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MidLife Sports Cards Q & A - September 24, 2025 · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  What's going on everybody? Alright, it's Wednesday.
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  Wednesday is Q&A day. Excited for five more great
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  questions. I can't say this enough.
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  I appreciate everybody who takes the time to submit a question
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  for the Q&A episodes. I had a lot of great questions
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  this week. If I didn't use your question
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  this week, again, please just be patient.
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  I'd literally keep them all listed.
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  I will get to them all. If you will have a question for
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  this coming week, feel free to ask it again.
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  The thing that I love about the Q&A episodes is it's what you
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  all are interested in talking about.
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  So it's it's really you guys get to pick the topic of whatever it
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  is that we go through. So there are times I'm like,
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  well, I think people would be interested in hearing about
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  this. Well, I know at least one person
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  is interested in hearing about whatever your topic is.
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  So don't hesitate down below in the comments to simply type out
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  your question. I'll add it to the list.
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  Look forward to covering them again.
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  I do 5A week and I absolutely love doing it.
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  Now, I didn't mention this on my Monday video for some reason.
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  I didn't mention that on over the weekend.
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  I went to a card show with my dad and it's a pretty big show.
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  It's probably the best card show.
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  Is it the best card show in Northern California?
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  It's pretty close. Sometimes there's a lot of
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  Pokémon, sometimes there's some Pokémon.
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  There was a middle to smaller amount than normal at this
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  particular one. There were some really good
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  things on display that had me really, really thinking.
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  I made three purchases. One I would say is a pretty
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  decent sized purchase and then I had a couple of smaller
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  purchases. But I will explain all of that
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  on Friday. I'm going to do the card show
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  video. It's been, it's been crazy with
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  everything. Again, we're in the middle of
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  Lucy's soccer season, her college soccer season.
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  Monday was a live stream. Thank you to everybody who
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  showed up. The live streams are so much fun
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  and obviously thank you to my guests.
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  Darren return to collecting Tony Southern collector 14, and Mr.
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  Mike Petty. I appreciate those guys.
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  As always, let me know down below in the comments.
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  Do you want me to stick with the same crew for my live streams
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  the the Homeboys or do you want me to mix it up?
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  Do you want me to do one thing one month, another thing another
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  month? Let me know that down in the
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  comments below as well. All right, so Friday card show
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  video, how that went. I'll show you my pickups.
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  I'll show you the show. A lot of great stuff.
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  Got some dealer info to share with all of you so that if you
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  see something that you're interested in, you can reach
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  out. As always, I try to do that.
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  Couple of the better dealers had some really, really great stuff.
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  It was it was a really good show.
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  All right, here we go. Question #1 this week right
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  here. You mentioned you might use it
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  and I thought you were going to in this episode, but you didn't
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  get there. So I want to ask again, what
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  happens when a grading company via AI can recognize a card that
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  was graded prior then cracked and resubmitted?
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  Honestly they could do this with current scanning technology.
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  PS as terms of service states they own the slab.
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  So if you crack it out and resubmit and they have the
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  ability to recognize the card, what's next?
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  Is it the end of unbiased second looks?
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  Because now they will know what their prior grade was despite it
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  being returned without the original slab.
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  OK I mean this seems like a great point.
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  It, it seems like a logical thought if, if you have taken a
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  card and you've sent it to PSA and PSA has scanning technology,
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  they have told us that they scan every card and they identify
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  every card 'cause every card is slightly different.
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  There's slightly, you know, different variations in the
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  paper that is used, slightly different, different textures
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  and, and things it and they create basically a, a
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  fingerprint is, is how they describe it at PSA of each card
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  that comes through. So if a card is submitted and
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  then resubmitted, they're able to identify it.
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  Now the the cards that are serial numbered, really easy,
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  really easy to know if that has been submitted before.
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  That is all in their database. So if they wanted to look up a
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  card and say, Gee, this number 9 out of 25 of this refractor card
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  has already shown up and we gave it an 8, so why grade it again?
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  We'll just give it an 8 because we know it's an 8.
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  So thanks for the donation on the money.
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  But it's an 8 just like it was last time.
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  That's what a lot of us would think.
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  But remember, remember a couple of things.
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  First, PSA is in the business of making money.
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  And so PSA is not in the business of suggesting that you
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  not resubmit a card. If if, if that if you knew that
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  that card got a certain grade and it had no chance of ever
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  again getting a different grade, you wouldn't resubmit it, which
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  is bad for business. Now businessmen want repeat
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  customers and I, I mean, I think that that's part of it now again
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  that you would say, but wait, if it got an 8 last time, should
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  get an 8 next time. And if we evaluated it once
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  before at an 8, then they should just look it up and give it an
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  8. But remember, the the heads at
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  PSA had said many times that there are ranges in how the the
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  grading falls. There are there are standards,
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  there are there are ranges, there are, you know, opinions of
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  particular graders. So they even readily say
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  themselves. They say that a card won't
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  necessarily get the same grade each and every time.
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  Doesn't mean it's necessarily going to get the same grade
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  because it's again it's a graders opinion and there's
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  ranges and standards so it could grade something differently.
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  Just because it got APSA eight the first time doesn't mean it's
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  always going to get APSA 8. It could get a nine, it could
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  get A7, it could get a 7.5. South, one of the reasons now a
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  lot of people would say that is that's not OK, that's not OK,
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  that that's the case, but it's the case.
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  And one of the reasons it's the case and one of the reasons I
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  think they're OK with it is because it allows people to
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  resubmit. If the same card got the same
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  grade every time, that would probably be the best thing for
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  those of us in the collecting community because we would know
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  that that's the grade and and they stand by the grade.
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  But that's not good for business.
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  That's not good for business. Now, a lot of us, and you know,
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  I've been harsh on PSA, you know, and and I know I just got
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  three thumbs downs in the comments because of what I just
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  said. That's fine, congratulations.
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  But my thought is this to a certain extent seems reasonable.
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  It seems reasonable that it would be a different grade.
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  The problem is that us in the card collecting community has
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  put so much value on the grade that people are willing to pay
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  significantly more or less depending on the grade, even the
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  same card. That's, but that's on us.
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  That's not on PSA. So let me just give you an
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  example. So high school students take AP
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  tests and AP tests are basically you take a class in high school,
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  it's sort of like an honors class.
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  And then at the end you take a test.
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  And if you perform well enough in the test, then a lot of
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  colleges will give you college credit for having that
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  knowledge. And it'll be like you took the
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  class in college. And if you perform below that
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  grade or that that threshold of depending on the college,
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  depends on the threshold, could be a three, could be a four to
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  five, depends on the college. Long story short, if you do
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  really well, you can get college credit.
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  If you don't do really well, you won't get college credit.
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  Now there are teachers all over the country that will go to 1
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  central place. Like for example, for a long
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  time, I think the one of the history AP testings was done in
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  Louisville. So in Louisville, KY, all these
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  teachers who are trained on how to evaluate this test, they go
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  to this one place, they all grade tests for like 3 days.
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  Isn't it possible that one teacher who's grading an essay
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  might say, this is only worthy, this essay is only worthy of A2,
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  but this other teacher, if they had gotten it, they might have
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  deemed it worthy of a three. Now they have rubrics, they have
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  standards, they have ranges. And it does seem possible that
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  two different people could evaluate that slightly
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  differently, which might make one person fall into receiving
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  college credit and one person not.
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  But because it's kind of a, a double-blind on.
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  You don't know who you're grading.
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  You don't know which grader you got.
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  On average, it's probably pretty similar, but it could be
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  different. So in a situation like grading a
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  card, it's the same thing. Again, as long as it's done by a
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  human being, human beings have differences.
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  Now am I defending PSAI? Don't think I'm defending PSAI.
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  Think what I'm doing is I'm explaining that whenever you
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  have two different humans evaluate something, they're not
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  likely to come to the same exact conclusion.
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  The conclusions might be slightly different.
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  And if I graded the same assignment from a student five
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  times, it's possible that one time I give it a 78% and one
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  time I give it a 76%. It's possible.
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  Then I give it a 79 one time in a 77, it's always going to be
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  pretty close, going to be pretty darn close.
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  But it might be different enough to fall over the threshold.
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  And I know that's what a lot of people say is to go.
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  That's the problem with grading. The problem with grading is it
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  could be A7, it could be a six, but the difference between A6
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  and A7 could be $1000. And that is the problem.
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  But whose fault is that? Isn't that our fault?
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  Isn't that the person who goes? I'm willing to pay way more for
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  that one because it got a 7 than that one that got a six.
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  Now the part where I get a little sketch is when there's a
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  card that gets a four and then it gets sent back in and it gets
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  A7, or vice versa, the same card.
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  The grade changes a lot. That's where I am like, but I do
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  kind of understand why A8 might become a nine or a nine might
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  become an 8. That seems reasonable when human
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  beings are doing it. So I don't know have was I just
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  hard on PSA or was I easy on PSAI?
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  Think I was a little bit of both.
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  Was I hard on the card community?
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  At the end of the day, the, the, the moral of the story is the,
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  the grade is one opinion and the grade is not the rule of law.
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  It is not a fact that that's it. That is the, that is the whole
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  point of what I'm saying. The grade is not a fact.
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  The grade is an opinion. Which by the way, yesterday
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  episode 2 of Surface Issues with myself and Mike Junkwax Hero
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  posted on YouTube. The audio version on podcast
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  formats posted on Saturday. Thank you to everyone who has
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  been supporting us on that. And we talked about what's the
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  difference between fact and opinion?
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  Is A7 in PSAA fact or an opinion?
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  I declare it to be an opinion. This one says I wanted to test a
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  theory with you. Love to hear your thoughts.
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  Do you think there is a difference between a sports fan
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  who collects cards and a card fan who follows sports?
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  Just a theory. There is absolutely a
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  difference. There's absolutely a difference
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  between a sports fan who collects cards and a card
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  collector who likes sports. There, you don't have to.
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  I mean you don't. Kevin O'Leary.
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  Kevin O'Leary was part of that group that bought the big Kobe
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  Jordan card. If you told me he never watched
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  basketball, I'd believe it. Now, is he a card collector?
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  Is he a card investor? That's a whole another thing.
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  I'll use myself as an example. I watch my Niner games.
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  I love watching my 49er games and I don't have many 49er
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  cards, not at least of the modern players I don't have.
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  I don't really have many Brock Purdies.
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  I don't. I mean, I don't have many
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  Christian Mccaffrey's. Maybe I should, maybe I should,
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  but I don't. So I am a sports fan of my
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  49ers, but I don't collect their cards.
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  I also collect cards of guys that have never watched play.
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  I like hockey. I don't watch much hockey,
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  although playoff hockey is fantastic, but I still want a
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  Mario Lemieux rookie card and a Wayne Gretzky rookie card.
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  But I don't watch hockey. But I want their cards.
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  So I don't think you. You definitely don't have to be
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  a sports fan to like sports cards.
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  My buddy Dylan Double D, he readily admits he, he rarely
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  watches baseball anymore, but he collects modern baseball cards.
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  He collect, he has a whole bunch of Aaron Judge carts, but he
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  doesn't watch baseball cards. I've been talking about Dylan a
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  lot lately. Maybe I should have Dylan on.
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  Dylan, you got to come on soon because we've been talking a lot
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  and and I've been talking about you a lot.
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  So we should, we should talk, we should get together and, and do
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  a video soon on something. I don't know what, but but Dylan
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  doesn't watch a lot of baseball, but Dylan collects baseball
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  cards. So there are also people who are
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  huge fans of their team and they collect Keith lonely basement,
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  lonely basement baseball cards. He collects Yankee cards and he
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  follows the Yankees closely. Mookie.
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  Mookie follows Mets game super closely and he collects cards.
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  So is there a difference? There is a difference.
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  I don't think either way it's mutually exclusive.
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  You don't have to collect cards to be a sports fan.
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  You don't have to be a sports fan to collect cards.
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  Is there a difference? Yeah, I I suppose there's a
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  difference. There are some people who are
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  really avid fans of their teams and they're avid collectors of
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  the players of their teams, and there are other people who are
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  avid collectors but don't really follow it that closely.
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  I think I answered the question. I believe that it's both.
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  You could be either. I don't think it's the same
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  thing. I think that it could be
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  different. This one states another
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  fantastic episode. First, thank you for answering
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  my question from a couple weeks ago.
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  Right now my biggest fear in the hobby is all this talk about
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  stricter standards in PSA grading vintage cards.
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  And I'm already seeing the results of this.
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  New collectors coming into the hobby wanting to buy vintage
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  cards but can't trust that the grades are accurate in old slabs
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  and feel that only new slabs can be trusted.
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  Most new collectors don't have the experience to judge a card
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  on their own and hearing and seeing all this negativity about
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  old slabs is causing a divide between the same grade that's in
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  my opinion only going to get wider.
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  Your thoughts on this I would like to know.
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  So I totally respect what you're saying.
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  I totally respect that you say. My biggest fear for the hobby is
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  that nobody can really trust grades as much because old
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  grading standards seem to be easier than current grading
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  standards. Some grading standards seem to
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  at times change, like even the published grading standards have
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  changed. Things are clearly kind of a
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  moving target. And I understand where you're
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  coming from because what grading has.
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  One of the things that grading can do is it can protect a
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  novice collector because the novice collector doesn't know
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  necessarily. That card is mint, that card is
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  X mint. I literally have some friends
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  who I who aren't really card collectors or or at least not
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  active card collectors, and I'll show them a card that I pick up
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  in like a four and they'll go, man, how's that not a 10?
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  And I'm like, well, there's a lot of reasons why it's not a
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  10. So through a, a, a novice eye,
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  through the eye of a person who is just kind of casual about it,
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  they don't see the the little details that might separate a
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  super high end card from a mid grade card.
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  And what grading, one of the things that grading I think does
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  do is it does to at least some extent protect those people.
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  But we went from the Wild West for years where it was all about
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  knowledge of condition. Like it was, it was the people
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  who knew condition had tons of power over people who didn't
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  know condition. And if you didn't know condition
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  and you didn't trust your own eye, you probably were just
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  like, oh, I, I thought it was nice.
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  I I guess it's not nice. Oh, oh, that little thing right
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  there, like that's not supposed to be there.
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  So what grading did is it took it from the Wild West to where
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  there's at least some policing of it, and it's not really
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  policing of it. But what happened was I think
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  that the pendulum swung all the way from the Wild West to the
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  opposite where it was like authoritarian.
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  It was like A7 is a 7 is a 7A6 is a 6A6 is never as good as a
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  7A7 is never as good as an 8A3 is clearly inferior to A5.
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  And I feel like we went from the Wild West where it was all kind
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  of like nobody really knew unless you knew.
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  And then it went to, well, they told me so.
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  So that's a fact. And like I just said a second
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  ago, a grade is not a fact. A grade is an opinion.
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  So I think we went from this thing where there were no of
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  outside third party opinions. It was just completely up to the
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  two people involved in the deal to we introduced a third party
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  opinion which I think in my opinion brings some value in.
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  Some people are super anti grading.
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  I think grading provides some value, but what grading does,
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  what grading really does is grading is an opinion and
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  grading is a data point. It's not the data point.
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  It is not the end of the debate. It is one opinion in the debate.
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  So I hear what you're saying about you fear it.
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  Your biggest fear for the hobby is that grading standards are
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  not as trusted. I actually kind of feel the
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  opposite. I actually feel like what
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  happened was collectors and dealers had all the power before
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  and the the knowledgeable collector had tons more power
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  and the less knowledgeable collector had very little power.
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  That's how it was that we gave all of the power to the grading
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  companies. We just handed it over.
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  We said whatever they say, whatever they say goes.
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  Oh, they said it's an 8. I guess it's an 8.
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  So we should charge 8 prices. It's they say it's an 8.
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  Well, there's there must not be a mistake, but over time and
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  what and say what you will about social media, say what you will
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  about YouTube, say what you will about, you know, different
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  people in the hobby sharing experiences and things.
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  But what I think one of the one of the biggest benefits of of
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  the hobby community being connected like it is now, like I
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  am sitting here in Sacramento and you could be watching this
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  from across the world by sharing opinions, by sharing evidence,
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  by sharing experiences, what we now have done is we have taken
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  the power back and over time, what has happened over time is
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  enough. People said, man, this card got
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  a six that has writing on it. They made a mistake.
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  Oh, look at this. This card was a 4I cracked it
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  and resubmitted it. Now it's a six.
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  Oh, look at this. I had it in an 8.
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  I cracked it and resubmitted it. Now it's a 5.
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  What that what all of that research, and that's basically
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  what it is, is it's research. What all of that research has
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  done is it's LED everyone to realize that the grade is not a
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  fact. It's just an opinion and by
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  being an opinion it gives us the power.
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  Back when people believed the grades were a fact and not an
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  opinion, all of the power was held by them.
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  So what was happening is if if you were able to get that card
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  in a high grade, it was worth more 100% of the time.
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  And what has happened now is people go this is a 5, but this
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  is a really low end 5. This is a old grade 5.
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  And this five over here, this 5 is a really nice five that is an
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  undergraded 5. So these two fives are no longer
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  the same. That to me is a movement that is
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  good for the hobby because what happened was we handed all of
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  our power. We just took all of our chips
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  and pushed them to the center of the table and said, whatever you
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  say, grading companies. And now what we've done is we
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  say, well, thanks for your opinion.
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  It's like going to the doctor and the doctor saying, I got bad
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  news for you. You have a brain tumor and you
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  go, I'm going to get another opinion.
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  And then you go to the other doctor and they say, I don't
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  know what that guy was talking about.
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  You don't have a brain tumor. How is that possible?
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  How is it possible that one could say I do and the other
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  could say I don't? Well, because unless you're
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  physically looking at the brain tumor, it's just an opinion.
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  The same thing with cards. They I like third party
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  opinions. I believe, I believe that SGC
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  and PSA and BGSI believe that has helped the the the hobby
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  grow because it gives an opinion, a third party opinion
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  to a person who may not have a real strong knowledge base of
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  what the actual condition of a card is.
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  It, it kind of helps educate them on the approximate range of
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  the quality of the card. But now that we've been able to
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  share experiences and we've been able to share our thoughts and
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  our opinions and show, look, this is what happened when I did
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  this. This is what happened when I did
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  this. This card sold for this, this
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  one sold for this. We've started to take the hobby
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  control back and that is where it belongs.
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  The hobby belongs to the people and the control of the hobby
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  belongs to the collectors. And I believe it's a good thing.
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  I do believe that. And, and to your point about
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  some new collectors not knowing that they're all different,
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  that's one of the reasons I keep beating the drum, the dead, the
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  horse is dead and I'm just beating it, beating it with
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  things about grading. And the reason why is because
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  there are always new people showing up.
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  There are always collectors who aren't fully convinced yet.
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  I think when there's evidence to present that the grade is an
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  opinion and not a fact, I believe that that is an
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  opportunity that we want to, as advocates of the hobby, of
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  ensuring the health of the hobby.
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  I think it's important that we continue to share that.
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  I'm not going to sit here and say that grading is the evil
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  empire of a card collecting. I don't think that.
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  I think it brings a lot of good, but it also has some bad
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  components to it. And when there's good things
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  that are happening or bad things that are happening, I want to
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  share it so that when those people are coming back into the
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  hobby or entering the hobby, there's a place where I they can
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  say, oh, OK, so it's not a fact, it's an opinion.
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  That's always my goal. And that gave us control back.
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  This one says, hey Greg, question for a future episode.
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  If you were to pick anywhere in the United States to live based
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  solely on the card hobby, where would you pick?
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  What would be the determining factors in that choice?
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  Access to card shows easy proximity to fellow YouTube
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  creators. Thanks and I look forward to
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  your answer if you decide to share.
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  This is a fun question and I would say I, I first read this
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  question like Friday, and when I read it, I've thought more about
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  this question. For whatever reason, I've
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  thought more about this question than any question I've gone in a
• 29:35
  while, which says I don't know what that says about me.
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  I, I went to a card show with my dad over the weekend, which I
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  mentioned earlier. And I have a tradition that
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  whenever I'm driving to or from a card show with my dad or with
• 29:51
  myself, I call Mookie Chilson. I tell him how it went.
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  And I was talking to Mookie on Saturday and I said, Mookie,
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  we're doing this show. This is what's going on.
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  And he said, I am driving with Sammy Thunder on Sunday to the
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  Philly card show. And I was like, now I'm jealous.
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  There are so many shows that happen in the Northeast.
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  There's the, you know, East Coast national, there's the
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  Philly show that, you know, strongs Villas in that area.
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  There's Fanatics Fest, which even though I'm, I, I would
• 30:32
  still be interested in attending a Fanatics fest.
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  There's, you know, you guys know them all where they're, they're
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  always up there. There's always a show going on
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  in the, the Northeast. A lot of my hobby friends live
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  in the Northeast now. I have hobby friends that live
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  in other places too. You know, people say, oh, you
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  and Petty both live in California.
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  Petty is a 7 hour drive from me. Yes, he is in California, 7
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  hours away. And you know, I have friends in
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  Texas, I have friends in Colorado, I have friends in
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  Florida, I have friends in the Carolinas, I have friends in
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  Pennsylvania. And you guys know where you
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  live? So if I were to pick a place to
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  live, I would want to live near where some of my friends live
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  and central to where a lot of the shows are.
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  I actually think the Pennsylvania area especially
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  kind of like Eastern Pennsylvania is probably a
• 31:40
  pretty good spot because it's not crazy far.
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  If you wanted to go to Chicago, where the National is a lot,
• 31:48
  it's not that far from Strongsville.
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  It's not that far from Cleveland, which sometimes hosts
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  the National. It's not that far from Shriners
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  or, or you know, the Fanatics Fest.
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  It's it's obviously right at the Philly show.
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  So I kind of think if, if I would, I would really choose, I
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  think Eastern Pennsylvania, if I had to pick a place.
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  I also have several guys that are in the hobby that I really
• 32:22
  like that live in the Philly area.
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  So if I would be able to run into them or hang out with them
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  even. So that's probably what I would
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  choose. Now I have a few guys that I'm
• 32:37
  really good friends with, not just card friends, but really
• 32:41
  good friends with who are also card friends that live in that
• 32:46
  area. That part of me would say, man,
• 32:52
  it'd be really fun to live in the same town as, you know, Tony
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  Southern Collector or Mookie Chilson or Darren Return to
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  Collecting, I mean to name a few.
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  There are a lot more guys that I'm also good friends with, but
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  part of me is like, it'd be really fun to live in the same
• 33:13
  town as Sam. But from the card collecting
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  thing being central to a lot of those shows and not horribly far
• 33:27
  from where a lot of these same people live, that'd be pretty
• 33:31
  cool. So I'm going Philly and finally
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  this one says question. I know you don't give out
• 33:41
  investment advice, but I thought this would be a fun question to
• 33:45
  ponder over. If you were going to invest in
• 33:48
  potential Hall of Fame football players cards and you thought
• 33:54
  they would go up in value once they're voted in, which players
• 33:59
  other than the obvious Brees, Brady, Mahomes, Fitzgerald, JJ
• 34:04
  Watt, Aaron Donald, would you invest in?
• 34:08
  What other players cards do you think will be logical Hall of
• 34:12
  Fame inductees and would likely have good investment potential?
• 34:20
  All right, I have many thoughts about this one.
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  First of all, I wouldn't, I wouldn't invest in football
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  cards of guys who aren't in the Hall of Fame where I think them
• 34:39
  making the Hall of Fame would make them go up in value.
• 34:43
  I, I, I wouldn't do that. Now I have been to the Baseball
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  Hall of Fame. I have been to the Football Hall
• 34:49
  of Fame. There are way more guys in the
• 34:52
  Football Hall of Fame that I don't know who they are than the
• 34:57
  Baseball Hall of Fame. I feel like the Baseball Hall of
• 35:02
  Fame is more of a big deal than the Football Hall of Fame.
• 35:08
  Now, both of them are obviously a big deal, don't get me wrong.
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  But if you may get into the Baseball Hall of Fame, that is a
• 35:19
  club where most people know who you are.
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  And in the Football Hall of Fame, because there's so many
• 35:30
  different positions that do so many different things.
• 35:33
  I mean, baseball, a lot of whether you make the Hall of
• 35:37
  Fame or not, like a overwhelming amount of it is as a as a player
• 35:43
  is how you hit and as a pitcher, how many stats you compiled.
• 35:51
  Well, stats for hitters too. It's not so much if you're a
• 35:55
  second baseman versus 1/3 baseman.
• 35:57
  It's like, oh, this guy was a better, a slightly better third
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  baseman. There are a lot of really good
• 36:02
  defensive players that aren't in the Hall of Fame a lot.
• 36:05
  Omar Visquel, I mean, Greg Nettles, I mean, there are a lot
• 36:10
  of Keith Hernandez, Don Mattingly, There's some really
• 36:14
  good defensive players. So ultimately it's about stat
• 36:20
  compiling as hitting and stat compiling for pitching.
• 36:26
  That's kind of like what makes you in the Baseball Hall of
• 36:28
  Fame. And, and I'm getting off the
• 36:30
  rails, so let me pull myself back in.
• 36:32
  So I wouldn't do it because I feel like if you are in the Hall
• 36:38
  of Fame as a football player, it doesn't suddenly make you way
• 36:44
  more relevant or in a club that is clearly separated from the
• 36:50
  others. I feel like in baseball, if you
• 36:53
  aren't in the Hall of Fame and then you get in, you're like in
• 36:56
  this club that is just different.
• 37:02
  So I don't see somebody in football who's not in the Hall
• 37:07
  of Fame. Like I love Roger Craig.
• 37:10
  Roger Craig was my guy growing up and he absolutely should be
• 37:14
  in the Hall of Fame, but he's not in the Hall of Fame.
• 37:18
  So if Roger Craig were to make the Hall of Fame, would his 84
• 37:22
  tops rookie card surge in value? No, it wouldn't.
• 37:27
  It just wouldn't. It would give him another thing
• 37:30
  to inscribe on on on an autograph, but it wouldn't make
• 37:35
  his card surge. It wouldn't be a game changer
• 37:39
  for his collectibility. Ultimately with football, and I
• 37:47
  don't really like this so much about football card collecting,
• 37:50
  but it is so much about the quarterback.
• 37:53
  It is like the quarterback. Then there's like a big drop off
• 37:59
  and there's like wide receiver running back and then it's like
• 38:04
  that maybe tight end. I mean, there's some incredible
• 38:10
  linebackers and lineman and safeties and cornerbacks.
• 38:16
  The cards aren't worth Jack. So I wouldn't invest in a player
• 38:23
  thinking well, I wouldn't invest in I, I wouldn't I wouldn't
• 38:28
  invest in cards of guys who aren't are already in the Hall
• 38:32
  of Fame. I personally don't invest in
• 38:36
  cards. I just buy cards and then hope
• 38:39
  they go up. Now back to your question.
• 38:43
  You listed some, so I'm going to answer the question, but I
• 38:46
  wouldn't do this. I'll answer the question because
• 38:50
  I'm, I'm not going to just avoid it.
• 38:53
  You listed some names you you listed like Mahomes and Aaron
• 38:57
  Donald and and some some other guys.
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  So my thought is which players that you didn't list and aren't
• 39:10
  in the Hall of Fame do I think have their cards have a good
• 39:16
  amount of potential? Well, the person you didn't live
• 39:21
  there. There's one that kind of jumps.
• 39:22
  I mean, someone was there was something about Eli Manning.
• 39:24
  I think you, you mentioned Eli Manning in the question.
• 39:28
  I, I wouldn't go out and buy a bunch of Eli Manning cards
• 39:31
  personally. Again, it, it's not always
• 39:37
  about, did you win a title? It's not always about your
• 39:41
  stats, 'cause there are a lot of players, a lot of stats.
• 39:44
  I mean, Dan Fouts has incredible stats and he's in the Hall of
• 39:47
  Fame, but it's, he could buy, he could buy his rookie card for
• 39:49
  cheap, right? The guy who I think has a lot of
• 39:53
  upside potential in football cards and isn't in the Hall of
• 39:58
  Fame and wasn't on your list. I would have said Aaron Rodgers.
• 40:06
  Aaron Rodgers is is and was really good, really good.
• 40:13
  And Aaron Rodgers is is a guy who a lot of people are aware of
• 40:18
  and but part of Aaron Rodgers thing is, is he's.
• 40:24
  He's a little different and because he's a little different,
• 40:29
  I think he's alienated a lot of people.
• 40:33
  And so because he's alienated a lot of people, I don't know what
• 40:40
  his long term card values are going to do.
• 40:43
  They definitely have some value and there are definitely a lot
• 40:45
  of Aaron Rodgers fans, but I don't know if people are going
• 40:49
  to look back and I don't know what he's going to do when he
• 40:54
  finally retires or say culturally that could make him
• 41:01
  his Cards values a little unstable.
• 41:08
  But Aaron Rodgers is an all time great quarterback and Aaron
• 41:13
  Rodgers is extremely well known. And Aaron Rodgers played on some
• 41:18
  really good teams, multiple MVPS.
• 41:22
  So I wouldn't invest in Aaron Rodgers.
• 41:27
  But of the people that you listed who I think their cards
• 41:31
  could have a good amount of value, I'd probably say Aaron
• 41:35
  Rodgers. But again, I wouldn't do that.
• 41:40
  I'm not. I don't do investment advice
• 41:43
  because I that's just not the lens through which I view the
• 41:49
  hobby. I had a dealer.
• 41:52
  Side note, I had a dealer at the show this weekend, really good
• 41:56
  guy, met him like 3 years ago, really like running into him.
• 42:01
  Super positive guy, great guy. And he's mostly a modern guy and
• 42:09
  mostly modern like basketball, some other stuff, but a lot of
• 42:15
  modern basketball. And he said, hey, I'm really
• 42:17
  thinking about going heavy into vintage for for like long term
• 42:23
  holds. Who do you think is a good long
• 42:29
  term hold in vintage? And, and I shared my opinions.
• 42:34
  I was like, well, I kind of think these car, he was like,
• 42:37
  give me 5 cards that are good long term holds Give me.
• 42:42
  And then I, I kind of went through my list and he goes,
• 42:46
  well, give me 5 more. And I kind of went through my
• 42:49
  list and I was like, I'm not saying you should invest in
• 42:52
  these, Like I'm not, this is not investment advice, but I, I gave
• 42:59
  some thoughts on it anyway. All right, that said, if you
• 43:04
  have a question for an upcoming episode down below in the
• 43:06
  comments, leave it. Thank you to everyone on Monday
• 43:09
  for coming to Midlife live #9 and Friday.
• 43:13
  Remember the card show video with some pickups?
• 43:17
  It was a good show. Won't be a super long video, but
• 43:20
  I definitely took some footage and I'll be sharing some
• 43:24
  information of some of the dealers if you want to reach out
• 43:27
  to them. So look forward to that on
• 43:29
  Friday.