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EXCLUSIVE: Kenya Moore Interview Pt. 1 · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: Rain drops.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this woman, and it's not only my sister,
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  Speaker 1: she's my friend.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't use the F word loosely. No, you
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  Speaker 2: don't you know? I love listen. I love the girls. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I love all the girls.
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  Speaker 1: I don't keep in touch with all of them though, No, Shay,
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  Speaker 1: there's a few. Yes, and you, I mean you know
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  Speaker 1: how much I love you.
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  Speaker 2: I love you the same so do the other girls.
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  Speaker 2: But to know that.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, my Late Night showed the nightcap Kenya
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  Speaker 1: was confirmed there was a COVID situation going on.
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  Speaker 2: I had to reschedule.
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  Speaker 1: She said, I want to do it, my bitch, I
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  Speaker 1: have an international fly. I got and I said, it
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  Speaker 1: ain't your fault. But again, God has the perfect timing
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  Speaker 1: for everything. I want to thank you for coming on
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  Speaker 1: my podcast doing your.
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  Speaker 2: Face to face. You are by far too I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you, we need the in person thing,
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  Speaker 3: not the computer barrier. It's just weird for me, like
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  Speaker 3: our chemistry is in person.
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  Speaker 2: No, it really is. It really is. So everyone welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you the living legend this USA. I mean she
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  Speaker 2: puts the.
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  Speaker 1: Lebrity in Bravo Leberty Chocolate queen. I mean this woman,
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  Speaker 1: her and portsche saved the franchise from sinking.
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  Speaker 2: I said it before and I'll say it again. Thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Give it up for Kenya the icon Morey.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, let's get started. Thank you to my
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  Speaker 2: three fans that are means everything to me.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about you before housewives, because what I want
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  Speaker 1: to remind people is you were that girl before there
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  Speaker 1: were ever a reality show, a Bravo network, a housewife,
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  Speaker 1: a peace to hold.
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  Speaker 2: Any of those things.
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  Speaker 1: You are a dark skinned black girl from Detroit, Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: Come on Detroit, Okay, what up dough? What up dough?
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  Speaker 1: Our hometown, and you have a mask, this empire for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Take me back to the time when you knew inherently
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  Speaker 1: right that I meant to be something special.
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  Speaker 2: When did you know that? Oh gosh, that's so weird.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever knew it. I just
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  Speaker 3: knew that my life was different. I felt like my
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  Speaker 3: life that I was living was different from a lot
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  Speaker 3: of other kids around me. And I felt like the
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  Speaker 3: all of the adversity that came my way dealing with
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  Speaker 3: my mom, who could have easily destroyed me, like literally,
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  Speaker 3: she told me she would destroy me to my face.
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  Speaker 3: My mother said that to me, She said, I will
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  Speaker 3: dog you for the rest of your.
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  Speaker 2: Life to my face. How old were you?
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  Speaker 3: I was about I had to be. That was when
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  Speaker 3: I was hiding in my my mother's closet. I had
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  Speaker 3: pre recorded something because she wouldn't talk to me, and
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to get her to speak to me,
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  Speaker 3: and my cousin and I pre recorded on the little
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  Speaker 3: tape cassettes and I hid in her closet of my
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  Speaker 3: grandmother's home, her mom, hoping that when she came home,
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  Speaker 3: I could just press play she would listen. And I
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  Speaker 3: poured my heart out, like just saying, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: to speak to me. You don't have to you know,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have to be friends. You know, you don't
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  Speaker 3: have to call me your daughter, But can can you
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  Speaker 3: least speak to me acknowledge me? You know, let's try
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  Speaker 3: to have a friendship. And when she came home, my
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  Speaker 3: cousin buried me in the closet, you know, like put
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  Speaker 3: all the clothes things.
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  Speaker 2: So I was hidden in her closet.
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  Speaker 3: And when she came home, I remember my heart was
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  Speaker 3: just beating out of my chest. And I think it
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  Speaker 3: was around twelve eleven twelve, I think, and.
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  Speaker 2: She came in. She was she figured out what was
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  Speaker 2: going on.
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  Speaker 3: She you know, she was like, who is there? You know,
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  Speaker 3: She's opened the closet door. She pulled all the clothes
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  Speaker 3: and things off of me, grabbed me out of there,
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  Speaker 3: took the recording, and she was livid.
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  Speaker 2: She was living.
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  Speaker 3: My grandmother was home, it was her mom, and they
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  Speaker 3: she told me, you know, I don't have a daughter.
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  Speaker 3: She pretended like, you know, I didn't exist, but she
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  Speaker 3: was livid. She had a conversation with my grandmother, her mom,
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  Speaker 3: and she told her mother to her face, I've never
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  Speaker 3: had a child. She was like, I've never had a child.
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  Speaker 3: And my grandmother, for the first time ever in my life,
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  Speaker 3: I saw her take up for me, like why can't
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  Speaker 3: you just speak to her? Why do you have to
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  Speaker 3: treat her that way? And my mother was like, I've
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  Speaker 3: never had a child. I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: They were arguing and I just remember crying. My cousin
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  Speaker 3: was crying, and after she was done speaking to my mom,
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  Speaker 3: her mother, she came to me and she said, I
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  Speaker 3: will dog you for the rest of your life. She
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  Speaker 3: was like, I will never be your friend. I will
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  Speaker 3: dog you for that.
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  Speaker 2: I will never forget those words. And that was.
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  Speaker 3: You know, After that, I think just to just left
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  Speaker 3: me feeling like that's the end of it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was the end of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know what happened to me, but over time,
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  Speaker 3: I think I just developed like this thick skin that
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  Speaker 3: said I'm going to show her wrong, like you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to destroy me, and she tried everything that she
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  Speaker 3: could try. I remember the first pageant later that I
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  Speaker 3: ever want.
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  Speaker 2: It was called Little Let Me. I'm gonna get this wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Miss black Star was my first one, little Miss black Star,
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  Speaker 3: and then the second one.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember the name right now because I'm getting old.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember the mine other.
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  Speaker 3: It is not as good, definitely failing me at time,
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  Speaker 3: but I remember it was so crazy because I remember
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  Speaker 3: I won my second pageant, so I was I was sixteen,
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  Speaker 3: and that pageant you didn't have to reveal your age,
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  Speaker 3: so the first one you did, I was fourteen thirteen
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  Speaker 3: or fourteen thirteen. So the second one I entered, I won,
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  Speaker 3: and I was dating someone in high school that was
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  Speaker 3: very wrong. But he was a predator eleven years my senior.
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  Speaker 2: So I was sixteen. He wasn't a student as twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: He was twenty seven years old. He was a faculty member.
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  Speaker 3: He was a predator who followed me home from school,
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  Speaker 3: which a lot of the boys because I looked so
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  Speaker 3: much older.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was tall, I.
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  Speaker 3: Was you know, athletic, curry all that. So no he
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  Speaker 3: met me outside of school. And so anyway, my mother
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  Speaker 3: was calling the pageant director and was telling her I
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  Speaker 3: was an alcoholic, I was dating this older man, I
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  Speaker 3: was all of these horrible things, and that I should
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  Speaker 3: not be her beauty queen. I was a horrible representation,
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  Speaker 3: and she tried to get my crown taken away. And
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  Speaker 3: I remember having this meeting with both of my grandmothers
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  Speaker 3: being there with her name was Rosa Robinson and my grandmother.
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  Speaker 3: Both of my grandmothers had to come and it was
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  Speaker 3: like a trial, and I was on trial to I
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  Speaker 3: need to keep my first crown that I ever ever won,
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  Speaker 3: and it was all because of my grandmother. I have
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  Speaker 3: all the proof, the letters, I have everything in my
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  Speaker 3: safety to positive box.
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  Speaker 2: But that was all a.
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  Speaker 3: Part of my memoir. So hopefully one day we'll.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, we need to see it. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to go back a little bit in terms of what changed. So,
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  Speaker 1: your mother had you when she was a teenager. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: she was six, She.
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  Speaker 3: Was around sixteen, fifteen sixty.
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  Speaker 2: She was on fifteen sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: We know tons of my dad too, right, your parents
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  Speaker 1: were teenagers who I considered the Beyonce of the church.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Dix Roberts had a baby at fourteen, So I
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  Speaker 1: want to be everyone's different, But I know having a baby.
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  Speaker 3: Black community seventies, it was not their first, not minor,
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  Speaker 3: well minor, but teenage pregnancy in the family.
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  Speaker 2: It was their second. It was their second.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, did the pregnancy her to become reclusive because of
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  Speaker 1: the time that had happened, That's.
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  Speaker 3: A good question. She was always a recluse to me.
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  Speaker 3: She would always be in her room. The mother that
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  Speaker 3: I knew that I would observe and what I have
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  Speaker 3: been told, she was never someone who was out and partying.
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  Speaker 3: She was always in her room. But I know her
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  Speaker 3: post me. You know her post baby. So I can't
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  Speaker 3: answer that. I only can answer what I personally is.
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  Speaker 3: And you know some of what people have said, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I think it's deeper than that. And I
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  Speaker 3: really wish in my lifetime that her story would be
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  Speaker 3: told because we don't know the full story.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's a form of Do you think
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  Speaker 1: she's suffering through some form of mental illness?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: That's why I study psychology because I wanted to find
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  Speaker 3: out what was wrong with my mother. It was my
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  Speaker 3: only passion in life at the time. I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: know what would make a person look their own child
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  Speaker 3: in the face and say you.
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  Speaker 2: Are not mine.
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  Speaker 3: I never had you, and was confident like in her
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  Speaker 3: eyes she meant that.
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  Speaker 1: And by her trying to block your crown, get it
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  Speaker 1: taken away.
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  Speaker 3: She Oh, that was just one a minute. That was
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  Speaker 3: the one thing that I cited. But there was a
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  Speaker 3: history of her literally trying to destroy me.
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  Speaker 2: That was her.
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  Speaker 1: Mission when you came to her house season seven or eight,
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  Speaker 1: I believe one of those. Did she ever say anything
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  Speaker 1: to a founding member about you doing that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, my aunt Laurie, Yeah, my aunt Laurie got
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  Speaker 3: all the smoke. Yeah, she basically and as you saw,
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  Speaker 3: my Aunt Laurie agreed with her, like just leave her alone.
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  Speaker 2: That's her house.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she doesn't want to have a relationship with you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she doesn't have to. And the viewers one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent loved LORII. After that scene, they were like
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  Speaker 3: they hated her, not hated.
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  Speaker 2: But no, they were disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: They were disappointed because it's like, how are you going
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  Speaker 3: to tell this child that she cannot seek a relationship
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  Speaker 3: or answers from her own mother? And it was it
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  Speaker 3: was It was a crucial time in my family's life
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  Speaker 3: and I've always felt that nobody was ever on my side.
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  Speaker 3: No one ever fought.
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  Speaker 2: From me to chut oh you know, Oprah like, no,
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  Speaker 2: we do no. The thing is this as you do that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say this for the record, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say this on the record. This is the
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  Speaker 1: Kenya who I know. This is the King who I
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  Speaker 1: talk to. You and I have tons of fun shape conversations.
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  Speaker 1: The majority of our conversations. I know you're vulnerable. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I'm so I'm going to say it,
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I get so disappointed in what happens
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  Speaker 1: to you on the show is because I'm like, she's
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  Speaker 1: not a one trick pony. She knows how to give
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  Speaker 1: y'all share. She could do it to her sleep. She
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  Speaker 1: knows how to be whimsical and twirl. But the Kingyam
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  Speaker 1: Moore that I know is a woman who is vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: My mom died of cancer. Kenya Moore surprised me, flew
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  Speaker 1: to Detroit and attended my mother's funeral. She did not
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  Speaker 1: have to have to do that. That's the Kenya Moore.
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  Speaker 1: I want the world to know and I want the
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  Speaker 1: world to see this because my job on this earth
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  Speaker 1: is to create safe spaces and to provide clarity for
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  Speaker 1: people like you, who I feel like are some misunderstood
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  Speaker 1: and I want to let the world know that when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to you, imagine being a girl. You're a girl,
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  Speaker 1: and every girl's best friend is their mom. And to
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  Speaker 1: grow up knowing that you're trying to navigate through life
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  Speaker 1: as a girl and the one man who gave birth
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  Speaker 1: to you, it is ostracizing you. And I always said
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  Speaker 1: to the world, and that's why I appreciated you and
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  Speaker 1: your father being so honest about this story as we
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  Speaker 1: were filming bra Housewives, is because I'm like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to give context to Kenya the woman, and my job
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  Speaker 1: is to showcase the complexities of you.
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  Speaker 2: Women and men on the show too.
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  Speaker 1: But people on reality because they only watch forty two
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  Speaker 1: minutes a week, six months out of the year, and
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  Speaker 1: they feel like they know you. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go on record saying this, I think you are by
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  Speaker 1: far the number one most misunderstood reality star because people
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  Speaker 1: think you are mean, a bitch, vicious of villain evil,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and none of those words is what I
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  Speaker 1: use to describe you, and those were I don't use.
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  Speaker 2: When I talk to God.
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  Speaker 1: About you, and I'm happy that you're comfortable sharing that,
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  Speaker 1: but no, we're gonna, we're gonna, you know, get through that.
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  Speaker 2: But I had to let the world know that. Imagine
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  Speaker 2: being that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like this that obviously shaped you to
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  Speaker 1: be the strong woman you are today?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent. I just think that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I had my grandmother. I had my grandmother who raised
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  Speaker 3: me from three days old, who wanted me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and as I feel like my grandmother was a saint
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  Speaker 3: and everything that I am, that is who I am
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  Speaker 3: from my core, is because of my grandmother. She was
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  Speaker 3: just the most beautiful person, and she gave me all
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  Speaker 3: of those things that a mother is supposed to give
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  Speaker 3: a child, confidence, self esteem, you know, love, She cherished me.
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  Speaker 2: She lit up when I walked into the room.
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  Speaker 3: And she told me I can do anything, I can
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  Speaker 3: be anything. How smart it was, I mean, that was
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  Speaker 3: just like she would always praise me for being smart.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't because I was beautiful that she thought in
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  Speaker 3: her eyes. Yeah, it was because you know, when I
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  Speaker 3: would come home, I was a gifted student. I was
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  Speaker 3: you know, we know what, I'm smart. Okay, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: the smartest person in the world. But I'm far from
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  Speaker 3: the dumbest.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're smartest.
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  Speaker 1: That's the bason why some of the girls hate you,
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  Speaker 1: because it's like, not only is this bitch beautiful, she
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  Speaker 1: had to be smart and not to cut you off.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite moment when me and the producer realize.
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  Speaker 2: King is too smart for her own good. It was
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  Speaker 2: season seven.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff had a consting session with all the housewives.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that session. You used the word I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard at that time.
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  Speaker 1: You said, Portia, you are a revisionist historian.
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  Speaker 2: The producer said, what the fuck does that mean? And
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  Speaker 2: we looked at her and said, this pitch is so
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  Speaker 2: smart that the.
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  Speaker 1: Housewives the producers read the said resiness historian.
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  Speaker 2: You're you're you're super smart history. It's not how it happened.
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  Speaker 2: We're revising history. It's okay, it's okay smart.
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  Speaker 3: That's a damn you are.
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  Speaker 2: You would not be thriving, honey, Come on now. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I love humility though, that's it's cute.
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  Speaker 3: It's cute jinks again. No, I think because of everything
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  Speaker 3: that happened, you know, I think people make a choice.
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  Speaker 3: If they can't, it's fight or flight, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that I just had from Doris Grant. She instilled in
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  Speaker 3: me to fight, and that is why I'm a fighter
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  Speaker 3: by nature.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a lover. I want everyone to get along. I
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  Speaker 2: love to laugh. I'm a happy person.
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  Speaker 3: But bitch, when you come for me, now you're challenging me,
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  Speaker 3: and now I have to fight, and I will give
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  Speaker 3: you everything that I have. And sometimes that is perceived
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  Speaker 3: as evil or because my rebuttals are always so lethal
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  Speaker 3: that they forget about what the other person did to me.
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  Speaker 3: But when you forgot this person literally just try to
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  Speaker 3: spit on me, or this person just trying to kill me,
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  Speaker 3: or this person just said the most horrible things to me,
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  Speaker 3: all you can see is the strategic or the way
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  Speaker 3: that I respond. And it's not fair because they just
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  Speaker 3: forget about what people have done to me, and it's
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  Speaker 3: not nice.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of that has to do
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  Speaker 1: with colorism? You are a chocolate yeah, black woman.
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  Speaker 3: I know that's come up a lot as of late,
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  Speaker 3: and I definitely see that there is a choice being made.
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  Speaker 2: And how to respond to people that look like me.
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  Speaker 2: You Candace Dela Bassett, Yes, chocolate, chocolate, Yeah, yeah, undeniably chocolate.
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  Speaker 2: Candace A.
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  Speaker 1: Wordsmith smart, a pageant girl, yes, read the Girls for films. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they want her out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You you also, they can't take us. They can't
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  Speaker 2: take us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate, but I have seen a lot of
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: that on these shows I have. It's it's not a lie,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: it's not made of it's not a perception.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It is a reality.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Speaking of reality, you went from Miss Usa. Yeah, the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: second black woman in the history. You are in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: history books. You have acted everything from Waiting to Excel
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to Martin the Jamie Fox Show. You created movies with
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Will Packard, Twah Honey.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: More Vision Media produced it. Yes, you are. By the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: time You're More. I was your More at the time.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, before we get to your reality trajectory, when you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: were a self made producer, what was your vision for
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: your life? Did you think, like, okay, before those are
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Shonda Rhimes, Isa Ray, Ava Dumanet, Kenya Moore picked up
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a camera a call sheet.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Lena, I learned the business
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: from the other side of the camera because I'm a creative,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. Yes, I'm in front
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: of the camera, but my love is creating I was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: in cast tech.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I was a performing arts major.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I loved anything having to do with radio or performing,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: any dance, cheerleading. I was a part of all of
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: that and it was a love of mine. So I'm
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: kind of split down the middle. I love psychology, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: love to think, I love being analytical, but I also
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: loved creating and for me, creating content, movies, videos, whatever
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do. It was a creative outlet for me.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: So it's still a passion. It's a creative passion. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I wanted to I was frustrated in things that were
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: going on, and I said, you know what, I can
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: do this, I can create my own content. Let me
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: learn from the best. So I started. I think my
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: first credit producing was on TOA and that was alongside
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Will Packer. You know where his career is now, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: please ask Will Packer why he's not hired me again?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Oh Will Packer, you know I love you know I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: love you and Heather Packer, thank.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You for being up behind every man.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So we follow each other on Instagram and we.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Have a love for each other.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Brother, I need to know why you ain't hiring Kenya
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Icon Summer Legend more may have.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Been responsible for putting him on the map. Did I
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: say that out loud? Did I say that out loud?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Did I say that allegedly?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yes? Pick up your allegedly T shirts or Carlins kingshop
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: dot com.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So we'll Packer, we need you to.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Let's have a meeting because this is you. Guys don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: know this. Me and Kenya talk, if not once a week,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: every other week, even when she's filming.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So one of the things that I've always.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Asked Kenya, I'm like, because she's my girl, I'm like, Yo,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: can we produce a reboot a twah? What are we doing?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I said, I can call Bill Packer. I want a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: reboot of that movie? So, Kenya, why can't we do it?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Can we do it?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Well, we can do it. Do we want to use
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: twa in the title?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, they owe that, But if we did it
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: on our own and did a iteration of it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And I think we will be safe. Can I tell
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: you my dream? No? No, my dream for you? I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: never said this to you. Oh okay, tell me.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I want you and I yes to create a show, yes,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a drama like Melrose Place, Oh yes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And I want you.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: To play the character like Heather Amanda, I want you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to be like a man.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to do that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: You are you would kill a dramatic role as a sexy,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: hot villain.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love it, a black Melrose place. Let's do it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I can write it, yes, and I can.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Produce it, and we can both be the creators and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I can finance this.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: We'll talk later, you know. Tonight I'm gonna start writing it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I am doing okay, yes, and we're going to copyright it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So and I are going to co create a scripted
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: drama and the likes of a Merrose play, write the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: pilot and you're You're okay, But you have to start
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: as like the sexy villain, like the heathern lock Layer.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I've always called you the black head.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Lock And in that meeting at where were we mastros, yes,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: you said that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I remember. That's how good my memory is now. I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: don't mit. That's the thing. I don't lit im mad.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: You can't be the heather Locklier of reality TV.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You could be a one hit wonder and go away
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: like you can't.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Do yeah, no, no, remember, but you are the heather
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: lock Layer of reality TV. Meaning heather lock Layer would
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: come on a show that needed some life and resurrect
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it and say that. And you did that to the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, thank you you.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I've said this to you privately
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I shared that publicly recently is because when I worked
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: on season four of the show, I felt like something's missing,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: something's off. I didn't understand what it was. I was
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: still a young producer. I felt something was off. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: left the show after season four. You came on season five.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I did not do season five. However, I was contacted
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: weekly by the producers and people in Atlanta. This is
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a true story, and she knows this. And they all said,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you don't know what you're missing. And I said, what
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: do you mean this? Kenya Moore is twirling her ass
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: all over the screen and she is causing a ruckus over.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what are you talking about? They said, Carlos,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like it. It's like a tsunami,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like she's going crazy. I want to talk to you
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: about this before we get to your introduction to that show. Yes,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: here you are in Hollywood producing acting. I know the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: story could be talked privately, but I love this story.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So much, and you never shared the publicly your.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Decision into going into reality And if I may, the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: one thing you said to me and I never share
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: this to you, it made me. It made me leave Housewives,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: meaning it was part of my reasons of.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I know what you're gonna say.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: You said, Carlos, it was like groundhog Day. I was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over and over, pilot season.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I'm in la I'm trying to finance this, produce that.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And you said I just needed something different. I needed
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: something different, And you drove to Atlanta and decided to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: embark on reality television. Talk to the world about where
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you were at that time of your life.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I just felt like it was stagnant. My
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: life was stagnant. I was in my thirties, had multiple
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: back to back long term relationships. Of course mini proposals,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: so now I had relationships like three years, four years,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: almost got married. In one of those relationships celebrity men.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: He was I would say he was a celebrity one.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: The other one was an agent, non celebrity. And I
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: just became like a person who stayed at home so much.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I would work, work, work, kept my head down, booked,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: a job here and there, kept the light built, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: paid and on my own home at twenty six years old,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: had my own home in California. I just I just
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: felt like I was like you said Groundhog's Day, I'm
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: My life is not changing.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's okay, it's a decent life, but it's not changing.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And I wanted something different.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And there's a Bible saying leap and there will be
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: a net, yes, And that is how I felt. I
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: felt like I have family there. My aunt was there,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: my cousin who I was very close to, and my
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: other cousin was there, and I had one of my
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: best friends was there from right and I said, you
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: know what I'm going to I'm going to take this
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: leap and wherever I fall is where I fall. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: as soon as the work got out that I was
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: moving to Atlanta, I was very good. Judy at my
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Laurence told the producers.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And then one of them was Joy.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: And then the rest is history from there. And I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: remember having a conversation with Joy and she was like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: this girl is either crazy or I was just talking
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: to her like yeah, because I'm you know, I was
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: just like very myself, like I didn't know what I
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: was doing. I did not know about reality TV. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: had only seen a few episodes of the show.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: It was early on.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: It was like and I remember when Lawrence told me
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that they were even developing the show. I was like, Oh,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that's not gonna work. I remember telling him that because
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know why. I just felt like he told
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: me who the cast. He was like, oh, they think
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: about doing in the show, and da da da, And
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's not gonna work. And I
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: just I remember telling him that before the show ever aired.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Yes, yes, So fast forward to the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: show was airing. It did.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: It was funny, you know. I saw a few episodes.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I remember not liking a.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Few of the characters.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I did not like men. I did not
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: like Meani. I don't know why. I did not like her.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: She was loud, she was brash.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, you know, but yeah, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I changed, you know, after I got on the show
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and we we you know, my first season on the show,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I had Thanksgiving at her house.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Like I remember that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it changed, Yeah, because you got to you
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: have to get to know people versus what.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: You see on TV.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's the whole reason why I appreciated
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the top of our conversation because it's allowing people to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: see the real you because they only see a chop
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: down version of.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: It and what the editors choose.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: To show.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Allegedly as we're seeing this season allegedly hey flashbacks. So anyways, Okay,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: when you were starting out not auditioning, so I want
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to explain to people how it works. It worked back
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: then then because anybody could get No Housewives is no longer.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: At one point in time, the Real Housewives of Atlanta
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was a so Whole House membership.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was it. You better say that again.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Some people don't know who SOHO housees, so maybe explain.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, so SOHO House is a all.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It is an exclusive club.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It's a top tier restaurant, lounge, celebrity grim and there's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: one of us Hollywood, Miami.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Now before it was just LA.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just LA, but now they have LA
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: New York, Miami, London, London and all of the world now.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: But you got to pay like five thousand dollars a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: year to be a part of the membership.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And be referred. You all pay your money and get in.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: You have to be referred.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You have to be referred by two referrals. Yes that
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: are already they're already members, so they don't let anybody in.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: No, they do not. You got to be and you
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: have to submit a hit shot. Yes you do. I remember,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I am a member. Catch me if you can.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: At one point in time, The Real Housewives of Atlanta
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was like a house membership. Now it's like a playground
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to where it's free to the public and you don't
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: have to do anything to get in but arrive.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: With your huler and.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Your rehearse reads and being prepped and having a battery
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: in your back with double A batteries and a charging station.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: That was meant for Tesla, but it's really for these
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: new girls to wind them up like a rag doll.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I forgot my a lot of questionings.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I went from another stratosphere. AnyWho, I'm back there at
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the time when it was a privileged to be on
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the show, when it was the show to be on
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the show, to be on the men and girls audition,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: men and girls were told bye bye.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yes who.
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  Speaker 1: the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into
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  Speaker 1: the show. You filmed for over a month, oh over
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  Speaker 1: a month, yeah, without being an official housewife.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Right and without pay. They didn't pay you, they didn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: pay me. That was the reason, you know. Eventually I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm out of here. If you don't know
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  Speaker 3: it by now, you're never gonna know it. And so
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  Speaker 3: I'm gone. So thank you, thank you very much. I
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: know how to walk away. That's the one thing about me.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I don't do things just for money.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: You know that. The history of me being on this show.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Tells you that if I'm not happy, if I don't
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: like the way things are going, I'll just say it's
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: not working it out.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for your time. Yeah. So yes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Back then, anyone who was auditioning or wanting to be
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: a part of the cast went through this rigorous filming.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: They would film you alone, they would film you with
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: your man, they would film you with your children, they
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: would film you out and about and maybe, if you
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: kept making the cut, you would film with a housewife,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: or if you if you didn't know a housewife already,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I knew Lawrence, so I would film with Lawrence.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: That was my you know, Andrea or what not.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Andrea, he was your he was your introduction into the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: He was my introduction.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, so Lawrence was my introduction to the cast. And
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: so from there, you know, in a scene, he might say,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: you know, if it's going well, oh, you know Phaedris
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: having a get together tomorrow, do you want to come? Oh? Well,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know who Phaedre is, you know, in real life.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, sure, I don't know what to expect.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know these people, you know. So that's how
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: it worked. And the great thing about that casting process
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: is that you had to earn your right to be
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a housewife of Atlanta. You had to earn it. It
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh this girl looks good. Oh she looks
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: good on paper, let's make her housewife. Girls are getting
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: their contracts before they even meet us, and so then
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: it blows up when they do meet us and they
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: can't keep up and they're not a good fit. We've
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: seen it season after season. It doesn't work. You need
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: to be tried and tested, that is it. You need
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to have all these girls our can't do you remember
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the Nini had an event, the success even whatever, and
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: all the potential housewives are there. I mean, you had
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Jerry Stackhouse's wife, you had all these you know, prominent
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: beautiful women of Atlanta.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I mean they were not only beautiful, but they were were.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Rich and you know, they were successful, they had husbands.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: They were the quintessential what you would think is a
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: housewife of.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Atlanta and the christ.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And for my audience, this is season five, it's become
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a meme. Is when Niinie walks out like this, it's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a meme.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Now, it's a mean now and keing here.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Moore takes a microphone and said, okay, now that we're
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: doumble the clown show.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So so for my audience is that scene that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Was a reference because I was like, I was amongst
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a bunch of clowns like they.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Were, and I'm not I'm not calling.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: The girls at now. For me, it was like, why
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: am I here? I'm freaking miss Usa? Why am I
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: being auditioned? I don't audition Honey's offer only, I don't.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Am I being an audition Really? I was so infected.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I at that scene, you still did not have the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I did not have a contract.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I did not have a contract. And I remember that's
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: also the time where Cynthia and I got into it
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: because I was like, Cynthia, I didn't understand.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch the show.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: So when I saw the way Cynthia was just so
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: protective of her friendship with Ninny, I was like, this
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: is weird, you know, this is this is very weird,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: you know, And so I didn't have a point of
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: reference like that. I think the problem is the girls
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: that are being cast now they're fans, and that's a
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: big problem because I wasn't a fan. I was a
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: fan of Lawrence, Miss Lawrence. I was a fan of Atlanta.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: But I didn't know these girls. I didn't watch them religiously.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I didn't get in front of my TV and was like, yeah,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: you girl, you bet a twirl.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't do that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: So my interaction with them was was genuine and it
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: was authentic, and whatever I saw I called out because
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: that's just my personality. I was like, okay, I wasn't
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: gonna sit there like a wallflower. I was like, well,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I don't understand you. Why is this girl that just
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: so beautiful, like holding on you know, like dear life
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: to Nini and I just didn't understand it, and so
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: we talked.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: About it on camera, you know, you being filmed.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: So that's what ended up having Like that's how those
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: relationships were born, you know.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And what was born was a star in terms of
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this woman is meant to be in reality television. And
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: then another star was born by the names of Portia
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Stewart at the time Stuart and what I.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Heard and I want to I never asked you this.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I was told.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: When you guys were filming season five. The current Peach
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• 40:44
  Speaker 3: They went on striking against Kim. They did not like
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that Kim. Now, remember Portia wasn't cast. I was cast, right,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: They weren't looking for anybody else. They the casting was closed. What, Yes,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't know this. Yes, the casting was closed when Kim.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: When they because I remember sitting at the lunch and
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I believe this lunch was televised.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It was yeah and the camera. Yes, No, she wasn't there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: They cast Porsche after Kim walked off, because then it
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: was like they didn't know what was going to be
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: happening with Kim, and so Portia was the replacement housewife.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Not no shade to Porsche. No, no, I'm just saying,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: how was that?
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: But yet no, yes, because they remember the number of
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: housewives they had.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I think at the time it was six. Six.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: They didn't need seven. They never have been seven of Atlanta,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: not not from my memory, it's never been seven. Even
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to this day, I don't think they've ever had seven.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: So when she walked off, that opened up the casting
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: again and said, okay, we have this other girl, let's
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: look some more. And then Porsche came and I don't
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: know who else, but yeah, that's that's how that happened.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So the Housewives went on strike.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they banned they which was a great thing because
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: they came together, which I admired. They did not like
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the way that Kim was receiving preferental treatment, and they
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: band together and it was like, we're not gonna work
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: this week. So they were like, Okay, well what are
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: we gonna do. Production is down for a week. Let's
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: get this other girl audition her because now we don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: know what's happening. Kim's walked off. Let's look at what
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: else we can film. And so that's when they called
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: me to come in to go to Porsche's event. And
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Porsche was very interesting and actually we had before the event,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: we had a lunch. We had a lunch together. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: remember that we had a lunch and she was really sweet,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: and you know me, I'm always sizing people up, so
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like listening to her little things she would say,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, okay, okay. We had it
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: was a fine lunch, Like it was nothing wrong with
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: the lunch. Then when I get to the event and
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: it was just little things that I was seeing, Like
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: it was an event for charity for her grandfather. So
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: she received a Chanel bag, you know, in front of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: all these people, and I was like why, Like it
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: was just my natural thought, like is it like is
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: this the right time to like give your wife a
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: chanelle back? Like it was just very odd to me.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: So it was just little things I would see. But
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: if people think it was they have a different take. Again,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: they always look at my response, but they don't look
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: at what was done to me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: So the thing with.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Portia is Okay, yeah, sure, she screwed up my title.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Plenty of people do it. I think there's this you know,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of people think they're one of the same.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: They're both prestigious titles, Miss America, miss USA, They're the same.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: It was her reaction, like it was like ah haha,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: you know, like whatever, girl, you know whatever, Like, no,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: it's not whatever, it's miss USA. Like I'm telling you
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: that you got it wrong. Don't go oh whatever, ha
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: ha ha ha. No, say I'm so sorry for that,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you know, it don't embarrass me. So it was that
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I remember going out getting some air. So this is
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: when I think they kind of took her aside. Like
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: she came out, she was polite at first, she came back,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: and then that's when the insults started to fly, like
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: she was like, you know you're leaving when you could
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: just go you can just go.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: To the curb. I remember this almost like you can
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: go to the.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Curb where you belong or something. And I was like, well,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: now it's termed. See I didn't insult you. I walked away.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I did not say anything to you. I did not
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: insult you. My one of my triggers is when people
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: insult me, and especially when it's uncalled for. I don't
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: think people know that about me. I don't like to
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: be insulted because I'm gonna play nice with you, but
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to hit you first. When you hit
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: me is when I have to return with something much strong.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: So and I didn't think people know that. They know
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: that now, Yes, she hit me.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: With these insults like wait, wait, wait, I'm on a curb,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: like wait, why do you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Have to insult me? Girl?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: You just insulted me there. I didn't say anything to you.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Now we are out on the curb and now you're
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: you know, you're you're just like all of a sudden,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: you're a different person and you're like doing the most.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: So that's how that started. People didn't see it that way.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: They looked at this young cute girl.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Oh so a loof.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: It's okay, she's not that now, but she was then.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: And I was like, you gotta be kidding me, because
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: one thing I admire most about people is intelligence. I
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: think people know that. You know, I like a smart
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: pretty girl. You know I live for you know I
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: live for a smart pretty girl.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: You know I keep you a smart pretty girl. So
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: you know. So I'm like, no, I'm not.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not jealous. I'm not because I keep a dollar
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: worth of dines around.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: You know that. You know that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: So please don't come over here talking about some beauty
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: because I have seen beauty in my life. You know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Tracy ed mss Tyra was my best friend. It's one
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: of my best friends even to this day. So please
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: don't act like I'm jealous of this.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: You know I'm not. Let's just be clear.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I can appreciate beauty at its finest. So yeah, so
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: that South, that South all that started we were born
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: because they went on strike.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: That is so amazing to me because it also showed
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that me as a vor watching season five, so I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: produced the first four seasons I left, I'm watching it
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: at home and I'm fascinated by the two of the dynamics.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the dynamic.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: And it was the first time like I wasn't a
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: house don't. I wasn't a housewife. I wasn't a housewife.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Then it was two non housewives shooting a scene at
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: the time, which is unheard of, unheard of. They didn't
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: have a choice, they had nothing. They were going to
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: waste the whole production week or they were gonna shoot something.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: When were you officially made a housewife?
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I think it whoa. I think it was after it
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: was after the means event. It was after means no,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: after the success a success event, because I remember I
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: was done, Yeah I was. I remember saying I was done.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, if you don't know it now, I'm
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: not going to be working for free.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I've shown you enough.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: If you don't think that I'm that girl, then someone
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: else will. Thanks, but no hard feelings. And then they
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: begged me just one more scene, just one more scene.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And I remember saying, if I shoot this scene and
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: you don't make me a housewife, you cannot use me
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: for anything else. You cannot go you cannot use any
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: of my footage and they agreed to it, and they
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: made me a housewife after.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You earned it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I told him. I was like, if you don't,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: then you can't use me at all.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: What people don't realize is this when season five aired,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: obviously you're seeing what other people are saying about you,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and there first time, yes, being accused of being an alcoholic.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, someone who's never been drunk a day
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: in their life. God on a hand on a bible.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I have never been drunk a day in my life.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I've been I have been tipsy, I've been feeling good
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: from alcohol. I have never ever in my life drunk
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: this day. I've never been drunk a day in my life.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And you have people accusing me, and you know that's
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: the trigger because guess what who accused me of that?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: And I had never even tasted alcohol before My mother
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry I told you earlier. She told those people that
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I was an alcoholic. I don't even like liquor like that.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, anybody who's ever gone out
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: with me, If.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I get two drinks, that's rare.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is rare. In your life, You're not to
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: get a little tipsy. But when you and your tips and
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: is fun and it's.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: We a fun girl when I drink. But I've never
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: been drunk, so that hurts you.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It hurts wh was calling you an alcoholic? It reminded
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you of your mother?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And what else did she say?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I confided in her about my mom, about my mom,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: thinking that she had a mental illness because of the
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: way that she treated me. And Phaedra used that when
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: we fell out. She used the two things that were
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: my ultimate triggers, saying that I had some kind of
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: illness because of my mom and saying that I had
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: and I was an alcoholic. And that all leads back
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: to my mother in her treatment of me and the
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: things that she did to try to destroy me. And
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: that is why I have the opinion that I have
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: a phator now, amongst other things.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Look into that. Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Second, Yeah, you were not in a good space when
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: season five was airing. No, is it true that you
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: had to speak to a therapist. I did when season
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: five was airing.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: When it was airing, and I saw all of the
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: things that were a stretch that they were making, it
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: seem like I was the one thing that crushed my soul.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Is when I was watching the Cynthia Bailey Fashion Show
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and there that was fine when they tried to when
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: it appeared let me, let me, let me be diplomatic.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: When it appeared that I was.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Being mean or saying unflattering things about another black young
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: girl that destroyed me. That is not who I am.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: That is not who I will ever be. I have
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: the weakest like I am. I am a fool for
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: a young black girl in need. I have always. I
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: have so many people that I mentor. I literally take
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: on so many women and cases and just girls who
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: remind me of myself and who remind me of that
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: little black girl from the ghetto, just just dealing with
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: life and dealing with not having a family and not
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: and wanting a relationship with my mother and just trying
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: to just get home at night without being robbed or
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: raped or killed, and just wanting something more for your life.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: And when I saw that, when I tell you I
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't answer my phone for a week.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I can't confirm that because our friend Joy again I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: didn't work season five.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was told she had to had a mental breakdown.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Joy had to drive to your home yep and sit
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: with you for hours yep, and said I'm just here
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: to talk to you.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Yep. Like that's how severe it was for.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: You, because here you are entering into the space of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: reality and like, okay.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I can but tell the story of the way.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that really made you second guests come back
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to the show.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, it was like, if this can happen, you know,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: the fun, the fun stuff, I can deal with that
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Ninny pulling up when and saying that, I was literally,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: I'm in a four star hotel with a two B
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: and her pulling up in the honk and the horse
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: and the stuff like that, like oh.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Guy, and the ambulance in the background and the police sirens.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, y'all tried it. You're like funny,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: it's like stupid whatever, stupid. I'm like, I'll take that,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: l you know what I mean. Meanwhile, I'm across the
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: street from the Fox Theater in bedroom for our star hotel.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: It's it's fine, okay.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Like even just showing my little office papers, my little
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: makeshift office, like it was like like, like, really.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: It's my office, like you was thinking.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: It was roaches and rats running around the soap for
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the way they met.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I love the stuff. You're like now that was good.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Like that was so long that way, it's hilarious to me.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: The whole thing was the landlord who tried to put
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: out the house. You cannot buy that kind of TV.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: It was you cannot plan it, sus you cannot buy it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: You cannot make it up. It was reality. That woman
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: was just as crazy as she appeared. The fact that
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: that shady ass nine one one call, and I was
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: there for that.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: And so going back a bit.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm asked to come back in and executive produced
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: season six.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, and again I'm watching the show like this.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Kenya my Detroit says, because again, let me tell you something.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: My father, my brothers, every black man in America had
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Kenya Moore as their wallpaper on their computer art, on
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the Smooth magazine calendar, like a national treasure, honestly. And
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I said, I can't wait to have fun with Kenya.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: And then I was told she's not coming back.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: And I said, excuse what, No, ken Ya, what are
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you guys talking about. We already talked.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: About Porsche being on the chopping blocking, but with you,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I have to fly to Los Angeles.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I had the company credit card, me and my producer
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Brent to love who you love, who you love? It
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: was you and Brandon, your bestie, took you out to
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: dinner and I'm begging you and you're, of course expressed
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: your grievances. And I remember saying this to you. I'm
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: back and I'm going to hold your hand. But I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: can't do this season about you because you twirled into
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: our live season five. And would you admit, though humility
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: is good, that you and Porsche resurrected the show?
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: The executive producer told me that, but he said it
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: was in a bad place and we revived the show,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and you know, it was magic. Portion and I together
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: we made magical TV for sure. For all these years,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: you know, for all not just season five, for all
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: those years. You know, it was just so interesting to
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: see the relationship go up and down, sideways wherever it
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: was going to go, and it made for very compelling TV.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: When you think about your time on the show and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: getting to all the altercations, the arguments of fights, who
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: would you give the number one slot to or position to?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: In terms of this was my biggest challenger, Like when
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: she and I went toe to toe.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: It was good and it was interesting and I'm even
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: entertained by it. I mean, come on, that's easy. That's
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Nini Niani.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, Nini is that girl who could
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: you just never knew where she was gonna come from
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: half the time, Like is it gonna be friend.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Nini or enemy Nini?
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I mean we became frenemies, but when we made Magical
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: TV when we were friends, and we made magic on
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: TV when we were enemies, and she could give as
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: good as she got, and I mean she was the
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: ying to my yang. She was feisty, funny, effed up
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: at times, crazy at times, a real friend at times
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: like she was all of those things, but she could read.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: She was funny, and I enjoy working with her.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Do you miss her being on the show. Yeah?
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm being honest, yeah, she She's a force
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: all her own.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: You can't take that away from her. That's one thing
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: about me.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I am never going to not give you your flowers,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm never going to discount what you contributed to any.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Space that you're in.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: She was a major for worse multipliers you like to say,
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: of that of real housewives, and you can't you can't
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: ever erase that from her, Do you agree.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: With her when she says she built the house.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: She built the house, but it got four closed on.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, well wails who took the deed?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you have to figure that out, honey. Oh God.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: But the thing you will, the beauty of it is this.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I remember season six and again, Season five was tough
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: You were on your own battling all of these girls.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that reunion. It was me against everybody,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: like Detroit versus everything. Yes, that's why I love that
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Detroit versus everyone's us. It's us deplait versus everybody. That's
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: how I felt, and I slayed them all one by one. Okay,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: season five reunion, everybody came for me and their husbands,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: and I still held my own. So please give me
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: my flowers.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I'll just go there now. I don't think you get
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the flowers you deserve. I think you are the most
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: unappreciated housewife. I think when it comes to you, you
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: don't get the treatment you deserve. It makes my stomach
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: turn every time I watch a reunion and you're not
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: in the first seat. Yeah, it makes my stomach turn.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Yours and mine? Boss?
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Well, let's talk about conversation with them before.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I had this conversation with them.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Before because I was bringing up I just remember this
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: the seating or whatever. I don't remember it was that
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: year that people couldn't understand the seating. I think it
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: was last year, and it was like, you would never
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: move me NC even and don't tell me it's about story.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: It's not because because at the end it's not. It's not.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: It's not about story. Okay, it's about who are the
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: leads of the show. Okay, that's why Giselle and I
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: love Giselle.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I love Gazelle. Gazelle is a star of Potomac, but
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: face a Potomac.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Well, now, Karen, they put her in the middle, but
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't like that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't like it. And I love Karen. I love
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Karen too, But Gizelle is that girl.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Gazelle is the face and the star Potomac. I love Karen, Wendy,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I love I love them all. Yes, but Gazelle is
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: that girl.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: And I have I remember calling I will call because
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: it's the same production company. I remember calling an executive
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: and saying, why isn't Gazelle in the middle.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand what their what is it their whine? Champagne, Champagne.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Why isn't she in the middle, Like this is ridiculous,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: you know, And then when it can when it comes
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: to reunion ceding, it is a lot of people think
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: it's about story.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: It's jobby about story.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: I don't care how at the end, Nini did not
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: have story.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: For three seasons. You ain't see her family man half
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: the time, you ain't seen nothing.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: But Nina would come and show you her shoes. She
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: would come and model her shoes and sit in the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: corner and be mad at everybody, and they would never
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: move Ninie Seed.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is a fact.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: And I so disrespected, knowing what I have put into
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: this franchise, what I have sacrificed, what I have been
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: on this show, you should never move my seat.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Never Canny can sit on the end. She don't care.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Her paychecks is not gonna change what.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: What what I can confirm is it's not about story.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: It's not about story.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: It's about and listen, it is what it is. The
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: first seat is about who's the star of the season,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the star of the show, who's the.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Face of the show.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: It's the reason why Giselle, Teresa Judaiz, Kyle Richards, Mini Leaks,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Kim Zosiac yep Okay, Bethany Frankel.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Let's have a conversation about it.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Always had the most story, never never. I feel like
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I'm a kind of Kyle, like Kyle in some way,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: like Kyle, I've always had great story. This year not
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: so much, you know, not so much. But at the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: same time, Ninia's had seasons where she was not, like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: I said, she was not giving you great story. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: that does not mean that she was not still the.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Star of that show.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: And I really just that I really took umbrage to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: that and still do because I think it's a mistake.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's a mistake. Do you think it's a
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: message to you.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: If that's the case, then every season they do that,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: it is a message to me. I mean the message
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: is maybe, you know, like you said, I don't feel
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: that my time on this show has been as valued
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: as it should have been, as it should be where
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: my spinoffs. When I was at the height height of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: my time on this show, and I wanted a spin
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: off with my child having a baby, and I.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Was denied that, and you.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Know why that should have never happened because the show
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: should come first. The show should always come first, and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I cannot say that the show is coming first.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Now, were you punished because you got married to Mark
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Daily off camera?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Of course? Is that a secret? I mean, is that
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: a secret?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Of course you like that, And listen, I understand both sides.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I'm a smart girl. I understand both sides. We have
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: invested all this time in you. Your storyline from the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: beginning is that you wanted to be married and you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: wanted to have a baby. But when I tell you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: on my side, well, I can't have a husband by
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: bringing him on the show, because we all see how
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: that turns out season after season. If I bring a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: man on the show, it's like the kiss of death.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: It's not going to work for whatever reason. And now
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: you're seeing that every marriage, marriages are failing, marriages are failing.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get married, and if I have all
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: of these distractions, all of these girls, and all of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: these things being said, and people, you know, constantly putting
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: all this negative attention, people going in.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I remember I bought one guy.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: On the show once before it was he was just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: in the trailer before he even appeared on the show,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: They had mugshots of him, they had all kinds of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: stories coming out on him.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: And it's like, for what, you're killing me, You're and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: this is not the thought of Bravo, this is the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: thought of all.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Of the people invested in our show. And it's unfair
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: to dig up dirt on someone that you don't even
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: know yet. And what was the point of it. What
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: is the end result of that? What is the end
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: game for you to fuck with my life? Because obviously
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: this man is going to look at me like, well,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: you're causing me. You're having my clients calling me that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: didn't even know I had been arrested, and they don't
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: even know what this was about. This was about a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: man doing X Y and say to me, not what
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: they're portraying it to be. So it's a costly thing
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: for me, and I waited what I needed first, and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I needed to have a family before I needed a show.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Which is why I can always walk away because I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: always prioritize what is going to make me the happiest.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: And at that point in time, I met someone that
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: I thought, this is the one. Now if I make
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: the choice to make it public and bring him on
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: the show. He could go away, but right now it's good.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: And as soon as I exposed him on the show,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: what happened divorce papers ensued. Rightfully so, but there is
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: a rhythm to it. But I understood their point of view,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: which was, we invested in you. This is what your
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: storyline has been for since season your first season, season five,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: and then you go off and get married and we
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: don't even have it. And to add insult to injury,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: he didn't want to appear on camera, and now he
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: does because he's allegedly shooting in his own reality show.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to give it to that too, because
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: he did not want to film on the show, and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the producer we keep talking about, she had to call
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: him constantly to do it. Yeah, before we get into
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: that though, again, you and I are friends in real life,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: real life. You were so protective about this relationship. You
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: didn't tell me about it, our our girl joy you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: really I knew you were dating, So I want to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: be clear. You told me you were dating. I didn't
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: know you got married either until after you did it,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: and you told me, can you talk?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, you said, I'm marry bitch. I said, bitch,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: who that God was telling me about from New York?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I said, why you? And I said, this is a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: true conversation. Does the network?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: No? No, bitch, I said, well, ain't saying shit like
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say a word. I remember, though, seeing
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: the wedding photo and you two had a fist bump.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: And I never said this to you, but I remember
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: seeing it and I felt something was off because and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: unless there was just certain photos that weren't released.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were unauthorized photos.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, because for me it was my photo.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: God, I eventually posted that photo on my on my Instagram,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: see that.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: That was the only one.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: And I felt in that moment, this doesn't feel emotional
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: or romantic really, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Because for me it was a wedding photo.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: You guys should be kissing, and well I had those
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: So I thought it was the opposite.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I thought it showed that we had a great, fun,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: friendly relationship. It wasn't just about a sexual attraction or
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: oh I got to marry you so fast because I'm
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: just so hot for you.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: I thought it was rooted in a friendship.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: So because a lot of people did assume and let's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, did you Russia get married because
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: of where you were in your life at the time,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: wanting to have a child? You met this he's listen,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the spy was going on right now.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: The man is fine. Yeah, he's fine. Marcus stunning. He's
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: a good looking guy.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: He will probably if he was on more than one season,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: he would have been one of the hottest house husband. Sorry,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Mauricio and happy Eddie and while.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Dixon you get uh, I mean, I know, Marcus, Marcus gorgeous.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Was the pressures of.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: You being on the show having to go on couples
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: trips as a single woman? Oh you think that rushed
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: me to the aug No, no, no, no, I want to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: talk about the psychology of things because what I like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: to do is go further. The thing is this, I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: don't know what it's like to be invited on a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: couple's trip as a single female, and when you're getting
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: into with these girls rightfully so their husbands have their back.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, I've encounter in the last few seasons here on
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Real Housewives.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you're sort of like alone and it
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: must do something to you. So the one thing I've
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you, was yes, you wanted that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: in your personal life?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Was it also.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Something like, hmm, I also just want somebody on this
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: show that I can be protected by.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: You know, I am so No. It had nothing to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: do with the show.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: And honestly, we connected right away. I remember, and I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: don't know if a lot of people know this story,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: but I met him months before dating him. I was
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: fresh out of the relationship with Crazy I call him
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Crazy Eyes, and I was like, I don't need to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: date anybody because it's like and that was pressure.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: That was pressure dating Crazy Eyes. Crazy Eyes was pressure.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Yes. So when it came to Mark, I met him
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: right after I seeing Crazy Eyes, and I thought, I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: was like, wow, this is a good looking guy. I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: was in New York. I was at a restaurant and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: I met him, and I thought, wow, that's a good
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: looking guy, like you know, and he was, you know,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: he looked kind of like a little nerdy because he
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: had his little book bag and backpack or whatever you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: want to call and he was doing paperwork in the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: restaurant because he owned the restaurant, and he was just
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: there doing paperwork at one of the stations. And so
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: later I was like, I really would like to connect
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: with him, but I'm not ready. I need to just
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: take some time for myself, figure out how I got
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: myself in this situation with this other fool, and I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: need to.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Just be ready. And I prayed.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: I prayed so much, like work on me, fix whatever
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: is broken, so that when I do meet someone, I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: am ready to receive them. And that's what I did.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I just worked on myself. I read I, you know,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: I was going through counseling all of those things, and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I remember it was it was not I think it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: was Thanksgiving Ish maybe three months later, and I called
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: up Chef Roblay and I said, you remember the guy
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: you know that you introduced me to And he said, yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: is he single? And he was like, let me check,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and then it was just history from there.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: So he was very I made the first move, and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: I remember us having We didn't talk right away. When
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: we did talk, we were on the phone for two
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: hours at a time. Every time we would speak, we
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: would be on the phone for hours at a time.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Is he trying to take your money?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: He wants me to pay his bills and some payment
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: that no one understands.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: What the payment is for.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: But that's not holding up the divorce because I would
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: pay him whatever to go away. It is he is
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: trying to undo my rights to Brooklyn when it comes
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: to TV appearances, because he's now doing a reality show.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Is it a pilot because you know you're I believe
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: it's a show, because is it straight to series?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: That I don't know. He won't tell me about it,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: he won't discuss it. I do know that they've been traveling.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I do know. So if you just have a pilot money,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: you usually don't travel people and shoot in multiple locations.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: So I do believe that it's an actual series.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: And he was upset when he saw Marlowe kick the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: door while Brooklyn was in your hotel room.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Well, he was allegedly upset because this is a man
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: that hasn't seen his daughter for a total of two
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: days and two years.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: But so what he's.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Trying to do is trump up charges so he can
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: have me sign off on her appearing in his show.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: And that is what held up the divorce because if
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: it was the other things, I'd sign off. I mean,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: you want this money here, I'll make it.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: I'll make more. It's not that he was trying.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: To take away my right to Brooklyn when it comes
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: to TV appearances because he wants her toppear on his show.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Did the show ruin your marriage?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: No, Mark ruined our marriage. Mark ruined our marriage. I'm
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: a good wife and I will be a great wife
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: to the next man. So it was a real genuine
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: connection that we had. We both wanted the same thing
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: at the same time. Which is also again the crazy
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: thing about you know, from the rumors with Walter that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: escalated to things being fake all started by Miss Parks,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: of course.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Where Walter were in a real relationship.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Kenny told you that, yeah, but they chose to believe him, saying,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I asked him, but he had been to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: my house. Walter had come all the way from Atlanta
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: and stayed in my home because we were dating at
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: the time. And then I remember Kenny saying, well, you know,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I know that they're saying this stuff, but his best
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: friend is also one of my best friends, and he
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: said they were date. But that's not what they wanted
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: to hear. They wanted to go with this spose narrative that.
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  Speaker 2: It was fake.
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  Speaker 3: Then for them to keep perpetuating this notion that I
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  Speaker 3: paid for men and all that.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, really, girl, people, what does it cover? A
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  Speaker 2: lot of people really believe that I got some tea.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I got some tea for you.
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  Speaker 3: Nini is the one who called me and said that
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  Speaker 3: Walter was going on the radio and he had been
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  Speaker 3: retained Phaedra had been retained by him. Nini is your
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: girl who called me up and gave me the heads up. Okay,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: so wait, Phaedra was in cahoots with Walter and Phaedra
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  Speaker 3: is the one who Nini told me that Walter asked
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Phaedra to be his attorney. And that is when he
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  Speaker 3: then went on the radio and said that crazy stuff,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: which you never said.
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  Speaker 2: I paid him.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, he said, I asked him to.
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  Speaker 2: Be on the show.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, can you come on the show, because if you do,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: you got to sign a release. You gotta film at
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: two o'clock on Tuesday. He's supposed to ask.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That turned into somehow us spaking it when clearly Candy
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: already said that he had told people we were dating,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: and he's it's obvious evidence that he had been.
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  Speaker 2: At my house. So that was a complete lie.
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  Speaker 3: Hand on a bible, hand on a bible If you
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: have a Bible right now, I would swear hand on
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: a bible and that would bring bring a bible.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: App. I will put my hand on the bible. App.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure it works that from that, you keep
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: perpetuating this rumor.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: But then I thought about it. I said, those.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Kind of rumors exist for every single person that is
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: on the show. Candy will always be the sugar mama
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: who paid men, who pays for boyfriends, so you know,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: the sugar mama who takes scare of me. Cynthia will
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: always be the girl who was the weak one, no backbone,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: always up Nini's behind.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: We all have something that someone in the cast says
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: about us. This sticks, this sticks, and that was mine,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: even though if you're looking at me, really, I have
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: to pay someone. Really, this is what you want people
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: to believe. A successful, bright, kind, smart woman needs that
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: looks like me, A form missus say, has to pay
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: someone to be up to date them. Really, that's what
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: you want, and it worked, and even after even after that,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: then everything the fruit of that became a lie, fake husband,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: fake well, fake boyfriend, fake fiance, fake husband, fake marriage,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: am I having a fake divorce, fake baby all of
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: those take Affair with Apollo, Fake Affair with Apollo.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: There were allegations that you try to suck Apollo's dick.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Rain Bob.
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