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INTERVIEW: Joey Bada$$ Talks New Project, Coming For The West Coast, The 'Big 3', Fatherhood, Therapy + More · The Breakfast Club

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Every day waiting pick your ass up the breakfast Club.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: I'm finished for y'all.
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: Dune.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the world's more dangerous morning show. Charlamagne the
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: God just hilarious. Envy is out today. But now that
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Simone is here, and we got a brother who's got
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: a project coming out on August twenty ninth, call Lonely
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: at the top. The good brother Joey Badass is here. Man.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: What to through?
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  Speaker 1: Man? Good morning and blessed black and Holly fair? But
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: how you feel good?
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: Man? Good?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, how is fatherhood?
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Fatherhood is amazing?
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: Amazing? Congratulations father too?
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  Speaker 4: Now, thank you, thank you, appreciate that, loving it and
• 0:34
  Speaker 4: basking in it.
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. At the stage, ain't getting
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: much sleep, yeah right now, but you know it's going great.
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: Is a couple of months now something right?
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: How they changed you as a man?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I won't say it changed me as a man.
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  Speaker 4: I say it's refined, you know what I mean, just uh,
• 0:56
  Speaker 4: you know, maturity. It's like I ain't got the bear
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  Speaker 4: with you know what I'm saying, for like the bullshit
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  Speaker 4: no more. It's like when I had my first child,
• 1:04
  Speaker 4: the biggest revelation I had.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, oh shit, I only got one kid, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: It's like I've been taking cares so many people and
• 1:12
  Speaker 4: like putting so much energy into that and you realize
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  Speaker 4: that you have like one child, like one person that
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  Speaker 4: you're actually solely responsible for, and you know, having my
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  Speaker 4: son now is like, you know, it's no difference, It's
• 1:23
  Speaker 4: just it kind of gives you that extra boost of.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yo, listen, let's get to it. Let's get it done.
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  Speaker 4: Like when we leave in the house, we on the mission,
• 1:31
  Speaker 4: and the mission is to complete it and you know,
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  Speaker 4: get back home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Real, you got the best of both for us now
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  Speaker 3: because you got your.
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  Speaker 2: Girl and your boy now absolutely absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Said you've matured. Is there like a major difference from
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  Speaker 5: your first time having a child when you were younger
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  Speaker 5: versus now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I say the biggest difference was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't I'm at a different readiness and preparedness level now,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with this one, and then also kind of having the
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  Speaker 4: experience and the dad now right, it's like like playing
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  Speaker 4: words data, you know what I'm saying, Like and having
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  Speaker 4: that to apply. So everything that I've learned from my
• 2:09
  Speaker 4: first experience being able to take that and it kind
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  Speaker 4: of catapulted me into this one like where it's just
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  Speaker 4: like ah, yeah, yeah, like you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: everything is uh pretty much is like going navigating the
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  Speaker 4: street and knowing where the bumps is at, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's kind of like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was listening to Dark Or they sent
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  Speaker 1: me Lonely at the Top last night. They just sent
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  Speaker 1: me snippets, but I listen to the whole Doark orders one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was purposely done because I know you guys
• 2:37
  Speaker 4: have a system and y'all like to listen to the
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  Speaker 4: music before. But I also like to reserve some of
• 2:42
  Speaker 4: it because I want you guys to you know, actually
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  Speaker 4: be in tune, you know, whant to drop.
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  Speaker 1: So but you say on Dark Or, you say independent mindset,
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  Speaker 1: you ain't fucking with the majes. So when I think
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: about everything that's going on with your label right now
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  Speaker 1: and them delaying the album, does it make you wish
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  Speaker 1: you was Indy?
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  Speaker 4: Well, what I'll say is, you know, we had our complications,
• 3:05
  Speaker 4: and you know, I think what had what had disappointed
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  Speaker 4: me or angered me. The most is that I'm very
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  Speaker 4: passionate about my relationship with my fans, and you know,
• 3:18
  Speaker 4: when I say things, I want them to know that
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  Speaker 4: my word is bond. So I hate that I was
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  Speaker 4: put in a position where I communicated a date and
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  Speaker 4: then I had to change that, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: because I worked so hard on that relationship with my
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  Speaker 4: fans because you know, historically it hasn't I haven't always
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  Speaker 4: been the best at that, and that's you know, me
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  Speaker 4: taking accountability and me wanting to improve and be better,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But you know, so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we had our little whatever, but we're on common ground now,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And you know, I feel
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  Speaker 4: fully supported in everything. In August twenty nine.
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  Speaker 1: Do you really feel fully supported?
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  Speaker 4: You know, we got to drive into this thing, you see,
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to just be political, right, just get past.
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  Speaker 2: Get to it.
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  Speaker 4: Like damn, I thought the Juice would take the ABO.
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  Speaker 1: What's the point of a label? Even the land album.
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: But it's not like they're gonna work the records at
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  Speaker 1: radio the way that they It's not like they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: put the building behind you. With the promo and marketing
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  Speaker 1: the way that they should. So what's the point of
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  Speaker 1: the land album?
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  Speaker 4: Charlie Man, you got some some intense feelings today.
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  Speaker 6: Some juicy like that they give you a reason that
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  Speaker 6: they say, Hey, So the reason was that they felt
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  Speaker 6: as if, like you know, they wanted to.
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  Speaker 4: Put more into it, and you know, like I had
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  Speaker 4: my my uh uh my complications with that, if you will.
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you know, I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's not a bad thing. I just think
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: that the way that it happened, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: Like telling me the week before my fans think that
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  Speaker 4: the project is coming is just like not productive, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It's kind of productive to the
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  Speaker 4: whole situation. So, like, you know, I could say that
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  Speaker 4: their intentions were good, but the execution of it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: the best, you know what I'm saying. But like I said,
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  Speaker 4: like you know all as well now and you know,
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  Speaker 4: everybody's on comic ground and we got a date, so
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  Speaker 4: it was twenty ninth. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: I just want to put this music out and that's
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  Speaker 4: what I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was having a debate about you in a
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  Speaker 1: group chat, you know, the hip hop group Chest. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And so I was saying, like, like Joey, like I
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  Speaker 1: looked at the project.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in the group chats a lot this.
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  Speaker 1: Year, but great reason.
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  Speaker 4: It's like like the fifth person I heard saying, y'all
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  Speaker 4: talked about you in the group.
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  Speaker 1: Chat and everybody had one, uh one common thing in
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: regard to Joy bad Ass the music. They always say,
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  Speaker 1: he just need a record. M Is that something you change.
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  Speaker 4: I won't say that I chase that, but I won't
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  Speaker 4: say that it's something that I'm not cognizant, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. I definitely have an awareness of that.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, only at the top August tenty. Never see
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  Speaker 4: what happens, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying, Because is that implying that it's
• 6:16
  Speaker 5: on this tape.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see, you know what I mean, We'll see, Like No,
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  Speaker 4: I I think that there's a record on there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe two records on there. I think that's a great record,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think that's definitely poised
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  Speaker 4: for that type of position. But there's another one I'm
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  Speaker 4: specifically thinking about.
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  Speaker 1: But the super I got, like the it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to reserve, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I want people to because you know it and it's
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  Speaker 4: funny and I'm glad we having this conversation because i
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  Speaker 4: feel like in twenty twenty five, like I'm at a point,
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  Speaker 4: I'm at a point where my artistry where it's like
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  Speaker 4: I really don't want to give samples out. I really
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  Speaker 4: don't want to drop no songs ahead of it. I
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  Speaker 4: really want you to experience the body of work like
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  Speaker 4: I intended it to, and I wanted it to be
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  Speaker 4: fully new when when people hear it, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like I don't want to. I don't I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to give away too much. I have too
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  Speaker 4: much expectations, like I really enjoy creating bodies of work
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  Speaker 4: and sharing that, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So, but yeah, you know you still got to promote
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  Speaker 2: your project.
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  Speaker 4: Is like how do you promote the project without like
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  Speaker 4: putting singles out and you know, ship like that.
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  Speaker 3: But this is one cliff hanging in.
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  Speaker 7: This nigga man like he want a cliff with his
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  Speaker 7: music and an acting because yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a cliff hanging in.
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah you are.
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  Speaker 7: You will leave somebody on a cliff and not know
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  Speaker 7: what's going on, because even in the films, even with
• 7:42
  Speaker 7: the shows like we you know, if unique that or not.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta create some suspense, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: some suspense and anticipation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you feel something.
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  Speaker 5: Hell anticipation this year, especially starting off the year. What
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  Speaker 5: was it the first week of January?
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  Speaker 1: First day, first day, first.
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  Speaker 5: Day, you're first attacking the or you know, claiming your
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  Speaker 5: title in New York. But then also you know, coming
• 8:06
  Speaker 5: from the West Coast, what what struck that?
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  Speaker 4: So first of all, it's like, you know, my intention
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  Speaker 4: was never to come for the West Coast, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I think that like with Ruler's back,
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  Speaker 4: my energy was more connected to like it was really
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  Speaker 4: in the spirit of like, yo, y'all having y'all moment,
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  Speaker 4: but New York got something to say too type of thing,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And it's like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people had their complications.
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  Speaker 2: With that, like, oh y'all had y'all moment. We ain't
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  Speaker 2: say nothing.
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  Speaker 4: This aid a third But I'm like, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, and it's playful.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a playful nature for.
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  Speaker 4: Me, you know what I'm saying, Like this rap shit
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  Speaker 4: is a sport, and I have so many allies on
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  Speaker 4: the West. Like from my perspective, if you really seen it,
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  Speaker 4: it's like I didn't mean no disrespect. That wasn't my
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  Speaker 4: intention or whatever. But I'm like, yo, we rapping, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So when people felt like I
• 8:52
  Speaker 4: was attacking, I had to respect it because I think
• 8:56
  Speaker 4: that my perspective would have kind of been the same
• 8:58
  Speaker 4: if the shoe was on the other foot, like yo,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So, and I think that
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of people took the opportunity and.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: A lot of good things came from that.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah like rap I mean that's honestly, that's how
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  Speaker 1: the compensation started in the group chat because I said,
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: I said, Joey Bad that's the nicest like new dudes
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  Speaker 1: from New York, right, you know, even though you've been
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: out for a while. But it's like he's he's that
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  Speaker 1: guy right now, Like that's what I was asking the
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: group chat, and so everybody sent the emoji's back like
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: let me think about that. But if not you who That's.
• 9:29
  Speaker 7: How I feel that somebody was to respond back from
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  Speaker 7: like the West coast, right, if one of the raps
• 9:35
  Speaker 7: was to like, all right, go back at you where
• 9:38
  Speaker 7: you prepared for it to be.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: People people did respond. Yeah, a bunch of people respond.
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  Speaker 2: It was like fifty niggas.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: We definitely got to get into that.
• 9:46
  Speaker 5: But I want to get into this line on rulers
• 9:48
  Speaker 5: back where you were like women lie, but Joey don't lie.
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: Might delete later. I know damn sure that Joey won't.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: That's sorry, not sorry, oh sorry, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But with that line, I you know, the play on
• 10:00
  Speaker 5: words with my delete later and you know that being
• 10:03
  Speaker 5: close project.
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about the Big Three now?
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you mean?
• 10:08
  Speaker 5: Do you still feel like there is a Big three?
• 10:10
  Speaker 5: Did the Big Three change? Do you feel like it's
• 10:12
  Speaker 5: like not a thing anymore?
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Nah? I want to say that it changed.
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: I mean I say that, you know, over the last
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: ten years when we talk about rap, like, yeah, I
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: think that those figures are the prominent figures.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying in the space.
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, a lot of interesting things has
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: happened in the last year.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, to say the least.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, But yeah, I mean I
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: don't feel no particular way about it, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I love it. I love it all.
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  Speaker 1: As a New York artists, you feel the way and
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  Speaker 1: the reason because when you're talking about Big Three and
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: no MC from New York is mentioned.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, bro listen. I think I think the
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: Big Three, though, was more of like a how do
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: I say it?
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  Speaker 2: Like? I think it's more of a like it's like
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  Speaker 2: a class.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that, like like when we talk about
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: the Big Three, we're talking about that class, and I
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: think that there's a new era that's, like, you know,
• 11:07
  Speaker 4: kind of right behind that, where we might be talking
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  Speaker 4: about a different three individuals in like the next five years.
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  Speaker 5: But you don't consider yourself in that class.
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, see the thing is I kind of do,
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: but I'm so much younger than anybody else. Anybody else
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  Speaker 4: in that class got me about like eight to ten years.
• 11:24
  Speaker 5: That was gonna be my question for you, because I
• 11:26
  Speaker 5: feel like the game that you play versus the game
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: that they play is different. Like I think you brought
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: to my attention that Big Daddy, Kane and jay Z
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: are the same age.
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  Speaker 3: And then it's like, well, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, close to it at the same age.
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  Speaker 5: But there are different classes. So I feel like it's
• 11:42
  Speaker 5: the same thing for you where it's like you're in
• 11:44
  Speaker 5: the same classes then, but you your game is just
• 11:46
  Speaker 5: a little different.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow shit the more you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but you know, I feel I feel similar
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  Speaker 4: to that, and I think that me being younger has
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: kind of allowed for different things for me, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, I think everybody's path is different,
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: and there's not much that I would really change about
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  Speaker 4: my path. I'm just getting better, you know what I'm
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: saying as I go on, And yeah, you know, I
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: think that me being younger than those pairs gives me
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  Speaker 4: more years, you know what I'm saying. It gives me
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: like still like a longer runway to you know, do
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  Speaker 4: what I want to do.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: So so, in terms of your music career, what do
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: you think has kept you from getting to that next
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: level just music? Well, what you mean just like to
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: be in that to be mentioned with that with those
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: guys I or maybe have the commercial success to day.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's me. I think it's the music
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  Speaker 2: that I put out, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I don't put out a lot of commercially poised music,
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: I think it's that or do you think it's that
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: you went the independent route.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of both, you know what
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that I've put out much commercial sound
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: and music, you know what I mean. And it's like
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: the ones that I did, Like you know, I put
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: out Devastated back in twenty sixteen, and that had a
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: big moment, and that's like probably one of my least
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: favorite songs in my catalog.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: So it's like I.
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: Remember how that made me feel, and it's like, even
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: though it had the success, I'm like, is this feeling
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  Speaker 4: worth it?
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  Speaker 2: Like do I want to like really be attached to
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  Speaker 2: a song that I don't love? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: So like it kind of became more about artistic integrity
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  Speaker 4: for me. It's like I just kind of value that
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit more. But what I will say is
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: I am trying to find the sweet spot.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I am looking for that
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  Speaker 2: sweet spot. It's like, how can I stay.
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  Speaker 4: True to me but still like you know, amplify it,
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  Speaker 4: amplify the sound so.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: And nobody ever talks about that making a record that
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: works but it don't feel right to you, but you
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: got to go out there and live with it.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, for sure, you
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: So that's what that taught me, and is like after that,
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: it was like I was very skeptical about making those type.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Of sounds again.
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  Speaker 4: Like you know, even though for me, like I really
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: do enjoy being experimental and versatile and I enjoy when
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: I play a song for somebody and they're like, yo,
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: that's you.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoy that feeling.
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  Speaker 4: But sometimes it also kind of like takes away from
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: like division a little bit, right, because like I don't
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: have a single other song like Devastated in my catalog,
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: and it's like when I'm when I'm going certain places,
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  Speaker 4: that's the representative thing of me. But it's like when
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: you dive into my discography, it's like it just sounds
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: nothing like that, and you know what I mean. So
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: I think just kind of being away with that and
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: then also just focusing on my bodies of work as well,
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: you know, And.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's about what you want from a artist.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Like when I listen to the project like underwater three
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: three feet three feet away, speeding through the rain, Like
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm on. I'm like, oh, okay, that's what
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: I'm rewinding. Those are the records I enjoy here.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those my favorites right there too.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the record underwater. I totally understand what you meant,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: you know when you say you feel like you're underwater.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: But what do you do in those moments when you
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: feel like you're underwater, when that fame and depressure and
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: expectations feel like you're drowning?
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: Well, turn to God, you know what I'm s and
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: talk to God, connect with God, connect with sauce, and
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: do a lot of self reflection, you know what I mean.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: I'm somebody who, like, I'm not obsessed with being right,
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: because I believe that when I'm wrong, I learned, you know,
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: and you know, when I'm right, interestactly, I'm right in
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: the moment.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: But so like in those moments, I do a lot.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Of self reflection, self correction, and you know, I like
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: to I like to take accountability because I feel like
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: that makes me better, It makes me stronger, and it
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: gives me, you know, the wisdom that I need for
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: the next day.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: How do you protect your piece in the industry that thrives.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, stay out the way, man, you know, stay out
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: the way. I think this year has been the most
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: in the way I've ever been. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: yeah for a good reason, right, Like a lot of
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: good music came out of it. But you know, just
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: from a general standpoint, like I think it's staying out
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: the way, and I think lifestyle affects a lot of that, right,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Like you know, like where I'm at now, my life
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: at thirty years old, Like you know, I'm still fairly young,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: but my life reflects that of like a very mature man,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: So it's like you ain't gonna really find me in
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: the club.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: You ain't gonna find me, and like you know, these uh,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: these dark energy spaces, you know what I'm saying, where
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: like like, yo, I got my social battery so low. Now, Yo,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: when I saw you out the other night when we
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: was at the metro booming joint, like after that, like
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: I just had to stay in the house with five as.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: A year recovering, you know what I'm saying.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: And it was too much because you know what I mean,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: it's like I get mad dafts out, you know, mad
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: people like yo boy, It's like the first time a
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: lot of people were seeing me, you know what I mean.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: And it's just it does a lot to me, and
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: it's like I kind of got to recover from that. Yeah,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I probably gonna have to recover from this interview.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Because I bought the niggas juice.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Impressed me about.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: How much is being a successful actor change the trajectory
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: of your career. You just enjoy bad as the rapper
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: when you go out you I mean, I.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Would say that you know it made music because I
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: feel like at a point music was becoming to me
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: like feeling like a job.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: The success in acting has like supported music being art
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: against me and just like it being like, just do
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: what you want to do because you're good, you know
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, like you're good, there's other things
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: that you can do, like you know you are, You're limitless,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: So do what you want to do and just make
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: sure that every expression is as true as to heart,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it's just the spirit as
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: you wish it to be.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: What do you like better acting on music?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I like both you know what I mean.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: It's like people ask me that question a lot, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, man, like, why do I got to choose?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Think that there we're talking about the field of arts.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: So to me, it's the same thing almost, you know
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like it's still me. I'm just
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: showing up in another space, another medium, but as an
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: artist still you know what I mean, expressing myself performing.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: This, that the third. So it's like, yeah, I like both, Like.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I don't plan on choosing
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: that one over the other. Like I think that, yeah,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: I'm highly capable and I will continue to be capable
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: of just doing both, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I got some some movies that that I'm working on,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: some shows that I'm working on.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I can't you know, spill no beans yet, but man,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I gotta be aware of that. Man, the cliff, just
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: on the cliff, on the cliff, all the time. It's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: slowly at the top of the cliff. Yes.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Has acting changed the way you write music?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Hmmm?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: No, But I have been having a repeated thought like
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I want to approach my music more from a space
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: like that more from like a theatrical space, like how
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: can I you know, not with this album, but like
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: how moving forward? How can I involve what I've learned
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: on the TV and film side and bring it into
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: my music more. I have been like, you know, examining
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: that whole feel of thought and being like, yo, like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I definitely want to try my hand at like world
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: building and playing a character on a body of work,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: if you will, and.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Like playing into that and music videos and all of
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that type of shit, because I'm like, I could do that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: You've seen that though, I mean Biggie did it with
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like Ready to Die or Rayquan did it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Right, right, right, but you know, doing it in twenty
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: twenty five at a whole new level, you know what
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Even Kendrick did it with Good Kid, Mad City. You know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: like those guys do it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: How connected are you to your roles? Like is playing
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: Unique and raising Kanan? How how many like are there
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: a lot of similarities between Joey Badass and Unique.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I say, when it comes to any character that I play,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: the first you know I do is find a similarity,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: but I also find the differences too, Right, I think
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: that I get very I do get very connected to
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: my characters because I think that my style of acting
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: is kind of like method a little bit like what
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: they call method acting, and it's like I have to
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: I have to believe it and I have to like
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: like I tell people all the time, like I don't
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not interested in acting. I'm interested in like living,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, Like I become the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: role and like I live it out like on film
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: if you will you know what I'm saying, because to me,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: that's the only way that it's real, like there is
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: when you see me. There is aspects of what's going
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: on that I'm like in that moment, like I believe
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like it's real to me,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: like this is what's going on is And then it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: like I think that one of my strengths is an
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: actor too on My biggest strength, I would say, is
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: my instincts. Because you know, it's one thing to look
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: at lines, and lines is easy for me because I
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: come from rappid so it's nothing for me to memorize lines.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: But for me, what like really brings it to life
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: to me is when I get in that environment and
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, cool, like I'm kind of talking with
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: the environment if you will you know what I'm saying.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And it's just like, shit, I don't know.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I might approach you know, my my my senior partner
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: a certain type of way, but like that was a
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: scripted or I might say something to bridge the lines
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: together because that just feels real for me, Like this
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: is what I would do in the situation type of thing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: And do you have you ever gotten stuck in a
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: role right, like oh shit, oh no, okay when you.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Go home back and you need get a police called
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: on you?
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: When Unique got killed off? Did you know you were
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: killed off? Or like did you know you were coming back?
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Did I know I was coming back?
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, So I didn't know I was coming back. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: didn't I was coming back, So like you know, the
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: story goes that. So the reason why that even happened
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: was because that year I had put out in an album
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: when we was filming that season, and I had to
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: tour it and the tour was conflicting with the shooting schedule,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: and I was just like yo, at that point, it
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: was like season three, and I was just at a
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: point where it's like yo, I feel like, I mean,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: how long is the show going to go on? I
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: don't know, but I feel like I've done what I
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: had to do. So I'm like, I'm cool with y'all
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: eighty six to me if that's what y'all gotta do,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that's why it happened.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: It was written into the script unique dies. And then
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: the day that I wanted to get my head casting right,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: which is like the process of like, you know, if
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: you're about to have a brutal death in the TV,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you got to get your head casted because like they
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: need something to bang in, you know what I mean,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Like so like they make a fake prosthetic version. When
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I walked into that office, I was like, oh, no,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: something is wrong. I made a mistake, you know what
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I mean. And I called up Sasha Penn, who was
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: the creator and the show runner raising Kanaan.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, is there any way.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Because you know what it was, I had that moment
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, yo, I felt like I was like
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: at a crossroad. So first I called my mom because
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: my mom is somebody who is just going to give
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: it to me raw, you know what I'm saying, so
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, like what should I do? Because at
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: the time, there was something on the horizon that wasn't
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: set in stone yet. So I was cool walking away
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: from the show because I'm like, I'm about to walk
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: up to this other opportunity when I get back from
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to him. And then my mom had dropped some wisdom
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: on me, like, yo, one in the hand is better
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: than two in the bush, and I was like, let
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: me call you back, and I called up Sasha and
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, is there any way we could reverse
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: because he never wanted to let me go.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: He never wanted to kill my character. He never wanted
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to kill him.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: And then he was just like yo, Joey, like tell
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: me you serious because if you are, like, I'm gonna
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: make some calls and it's like you cannot play with me.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, nah, I'm dead serious. He made it
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: happen for me, and I left the head casting was.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I was I was mad at him.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah really unique And he's not.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Only want to kill you if you wanted to die,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah really.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Really, but you're dying to tell us like, all right, guys,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I'm coming back. Because everybody was tweeting you you know
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: mentioned yo.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: So it's it's kind of fucked up because I had
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: to even lie to my castmates. Yeah, like I couldn't
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: even tell my castmates why though, because that's what they
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: told me. It was like, yo, like like you can't,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: you can't tell nobody because it was a cliffhanger, right,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: So it was everybody was still shooting, like I died
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: episode five, and it's like they had to keep going.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: So it was like they're like, no, we got to
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: keep the like we got to keep the characters safe,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: like everybody got to believe that shit, right, And I
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I mean all.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Right, that makes sense. Fifty be doing some random what
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: random near death moments and then they come back.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: What did fifty say during that time? But he's that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: type of involvement?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: What did he say at that time?
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I didn't speak to fifty till after when I had
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: came back, and yeah, he had. He pulled up on
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: me one day and like it was just me and him,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: like we just traveling up for like forty five minutes.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Fifty is like, I like, he said a lot. He
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: said he said a lot that day.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: You know what, I'm saying he dropped a lot of
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: game and wisdom, and I could tell that, like he
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: got respect for me, and obviously it's mutual, you know
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So yeah, no, he was just basically like, yo,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: you got it, Like like yeah, shit, you the one
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: like you could do whatever the fuck you want to
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: do in this joint. Like and he was like, Yo,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you know, I I want to let you know, I
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: got like thirty eight plus other shows, so it's whatever
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you want to do, you know what I'm saying, And like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: you know, just kind of giving me that talk, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, word, you know, I.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Want to go back to the music for a minute, right,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: like you've always kept that classic New York City sound.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Do you ever feel any pressure to evolve with the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: time pressure?
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I feel like I did in the past, but I
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: feel like now I'm at a point. It's like, man,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I feel like when you get to, like, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: your thirties, and then I think I've had an accelerated growth,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: so youven know I'm thirty, I feel like I live
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: like I'm thirty seven.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: That's how I got my lifestyle is.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: For real, And I just feel like I'm at the
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: point where it's like, man, like I know exactly who
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I am, you know what I'm saying. So I don't
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: feel the pressure to like do anything that anybody else
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: is doing, Like I just want to do me Like
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I'm very content and fulfilled by doing what I want
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: to do and what feels natural and true and authentic
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: for me. Yeah, Cause it's like if it don't feel authentic,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: it's like I feel off, you know what I mean,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I feel out of balance.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So what that said. Coming from a borough like Brooklyn,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: which is so rich and hip hop, how did it
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: feel watching so many Brooklyn artists embrace like drill music, That's.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: An interesting question. I mean it felt like because I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: feel like.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Drill didn't come from New York, you know what I'm saying.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: It came from Like I mean, where did it come from?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: In UK?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, London and Chicago.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: So I mean I thought it was interesting though, Like
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I wasn't mad at nobody or whatever, you know what
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like it kind of eventually, you know, New
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: York made his own version of it type of thing,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean listen, like that's what they do.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I do what I do, like I've always been proud.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Of like just doing my own thing, you know what
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, being able to stand over here and like
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: my own lean and shit like that. Like I just
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: always been content with that, you know what I mean.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: But shout out to a la homie. You know what
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, because I know all of these guys and everything,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: you know, mutuals.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: You got a residency, Yu, this is correct?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Well I had one. I have is over now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how did that come out? How did that come about?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So I started a.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Mentorship program called Impact Mentorship, which provides professional mentorship for
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: men of color in the United States and Puerto Rico.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And you know, one thing kind of led to.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Another and in YU noticed the work that I was
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: doing and they reached out for me to do an
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: artist in residency And I was actually the youngest artist
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: to ever do a residency there and it was beautiful.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm all for connecting with, you know, the younger
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: generations and sharing my wisdom because I feel like, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I ain't come this far to just like not share
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: what I've learned with people. Like I'm very big on
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: like going back to the navigation analogy, Like I'm very
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: big on Like, Yo, I've been down this road. It's
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: a pothole right there. Make sure you go left or Yo,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: that room right there is on fire, you know what
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. I mean you could go see for yourself,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: but just no, as soon as you touch that door handle,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: your hand is gonna burn.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You know what i mean.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: You know sometimes people still want to you know, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I'm very big on sharing that information because that wasn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: done for me all the time and my come up,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I want to make
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: sure that I could use myself as not only an example,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: but as a tool for like, you know, people on
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: the come up.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Because yeah, but you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Get though when you listen to your music or even
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: just a regular conversation. When you said earlier you said charlamage,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you were really expressing some type of feelings this day,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But when you look at
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like the underwater, like I said, the three feet away
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to speeding through the ring, you clearly are addressing your
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: mental and emotional well being. So do you share the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: work you've done with people? Oh?
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like this project right here, like it all
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: went platinum already amongst my friends and family. Okay, you
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like shout out to Untitled is
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: an app that they allow you to kind of like
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: you know, ship music, and it's like, yo, I just
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: got five thousand streams already, not literally, like it got
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: five thousand plays just for me sharing it with my
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: friends and my family, and it's like seeing everybody gravitate
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: to this, gravitate to that, Like you know, I kind
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: of like my village is very involved, and you know
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the music that I'm making and producing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And I heard you talk about meditation before. Oh yeah, therapy,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all of that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, all of that, all of the fucking the self
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: improvement shit, Like I'm all about it, you know what
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's more therapeutic? Actual therapy are going in the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: booth and getting it off. I know you always hear
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the artist be like your therapy is Yeah, music is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: my therapy. You know.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: It's interesting you asked that because you know, I think
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: both are therapeutic. I think you know, when you when
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: you're in the booth, though, it's like it's just letting
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: off steam almost.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: You get to express, but like do you really get
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: to understand?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And I feel like that's what's sitting down with the
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: therapist really brings to you.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It's like it helps you get to that place.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Of like knowing why things are happening to you and
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: not just like what are what is happening to you?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I feel like the music gives me the outlet to
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: talk about what is happening, but therapy gives me the
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: outlet to understand why things are happening, you know what
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. And yeah, it's like I actually am looking
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: for a therapist at the moment.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why do you why do you think you
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: need it? One?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I loved my past one, but it's like it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: just been a little minute since, you know, we connected.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: So it's just like I'm looking for somebody, you know, yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: because it's like, yeah, you know, we gotta we're gonna
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: have to do the whole thing anyway, like you know, redownload.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And shit like that. But yeah, but yeah, he was
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: he was great and he he helped me a lot.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I love when black men learned early what I learned
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: late because I didn't start going to therapies since I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: was thirty six or thirty six, thirty seven, So what
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was the moment you realized you needed you only thirty?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: So I actually had did one of those therapist sessions
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: with Noisy You remember those joints they used to put
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: out with the rappers.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Therapist series did one. I did one. And it's funny
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: because that's the first time I ever did therapy. It
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was live for the world to see, you know what
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: And I felt like indifferent about that at the time,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: but I was very glad that I did it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: And I was very like, you know.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Typical, like he gonna say he gonna help me with
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: and I ended up like crying a type of ship.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: And then after that I actually connected with him, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: that's who became my therapist like the next five years,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We conducted private sessions after that,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: and you know, and yeah, shout to doctor Siri, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: he's he's he has helped me becoming a better person.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: I love how you can be transparent about that. Not
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: many men can be transparent about that. Prior to your
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: relationship with Therea, you kept your personal life very private,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: like they knew very little about you. And I know
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: that is intentional, but how hard has it been adjusting
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: to people knowing because we still don't know a lot,
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: but just even knowing that part of it, How have
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: you been adjusting to that?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I would say that it's a learning experience because it's
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: pretty new for me, you know. But what's not new
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: for me is being a public figure. So I'm somewhat
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: used to and normalized the idea that I'm freaking you
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like my life is up for
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: anybody to talk about, like at least whatever I show.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: So I just try to be as cognizant as that
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: as possible, and you know, show what I want them
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: to see, and you know, not show other things like
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't. I've never been a person to like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: you know, really show my kids like that on social
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: media because you know, like you know, with my daughter
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: for example, like her mom and I is obviously not together.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: So like there are moments where my daughter is not
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: going to be with me, and the last thing that
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I want is for people coming up to her because
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying, they know me or something like.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: That, Like yeah, so it's like I do that out
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: of protection and yeah, I'm very very critical about, you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: protecting the people in my life.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like I'm not just
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: because these people are not on the stage I am.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: So I'm I'm built for this, you know what I'm saying.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: The public opinion and stuff like that. People say negative
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: things to me. I say negative things all the time.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: I don't respond, I don't engage. But these people are
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: not you know what I'm saying. It's like that that'll
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: really affect their world and affect their energy, you know
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: So I do my best to protect my loved ones.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: You think people realize how proping you are in Hollywood?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: How pop and I am, Like you were part of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a project that want to osk you bro crazy?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean shit, listen, man, I don't. I don't.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think I really give a fuck about that
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: type of shit. Sharlow man, you know what I'm saying.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Like I if you came to my house, you will
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: understand why I don't give a fuck.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Like I live a beautiful life, you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Know, what I'm saying, like I pray every day every
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: morning if the world got to catch up with some
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: type of like understanding of who I am in Charlotte,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Look, why you didn't wear blue at the baby shower?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: You from Baltimore?
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, yeah from bottim Oio.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so why you didn't wear blue?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You just my lady?
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I got you, all right?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: You know the balance?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: You look nice. Y'all looked great.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: I was just You're the first person I saw were
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: black all black black panther at the the uh, but.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: You look nice.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: It was a beautiful event from what we saw.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: We see much from the baby shower, but from what
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: we saw, y'all did look nice.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Being that you are somebody who's so evolved
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: and like deep into work with therapy and stuff like that.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: How did you feel about j Coole's apology during the
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: whole battle this question?
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I understood it, you know what I'm saying, Like, like
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I definitely understood.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: It's like because you know what it's like, I don't.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I don't want to, Like I'm really not looking for
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: a moment of like a clickbait thing.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: I'm really trying to be intentional about what I say,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: but you know, I understood it. I just feel like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: you know, if I just like you should have never
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: engaged in the first place. You know, that's it. That's
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: all I'm gonna say, like you just never engage if
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: it was gonna be about that, So you know, in
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: referencing back to the line that you had brought up,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: and that's why I said, it's like, you know, I
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: won't I won't do that, like I won't, I won't delete.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Like if I'm gonna say something, I ain't gonna take
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: it back. I'm gonna take everything that comes with that,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, even if it's a conversation
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: to be had, Like Yo, I didn't mean it like that,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Like it's my intention, but I'm still going to stand
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: on what I said, you know what I mean. But
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: whatever I mean, I think it was it was commendable
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: that if he felt that he did something out of
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: the pocket and he was like, Yo, that's not me, y'all,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Like forgive me.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I respect that.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying like that it takes a
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: real man to do that. But I just feel like
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: he should have never engaged.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Was that your approach when you was going back and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: forth with all the West Coast rappords, Like when you
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was writing your bars, he was like, let me be
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: intentional about every word, because the things I say I'm gonna.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Stand well, not initially honestly, you know what I'm saying,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Because when I wrote Rulers Back, I honestly didn't think
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: that it was gonna get all of that. Like I thought, like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I thought that people Sometimes I look at
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: it as like I have so many peers in this thing,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: and everybody who's gonna hear it is going to have
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: the same perspective as my peers. And it's like it
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: was one of those moments where I had to realize that, like, Yo,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: this landed on the doorstep of a lot of people
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: who don't know you, you know what I'm saying.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Who don't know your character, don't know your personality.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: So I had to deal with that. But even still
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I stood on what I said.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, I ain't about to you know, just
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: jump on Twitter like yo, Like like nah, I said
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: what I said, and I know what my intention was
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: about it. But if you feel some type of way,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: you feel some type of way, you know what I'm saying,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: I can't do nothing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: About because perception can be louder than like your intentions.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: And again, being a public figure, this is one of
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: the things that you come to realize and why you
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: gotta be super intentional, you know what I mean. You
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: got to think about it all. And I think that's
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: the only misstep that I made was not really taking
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: the time and sitting with myself and really thinking the
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: type of effect that that was gonna have, like because
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: like I said, for me, it was playful, like I
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: was in the studio the night before and then we
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: recorded the videos soon as we came out the studio
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: and we put it up the next day. It was
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: no thought, you know what I'm saying. It was just like, yo,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: be in it. I feel good, Let's do some off
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: the wall shit. Let's just put it out.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: It's music, is.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: What's the word. It was like in the moment, you
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, And yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you one that you know what That moment
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: made me realize it's not a lot of new spits
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: from New York because the spin is from New York?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Who actually can spit that a new Some of them
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: jumped out there and you know, got busy with you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a couple like who was the one? It was one
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: in particular, it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Was it was just one. Yeah, he was.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: The only one. Meanwhile, when you got brought up, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: then it was like six dudes from the West coast.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Reason it was like.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: It was you know what, Like in addition to all
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: of the names that like are like, you know, more known,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: there was also like ten more like twenty more people
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: who we don't know, like every day, like I would
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: go online and just like Joey bad as this, I'm
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: like another one.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: But I'm like, man, I like that, I'm in the conversation.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: I'm niggas is paying attention like so, I mean not
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: for nothing that I like that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But do you feel like the New York rappers were
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: too complacent? Though? Don't you feel like more should have
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: rolled with you? Maybe they just didn't have the lyrical
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: ability to be.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: I don't yeah, I don't think that, Like I don't
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: feel a way about nobody they're jumping in because it's like, yo,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I'm a handle my business, you know what I'm saying.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: It's like if I'm on the street and I get
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: into a fight or somebody is jumping me and I
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: don't see nothing of my friends around, I'm not just
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: gonna think that a random person on this like, you
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, especially if perceived as I
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: provoke the fight, I'm gonna handle my stuff, you know
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I don't feel no way that nobody
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: ain't like jumping like, I'm gonna handle my stuff.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I saw Benny tweet out like I think is handling him.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I saw that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you could have rote a verse Benny.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: A ball or something, but you know what, to what
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: I would say to that point, I'm glad nobody else
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: jumped in because even though I was going back and forth,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: I have enough ties and allies over there where that
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: shit was never gonna go left field. It was never
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: gonna go out of pocket. And I feel like if
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: anybody else would have jumped in, it could have got
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: convoluted like that. Now we're talking about street shit and
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: all of that, you know what I'm saying. So I
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: was able to control it in the time of way
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: where it's like, that's not what's what this is about,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And I feel like any
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: other type of interference it could have took it, blew
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: it out of proportion.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Told niggas to rap. That wasn't just for the West Coast,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you know what I wanted to hear, everybody getting busy.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Or well, you know ship. You know, it's lonely at
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the top. Its interesting times. Who knows what unfold?
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Is it done though, Like do you think it's actually done?
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Because I felt like absolutely, yeah, are you sure? Because
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: it started in January, then we had like a gap,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: then it picked back up. So I feel like, now
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: you're about to drop this album.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Listen, shout to the homie Daylight, Shout to the homie
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: ray Von, Like, you know, not the homie, but somebody
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: who I have since spoken to.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: We had a conversation. We spoke about it, like yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: of course, it's like, yo, you did your stuff, like
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: mutual respect.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: That type of thing. So it's like, yeah, like it's done.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: It was never no real issue in the first place.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I said something. Some people felt the way they said
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: they stuff back to me, but nobody wanted to hurt me,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: you know, what I'm saying. It was never about no
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: bodily harm or nothing like that. So this is something
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: that we could, like I bet booms. You know, we
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: had our little friendly fade and like we're gonna we're
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: gonna keep.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: It pushing, you know, t Easter the real thing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I think it can be. Yeah, so you know, me
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: and Top has some conversations for Shure. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I think I think it can be a real thing,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: you know, if we wanted.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: To be interesting. Yeah, now you performing Jimmy Fallon right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Jimmy kim Jimmy Kimmel.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: You performed the disc on Jimmy Kimmel.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Like this is I love when people get their white
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: people confused.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I really don't problem.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I was just entertained to you do that, like on
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: a show like that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it, Yeah, I was, you know, I like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I like pushing the envelope and like, you know, doing
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: things outside of my comfort zone like that was one
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: of those moments me.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Also like the coral.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I love I love I love that aspect as well,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And like when it comes
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: to like award shows, and.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Like I'm a performer. You know what I'm saying.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: I want to put on the show every time, you
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. I'm never just gonna have like
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: a certain type of moment and not do something like
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: somewhat theatrical with it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: It adds a lot of value because I feel like
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: a lot of rappers are very on the mic.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, you know, you know, too cool and shit
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: like that, and I could be one of those rappers.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: But that was definitely one of those moments where I'm like, y'all,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: want to change myself to do something different, And we
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: did that all in like a day, you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: So I do want to ask one last thing about
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the back and forth with the raps. Why Kendrick? Why
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: did you want Kendrick in particular?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't want Kendrick in particular.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I think that the narrative became that because when I
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: said too much West Coast Dick click, and everybody is like.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, he hated on Kendrick. He talked about like Nigga,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not hating on Kendrick.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Like those I love those guys, you know what I'm
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: saying I've had I've had a long standing relationship with
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: these guys from the beginning of time. By the way,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: me and Ass so announcing today were about to go
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: on tour yea, yeah me, Ass and the rhaps City
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: is going on tour, you know what I'm saying.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So it's like the dark Over tour yup coming this fall.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, to a.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Lot of my confusion, I feel like people were trying
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: to build that narrative that like, Yo, Joey's hating on Kendrick,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: he's like hating on his success and he wants a battle.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I think for me, it's just more about I'm always
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: going to be a competitive rapper.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: All of these.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Guys know that because they're the same way too, you
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But it's like it's in the
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: spirit of like love and just like competitive.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Energies, like I don't I don't, I don't hate.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: It's not in my blood, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I don't hate on no man shit, you know what
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I mean. So I think people became made that the narrative,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: and all of the people who responded to me.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Adopted that narrative.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, you hated on did Like like when Ray
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Vaughan first responded like a.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Lot of his shit was like, oh to pop out
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: did this for niggas.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: I'm like, great, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: not mad at you know what your nigga was fucking
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: crip walking and not like.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Us all summer.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, to do that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm allowed to do what you mean.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: If I'm allowed to do it, it's crazy. Why not
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you're crypt I don't know.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I crip walk, bro.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: Like you.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: You don't got to be crypto crip I don't know.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: You ain't got to be crypto crip walk.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Fucking crip walk nigga, Like
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: the fuck I'm dumba hit my ship and do my dance, nigga.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody gonna do nothing about it? You know what
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. The fun but yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: So I was crip walking like a summer, Like I said,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, You're not getting no more juice.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Done. I want to ask you said you was that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: metro booming? Metro booming? I love metro Booman project, by
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the way, you know what I mean, because I like
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: how he pays homage to that era. Have you ever
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: thought of about doing something like that with like a
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Pete Rock our premier, because your flow is so nineteen
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: ninety now. I would love to hear you with that
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: level of production. Have you ever thought about that? I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: got select on the new Joint.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I've thought about that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Shout to meshow too, because I loved how nostalgically atl
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: that project sounded like.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I really did appreciate that.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I have those thoughts, and I
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: think that I have those pockets even on this project too,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But making something fully in
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: that vein, I could see that, I could see that
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: maybe we should have a conversation about that. You let
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: me know who you think should I could pull that off.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: It's easy have it Pete Rock ninth Wonder Premiere.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: But it's like you saying man names, like I need you.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: You want to do it? One in general, right?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: One in general would be good, especially right now in
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: the climate. Like Alchemist has done that a lot.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: I would love to do a project with Alchemists, Me
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: and Static we already got like a project of material
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: like just in the vault, you know what I mean.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: So that's that's easy, that's a no brainer. But I
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: would also really love to do a project with Alchemists.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Who would you lock in with, like a classic New
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: York producer if you had to pick.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Up, Oh shit me and have it. We've been talking
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: about working too. Pete Rock is my man, you know
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying since the beginning. Me and Pete Rock
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: first worked together in like twenty twelve. We still got
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: some shit on the hard drive from then.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: It sounds like we have a tape already.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Then.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, oh.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we could definitely make it happen. We
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: could definitely make it happen. That's something that I could do.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: I think the only reason I haven't done it because
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I felt like it was so low, low hanging fruit.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: That's probably why now it's like I can't get songs
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: like Underwater if.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I do that type shit.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I feel like, just because it's easy don't mean you
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: should do it. It's just easy to you, but it
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: ain't easy for other people to do. That's why you
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: should do it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: No, you're right, You're right, and it's like, yeah, I'm
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: leaving that, like you know, I'm leaving here.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: With some.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like substances undervalued in today's music industry?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I do think think that substance is undervalued. And yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: you know, I think that we live in a very
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: godless world, godless society is very vain. So it's like
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: I think the music is a reflection of that, and
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think Nina Simone said something
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: like that, like the music is always going to kind
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: of be a reflection or speak to the.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Times, and that just happened to be the times that
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: we year.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: So I think we do need to appreciate and lift
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: up the artists who are you know, going out their
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: way to make intentional and substantial music and messages because
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: it's important.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It's just like it just happens to be that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, people like sweets, and what I mean
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: by that is like, you know, metaphorically speaking like candy,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: and like you know, people like to get the buzz
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: quick and shit like that, and sometimes you know, the
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: more medicated stuff, if you will, it's not as you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: bright and colorful.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, m I feel like when you sacrifice the substance,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you sacrifice in your mental and emotional well being. So
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: what would you say to younger artists who feel like
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: they need to sacrifice their substance their mental health just
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to have success.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: What would I say to young artists who has to
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: come again.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Sacrifice this, sacrifice the substance for success, or sacrifice their
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: mental health.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I feel like for the young artists who are
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: not being substantial, I don't think they're necessarily sacrificing anything.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's just who they are, you know what
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: And I think that they are a reflection of what
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: their life cycle or their lifestyle looks like.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: So to the young people out there in general, you
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, I would say to like, you know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: really take your life seriously and like, you know, look
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: at the people who's around you, and really think about
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: what kind of information are you gaining, you know what
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, Because if you just hardest version in the room,
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: like you know, you're obviously in the wrong room.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: They say that all the time. But also I believe
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: in learning. I believe in.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: You see, we live in a society too, where the
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: information is there, but nobody has a thirst or hunger
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: passion for knowledge, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yo,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: right now I'm in the point of my life where
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: I'm telling everybody around me because now I've become so
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: into it, Like I'm telling everybody around me, like y'all
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: got to get into these stocks, bro get into the stocks,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: get into these crypto you know what I'm saying, Because
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: like I'm looking at it from perspective like I'm.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Already rich and successful, you know what I mean.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: So for me, it's easy to like throw fifty K
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: into the market and flip that and see what to
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: do for me.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: But it's the eighty like a COVID game on the tape.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: So it's easy for me to do that and see
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: the return, but it's really a matter of the percentages
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: right where it's like, Okay, you know you could throw
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I'm throwing an eighty K, but you could throw an
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: eight hundred and get a sixty percent return and like,
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: you know, put that up and reinvest that rentive repeat.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Because I'm like, yo, if I wasn't doing what I
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: was doing, I think I'd be a day trader right now.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And it's just like it's so and this is what
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Like there was a there was an interview clip with
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: me and Gilly with Me and Gilly that had went viral,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: and it's just like I said in there, like it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: so much money out here for all of us, and
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: I really do believe that. But what's keeping people from
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: that money is being too lazy to obtain the knowledge.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: And it's like, yo, why are we Like they didn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: teach us this in school, but the knowledge is still
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: out there. Like I've taught myself this shit over the
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: last six months by just being on YouTube videos. Yo,
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: how the options trade? How to you know what I'm saying,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: boom boom, like doing my research on these companies boom
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: booming now because I've had a portfolio, like you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: with Morgan Stanley for like ten plus years and it's
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: just like I've always just put money in there, and
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: they gave me my toe for saying stan the return
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: on the year league.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: But now I'm doing my own.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Plays and now my shit's going crazy because I'm paying attention.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: So what I'm seeing now was like damn, like this
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: was this was just a matter of me not knowing,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like that's the only thing
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: that was keeping me from this bag right here, was
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: just that I didn't know. So I'm like screaming off
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: the mountaintop right now at this point in my life
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: to all my people, like, YO, get into these stocks,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, before they find a way
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: to fucking lock us out because it's.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: So much money in it and it's so accessible nowadays, Like, Yo,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: get robbin Hood. You don't got robin Hoodie fronk, get
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: robbin Hood. You know what I'm saying. Go down to
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Deep Dive.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Go on bar Chart, go on Bloomberg, nw CNBC. See
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: what's going on.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Tapping Wall Street, Will.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Street, trapping on your leisure Chris Sane Stock brother.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know what I mean.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: These are pages that I follow. You know what I'm saying, people,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: brothers who have educated me. Shout out to Shout out
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: to Troit, Shout the nineteen Keys.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: But like it's just serious, Like my young people out there,
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: like this shit is serious, and it's like the sooner
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: you get in, the more, like thankful, you're gonna be
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, I remember when
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: bitcoin was at eight thousand, and I was like, that's
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: a lot for a stock, But I should have bought
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: five of those right now? Was that one hundred and
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: fifteen thousand today? And it's going to two hundred and
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: after you go to two hundred, it's going to a million.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: So even right now, you should get here, you know
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, you should get in.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got CEOs right now?
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: Who's saying that they put in ten thousand every day
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: if they could, if they could sell their company, they
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: sell all they shears and put it in bitcoin. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: can't tell y'all who said that, but it's a real
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: notable billionaire, you know what I'm saying.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: So it's like, yo, we gotta get into it. Man.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Like when they want to hide shit from us, it's
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: like they just kind of make it intricate to obtain.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We gotta get it, we
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: gotta find it.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's out there giving you this game. Because he don't
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: want to be lonely no more. Yeah, I don't. I don't.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be lonely. I don't.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: And by the way, you know, I want to talk
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: about that a little bit too, So Lonely at the
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Top is also homage to one of my favorite Gang
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Star songs, which is Moment of Truth, and like you know,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I kind of do a vocal interpolation of it on
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: my self titled track Lonely at the Top on the album,
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: and it's just like those that's always been one of
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: the songs to me that has resonated deep in my
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: hip hop heart, like recipes the Guru and you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: just what that means to me is like when you
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: get to the pinnacle of your success in your life,
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: you will find that it is lonely. You will find
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: that a lot of the people that you try to
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: bring with you on that journey are like no longer
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: kind of standing around you. Like sometimes like I feel like,
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: you know, connecting it to survivor's guilt, or connecting it
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: to like, you know, the deep self reflection that you have,
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: or even the isolation that might be necessary for you
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: to get to a certain type of point because certain.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: People or energy will hold you back.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying from you being at the
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: top your game, you being your best self, you know
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So that's what the title means.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: It means for me because I want to I just
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: wanted to address that because I have seen people be like.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: At the top of what, Like, what are you at
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the top of? You know what I'm saying.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Successful, It's crazy. It's like, bro, like you should see
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: my house, you know what. You wouldn't know what I'm
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: on top of, you know what I mean, Like you
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: can't live in my neighborhood, you know what I mean.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: So, but yeah, just.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Why dark Oregon? So everything I'm hearing you speak speaks
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to light, it speaks to bright Oh yeah, leaning into
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: the shadow.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: It's a balance, you know, it's a balance.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: And I'm actually glad you brought that up because this project,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I feel like, is a balanced project.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Like it all exists all at once.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'm gonna talk with light, but then
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: you're gonna see the Joey and the sneaker store throwing
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: them up acutz because it's like, you know, sometimes it's cold,
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: you gotta defend yourself, well, you gotta, you gotta stand
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: up for yourself if you will, and sometimes that's gonna
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: take you to a dark player. It's all necessary, It's
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: all part of the journey.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: You can't just be like, how would you even know
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: what light is if you ain't know what dark was?
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Joey Badass Lonely at the top drops August
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: twenty ninth. Goodness see my brother man, Keep growing, man,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: keep evolving, King.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Absol, thank you for having me today.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: It's the breakfast club. Hold up every day. I waiting
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: pack your ass up the Breakfast Club. Y'all finish or
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: y'all done.