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Ep. 36 | Army of God – Spiritual Warfare w/ Bo Kennedy | Sasquatch & Sourdough · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_02: Well, welcome back to Sas Botch and Sourdough.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Christina, and guys, tonight it is a rainy, stormy night in Baltimore, but I have my dear, dear friend.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a podcaster, author, and kind of a spiritual mentor to me, the host of the Bump Podcast, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bo Kennedy in the studio.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, ma'am.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm very humbled by that introduction.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll I'm glad that we finally made this happen.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for being a guest on my podcast because it is your advice, your sound advice, um, and letting me tell my testimony on your podcast, Nary.
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  SPEAKER_02: A year ago, that this space and with your advice to give it to God was really kind of opened up.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I I thank you for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my audience hears that all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even if you're not listening, Bo, the audience hears all about you.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So your ears will be burning.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I I don't listen to very many shows periods.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I'll I'll do better.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not no.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is no guilt or condemnation here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I always get no, it's just funny because like I notice that a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like people are like, I never listen to any shows.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I listen to all the content.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I maybe it's me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I need to get a job or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm always catching up on people's stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I can do I can like listen to shows and then like do whatever I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you can't do that and you like have to actually like work and do things, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's tough, but yeah, I I could do better.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: And just for a heads up, there's a big storm that just moved in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can hear it outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's just uh add to that prayer that we don't get cut off here.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: So we have um we have had so many storms.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been like this is like I was talking to my friend, and I was like, I know I feel like I sound incredibly old ladyish, but this has been the most rainy summer in Maryland ever.
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  SPEAKER_02: We've had thunderstorms almost every night.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not gonna sit here and complain because of the terribleness that's happening in Texas.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every time I complain about the weather, I'm like, oh my gosh, shut up.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it is for real storming here.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're in West Virginia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're getting away.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had a drought last summer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like no rain.
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  SPEAKER_01: No rain at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: My AC went out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember that.
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  SPEAKER_01: The whole area was bombarded with yellow jackets, uh, like by the thousands, hundreds of thousands that were everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like people started talking about the plague.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but this year, it's like all of last year's rain is just hopping right in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know about you, but like, so when I was a little girl, I so my dad was a high voltage electrician.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he worked for B Genie.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he would always be up in like if there was a thunderstorm, he would be out working in it up on like utility poles.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like he was a lineman.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I would get really upset when he was out working and it would rain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And every time there was a thunderstorm, my nana would say that it was oh, what did she say?
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  SPEAKER_02: That it was like the angels bowling in heaven.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever hear that?
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I heard one.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I loved that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then so it was like the angels were like bowling in heaven, and every time you'd hear thunder, it was a strike, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_04: That was it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, nanas.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it would make me feel so much better.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're just having fun, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just angels up there, just bowling around with Jesus bowling.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_02: So speaking of heavenly battle and stuff going up, going on in the heavens, you have written a fantastic book that I have right here.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called Army of God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love this book.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was telling you off-air, Pocket Guide to Spiritual Warfare.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you are, you're probably not new to the show, but if you are and you've never heard anything about spiritual warfare, um, if you go back and we've done a couple episodes with Fellowship of the Fringe, but anytime you like look up spiritual warfare content, I feel like it's extremely dense, we are talking about like second, third, all the heavens, whatever's happening.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it gets really dense really fast.
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  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I just want to like figure out what's going on in my heart and brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I need something like, hey, I need like a good scriptural reference.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel this way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_02: And this this book, I told you, like, has really been helping me because I feel like I'm in a battle myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for this book because it's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for uh for bringing it up.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can tell you a little bit about what got it started if you want me to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because it's kind of a cool story.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's basically um a bunch of stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: See, I say a lot of ums.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I apologize ahead of time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um these are these folks have been here.
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  SPEAKER_02: They know this is what they're gonna hear.
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  SPEAKER_02: They hear me all the time.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um like uh it's this is basically uh a compilation of sermons and lessons that I've done in my church.
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  SPEAKER_01: My pastor asked me a couple of years ago if I was ready to start teaching or preaching, and I told him no.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I put it off for a few months, and and then I felt like the Lord had really given me a word.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I put together a lesson, and it was like an hour and 15 minutes of me standing there behind the pulpit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And once a month I started doing that, and I learned quickly that you lose everybody's attention in church after about 20 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was sitting there getting a lot of like, mm-hmm, you know, a lot of a lot of nods and agreement, but nobody paying attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but there was just so much, I just felt like I felt led to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so after two years, two and a half years of doing it, um my wife was like, why don't you shorten things?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I I tried doing that, and I just felt like I wasn't getting enough content to people.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what I did was I took my notes and I pulled up the scripture that I had had used for reference and I just put it into like chapter form.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, that's what the book is.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's 11 different aspects of spiritual warfare, how the enemy comes at us from different angles, and how we can overcome that through Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the last chapter is it's a call to Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, if anybody doesn't have Jesus in their life as their Lord and Savior, it's uh it's a short and simple explanation of how to uh how to give it all to him.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I just like I don't know, I I've been reading it at the pool and it's been really nice because I'm it's funny because I'm sure if my anybody's like I always look at like what people are reading at the pool.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you are a part of pool culture, but I am immersed in it here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm way too pale for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But like I'm always just like, oh, people are probably like, what is she reading?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's this and like the paranormal ranger, like whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: I look like a widow, but whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I like reading it at the pool, and I just you make it so condensed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, and that's what I really like about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it would be so perfect for people if people are out there listen, like look listening and looking for um, like if you have a small group at church and you're bored with all the like Joyce Meyer content and the stuff that like is pretty stuffy, that church I feel like sometimes church content can be really, really stuffy if you want to have like a small group and they're like, here, you can choose from the library, and you're like, Oh, Joyce Myers from the 1980s.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but one thing I actually put a smiley face down.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you kind of condense like the verses down a little bit, which I like.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so this was on page 33, and you're kind of talking about um, I just like wrote all kinds of notes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh but so we kind of like get into like dude, you start talking about like witchcraft, things like that.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um and like so you're basically saying like speaking curses, like we can speak curses over each other in our in ourselves in our everyday speak, which I am terrible at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, we curse ourselves so much in the ways that things just come out of our mouth that we're not even thinking before we speak.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I am definitely trying to get better at that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you kind of go through like this is what it is to kind of curse like yourself and others, but then you get I love it, you're just like, okay, now let's speak life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you talk about um, you're in Romans, and then you get into you say Jesus lays out the structure to follow in his perfect prayer in Matthew 6, 5 through 13.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's break those down.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I love that you put verses seven through eight.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't be all repetitive and fancy.
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  SPEAKER_02: God already knows.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I just put a smiley face by that.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, yeah, don't be all repetitive and fancy.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can just pray.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I think about that a lot because I'm praying for a bunch of people in my life, and I'm praying over my family, like all obviously, like most of the time, all day, every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I catch myself, like, you don't have to keep repeating the same prayer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, God knows.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it almost feels like I don't know if you agree with this, but I feel like we should just kind of present ourselves like, God, I'm feeling this way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I keep feeling like I have to bring this to you, like, why?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like asking why instead of just asking for like the babbling prayer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it totally makes sense.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: It um I just look at it like you're talking to a to your father, like your literal father or your friend, um, because that's that's who he is, you know.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I get caught up sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll hear like if if you do a corporate prayer in church and somebody says Father God at the end of each sentence, I'm like, I think he knows who you're talking to by now.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just you can just calm down a little bit, just talk to him, and it's super important after you talk is to take time to listen.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um because sometimes you're like, God, just give me an answer, and then you whip out TikTok and you're done.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so bad at that.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Guilty, right?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but it's that's the thing, like prayer is supposed to be a conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um like I said, he already knows, but he wants you to bring it to him, he wants you to know, you know, just admit that you gotta surrender a little bit of that self-control, you know, stuff.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's usually probably wrapped up in a lot of pride, at least for me.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Or just uh that that feeling of if you're the person in your life that has to handle everything.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: It might not it might not even be like an intentional pride.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just how many times have we prayed, God, show me how to do this, show me what to do, show me, tell me what to say, instead of just surrendering it to him and let him work through us.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's uh it'll be a lot easier that way.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: I do that a lot now that I think about it.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: I probably do too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like I have to, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I told you, like, there's a big thing that's going on in my life that I was just like, oh yeah, I gave it to God.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was like, now I'm like telling people that I gave it to God, and then I'm like also kind of stewing on the inside because I'm not really talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, I got convicted today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I like read your book and I was like swimming around the pool and I was like, God, I really like I don't have any time with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: What am I doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a hot mess, like crying in the pool.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: These people are like this wrong, this woman.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: But like, you know, you get you get hit and convicted, and it's just it is what it is.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like, you know, I got that prideful moment of like you, you are you're saying that you're giving it to me, but yet if you're trusting me with it, then why aren't you like okay to talk about it?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, or why are you afraid?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's that fear, yeah, right?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Something very similar.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Something very similar.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm I went through it this very week, actually.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's a a person that I'm concerned for, right?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, for a myriad of reasons.
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  SPEAKER_01: And probably a year ago I told God that I was gonna lay it at his feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna quit worrying about it, I'm laying it down and I'm I'm backing off of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let you know, I'm not gonna try to control this, I'm not gonna try to to make things better giving it to you.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that was all well and good until in the last couple of weeks there's been an an issue come up and it brought all that flooding back to my mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I unintentionally but I picked it back up off the altar, you know, and now I'm I'm trying to carry it again.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And what I did in that process is one, it wasn't that I was intentionally not trusting in God, it's just that I allowed from guilt, from uh pride, from uh just a natural wariness kind of outlook.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: I opened a window to depression and uh I started packing that around and I was feeling low.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I could only see things that were bringing me down.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see you know, I I recognized the the good in my life because things were great in my personal life, but I just started focusing on the the bad and looking up bad stuff, like things that just make me more depressed, and that's easy to find, right?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so we go to church last week, like on the 6th of July.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I went to church and I started testifying about you know, I was going through a slump, but you know, God is good.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we had a guest preacher in, and this lady who she was actually the mother of the of the guest preacher.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I go to a uh it's a non-denominational tiny little church, right?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: It used to be a garage.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: We've repurposed it into a church.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: We got like 40 or 50 people.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I love that.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's real small, real intimate.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, everybody knows each other.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's so great.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this lady stands up, she's like, I want you to come up here.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I walked up and we went through deliverance on me.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's awesome.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right in front of everybody, and she called it out for what it was.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: She said, You have a spirit of depression on you, and we want to get that out right now.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: And we went, we went at it.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, glory be to God.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: But it's that easy, so good, you know, it's that easy.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like you your intentions might be good, but you're still you're opening yourself up to things.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: And uh because I think at the end of the day, it's really a disobedience, right?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like it is.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: You you either just put it on, like you said, I love that you I love that you said I took it off the altar.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because how many times do I sit there and say, God, I'm done, I'm laying it at your feet.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Here it is, here it is, here it is.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I've been on my knees doing that, and then here I am again, literally, though.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, did the same thing, felt the same thing, told my husband, I was like, I'm feeling it.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I was like, I'm telling you, I'm I can feel like because for me, like, so I guess when you talk about spiritual warfare, I think sometimes people feel like they want to talk about like, oh, I'm in, oh, something's coming, the battle's coming, you know.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Look, we're already in it, like we're always in it.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: What I mean, it's just constant.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's be real.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's what I love about your book.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Cause you're not just kind of like, when it comes, you know, like this thing's gonna descend like a principality.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: We think it's so grand.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not, it's literally like I said to my husband, I was like, I'm telling you, man, I feel I feel something in my spirit that should not be there.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: I had peace about this thing last week.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy because I'm sitting there being like, oh man, I've got such great peace.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: God's given me such peace about this.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: This is so great.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then literally something happened, I don't know what it was, no idea.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: But now, next thing you know, I'm old patterns of behavior.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm sitting there thinking just everything is negative, everything is just, you know, same thing, literally the same thing.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, what is I can feel the depression wanting to come back.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Just like knocking down, like, hey, I'm here.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so then my question to you is like, yeah, how do you deal with that?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you because I know some people will be like, oh, there's a demon.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Something, some I want to name the demon, I want to figure out what it is, blah, blah, blah.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: We get down that road, which is the worst thing for me, because then I get distracted and I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing, right?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: So should we try to figure out name things?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Should we try to figure out exactly what like when you say the doors open or there's a foothold or you know, something, do we figure that out ourselves?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Do we ask God, what do we do with like then what do you do?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's funny you asked.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've been asked that several times lately.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and I just had to go through it.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Almost like you wrote a book about it.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I think it's great if you can identify exactly what it is, um, call it out for what it is.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: If it's a spirit of depression, you don't have to say, hey, um, spirit of depression, third rank demon from the left, you know, all that kind of junk.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but to recognize it as as that, that's great.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Call it out, cast it out.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if it's just like a like I told a guy this morning, a blanket statement is fine.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: They know who you're talking to.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh anything in on or around me in the name of Jesus Christ, you have to leave.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're you have no authority.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: I renounce any ties we have, that kind of stuff.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um that can get rid of it.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh my mind works so fast sometimes uh and so scatterbrained that I already forgot the second part of this question.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, no, I just like that's I mean it's basically me too.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm super scatterbrained all the way.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um but like that's kind of that's just kind of it.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, right?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like I want to know.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, the host does not.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, how do those how do you know what you know what do you do?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: How do you figure it out thing?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I'll go back to the example for for me three days ago, four days ago, uh immediately when that woman was talking to me, I started thinking, what did I do to bring this on?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: And she was spitballing, you know, anything that you because she know I I I'm trying to keep it clean for uh for kids, but you know, with a man, typically the the problem is they open a door to what looking at stuff they shouldn't look at.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: So here I am up there getting depression cast away from me.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, I don't know if there's something you've been watching.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, lady, I that's that's not my that that sin's not mine.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: But right, but what that did, it was just it got me thinking, well, what is it?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: What what did I do?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so I get in the truck with my wife coming home, and she's like, So what'd you watch?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, No, it's not like that.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh she said, Well, you know, she had her ideas of where this root issue could come from.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I had my my first thought, I told her what I thought it was, and she said, I think you need to search your heart because I I think it's deeper than what you think it is.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to come up with a surface answer.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry for sounding vague, but I don't want to air out on the launder here with family.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: But it it was a family thing, right?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um is what I thought.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I do that, and that's what I would I would recommend.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Go into prayer, talk to God.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: I and I asked him, I said, search my heart.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I just talk to him like like you're talking to a therapist, you know, tell him what you think is going on, ask him if you're on the right path, ask him to show you things, and by the end of it um I I can share this part.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: By the end of it, it I feel like it was revealed to me, and I was able to accept it and have dealt with it today, as a matter of fact, and it was okay, it didn't hurt this time.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um that I was carrying a lot of guilt.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have an uncle who is in his final stages of cancer, right?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's lost like 140 pounds, he's he's on his way home.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I I'm not gonna be able to go down and see him.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen him in a few years, and that was I felt like it was my fault that I haven't because for years before that he and I and my dad would get together and we would do what I called a man cation, you know.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Every spring we would pick a place.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's in Texas.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in West Virginia.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we would pick pick a place in like Arkansas or Mississippi.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we would meet up and we'd spend four or five days in the woods together and just camp.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the last two or three two or three years I haven't done it.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he's messaged me several times like, Bo, when are we going to do something?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, man, I'm just busy.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just busy.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm out of time.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think when I got the message from other family members and it flared all that up.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I s I I held on to some kind of guilt over that.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which has nothing to feel guilty over.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he doesn't want me to to quit my job so I can go, you know what I mean, go on a vacation or something like that.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I allowed that vulnerability.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and I don't think we should go around like robots or anything like that.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: But it's our it's our weak spots, you know, that the the enemy's looking for to get in on.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: But to answer what you were asking about is ask the Lord to search your heart.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't figure it out, he'll know.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if you sit down long enough to listen, he'll tell you.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's so good though.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: That just reminded me when you said it's like the weak spots, like the soft spots.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like I always think I don't I don't know where I picked it up in some something I was reading, but I always would get these kind of in my mind, like, oh, I just got like hit by an arrow.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can just tell when it's like, oh, something, something kind of came in.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think that at least I guess we probably have to give ourselves more credit because at least we're at this point.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're probably a little bit more mature than I am, but like in our walk where we can at least realize that there's something uncomfortable happening in my spirit.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm no longer operating at my baseline.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not operating in the promises of God.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not up, I'm not walking in peace.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not walking in the fruits of the spirit.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Something has happened, something shifted.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um discernment.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's definitely discernment, but like I think also, I think sometimes what happens is people want to just, like I said, always want to make it this, and I think in this space it happens a lot too.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: People want to make it not like they just want to supernaturalize everything.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they always want something to have been like a demon.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I definitely have caught myself doing that.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: There have been several times where like I'll have a really good podcast episode with somebody, and literally I'll sit down in my den and like decompress, because I have to like decompress after I talk to somebody because I'm all jazzed up.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so like I sit in my den and I'm just like, all right, I want to like listen to LA Morzulli talk about aliens again.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just want to not like somehow that makes me not think, but like I just want to sit and not think and literally I'll hear like a barred owl outside.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, what's that?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, no, what are you doing?
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: Stop being like, come on, it's just now.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: But there have been a couple of times where I'm like, okay, I like I'll journal, like journal it and see if there's like an actual trend.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: But I've heard people do that with other things too, where it's just like you want to find that spooky, supernatural sort of twinge to all this when it really isn't all that.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like it could just really be like I feel like crap because, yeah, I feel guilty because of something.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes people are just a jerk, you know, they don't have to be possessed, they're just they're just a jerk, you know.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, we have so much thunder happening right now.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: See, I could be like, what's that?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: People do that all the time with like equipment.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I'm just like, guys, your live stream did not crash because the enemy is attacking you.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's because you were operating like a PC from the 2008 when you're trying to like live stream off.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Although I know, so that's the thing, right?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I wanted to kind of because I will definitely, like I said, I'm more on the side of uh I'm not gonna over supernaturalize, right?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: But can you speak to that?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, when I know discernment's a big thing, but like when is it very clear that somebody is having something a little bit more than just a regular, like just I'm off kilture spiritually?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like something is a possession or something is something really I need to get deliverance for this.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: And what does that look like for people?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if it's uh that's it's kind of like uh to like an individualistic, you know, it's like it's it's different for different people, and I'm not trying to like dodge that question.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's like uh but it it is, and if it's something that you don't normally struggle with or that you used to struggle with and you've defeated, but it's like everywhere you look, um, that could be a little bit of a sign, I think.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think uh just it's discernment.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, it's like when like I don't know about you, but I don't believe in coincidence.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't either.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: So like if bringing up the owl thing, right?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I just I told you before we started, and I'm not trying to bring up Lilith.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, but like, look, I have I'm so tired of Lilith.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I am too.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: But just to like for for an example of As soon as I said owl, I was like, oh crap.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it's gonna go.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: It is what it is.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was on uh like Nelly gave me a shout-out one time.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Nelly, dancing to a fair, we love him.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I will plug that show every time I get a chance.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: I love what he does.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: He uh he was giving me a shout-out, right?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: About the whole Lilly thing.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I heard that.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: And he was talking about owls, about how that that could be related to her in such a way um that you know there's a connection between all that, and he was talking about that, and in that very moment, I was driving, I was I was actually in the woods, I was checking my hunting spots, and I was on this little logging road, and I heard him mention my name, and I swear I'm not narcissistic, but I just wanted to hear what he had to say, right?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I I stopped, I stopped my Jeep and I backed it up and I was listening to what he had to say, and I just replayed that part, and in the exact second he was talking about it, a barred owl lit in a tree right beside me.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, uh I know I'm in the woods, right?
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: But why did an owl land beside my running jeep?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like in the in the five seconds that it was being brought up, that is kind of like a I maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I took that as like we're watching.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I think you know what?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, I could probably come up with like 15 different like Lord of the Rings points or something where it's any sort of war, right?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: So getting back to this is spiritual warfare.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like we are in a battle, so then yeah, there's gonna be scouts.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think I think the main thing with that is don't give it the attention, don't make an idol out of it.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right, you know, that's good.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Don't study it if you're not called to study it.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like if if you're not supposed to be writing a book about it or you know, helping people through it or whatever, I don't even know.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, ask God about it.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: But don't sit there.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: I tell people all the time, like, don't sit on this content just to doom scroll, you know, spirituality.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: I do that terribly, and that hurts my soul too.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really good point.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Here it is.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the here's the foothold right here.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm holding up my phone, audio listeners.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, that's that's it, right?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: We have we have all this information.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, what is it?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: What does a barred owl mean?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I used to do that all the time when I was like, you know, a little goth girl, like trying to figure that stuff out.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the same thing.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: It is it's almost kind of like let me ask the tarot card, what are you doing?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you mean, barred owl?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's just an owl, right?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: It could be, it could be, and that's a very good point.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe just a stupid owl.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a good point to bring up uh about not making idols out of this stuff.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh lilith, lilith, lilith.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, great, we get it.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and not being drawn in the allure, yeah, the whole allure of the creepy.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Look, I promise you, anybody.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love the allure of the creep of the creepy, though.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love the already.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we all do, right?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's why that's why we're doing what we do, right?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but like with deliverance or exorcism or whatever title you want to put on it, if you are fascinated by demons in a way that it's like if they're entertaining to you or whatever.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: If you're like, I want to do this, you're probably not being caught into it.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: It it's probably a seduction.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's like a temptation from the enemy.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you may not be equipped for that fight yet.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't go looking for it.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um exactly.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I like I try not to be like, I guess, I don't know.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want to uh what is that?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like you don't want to egg something on too.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, you don't want to be like, oh my God's better than yours, even though obviously it is, but like, you know, you don't want to be that way, antagonistic, I guess, and prideful and arrogant in you know, that because that's another way too.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Boast in the Lord, not in yourself, right?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, I don't know.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: I just I always it's so funny because I bring that up and I'm like, man, but then sometimes I'm like, I go back in my journal, I'm like, what was that?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was crazy.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: One time it was so obvious.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like my husband, I finished a podcast, my husband and I went outside and had a fire.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't live like in the woods, we live in like an urban area.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's a huge lamp, like lamp, like street lamp, and this thing is on this wire.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what is that?
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Is that an owl?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Oh no, it's a I don't even know what other bird he said.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, that thing is huge.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then it just like took off.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay, oh, hi, owl.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, cool.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think it might have actually been the first episode of Fellowship of the Fringe or something like that.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: It was something that was like, we had a really good talk.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: But then it's like, well, what do I do with that?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what am I supposed to be afraid of the owls?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm gonna say, okay, God, you obviously called me to do this content, so you're gonna protect me.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna write this down in my journal and just use it as a reference, I guess.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: But oh man, we said we weren't gonna talk about Lilith.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: Look, everybody, listen, Bo is not the Lilith guy, so stop, stop it.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're done.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is it.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I'll open my big mouth.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll open my big mouth.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: I did a little research, and that was it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was personal research that I happened to I know.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I gave it away on Tony's show, and then it was like bombardment of emails, and it's so funny.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is the one.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really relevant, it's a really relevant thing, you know.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's a very like it's trendy because it's in TV shows, it's in cartoons, it's in video games.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: But let's quit giving her all the attention.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: All right, right.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: There was a whole fair, Lilith fair in the 90s.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: I did not go.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: If I did, I probably should be repenting.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: We should repent of it.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: All my friends that went.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: If you believe in repenting, you should probably repent.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely picked up some witchcraft there.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: But no, now you're like the spiritual warfare guy and I like it.
• 35:06
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: So you were telling me you had um you have like a cool testimony that came out of the book.
• 35:11
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: A guy from somewhere.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this guy from Sweden.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's awesome.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: He he messaged me because he couldn't buy the book in Sweden.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that was kind of weird.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's only available on Amazon.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they don't have Amazon.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: But he was like, uh, how much is your book?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want to buy it.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll just pay you.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, I'll just send you a copy, right?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because how how easy is that?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I tell you, it's not easy.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: It took like two weeks to get there, and it cost me, and I'm not worried about it.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: I thank the Lord, and I've been repaid.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you probably don't even have to tell.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know exactly how much that probably cost you.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: I did not know at the time.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was not prepared.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you, it was like$68 to send that book.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was thinking in the hundreds.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was like$68 because it's a tiny little hundred-page book, you know.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was like$68, but then he had to pay a pickup fee of like another$15.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: You're so nice, Bo.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I want him to have the book.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like if somebody asks for it, you you gotta do it.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's obedience, right?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, he got it today.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: And that's awesome.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: We were scheduled to talk this morning, and we did, and he had just got the book.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I I thought that was awesome.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: But um Sweden.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: It it was wonderful.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: But this guy, and it's like one of those things like I felt so awkward because he had told me that listening to the show helped bring him back to Christ, because he had gotten into like the occult and like some some pretty fringy out there stuff, and uh that the show actually helped him to come back and that makes doing it worth it.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if if he's the only person that that gets through to, it's like your show is your ministry.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting through to somebody, like somebody's listening to you and they're dependent on that.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so that makes what you're doing so much more important than anything else.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like oh, thanks about.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Please send an email so I know.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of a little bit of love and support, encouragement.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: It is tough.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's tough.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I just don't, I mean, I can tell, and then we talked about this.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can see the numbers.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I know people are w listening, and people are watching, but I guess no news is good news, you know.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's better than I'm sure you probably got a lot of these.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: I got somebody when I it was like my first couple episodes, was like, I stopped listening because audio quality and you kept saying like an um, it's like, okay, bye, Felicia.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: See ya.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like go talk to somebody, I don't know, whatever.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like a 12-year-old.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: That that's something that that is so common.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like when something doesn't make you happy, they have no problem complaining.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: But if they love the show, yeah, they just love the show and they keep it to themselves.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: They just keep listening to it, right?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: So and and that's that's that's great, but it doesn't hurt to give people flowers while you're while they're with them, right?
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I know.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for that compliment.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: I take that.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: I will receive that.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: I just love that people from Sweden are reaching out to you.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that was cool.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you sold over 500 copies.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank the Lord.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thank the Lord.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know what's happened this last week.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just like it just surged back up again.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's going on.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know like if it got shared somewhere or if somebody bought a bunch of copies.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: But in like the last week, there's been like another 60 copies sold.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like for like an independent, you know, self-published kind of thing.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's really that's really cool.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm humbled.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm um I hope it helps people.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's that's the whole point.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not getting hardly anything off the book as far as that goes.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I also have to be able to do that.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, by the time you publish it.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like, and that's that's why the the price point is so weird.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry if this this conversation ain't going the way you want it to.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I don't mean to bogart anything.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding me?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is what this whole I don't you think I control this thing?
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know what's happening.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the the the price point for the book, I came up with it, and I just thought it was kind of quirky, and I I told my wife about it because I I don't know.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like it was just fun for me, but it makes so much sense to how much is I don't even know.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: I just I just bought it.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's$12.17.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay,$12.17.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: What scripture is it, Bo?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's Mark 1217.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's Mark 1217, and that's where Jesus says to render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: So Amazon can take all their cut.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, that is so funny.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll just take, you know, whatever's left over.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: So that's hilarious.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: I was just like, here, take my money.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Of course I'm gonna buy this.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think I did you do pre-ordering?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: I was just like, I absolutely.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: Of course I'm gonna buy your book.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because I listened to the little because you you put some episodes out that were kind of like basically chapters.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I like listened to those and I was like, this is so handy, because then I just have them.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Look, it's uh my copy is already dog eared.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'll have you know.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what I'm gonna do.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: I see that.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: I see some uh some post-notes in there.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I know.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm one of those people.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: I have a tabbed Bible and all on jazz.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: So um, oh my goodness.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm trying to think of like what else because you go into, like I said, like you go into like principalities, you go into like kind of all, you just break down sort of all the really the meat of like spiritual warfare.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: Was there something that you really I mean, was there any sort of big catalyst where you were like, I'm seeing this in people, they really need to have this right now?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Anything like that that like just really made you do it, like put it all together and start it, or yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um again, it was kind of personal.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like our little church stays under attack.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean under attack.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like other churches in the area say that we're a cult.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: They said that we are snake handlers, they say all kinds of crazy stuff about us.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there's that, there's like that, and all that's done done is bring more people.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh all that's done is make people like, well, what are they saying up there?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're preaching the Bible.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we're doing.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it's other churches that are saying that and not like community people?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was it was a couple other churches in the community.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um but not only that, like families in our churches come under like spiritual attack, like um with addiction, with um just like happily married couples falling apart.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was just like the the more we would seek the Lord, the more challenges we would face.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then like goofy stuff would happen.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I say goofy, but it's not goofy in the moment, like um guitar strings breaking while you're trying to worship the Lord, and then the microphones start squilt squelching, and uh people start like everything goes wrong, you know what I mean?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like the power goes out right in the middle of it.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, okay, so obviously we need to understand spiritual warfare, we need to understand how important it is to pray, or maybe even, and we've done it before, stop a service right in the middle and just rebuke whatever's around you and then go back to worshiping God.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: And but yeah, it's just like my whole life looking back, like the last 30 years of it has been thwart with spiritual warfare.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: Some of it I brought on myself, some of it maybe I maybe it was generational, I don't know.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's just something that I just felt led into.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's nothing that I want to do.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do it now because I got in God's will.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like it's one of those things like I was saying don't don't do it out of fascination.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Do it if you're if that's their the direction that God calls you into.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's like a super short chapter in here on for on forgiveness.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Have you looked at that chapter yet?
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, can you remind me what page it's on?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 46, I think.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Look, see everybody, this is an example of how you can buy this book and you can even just with two people have a little small group.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: See?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: Look at that.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do it.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, chapter six.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, forgiveness is that's seriously what we just always are bad at, isn't it?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't I don't know why, maybe uh I don't know.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I opened my my my copy that I keep here on my on my desk or around me, and I was I was just trying to think of like what should I talk about?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the one that jumped out at me.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if it's that I need to have more forgiveness, which I probably do, or if maybe somebody listening is having a little little trouble with forgiveness.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: But um I that's this is what I wanted to hit on if the opportunity arose.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: So uh um just a few little points out of it.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and each chapter, uh, for those that are listening, each chapter is a topic.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to read it through like a traditional storybook or anything like that.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, hey, I want to know about um the basics of spiritual warfare.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Go to chapter two.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um I want to know about temptations or trials.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Go to chapter one.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Forgiveness is chapter six.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's only like three or four pages long.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I wanted to point out that I'll just read straight through on some of it.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: If that's okay.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: It says uh God not only forgives our trespasses, but he even forgets them.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's how we know that these old thoughts are the devil trying to get our focus off of the cross and onto ourselves.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I know it sounds weird to say that God forgets things.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I made sure I had scripture to back that up.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in Isaiah 4325, and I I use the New American Standard 1995 edition.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't use King James hardly ever, which that in and of itself is a problem around my area.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um you had a lot of Baptists up there.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's what's going on.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, KJV only.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then they tell you what that means, and it's like, oh, guess what?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: My Bible already tells you what it means.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just flat out, and so whatever.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it says in Isaiah 43, 25, it says, I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's God, that's a prophetic word from God saying that he's not going to remember your sins.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we have to be forgiving because Jesus says that if we have anything against anybody, we have to to forgive them so God will forgive us of our transgressions, right?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that's in Matthew, um, that's in Mark.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: But um there's a couple other things too.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if we have an ought with somebody, like if me and you are arguing with each other, and I'm sorry, right?
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: I feel horrible about it, I want things to get better, but my stubbornness and my pride won't let me apologize until you go first.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, all that's gonna do is build up more resentment.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's gonna build up bitterness.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's why we have to humble ourselves, and even if we're not the one that initiated the wrong, or even if we're not the one in the wrong, we need to apologize for our share in that, right?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um because in Ephesians chapter 4, verses 26 and 27, it says, be angry.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so being angry is okay.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: It says, but yet do not sin, do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you're holding on to that resentment and you're holding on to that bitterness, it's gonna turn into some kind of ugliness, right?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, where's the look?
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's a rule in our house.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like we do not let the sun go down on our anger.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and usually it's me, I'm usually the problem with that.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: So well, and you're bringing up something that's really like I think we touched on earlier, where it's like guilt, and guilt is definitely, I think, a root of not forgiving ourselves.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: And especially in, I think if there's any sort of trauma and childhood, all that sort of stuff, like that's where all my stuff comes from is I was trying to be the fixer early on in a broken relationship.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: So that just keeps coming.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's just something that always, I mean, the devil always comes back with that, right?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and definitely tries to attack my family.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I've seen some, I mean, glory to God.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've seen him move and just work in my own personal family, like my husband and my son, where I know that he has taken and broken things off.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like my sister and I actually had like literally the same week, I was like, I feel like God just broke something.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like something broke.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: And she felt that too.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, now I know this is getting a little off topic, because like, but is that could it be something like as simple as like I'm not forgiving myself, or is it something so deep that I'm getting attacked now because a generational thing was broken off a little bit?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't want to say it's like, oh, something good, something bad, but sometimes it's just so obvious that, like, okay, well, great, now here comes another one, you know.
• 50:17
  unknown: Right.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't know.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: But forgiving ourselves, I think we just forget to do that.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and that's that's kind of how this chapter ends, you know.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, that's right, it does.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I I say on here on 48, uh, another way to look at it is are we hurting or suffering over whatever we're clinging to more than Christ already suffered?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's heartbreaking.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I said that all the time.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: He died for our forgiveness, right?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and for the forgiveness of our sins.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: So if we won't let it go, why did he get crucified?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um we we can't let him we can't let that be in vain in in any count.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not to make you feel guilty over not letting something go, but it's just showing you the urgency of letting it go.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: And to talk about self-forgiveness, um I got a quick little story, and I won't I won't read it, I'll just tell you about it.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know how you feel about hunting.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I obviously love to hunt, but um Bo has a deer head behind him.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't care about hunting.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think better than some of the poor cows what they have to go through.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, don't get me started.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I think it's fine.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: I should I should pan the camera up and look at the the amazing rack on that deer.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um but did you name it?
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Does he have a name?
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um he has a it's a non-typical buck, right?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: So looking at it, it looks like he has five points, maybe.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when you get in close, there's like 13 points on that deer.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's just all like weird looking.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I called him Gnarles Buckley.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Nice because he because he's gnarly looking.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um last year, at the beginning of the year, uh I went I went deer hunting, and I got to my hunting spot, and I sat down, and it wasn't even daylight yet, and there was something a little weird that happened when I first sat down, which is unrelated, but it's like we're we're on a fringy type show, so I'll just tell you.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I I sat down, and it's pitch black dark outside, and I I positioned myself behind a couple of fallen trees.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: They they ran horizontally in front of me, and then another one ran um to my right.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's almost like a little nature-made fort that I tucked myself down into, right?
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Primo hunting spot.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh after I sat down and got comfortable, I heard something that sounded extremely large breathing um like right behind me, and I thought, dear Lord, please don't let me have sat myself down beside of a black bear, you know.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what it sounded like.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it it it breathed a couple of times and then it went away.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: I never heard it walk, I never heard anything go, but after about 90 seconds, I was kind of over it, you know, because I didn't die.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I must be okay, right?
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but that was weird.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was totally bigfoot in there.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: Totally bigfoot, you know.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: Totally bigfoot.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, so that that was a weird thing, but the the thing uh I was there doing is I was praying, right?
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like as you do, it was still dark.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: I had time to spend with the Lord, and I was just searching my heart.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very important thing to do.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I was I felt like I had unforgiveness in my heart.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I started thinking about people who have done me wrong, people who are still just like misunderstanding me.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm like, no, I'm not mad at them over that.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've I've already forgiven this person over that.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I don't hold anything against these people.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then it hit me like a ton of bricks um that I needed to forgive myself.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: And a big part of that prayer is I was I was really calling on the Lord, right?
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I'm not gonna say I had a vision, because uh that would be strong, uh strong words, because I don't think it was a vision, but I did see something in my mind.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was like I was like, listen to me, you know, I need you pay attention to me.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: And in my mind, and I I still get choked up just thinking about it, in my mind I saw like this this big set of shoulders, right?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when I was like, listen, in my mind I just felt like I saw the Lord just kind of turn, like to lend me his ear.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I got scared to death.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like the fear of the Lord is real, and I felt like, oh my gosh, he he's really listening.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like the creator of the universe is listening to my, you know, this this punk sitting here uh on a hillside, right?
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um just whining in a holler somewhere.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just letting her rip in a holler, and here he is listening to me.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I felt like I had and I was like, search my heart.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Who do I need to forgive?
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: Who who am I holding on to?
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it was myself.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um that I had not forgiven myself for for things.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because you know, I'm a 45-year-old man, I've hurt people, you know, in my life.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's things I've done that I'm not proud of.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_01: And there's mistakes that I've made and cried my eyes out over it.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I forgave myself.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: I had to I forgave myself, right?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the scary thing is, if I hadn't forgiven me, how could God forgive me?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: So when I left, I I didn't I didn't shoot a buck that day, you know, but I left that mountain with something greater than what the mountain could have provided, you know, and it was forgiveness.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: And um I think it's just I love that.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's just one of my my favorite moments as a Christian, you know, is is having that.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of those uh one of those breakthrough kind of moments, you know.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: It changed me.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: It changed me for for good.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's so great.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's like that's one of those moments that like I always say when people ask me, like, this most supernatural, you know, that's a supernatural moment right there.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: It was a super because you know, now I would love to dig into the theory that possibly, I don't know, was Bigfoot there?
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: Was he a gatekeeper?
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Someone out there something trying to scare me so I wouldn't go with it.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: Talk amongst yourselves, please, in the comments.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think that Bo saw Bigfoot?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_02: But like seriously, though, like it's it's that is more supernatural than anything scary, right?
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_02: Anything scary that you could have had.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_02: You could you had the actual creator of the universe listening, inclining to you, you know, in that moment that you needed him.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: Probably because I don't know.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it's for me, it's definitely moments that I get caught off guard like that, where you know, I don't know if you definitely were in there kind of seeking that, but maybe that wasn't your your intention was to hunt, you know.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're in that sort of like atmosphere.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny because we were just talking about this.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm gonna release this episode of Fellowship with a fringe on Friday, but we were talking about being in the woods and how so we just kind of always end up talking about just how supernatural and spiritual the woods are.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um and my friend Jesse was talking about like when he was in witchcraft, like how he would go there and like be, you know, just kind of in this atmosphere, creating an atmosphere to to worship, you know, whatever it was he was worshiping.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I I used to do the same thing.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so for me, I I go on these now, like I go on these um prayer hikes.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't in a long time, which stinks because it was really becoming a good practice for me.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it just reminds me of like you hunting, where you're kind of going in this space in this atmosphere and not even realizing that because you carry the Holy Spirit, he's already he's already there and you're already kind of halfway there to him.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's just such I love stories about like things happening in the woods.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like well, it's just amazing.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's a really good book about it.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's called The Holy Bible.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: How many times?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_02: How many times are people in the woods?
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're on the mountaintops, right?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus goes, the Holy Spirit takes Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil to show us the format of how to stand against the the enemy, you know, by using scripture.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: It is written.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is written.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: How do I never put that together until now?
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was today years old, though.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus went off often by himself into the wilderness or into the mountain to pray, to be alone, to talk to God.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it says it, it tells you um that God meets you in the mountains.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um I love it.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: In the wilderness, yeah, guys.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm an idiot.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like literally, I see like I have like mountain scriptures everywhere, you know, all the girly mountains, like you're the summit where my feet are, like all that sort of hill song.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I'm totally that gal too.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_02: But man, why did I not connect that?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, he went, he went into the wilderness.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I think because for some reason, and I think it's just because of I don't know, maybe the way I'm reading the Bible or the way that like we always kind of talk about this.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it seems so far away.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like antiquity.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like the wilderness that Jesus was in was probably not the wilderness, it's not me going up to the park, and you know, it's like I guess we're so disconnected from that and that that imagery.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's I suppose I don't know, it's just like it never dawned on me that yeah, he like liter he legit went in the woods.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and not just the not just like the physical wilderness.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, yeah.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like God is after the wild at heart.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been seeing that so much.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like in my area, there's a lot of people rough around the edges.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like in our little church, it would look like you could take us and stick us into any bar, and we wouldn't look out of place.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: You probably look like you're from Dundalk.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: We're we look like we're off Duck Dynasty.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look at me.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you know, just awesome beards and tattoos and stories, you know, and that's who I see him reviving.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_02: He is like Oh, I agree.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's there's a song that I I didn't hear it until like last year, and I played it so much that my wife hates it now.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's called Love More Wild.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I can't even tell you who it's from.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like uh Love More Wild is the name of the song, I believe.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: Or Love More Wild Than Me, something like that.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: But ooh, it's like my jam.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that song.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, let's look it up.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: I wanna know who it is.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um It's funny that see, like now this is God is so cool because this is not even anything that we decided to talk about.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: But there's this whole kind of I don't know, in in the conversations I've been having, it's all about this like rewilding, re- Oh, sorry.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: Look, I didn't even mute my own computer.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_02: What an idiot.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um like rewilding just our hearts, kind of re-enchanting our hearts.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm actually reading a book.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, oh my gosh.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's in my pool bag.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like your book in this guy's book, but it's like it's basically like let it's called letting wild things run free.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's a great like he was the the guy.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I have to look it up.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: Josh, Josh Nadow.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he was on Blurry Creatures, and the whole point of like one of our last episodes of Fellowship with the Fringe was we were gonna talk about this episode.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Room for Good Things to Run Wild.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, that was totally not the title.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he just talks about his experiences, like just like life experiences, and just kind of like the whole point of the book is how we are all just kind of everyday saints and how we can kind of get that reconnection to beauty, to the wildness of following Christ.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like I feel like that's a theme, that and kind of um re-enchanting, like getting away from all of this sort of modernity that we're in.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're in such a techno craziness.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like people just need like wild, enchanted Jesus.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you need some dark time, yeah.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_02: And super, but like, but understanding that the supernatural is like is very real and it's not like kind of reclaiming that back from the enemy, is what I'm more interested in now than ever.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm gonna say magic.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say, like, you know, it's okay, you're fine, you can be a kitchen witch, whatever that is, but you're not worshiping anything except the stuff that God created.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: The creation, another creator, exactly.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, but it's still like as long as you understand that like God totally created that for that purpose.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like we're kind of we're we're like, it's not us.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like he's doing this in these podcasts and in this fringe space where he's just he's almost just like cultivating the dirt and just being like, no, you guys go, you kids need to go back out and touch grass.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_02: Get off the internet.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: My kids need to touch grass.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's in the Bible.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: Here come all the Baptists at me.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what was it?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_02: Love more wild.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, love more wild.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can look it up with you.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, would you say speak and I'm not trying to say anything bad about Baptists.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_02: We love you.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, we love Baptists.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um Taylor Holland Armstrong.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's him.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's him.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to listen to this.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a good one.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: You you might think it's hokey, but uh it scratches my itches, you know what I mean?
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's good.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: I want to listen to this bow, but it the second, so it's like I'm laughing because in the first one it says like Taylor Holland Armstrong, love more wild.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, that's lovely.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then I go down and it's like extreme more than words, and I'm like, oh my gosh, from the what it it sounds nothing like more than words.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds nothing like it.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: Which, you know, as far as it's that's gonna be stuck in my head all night.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: You're welcome, everyone.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I think that that's kind of I'm gonna check that song out, but that's like That's just kind of where I think that God is leading at least the space.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like I love this space, and I keep kind of talking about it because I really feel like it's just got this I don't know, not even a quiet purpose anymore.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like I feel like it's growing.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like you see all the bigger kind of podcasts, which is so exciting.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like talking about like Duck Dynasty.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: I love that Blurry Creatures was on Duck Dynasty.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: I love that like Uncle Cy is talking about his Bigfoot experience.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: That is fantastic.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's so funny.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like and speaking of them too, do you ever listen to the Unashamed podcast?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like these guys are good podcast.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like they really know the word of God.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're really good.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're funny too.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, that's a that's a good one.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: But it's just so funny to me because you have like blurry creatures going on this big podcast, and it's like the crossover.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that that's what God's doing.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna say what God's doing, but you guys know what I'm talking about.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can kind of see like God's hand in that.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like He's using them on this really big, broad scale now.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and he kind of took them out of these little trenches that we're sort of stuck in.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm totally, I'm like low man on the toll.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know where I am.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, but what I love is like we're seeing this connection point with our little podcasts like coming together, and like people are like cross-marketing each other, and it's really cool because I think once people start getting so big, you kind of end up losing touch with your audience because they're not gonna get a response if you send them an email.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like it could take months for them to get a response, so that's not like they're in this little kind of pool with you anymore.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that what we're doing, and especially what you're doing, is so important because you are kind of cultivating this little community, you know.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_02: God's definitely using, and I think this book too, like I kind of want to just be like, guys, fellowship at the fringe book club.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_02: Do it, do it, do it, guys, buy it.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because you have Kindle, right?
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's a Kindle, like they don't have yeah.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_02: Kindle edition.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think are you gonna do an audiobook?
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_02: Do an audiobook.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine me talking on a it would be yes, it would be amazing.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_02: It would just be like your podcast.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they could just go to the podcast.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: That that that'd be even easier and way less embarrassing.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: They could just go to the show.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: Ridiculous.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's all on there.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, you gotta sell it.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, don't buy my book, just listen to my podcast.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: Do both things.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_02: You should totally do that.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that'd be great.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, did you have any other like little stories you wanted to share?
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like anything.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess I had a question.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_02: If you've ever and you if you don't have anything like off the top of your head, that's fine.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_02: But like you've I mean your podcast has been around for like what five, six years?
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little bit over five years.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, me and Blurry started within about a month of each other.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think I I came out about a month before they did.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, four years ago, yeah, I don't know if it was Nate or Luke, but they emailed me or messaged me on Instagram.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, hey, we got to do something together.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, man, anytime.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then years go by, and now I'm like, hey, uh, you know, I'm I'm still willing to if you if you guys can come down here and talk to lowly old me.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: So uh No, you should just like you should like write them and be like, here's my book.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_02: And also I'll call in.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: They call in.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to like go there.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: And with like their new set and stuff, you can totally call in.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny, like my my son was like, I don't know, he's totally, I don't know where he gets this from.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like we talk about this stuff all the time in church.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what it like what are your goals?
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we're very goal-oriented in like whatever your ministry is.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: So my son's like, mommy, what is your um what are your goals for your podcast?
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like 10.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, goals.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have any goals.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm 43.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Why would I have any goals?
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so he's like, you know what, one of your goals should be?
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_02: It should be going on blurred creatures.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, meh, I'm good.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_02: They can call me.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm like, I'm just totally not even like interested in doing anything.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the worst, like I'm the most like not Gen X like podcaster.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, eh, whatever, you can call me.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that that is Gen X.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like why why would I sell myself to you, buddy?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Posers.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I great.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's I I think it's so funny.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: I I suck as a guest, I feel like.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um there is that that that cursing myself kind of stuff.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, stop cursing yourself.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: What are you talking about?
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'll uh I wanted to come on your show, you know, because I like you.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: But there's like this would probably be the only other show I do this year.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like Really?
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just feel so awkward and I feel like I'm self-promoting and I don't want to do that.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I went on Tony's show because he texted me and was like, why didn't you tell me you wrote a book?
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you want to sell any of them?
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, That's kind of bold.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, No, I mean it.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Come down and let's do a show together and we'll get your books.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get some book sales going.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: And he wasn't lying, it helped.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's just I know you were just on the confessionals.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: What are you talking about?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like you have to like.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like I don't know.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: It I'm I feel much the same as you do.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like they can holler at me if they want me to come on the show.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I'm like joking.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's like my 10-year-old's dream is for me to like mommy to do he's like, he's like, how many?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's like, well, okay, how many uh YouTube followers, subscribers do you want to have by the end of the year?
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, dude, it's not that's your you get you gen alphas are all about that stuff.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm I'm happy to keep the lights on.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like I don't care, you know, like whatever.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny, but no, you were on the confessionals, guys.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Go listen to that.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: That was a great episode.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was a it was a good time.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I just gotta tell you, Tony is a very genuine person.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like we've we've talked a bunch, but like actually being with him when it was all over and done with, he's like, let me show you some stuff I'm trying to, um, I'm gonna update my studio.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And like we go to a different room and we talk for like another hour while he's hanging pictures on his wall.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like old friends.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like yeah, he's such a genuine, good-hearted guy.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's cool.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, he's like blown up.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like it's crazy to see these like man.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I remember listening to Burr like Blurry Creatures at from like when they were like a hundred episodes, yeah, and just being I mean, but they really helped all of this that I'm doing.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, your show definitely, but like for me to actually feel okay with like questioning Bigfoot, you know, all of the weird stuff that you know now it's funny because I find it's almost like I find myself getting bored.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's because like I'm not hearing anybody else's stories.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I want I just don't have any no one seems to like call in and be like, I have this story for you.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's I don't know what it is.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: I just keep getting like other podcasts on.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: So like I don't know.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe one day I'll just have like blurry creatures and like Tony Merkel on and be like, hey guys, let's talk about really weird stuff.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like do it, just do it, throw it out there and invite them on your show.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'll probably be the it'll be like the most like ridiculous like hey, you want to come, hey bros, come come on squash and sourdough, like it's ridiculous.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like whatever.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_01: They might do it, yeah.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, that'd be ridiculous.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I did so another thing I totally forgot to bring up in the beginning of the show, but you were at the West Virginia Bigfoot Festival.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of Bigfoot, I was.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Can you please tell me everything about that?
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like I'm never gonna get there.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well Can you tell us about it?
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us the story, Bo.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was the fifth annual West Virginia Bigfoot Festival.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they had a lot of uh, I don't know what else to call them, like B-list celebrities.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um the guys from like Mountain Monsters or whatever, people from Expedition Bigfoot, you know, all those that like awesome, you know, like travel channel stars, you know, like they had they had a bunch of them there as guest speakers.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um I had the honor of being uh one of like 200 vendors.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I set up my little canopy and pedaled my wares.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I saw all of your Instagram.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_02: I tr I definitely stopped you.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was a good time.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um it was 110 degrees inside my little tent, um, pretty much 12 hours a day.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh it it was fun though.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was a good time, and you meet some really interesting people, some people that are really passionate about how well they can call Bigfoot in.
• 1:15:16
  unknown: Yes.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they're like, guess what?
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: You should not do that.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: That it was like the highlight of the whole thing.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was day three, it was the last day of it.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: At like 6 30 p.m.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Saturday, this guy comes down, and this is a family-friendly event, but somehow this man had a a travel cup full of beer, and I know it was because the the lid was so sudsy and he was like swaying and talking.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was absolutely offended that he got beat in a big foot calling contest by a kid that had autism.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: He was like, I'm sorry, like I'm sorry.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_02: We just did an entire episode on forgiveness, and that's perfect.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: He got mad.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like he said, I can't believe they had the crowd vote.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: He said, they only voted for him.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because he had autism?
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: How dare you, sir?
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was like going to hell.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is why I came.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like you're like, yes.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're who I came to see, buddy.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like oh man.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I was not disappointed.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um it was a good time.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was a good time, and there's a a lot of really, really good people there.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's awesome.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: David Hardy was there, uh the artist.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll have you know, and it's only in West Virginia that this could happen, he was invited on to be a guest speaker to preach.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_01: The sole purpose of him going was to evangelize, and they they brought him on before some big celebrity.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's a woman from Expedition Bigfoot.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Her name's like Mariah or something like that.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um they gave him like a 30-minute or 45-minute spot right before she came on, so like everybody flooded in there because there was air conditioning and that she was about to come on.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_01: But what they got was a highly energetic David J.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Hardy preaching the gospel and leading people to Christ.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, guys.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: And he brought it.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: He um he said people were crying and uh he led everybody through the prayer, and it was just like where else can you you you're gonna mix Jesus and Bigfoot on purpose?
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like at the West Virginia Bigfoot Festival, that's where that happens.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it was it was a great time.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, in my brain, I just I picture because in my like very visual brain, I picture a just huge you see how Jesus is like doing this entire tent revival with Bigfoot.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pretty much amazing.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty much it's happening.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are praying.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_02: You Baptist churches are praying for a revival, and you're getting it in the weirdest and most amazing ways.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's my favorite.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I have to go.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, seriously, I'm going next year.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Every year I'm like, I want to go.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what's really crazy?
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_02: My father-in-law.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_02: My father-in-law has zero concept of like what I try to explain the concept of the show because it's so when I try to when I think of myself explaining the concept of my show to people, it's unbelievably insane.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like just it's crazy, right?
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_02: So he keeps telling somewhere along Facebook, he he got like because he must have been talking to me about Sasquatch, like it with me on his by his phone.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: So he's getting like like Facebook ads about the West Virginia Sasquatch thing, like the festival.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_02: So he kept telling me, Christina, you've got to go, you've got to go.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, finally, I was like, you know what?
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go when you take get me off of work, do my work for me, pay my way, like, drive me four and a half hours, like all the things in my brain that stop me.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: And look at that.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: He was right.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: God was using my father-in-law to tell me to go to the tent revival.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_00: You should have, you should have come.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_02: Stupid idiot.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_02: I have to listen to your father-in-law.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_01: There was a Bigfoot dressed as Evil Knievel and riding on a hoverboard there.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, where else can you get that?
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's the best.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Some lady brought a tortoise, like a pet tortoise, and strapped a Bigfoot riding a surfboard on top of this turtle and let it walk through the high grass.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, where else can you find that, huh?
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but she planned that.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: That was God bless.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_01: God bless.
• 1:20:09
  unknown: Oh my gosh.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: This is my favorite thing ever.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was a good time.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: And next year, um, they are more than likely moving the event into the fall.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it won't be 110 degrees, it'll be like 70, and the leaves will be pretty.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, like this fall?
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like not like in a couple months.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: 26.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: 2026.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, duh, that's not next year.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, Christina.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Seriously.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um numbers.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what we should do is Bo, we should go next year in the fall and we should uh live stream from it.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to this year, but there was no image.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_02: So you can't.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: But there should be.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_01: There should probably be next year.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Do that.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, West Virginia.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_02: You need more cell towers.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, something about 80% of us is under tree canopy.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, don't change.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_02: I love West Virginia.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_02: We were just there, we were in Harpers Ferry.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I had to get away from everything.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, told my husband, I was like, please take me to the mountains.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_02: I need to go to West Virginia.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_02: We went to Harper's Ferry.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_02: And which is I'm always like, uh duh, it's like an hour and 20 minutes away.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_02: Why aren't you going to why don't you go there more often?
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was so crazy, Bo.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: When I was there, like Rob was like, stop telling people how good it smells here.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because I was like, what is that smell?
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_02: It smells amazing.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like I couldn't get over it.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_02: People like he was like, you sound like an insane stoner hippie because you're just like, it smells, man.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_02: But seriously, it smelled so good.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it was like mountain laurel.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was something I'd never smelled before.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was like beautiful and fragrant.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, this is God's country.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Why don't I live here?
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: This is amazing.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Very lucky to live in West Virginia.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_01: We are the best kept secret in the country.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Don't no no one move there.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's gonna move there.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Just stay away.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Come visit.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Come to the come to the festivals and then do home.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_02: You city dwellers, yeah.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna ruin it.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, come here for your money for the money and then leave.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_02: There's Mothman and cryptids and terribleness there.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's what they did in Frederick.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_02: They like made up a whole creature, the Snalligaster.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_02: I told you about that.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that they would keep people out.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_02: But it was also like just really like made up.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like come on.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's a weird one.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Bo, thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yay.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_02: You're the best, Bo.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody go listen to the bump podcast right now.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Please do.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Please do that.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me on.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great time.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great conversation.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's fun catching up with you.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Come back on the show anytime you want to.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um oh, anytime.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'll come on.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what we would talk about.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_01: But well, we'll figure it out.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Something.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Not Lilith.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Not Lilith.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_02: Not witchcraft.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I'm tired of talking yeah, I'm tired of talking about that too.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_02: I get tired of talking about my testimony on shows.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, can we just like talk about something else?
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: You come up with a topic and then we'll schedule it.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Someone in the comments come up with a topic.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm giving the audience a job.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Besides from listening, you have to comment.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, this is awesome.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_02: Bo, tell everybody where they can find you.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, on all podcast platforms, it's the bump podcast.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on YouTube, uh, kind of on TikTok, on Instagram, or you can go to the bumppodcast.com and there's links to all that.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you can pick up my book on Amazon.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's Army of God, Pocket Guide to Spiritual Warfare, or you can just type in Bo Kennedy and it should pull me up.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, go buy that and use it for your book club andor small group.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, give it to a friend.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Send it to your pastor.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, it's cheap, so buy a bunch of them and give them away.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a great idea too.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: See, you guys can do that.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so much, Bo.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_02: And guys, thank you for listening.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, until next time, the truth is out there.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_02: God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_02: You have been listening to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Christina, and thank you so much for tuning in.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sasquatch and Sourdough is so much more than just a podcast.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_02: We are a community of kindred spirits, united by our curiosity and fascination with the extraordinary.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_02: And we want to bring you into the conversation.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_02: So whether you've had a brush with the unexplainable, seen something that you can't quite wrap your head around, this is your space.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_02: We invite you to join us as we break bread and break down the barriers between the known and the unknown.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to share your story, you can email us at sasquatch and sourdough at gmail.com or send us a DM on Instagram.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time, remember the truth is out there.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_02: God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.