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Twins swept by Dodgers; plus, what should be done with this team? · Twin Cities Territory

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  Speaker 1: Twins were that close, but no cigar against the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 1: losing all three games this week. A sweep at Target
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  Speaker 1: Field a four to three loss on Wednesday finished the
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  Speaker 1: job for Los Angeles. We'll talk about that. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about what the GM and front office should do with
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  Speaker 1: this team going forward. We'll talk about Marco Roy's arrival
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  Speaker 1: for the Twins, bullpen, and Luke Keishol to get reps
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  Speaker 1: in the outfield, as well as a weekend series preview
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  Speaker 1: of the MLB worst Colorado Rockies coming to town. This
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  Speaker 1: is Twin City's Territory. You're Minnesota Twins podcast here on
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network. I am Zach Pearce of the Athletic,
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by Dan Hayes, the Athletics, Minnesota Twins
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  Speaker 1: beat writer, and Tyler Duffy, longtime Major leaguer and former
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins Guys. Only one game since we talked to
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  Speaker 1: you last on Wednesday. The Twins were off On Thursday show,
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  Speaker 1: Hey Otani outdueling Joe Ryan as the Dodgers win four
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  Speaker 1: to three to finish off the sweep. Sweep is not good,
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  Speaker 1: but the Dodgers are very good. So the fact that
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  Speaker 1: two of the three games were competitive. I'm looking for
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  Speaker 1: silver linings here. The one that wasn't competitives. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: one that wasn't we thought they were right, And the
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  Speaker 1: one that wasn't competitive, we probably could have seen it coming.
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  Speaker 1: It was a It was a bullpen game with including
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  Speaker 1: Austin Violth's debut that that didn't go so well, and
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  Speaker 1: then Taylor Rodgers in the ninth was sort of just
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  Speaker 1: in there to finish off the game regardless. So it
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  Speaker 1: was a blowout on paper, but probably uh, never great
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  Speaker 1: odds with the Twins in that one. They slide back
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  Speaker 1: to six games under five hundred DAN three to eight
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  Speaker 1: and forty four. Opportunity to sort of to kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get right back in at this weekend if
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  Speaker 1: they can take advantage of of of Colorado being in town.
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  Speaker 1: But overall, what were your takeaways from the three games
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  Speaker 1: at target Field.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you said silver linings because my lead
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  Speaker 2: to my story after the third game was there's no
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  Speaker 2: silver linings, only difficult to absorb losses. And I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that's kind of what you have to take away from.
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  Speaker 2: The Twins played really well Monday, They played really well
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday, they were in both games. In both they
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  Speaker 2: came back from early deficits. And actually they came back
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  Speaker 2: from early deficits in all three games, because even on
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  Speaker 2: the Tuesday game they were trailing early and Carotene hit
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  Speaker 2: the home run and to tie the game. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: they came back from deficits all three days. They played
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  Speaker 2: pretty good defense, and the Dodgers were better. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the harsh reality is. You know, you played one of
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  Speaker 2: your better series of the year and two of those
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  Speaker 2: three games and you just weren't as good as the
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  Speaker 2: other team. And Mookie Betts had some spectacular defense at
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  Speaker 2: shortstop all series, in particularly he in particular, he took
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  Speaker 2: two hits away in the finale, including what would have
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  Speaker 2: been a two run single for Ryan Kreidler, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a big difference. And I talked to
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Bonda afterwards, and you know, Bond of pitch for
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers for the last two years. He got his
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  Speaker 2: World Series ringing from them on Monday, and he said,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't take away from the good we did it, doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we played well. You saw a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good signs. There's a lot of things to be positive about.
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  Speaker 2: But in the end, it's three losses and it's a
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  Speaker 2: good reminder of where we want to go and what
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  Speaker 2: we want to do there are I think this team
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  Speaker 2: will come out of this knowing that they played well
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  Speaker 2: enough right there to be in those games and that
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  Speaker 2: you know, if that ball gets through with the Chridler hit,
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  Speaker 2: they they take the lead and maybe they can hold it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they saw their back end relievers all
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  Speaker 2: come in in spots and keep them in the games.
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  Speaker 2: And it's crazy. Joe Ryan had a four hit, three
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  Speaker 2: run inning where there were a few bleeders on him,
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  Speaker 2: and but Joe Ryan doesn't typically surrender three run leads
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  Speaker 2: as quickly as he.
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  Speaker 3: Did that day.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the takeaway is they can they can
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  Speaker 2: look at it and go all right, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of good stuff here. But again the reality is there's
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  Speaker 2: three losses, so got to clean it up and get
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  Speaker 2: better for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yet three innings of scoreless relief from the bullpen in
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  Speaker 1: both of the one run losses Monday and Wednesday, So obviously,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the standings are the standings, Tyler.
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  Speaker 1: But I have to imagine for a clubhouse that you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it's got to be a little brutal to be
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  Speaker 1: so absolute about things when you're inside the room. I
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  Speaker 1: do think there are things that they can take away
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  Speaker 1: from the series that feel more positive than not.
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  Speaker 4: Oh for sure. I mean you were in those games
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  Speaker 4: for two of them.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway. You know, a lot of guys did their jobs.
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  Speaker 4: I you know, we brought up Mooki, he was kind
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  Speaker 4: of on the hitting side, was a non factor for
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  Speaker 4: the first couple of games, which I think that's a
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  Speaker 4: big set, Like we kept one of their guys at Bay.
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  Speaker 3: You know, show hate did his thing.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, it's just they're the best team in baseball,
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  Speaker 4: you know, record wise, I'm not exactly sure, but payroll wise,
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  Speaker 4: you know, MVP wise, whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 4: Like there, they are the gold standard right now. And
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  Speaker 4: to be able to hang with them, I think is
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  Speaker 4: something I think Shelty probably reinforced to those guys. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I doubt they had a meeting or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's like you leave that series like, yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: got blown out in the middle, but hey, it's like
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  Speaker 4: we were with that team all week.
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  Speaker 3: Our guys did their jobs. We needed to. We scored
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  Speaker 3: enough runs to win games.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously the first I think it was two to one
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  Speaker 4: or three to one was the final. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: other than that, like you showed up, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: you did a job, and the other one I thought
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  Speaker 4: of even listening to some tough yesterday again, the fans
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  Speaker 4: packed that place for that last game, which tells me,
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  Speaker 4: you know, yes, they were doing things to get people
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  Speaker 4: in there. They just want something to show up for,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And and to our point, we talked so
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  Speaker 4: much about the trade deadline and things like that, like
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  Speaker 4: some little in firing, something happened, like you never know,
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  Speaker 4: the fans might decide to show up, you know, pack
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  Speaker 4: that place. Granted it's not gonna be a sellout every night,
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  Speaker 4: but more than they have been. You know, that place
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  Speaker 4: was jumping, and several people, you know, I feel like
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  Speaker 4: I heard a few people mentioning the fact that there's
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  Speaker 4: just energy in that stadium, and you know, obviously it's
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  Speaker 4: show hey, But to that point, the fans showed up
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  Speaker 4: and they were there to support the guys. You know,
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  Speaker 4: whether it was fully for them or not, they were
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  Speaker 4: in the building anyway, and so I think that was
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  Speaker 4: something to take as a silver lining, if you will
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  Speaker 4: for the whole series, Like, yeah, we lost, but we
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  Speaker 4: also packed that stadium for one of those games.
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  Speaker 1: Some season ticket holders were definitely taking advantage of the
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  Speaker 1: of the new generous offer aid in.
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  Speaker 2: There were one hundred five thousand people out there for
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  Speaker 2: the three games, first sell out of the season on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: The Tuesday crowd was announced at thirty. It was probably
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  Speaker 2: a little sparse because there was so much rain. Just
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  Speaker 2: another ugly day. And but I mean they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be out there this week against Colorado two. There's a
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  Speaker 2: ludicrous concert tonight Firon Bucks and Bobblehead on Sad.
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  Speaker 3: You haven't heard yet, So Ludacris is coming, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, breaking Ludacris be at the game tonight now. So
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  Speaker 2: you know there's a there's a lot of energy in
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  Speaker 2: the building, without question, and guys feed off that for sure,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you consider what it was like for seventeen
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  Speaker 2: April home games when that was nice and quiet and cold.
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  Speaker 1: The Twins were obviously tearing it up offensively on the
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  Speaker 1: road trip Texas and Arizona fifty runs in the six
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  Speaker 1: games that came to a screeching halt. This week, we
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  Speaker 1: put that stat on the on the screen last week
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  Speaker 1: about basically everybody hit over five hundred in Texas and Arizona. Right,
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  Speaker 1: the stats from these three games not nearly as good.
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  Speaker 1: Tristan Gray two hits and four at bats. That was
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  Speaker 1: the best best batting average for the Twins. Austin Martin
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  Speaker 1: had three hits in seven at bats. Everybody else was
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  Speaker 1: two fifty or worse in the three games. Obviously small
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  Speaker 1: sample size, and obviously Dan that's what happens when you're
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  Speaker 1: facing a team with two of the best starters in
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  Speaker 1: the league and a great bullpen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. They faced some good pitching
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  Speaker 2: in Texas. They really did. Mackenzie Gore had another good start,
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  Speaker 2: I believe yesterday. Like there, Kumara Rocker was in there
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  Speaker 2: and he was on a roll. So, I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what goes into it. But also you
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  Speaker 2: can't keep up scoring fifty runs over six games. That
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  Speaker 2: pace is a little absurd. But yeah, the Dodgers did
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  Speaker 2: a great job. I mean, sho Tani, they were one
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  Speaker 2: run If Brither's hit goes through, that's a season high
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  Speaker 2: five earned runs for show Hey Show Hayes worst start
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  Speaker 2: so far been four and runs didn't look like he
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  Speaker 2: and Dalton Rushing were quite on the same page.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fun to watch, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have a view of that, and
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  Speaker 2: I because I'm not watching the game. I just heard
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  Speaker 2: after one of his bats. I you can hear the
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  Speaker 2: bat rack when when somebody gets upset and flings their
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  Speaker 2: bat in there. And I heard the bat rack one
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  Speaker 2: time with Dalton Russian on on that particular day. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they they ran into a juggernaut. The Dodgers
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  Speaker 2: are are pretty good, and you know, I mean, look
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  Speaker 2: I like on their end on the pitching side, I
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  Speaker 2: thought the Twins, I mean, Tuesday was just sort of
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  Speaker 2: a white flag. Joe Ryan's sick and has to get
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  Speaker 2: it moved back, and you bring up a guy who
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  Speaker 2: you really don't know, like you just signed him a
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  Speaker 2: week ago, Austin Both There's gonna still be until until
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  Speaker 2: they acquire guys. This this cycle will continue for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the season without question, where we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: nameless guys come in and pitch six innings because it's
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  Speaker 2: just how it works. You you grab people off the wire.
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  Speaker 2: Justin Lawrence got picked up claimed by Washington, whose bullpen
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  Speaker 2: is in war shaped than the Twins, and I believe
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  Speaker 2: the Twins is like twenty ninth or thirtieth and in baseball,
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  Speaker 2: So like that just gives you an idea like how
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  Speaker 2: hard up for pitching teams are, and so we'll see
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  Speaker 2: more of these games. But anyways, Zebi looked good on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Zebbi made the one mistake really to to
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  Speaker 2: Freddy Freeman the cutter that didn't cut. And then Joe
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  Speaker 2: Ryan really rebounded himself because he gave up the four
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  Speaker 2: and that was after three and An's that looked like
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  Speaker 2: he was on the way out and he salvaged it
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  Speaker 2: and came back with six innings, struck out nine. He
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  Speaker 2: had a good game. So yeah, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's a tough series to make heads or tails of
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  Speaker 2: because like you're still just lost. But there's if you're
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  Speaker 2: if you're looking for encouraging signs, if you are looking
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  Speaker 2: for silver linings, there were plenty of them, without question.
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  Speaker 1: Twins still right there. Game and a half out in
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  Speaker 1: the Wildcard, four and a half out in the Central
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  Speaker 1: behind Cleveland and Chicago were in a virtual tie.
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  Speaker 2: At they only lost to half a game in the
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  Speaker 2: Wildcare Race, even though they got swept. That's just how
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  Speaker 2: bad this American League is right now.
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  Speaker 1: So after a confusing series, not confusing, but just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of depending on how you look at humbling,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe not humbling. We were talking right before we started,
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  Speaker 1: before we record, like what do you do with this
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  Speaker 1: team at the trade deadline? So we decided to make
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  Speaker 1: a segment out of it. We're going to put our
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  Speaker 1: GM hats on, like we talked about buston a lot
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  Speaker 1: on the last show after Jeremy's old came out and
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  Speaker 1: flat out said no plans to trade him. Obviously, Buxton
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  Speaker 1: has quite a bit of say in that as well.
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  Speaker 1: The Athletic just published a top fifty Big Board trade
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  Speaker 1: targets list on our site. You can go check that
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  Speaker 1: out at the Athletic dot com. Twins have four of
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  Speaker 1: the top fifty, including two of the top three in
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  Speaker 1: Buxton and Joe Ryan. Ryan Jeffers is in there at
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  Speaker 1: number fourteen and Trevor Larnick at thirty seven. So the
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  Speaker 1: dilemma here, obviously, the team is thirty eight and forty four.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think a trade or to add to this
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  Speaker 1: team is going to all of a sudden make them
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  Speaker 1: a World Series contender. However, they're also still in the
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  Speaker 1: playoff race. You have a fan base that is teetering
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  Speaker 1: on mutiny if you get rid of any more star players.
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  Speaker 1: But also three of your star players are worth a
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  Speaker 1: huge haul right now, clearly high interest at the deadline,
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  Speaker 1: and you could potentially set your team up very well
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  Speaker 1: for the future. But fans don't want to hear that
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  Speaker 1: right now, probably especially when it comes to Byron Buckston
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  Speaker 1: and Joe Ryan. So let's start with Tyler. What do
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  Speaker 1: you do Tyler with this team as the deadline is
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  Speaker 1: now just over a month away?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess objectively, you know, it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: know clubhouse and all that stuff, you know, and especially
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  Speaker 4: again it's been.
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  Speaker 3: There while, But at the moment, the only one.
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  Speaker 4: That feels safe, I guess would be the right word
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  Speaker 4: is the Jeffers move, only because you know, he went out,
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  Speaker 4: had to have himmate hamate surgery. And you know the
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  Speaker 4: two guys. You know you signed carottenis basically to be
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  Speaker 4: the backup. Well, he's done his job, and Jackson has
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  Speaker 4: slid in perfectly behind him.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I think the other maybe it was last week they
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  Speaker 4: were combined like three oh eight or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: like they're hitting well, you know, producing Kroteen. He's been
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  Speaker 4: great on the challenges. Like I'm not saying he's expendable,
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  Speaker 4: but of all the guys that you could potentially get
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  Speaker 4: rid of without causing the mutiny, it might be Jeffers.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's a free agent.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna leave anyways, if I'm not mistaken. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's he's not gonna sign back to Minnesota. He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: get a lot of money. You know, they're not going
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  Speaker 4: to give him a big boy deal like I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: he wants. So he's the only one that feels safe
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  Speaker 4: ish to make a move with that wouldn't just completely
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  Speaker 4: burn down the building.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, one let's uh, if I'm the GM, We're
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  Speaker 2: not having this conversation for a month. I'm giving my
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  Speaker 2: team a month. So this is we're gonna do it too.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of it for sure. That's part of it, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who knows where it will be in a month today
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  Speaker 1: as of today.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you think about it like it's like stocks
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  Speaker 2: and they're going up and down, and you want to
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  Speaker 2: know what direction you were trending when you make that decision.
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  Speaker 2: And there is still so much time on this board
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: before you have to get to that point and making
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: decision somewhere around thirty seven days thirty eight days right
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: now until the August third trade deadline. Last year, trade
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: deadline was August or it was July thirtieth. The Twins
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: gave the club till July twenty seventh, and they had
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: had just like the worst possible series out of the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: All Star Break in Colorado, where Chris Paddock gave up
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: four in the first four batters of the game. It
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: was four nothing four batters into the game. To do
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that should have been like the white flag sign right there, right,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and then they lost two of three to the Dodgers
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: right after that, But then they won a series and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it was like, oh, maybe hang in Like so, look,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the realistic timeline for this decision being made is July thirtieth, really,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: because that gives them about three days at that point.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna make my prediction right now as
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to what they do on August third, and because I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: think this team, I don't think anybody separates themselves in
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the American League, and I think this team can hang.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Even with the disappointing news that Mickabel had it was
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: about to have arthroscopic surgery on his right elbow, something
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: we learned the other day. Basically, he will undergo the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: knife on to to be determined, and how long he's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: out we'll see. I don't know if they'll be lucky
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and get the schoobol scope as everybody calls it. Yeah,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: but Micabel is looking like he's out for a while,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and that sounds like a very rare combination of not
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of damage to schoobls, not a lot of
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: loose bodies, and schoobol's elbow when they went in. It's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the only thing that kind of you find out when
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: when they go into mcabel's elbow. Anyways, I think if
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I was putting on my a GM hat right now,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: at worst, they will mostly stand pat And I know
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: how how you're right, Zach. There's some exceptionally good talent
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: on the board and the Athletic did not listen to me.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: By the way, Byron Buxton should have been number twelve
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: hundred because there's twelve hundred players in the league rosters.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: They didn't listen to me. They put them number two, and.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: It's like the list is most desirable.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, of course who was one? Do you remember
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: was the schoobal one ahead?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Oh? Who was it was that? I didn't like.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It's Schoobale yep.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, you know, at worse, I think they
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: will like if I was making my prediction right now,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: they'll stand pat and h you know, if they're really
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: in it. And when I say really in it, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: mean if they're one and a half out in the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: wild card. It wouldn't shock me to see them add
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: because I just think Tom Poullad is really motivated to
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: prove to Byron Buxton that Byron Buxton should want to
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: be here. I think that he wants to prove to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: fans that they should want to be here. I think
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: he wants to prove to the guys in the clubhouse
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: they should want to be here and be buying in
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And it's what he has told them since before twins Fest.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It's what he said to them on the first day
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of spring training. It's what he has told them throughout
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the season in private conversations with guys. I believe that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: they are partly buying in because I think they think
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they have ownership support. I know how deflating it was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: for the Clubhouse in twenty twenty four when they only
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: added Trevor Richards and like, didn't you know they're they
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: were in a winning position having cut payroll by thirty
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: million dollars and they didn't add anything, And Tom poul
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Ed said that was a misstep after cutting the payroll
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: was a misstep. So I think if they're in a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: spot like this in a month, we'll see them try
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to add, which is crazy to me to say that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And I don't, you know, but they have some they
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: have some guys. They have enough in the miners to
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: go and get stuff, So I don't know, it's gonna
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: be very strange if they buy to me. But also like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: let's see if they're there in a month, because who knows,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the bottom could just drop out. But Bailey over is
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: throwing a bullpen. I believe today and his next steps
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: will be determined if he comes in feeling tomorrow and
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: feeling good tomorrow, so you might get him back somewhere
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: around after the All Star break. You know, you're hoping
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: for that, and you're hoping guys keep going in the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: direction they are in this offense can carry them.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: The Jeffers thing makes a lot of sense now that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you say it, Tyler, Like, if you're gonna lose him anyway, yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of sense. Just keep around, Joe.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Ryan may come down to whether the bottom falls out.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: As you say, that's gonna be the tough one. Yeah,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: that'll be that'll be the thirtieth move. Yeah for sure.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe, hey, maybe with Jeffers. You know, you know the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: team that wants him the worst is the Yankees. They're
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: reporters like, are sending up Ryan Jeffers, Like there's just
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: like this bat signal above Gotham in the sky right
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: now with Ryan Jeffers face on it. But you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: everybody expects them to make a trade for a prospect.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Who knows. Maybe the Twins ask for something for major
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: league help coming back in that deal.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Which could always which is just like one for one, yeah, yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: an extra arm whoever it is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And for the record, on the athletics list Byron Buxton
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: has a little red circle next to the deal.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Joe Ryan has Joe Ryan. Yeah, I think Joe Ryan
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't think he'd be traded right now. I don't think
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that Joe Ryan expects to be traded, even though it's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: one plus and he is at the optimal time right now,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and that does look I understand why there's a little
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: green Mark Derrett signaling that it could happen, but like
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: one plus is where you trade a guy with, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: because you're not just giving a team a rental for
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the rest of the season. You're getting for a year
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and a half. But I, you know, I just don't
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: think the Twins are there as an organization. I maybe
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the front office is there, but I think ownership is.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Dan Freeze.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, it was time to Dan Froze
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: for just a second. But it looks like he was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: wrapping up and we have to take a break. Anyway,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We'll talk about Marco Ria. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: think I said Roya at the beginning of the show.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I apologize to Marco for that. We'll talk about Luke,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Keishael and the Rockies right after this.
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• 25:02
  Speaker 1: With the ever revolving door in the Twins pitching staff
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: due to injuries and other issues. Another move was made
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: this week. We mentioned Mickabeles' latest set back with the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: arthroscopic surgery coming up. The Twins have added Marco Riah
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to the bullpen, and Dan wrote a story on The
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Athletic about who he is and what he brings to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the bullpen. Dan, why don't you tell us a little
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bit more?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fourth rounder for twenty twenty from that draft,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and he was a starter until last year at the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: trade deadline. But this is a guy the Twins have
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: been talking about as possible reliever.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I just looked up.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: The last time they mentioned him was November sixth, or
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the first time they mentioned him as a bullpen possibility
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: for this year was November sixth of last year at
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the GM meetings in Las Vegas. So he's been on
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the radar as this move has been on the radar
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: for like nine months now or eight months whatever it is.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: He might have the best stuff of the potentially it's
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it's there. But he's always been a guy that struggled
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: with walks for his career, mostly as a starter. He
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: was issuing four walks per nine through last year. He
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: really kind of plateaued. Once he got to the upper levels.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: He was able to succeed even though he was walking
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: guys in the lower levels, but he really ran into
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: some issues at Triple A. They decided to put him
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in the bullpen last year, even this year in spring,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: walking too many guys. First month of the season, walking
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: too many guys, and finally they said, all right, look,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: we gotta fix this. He was throwing six pitches and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: trying to maintain six pitches because he's a starter. That's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the it is. So they said, look, your fastball plays up.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It's ninety seven probably with the crowd, it could be
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: ninety eight ninety nine at target field, and your curve
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and your sweeper are electric and they get a lost
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: swing and miss. So let's focus on the and the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: other thing you can do is occasionally with lefties bringing
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: your change up. But when they said focus on three
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: pitches and he stopped throwing his cutter, he said everything
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: went in the right direction. At Triple A, first fifteen
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and the third innings eleven walks, nine eighty eight ear
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: A or nine to ninety eight ear A. Since he
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: made the switch twenty three and two thirds innings, one walk,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: twenty four strikeouts, two sixty six e RA much better
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and still susceptible to the long ball. But uh, Saint Paul,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the ball flies there. See some cheapy home runs there,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: So I want to see what he can do here.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But there's some internal belief that, you know, Andrew Morris
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: has been really good, this guy might have better stuff.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And we've seen you Anders go met step up. So look,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the Twins need more depth, they need guys who can
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: fill in and give them some spots. He will come
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: in a long man role. There's no question. That's just
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: how you get broken in in the bullpen, especially he's
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: still never pitched it back to back day, but we've
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: seen with Andrew Morris how that works. You give him
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a little rope and then you figure out how to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: do it and you know, but so what was that reaction, teller?
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Uh, it's we we baseball as a whole. It's just
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: unfortunately kind of setting guys up to fail when they
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: go to the big leagues in that regard, Like, you
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: got this kid, he's gonna come up, probably start as
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: a long guy.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Great, he's never gone back to back in any environment,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: and then you're gonna do it for the first time
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: in the big leagues and it's like you're gonna show
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: up the next day, you're.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Sore, you're worried about whatever, you don't.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Know who you're facing, how to get prepared, and then
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: you got to go pitch. And it's like it's not
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: even that it's like this life changing experience. It's more
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: that it's it's a physical thing that you just have
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: to go through at least once before you try it
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: again in the big leagues.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: And you know, unfortunately for him, he didn't.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: But you know, hopefully they can manage Latroy's out there,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: you know, Roger, the guys who've had to learn, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: know there we forget too how many guys were starters
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: before they go to the pen.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: You had to adapt at some point.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's just not the best place to learn
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: on the fly how to pitch two to three days
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: in a row.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: He I will say, there was they I asked their
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: development guy and they did have him throw like maybe
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a bullpen on one where he's done two times in
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: three days. I agree with you, it is strange. But
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: if it was a normal year where they had a
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: bunch of guys set in a bullpen, I think you
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: could experiment with that. One thing. One factor is here.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You know, you go, there's two reasons why it's been
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: every three days. One, they wanted to throw longer because
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: they figure he's going to come in in a spot
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: where he needs to give to two three inning possibly
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: what she can do because he was a starter. The
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: other part is is that all right? So say you
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: throw them Monday and he's not gonna throw again until Thursday. Well,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you want to keep him available on Tuesday and Wednesday
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: in case there's a major league injury and you need
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to rush him up there, and you don't want to
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: tax him in the minors. So like, it's such an
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: intricate I agree with you. I wondered the same thing.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Like I even asked. Jeremy's all, I'm like, look, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: don't I don't do development, and this is your guys
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: job this, But I'm like, why why is this? And
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: it was explained it was like, well, we got to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: balance a whole bunch of stuff, and so it's it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: it's tricky, it's delicate, and he'll have to do it
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: in the majors. But you know that's why they ease
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: him in and say we're gonna have you be a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: long man first and show us what you can do
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: as a long man and then get trusted.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Other news of note from the last couple of days.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Dan looks like Luke Keishael, who's had some notable struggles
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in the field, that second base is going to get
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: some looks elsewhere.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll get some outfield time. We saw him briefly
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in the outfield, I believe in Arizona, and we could
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: see him out there more. And I can tell you
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: what Luke Keishall will say about this. I'm a ballplayer.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Wherever you ask me to play, I'm gonna play right now.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Got it?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Because I asked him about I'm literally quoting Luke Keishall
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: because we asked him about first base and he said,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a ballplayer. Wherever they put me in the lineup,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that's where I'll play. And I won't complain. That's so
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I will say. If they ask him about playing the outfield,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Luke Keishall's gonna say, I'm a ballplayer and I'll play
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: where they everyone want me to play. Probably a little
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: disappointing because he has worked his tail off at second
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: base and isn't getting the results right now. We saw
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the Tuesday game there were just a couple of plays.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It was like that game changes. There was the in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: between her flip between Royce Lewis and Austin both where
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it was like a field goal versus right down the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: middle of the goalposts versus to the bag. And then
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: there was the liner in the first time Tommy Edmund
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: hit that ball that at least needed to get knocked
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: down and went through for a single. And so I mean, look,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you can understand it. I think maybe Royce Lewis could
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: play some second, maybe Cody Clemens will play second. They're
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: they're flexible with all their guys, and so they're just
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: gonna do that with Lukeishel too.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: As Tyler said, don't blame him if he makes a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: mistake in the outfield, right.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Tyler, Yeah, it's not his fault. They're telling him to
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: play there. He's a good dude, best he can. But
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: you can't jump down his throat if he misplays a
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: knuckling line drive at him.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: For the first time.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: As somebody trying to get reacclimated to right center field
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and softball, it is, it's a different beast out there
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: for sure. All flies, oh don't you hate ball carries
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: at this field. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: How's the lighting at night? How's great lighting?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Lighting?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That's Lighting's not the problem. It's just like you see
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the ball in the air, like there's no way that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: going over my head and the next thing you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you're sprinting efforts.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know which ones I hated.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I hated the line drives that were about fifteen feet
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: off the ground, like the steamrollers that are just coming
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: at you and there's no way, Like, I don't know
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: how firebucks and does that.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I still it's I've been out there.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: It's shagging VP with him before, and like one will
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: come in like that and like I'll whip it and
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: he's just like covering his face like this, and like
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: what do you do with that? He's like I don't know.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: You just you just have to swat at it and
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: hope it goes in the club like it's a It
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: gets you think shagging VP is not dangerous until you
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: know guys start hitting it one ten at you and
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: then yeah, like okay, yeah, I'll get.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Out of the way.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Goodness. Fortunately, in softball, no one cares too much if
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you are trying your hardest, So those those to me
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: are just playing stand back and play him on a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: hop or two and don't worry about it. Don't be
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a hero. Up next, we go from the best team
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in baseball to the worst. Coming into Target Field, the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Colorado Rockies visit for three Dan. Obviously, a series like this,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the Twins, if they want to sway some minds ahead
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of the trade deadline, have got to capitalize on the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: fact that a team with bigger struggles than them is
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: coming to town. Sweeps are somewhat hard to come by,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: but winning two out of three for sure has to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: be the goal. After what just happened with the Dodgers
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this week.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It does, and I don't think that they are going
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: to come in with that bat of a taste in
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: their mouth from the Dodgers series, especially given the way
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: they played out in that last game knowing they were
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: right there. Plus they had a very nice off day yesterday.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've just seen how quick guys got out
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of there knowing there was a chance to get away
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: home with good weather on the board and just a
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: chance to have thirty six hours away from the park
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was. So Rockies are there. They are
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: a team that you try to carve up on. We'll see,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I imagine they'll come in and ready
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: to go, and uh, you know they know, they they're
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: very aware because they go to Houston and New York
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: following this on the road trip and then come home
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: for Cleveland and Anaheim into the All Star breaks.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So this is go time, Los Angeles, Los Angeles.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: A sorry, Arty, I'm sorry, Arty Moreno for that mistake,
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: the the defoul, the Twin Cities territory, whatever the hell
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: that is regrets its mistake.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Uh well, we shall see Taj Bradley versus Toma Yuki
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Sugano tonight Friday Night. Saturday Night is Mike Parades against
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Michael Lorenzen Sunday afternoon Connor pre Lip and Ryan Feltner
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in an afternoon game. I said that, and then yes,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in Houston and New York next week. We'll be back
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: with you on Monday after this Colorado series to set
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: up the Houston series and talk about whatever happened over
• 36:08
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• 36:10
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• 36:17
  Speaker 1: for you right there. We will catch you next time
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: on Twin Cities Territory. Thanks everybody, Bye bye,