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Clay Croft on the new XOverland Africa Expedition, and Lessons From the Nordic Series · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: your host Scott Brady, and my co host Matt Scott
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  Speaker 1: is also with me today at the Overland Expo in
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  Speaker 1: Flagstaff and we spend time interviewing Claycroft. Clay's been on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast several times and he's always a joy to
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  Speaker 1: have because he has so many insights on these incredible
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  Speaker 1: expeditions that he's conducted around the world. We go into
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  Speaker 1: a deep dive on his trip, the Nordic series that
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  Speaker 1: has taken him through Norway, in many parts of Scandinavia,
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  Speaker 1: the Faroe Islands, and ultimately into Iceland. That series is
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  Speaker 1: just wrapping up. We learned about the things that worked
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  Speaker 1: well and didn't work so well, some of his lessons
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  Speaker 1: that he took away from the expedition, and then we
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  Speaker 1: also do a big discussion around his next trip, so
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  Speaker 1: we kind of announce his Africa expedition that's coming up,
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  Speaker 1: where he's going to be taking a Sequoia and a
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  Speaker 1: couple other vehicles and they're going to be traveling around
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  Speaker 1: southern Africa. We have a great conversation with Clay. He
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  Speaker 1: Talking So, guys.
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  Speaker 2: We're here with Clay Croft from Expedition Overland and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about the Nordic series that is now
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  Speaker 2: completely out on the Overlander Network. And we're also going
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  Speaker 2: to dive into what's next. That's really Expedition Overland Crew. Clay,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much as always for being on the podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're You're such a great guest and such a wonderful friend.
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  Speaker 2: It's been so good for us to all experience this together.
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  Speaker 2: And you guys are at close to fifteen years, aren't you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, this is fourteen years yeah right now,
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  Speaker 3: and we.
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  Speaker 1: Just celebrated twenty years in February.
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  Speaker 3: Mac congratulations.
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  Speaker 1: Just unbelievable. Well just now. It just makes me feel old.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, and it makes you realize how short life is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like it is just going by fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, to think that, you know, Expedition's West
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  Speaker 1: started twenty years ago, a major inspiration of all Oh,
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  Speaker 1: thank you mine you Yeah, my overload as of Coba, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is okay, I know it worked out, the thing
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  Speaker 1: didn't care. And here we are, yeah exactly, here you are,
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  Speaker 1: yeah exactly. We would love to talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: your Nordic series, but more about what were the highlights.
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  Speaker 1: What were the places that you went that you would
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  Speaker 1: recommend those that are listening consider going to. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we did.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just give you an overview of what the trip
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  Speaker 3: was like. So we left. See, we got there in
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  Speaker 3: late July and worked all the way through almost October first,
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  Speaker 3: so we were gone for I think the total time
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  Speaker 3: was fifty nine days and twelve hours something like that
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  Speaker 3: of traveling. And we shipped into Belgium and then we
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  Speaker 3: drove north to Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, back to Denmark
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  Speaker 3: onto Faroe Islands.
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  Speaker 1: Chances to Faroe Island. Man that was very special, super
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  Speaker 1: excited for the pharaohe yeah. Yeah, so it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the next Iceland for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it's not that big, right, It's super small.
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  Speaker 2: I've had so many friends that have watched the series
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, let's go to the Paroe Islands.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go. Where are we going? Like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I rant into one guy who had been there two
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  Speaker 3: and a half weeks and he's like, yeah, I'm ready
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  Speaker 3: to leave.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know. But and there are people that live
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  Speaker 1: there full time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's an amazing place to go to because
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  Speaker 3: their government's been in place for a thousand years. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So and it's divided up by the villages over the hill.
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  Speaker 3: They would have to back in the day, like have
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  Speaker 3: to have people go to the next village over to
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  Speaker 3: get married. Yeah, you know, and that was like a
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  Speaker 3: big deal. Yeah, amazing place and the people who are
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  Speaker 3: fantastic three eyes and I'm not careful exactly, and I
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  Speaker 3: mean they've had kings and all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This is an amazing place. And now it's a territory
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  Speaker 1: of Denmark, right or.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question. Yes, you're right, I should know
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  Speaker 3: that I've been there, but well, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's another one of their autonomous Yeah, kind of
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  Speaker 2: like Greenland is where it's they get help cooling up there,
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  Speaker 2: but they're a little more autonomous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've they've been autonomous there, I guess, I
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  Speaker 3: mean for centuries. So there is a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: contesting to all of that, you know, due to the
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  Speaker 3: freedoms and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting to.
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  Speaker 3: Hear all of the political I guess ideologies that were
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  Speaker 3: going on with how it all works, because there's great
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  Speaker 3: blessings from it, and then their struggles too. In a
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  Speaker 3: very very small place like you can drive anywhere within
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  Speaker 3: two hours, like you cross the island back and forth,
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  Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth all the time. That's
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  Speaker 3: no big deal.
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  Speaker 1: And what was the primary language spoken there?
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  Speaker 3: Pharaoeesehares, Yeah, I did not, which is it's a dialect
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  Speaker 3: of the Vikings and uh, Pharoees can understand Icelandics and
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  Speaker 3: they can also understand a bit of Danish with their language,
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  Speaker 3: but Icelandics cannot understand Danish.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, so they're right in the middle of this,
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  Speaker 1: got it.
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  Speaker 3: So as as the adventurers, the explorers, the Vikings were
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  Speaker 3: moved their way across the ocean. There they hit the
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  Speaker 3: Pharaohs first, Shetland Islands Pharaohs, then onto the Iceland and
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  Speaker 3: it just developed this amazing language.
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  Speaker 1: Do they It was really fundamentingly good English. It's amazing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like there is there's a saying in Iceland that says
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  Speaker 1: the trash truck driver speaks English. I mean it's and
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  Speaker 1: they do. It's true. The other thing that I find
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  Speaker 1: totally fascinating about there's many things to be fascinated about
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  Speaker 1: the Icelandic people, but that they have like a ninety
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  Speaker 1: seven percent literacy rate, which is the highest in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Like they have like it would have to be developmentally
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  Speaker 1: disabled individual that was not literate literate, so everyone is literate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that can be.
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  Speaker 3: Iceland is an amazing place. It's the first time. I
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  Speaker 3: was there for like two days on our way to
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  Speaker 3: Greenland that one time. Yeah, but I stayed in a
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  Speaker 3: hotel and I slept and I made sure that I
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  Speaker 3: was ready to go for the Greenland expedition. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't doing anything else. I didn't travel, so this
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  Speaker 3: was really my first time to go there and experience it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm blown away. I can't wait to go back
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  Speaker 3: to Iceland. You could spend a lot of time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it looks on a map, it looks very small.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to go into the interior, you're
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  Speaker 1: not going any place quickly. Nope, You're pretty much other
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  Speaker 1: than some there are a few roads that go into
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  Speaker 1: the interior, like into Thinkfela in those areas. But if
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  Speaker 1: you want to go into the interior, you're on dirt.
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  Speaker 1: You're on dirt the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and you do need a proper formhel drive
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  Speaker 3: to get in there. I mean, the chimney is like
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  Speaker 3: the bottom baseline car that you could use. And even
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  Speaker 3: then there's several places that chimneys were having to turn
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  Speaker 3: around and not.
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  Speaker 1: Be and it's mostly the water crossings. Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: The jimneys are just there's even though they're very yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're very capable, but there they would get swept away. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and there's some deep stuff there. And a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people don't know this, but when you sign your rental
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  Speaker 1: agreement in Iceland, if you ford a river and you
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  Speaker 1: lose the car, you are not covered. It's on you.
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  Speaker 1: It's on you. And it's only specific too that Like
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  Speaker 1: you can try to climb up a glacier, you do
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  Speaker 1: all the other stuff, but if you try to cross
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  Speaker 1: a river in Iceland and you lose the car in
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  Speaker 1: the river, it's on you. Wow. Always walk.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we helped turn a couple of people around like
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  Speaker 3: you should not do this, you know, like here comes
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  Speaker 3: a high lux you know, like Torfee. Yeah, Johnson and
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  Speaker 3: then he was with us for a time on forty
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  Speaker 3: four inch tires six inch left. He drive across at
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  Speaker 3: and you see this big truck come across the river
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  Speaker 3: crossing and then the guy across the waves like maybe
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  Speaker 3: I could do that too.
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  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, a totally different thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That the door handle is at your shoulder on that truck.
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  Speaker 3: Don't drive your chimney in there. Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: I guess since we're on Iceland, what was your couple
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  Speaker 1: kind of most favorite moments in Iceland.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see, I loved learning how to travel Iceland. So
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  Speaker 3: you don't just pick your you could you could just
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  Speaker 3: pick the destinations that you want to go to and
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  Speaker 3: just systematically hit them. But there's a game you play
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  Speaker 3: in Iceland, and it's it's all based around the weather.
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  Speaker 3: So the weather is in its own micro climate, very
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  Speaker 3: different from one side of the island to the other,
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  Speaker 3: and to the north and to the south, and so
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  Speaker 3: you're constantly monitoring what's happening, and you're racing towards the
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  Speaker 3: good weather because you can be a nice sunny spot
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  Speaker 3: in this little canyon in this little nook of Iceland,
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  Speaker 3: and the rest of it is rained out. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: you're just chasing the good weather. And that's what we did.
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  Speaker 3: That's what Torfy taught us to do. And we had
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  Speaker 3: all We were there for three weeks and I think
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  Speaker 3: we maybe had five days of rain. I mean that's
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  Speaker 3: unheard of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 3: Also back to the Farrells real quick. We were there
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  Speaker 3: for six and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Days because you waited for the next ferry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it only got off one right, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: week they have like three hundred and forty days of rain.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so what we got there was like unreal.
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  Speaker 3: So it was defined that we were there for six
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  Speaker 3: days and only had one night of rain.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, it was spectacular. And what month were you there?
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  Speaker 1: That was September? September? And is that typical for September,
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  Speaker 1: Like like that's your best I don't know, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good Oh if it's three hundred and what you said,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and forty, yeah, it's like crazy.
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  Speaker 3: High and there was rain throughout, you know, but it
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  Speaker 3: would like come and go and be gone.
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  Speaker 1: We had sun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean while we're on the Pharaohs, I
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  Speaker 2: mean it is it is an accomplishment to get a
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  Speaker 2: vehicle there. You have to get if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: ship your vehicle from America or wherever it has to
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  Speaker 2: go to go to mainland Europe.
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  Speaker 1: And then does it do you leave out of the
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  Speaker 1: Netherlands or do you live out of Denmark?
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  Speaker 3: Leave out a Hirscharle's Denmark, Okay, and then it's a
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  Speaker 3: ferry that takes you to Iceland.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think it's I think it's worth Like
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  Speaker 2: for Americans that want to see the Faroe Islands, like,
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  Speaker 2: would you, I mean, can you just rent cars there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So I mean if you if you really want to
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  Speaker 3: just go see the Faroe Islands, the way to get
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  Speaker 3: there would be to fly into the rent a car
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  Speaker 3: once you have a car in the Pharaohs. They're not
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  Speaker 3: really built for eco travel with vehicle based travel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's like we were camping on soccer fields and stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's just and there is a camper van presence there,
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  Speaker 3: but they were also parked on the soccer field, you know,
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  Speaker 3: So there's just they're very new to tourism. Ten years
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  Speaker 3: really is all they've been open for this. So rent
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  Speaker 3: a house, rent a car, and.
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  Speaker 1: I guess a sense it's so small just travel around it.
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  Speaker 2: Seeah, but if you already have your vehicle there, it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like it's definitely duable.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally dual. Yeah, And it's a stop along along
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  Speaker 1: the ferry route. It is worth it. It is worth it.
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  Speaker 1: And then how long did that ferry take from Denmark
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  Speaker 1: to the Pharaohs.
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  Speaker 2: That was two nights two nights, okay, so minutes and
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  Speaker 2: you're primarily going what north north northwest north.
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  Speaker 3: It's more like west northwest. Okay, the seas were good.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't anything to shake a stick at.
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  Speaker 1: Was it pretty full? Was the ferry pretty full? It was? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's good to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're only running one and they used to
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  Speaker 3: run it more so. But I think it's ramping up now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, host COVID things are still sure turning back
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  Speaker 3: on a lot of people will stop there for just
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  Speaker 3: the afternoon while the boat's there.
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  Speaker 1: It's called the.
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  Speaker 3: Narona Corona yeah and Benarona. Yeah, great ship to travel on.
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  Speaker 3: It's the nicest ferry I've ever been on. Like it
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  Speaker 3: beats the Alaska Maritime Highway. It's like twice as nice
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  Speaker 3: as that. Wow, it was awesome. So you have your
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  Speaker 3: own little state room. And I don't think you can
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  Speaker 3: camp on it. It's not like the Alaska Highway where
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  Speaker 3: you can camp on the deck or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is this is huge open water and you're
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  Speaker 1: inside interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, I think one of the things I've
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  Speaker 2: learned from my travels, and not necessarily Faroe Islands and
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  Speaker 2: I call Icelander or whatever, you know, Nordic countries are
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  Speaker 2: very very expensive. Yes, so what was it like when
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  Speaker 2: you were on the Pharaoh Islands. Obviously it's so remote,
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  Speaker 2: everything has to come in by boat by plane.
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  Speaker 1: Was fuel available insanely expensive?
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  Speaker 3: It didn't seem I don't remember the exact prices, but
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  Speaker 3: it didn't seem to be any more than like what
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  Speaker 3: it was in Iceland, or because they're using all the
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  Speaker 3: same Yeah, it's a shipping flame and the faroes run
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  Speaker 3: off of diesel. That's how they power their islands. So
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  Speaker 3: I guess with that much there diesel coming in like crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's no real reality of solar or nothing
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 3: And wind they're in a you know, it's a very
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  Speaker 3: classification they have to run on. Yeah, and they do
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  Speaker 3: have like hydro powers, but it's mostly eighty percent of
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  Speaker 3: their electricity comes from generators.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas Iceland is able to generate so much power from
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  Speaker 2: all the thermo all thar effects. Yeah, yeah, really fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: And then how many days was the ferry from the
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  Speaker 2: Pharaohs to Iceland.
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  Speaker 3: So that's just an overnight So you get on in
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  Speaker 3: the morning and then you're on it throughout the day
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  Speaker 3: and then overnight and then by morning.
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  Speaker 1: About eight am you were arriving in Iceland. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: where did it in? Where did it come into? See
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  Speaker 1: the fjord? The words are hard, but it comes in.
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  Speaker 1: Does it come in on the eastern side of the country.
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  Speaker 1: It comes in on the northeastern side. Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Got it? Okay, So we had Ashley fly in and
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  Speaker 3: our guy Tanner and they flew into Raykovic and then
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  Speaker 3: took us a puddle jumper over the top of.
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  Speaker 1: The island to meet us up there. Sure. Sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we started up there. And in Iceland, did you kind
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: of do the whole Ring Road around or so?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in Iceland there's a road called is it the one?
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  Speaker 3: I think they called the one, but it's the Ring
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  Speaker 3: Road and it was built in the nineties. It hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been around for that long, and it circumnavigates. It kind
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  Speaker 3: of goes all the way around the island and you
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  Speaker 3: can you can drive it in like what twelve hours?
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen maybe? Maybe? I mean I took almost a week
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  Speaker 1: to go around it. Yeah, if you're like, actually just
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  Speaker 1: a motor it's probably yeah, yeah, probably, it's two lane,
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  Speaker 1: it's all the way around the island.
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  Speaker 3: And then so you can you can picture there's this
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  Speaker 3: pavement road that goes all the way around the island
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  Speaker 3: and then that's kind of your access point. From there,
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  Speaker 3: you can go in to the f Roads, which ultimately
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  Speaker 3: is Shorthand for mountain roads, and then you go travel
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  Speaker 3: the in London.
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  Speaker 1: That's where all of.
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  Speaker 3: Like the amazing, really amazing story is away from all
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  Speaker 3: the people. Everyone stays on the Ring Road. But if
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  Speaker 3: you want to like go have your experience in Iceland
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  Speaker 3: by yourself, you got to get into the interior.
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  Speaker 1: On the glaciers if you can. Did you guys get
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  Speaker 1: a chance to do any glacial trouble? We didn't. I
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  Speaker 1: vowed to come back and do some of that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think people go so it would be amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So what's really cool about is in the summer they're
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  Speaker 3: very they have very strict travel restrictions on their f roads.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you travel off the F Road, it's like
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  Speaker 3: a two or three five thousand dollars fine. It's rightly so,
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  Speaker 3: because the amount of rental cars and people that are
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: just driving around this place has to be very strict
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: and it's kept at pristine and you can tell where
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: back in the day when other people were just allowed
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: to drive anywhere through because it's just all Lauva gravel fields.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: There's road tracks that are twenty years old that are
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: still seen in the landscape, so you can see why
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: they did it. But then come winter, as soon as
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: you can turn a tire without disturbing the surface, pretty
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: much the whole interior of Iceland becomes which is awesome.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Hence why everybody's got the big tires. That's where it
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: comes from. It's not during the summer. It's for the winter,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: for the flotation so they can explore the whole island,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: and then that's when we should get up into the glaciers.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty fun. And spring is a great time
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: because you start to get light, but there's so much
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: snow still on the interior that you can try anywhere
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: you want. And then it still gets just dark enough
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: at night that you can still see the aurora. So
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: it's I find that. I mean, in fact, I've only
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: traveled in Iceland in the spring once in January and
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: then two other times in early spring, and that's when
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: you can cross the glaciers. The glaciers are still firm enough,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the nights are cold enough where you're not getting the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: really slushy snow. Yeah, and you can go across Vatna Yokol,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: which take days. It takes days to cross that. It's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the biggest glacier in all of Europe. It's three thousand
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: square miles. Yeah, it's huge.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we learned that from our trips in Greenland
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: that that time of year that the snow has been
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: the deepest it's been allowed to accumulate throughout the whole winter.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, it's cold enough that it's all firm.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: It's the safest time to be there. We should make
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: a plan to get out there sometime.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Iceland's very special, and even even the cities
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: are great. Like, did you guys spend some time in
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Okerreri in the north and we we didn't.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: We were you know, we had limited time shooting the
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: best movie we possibly could. Sure, we were really out
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: there as much as possible. Sure, out remote, which is
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: where we wanted to be, because we had just been
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: in mainland Europe, Sure, in Scandinavia there and in the
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Nordic countries. And so it was a juxtaposing location because
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: you went from a very very populated, very tame place
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: of Europe and then you we were like all itching
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: to be out in the middle of nowhere with nobody around.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Sure by the time, you know, five weeks in, yeah, totally.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: That's not to say that the first half of the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: trip in Scandinavia wasn't awesome. It was fantastic. Like I
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: would go back and travel there any day anytime. My
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: favorite place was probably Norway. Just being able to travel
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: beautiful is unreal.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: It is just beautiful, real, And even though you can't
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: really off road there, in fact they have very strict
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: rules around it, you almost don't need to because it's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: so beautiful.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: The same way everything is spectacular Sweden. We didn't spend
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: a lot more time in Sweden. I kind of rode
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: off Sweden a little bit when I was we were
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: traveling Trans European Trail, which is really I've had discussions
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: with that organization since, by the way, and we just
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: need to specify that that's really for two will track.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: We utilized, you know, the roads that we used are
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the roads that everyone uses to get to their houses
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: and their log cabins and stuff. Because it's all full
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: of everybody has their cabin on the lake ten Thousand
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Lakes and Sweden and Finland, so we utilize that place.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't until we got into lower southern Sweden
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: that I was like, oh, Okay, I feel like I'm
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: missed out on something here. Yeah, you go back and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: check this out. There's there's more to it here.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And there is definitely off highway travel available in Finland. Yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and did you guys get a chance to do some
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we did driving there, We did, Yeah, we did some.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: We traveled along the Russian border for a while of Finland,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: which is really fun and exciting and just interesting, especially
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: due to current political scenarios going around the world, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: just to hear all kinds of different perspectives and be
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: along the Russian border at the same time all this
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: stuff was happening. It was very interesting.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I remember is i was
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: middle of nowhere in Finland, and I'm driving along this
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: two lane road and then all of a sudden, it
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: became like an eight lane highway for like ten miles,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe five miles, and then it went back to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a two lane road. And I'm like, I researched it
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: because it was the weirdest thing, and I researched it,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and that those are like improvised runways, so they just
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: used the road and then they turned it. They just
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: create this huge concrete I've run in Australia and in
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Africa before. But it's there for defense, okay, because it
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was fairly close to the Russian border. Yeah, I wouldn't
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: come across for planes that now fly over the holes.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: If that's also part of an emergency, Oh it could
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: be too, It could be defense first. Yeah. We traveled
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: all the way up to the north.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by the Arctic regions, you know, so anytime
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you can get a of the Arctic Circle, I just
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I love it up there. There's just some magic to it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: The feeling.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It's just so different, like kind of totally. The sun doesn't.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Light doesn't look the same.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's the same thing, Like there's
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: something about the light. We're all photographers, so you're always
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: studying the light, like what's it doing? Like even here
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that like the light is thick here in flag Staff,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: You're like, but up there it's almost like this thin
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: see rist be feeling to the light ethereal Yeah, yeah.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So it's just it's kind of magical. I want to
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: go to the Artic when it's cold. It was over
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: ninety degrees every day that I was.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: In the Arctic. Yeah, that's weird. Well, but I've never
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: experienced that it could happen though. I mean, if you
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: think about it, it's just the sun never shuts off,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: or it's it's gonna keep you and everything heat soak.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It does get away if you want to hear we
• 20:45
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  Speaker 1: it up to Nordcap yep, Nordkap and I wasn't sure.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So Nordcap is the very top of a Furthest fund,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: so you can go in the world on the road. Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's certainly places above it, but that's by boat
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: or plane or helicopter that you would get there.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Or like we did in Greenland, we drove highluxes up
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, so we were almost ten degrees further
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: north latitude. Yeah, so technically we've been the further that
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't on a road. It was not on a road,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: but that's so that's what nord Gap is, the furthest
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: point north that you can drive on a road.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: And I had no idea, you know, you kind of
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: it's just this dot on the map and you get there.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: You wonder if what it will be like when you
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: actually get there, will it be as cool as you
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: think it is? And of course it's touristy and has
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: some stuff. It's very remote. It's not not really near anything,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: not at all. You got to drive up there, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: there are There just is something about these far places
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: these far dots that have magic to them as well.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: People that go there. It's really they have to have
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: a reason, you know, it's purposeful travel greed.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And historically it says that that's true too, because when
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: we got up there, I had no idea that there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: like kings that.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Have traveled there.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: There are deities of all kinds of like from all
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: over the world have made their way to this point.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know. And they used to have to.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: It's right on this cliff edge, very very steep cliff
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: and in the olden days, before the road was ever there,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: they would take a ship out to it and they would
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: dock it. Then they'd row the people to the cliffs
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: and they had fixed ropes and you had to climb
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the ropes. You know, it wasn't anything like Everest or
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: anything like that, but you know you had to use
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the ropes to get to the top to stand where
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: you can stand today. The kings would do that. Wow,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: this place has significance in history, and it feels that way.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: It feels wild.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, you do park in a parking lot and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you go to the visitor center and all that, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: then when you walk out from there to the point.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: They've done a pretty good job of making it feel wild.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: You just have that one, you know, art installation with
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the globe there. You know, it looks like Atlas is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: holding it up or something like that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a tripod or something like that with
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the metal globe on it. And now, when we were there,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: it was nasty. Yeah, you know, we were like, oh man,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: it's too bad. It's just terrible weather. But it kind
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: of actually made it very But.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That kind of makes it cools. It's an extreme place
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and experience it in extreme weather trying to find the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: little positives.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And oh, for sure it was the same way when
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: we were there, totally socked in, nasty, nasty. I'm really
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: interested in Norway and Scandinavia. That's you know, kind of
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: where I guess where my family came from, part of
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the world, and I want to do that as a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: grand touring trip. Though that's kind of I think is
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: from what I understand. It's I mean, it's very first
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: world Norway high here roads like perfect road, it's that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But like the bridges are amazing and the tunnels are amazing,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and we counted eighty six tunnels. Yeah. Wow, we went
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: through eighty six tunnels. And you think about the kind
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of money that Norway has to just be like we're
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: going to build a tunnel like twelve miles across the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: other they have that they have that fund from all
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the oil exactly.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It's their sovereign wealth fund. I think is like per capita,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: like gigantic. Yeah, one of the few countries with no debt,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: no debt. Norway is amazing. It's an unbelievable How was
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the camping?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So? Wow? Any any wild camp are you more cool? Some? Yeah?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I mean it's all kind of tucked away just right
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: off the main road here, but there's so much geography, Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: to the place that you kind of just go around
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: here and tuck in and you feel good.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: You're good, you're by yourself.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, like some nights were you in campsites that
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: you kind of had to arrange like yeah, often, I
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: mean it's your it's kind of kind of just to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: be expected.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And the further south you are in Norway, the more
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you have to do that because and a lot of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: times you want to because these campsites are at the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: end of the fjord on the water and you go
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: down and it's perfectly manicured grass, but you have this
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: view of like one of the most beautiful times.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I've really started to change my opinion on I'm going
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: to call them campgrounds or you know, even the occasional
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: RV park. Sometimes it's just nice to know when you're going,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: or where you're going, where you're sleeping. When you're gone
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: for so long, you know that that is a stressor
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting that there are there are wild places
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that you can camp, but I'm part of that experience.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: It's just they don't have off road routes with remote camping. Really, yeah,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: we're really so we're like really, really, we're fortunate. I mean,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: there's obviously a lot of places in the world that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you can do that, but I like the fact that
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It's like overlanding. And I think that's interesting is that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of times people think that you have to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: be off road and camping to be overlanding. You can
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: actually completely remove both of those components and still overland
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: around the world. You could stay in hostels, stay in lodges,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: stay in people's homes, and drive around the world without camping,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and you could also drive around the world very easily
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: without ever going onto a dirt road. So and it
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't mean that you were any less of an overlander.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: So that's what I've in my you know, comparatively limited
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: experience in Africa to you, that's what I found there
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, maybe that's the segue we should do well.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I do like the idea, you know, segueing,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: but we should we should go through. What were your
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: takeaways from the try? What were the things that worked great?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: What were the things that didn't work so well that
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you would do different?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: The things that worked great. Three truck team, eight man
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: team was good. Our camera work worked really good. That
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: on the technical side, everything seemed to work really well.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Being able to live in camper systems is definitely how
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: you will thrive in those countries because you.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Can do it. All.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Everybody is living out of rooftop tens or ground tents
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But the weather is so wild, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: it's hot and cold and rainy, windy all that. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: having the ability to live in the trucks was really nice.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Get a good night's sleep, Get a good night's sleep,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: because otherwise it compounds.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: So we were gone for the eight weeks and we
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: were thriving to the very end. We weren't exhausted. When
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: we went home. We were like, man, I feel like
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: we keep going forever, you know. So I think the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: truck choices and how they were built was really good.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: We were eating well, sleeping well, felt great. The travel
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: there is extremely easy. You know, it's all open borders.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: You drive through them like you go to Norway to
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Sweden to Finland, like you go through Montana to Wyoming
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to Colorado. Right, there's nothing to it. It's all shange
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: in agreement, shang all open. Just moved through easy, super easy.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: A bunch of closed up border posts, you know. Yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: it's just hopefully they never need them again. I went
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: in when that went into the North Norway Finland Sweden section,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: knowing that it wasn't going to be a lot off
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: road travel.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't going to be very doesn't mean that it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: not incredibly beautiful totally.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: We had been warned about it, you know, by all
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: kinds of people that travel there, and so we set
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the expectation that we're going here to really experience culture
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: history and see the beauty for what it is and
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: just love being there in that part of the world.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: And that was the best because we weren't like.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Oh man, there's just not enough dirt roads.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Were we never had that. Yeah, and we we just
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: loved it the whole time, and we knew that by
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the time we got to Iceland we'd have that that's coming,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you know. And so our trucks were definitely overbuilt for
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: being in Norway and Europe there, but they were perfectly built.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: By the time that we got to Iceland. We could
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: do anything we wanted. They weren't overbuilt for Iceland either,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: they were I think that thirty five inch tire was
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: just right. The suspension was rad the live in systems
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: because it was September when we're in Iceland. Sure it
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: was getting cold. The heaters were nice, you know. Yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I think overall it was one of our best run
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: expeditions yet.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, what changes will you make for future trips
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that you learned from that one?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: The only thing that we've done internally is we've gone
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: back down to a seven man team going into the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Africa trip, which will leave room for a guide. Having
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Torfee in Iceland was remarkable.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes a huge difference.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I definitely want to have more local people travel with
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: us more often. I think that's probably missing out by
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: not having someone local. And I remember when we went
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: through Russia with E seven, we had Andre with us,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and that was the first time that I traveled anywhere
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that had, you know, a fixer or a guide with us,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and Russia required him.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: To be with us, right, it did not require oh no, hope,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but that was a requirement that I had. It was
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like I told the rest of the team, I'm like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: we're not going across Russia with it because they just
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of English speakers. And it makes
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: it move. It makes it very very challenge. It doesn't
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: mean you can't do it, but it made it a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: lot more enjoyable because we could communicate with people. We
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: had a translator.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: We had a translator that we can communicate with the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: locals and he can fix things with the police and
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: everything else like that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So that's the first time I saw that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like that and when I look back,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: that enriched our totally a lot.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally is.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: You know, it's about the travel and the experiences that
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you're coming out with that and they compound that you
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: know you're going to learn so much more like just
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: riding around with a guy like that and being able
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to tell you everything.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And in the same way people think overlanding is this
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you have to be wild camping, you have to be
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: off road. There's also this kind of element of it,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I feel where people think that they have to be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: leading it, they have to be in controlled, they have
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to be discovering. We found in our travels some of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the best trips, some of the best food we found,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: some of the best places we found. You know, they
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: come from local knowledge and it's important.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: There's a mindset shift that I see between what we
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: call domestic overlanding and international overlanding. Yeah, domestic overlanding, we're
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: really focused on our own journey, getting out, being our
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: own little self contained unit to escape. As soon as
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: for me, you cross the border and now you are
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: a guest in another country, the perspective of you having
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: to do everything really does kind of go away. It's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: it's fun to be self reliant, yeah, yeah, but it's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: even more fun to have someone there to take you
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: through things.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And to experience the culture, to experience it. Yeah, kind
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of that's a great way to look at it. In
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the desert southwest we were in Baja probably even you're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: kind of escaping to the wild places. Whereas when I'm
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: in some new country, I want to try the food,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I want to see the museums, I want to meet
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the families. That's what I want to do.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like first time I did Southern Africa, we were
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you know, we were hellbent. We're not going to have
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a guide. We're going to do this ourselves. We're going
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to go find the animals.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It turns out, it turns out if you don't speak
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: so I Heli, and you can't be on that radio
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and listen at twelve other guys speaking to Ahili, you're
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: not going to see the animals.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like it's important. I'll take note
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, in time. Yeah, maybe these local trips
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: are to escape and the international trips are to connect. Yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and that's what we can do when we when we
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: go to a new place, we could be the guests
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of that country and connect with those people. Yep. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like that. I like all of that.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I learned that lesson also in Russia, because Russia was
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the first time that Scott had invited me to come
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: film on the East seven section of Russia, and so
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: this was like my first big international travel trip. We're
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: gone for three weeks, crossing.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Wow. You know, it's amazing.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: We stayed in people's houses, and I remember the the
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: two andres in the pole of Cold Tom Tour. We're
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: in this house and these two Russians were just at
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: the dinner table where I'm sleeping on the floor like
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: a little kid, you know, listening to grandpa and grand
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: dad talk in the kitchen kind of you know, and they're,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what they're saying, and they're
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: sharing vodka together. And then they went and they got
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: knives and they traded knives at the table and I'm
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: just sitting there like watching this whole cultural experience happen,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: and I was like, this is fantastic.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: It had like a tank in his It was a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: hard tank. He was so proud of his tank, just
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: like the dude just had a tank. It's amazing attract
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: tank exactly. I want more of that stuff. There's a
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: remote things, and there's the camping and all that stuff.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Those things that I look back and I'm very fond
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: of in my memory.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I think my favorite one of my favorite things from
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that trip was you just seeing how insane the driving was,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Like you happen to recalibrate to like we have a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: good chance of dying, Like you're in Russia, You're not
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: going to It's not going to be some bandido or
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: whatever else. It is going to be that you were
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: going to die on the highway. That's what. The only
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: thing in Russia that's going to kill you is some
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: dude in a seven Series going one hundred and sixty
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: kilometers an hour.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: It was insane and I don't think have been anywhere since.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is that insane. Of the top five times
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: in all of my travels that I nearly died, three
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of them were in Russia's that's amazing.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And Clay was in the car with me for several years.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: We well remember the bridge where the guy was passing
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: on the bridge, Yes, I don't know how I didn't
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: run into the guard rain or when we were coming
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: around the corner, I'm drifting sideways and then here comes
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: an Audi drifting sideways the other way the other way,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and I did like this momentary skin maybe and flick
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: that like brought me around yeah, and Clay was like
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: looking over me, like what.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You're just in the wrong side of the road, in
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the wrong seat. You know, you are a hand drive
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and you're just like you were staring at that at
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that car coming at you.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Sounds fun, but I might take the train. Well, let's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: let's talk about what's next, Clay. We're super excited to
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: hear about what's coming up.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: We just announced for season six we're heading to Southern Africa,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: so we'll be South Africa, Lesotho, Botswana, Namibia right now.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: We might travel to other places. We'll just see. We
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: kind of got to get boots on the ground there
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: and just see how it all feels.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Swaziland will be another to Swaziland. I would love
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to get there. I'll just send you some tracks on
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that love knock out more countries if you can, just
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to even be there for a day or experience something
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: for a little while. And they're different, They really are different.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Namibia is so different from Swaziland and both in super
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: cool ways.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. I've only been to Uganda. Shelley has
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: my wife, has been around Botswana and Zimbabwe, and but
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: she was there with like land Rover team and five
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: years ago or something.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But we or something.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we haven't really been here, and
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: this year we're taking my whole family. All my boys
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: are going. That's awesome, Cyrus. My oldest will be with
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: me at least the entire time. But the other two boys,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't decided at this point. I'm like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: let's all go for the whole time. You know, it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: only two months.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yep, let's do it. Look at where they're going to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: be learning, Like, it's one thing to look at an
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: elephant and a textbook, it's another thing to actually sit there,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: to come across an elephant.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And I've never had these experiences. Yeah, I know you
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: guys have, and I can see it in your eyes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Come over. I'm intimidated already. It's amazing. They are so big,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they're so it's wonderful. It's wonderful.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I can't wait. So, yeah, we we will be traveling.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: We want to see animals, of course, but we want
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: to get remote. We want to try to see far
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: off places. I want to be off the grid as
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: much as I can, because that that, to me, is
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the big adventure of it all. And there's plenty of
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: opportunity for that, I've been reading or listening to the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: River of Doubt. I've heard of that book, Teddy Roosevelt's
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Epic Voyage down the River of Doubt, and it's got
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: me jones and for a big adventure.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: So we'll see not to he almost he almost died
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: on that one, very close. We want to epic that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he basically was telling his son, you know, like
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: this is how I want you to handle my body
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and everything else.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Exactly like yeah, and he wasn't in great shape either.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: He was in tough shape, older, older in life. So anyway,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of feel I want to go hit up.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: You starting souff, think what time of year you think
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you're going to be there.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So we'll be there in a month and a half,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: so July through.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Oh so you're leaving, like yeah, all trucks have already shipped.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Who talked about there's a good chance we might have
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: another podcast together in South As.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: That would be amazing. Yeah, So that the fleet is
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: our twenty twenty one Tacoma. It's nothing new Tacoma. I
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: couldn't get it in time just due to manufacturing and
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: then our tundra that we took to Norway and the
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: new Sequoia. So we've got a hybrid on this trip.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested to throw it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I keep looking at them when I drive by the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Toyota dealer on my way home, and I'm.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, what kind of like that?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sequoia has like it has it has a
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: bit of baggage kind of with like the previous generation
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: just wasn't a great car, but yeah, one the new
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: one looks fantastic. I mean, I mean, I don't really
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: know what the difference is between that a land Cruiser
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: is anymore.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You're talking same chassis, same chassis, just a little longer,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: a little yeah, same same componentry.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: You You could almost argue that the only way, like
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: let's say a two hundred series got better, will be
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more room inside because they're not
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: that long actually wide.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Only one hundred more tool based on so that'll be interesting. Yeah,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: these are pretty long.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: When you sit in a Sequoia and you look in
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the rear view mirror, it's like, whoa, the backglasses quite
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: a ways back there, because it feels like a suburban,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Like you're going to look in the back of suburban.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It's pretty big. The turning radius and stuff is reduced.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's probably one of its weaker area areas.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Now that we've lifted it and it's on thirty five
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: inch tires, stuff, the ground clearance.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: All that's going to be so bid. It's going to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: be so good. It'll be great for AFRI you.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So we uh, the smaller tank is what we're considering
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: is probably our biggest weakness right now because as we've
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: done short distance trips, as soon as you hit the interstate,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you're not really in the hybrid, you're not utilizing hybrid.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: So now you're down to a twenty one gallon tank
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and you're just burning up fuel. So we're carrying a
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: fuel trailer due to recommendations, so we had to figure.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Out a way the trailer behind the Sequoia Sequoia Well,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: so there's an interesting upside to that, and this is
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: where you can take advantage of that hybrid power train,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: is that anytime you're descending, you're regenting power back into
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the battery system for you to be then able to
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: use it when you climb. Yeah, so hybrids or electric
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: vehicles actually do very well off road when there's if
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you're on level round with sand bad news, right, because
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you're not getting any of the benefit. But if you're
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: climbing and descending and climbing and descending, you're constantly rejenting
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: power back into the vehicle that you can then use
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to make the next climb with. So you'll find that
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it actually does pretty well in those scenarios.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to figure out the fuel formula.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, how does this work? You know, where are
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: the advantages and disadvantages of this. It's a massive experiment. Yeah, sure,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: which is fun, and you're just other than the Skeleton coast,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you're just not going to have an infrastructure problem. There
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: just isn't that much. And I think there's fuel and
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: movie Bay now there's fuel.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're just doing the really remote stuff, which
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you know that you probably need four or five hundred
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: kilometer range six hundred klometer range made. How big is
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the take? Twenty one gallons? Twenty one gallons that's pikito. Yeah,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it's a Pikito for a big truck.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: So we built an at trailer had a trailer from
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Mario one of the last Chasers.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Oh Man Chaser Classic. Yeah, so that's perfect.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: We put we ordered a I think it was from
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: one of the truck surplus sites. We ordered a one
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: hundred gallon toolbox fuel tank.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Well that's smart because they don't have to all of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: these jerry cans and think of all the mounts for
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: all of those things.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we learned these things in Greenland, you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: like just pull up and fuel up, you know, instead
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: of having to put all that weight across all the
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: different trucks and figure out those systems. We put one
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: big tank, which your eggs are in one basket, so
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: to speak. But it should be fine. We should be fine.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: We beefed up the axles and we got extra hubs,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: we got extra shocks.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Would you remove the lid then, so the.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Lid has in the top of the lid is a toolbox,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: so it doesn't look like a fuel tank.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: No, I mean the lid of the trailer the chaser, does.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: It have it? So? Yeah? But no, so this is
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: just a flatbed version of it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I called everybody wants a flat yeah in
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the chaser.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if there's that many out there.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: There's not. There's not. I have like two friends that
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: have them, and I'm like, I know, you better let
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: me know. It's one of my favorite things. Yeah, haul
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: your motorcycles, haul whatever you want, go to home depot
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: works for all that. And it weighs nothing, really lightweight,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: so oh that's awesome. That's a great choice.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: We kept it super light. It's under gv W four
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: it's weight ratings, and put it put it at the
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: back of the of the convoy. Because the one thing
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: in Africa that gets you in trouble with the trailer
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: charging elephants, gotcha, So you can't work up.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: That's right. You cannot back up fast enough. So when
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: they start trumpeting and charging, you know, keep some space
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and then allow those first two vehicles to give that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: animal the space that it needs. That's right. So if
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you got your trailer in the front and here comes
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the elephant out of the out of the tall grass,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: staring you down on the road, you're just not going
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to be able to back up quickly enough. Yeah. And
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: that's such a short wheelbase trailer. Yeah, you don't have that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I'm fast, it's not fast. You just don't back it up.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You just make a you turn so that you really
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: would just have to turn and burn, which hopefully you'd
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: be able to right, So you just stick that stick
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: that trailer at the back. Well, we wanted an adventure.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It sounds like we're going to get it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: You're oh, absolutely. I mean Africa is the place. Yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it is the place. It's it's my EXPERIMENTI it becomes
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: kind of my new happy place. Everybody's got me. You
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: can camp, you can stay in a five star hotel anywhere.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I mean you have. They make rose there. Well, and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: it's South Africa and it's so cheap.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: On my honeymoon. They're handing any bottles of it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, drinking rose in the back of the Safari car
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: roll looking at like leopards.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of straight out of the bottle. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: hope to be shrinking a rose looking out of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: back of my car. Yeah, in Africa. Yeah, so we're excited.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Well that sounds fantastic. So you've got three vehicles going,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: You've got a trailer going, you got a seven person
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: crew with the opportunity to add some local guides along
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to support, which I think will make a big difference.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: The one thing that I noticed with locals is that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: their their vision is attuned to the animals. So like
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: when we would go with Jess from Easy on out
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: on a Safaria. I would not I would not be
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: seeing anything, and he'd be like, Oh, there's the leopard
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: right underneath the bush over there, and then you point,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and I'd be looking, and I have really good eyesight.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm looking and looking, and then finally it would whip
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a tail or something and then I would see it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: But he saw it just driving down the road. You know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the locals that get into the bush a lot are well,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: are well tuned to seeing the animals like you see
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: a deer or an elk, because you're used to your environment,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, when the animal stands out, you've become
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: an attem to it. So the locals really help for that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Sounds amazing. Sounds amazing. Well, what else is going on, Clay?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You've got the Overlander Network? Yeah, so this is you've
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: been running.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've kind of done some business restructuring with X Overland.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: So we've had the Overlander Network, We've had the Overlander
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: clothing line. We've had all kinds of different things that
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: we were trying to do, and this year we just said,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you know what, We're going to pull it all under
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: one house, all one brand managed one thing, so we
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: pulled the network. It's now the ex Overland Network now
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: and x Overerlin's website EXU Overland Film Fest all that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: It's all under one house. Nice, which when we did that,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: it was like a breath freshure. Okay, we're focusing on
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: one thing. We got it dialed. So that's kind of
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: the big news. We're working hard on the network.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And I saw that you just added another series. We've
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: got four.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Four new series that we're working on right now. So
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: we've got Destin Glory, Richard Nashley are out shooting right now.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: They shoot, they produce an episode about once a month
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: or so as they travel and do their thing. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: then we've got an eight part cooking show coming out
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: with Gone Dirton called Gone Cooking Cool and we're having fun. Yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: And it's just trying to build the best high end
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: content that we possibly can on the network because that's
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: the place where we can get rewarded building really high
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: end content for YouTube.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: It's it's space. YouTube just seems exhausting. It is exhausting.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: It's we call it the hamster wheel, you know, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you're the reel of death. Yeah, it's just chasing everything
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and so really high end quality stuff isn't rewarded. So
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: we're trying to be that place and produce really good
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: online content. But it's behind a paywall. But that's how
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: it gets done, you know.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Let's yeah, you can't. It's not fair for people to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: expect you to do it for free because it costs
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of money to produce. Well, I know, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: need to get my subscription. So we've got all kinds
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of stuff going with. You guys. Have a great podcast.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: You guys are doing great on that, thank you. Yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I got podcast takes over the podcasts as well, so
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you guys are doing awesome work. It's always just such
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a pleasure to see Clay and see your family and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: see how well you guys are doing. Thank you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah you too, you too. I haven't seen you in
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a while. Man, it's been so we've been chatting back
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: and forth. It's good to sit down together, Clay.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Anything else you want to share with the audience, Any
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: any updates you want to want to give us.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: No, we're just kind of cranking on, working hard to
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: build the best brand we possibly can. Thanks to everybody
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: who watches our stuff, listens to our things and encourages
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: us and gives us good feedback on stuff. I really
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: appreciate that. Thanks for letting us do what we do,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: you know. And yeah, I'm just very thankful for everybody
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: out there listening.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Now. Well, we're thankful for you, Clay, and we're thankful
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: for all of you for listening, and we'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: you next time. Next time,