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  Speaker 1: and this is Political Capital Daily. Good morning, happy Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: on your profession and where you are. Also a pretty
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  Speaker 1: much a holiday stat non-partisan campaign tools down day for
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  Speaker 1: the parties in the provincial election campaign, which we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to in a moment. Jillian Oliver, longtime political cap, the
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  Speaker 1: longest time political cap, the originalist political capitol member. Pod
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  Speaker 1: squad member. You are the pod squad, Jillian. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: being here.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Rob. It's good to be back.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there'll be any campaigning today on Truth
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  Speaker 1: and Reconciliation Day. It sounds like the NDP is, the leader,
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  Speaker 1: David Eby, is going to Kamloops to be with the
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  Speaker 1: Kamloops Nation, which had that masked protester awful situation occurring.
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  Speaker 1: He's not doing any media or any events. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure what the Conservatives are doing. And it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: the Greens' Emily Lohan is at the South Island Pow
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  Speaker 1: Wow with Elizabeth May. So probably not a good day
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  Speaker 1: to be campaigning if you're in the election campaign, although
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure some of them are very tempted to do
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  Speaker 1: so given the short timeframe they have to make announcements.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that makes sense. It's always a
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  Speaker 2: question during campaigns like, well, what you should be doing
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  Speaker 2: during holidays. I remember my first election, um, Andrew Weaver,
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  Speaker 2: the leader that I worked for is like Greek, Greek Orthodox,
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  Speaker 2: and they take Easter really serious. So he wanted to
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  Speaker 2: take four days off from Easter and we were all
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  Speaker 2: sitting there stressing out spiraling. Um, but at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, I think it didn't actually end up
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  Speaker 2: like harming us. It was okay, but it can be
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  Speaker 2: hard when you're going full out to slow down.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if the, uh, Dreamweaver is going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing that in this campaign for center BC. I haven't, uh,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't I don't know. At Centre BC, we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: some new polling numbers for Centre BC as well after
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  Speaker 1: the break. But before we, just in our first segment here, Gillian,
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  Speaker 1: obviously the big news from yesterday was LNG Canada, phase two,
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  Speaker 1: the prime minister's in town with all of the folks,
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  Speaker 1: the consortium of five different global companies behind LNG Canada,
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  Speaker 1: and Premier David Eby takes off his campaign hat, which
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  Speaker 1: at this point is kind of a floppy, beaten up
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  Speaker 1: battered hat and he puts on his premier's hat, which
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  Speaker 1: is much more fun to wear than the campaign hat.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes back and stands with Mark Carney and
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  Speaker 1: does a press conference on it. Huge project, $ 30 billion expansion,
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  Speaker 1: be the third biggest in Canadian history. It's going to,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's huge. Like there's a lot of big
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  Speaker 1: numbers attached to this revenue, tens of billions in revenue
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  Speaker 1: and construction jobs and that type of thing. The premier
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  Speaker 1: kind of doing a victory lap on this in the campaign.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess, fascinating timing for him as well. How
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  Speaker 1: did you think all that landed?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my first thought was, it's just perfectly timed
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  Speaker 2: to come on the Tuesday of the second week of
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  Speaker 2: the campaign, almost like they planned it that way to
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  Speaker 2: have last week. A little bit too perfect. Yeah, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too perfect with the Prime Minister, the most
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  Speaker 2: popular politician in the, probably a tie between him and
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  Speaker 2: Wab Kanu for most popular politician in the country, but
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  Speaker 2: he's up there. And I think, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: trying to ride Get a little bit of that carny
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  Speaker 2: shine on him, hopefully, for the homestretch of the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, it's also interesting. He goes back
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  Speaker 2: on some of his past statements with this announcement and
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  Speaker 2: his embrace of this phase two. It means that our
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  Speaker 2: climate targets in the Clean BC plan that was implemented
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  Speaker 2: last when John Horgan was premier, are unreachable. EB had
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  Speaker 2: said that we would not continue to expand fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 2: that that was incompatible with climate action. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a change of tune and another broken promise
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  Speaker 2: that I think we could see having some impact on
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  Speaker 2: a lot of environmentalist voters, a lot of younger voters
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  Speaker 2: that are more concerned about climate change, who have given
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  Speaker 2: the NDP the benefit of the doubt for a number
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  Speaker 2: of cycles. So it's going to be interesting to see
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  Speaker 2: if that has an impact.
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  Speaker 1: And Emily Lowen, the Green Leader, the only one making
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  Speaker 1: that point, because the conservative reaction, Lauren Dirksen, was welcoming
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  Speaker 1: this and basically saying, how come we didn't get it earlier?
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  Speaker 1: How come Christy Clark isn't getting credit? Kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: and it continues to give Lowen a bunch of room
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  Speaker 1: to be the only person talking about certain issues. She
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  Speaker 1: was talking about housing policy yesterday and putting rent controls
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  Speaker 1: in and bringing back the community housing fund that was
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  Speaker 1: cut in the budget, which no one has talked about
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  Speaker 1: but her. She was early in on some other kind
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  Speaker 1: of cost of living and child care, free child care
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  Speaker 1: announcement within five years. That's so fascinating that because the
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  Speaker 1: NDP and conservatives are kind of fighting in the same pool,
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  Speaker 1: she really does have a distinct message for people who
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  Speaker 1: might be looking for an alternative on a file like
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  Speaker 1: this and on some other affordability files too.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, yeah. There's, I mean, there's so many different broken promises.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking again after our last show last week,
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  Speaker 2: just like how remarkable it is that we're having this
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  Speaker 2: election given the spring that the NDP had with that
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  Speaker 2: terrible budget, which is when they cut the community housing fund.
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  Speaker 2: There was like dozens of almost shovel-ready projects, real projects
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  Speaker 2: in communities. Like there was one in Nelson where I
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  Speaker 2: used to live. There's one in Squamish. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: municipal governments that have really been vocally disappointed about the
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  Speaker 2: loss of that fund. Because it means less affordable housing
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  Speaker 2: that was promised. And yeah, there's lots of other kind
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  Speaker 2: of promises on the progressive side of things. The freezing
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  Speaker 2: of the $ 10 a day childcare that has a huge
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  Speaker 2: impact on people's lives if they can't get those spaces
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  Speaker 2: and they've been promised for almost a decade. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think lots of green fields, so to speak, are
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  Speaker 2: on that side of things.
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  Speaker 1: And what fascinates me about it too is that I
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  Speaker 1: close my eyes sometimes and I can hear new Democrats
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  Speaker 1: saying what Lowen is saying back in 2017, talking about
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  Speaker 1: the pollution from LNG, talking about the need for child care,
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  Speaker 1: talking about the need for rent control. And they've changed.
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  Speaker 1: They've gone so far in nine years under Horgan and
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  Speaker 1: then under the two different versions of David Eby, including
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  Speaker 1: this hard resource version of him, that there must be
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  Speaker 1: some new Democrat voters who are listening to Lohan who
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  Speaker 1: are going, wait a second. That's what I want. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I believe in. But they're also, I've noticed from
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  Speaker 1: having attended NDP conventions, New Democrats are amongst the most
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  Speaker 1: loyal supporters because they believe in this cause, this social
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  Speaker 1: justice movement, this thing that is bigger than any leader
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  Speaker 1: and bigger than themselves. And they're willing to swallow a
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  Speaker 1: lot of crappy leaders and poor policy decisions to maintain
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  Speaker 1: the idea of the New Democrat movement that they believe in.
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  Speaker 1: So But at the very least, they must be hearing
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  Speaker 1: some things from Emily Lowen that they're thinking, I like
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  Speaker 1: those because they said them not that many years ago,
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  Speaker 1: almost verbatim.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that that was coming. Yeah, totally. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's remarkable also on the other side of things to
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  Speaker 2: hear EB make the same arguments that Christy Clark made.
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  Speaker 2: He was out there saying, you know, if we don't
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  Speaker 2: frack this natural gas and someone else is going to
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  Speaker 2: and we've got the best environmental standards and actually this
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  Speaker 2: is like cleaner than if it was being done somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: which is just the exact same stuff that the BC
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  Speaker 2: Liberals used to say. So it is, I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: kind of feels quite topsy-turvy. But you're right. We had
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  Speaker 2: in Evie's leadership race an insurgent sort of left wing
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  Speaker 2: of the NDP with Angela Paterai. She was disqualified and
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  Speaker 2: she hasn't run. She's not running with the Greens. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it would be an amazing surprise. We don't know. They
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  Speaker 2: haven't announced all their candidates yet, but we do see
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  Speaker 2: them tend to stick together. So it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be wild. I hadn't thought of that, but that
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  Speaker 1: would be wild if she suddenly appeared. But you never know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone is scrambling to find candidates right now.
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  Speaker 1: There's these snap decisions being made from campaigns and candidates
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  Speaker 1: themselves to jump into the race because it's like just... Actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? I did this on yesterday's show. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to pull this up as we're speaking here.
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  Speaker 1: The election candidate tracker that Hugh Chan is running, which
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  Speaker 1: I put on my social media if you want to
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  Speaker 1: follow that. He now has... 65 conservative candidates declared, 58
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  Speaker 1: New Democrat candidates, 16 Greens, 13 Centre BC, 16 One BC,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the current standing. No one has it, 93 yet,
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  Speaker 1: and some parties are going to be very challenged to
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  Speaker 1: reach 93. Even the main parties are scrambling to vet.
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  Speaker 1: I see the Conservatives doing a lot of, like, previously
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  Speaker 1: vetted federal candidates who obviously the party put resources into
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  Speaker 1: and you can just slide them into a provincial slot
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  Speaker 1: without worrying that there there's something waiting there uh in
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  Speaker 1: the fringes uh and then some previous uh bc united
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  Speaker 1: vetted candidates and conservative candidates as well because they don't
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  Speaker 1: have time to be vetting these people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think yeah totally it's a lot of work
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  Speaker 2: to get candidates through and nominated especially if you don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of incumbents like the small parties. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I've been through that in a snap election before. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and it's, it's really hard, especially in communities where you
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  Speaker 2: don't have a strong, uh, writing association. There isn't a
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  Speaker 2: strong local organization. Um, it's really challenging to get people out,
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  Speaker 2: even to get people out when they've got jobs to
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  Speaker 2: get their signatures and everything. Um, it's, it's really rough
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  Speaker 2: and I think they've got three more days, so we'll see. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and we got several
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  Speaker 1: other topics we want to get into right after this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: All righty, a few other items, Gillian, we should go
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  Speaker 1: through here. We did have the BC Conservatives making a
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  Speaker 1: different announcement yesterday, a promise to scrap the 10% PST
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  Speaker 1: on Canadian alcohol at liquor stores and restaurants during the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: trade war, and the Conservatives reiterating for I think the
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  Speaker 1: fifth or sixth time now that they would keep U.S.
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  Speaker 1: booze off store shelves. The NDP have ignored the numerous
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  Speaker 1: times that Leader Lord Dirksen has said this, And they
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  Speaker 1: continue to cite a comment from one MLA several months
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  Speaker 1: ago and two party leaders ago that perhaps we should
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  Speaker 1: put U.S. booze back on the store shelves to appease Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Who wins this alcohol war of words, do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Are the NDP able to just continue to pretend that
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  Speaker 1: it is the conservative position despite the leader stating otherwise?
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  Speaker 1: And does the leader on the conservative side doing this
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  Speaker 1: PST break on booze let him kind of erase a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that issue on the subject?
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  Speaker 2: I think that it does. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 2: smart move from the Conservatives. One thing that I thought
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  Speaker 2: was really interesting about it is that they didn't offer
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  Speaker 2: a cost of this. Obviously, it would be a big
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  Speaker 2: hit to revenue at a time where we have a
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  Speaker 2: large deficit. And I think, you know, a signal that
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  Speaker 2: they have also said that they're not going to be
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  Speaker 2: implementing any new taxes. They're also, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 2: defend against ndp attacks that they're not going to cut
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  Speaker 2: health and education spending that he's also been pulling up
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  Speaker 2: quotes from other conservative mlas on that so um they
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  Speaker 2: might not end up having that really strong sort of
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  Speaker 2: like fiscal conservative differentiator either um in terms of the
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  Speaker 2: trade war yeah i think that this helps a bit
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  Speaker 2: but i also think by the same on the other
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  Speaker 2: side that the ndp can continue to sort of foster
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  Speaker 2: doubt they've been trying to make this argument that Lauren
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  Speaker 2: Dirksen's leadership could be thrown into question because of the constitution. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and just sort of creating the general sense of instability
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  Speaker 2: around the party, which I think voters will buy. Um,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, it's, it's, it's all about risk. I
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  Speaker 2: think when you, when you, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: when you go to the polls. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're not, maybe they don't know exactly why they find
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  Speaker 1: it a risky option, but there's a bunch of different
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  Speaker 1: things that may be broken in tiny different ways that
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  Speaker 1: give that, that sniff test. It's fascinating to me to
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  Speaker 1: watch though, the new Democrats, uh, you know, the premier
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  Speaker 1: announcing he's not going to proceed with the PST expansion
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  Speaker 1: just before the election. And that's considered an incredible maneuver
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  Speaker 1: to provide support for people who need it and businesses
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  Speaker 1: who need it most at a cost to the treasury.
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  Speaker 1: And then the conservatives announced they're going to scrap the
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  Speaker 1: PST on booze. And the New Democrats say, my God,
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  Speaker 1: how could you afford this at this time? There's a
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  Speaker 1: fiddle with the PST. Are you going to cut something else?
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, actually, you guys are actually doing
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. And you're both saying you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to cut anything. But you're also going to balance the
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  Speaker 1: budget someday, eventually. And like, it's just, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They're all just kind of making it up as they
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  Speaker 1: go along, it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think it's a very reactionary, short-sighted,
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  Speaker 2: short-term election. And that's why we shouldn't have snap elections.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That and stress levels in general and gray hair, there
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  Speaker 1: are many good reasons for that. The latest poll in
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  Speaker 1: a series of British Columbia election polls landed late yesterday
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  Speaker 1: from Leger, with Leger Group polling in the field from
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  Speaker 1: September 24th to 28th. So that's pretty recent and determining
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  Speaker 1: amongst the sided voters, the Conservatives have a lead at 39%,
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  Speaker 1: the NDP at 36%, the Greens at 13%, which is
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  Speaker 1: actually up a fair bit for the Greens. 1 BC,
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  Speaker 1: the first time they've ever appeared on here because the
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  Speaker 1: pollster actually asked this question this time, 5%. Center BC, 5%,
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  Speaker 1: and other 2%, the margin of error at 3.1% there.
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  Speaker 1: So those numbers, Jillian, are tighter than the Angus Reid poll,
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  Speaker 1: which had the conservatives with an eight-point lead the other day,
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  Speaker 1: but they still show kind of, in some of the
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  Speaker 1: other trending numbers in the poll, a backlash there. from
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  Speaker 1: voters who are not convinced that we should be in
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  Speaker 1: an early election. 57% disapprove of that. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: that continues to be reflected in some of these numbers,
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  Speaker 1: though they're not catastrophic numbers for the NDP. They're certainly
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  Speaker 1: motivationally behind the Conservatives.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the underlying numbers that the NDP
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  Speaker 2: needs to be especially concerned about. Sorry, I've got a cold. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I got up early in the morning. that so few
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  Speaker 2: British Columbians think that we're on the right track is
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  Speaker 2: a really concerning figure. I think it's like 19% or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. And like almost 60% say we're headed
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  Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. It's really hard to see a
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  Speaker 2: majority if those numbers hold. But by the same token,
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  Speaker 2: like if these are right or close to right, there's
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  Speaker 2: so many different parties right now. They're going to break
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  Speaker 2: down differently in every writing. And like we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about before, they're, will be some ridings that have five
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  Speaker 2: candidates from these different parties and some that will have
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  Speaker 2: only three or even maybe two, I don't know. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's a very difficult one to predict in terms
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  Speaker 2: of what the actual outcome is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could end up with certain ridings being kind
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  Speaker 1: of undercut in different ways to produce that sort of
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  Speaker 1: false popular vote that we saw during part of, I think,
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  Speaker 1: the New Democrat election. uh, reign in the nineties where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the liberals won the popular vote, but lost
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  Speaker 1: the election because certain writings just didn't break. They just split.
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  Speaker 1: And you could have weird situations like that here too,
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  Speaker 1: with a lead in the polls for the conservatives, but
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  Speaker 1: not enough seats under, uh, first past the post. So,
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  Speaker 1: although if you, I try not to watch the modeling,
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  Speaker 1: people will do modeling on these polls and come out with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like the seat numbers for the parties. And
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  Speaker 1: I just can't, I see them and I'm like, Oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, what, what is what? But they're, They're frightening,
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  Speaker 1: like they add a level of sort of unnecessary, undeserved
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  Speaker 1: clarity to the idea of the seat count, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you can extrapolate from individual polls.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. And I think that the coalitions have shifted so
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  Speaker 2: much that it's like quite difficult to predict how it's
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  Speaker 2: going to shake out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One more topic here. We'll just slide this in. It
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: sounds like the prime minister is going to announce the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: West Coast pipeline designated in the national interest is early.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: as tomorrow, which is Thursday, on your calendars. It's perhaps
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: no coincidence that while he was in Vancouver, he made
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: an announcement for $ 1. 2 billion in frontline conservation enforcement and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: marine water safety on the ocean, perhaps to mitigate what
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: is coming, which will be this pipeline decision and concerns
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: from a lot of people that an oil pipeline, another
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: one to the coast, to Delta Port from Alberta, could
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: cause pollute the environment uh and cause the risk of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: tanker crashes and pollution that way julian i it was
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: kind of buried behind the lng canada but it's something
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: i guess the liberals are going to point to uh
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: when they try to mount a defense of this uh
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: later in the week and uh and say look at
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: what we're doing we're not ignoring the ocean uh it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: part of this but i i don't i don't know
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: how big of an issue do you think the pipeline
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: will be if it lands in the election campaign.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I think that it could be, like, I think we're
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: starting to see some backlash from this, like, massive big project,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: natural resource push, starting to see the, like, even though
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the Liberals swept the last three by-elections, we did see
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the Green and the NDP vote start to increase. And
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: we're starting to see more protests and things like that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: There was a really moving one with a bunch of
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: grandparents on the front steps of Parliament Hill with their
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Pictures of their grandchildren protesting Carney backsliding on climate action.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And Carney talked a lot about the threat of the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: pipeline and the tankers to the southern resident killer whales,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: who scientists believe could become extinct from increased tanker traffic.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Carney's rolled back endangered species rules to enable his government
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: to issue permits in the event that it does endanger
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: an endangered species. And I think that that is something
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that is going to strike at people's heartstrings in B.C.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and sort of get wrapped up in, like we were
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: talking about before, in the NDP's shift rightward on resource development,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: on their abandonment of environmental issues, and certainly cost them
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: some support on that side of things.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be another issue that only Emily Lowen
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: will be making a point about on this pipeline, uh,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: because the conservatives are going to be saying, that's great.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You know, it should have been done faster.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Except for Ian Patton.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's going to be like, don't do it here. Don't,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: probably keep him quiet. So he doesn't, uh, but yeah, no, it's, uh,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Certainly what was a huge issue on the agenda of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the political agenda earlier this year. Now, I'm not sure
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: how it's going to land in an election campaign. Okay. Jillian,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: thanks for getting up and doing this so early with
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a cold as well. It's that back to school season
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: cold that everybody has. I think because the kids, they
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: get the sticky fingers and the whatnot.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We're on our second virus in like the first
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: three weeks of school.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a good thing we're doing this remotely because
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't caught anything yet. And you won't catch anything
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: by listening to this either. I swear.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, Jillian. We'll see you on Political
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Capital Prime on Friday. And thanks to everyone for listening.
• 20:57
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• 21:00
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