was
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Speaker 7: waiting outside to take her from the school. At this point,
25:55
Speaker 7: the kids are petrified, allegedly that they're going to be separated.
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Speaker 7: After that, the father made these discoveries that he intended
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Speaker 7: to confront them about the kids. Allegedly also told authorities
26:08
Speaker 7: at that time that they had safety concerns that mister
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Speaker 7: Lyles had become abusive, and allegedly presented evidence to the
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Speaker 7: police that they were hoping would prevent them from having
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Speaker 7: to return home to mister Ryan Lyles's residence at that point.
26:26
Speaker 7: Ryan Lyles claims that a school counselor let Penny out
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Speaker 7: of back door while he was waiting outside to collect her,
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Speaker 7: and that Jonathan was already outside of the school and
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Speaker 7: was told to leave. Mister Lyles claims that at that
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Speaker 7: point the kids escaped.
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Speaker 2: Well the situation becomes more severe. Take a listener Cut seven.
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockell's parents and Thayer, Missouri talked to News twelve
26:54
Speaker 4: about their conversation and text messages with Jonathan Stockel. Stockell's
26:58
Speaker 4: mom and his dad said they believed these ran away
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Speaker 4: because they're afraid of Ryan Lyles, claiming there's a history
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Speaker 4: of abuse. They feel their son is in danger and
27:06
Speaker 4: say the last time they talked to him the day
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Speaker 4: they disappeared, he was running from people and was scared.
27:12
Speaker 4: Wayne Stockel, Jonathan's father, says he was running in the
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Speaker 4: woods out of breath and said, Dad, don't call me.
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Speaker 4: They're going to find me and kill me.
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Speaker 2: Wayne Stockel, what happened?
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Speaker 3: Your son is running through the woods afraid he's going
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Speaker 3: to be killed.
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Speaker 5: Yes. And at the same time I was calling Jonathan,
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Speaker 5: I was calling Ryan, I was calling the police. I
27:35
Speaker 5: was going from one to the other to the other.
27:38
Speaker 5: Ryan kept saying he was going to kill Johnthon. He
27:41
Speaker 5: said he would shoot Jonathan.
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Speaker 3: Well, Penny Lyles's dad, Penny's father, Ryan Lyles, told you
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Speaker 3: he was going to shoot your son.
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Speaker 5: Yes. And in the first set of texts that Jonathan
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Speaker 5: sent me where he said I'm going to we want
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Speaker 5: to go to the police, they said Ryan has a
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Speaker 5: house full of guns. I don't remember the exach text,
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Speaker 5: but it says Ryan that Penny's dad has lots of
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Speaker 5: guns in his house. So the fact that Ryan said
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Speaker 5: he was going to shoot him, and the fact that
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Speaker 5: Johnthan knew he had lots of weapons, so you know,
28:23
Speaker 5: of course Johnson's running for his right.
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Speaker 2: What kind of vehicle are they inn? Do you believe
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Speaker 2: a rabo? What year?
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, let me go with that to either Barry
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Speaker 3: Golden joining US former senior respector US Marshall Service and
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Speaker 3: now owner of Golden Consulting Investigations.
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Speaker 2: Also with me.
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Speaker 3: Domingo Ramos, founder of Hope Alive eight forty five, is
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Speaker 3: a search rescue nonprofit dedicating dedicated to finding family members
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Speaker 3: and bringing them home. If he's in a RAB four.
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Speaker 2: What did you say ninety eight ninety eight?
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Speaker 3: Is there any kind of a NAV system in that
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Speaker 3: that we could use? Barry or Domingo?
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Speaker 9: I doubt it, it's too old. But Nancy, keep in mind,
29:11
Speaker 9: do you have one key investigative tool right there in
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Speaker 9: that nineteen ninety eight Toyota Rev four with Oregon plates
29:18
Speaker 9: five four seven HRL. You have license plate readers all
29:22
Speaker 9: across the country that law enforcement use called LPRs if
29:26
Speaker 9: they're not using their cell phones or any other kind
29:28
Speaker 9: of digital media or this had the other. You've got
29:31
Speaker 9: license plate readers all over the place, but they just
29:34
Speaker 9: don't pop up by magic. Law enforcement has to go
29:36
Speaker 9: in there and put that plate into the system and
29:39
Speaker 9: see where the LPRs and Nevada and Missouri in New Mexico, Texas,
29:46
Speaker 9: anywhere along that corridor where they were stopped, any kind
29:50
Speaker 9: of fugitive case or missing person's cases, you're going to
29:52
Speaker 9: start at where you know they were. We knew on
29:56
Speaker 9: Friday eleven, twenty four, if ever twenty fourth, they were
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Speaker 9: in to Nopa, No Nevada. Okay, that's where the highway
30:03
Speaker 9: patrol stops the vehicle. Jonathan's let loose. He's he's not arrested.
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Speaker 9: There's no war in the system. He's free to go.
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Speaker 9: They take Penny into custody, and then Children's Services has
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Speaker 9: her and they're transporting her and somehow she gets away.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that happened in Nevada. Take a listen
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Speaker 3: to our friend Dave Matt and Cut twelve.
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Speaker 4: Two teens from Oregon were found by officials in Nevada
30:26
Speaker 4: on Friday, but they didn't stay found. News twelve confirms
30:29
Speaker 4: that the couple was pulled over by the Nevada Highway
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Speaker 4: Patrol in Tonafa. The case was then turned over to
30:33
Speaker 4: the Night County Sheriff's Office. Officials say Penny Lyles then
30:37
Speaker 4: escaped Division of Child and Family Services custody during a transport.
30:41
Speaker 4: The Klatsop County Sheriff's Office says it is not substantiated
30:44
Speaker 4: the allegations of abuse against Ryan Lyles. We reached out
30:47
Speaker 4: to Lyles via Facebook, but no one replied. According to
30:50
Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel's father, Wayne, Jonathan was free to leave, but
30:54
Speaker 4: wouldn't until Penny was in a safe place. Jonathan intended
30:57
Speaker 4: to follow the transport back to Oregon, but Penny slip
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Speaker 4: custody by asking to use the bathroom during the transport.
31:03
Speaker 4: It is believed that Jonathan Stockel was waiting outside in
31:06
Speaker 4: the car and Penny got in the car and they
31:08
Speaker 4: took off. Since the teens first ran away, they have
31:11
Speaker 4: been spotted in Bakersfield, California, where Penny Lyle's paternal grandmother
31:15
Speaker 4: used to live. They reportedly left the area when they
31:18
Speaker 4: couldn't find her.
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Speaker 3: So let me understand this. Wayne with me is Jonathan's father,
31:22
Speaker 3: Wayne Stockel. They were actually found in Nevada and then
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Speaker 3: Penny slipped custody.
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Speaker 2: Is that what happened?
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Speaker 5: Yes, And we spoke with the Nevada police, you know,
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Speaker 5: and we spoke with Jonathan and Penny, and we told
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Speaker 5: Penny that I had been talking with her grandmother, her
31:43
Speaker 5: dad's mother, and that her grandmother said she could go there,
31:47
Speaker 5: and they had license plate readers saying they had been
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Speaker 5: in California.
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Speaker 10: So I assumed that was who they.
31:55
Speaker 5: Were trying to find. So when we told Penny that,
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Speaker 5: she was like, she went from crying to I will
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Speaker 5: go to Nanna's house right now, she said, Nana, So
32:07
Speaker 5: I gave her the number. She called her grandmother. Her
32:10
Speaker 5: grandmother said she would need her follow this permission before
32:13
Speaker 5: she could go there. So Johnson and Penny called us
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Speaker 5: back from the police department, and Penny was extremely disappointed
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Speaker 5: that she could not go to the grandmother's house without
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Speaker 5: her dad's permission. Johnson said, Dad, I'm just gonna follow
32:31
Speaker 5: them while they transport her, and I just will stay
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Speaker 5: with her until I know she's in a safe place
32:38
Speaker 5: and then I will come home. He was free to leave.
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Speaker 5: Johnson said he was going to follow back Doorgon. I said, Johnson,
32:45
Speaker 5: I don't want you to go back to Oorgon. He said, Dad,
32:48
Speaker 5: I just care about Penny's safety. I'm not leaving until
32:52
Speaker 5: she's safe. My son's auld protector, so look out for
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Speaker 5: his brothers and sisters. So that's why I know me.
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Speaker 10: They never wanted to come here because he didn't want
33:06
Speaker 10: to bring everything here, and he said he was sorry,
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Speaker 10: but he just cares about her safety.
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Speaker 2: Mister stuckhole.
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Speaker 3: I've been looking through a series of texts and they're very,
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Speaker 3: very upsetting. If these texts are to be believed, then
33:29
Speaker 3: Penny is running, according to her from abuse in the home.
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Speaker 3: I don't have enough information to know whether that's true
33:41
Speaker 3: or whether that's something that she has fantasized, whether that's
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Speaker 3: an excuse she's using for running away with her boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: But I also know.
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Speaker 3: About other alleged threats, alleged threats by penny dad on
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Speaker 3: you and on your son. What can you tell me
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Speaker 3: about that?
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Speaker 5: I forward the text that Ryan sent us, don't sent me.
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Speaker 5: It's the only text that he sent me. Everything else
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Speaker 5: was on the phone. And just when we went to
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Speaker 5: the courthouse here, just from that text, they put a
34:26
Speaker 5: protection order in place.
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Speaker 3: So you currently have a protection order in place against
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Speaker 3: Penny's dad.
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Speaker 2: Is that true?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 3: What are the threats you say he leveled against you
34:37
Speaker 3: and your son?
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Speaker 5: He said that he was going to kill Jonathan. He
34:42
Speaker 5: said he was going to shoot Jonathan.
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Speaker 3: I'm also looking at texts It seemed to be from
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Speaker 3: Jonathan between you and Jonathan. Jonathan call me, we love you,
34:54
Speaker 3: and Jonathan responds, he said he was going to.
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Speaker 5: Shoot me Ryan told me he was going to shoot Counathan.
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Speaker 3: I want to go out to Blaze Gomez, who has
35:03
Speaker 3: been covering this from the get gopherend he's twelve. I'm
35:06
Speaker 3: looking at a text ostensibly from Penny's dad that says,
35:13
Speaker 3: and I assume this is too, mister Stockel, we know
35:17
Speaker 3: you're helping them. The last thing you need is us
35:20
Speaker 3: in fare. I'll be there soon, watching your family and
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Speaker 3: looking for my kid. I have all your older kids
35:27
Speaker 3: info as well. I will find Penny. You're a pile
35:32
Speaker 3: of Okay, mister Stockel, you don't seem like a pilot
35:36
Speaker 3: to me. You seem like a father that wants to
35:38
Speaker 3: find his son. Hold on, wait a minute, this isn't all.
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Speaker 3: Jonathan is going to get in prison.
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Speaker 2: For being a pedophile. You keep helping in giving them info.
35:51
Speaker 2: You be getting breed in prison too.
35:54
Speaker 3: Okay, Jonathan is a pedophile. You must have at him
35:58
Speaker 3: when he was a kid at your can't wait to
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Speaker 3: meet you.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Now, if this is actually from Penny Lyle's father, I
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Speaker 3: get why she went on the run. Uh you're telling
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Speaker 3: me Wayne Stockhol that want to look at this and
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Speaker 3: a court debut of protection order.
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, why is gems? What can you tell me?
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Speaker 7: Well, the family has given us a series of messages.
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Speaker 2: That peer to what family.
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Speaker 7: The Stockel family and the Lyle family have given us
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Speaker 7: several screenshots of text exchange exchanges and direct messages that
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Speaker 7: they've had with each other. The messages that you just mentioned,
36:45
Speaker 7: Nancy were also given to us by the Stockel family,
36:49
Speaker 7: you know, basically just making remarks that Jonathan is you know,
36:54
Speaker 7: a piece of garbage, that he's an alleged pedophile, that
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Speaker 7: he should be shot, that he authorities kill him, that
37:03
Speaker 7: he better not return to Oregon.
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Speaker 3: Wall Isn't this the same guy that offered for Jonathan
37:08
Speaker 3: Stockel to.
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Speaker 2: Move with his daughter and move in with his family.
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Speaker 7: That is Yeah, Jonathan had been living in an apartment
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Speaker 7: on the family's property, according to Ryan when we spoke
37:19
Speaker 7: with him last week. But he said that the couple
37:21
Speaker 7: had dinner with their family every night and that Jonathan
37:25
Speaker 7: was a part of the family and that's up until
37:27
Speaker 7: this all went down two weeks ago, that they were
37:29
Speaker 7: both model students, and that they didn't have any concerns
37:33
Speaker 7: that Ryan Lyles did not have any concerns about his
37:37
Speaker 7: children or their behavior.
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Speaker 2: Until now and all hell broke loose and all of.
37:41
Speaker 7: A sudden, we're seeing these texts.
37:43
Speaker 3: Yeah it taxts like that will get you a protective
37:45
Speaker 3: order joining me Barry Golden and Domingo Ramos. Domingo Ramos,
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Speaker 3: founder of Hope Alive eight forty five, a search and
37:52
Speaker 3: rescue nonprofit, Dimingo, what do we do now?
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Speaker 5: A lot of social media out there, outreach out there,
37:58
Speaker 5: this coup of flyers out more.
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Speaker 10: They start pushing out more with John Nay, contact with
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Speaker 10: Joonathan and Benny.
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Speaker 9: I mean they can be anywhere right now, anywhere.
38:09
Speaker 4: So I think our man heady is start really pushing
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Speaker 4: out on social media right now.
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Speaker 9: And the thing what I look at this case is
38:16
Speaker 9: that you've got law enforcement from Oregon and then they're
38:19
Speaker 9: spotted in Las Vegas, and now they may be in California.
38:23
Speaker 9: This is a missing fifteen year old girl. What about
38:26
Speaker 9: getting the federal authorities? Nobody has to get arrested on
38:29
Speaker 9: this part, but how about locating a missing fifteen year
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Speaker 9: old girl who is a minor. She cannot get consent
38:36
Speaker 9: to leave cross state lines out of Oregon. Okay, so
38:39
Speaker 9: let's get the federal authorities to assist. Let's blanket, Let's
38:43
Speaker 9: pull a full core press on this whole thing. Let's
38:46
Speaker 9: get up their pictures in California, in Las Vegas and
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Speaker 9: Nevada and every state where they may be. Let's get
38:52
Speaker 9: the federal authorities to assist, because they're one voice, the
38:55
Speaker 9: US Marshalls, the FBI. Okay, they have offices and every city.
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Speaker 3: So basically, Domingo Ramos is right pushing this out. More
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Speaker 3: on social Barry Golden joining US former Senior inspector US
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Speaker 3: Marshals is right to get the fence involved since there
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Speaker 3: is essentially a child a minor in place, and Lisa
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Speaker 3: Herrick remind me I want to go back to Wayne
39:19
Speaker 3: about any contact he's still having with Jonathan, Lisa Herrick,
39:23
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know about Romeo Juliet laws
39:27
Speaker 3: that gives prosecutors a very wide discretion if they're going
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Speaker 3: to prosecute over teen sex, including if a fifteen year
39:37
Speaker 3: old has sex with an eighteen year old. Many jurisdictions
39:41
Speaker 3: have similar laws. So Jonathan I believe is safe from prosecution.
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Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, I agree, based on what we know about
39:49
Speaker 8: their ages. I'm not sure exactly when Penny turns fifteen,
39:52
Speaker 8: but it seems like they are within the age range
39:56
Speaker 8: that would generally be protected by Romeo and Juliet Romeo
40:00
Speaker 8: and Juliette defense refers to it's an affirmative defense that
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Speaker 8: one could.
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Speaker 6: Use to.
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Speaker 8: State that what would otherwise be considered as statutory rape
40:13
Speaker 8: or sexual assault of a child is not illegal because
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Speaker 8: they are so close in age. And this is true
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Speaker 8: whether both are juveniles, or if one is a juvenile
40:23
Speaker 8: and one is a duel.
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Speaker 3: Right, it's basically decriminalizing teen sex anyway. I'm not advocating
40:32
Speaker 3: or condoning teen sex, but I also don't want teens
40:36
Speaker 3: to go to jail because they add to eain sex.
40:40
Speaker 3: Wayne Stockel, I can only imagine what's running through your mind.
40:44
Speaker 3: You want your son alive and safe, number one. You
40:48
Speaker 3: want him to come home. Also, you're thinking, has he
40:52
Speaker 3: ruined his whole life? Is he going to get prosecuted
40:54
Speaker 3: when we do find him.
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Speaker 5: When the kids were at the police department in Nevada,
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Speaker 5: we did a rally here and they said that they
41:03
Speaker 5: saw that rally on social media. I didn't ask them
41:07
Speaker 5: how we were just I was just so happy they
41:10
Speaker 5: were that my son was alive. I wish I had
41:15
Speaker 5: asked them how they saw that rally. The rally we
41:19
Speaker 5: had here, I called everybody. I said, let's do a
41:23
Speaker 5: hashtag we love Jonathan and Penny so they know they're
41:27
Speaker 5: not alone. So the town came together and we did
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Speaker 5: a big rally and we put.
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Speaker 6: That interject something yes jump in.
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Speaker 3: And also, do you think they have do you think
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Speaker 3: they have burner phones? That's the question I want to
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Speaker 3: throw out there right now. And Wayne Stockel, how do
41:43
Speaker 3: you know your boys saw the rally?
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Speaker 5: He told me he did while he was in the
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Speaker 5: Nevada Police Department.
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Speaker 2: How long ago was that?
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Speaker 5: That was Saturday? We went to bed Saturday, right, I
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Speaker 5: believe it was Saturday. We went to bed for the
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Speaker 5: first time, me and my wife to sleep. We ate
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Speaker 5: dinner the first time because we just thought everything was over, thank.
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Speaker 2: God, and now it started all over again. Bethany, I
42:12
Speaker 2: think it's.
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Speaker 6: Important to refocus that Penny and Jonathan believe that Penny
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Speaker 6: will be returned to the father, and they need to
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Speaker 6: know rallies aside and all of that, these kids are
42:22
Speaker 6: panicked that she will be returned to an abusive situation.
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Speaker 3: I want to reiterate that Ryan Lyles, Penny Lyle's father,
42:32
Speaker 3: denies any and all abuse. This is what I do know.
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Speaker 3: I do know that Penny Lyles is just fifteen years old,
42:42
Speaker 3: just turned She's five five, one hundred and twenty pounds long,
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Speaker 3: blonde hair, blue eyes. Jonathan Stockel, since he left home,
42:54
Speaker 3: has now turned eighteen. He's five eleven, one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty five pounds blondish brown hair.
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Speaker 2: With blue eyes. They are on the run.
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Speaker 3: They were last known to be in a ninety eight
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Speaker 3: Toyota RAV four with Oregan plates five four seven H
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Speaker 3: two nine two nine.
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Speaker 2: Please help us bring them home alive. Good by friend,