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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 224 | Draft Recap, What Jaguars' Picks Mean for 2026 · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zam.
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Speaker 2: Kind of Honey Stevens here, Brian Sexton, John Oser with
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Speaker 2: me today after an eventful weekend. It was draft weekend
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Speaker 2: here in duvall and it was a little bit different
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Speaker 2: than it normally goes because there was no first round picked,
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Speaker 2: but still eventful. Nonetheless, let's get into our big things today,
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Speaker 2: and our first big thing is hurry up and wait.
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Speaker 2: As mentioned, there was no first round pick, but it's
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Speaker 2: a familiar spot for GM James Gladstone, who previously worked
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Speaker 2: in LA. They're used to not having first round picks
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Speaker 2: but still finding some talent later in the draft.
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Speaker 3: I certainly think you can find quality players at a
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Speaker 3: ton of different intervals, and we certainly had success towards
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Speaker 3: the latter half in latter portion of drafts and also
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Speaker 3: undrafted college free agency in Los Angeles, specifically at the
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Speaker 3: linebacker position. But nonetheless, I think that instincts are certainly
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Speaker 3: going to be something that reigns supreme in that space.
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Speaker 3: Knowing that a lot happens fast and in the specific
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Speaker 3: inserts of Parker that stands out in a real.
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Speaker 2: Way, Brian, we thought maybe they'd go linebacker earlier, there
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Speaker 2: was a lot of predictions. They definitely didn't do anything
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Speaker 2: of what we thought they were going to do.
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Speaker 1: But James Gladstone.
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Speaker 2: Still thinks he can get some serious contributors from this chunk.
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Speaker 4: Of players well, and he referenced to the rams and
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Speaker 4: I think we did in our instant analysis several times.
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Speaker 5: Over the course of the weekend.
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Speaker 4: Listen the Lutney the laundry list of players around the
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Speaker 4: league who were either second or third day draft picks
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Speaker 4: or undrafted rookie free agents who've made it and had
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Speaker 4: significant careers is significant. They needed a tight end, they
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Speaker 4: took two. You know, they needed a safety, they found one.
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Speaker 4: They needed edge players, they found a couple. They knew
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Speaker 4: what their list was. They were very specific in what
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Speaker 4: they were looking for, and we've talked a lot about
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Speaker 4: it and we will continue to talk a lot about it.
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Speaker 4: They feel really good about finding eyes that fit their system.
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Speaker 4: Did they find all pros? Those are hard enough to
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Speaker 4: find anywhere in the draft, But did they find good
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Speaker 4: football players?
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Speaker 5: They think so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: If you want some insight into this, James Gladstone's on
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Speaker 6: the ozone pod this week. He actually talked about their
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Speaker 6: early draft strategy, and it really was they had efforts
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Speaker 6: to move up. They had areas that they made calls
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Speaker 6: to move up into, but they had very specific parameters
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Speaker 6: that they were going to follow to be in that
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Speaker 6: And that's why he used the word strategically bold. Sometimes
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Speaker 6: when a GM doesn't make a pick, people think, oh,
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Speaker 6: well he wasn't aggressive. Well, you know, you can be aggressive,
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Speaker 6: but you don't want to be stupid. So the idea
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Speaker 6: was to see if it was possible to move up,
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Speaker 6: and then if they didn't, then the idea was to
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Speaker 6: have multiple picks late in the round to give themselves
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Speaker 6: percentage chances of succeeding, where your percentage are a little
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Speaker 6: better up top. But that's the strategy they used at
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Speaker 6: the RAMS and that they used this weekend.
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Speaker 2: It's got to our next big thing, which as you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: is strategically gold. James Gladstone talked about when they make
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Speaker 2: those decisions, they're not just going with maybe who is
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Speaker 2: always the highest ranking, but who's going to fit in here.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're not going to invite anybody into this
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Speaker 3: building who isn't a strong match for it. And you know,
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Speaker 3: the idea that those that we have are in fact
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Speaker 3: built to thrive and be the best versions of themselves
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Speaker 3: because of the the environment, and that alignment was what
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Speaker 3: they're actually built up and made of. I think is
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Speaker 3: really queer in this crop.
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Speaker 2: John, When we look it back at the draft, the
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Speaker 2: Jaguars picking a tight end early. Maybe none of us
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Speaker 2: really predicted that happening, but it did kick off a
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Speaker 2: huge run of tight ends, and when you're looking at
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Speaker 2: where they're picking and where their picks are available to them,
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Speaker 2: it does make sense when you look back at it
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Speaker 2: like that, Well.
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Speaker 6: They really liked Nate Bower Kirscher. I think I'm saying
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Speaker 6: his name right, workure. So there's a little bit in
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Speaker 6: the draft here of sometimes people and it from the
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Speaker 6: big picture, whereas teams have to look at specifics. They
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Speaker 6: liked him at fifty six. Could they have gotten him
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Speaker 6: at seventy maybe? Were they going to get him at
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Speaker 6: eighty eight? Probably not? So you got to take your
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Speaker 6: guy when you take your guy, And Brian Kay's exactly right.
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Speaker 6: You could tell by the way of the draft. I
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Speaker 6: don't think people before the draft, when they were preanalyzing it,
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Speaker 6: realized that there was going to be this tight end demand.
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Speaker 6: If you wanted your guy, you were going to have
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Speaker 6: to take it because they went off the board fast
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Speaker 6: after the Jaguars picked at fifty seven.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there weren't many of them.
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Speaker 4: There were two that went in front of where the
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Speaker 4: Draguars picked at fifty six. But then there was a
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Speaker 4: group of guys that all sort of had the same qualities.
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Speaker 4: Now you get to choose the one that fits you best,
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Speaker 4: whether we're talking about the fit in the locker room,
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Speaker 4: whether it's you put value on really long arms and
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Speaker 4: really big hands, right, whatever it is that you value. John,
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Speaker 4: You and I've covered this because you covered the Patriots.
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Speaker 4: All those years that the Patriots were winning. They were
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Speaker 4: taking guys that other teams didn't necessarily value as high
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Speaker 4: as they did. Why Well, because Belichick had the Patriot
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Speaker 4: weigh and the things that they valued were very specific
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Speaker 4: to their roster. With Tom Brady on it, what he
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Speaker 4: could overcome their salary cap with heavy with stars. Same
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Speaker 4: thing with the Steelers back in the nineties. They were
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Speaker 4: able to draft from a completely different paradigm because they
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Speaker 4: were one of the few three four teams back then.
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Speaker 5: So they would take a six foot three, two hundred.
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Speaker 4: And ninety five pound defensive tackle because they played it
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Speaker 4: differently Each team has what they think is important for them,
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Speaker 4: which adjusts where you rank a player and how it
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Speaker 4: fits what you want.
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Speaker 6: And Kay has all this talk about how you know
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Speaker 6: Nate the second round pick with a fifth round forget
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Speaker 6: that there were teams that were going to take him
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Speaker 6: in the second round.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars had so.
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Speaker 6: A lot of what you read and feel in the
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Speaker 6: in the.
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Speaker 1: Interweb, Kai either grands salt.
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Speaker 2: The interwebs can't always be trust. Our final big thing
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Speaker 2: today is going to be roster spots with ten new
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Speaker 2: editions via the draft and then over a dozen editions
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Speaker 2: via undrafted free agents. Brian, this roster might look a
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Speaker 2: lot different in the upcoming season, because it's important to
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Speaker 2: mention this is only the second season for this current administration.
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Speaker 2: They're still trying to get their guys in there.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I said this to a couple of different people over
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Speaker 5: the weekend.
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Speaker 4: It was so impressive what they did last year, going
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Speaker 4: from four to thirteen to thirteen and four with largely
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Speaker 4: the previous year's roster. They added a few guys here
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Speaker 4: and there. Now they have a chance to bring their
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Speaker 4: own guys in. John, Guys, you look at the roster
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Speaker 4: turnover on average, it's about thirty percent year to year.
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Speaker 4: So you're going to lean towards the guys that you
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Speaker 4: drafted to fit your specific needs. And I would imagine
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Speaker 4: that twelve fourteen of these guys are going.
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Speaker 5: To be on the roster.
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Speaker 1: I'd say a number is probably accurate.
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Speaker 6: And you also got to remember, now the whole idea
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Speaker 6: of the fifty three in the NFL is a little
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Speaker 6: bit andicated you're sixteen guys on the practice squad. Figure in,
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Speaker 6: you're really caring about sixty nine and four or five
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Speaker 6: of those guys in the practice squad are coming up
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Speaker 6: and into your roster.
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Speaker 1: So I got emails for the draft guy, Oh.
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Speaker 6: Can bet eleven picks? Can eleven guys make this team? Absolutely?
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Speaker 6: And I with Brian, I would expect ten eleven, twelve
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Speaker 6: guys out of this draft class. And as you said,
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Speaker 6: couple it with last year. Now you're at twenty seven
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Speaker 6: to twenty eight guys that this regime has brought in
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Speaker 6: as young rookies. A life comes at you fast, and
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Speaker 6: rosters changed fast in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely more changes to come. Stay with stern Jack Zama.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about every single player they picked
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Speaker 2: in this draft over.
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Speaker 8: The weekend.
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Speaker 2: At the Big Guys, Emmanuel Craig on there with his
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Speaker 2: family celebrating. I love those videos. We're going to release
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Speaker 2: some of the phone calls, I think today, and it's
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Speaker 2: just so cool to obviously have kind of be sharing
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Speaker 2: that moment with them, their dreams being realized.
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Speaker 5: You see the size of that guy's arms. I mean,
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Speaker 5: we heard he's big, but my goodness, we'll.
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Speaker 2: See he's gonna be a He told me his strategy
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Speaker 2: for protecting a quarterback is giving them as much time
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Speaker 2: as they need and if they want to sit on
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Speaker 2: Trevor wants to sit on the toilet back there, he said,
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Speaker 2: he'll have time to do that.
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Speaker 5: That's good.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at we have a full screen.
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Speaker 2: I think of all the picks there ten overall, they
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Speaker 2: had eleven picks going into the day. Fairly decent split.
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Speaker 2: Five offense, five defense, A couple of tight ends obviously,
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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. Some big guys defensive tackle, offensive line,
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Speaker 2: and then a little bit later on some edge rushers,
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Speaker 2: wide receivers. It's a mix of everything. A lot of
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Speaker 2: guys that contribute on special teams. A lot of these
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Speaker 2: as captains of their teams five six years in college.
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Speaker 2: Some of these guys experience coming and ready to play.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the tight ends because
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Speaker 2: obviously a Berkshire going early in that run of tight
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Speaker 2: ends that we talked about, and then everyone's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: we took a blocking tight end so early, but then
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Speaker 2: you know they add another tight end a little bit later.
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Speaker 2: So we've heard a little bit from them, but it
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Speaker 2: sounds like they want to kind of run with two
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Speaker 2: tight ends, and that's where this is coming in well.
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Speaker 4: And we talked about the rams all weekend long and
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Speaker 4: the connection between Lee and Coleen and Sean McVeigh. I
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Speaker 4: also remember an la connection when Mercedes Lewis was this
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Speaker 4: team's draft choice in two thousand and six. He caught
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Speaker 4: ninety six passes his senior year at UCLA, but he
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Speaker 4: came in and became a blocking tight end early in
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Speaker 4: his career. That's because the Jaguars loved the size and
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Speaker 4: the length that he had. You see, this guy can
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Speaker 4: do a lot of different things. When you watch the tape,
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Speaker 4: how they intend to use him is how they intend
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Speaker 4: to use him. You can't necessarily and they don't just
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Speaker 4: look at what he did and say, well, that's all
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Speaker 4: he and be clearly he's a guy who moves, he's
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Speaker 4: got length. There's a shot of a ball in the
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Speaker 4: end zone that he catches where he's having to avoid
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Speaker 4: a defender. I wouldn't make the mistake of saying he
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Speaker 4: was a nineteen catch guy and so he's only going
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Speaker 4: to be a blocking tight end because we've seen it
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Speaker 4: flip in this league.
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Speaker 6: John, Yeah, they don't believe that's what he is. And
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Speaker 6: remember everybody like raised their eyebrows at Brent and Strange
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Speaker 6: and he's one.
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Speaker 1: Of the best two three players in the team. The
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Speaker 1: tight end is interesting.
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Speaker 6: If you want a really good synopsis of it, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 6: in a story that I'm writing I think for Today,
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Speaker 6: has a really good quote explaining exactly what teams are doing.
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Speaker 1: Essentially as teams, as defenses.
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Speaker 6: Play more nickel and play more multi defensive back defenses,
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Speaker 6: teams are wanting to go to more tight ends because
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Speaker 6: you can either run on it or the tight ends
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Speaker 6: give them fits because it's designed to stop receiver routes.
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Speaker 1: That's the simple version of it. But that's the way
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Speaker 1: teams are going.
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Speaker 6: And in order to take advantage of that, they had
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Speaker 6: to pivot a little bit hard to go get to
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Speaker 6: free agent tight ends to fill that because everybody's keeping
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Speaker 6: their tight ends. So the way to do it was
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Speaker 6: the draft. It's an interesting move, but you saw the
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Speaker 6: league trending toward that.
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Speaker 1: As soon as the Jaguars drafted.
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Speaker 6: There was an az I think it was nine on
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Speaker 6: the first two days, and then there were four or
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Speaker 6: five more in round four.
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Speaker 1: This was a thirst for tight ends.
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Speaker 4: And we saw what the Rams did to the rest
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Speaker 4: of the league. I mean, they were one of the
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Speaker 4: best teams in football all year. Matthew Stafford was the
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Speaker 4: MVP with forty six touchdowns. Seventeen touchdowns went to his
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Speaker 4: tight ends, and Kay they had eleven catches for more
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Speaker 4: than one hundred yards and a touchdown against the Jaguars
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Speaker 4: in London, and you could just see the Jaguars couldn't
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Speaker 4: match up with a bunch of these six foot five,
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Speaker 4: six foot six tight ends, none of whom went to
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Speaker 4: the Pro Bowl, but all of them were contributors to
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Speaker 4: one of the most explosive offenses in the game and having.
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Speaker 2: That ability to kind of have breakout games. We didn't
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Speaker 2: touch on it fully, but ten Ozil has those touchdowns
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Speaker 2: if you're worried about saying Borkishire doesn't have the touchdowns
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Speaker 2: Cozial does. So having both of those skills plus what
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Speaker 2: brent Strange brings to the field, it feels like it's
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Speaker 2: giving them a lot more options on offense. And I'm
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Speaker 2: sure Liam Cohen loves extra options on it.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's that's the whole key last year, and I
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Speaker 6: think Liam said it maybe to you or on the
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Speaker 6: podium when Brenton got injured last year they had three losses.
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Speaker 6: I think two of them or three of them were
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Speaker 6: when he was out. It was a significant drop in
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Speaker 6: the offense. And they knew that if they want to
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Speaker 6: be able to lean into this scheme a little bit,
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Speaker 6: you can't just have Brenton Strange.
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Speaker 1: It's not like they're going to come out and only
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Speaker 1: be in that formation.
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Speaker 6: But last year they couldn't run those things effectively that
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Speaker 6: they saw other teams were able to take advantages of
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Speaker 6: defenses with. And look, if you like Liam, which all
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Speaker 6: Jaguars fans should, you got to know that if there's
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Speaker 6: something going on with defenses that can be taken advantage of,
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Speaker 6: he's going to want to get to that.
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Speaker 1: So I think this is what that was about.
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Speaker 4: Loss to Seattle, Los Angeles and Houston without Breton, and
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Speaker 4: that Houston game in particular in the fourth quarter where
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Speaker 4: they couldn't get a first down, you have to think
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Speaker 4: that one of the quarterback's favorite targets would have helped them.
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Speaker 5: Move the chains.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's talk about a little bit about some of
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Speaker 2: the big guys. Albert Regis out of Texas, A and
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Speaker 2: M defensive tackle, and then Emmanuel Pregnant who we saw
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Speaker 2: celebrating offensive lineman out of Oregon, and we just we talked,
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Speaker 2: right We were like, hey, we need defensive tackle obviously
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Speaker 2: more presence inside, and I think what they like about
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Speaker 2: him is some versatility to then move some other pieces
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Speaker 2: around well.
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Speaker 4: And this is also a strategic pick for the future
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Speaker 4: of the franchise because Devon Hamilton is in the final
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Speaker 4: year of his contract, so you're always looking to find
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Speaker 4: guys for depth and quality, but also for the future.
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Speaker 4: And he's a second pardon me, a third round pick,
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Speaker 4: and you expect a guy who's a third round pick
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Speaker 4: to be capable coming in and being a starter. There
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Speaker 4: were a couple of selections that they made over the
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Speaker 4: weekend where you could see strategically how they were setting
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Speaker 4: themselves up to be able to fill gaps when they
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Speaker 4: lose players to either retirement or free agency.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, my guess I think Devon will be here for
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Speaker 6: a little longer than that. But I think the key
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Speaker 6: here with regis this was a draft that it was
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Speaker 6: very difficult to find pass.
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Speaker 1: Rush at the defensive tackle position.
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Speaker 6: His stats don't say he's a pass rusher, but when
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Speaker 6: you listen to people talk about him, he's got quickness,
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Speaker 6: he's got penetration ability. I don't know that he's going
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Speaker 6: to be an Aaron Donald, a twelve sack pass rusher.
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Speaker 6: Those guys are very, very rare, but I think they
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Speaker 6: had to look in this draft for sort of hidden
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Speaker 6: guys who could get some penetration that maybe everybody else
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Speaker 6: didn't think could get penetration. So I think they think
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Speaker 6: there's some ability there with this guy.
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Speaker 5: To do that.
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Speaker 2: And I feel like at least the last couple of years,
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Speaker 2: a lot of some of the issues with the pass rushes,
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Speaker 2: no penetration in the middle, is making it more difficult
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Speaker 2: for them to keep the edge, and that'll only help
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Speaker 2: everybody else out right. It's a team sport at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, and we talk about when you
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Speaker 2: can get a little push from from inside, that's only
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Speaker 2: gonna help Josh Heinzellen and Traymon Walker on the outside.
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Speaker 4: If the quarterback can't step up, he has to choose
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Speaker 4: forty one or forty four?
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Speaker 5: Which one can I be.
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Speaker 2: Emmanuel Pregnant coming out of Oregon. Can never have enough lineman.
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Speaker 2: I knew Tony wasn't gonna let us get out of
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Speaker 2: the weekend without adding to the offensive line. But another
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Speaker 2: big body, and it's when it comes to lineman. Obviously
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Speaker 2: you have to get him in here and see where
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Speaker 2: they are. But just energy wise, feels like he's on
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Speaker 2: the right page.
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Speaker 1: Well it.
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Speaker 6: Linemen ideally, unless they're first rounders, you don't want them
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Speaker 6: playing early. You led to have them have time to develop.
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Speaker 6: Right now, they have Milon and Pregnant, who they have
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Speaker 6: brought in who you could easily see being the starting
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Speaker 6: guards for this team from twenty seven to forward, and
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Speaker 6: Bank Milon might be this year. So if there was
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Speaker 6: a guy who is sort of the consensus, why did
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Speaker 6: he go solo guy.
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Speaker 1: In this Jaguars draft. It's Pregnant.
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Speaker 6: A lot of people like him and he certainly has
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Speaker 6: the traits to make you think that he could. It's
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Speaker 6: hard to change an entire offensive line on the fly.
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Speaker 6: They started to do it last year. You can see
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Speaker 6: the direction that they want to go with this pigwack.
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Speaker 4: And he's a left guard, right you talk to people,
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Speaker 4: you told that he is primarily a left side player.
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Speaker 4: And go back to the contracts and the roster. You've
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Speaker 4: got Ezra Klin, Ezra Cleveland who's going into the final
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Speaker 4: year of his deal. So you need a young body
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Speaker 4: that can compete this year and eventually take over. And
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Speaker 4: when you look at it, you've got Anton Harrison, you
16:45
Speaker 4: got Wyatt Milam. Joan Manheim is a guy that they
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Speaker 4: have some affection for that they think can become a player.
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Speaker 4: And now you plug in Emmanuel Pregnant. You feel pretty good,
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Speaker 4: especially with Cole coming back from his injury, of having
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Speaker 4: your offensive line of the future in place.
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Speaker 5: Perhaps this year.
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Speaker 2: The offensive line is just such an injury plagued position too.
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Speaker 2: You can really never have enough, because I mean, I
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Speaker 2: can't remember a season where any team I've covered made
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Speaker 2: it through with the exact same five starting five the
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Speaker 2: entire year without any injury. So it's definitely a position
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Speaker 2: where you want to have that flexibility.
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Speaker 6: And you have eight who have started coming back on
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Speaker 6: the line that doesn't include myelin or pregnant. So if
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Speaker 6: you're wondering how you keep a group replenished, how you
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Speaker 6: bring along depth behind an already functioning group, they've clearly
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Speaker 6: got their system in place at linebacker.
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Speaker 1: We see how they're going to try.
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Speaker 5: To approach this.
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Speaker 4: It's been a really good coaching staff too. They got
17:38
Speaker 4: the most out of players last year. I mean Trevor Lawrence,
17:41
Speaker 4: Anton Harrison, Devin Lloyd, Antonio Johnson. I mean you go
17:47
Speaker 4: down the list, Breton Strange, Parker Washington, they get the
17:49
Speaker 4: most out of these guys. They got more out of
17:51
Speaker 4: them than the previous staff did. And so from that perspective,
17:54
Speaker 4: you've got these young guys and you feel good about
17:56
Speaker 4: their ability to develop.
17:57
Speaker 5: Them the right way.
17:59
Speaker 2: Do so to go a little bit later in the draft,
18:01
Speaker 2: two wide receivers and a couple edge players and a safety,
18:05
Speaker 2: Jalen Husky, the safety out of Maryland. I know coach
18:08
Speaker 2: Campanelle talking to me about it. First thing he said,
18:11
Speaker 2: He's like, he's a hitter. That's all you want to
18:13
Speaker 2: hear from defensive coach, he couldn't be more excited about it.
18:16
Speaker 2: But adding some depth to a position we feel like
18:18
Speaker 2: is pretty well staffed at this point but was really
18:20
Speaker 2: plagued by injury last year.
18:21
Speaker 6: With a safety position, he's depth. But the way they
18:26
Speaker 6: play safety around here, they like to play three, right,
18:29
Speaker 6: And you have Antonio Johnson, you have Eric Murray, and
18:32
Speaker 6: you have Caleb Ransall coming back.
18:34
Speaker 1: But that's three.
18:35
Speaker 6: And now if you get an injury, Raylan Lane and
18:41
Speaker 6: Husky are both guys who can play. So I think
18:44
Speaker 6: this it's some I apologize for that. This is a
18:50
Speaker 6: guy who at some point will be on the field
18:52
Speaker 6: this year.
18:53
Speaker 4: Well, if you're going to play against more call if
18:56
Speaker 4: you're going to see three tight ends, you're.
18:57
Speaker 5: Gonna need more safeties.
18:58
Speaker 2: Right.
18:58
Speaker 4: If that's the trend in the league on offense they
19:01
Speaker 4: have more tight ends, you're going to want bigger safeties
19:03
Speaker 4: who can match up better with tight ends than perhaps.
19:07
Speaker 2: Linebackers, and this might be your guy. He not only
19:10
Speaker 2: is bigger, hits interceptions, is a bit of a ballhawk
19:13
Speaker 2: as well. He's had a good amount of interceptions during
19:15
Speaker 2: his college career, and we all know they like to
19:18
Speaker 2: take the ball away and.
19:19
Speaker 5: Antonio Johnson's going into the final year PiZZ deal.
19:21
Speaker 1: Yes, then said he's ready to get.
19:23
Speaker 2: He said he want talk about it more.
19:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
19:25
Speaker 2: Who are some of the other guys that you're kind
19:27
Speaker 2: of looking at later? I mean, obviously we don't know
19:29
Speaker 2: a ton of them until they get in here, and
19:30
Speaker 2: then there's some of the lesser known guys, But any
19:32
Speaker 2: names stand out? Well.
19:33
Speaker 5: I listened Wesley Williams.
19:34
Speaker 4: I watched your interview with him and was just captivated
19:37
Speaker 4: by his intensity, the way that he is a gifted communicator. Right,
19:44
Speaker 4: He's a duke with a degree in public policy and
19:47
Speaker 4: headed to law school afterwards. But he is a guy
19:49
Speaker 4: who john they can do a lot of interesting things
19:52
Speaker 4: with him. They can put him outside and we've trade
19:53
Speaker 4: on inside.
19:54
Speaker 5: He's built.
19:55
Speaker 4: I mean, I saw a video of him squatting in
19:57
Speaker 4: the duke locker room with his teammates around him. He's
19:59
Speaker 4: strong enough that you can put him inside with Trayvon
20:02
Speaker 4: perhaps and have two of those undersized, quick, strong pass
20:06
Speaker 4: rushers and be able to do something else on the outside.
20:09
Speaker 4: I mean, I just I think he's a chess piece,
20:11
Speaker 4: and I'm excited about seeing what he brings.
20:14
Speaker 5: To the table.
20:14
Speaker 6: Well, James Glastone likes talking about at bats late in
20:17
Speaker 6: the draft, and it feels like between Strigau Green Wessey Williams,
20:23
Speaker 6: you've got some at bats now outside defensive end where okay,
20:28
Speaker 6: let's see who's ready. Let's see who can give us something.
20:31
Speaker 6: The wide receivers are interesting CJ. Williams and Josh Cameron.
20:36
Speaker 6: One of Phukan Nakua's superpowers is strength, you know, very
20:43
Speaker 6: hard to bring down.
20:45
Speaker 1: Josh Cameron. Squats was a five twenty eight.
20:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can do that, John, right, Well, if I
20:51
Speaker 6: do it five hundred and twenty eight times, yes to it.
20:55
Speaker 6: So but I do think that that is something that
20:59
Speaker 6: you know was in LA and certainly was there when
21:03
Speaker 6: he saw Puka developing. So I think that sort of
21:06
Speaker 6: correlation you're looking for traits in the sixth and seventh round.
21:11
Speaker 1: To me, that was probably a trait they saw with
21:13
Speaker 1: this guy.
21:13
Speaker 6: And so well, let's see if that can translate a
21:15
Speaker 6: little bit to how the leagues being or the game
21:16
Speaker 6: is being played.
21:17
Speaker 1: Right now.
21:18
Speaker 4: I think the roster was pretty good. We all would
21:20
Speaker 4: agree with that. That was why they didn't have to
21:21
Speaker 4: go for need. I'm sorry, A glaring right, you start
21:26
Speaker 4: looking at these guys and what they bring to the
21:28
Speaker 4: table and you realize that they have restocked the cupboard
21:31
Speaker 4: with guys now developmental. Sure, But we just talked about
21:34
Speaker 4: how the coaching staff does a good job with that,
21:36
Speaker 4: how they have filled some gaps and given themselves a
21:39
Speaker 4: level of depth and competition that makes everyone around them better,
21:42
Speaker 4: makes the roster, makes training camp, makes the preseason more competitive,
21:46
Speaker 4: and that's always good for a football team.
21:48
Speaker 2: All Right. We talked about the draft picks, and we
21:50
Speaker 2: talked about being strategically bold coming up, were in and go
21:52
Speaker 2: over some of these other draft terms that came up
21:54
Speaker 2: over the weekend.
22:05
Speaker 9: The players make up his personal character's football character and
22:10
Speaker 9: continuing to try to bring in those type of players
22:12
Speaker 9: and to add to the culture in the locker room
22:15
Speaker 9: and getting guys that are super competitive, that love football,
22:18
Speaker 9: they love to compete, and the process.
22:20
Speaker 7: That goes along with it. So it's always at the
22:22
Speaker 7: forefront of every pick that we make, and you know,
22:26
Speaker 7: you're trying to challenge the locker room, challenge it with
22:29
Speaker 7: both both on the field and off the field.
22:32
Speaker 2: It was my post draft interview with Liam Cohen, and
22:35
Speaker 2: he's filling me in on Douval Dna. That was a
22:37
Speaker 2: term we heard throughout the entire weekend. What does that mean.
22:39
Speaker 2: Obviously they're trying to get culture fits in here right now,
22:42
Speaker 2: but it's only the second year, the second draft that
22:44
Speaker 2: they've had, so they're not going to bring in anybody
22:46
Speaker 2: that's not going to help this team get to the
22:48
Speaker 2: point where they want to be in terms of stettying
22:50
Speaker 2: that culture, being tough, being physical, and I felt like
22:53
Speaker 2: that was a focus for all of these players that
22:55
Speaker 2: you brought in. I don't think anybody is not willing
22:58
Speaker 2: to make a blog or participate on special teams. These
23:01
Speaker 2: are all guys that will do whatever they need to
23:03
Speaker 2: do to be on.
23:03
Speaker 5: The football field.
23:04
Speaker 4: Listen, this is just a feeling. I can't back it
23:07
Speaker 4: up with anything. Just my you know, visceral observation. These
23:10
Speaker 4: guys are all on the same page. Tony, Liam and
23:13
Speaker 4: James know exactly what they want. I didn't feel that
23:17
Speaker 4: with the administration before. I don't think I felt that
23:21
Speaker 4: since there was one voice in this building and Tom
23:23
Speaker 4: Kaughlin back in the day. Listen, there can be disagreements
23:27
Speaker 4: on players and positions and things like that, but they
23:31
Speaker 4: know exactly what they want.
23:33
Speaker 5: They communicate on such.
23:35
Speaker 4: A shared level right that they know the kind of
23:40
Speaker 4: player that they that they hope to bring in here.
23:43
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why I trust them so much, because they're
23:46
Speaker 4: so consistent in their approach and the way that they
23:48
Speaker 4: go about gathering the information and trying to create this
23:52
Speaker 4: environment where everybody feels like they can speak their mind.
23:55
Speaker 4: What was the word that we heard, authentic? They wanted
23:58
Speaker 4: authentic information. But man, when he's there talking, I feel
24:03
Speaker 4: like I'm listening to Gladstone or Biselli and they are
24:07
Speaker 4: defined as to the type of player, kind of like
24:10
Speaker 4: we talked about earlier, the Brady led Patriots, where the
24:14
Speaker 4: Belichick l at Patriots work and the Steelers have always
24:16
Speaker 4: been It's.
24:17
Speaker 5: Good to have that sort of definition.
24:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, And James talked a lot about this on the
24:21
Speaker 1: pod too, how.
24:25
Speaker 6: It's easy and every team I've been around has always
24:29
Speaker 6: said we're tough and always wanted to be physical. It's
24:34
Speaker 6: one thing to say that and think that that's what
24:37
Speaker 6: you are. It's another thing to sort of bring it
24:40
Speaker 6: into the process the way they do. You really get
24:44
Speaker 6: the feeling that no player gets in here without them
24:49
Speaker 6: passing that test.
24:50
Speaker 1: And James says, there's certain measurements they have for it.
24:53
Speaker 6: I kind of visualize it every time conversation is Tony
24:56
Speaker 6: Goner They tough. Yeah, but regardless, that's the spirit of it,
25:00
Speaker 6: and I'm saying that is a very positive thing. Hey,
25:03
Speaker 6: let's not forget when we like this guy's speed that
25:07
Speaker 6: we need him to be playing physical football for us
25:10
Speaker 6: on Sunday. So I think the fact that that is
25:12
Speaker 6: so much in the forefront of their mind, as Brian said,
25:17
Speaker 6: it has been impressive around here in what thirteen or
25:21
Speaker 6: fourteen months of how it's now easy to see what
25:26
Speaker 6: they're about on the field when they talk it. And
25:28
Speaker 6: at the end of last season, teams started realizing. I'm
25:32
Speaker 6: not sure fans realized how tough this team was, but
25:35
Speaker 6: teams playing against them they won games at the end
25:39
Speaker 6: of last year, not just because Trevor was running for
25:41
Speaker 6: touchdowns with the long hair. They were out physically and
25:45
Speaker 6: teams were backing down from them a little bit.
25:47
Speaker 4: It's easy to get on board when there's no gray
25:50
Speaker 4: right when it's black or white. When you know exactly
25:53
Speaker 4: what the expectation is, it is easy to get on board.
25:57
Speaker 4: And when they bring players in who all know that
26:00
Speaker 4: you could just feel it in this building. It's very
26:02
Speaker 4: hard to translate through a television camera, but you understand
26:05
Speaker 4: what they're doing and why they're.
26:06
Speaker 2: Doing it and making that commitment to a john when
26:08
Speaker 2: you talk about it's not always easy to remain on that.
26:11
Speaker 2: You want to be tough, but okay, well we need
26:13
Speaker 2: to make some picks.
26:14
Speaker 1: That maybe I love this guy who runs a four
26:15
Speaker 1: to three. Maybe not a sexy pick, but yeah, remember.
26:18
Speaker 6: He doesn't block, and that's what the draft conversations are about. Hey, yes,
26:22
Speaker 6: he does these things well, but then you back up
26:25
Speaker 6: and say, h yeah, but we're going to be running
26:27
Speaker 6: the ball forty percent of the plays and if this
26:29
Speaker 6: receiver doesn't block, that stuff doesn't work. And teams can
26:33
Speaker 6: really talk themselves into guys who aren't what they are,
26:38
Speaker 6: who aren't what they want. But I think this team
26:42
Speaker 6: does a great job of making sure, hey, you know,
26:45
Speaker 6: remember what we're about before we let this guy come
26:47
Speaker 6: in here.
26:48
Speaker 2: So that's our analysis of at least do vall DNA
26:50
Speaker 2: for now. But we also want to touch on the
26:52
Speaker 2: consensus board because that's been a big topic on social
26:55
Speaker 2: media over the weekend. James Glatzone was on the Zone
26:58
Speaker 2: podcast this week, and he kind of dress that issue.
27:01
Speaker 3: I listen to what's being said about players in a
27:05
Speaker 3: very real way. I care about it. I listen to
27:07
Speaker 3: those in this building and the people that we have
27:10
Speaker 3: invited into this building, right and what their perspective is
27:13
Speaker 3: on these players. We build consensus internally, and that is
27:17
Speaker 3: leveraged at every pickpoint. Our wisdom of the collective is
27:21
Speaker 3: how we phrase it, and it is what guides our
27:24
Speaker 3: decision making. And I can tell you that when we
27:26
Speaker 3: get up on the clock, we're looking at the draft
27:31
Speaker 3: board and we see on it our sentiment and douvall DNA,
27:37
Speaker 3: and those are the two north stars, so to speak,
27:40
Speaker 3: and that is a collective output. And ultimately, when we
27:44
Speaker 3: look at the guys that we select, we're not selecting
27:47
Speaker 3: them without some version of consensus.
27:50
Speaker 2: John, I know that was part of a longer conversation
27:52
Speaker 2: with him, But it's not like he's just ignoring everybody
27:55
Speaker 2: else's thoughts and analysis. It's just a matter of not
27:59
Speaker 2: wanting to. I know they've talked a lot about not
28:01
Speaker 2: wanting that group think right. They want to think independently
28:04
Speaker 2: and then come together and see what everybody's values are
28:06
Speaker 2: and where there's crossover and where that meets.
28:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much time do we have?
28:09
Speaker 6: Because I can afra about this And I even told
28:12
Speaker 6: James maybe we saw it on that I didn't do
28:15
Speaker 6: a great job asking the question, partly because I was
28:18
Speaker 6: so flummoxed with the whole idea of.
28:20
Speaker 1: It that I thought it was ridiculous.
28:23
Speaker 6: But it was such a topic this weekend that I
28:25
Speaker 6: did want to get his thoughts on it. The idea
28:29
Speaker 6: of a consensus board that teams should be paying attention
28:34
Speaker 6: to what is quote out there at Let me clarify this.
28:41
Speaker 6: Teams should be aware of what they believe that other
28:46
Speaker 6: teams are thinking during the draft so that you can
28:49
Speaker 6: plot your strategy. And a GM should never be thinking
28:58
Speaker 6: what does this website say about this guy's value? There's
29:02
Speaker 6: a huge difference in that, and I love James answer.
29:07
Speaker 6: It was what I thought he would say. Their consensus, Brian,
29:10
Speaker 6: is built on all of the information that they spend
29:14
Speaker 6: countless hours and countless equity gathering.
29:17
Speaker 1: It's why they're here.
29:18
Speaker 6: And you know, so if I ever heard a GM say, hey,
29:21
Speaker 6: you know, draft tech dot com said this guy was.
29:24
Speaker 1: A second round pick, So I rolled the dice and
29:26
Speaker 1: went with it. Okay, great, listen.
29:28
Speaker 5: I have done.
29:30
Speaker 4: This is my thirty second draft. I've never heard the
29:33
Speaker 4: term collective board. I had never heard the term consensus
29:36
Speaker 4: board in the Over the weekend after the draft, I
29:39
Speaker 4: read it. I thought, what the hell does that mean?
29:41
Speaker 4: There's no consensus. You work to build consensus in your room,
29:46
Speaker 4: but there's no consensus around the league. There's no one
29:49
Speaker 4: shared board that everyone goes to. It's preposterous. And you
29:53
Speaker 4: talk about knowing what other teams are thinking, they've always
29:58
Speaker 4: worked to know that.
29:59
Speaker 5: They pick ap the phone.
30:00
Speaker 4: They call other scouts scouts, not web draft internet gurus.
30:06
Speaker 5: They go scouts and they talk to them.
30:09
Speaker 4: They share information, they get a little information, they give
30:11
Speaker 4: a little bit of information. But it's frustrating because and
30:16
Speaker 4: Mel Kuiper Junior has to do this right. I mean,
30:18
Speaker 4: he has built this industry and everyone has followed in
30:21
Speaker 4: his footsteps.
30:22
Speaker 5: But his analysis of.
30:23
Speaker 4: The Jaguars draft said, well, I had this guy as
30:27
Speaker 4: a fifth round pick.
30:29
Speaker 5: Who cares. You're not a general manager, You're not picking
30:32
Speaker 5: for these teams.
30:33
Speaker 4: And listen, Mel doesn't care what you think because he's
30:35
Speaker 4: just to chang to ching to ching, making money. And God,
30:37
Speaker 4: blessed him. Good for him, But it doesn't matter what
30:40
Speaker 4: Dan Brugler or Mel Kuiper or even Pete Prisco right,
30:44
Speaker 4: who we love. Their opinions are their opinions, and they
30:48
Speaker 4: don't make decisions here based on that. So they thought
30:51
Speaker 4: that Nate Borkacher was a fifth round pick. They didn't
30:54
Speaker 4: see it in this draft room that way. And we
30:56
Speaker 4: were just talking about the Duval DNA and how dialed
30:59
Speaker 4: in they are.
31:00
Speaker 5: On what's important to them. Once they get what's important to.
31:04
Speaker 4: Them, they don't pay attention to what draft analysts are
31:08
Speaker 4: saying on ESPN or Jaguars dot com.
31:11
Speaker 6: The nice thing about this is the course of a
31:14
Speaker 6: couple of years, we're gonna find out. And that's really
31:17
Speaker 6: That's always the amazingly comical thing to me about the drafts.
31:20
Speaker 6: And I struggle with it because I tried to give
31:23
Speaker 6: some you know, real information.
31:26
Speaker 1: When I write and speak, I always do a great job.
31:28
Speaker 1: That's the effort. With the draft. It's very, very difficult
31:31
Speaker 1: because people want to know right now what it is,
31:33
Speaker 1: and the reality is you don't know.
31:36
Speaker 6: If you're talking about well I graded them this way, well, okay, great.
31:42
Speaker 1: When they drafted Britain, Strange and Parker Washington.
31:45
Speaker 6: Had I been an independent app analyst, I probably would
31:48
Speaker 6: have said DS because I hadn't heard of right, well
31:51
Speaker 6: egg on my face, right. So that's what I always
31:54
Speaker 6: try to keep in mind whenever I look at a
31:56
Speaker 6: draft of Hey, this is great, but you just don't know.
32:01
Speaker 6: The Seahawks, famously in twenty twelve was it I won
32:05
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl with the with the core of their
32:08
Speaker 6: team and draft class, they got resounding fs. So at
32:11
Speaker 6: that point you should know what draft grades mean.
32:13
Speaker 4: The draft process, by its nature kai is subjective, right,
32:17
Speaker 4: It's an opinion based on facts. You put data there
32:21
Speaker 4: and they come up with their board. But the result,
32:24
Speaker 4: which we always have said is three years from now,
32:26
Speaker 4: is very objective. You can go and see how many
32:29
Speaker 4: games did they play, how many guys are still on
32:30
Speaker 4: the roster, what kind of results did they create. So
32:35
Speaker 4: we're going from all this subjective to now a very
32:38
Speaker 4: objective at the end of the twenty twenty seven season,
32:40
Speaker 4: you put a grade on what they did. You just
32:43
Speaker 4: can't do it instantly.
32:44
Speaker 2: It's too early to know, but it will be interesting
32:47
Speaker 2: to see how it progresses. Certainly, and it was a
32:49
Speaker 2: different draft force around here in Jacksonville, so that makes
32:52
Speaker 2: it unique in its own self. Stay with us here
32:54
Speaker 2: on jag Zam. We'll tell you what's coming up the
32:55
Speaker 2: rest of the week.
33:03
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
33:03
Speaker 2: As Jaguars get ready for the twenty twenty six season,
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33:12
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33:14
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33:16
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33:19
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33:25
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33:25
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be kind of cool. She was like, Hey,
33:27
Speaker 5: I got this idea.
33:28
Speaker 10: Let's let a Cary, you know, put out some cups.
33:31
Speaker 10: Let's let her crawl what she thinks. And I was
33:33
Speaker 10: like whatever, Like I don't really not whatever in a
33:36
Speaker 10: way of like I don't care, but like I was
33:38
Speaker 10: like sure. I was like why not? And then I'll
33:40
Speaker 10: go and play the game. And then her family's in town.
33:43
Speaker 10: So they all did it, and I'm watching in the background,
33:45
Speaker 10: and then every time they're like, she went to Jacksonville.
33:48
Speaker 5: She went to Jacksonville.
33:48
Speaker 10: She went to Jacksonville, and I was like, well, since
33:51
Speaker 10: the end of the season, I've been saying, do ball
33:53
Speaker 10: is where I want to be? And she went three
33:56
Speaker 10: times and then it was just like, well, God gets
34:01
Speaker 10: written in the books.
34:02
Speaker 5: I was God never lies, and I mean, I'm hearing it.
34:06
Speaker 5: It's just amazing.
34:08
Speaker 2: Alb Regis his daughter had a little esp picked out
34:11
Speaker 2: the Jaguars Cup when given the options of where he
34:13
Speaker 2: wanted to go. Maybe she likes kitty cats, not really sure,
34:16
Speaker 2: or maybe there's a couple of videos.
34:17
Speaker 1: Of that versions.
34:19
Speaker 4: The irony is that it says in his bio grew
34:23
Speaker 4: up a diehard Houston Texans fan.
34:26
Speaker 2: Converted, converting some fans in the family. I'm sure, absolutely
34:31
Speaker 2: such a cool experience. Obviously, the rookies aren't in this week.
34:33
Speaker 2: I think is it next week?
34:35
Speaker 1: Mini Camp next Friday and Saturday.
34:38
Speaker 2: So we'll get him in here. A big class of
34:42
Speaker 2: undrafted free agents as well. And what's cool about what
34:45
Speaker 2: they did last year is we got some really good
34:47
Speaker 2: contributions out of bj Green and Danny Striga. We're both undrafted,
34:50
Speaker 2: So there's that's a group as well that when we
34:52
Speaker 2: get them in here, we'll get to see some other
34:54
Speaker 2: new faces that maybe we hadn't heard of before that
34:56
Speaker 2: could be contributors.
34:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some guys running back from Virginia, uh and
35:01
Speaker 6: offensive tackle from you.
35:02
Speaker 1: I mean, I lie from UCLA. Three guys went to.
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Speaker 6: The combine, but the combine doesn't always indicate who the
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Speaker 6: really good guys are. Some of the guys last year
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Speaker 6: who were really good were not guys that you thought
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Speaker 6: initially serg All and Green when you first looked at
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Speaker 6: the bios probably didn't translate into being what they were.
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Speaker 6: So point being these eighteen, I think there's probably four
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Speaker 6: or five guys they really like, who are very excited
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Speaker 6: about who could contribute.
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Speaker 4: No grade, but I thought it was a really solid
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Speaker 4: effort and feeling a lot of spots where you needed competition.
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Speaker 4: But you also get Caleb Bransaw and Jayala McLoud back
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Speaker 4: and you hope to have Wyatt Milem healthy through training camp.
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Speaker 4: So I mean those are three guys that you kind
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Speaker 4: of added this class and say there is a lot
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Speaker 4: of potential for this team to be better this year
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Speaker 4: because of young players Also.
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Speaker 2: If you guys haven't seen it, Zach Durphy, who was
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Speaker 2: picked the edge player picked in the seventh round, was
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Speaker 2: player accent for the ESPN article this year, which is
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Speaker 2: just with a blind item they do about what they
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Speaker 2: think is the most underrated prospect. That's a pretty interesting
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Speaker 2: story and they have an update to it now that
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Speaker 2: it's been revealed, so that's interesting. You definitely want to
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Speaker 2: check that out. We'll be here kind of analyzing everything
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Speaker 2: and we'll be back with you again next week, so
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Speaker 2: have a good one.