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Ouija Boards Are Egregores??? | How Chipotle Started A Nationwide BOO-rito Brawl · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Coming up... Oh my god, Ouija boards are egregores?
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Oh no... Ouija boards are egregores? Okay, do
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you guys know that game where someone says something,
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like a word, and then you guys just write off,
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like, top of head, what... Yes. Yeah, what word
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first comes to mind? You know what I'm talking
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about? Yeah. So I'm gonna go around, I'm gonna
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go, Angela Brie, Angela Brie. I'm gonna say a
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word, and then you say the first word that comes
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to mind. So who's first? Uh, Ange. Elephants.
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Elephants. Trunk. Bree. Ghost. Hunting. Angela.
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Basket. Cool hoop. Okay. Brianna. Oh shit, this
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is actually harder for me to think of a word
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to say to you guys. Keep going, it's fun. Brianna,
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your word is going to be avocado. Thanks. Thanks?
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Thanks. Thanks? Yes. Thanks. What does that mean?
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It's an avocado. Thanks. Angela, your word is
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going to be stop. Sign. Okay, Bree, your word
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is going to be Chipotle. Chicken? Incorrect.
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According to ChristianLife .com, the word that
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you should associate with Chipotle is demonic,
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evil, and satanic. So, that was how we were setting
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up this episode. Okay. I don't know if you've
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seen the headlines, but let me just read one
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headline to you. Demonic burritos? Evangelicals
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think Chipotle's Halloween commercial attacks
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Christianity. And they're not alone. If you go
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on any Chipotle post in the past, like, two weeks,
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the comments sound something like this. I screenshotted
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a bunch of them. This is witchcraft. I'm dumb
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with Chipotle. Bye, Chipotle. You're summoning
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spirits now. I stand with Jesus Christ. Demonic!
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You pushed us out. With your witchcraft and Ouija
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board. Hello, Kodoba. Get ready. Here we come.
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Nope, nope, nope. Never eating there again. No
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witchcraft. No Chipotle for my family. The only
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spirit I want to summon is the Holy Spirit of
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Jesus Christ. Amen. Done with this Chipotle place.
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Amen. They lost me. Deliberate witchcraft marketing.
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This is not cool. cries in small town michigan
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cries in small town michigan it's i'm sure it
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doesn't actually say that um no no it did that
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was one of the comments cries in small town michigan
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yeah so um but anyways this is all over an ad
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chipotle did like a quick advertisement for halloween
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it was like a spooky ad they did a number of
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them but the one in question is they use like
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a tortilla chip and you know like the chipotle
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like paper or whatever like the Yeah, they had
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like a pretend Ouija board and the tortilla chip
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like spout out like that. Margaritas are coming
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back or something like that. I don't think they
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sell margaritas. It doesn't make sense. No, no.
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I swear that's what it was about. Hold on. Maybe
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it was like a margarita style. Yes. Yeah. Not
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like actual margaritas. They are doing margaritas.
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Yeah. But like, you know how they have margarita
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pizzas? No, no, no. But it's margarita. Because,
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like, that style. It's not... I think it's literally
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a margarita. Yeah. It's a real margarita for
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Halloween to bring them back. But it's a fast
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food place. They can't have alcohol. Well, somehow
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they can. Because, like, the whole point of the
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ad was, like, summoning spirits. Like, we're
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bringing the spirits back, you know? So they
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had, like, a little tortilla. I knew I wasn't
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crazy here. Food! It's inconceivable to us. Because,
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like... since when do they have margaritas but
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that's legit they wanted to get a make a splash
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and announce margaritas they were summoning the
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spirits literally haha spirits by having a tortilla
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chip spell out margarita on a fake ouija board
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and like clearly fake and whatever but like ouija
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boards are real well i wanted to talk about ouija
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boards in a way that wasn't talking about ouija
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boards because we haven't talked about ouija
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boards yet on the main pod and i don't really
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want to go down the whole like Are they real?
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Are they evil? So I was trying to think of a
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way to talk about them without talking about
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them. And then Chipotle makes this ad. Perfect!
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It's almost like the universe spoke to us. I
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know. Kind of like Ouija boards. That was so
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cute. For the two people that watch the YouTube,
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they know that she just kissed a dog. Everyone
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else is just like, why is Brianna kissing? Like
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a Ouija board. Yes. So would you ever kiss a
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Ouija board, Bri? No, I would not kiss a Ouija
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board. I knew you would want to put that on record.
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It's just mind -boggling to me, the response.
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I don't know. It's just kind of like the mindset
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and kind of like the framework I wanted to use
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to talk about Ouija boards before this ad. And
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this is kind of just solidifying that. is why
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are Ouija boards different? Or how, as well,
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I guess. Are they different than other ghost
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hunting tools? Because you hear talk like this
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all the time. For some reason, Ouija boards are
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like the token for all things evil and satanic
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and demonic and occult. Yeah. Why isn't an EMF
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meter? Or why aren't dowsing rods? Why isn't
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the spirit box? In what ways is the Ouija board
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different than these tools? Without getting into
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an argument or saying if... one is good one is
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bad or whatever but like it's just do you equate
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them any differently like ouija boards and other
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ghost hunting tools i think that's a really really
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good question and it's also a really hard one
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welcome to our podcast where we take deep dives
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looking at various topics through a paranormal
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lens we've had the stigma for so long that Ouija
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boards are bad and you should not use Ouija boards
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and you're going to open portals and summon things
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that you don't intend and you won't be able to
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control it. But really, how different from other
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paranormal equipment are they? Because it is
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still like you were comparing it to an EMF or
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dowsing rods. It is still a piece of equipment.
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that is used to communicate. And no matter what,
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you are still opening yourself up or accepting
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that, oh, I'm using this tool to try to communicate
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with something. You're just as easily and likely
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to summon something or open said portal with
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any piece of equipment because it's all an intent,
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right? We talk a lot about intent with stuff
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here. And so how is a Ouija board different from
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really any other piece? That is the big question.
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I agree. And my whole thing with Ouija boards,
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like as a response to the people that do have
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extreme reactions to them. And I think it's important
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just to note real quick, like, I feel like every
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generation has like that one. big scare around
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ouija boards like you had the exorcist book and
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then movie and then you had to panic you know
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every decade there seems to be like one thing
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that comes up um that just solidifies it um if
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in the exorcist movie they had emf meters i i
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think it would have been uh emf meters or evil
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i mean and also the spiritualist movement and
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all that stuff too um plays into it but i always
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look at Ouija boards and their reactions to them
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as, okay, so using this tool to communicate with
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the dead, do you think communicating with the
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dead is bad? If so, your point about Ouija boards
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is valid if you think that way about all tools.
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But if you're just singling out Ouija boards
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as being really bad and evil and demonic and
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somehow vastly different in terms of its summoning
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abilities and it being a portal, but something
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like the Estus method is okay. How many times
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have we done this method and we seem to like
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channel something like it puts you in a meditative
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state. Like why? Just in my head, I'm just a
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little confused by the whole like, if you think
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Ouija boards are dangerous and you should fear
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them, fear that as well. And you're consistent.
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Consistency is good. I like the consistent thinking.
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I can get behind that. Cool. I think it's just
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that it's just a lot of superstition that goes
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on. long as Ouija boards. It's been around for
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a while. And longer than the other ghost hunting
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tools, not counting the dowsing rods, but for
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a very long time. And so I just think it has
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that added on fear to it. But it doesn't explain
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why people aren't afraid of the other ghost hunting
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tools and not. I don't know. Maybe it's just
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the lack of knowledge when it comes to ghost
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hunting and the paranormal and stuff like that.
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Something that just came across my brain is when
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you're ghost hunting, Ouija boards aren't always
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the first thing that we leap to. We have the
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spirit box. We have EMF. We have dusting rods.
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We have many other different pieces of equipment.
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And we'll have... interactions or like things
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with potential spirits and have experiences that
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to us it's like okay we are trying to do like
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the paranormal and get these sorts of responses
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the ouija board it came out originally as a game
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and people got this game to play and then it
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turned into like oh we're gonna do a party game
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oh it's a girl's night let's get all spooky so
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they're people who are using ouija boards aren't
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always people who are in the paranormal field
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so things that are happening to them if they
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are having things happen they may seem absolutely
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crazy or terrifying to them but right to a paranormal
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investigator it may be just the run -of -the
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-mill interaction so they could be like oh my
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god i felt like i was touched and like something
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grabbed me and right we could be at a different
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location and like we're using spirit box and
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have the same thing happen but because they aren't
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paranormal investigators and they're using a
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ouija board that already has this bad stigma
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behind it it just amplifies, oh, Ouija boards
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are bad. Ouija boards are bad. I had this crazy
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experience with a Ouija board. So to clarify
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at this point, if you're at a girls' night and
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you have no experience ghost hunting, and suddenly
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in the dungeon of your jail that you're doing
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girls' night at, something flicks your boob,
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you'd blame a Ouija board. But if you're using
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a spirit box during a TikTok live, and the same
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thing happens, you wouldn't blame the spirit
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box. Yeah. I mean, you're not, exactly. That
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came up. For anyone wondering, check out our
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investigation of the Canberra County Old Stone
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Jail. It's on YouTube right now. It's 25 minutes
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long. I'm going to post a link to it that actually
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happened. It's not a spoiler. Brianna's boob
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got flicked. It was an interesting night. Interesting
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video. That's only like five seconds out of the
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whole thing. Yeah. But I had to put it in because
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then Angela goes, which was the highlight of
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the whole video. But Angela going, is everyone
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that's like five years old using a Ouija board,
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probably doing Bloody Mary in the mirror. They
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don't. I mean, Ouija boards are easily accessible.
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You can find them anywhere at any toy store.
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Five Below sells them now. You can't buy an EMF
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meter. And also, one of you alluded to this,
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maybe Angela. There's ghost hunting tools. Like,
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we know what a REM pod is. No one knows what
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a REM pod is. People may know, like, EMF from,
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like, Supernatural or something. But unless you
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watch Sam and Kobe, hashtag Sam and Kobe, you're
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not going to know any. ghost hunting tools or
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what they are how many times do we do a public
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ghost hunt or whatever or uh have our you know
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equipment laid out on a table and people are
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like what's that what's that then they see a
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ouija board like oh hell no everyone knows what
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a ouija block that no yeah not a ouija board
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yeah so maybe it's like they're not intentionally
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calling out ouija boards they just don't know
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that there's other stuff Because we're so involved.
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But also, there isn't that stigma behind other
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stuff. Because, like, I've always thought, like...
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taking this back a little bit to to the other
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pieces of equipment and the stigma behind it
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and what it does like some people believe like
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i said ouija boards are opening portals because
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you're trying to like communicate with something
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and i've always thought of spirit boxes as like
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a modern ouija board almost because it you're
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creating white noise Which in itself has energy,
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just like a Ouija board might. So you have just
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as much potential of opening a portal with a
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spirit box as you do with a Ouija board. And
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to be honest, I feel like, personally speaking,
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we've had a lot more scary experiences using
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spirit boxes compared to a Ouija board. But you
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guys also use spirit box a lot more than Ouija
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boards. Yeah, but you can't have a mimic come
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through a Ouija board. How many times have we
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heard our own voices or other people we know's
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voices come through the spirit box? That doesn't
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happen on a Ouija board. If anything, I feel
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like people should have... Spirit boxes should
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be feared more than Ouija boards. If people knew
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what they were, those would be feared way more,
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I feel like. Because it doesn't have that stigma
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of people who don't, like, like I said, the people
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who are using these, these tools like Ouija boards,
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their first go to for these sort of like, I'm
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going to have a spooky night is to get a Ouija
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board, not a spirit box. I mean, nowadays, they
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do have like apps like ghost tube that people
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get. But like, yeah. because it's linked on your
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phone like i feel like there isn't that stigma
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behind it nobody thinks if their phone is bad
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yeah i mean there are some people who think of
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their phone as bad but i was gonna say about
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the spirit box too well firstly i want to say
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i do agree with you brie i've even said multiple
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times like about when we were in Gettysburg or
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in New Orleans, I feel like there's been a couple
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times where the spirit box literally sounds like
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it's a portal because you turn it on and it's
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just static. And suddenly there's a million voices,
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you know, a woman saying, hi, then a guy saying,
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hi, then, you know, a bunch of other random voice.
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It sounds like a portal is open and all these
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voices coming through. So yes, I do think of
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all equipment or tools that are most. like a
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quote portal or what you would think one is spirit
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box also the rebuttal i feel like to all these
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people who would you know let's say you say uh
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let me bring a spirit box to our girls and they'd
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say that's just a radio a lot of people say that's
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just a radio it is just a broken radio like that's
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the whole point of a spirit box so the ouija
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board was its own thing and is its own thing
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it's you you can turn any radio into Maybe that's
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why this ad struck such a nerve the Chipotle
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ad because you were turning the Ouija board is
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supposed to be its own thing It's not Like, you
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pick up any phone, any radio, and turn it into
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a spirit box. This is a Ouija board. It is made
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to be a Ouija board. It has a unique look, a
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unique feel. Now you're turning my tortilla chips
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and telling me my tortilla chips can summon ghosts
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now, you know? It's turning something that's
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not supposed to be a ghost hunting tool into
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a ghost hunting tool. Like, you know what I mean?
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I get what you mean. It's its own thing. So a
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lot of people say two. And this is a, so we kind
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of don't agree, I think, on, even though it's
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interesting, we all have differing opinions on
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Ouija boards and if we would use them or not.
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Spoiler alert, some of us here would use one,
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have used one, refuse to use one. We don't need
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to go into that whole debate again. But another
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rebuttal is that because you use it with your
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hands and you're essentially moving it and you
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are the medium. Like, you know what I mean? Like,
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through your hands, the spirits are speaking.
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I never understood that. Because that's the same
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thing you do with, like, dowsing rods. Yeah.
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Yeah. And also, the Estus method is literally,
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like I said, priming you. Like, you're essentially
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channeling the spirit. And you're meditating.
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And it's odd to me that, like, using your hands
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on a Ouija board is... Like, that in and of itself
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makes it worse. Do you guys... Have thoughts
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on that aspect? I have no issue with using my
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body to channel spirits. What? You phrased that
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so weirdly. I have no issue if any November fans
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use my body to channel spirits. No, I don't want
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no November fans using my body to channel spirits,
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man. Oh, God. Yeah, I don't know how... What
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was the question again? So the topic was, basically,
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you being the human vessel, so to speak, so,
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like, physically, you're the one moving it. The
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spirits, allegedly, are speaking through you,
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quote -unquote. So, does that make it somehow
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worse than you using your hands to move dowsing
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rods? Like, shouldn't dowsing rods be bad? Yeah,
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I mean, I guess if you think of it that way,
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I haven't really thought of it that way, but
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I mean. Like, is, do you, in your head, do you,
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is that the part of it that concerns you about
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Ouija boards, or? That's not the part of it that
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can, I don't, I can't say what, it's, it's, it's
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still the stigma that, behind Ouija boards that
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gets me with Ouija boards. I don't know, I don't
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have an explanation for it. But I was gonna say,
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that's. The decades of stigma and stereotyping.
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The decades of fear and stereotyping. And, you
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know, scapegoating, you know, during the satanic
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panic. But I do think of all the concerns about
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Ouija boards, that's the only valid one, to be
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honest. If your hesitation is, for decades people
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have feared this thing, so I don't want to touch
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it. That sounds a lot like someone that might
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believe in egregores. You know what I mean? Oh
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my god, Ouija boards are egregores? Oh no. Ouija
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boards are egregores? If you believe in egregores,
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you should be hesitant of using the one ghost
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hunting tool that decades of people have feared
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and placed fear upon. Why can't - Why - Ooh.
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Ooh. I really - We should bring - I would love
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to have a debate with someone about this. This
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would be fun. Like, bring one of the evangelicals
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on? I don't know, something like that. They don't
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know about egregores. What if they do, though?
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So, this person is crying in a small town in
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Michigan. Should I message them? No. Because
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then what if they find us? Which small town?
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Which small town? There is one out of hundreds
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that it could potentially be my small town. Let's
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see. Yeah, we don't want that. Because here's
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this thing, Ben. If they're commenting on whatever
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platform this is about this whole Chipotle ad,
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and then you message them asking us... asking
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them to come on the podcast about this, they're
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going to probably make a post in a bunch of different
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forums complaining about how we're demonic. I
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don't want to deal with that. According to their
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Facebook, they're from Kalamazoo. That's not
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a small town. No, that's not small at all. Unless
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they just marked Kalamazoo, but they're really
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from a surrounding town. Yeah, you never know.
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Anyways, I don't think we know them. I can message
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them. They probably don't want to be on anyways
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because you're just... No. No, don't. Because
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now they're going to be offended we said they're
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from Kalamazoo. As if they listened to the episode.
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I doubt they did by now. Back to Ouija boards.
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The whole egregorical talk. That was a word we
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made up a few episodes ago. Yeah. Egregorical.
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Egregorical. Kind of makes sense. And also, it...
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kind of as i'm saying it now equates back to
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our conversations about uh what we were talking
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about where okay yes it was god what i'm about
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to say here i thought it was like our conversation
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about like the hat man or something serious no
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this was during our spongebob episode this came
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up oh we were talking about how spongebob could
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be an egregore to some people But that doesn't
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mean everyone's perception of Spongebob. Like,
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everyone's Spongebob isn't necessarily an evil
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demon, just because for one person, their egregore
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is an evil demon Spongebob. You know what I'm
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talking about? Like, just because one person
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has an egregore doesn't mean everyone. Does that
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still apply to Ouija boards? If one person had
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a bad experience with Ouija boards and placed
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fear in it, does... That mean if Brianna picks
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it up, she'd encounter the Egregore version of
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it? So, that's the thing, too, though, with these
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hypothetical Egregore situations, is that - This
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is more real than the Spongebob one, though.
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Yeah. The stigma behind - Can you explain, like,
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how Spongebob compares to Ouija boards in, like,
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simple terms in terms of stigma and Egregores?
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So, Spongebob, shut the fuck up. is happy, fun
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children's TV show that some people have nightmares
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about occasionally. Ouija boards are something
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that has had a bad stigma and is always attributed
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to terrible interactions or potential demonic
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possessions. So there is more likely a chance
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that people who have the Ouija board egregore
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experience, it is... going to be a negative experience
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or a negative egregore compared to spongebob
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who is like i said a happy children's tv show
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character okay no offense but we need to take
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this back to 1920. so you yourself said that
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ouija boards were girls night game night so do
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we just give it another 100 years where uh spongebob
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which is girls night game night is now something
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that everyone fears and is horrific. Because
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Ouija boards weren't always horrible. Think back
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to when it first became an egregore. It had to
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take one person, and then another person, and
25:13
then another person, and then another person,
25:14
and then another person. Now, a hundred years
25:16
later, you're at this point where Spongebob is
25:20
cool, Ouija boards are cruel. Why are we talking
25:29
about Spongebob again? Why is... Can we... can
25:33
we let go of spongebob no but do you do you understand
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my point here yeah i do but i still think it's
25:38
stupid it's actually not in the point we're making
25:42
here of yeah it is stupid that this came out
25:45
of a conversation about spongebob but now it's
25:47
turning real in terms of if one person had a
25:50
bad experience with a ouija board and that created
25:53
an egregore for them at what point does it become
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everyone's egregore like is it still individualistic
26:02
And it just so happens, like, and it's just a
26:04
matter of if you, because everyone else around
26:07
you fears it, you fear it as much as them, then
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you have the potential to create an Egregore
26:12
for yourself, or are you experiencing someone
26:14
else's Egregore? Like, if your mom says, I had
26:17
a terrible experience with Ouija boards, and
26:19
just tells you as a kid that they're terrible,
26:21
are you experiencing, if you were to pick up
26:24
a Ouija board and encounter an Egregore type
26:26
of haunting, you know, something that's not...
26:29
You know, it's more of a thought form based on
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the fear. Are you encountering her, Egregore?
26:34
Or did you create one for yourself? Ben, that
26:48
was a lot. Again, again, separate it from Spongebob.
26:56
It just so happened to come out of her. What?
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There isn't an answer. But that's where my...
27:06
We're evolving. This podcast should be called
27:09
Egregorical Lens because we - It really should
27:12
be. It's brought up every single episode. We've
27:16
evolved how we think about egregores. Yeah, but
27:19
I feel like I also have never actually, like,
27:23
googled, what is an egregore? And - it's to actually
27:29
understand and know like i'm just going off of
27:32
our experience and like what we've talked about
27:34
and well that's what we are i don't know if that's
27:37
how like egregores work or how they're viewed
27:41
or like what what really is an egregore i actually
27:45
have no freaking idea i'm just like some guy
27:50
on the internet says i know everything about
27:52
egregores Like, I'd have a lot of questions.
27:55
I wouldn't try. No one knows. No one has. I feel
27:58
like we talk so much about egregores within this
28:05
podcast and with each other. Do we? I feel like
28:09
we also need to, like, understand what other
28:13
people think of egregores. We should get someone
28:15
on here. Yeah, let's let's let's get someone
28:19
on. Let's let's have an egregore. dedicated egregore
28:23
episode soon yes um now they're still going to
28:28
come up in conversation oh 100 because we're
28:31
going to not talk about egregores i don't know
28:33
but honestly ironically for a concept that's
28:38
so you know uh that that's all about thought
28:43
forms and thought creations Our own thoughts
28:46
and theories on them, independently from others'
28:49
experiences and their own research, is creating
28:52
canon and our own definition within this podcast.
28:55
And as it evolves, we are in a way creating our
28:58
own egregore of the concept of egregores. Yeah.
29:02
Yeah. So I don't think there is a right or wrong
29:05
interpretation, but it would be really cool to
29:08
compare notes, if anything. It's just like at
29:12
the beginning of this podcast. we ask the question
29:17
of what do we define as a ghost? And it's an
29:22
ever -changing and ever -evolving definition.
29:26
We don't have a specific good definition for
29:31
egregores because it's continually evolving for
29:35
us, and it may be different from what another
29:38
person views as an egregore. This is why I think...
29:43
No matter how much you might hate someone else's
29:45
opinion, it's still good to hear their opinion.
29:48
I don't hate anyone's opinions, yeah. Well, some
29:53
people don't have good opinions. I mean, true.
29:57
But that's why you still need to listen to them.
29:59
I don't hate that they have an opinion. You can
30:00
better your own knowledge and your own opinion.
30:04
But back to Ouija boards, because somehow on
30:08
this episode about Ouija boards, we've talked
30:10
more about Chipotle and SpongeBob. You guys did
30:16
that thing. No one wants to hear this nonsense,
30:22
okay? Keep going, keep going, keep going. That's
30:26
all I had on Ouija boards, guys. Because you
30:31
said, back to Ouija boards, and then listed off
30:33
all the things that we had talked about besides
30:35
Ouija boards, and then it was like, okay, are
30:38
we still talking about Ouija boards? I hope someone
30:41
had something to say about Ouija boards. I don't,
30:43
I don't. No, I think we said everything. Yeah.
30:47
So, okay. I mean, there's a lot of things to
30:49
say about Ouija boards, but, you know, I don't
30:52
know. That's the boring stuff. We're talking
30:54
about the fun stuff and the good stuff. The fun
30:57
stuff. last question do we think the symbol of
31:02
a ouija board because this is coming up a lot
31:04
in the comments the symbol of a ouija board you
31:07
know planchette or the you know the letters all
31:09
around okay yeah yeah is that image or images
31:13
a symbol that means you are like in league with
31:23
satan or anti -christianity like is the ouija
31:26
board symbol itself a satanic symbol that is
31:31
anti -christianity is it anti -religion um okay
31:38
because that's coming up a lot i didn't even
31:40
know that was an extreme viewpoint until the
31:43
last couple of weeks and i think the ouija board
31:48
is essentially like a poster child of all things
31:52
i mean the cult isn't anti -religion either or
31:55
anti -christianity but you know what i mean like
31:57
all the evangelical people use the ouija board
32:01
as like a visual representation of all things
32:05
anti -church and stuff which is odd to me i never
32:09
knew that i'm not i'm not saying i'm not trying
32:13
to generalize i'm just looking at these comments
32:15
that are coming in and i get these are extreme
32:17
people but yeah it's just odd to me the chipotle
32:22
used a tortilla chip to spell out like margarita
32:26
on a pretend ouija board and it's creating such
32:29
an uproar that news stations are covering like
32:32
the backlash like do you think we're entering
32:37
a new stage of satanic panic or something it's
32:40
like i feel like we are on the verge of like
32:44
we i feel like we definitely are on the verge
32:47
of another like oh yeah i feel like we're already
32:50
like in the midst of it somehow a little bit
32:53
yeah a little bit stages of it I feel like there's
32:57
gonna be people burned at the stake for being
32:59
witches again. I hope not. Well, you're safe.
33:04
Or metaphorically burned at the stake. Metaphorically,
33:08
yeah. Probably. I was gonna say, like, shit,
33:13
I'm dead then. Like, I'm not no hardcore witch,
33:16
but... Close enough. Close enough, yeah. You're
33:21
the most hardcore I know. Keep a fire extinguisher
33:25
on hand, Ben. We just had our checks in our apartment,
33:27
so I know it works. It works. Good, good. Thanks
33:33
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