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Anti-Cat Bias | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: about cats and dogs. And we set it up because
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  Speaker 1: Anne is a dog person, two dogs. Amy is a
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  Speaker 1: cat person, two cats. I am a dog person, two dogs.
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  Speaker 1: you weren't there dogs or cats and I can't hear you.
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  Speaker 1: I was Cona's fault. No dogs or cats. I love
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  Speaker 1: them both, but my last pets were cats until they died.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and you don't even keep them. That is a
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  Speaker 1: great pet. A dead cat. They're in a box I've
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  Speaker 1: got on a shelf. Oh that's great. Stuffed but ashes,
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay. I've always thought of stuffed dogs the way
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  Speaker 1: you want to keep in memory of dogs. So let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you what's going on with this, and that
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  Speaker 1: is hotels that are pet friendly, but pet friendly really
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  Speaker 1: means pro dog, anti cat. There's a story in the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post about this rescue cat, Leipchin from the Netherlands,
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  Speaker 1: who travels on an EU pet passport. You actually get
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  Speaker 1: a passport for your pets in the European Union. And
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  Speaker 1: so the owner want to try to check in the
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  Speaker 1: Max Brown hotel in Amsterdam, and the property refuse to
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  Speaker 1: honor the reservation because Leibchin is a cat, not a dog.
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  Speaker 1: Hotels will stay will say they're pet friendly, but they
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  Speaker 1: really mean dogs. According to the Guelderman's who adopted Leib's
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  Speaker 1: Leipchin in Colorado. So we'll up with our cat and
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  Speaker 1: they say, oh, sorry, cats aren't allowed. So travelers who
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  Speaker 1: vacation with their cats, and I don't know who they
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  Speaker 1: hell would ever do that? Amy, was you ever travel
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  Speaker 1: with your cats? I actually have before. Great, how'd that
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  Speaker 1: work out?
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  Speaker 2: It worked great, except when you had to take the
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  Speaker 2: cat out of the carrier and carryer through the the
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  Speaker 2: X ray machine at TSA.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and the cats get fried through the X ray machine. No,
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  Speaker 1: they go through it with you.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you put them on the car.
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  Speaker 1: You don't put them on the conveyor belt and have
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  Speaker 1: the X rays so you can see cat cat skeleton. Okay, exact.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, travelers who vacation with their cats say they've
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  Speaker 1: encountered anti cat bias around the world. There are people
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  Speaker 1: that actually travel with their cats. Okay, I was traveling
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  Speaker 1: with my cat. And this is discrimination on a very
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  Speaker 1: high level. Discrimination in airport, on planes, at hotels, vacation reynolds,
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  Speaker 1: even ones that say they're pet friendly and of course
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  Speaker 1: what they really mean dog friendly. And so these folks
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  Speaker 1: who travel with their cats. Can you imagine what a
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  Speaker 1: cat must look like after has gone through a few
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  Speaker 1: of those X ray machines at the airport. That cat
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  Speaker 1: does a lot of wobbling when walking. I'll tell you anyway,
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  Speaker 1: the owners have to overcome all these hurdles and have
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  Speaker 1: to gain the same trust and have the owners of
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  Speaker 1: properties accept cats to the same level they do dogs. Now,
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  Speaker 1: according to Anna Carston, who is a French blogger and
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  Speaker 1: has faced this double standard over and over again, she
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  Speaker 1: says this is discrimination and she travels with her cat Poofy.
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  Speaker 1: Now I want to stop the story right here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: anybody who names their cat Poofy has more problems than
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  Speaker 1: simply discrimination at hotels with the cat. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: a real issue about the sanity of this person. So Poofy,
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  Speaker 1: She says, Well, the standard is somehow Poofy is a
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  Speaker 1: higher risk if you think about it's outrageous because Poofy
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  Speaker 1: literally goes to sleep and a dog could destroy an
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  Speaker 1: entire room if it's stress. So she goes to the
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  Speaker 1: Dutch city of Leiden. During a check in at a rental,
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  Speaker 1: she has to provide references that Poofy was a model guest.
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  Speaker 1: Now she had a previous experience involving cat pee. The
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  Speaker 1: apartment owner, and this is I'm talking about. The department
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  Speaker 1: owner had a previous experience decided that poofy can be
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  Speaker 1: brought into the room, but only in a cage. Now,
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  Speaker 1: dogs domesticated thousands of years before, cats have much better optics.
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  Speaker 1: Why because cats stereotyped this homebodies territorial and familiar settings,
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  Speaker 1: timid and new ones. A productive day may involve sixteen
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  Speaker 1: hours of sleep and shredding the sofa, and a cat
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  Speaker 1: that feels wrong may express this indignation by intentionally missing
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  Speaker 1: the litter box. Now has that ever happened to you,
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  Speaker 1: Amy with your two cats? Maybe once or twice? See
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  Speaker 1: there you go. I had a dog once and when
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  Speaker 1: we would leave, would get really pissed off. And we
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  Speaker 1: had this literally ray No, no, she would right there
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  Speaker 1: on our runner, this persian carpet runner, just to let
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  Speaker 1: us know. Or she would do her duty in a
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  Speaker 1: shoe and smile. I caught her a couple of times
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  Speaker 1: and she was just gringing when she did that. So now,
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  Speaker 1: cat owners dispute all these tropes because they describe their
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  Speaker 1: pets as outgoing, curious, sociable. But the generalizations still shape
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  Speaker 1: the whole industry's policies. So there was a survey that
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  Speaker 1: was done and the majority of respondents opposed cat guests
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  Speaker 1: feeline kess we're talking about property owners because they cited
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  Speaker 1: the cat's claws and urine and dander which could trigger
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  Speaker 1: allergic reactions in future travelers. The Cleveland Clinic reports it
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  Speaker 1: up to three out of ten people in the United
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  Speaker 1: States are allergic to cats and dogs, but the likelihood
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  Speaker 1: of being allergic to cats is twice as high. If
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  Speaker 1: they pee there one single time, you're going to have
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  Speaker 1: a ridiculously hard time to get the smell out and
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  Speaker 1: maybe never will. And one cat can murder your couch
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  Speaker 1: in one weekend. So you got a new gen generation
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  Speaker 1: of cat experts owners attempting to recast cats. They have
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  Speaker 1: tidy habits now if you are committed to training and
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  Speaker 1: have the proper gear, cats with the right disposition, curious
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  Speaker 1: issuing to go outside can start racking up their miles
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  Speaker 1: in their carrier and actually deal with international time zones,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty impressive. And airports, by the way, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been in airport with your cat,
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  Speaker 1: certainly with your dog airports. A lot of airports are
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  Speaker 1: very pet friendly. You've got pet relief areas and airports,
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  Speaker 1: but they're all about dogs, artificial grass, poop bags, treats,
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  Speaker 1: fake fire hydrants. I once peed on a fake fire
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  Speaker 1: hydrant thinking that it was nevermind. A few airports have
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  Speaker 1: started catering to cat's needs, but very few. Ottawa International Airport,
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  Speaker 1: for example, has added a public litter box. Come on,
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  Speaker 1: that's good. Stuff is done. Bull has several of these,
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  Speaker 1: but the cat has to wear a veil. You can't
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  Speaker 1: actually see its face. Plus is Stumble has a cat
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  Speaker 1: tree scratching post, kibble dispensers. Now all the airlines require
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  Speaker 1: that non service pets stay inside their carriers. There's such
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  Speaker 1: thing as a service cat. I'm sure that somebody has
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  Speaker 1: claimed it at some point, but I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you can get a service cat. I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I mean the emotional support business,
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  Speaker 1: which is now crapola. I mean the airlines have done
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  Speaker 1: away with a whole emotional support. You need a service dog,
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  Speaker 1: a certified service dog. I mean it got to the
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  Speaker 1: point where you could say anything. You could say, I
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  Speaker 1: have a seeing eye chicken at one point it was
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  Speaker 1: a summer a peacock board or a pet pig or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that there are service Shetland ponies that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know. You can actually bring a horse onto
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  Speaker 1: the airplane with you, not a big horse, but a
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  Speaker 1: small horse. In the meantime, at this point, the only
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  Speaker 1: dogs you can bring in have to be in those cages.
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  Speaker 1: And how do you travel with a big dog? That's
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  Speaker 1: the other thing. I mean, big dogs are really rough
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  Speaker 1: and you have to give them all kinds of drugs
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  Speaker 1: because they're going to go in the cargo hold. And
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  Speaker 1: the cargo hold, of course is non pressurized, so there's
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  Speaker 1: a good chance that you put the dog into a cage,
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  Speaker 1: the cage goes into the cargo hold, and then the
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  Speaker 1: dog explodes because of the air pressure is very different. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're done. Okay, it's time for medical news. Doctor Jim Kiney,
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  Speaker 1: cheap medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Clinic Medical
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  Speaker 1: Center in Long Beach. Jim, thanks for joining us as always.
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  Speaker 1: Big story of course about Savannah Guthrie's mom who disappeared
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  Speaker 1: and what broke today on this is that her pacemaker
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  Speaker 1: was last detected Sunday at two am on her cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: And would you explain how that works? Where the information
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  Speaker 1: from a pacemaker goes to the phone, and does it
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  Speaker 1: go to a provider, does it use the internet? How
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  Speaker 1: does all that work?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so these latest pacemakers are great. I mean you
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  Speaker 2: used to have to go into a dodgor's office and
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  Speaker 2: have the pacemaker kind of evaluated and monitored to see
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  Speaker 2: how it's working. And you know, everything from the battery
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  Speaker 2: life to the quality of the impulses, to how often
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  Speaker 2: your heart uses it, you know how effective it's being.
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  Speaker 2: So nowadays, through you know, Bluetooth another connectivity, you can
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  Speaker 2: either have a device in your home that links that
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  Speaker 2: is so basically the pacemaker links to that device and
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  Speaker 2: then that device links to your phone or I believe
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  Speaker 2: there's some pacemakers now that link directly to your phone
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  Speaker 2: through Bluetooth. But a link has to be there first,
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like this thing will connect to any
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  Speaker 2: Wi Fi signal or any Bluetooth signal out there in
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  Speaker 2: the world. You know, it has to already be paired.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, that if it has
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  Speaker 1: interconnectivity with the Internet, then it would be really significant
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  Speaker 1: that the last signal was at two am, So it
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  Speaker 1: really doesn't mean anything other than her phone was too
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  Speaker 1: far away and she could then the pacemaker could very
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  Speaker 1: well be working just fine, correct, right.
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  Speaker 2: So once yeah, once she was removed from you know,
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  Speaker 2: bluetooth distance from that from that device, then absolutely it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't connect. But what I think is more interesting is
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  Speaker 2: I've heard reports the family as saying that she's some
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  Speaker 2: medication that if she doesn't get it, she could die.
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  Speaker 2: When you put that information together with the fact that
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  Speaker 2: she's on a pacemaker, I'm going to assume she has
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  Speaker 2: what we call a tachi arrhythmia where her heart goes
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  Speaker 2: too fast like atrial fibrillation. You've seen in movies where
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  Speaker 2: they're about to shock somebody and they say they l
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  Speaker 2: V TAC you know, clear, and the persons can die. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So what we do is we use medicines to slow
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  Speaker 2: down tachi arhythma means fast, irregular rhythm and so like
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  Speaker 2: an attack. And what we do is use medications like
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  Speaker 2: fleckanide or sodolol, or the beta blockers or things like
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  Speaker 2: that amiodorone. Those slow down the heart rate enough so
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  Speaker 2: you don't get into that trouble anymore. The problem is
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  Speaker 2: it slows down your heart rate too much to actually
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  Speaker 2: survive without passing out. So then we put a pacemaker
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  Speaker 2: in to protect the low level. Right, So we protect
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  Speaker 2: the too high a rate with medication, and we protect
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  Speaker 2: to lower rate with a pacemaker. So if she's off
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  Speaker 2: her medicine, she could go into one of those super
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  Speaker 2: high fast rate rhythms and die from that. We're here
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  Speaker 2: in conjecture. I don't know, I don't know what medicine
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  Speaker 2: she's gone, but you no.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. I first glance, I thought it was insulin.
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  Speaker 1: That to me, But I'm the layman thinking in those terms.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you understand this far deeper than I do. Even
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  Speaker 1: though I play a doctor on radio, you happen to
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  Speaker 1: be a real one. So assuming that that medication you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, and if it wasn't taken with her, and
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  Speaker 1: it was a fair amount of medication, that does not
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  Speaker 1: bode well for survivability, does it.
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  Speaker 2: Well? It puts you at high risk. I mean, people
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  Speaker 2: with these kind of irregular rhythms, they don't always go
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  Speaker 2: into them, and they may not go into them as
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  Speaker 2: soon as the medicine drops. But they're there to protect you,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're in a stressful environment like a hostage situation,
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine that raises the risk as well. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's not good for somebody in their eighties
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  Speaker 2: to suddenly have a you know, sudden withdrawal from these
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  Speaker 2: type of medications.
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  Speaker 1: Fair Enough, back we go to jim KINI we are, however,
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about the measle cases that have broken
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  Speaker 1: out in LA County. And should I be probably scared
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  Speaker 1: of the measles as I am, and not necessarily getting them,
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  Speaker 1: but just seeing what's happening to our society measles wise.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean this is a clear breakdown to the
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  Speaker 2: clearest breakdown in public health that you can just point
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  Speaker 2: a thing or two and identify. I mean, we know
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  Speaker 2: that measles super highly contagious. Ninety percent of unvaccinated people
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  Speaker 2: who get exposed will get infected, and about one out
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  Speaker 2: of five kids are going to need to be hospitalized
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  Speaker 2: when they get it. You know, about two out of
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  Speaker 2: a thousand will die or two out of a thousand
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  Speaker 2: kids will die from it, and about one out a
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  Speaker 2: thousand will get encephalitis with permanent brain damage. So this
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  Speaker 2: is not just you know, a common coal. This is serious.
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  Speaker 2: It also, I don't think people realize it erases your immunity,
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  Speaker 2: so things that you were previously immune to you now
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  Speaker 2: are able to to get. So it has a kind
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  Speaker 2: of a long term but temporary erasure of your immunity
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  Speaker 2: for months to years. So this thing is just not good.
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  Speaker 2: And we got what now almost three thousand cases across
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  Speaker 2: the country in the last year if you combine twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five with the first few months of twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, that's unheard of. So we may be
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  Speaker 2: back in endemic territory where measles is a regular thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's out there, people are getting it regularly. Hospitals are
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  Speaker 2: dealing with it regularly. By the way, requires negative pressure
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  Speaker 2: air room when you're hospitalized, and we know from COVID
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  Speaker 2: we only have so many of those. You can only
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  Speaker 2: run the air conditioner backwards in so many rooms in
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  Speaker 2: the hospital before you know, all you're doing is sucking
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  Speaker 2: air everywhere and you're not actually blowing air into anything.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, those are limited physically, so it can
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  Speaker 2: be a big mess.
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  Speaker 1: And measles was basically eradicated here in this country and
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  Speaker 1: that's a scary part. Much like polio. Who the hell
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  Speaker 1: gets polio anymore? I mean, you don't hear about that.
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  Speaker 1: But measles making a comeback and the blame lies entirely
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  Speaker 1: on lack of vaccinations. Is that fair to say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair to say. I mean, we were getting
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  Speaker 2: so measles was completely eliminated for endemic cases in the
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  Speaker 2: United States, but we were getting people that would fly
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  Speaker 2: in that had measles and then it would just burn out.
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  Speaker 2: Now a few people would get infected in the US,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the troublesome part. So yeah, of course, we're
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  Speaker 2: always going to get cases from other countries where they
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  Speaker 2: don't have the ability to vaccinate to the level we do.
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  Speaker 2: But you know here now we are looking like a
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  Speaker 2: third world country.
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  Speaker 1: I so I it was the question I was going
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  Speaker 1: to ask you about this in terms of have there
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  Speaker 1: been extrapolations done by the medical community as to where
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  Speaker 1: this is going to go? How many people are going
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  Speaker 1: to be infected in the next two, three, five years,
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  Speaker 1: and how many deaths and how many hospitalizations you looked
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like that?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean I haven't seen anything like that, because
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  Speaker 2: we can barely deal. You know, right now, the American
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  Speaker 2: health system is teetering, right. You would think with all
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  Speaker 2: the money when you go to the hospital and those
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  Speaker 2: bills you get, and how much money you see flowing
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  Speaker 2: into the system, you would think that this would be
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  Speaker 2: a stable system. But it absolutely is not. People are
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  Speaker 2: you know, hospitals are barely surviving as it is. And
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  Speaker 2: really these type of things are exactly what keeps us
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  Speaker 2: in the dark, case, keeps us being able to move forward,
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  Speaker 2: because we're spending money on you caring for diseases that
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  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have to care for if simple preventative measures
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  Speaker 2: were taken. So, I mean, the concern here is again
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  Speaker 2: that we'll you know, will this be something that strains
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  Speaker 2: the system so much that people can't you know, people
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  Speaker 2: don't have access to healthcare.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is just people in general who this
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  Speaker 2: affects mostly the vulnerable in the society. Right, So children
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  Speaker 2: under twelve months, people that are immunal compromised, suddenly feel
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  Speaker 2: even less confident about going out in public. People with
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  Speaker 2: heart disease or other issues that put them at higher risk,
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  Speaker 2: they just you know, can't live as good a life
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  Speaker 2: as they could have.
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  Speaker 1: Have You seen any measle cases at your hospital.
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  Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of at my hospital, but I
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  Speaker 2: am aware of other hospitals in the area who have
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  Speaker 2: had measles cases, both in Orange County and in La
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  Speaker 2: Long Beach area.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that really does scare hospital staff that
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  Speaker 1: measles has arrived. That's not something that you don't talk about.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, most of us are immunized, so honestly
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  Speaker 2: taking care of measles cases isn't as concerning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not talking about personal safety. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: just the fact that measles has arrived, and is it
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  Speaker 1: taking the medical community for a loop saying, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: not again kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And you know, we've talked about the problem of
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  Speaker 2: holding in the emergency department, where patients are held in
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the er because there's no beds in the hospital. There's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: no place to put them, and that is severely impacting
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  Speaker 2: our hospital bed situation and our er capacity. So we
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  Speaker 2: lose our capacity, and then the paramedics who deliver those
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: patients to the ear have to stay with their patient
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  Speaker 2: till a nurse can accept them, and now it's impacting
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the ability to deliver nine to one one service because
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: those paramedics are out of commission. So the trickle down
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: effect of this is significant.
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  Speaker 1: And let's not forget we in the United States have
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  Speaker 1: the best medical system in the world, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I used to think that, and I started traveling and
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  Speaker 2: seeing other healthcare. Yeah, fucking how good other countries are doing, right,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then you started really looking at us. Okay, Jim, thank you.
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