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#66 Barely Live - It's a Fly Whoahman's World · Barely Live

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  Speaker 1: Take one, because that's all the takes it's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, what's up, Paul? Hey, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening? You doing good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, just, you know, kicking around the house, getting
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  some stuff done, just kind of off work. Yeah, man,
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  what's going on? What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know when I saw you, poor house, the
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  other day, we said let's get a phone call about
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  the next better live date, and it's been forever since
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  we've been doing it. We've got people hounding us to
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  do it, so let's figure it out. Maybe next week.
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  Let's see, I've got... Yeah, yeah, I was thinking... Let.
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  Speaker 2: Me pull my schedule up here, man. You know how
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  it is with all the kids and all the bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at.
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  August, actually, well, no, it's July right now. So I
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  was looking at, like, July 7th. The 7th.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on a second. Let me pull that. No, man,
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  I'm not good on the 7th. The air in my
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  truck tire is getting old. I got to change it
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  all out. And so I'm booked, man. It's going to
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  take me all damn day. I can't do that. What
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  do you got going on on, like, the 9th? July 9th? Yeah,
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  July 9th.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm slow cooking a brisket all day on
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  that day, man. It's just kind of one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: You can't leave those alone. I mean, the way meat's priced, shit.
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  You can't ruin a brisket. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what about the following month of July 13th?
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  Speaker 2: Kids in a school play, man, they're doing a rendition
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  of Schindler's list. Um, I got, yeah, she's got a
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  lead role, uh, you know, strap pajamas and all, but I,
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  let me, uh, let's see the 11th maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, no, dude, I'm patching the deck boards. Like I'm
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  patching the patches on the deck boards and.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you're still working on that day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a.
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  Speaker 1: Three year project. Just, uh, I'm actually patching the deck
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  boards that I put in three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, shit. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. It makes perfect sense.
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  Speaker 1: What about July 17th? That's a Friday, but I feel
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  like that's, you know, why not?
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  Speaker 2: I would, man, but I got to go get fitted
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  out for a tux. I'm going to a housewarming, and
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  you got to look nice for these kind of things.
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  So me and the wife, I got to go get
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  fitted out for this stupid tux, man. You know how
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  that goes. You get in there, it takes all damn day.
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  All right, look, I got one of the kids screaming
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  in the background. Can we– oh, all right, hold on
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  a second, honey. I'm going to be here in a minute.
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  What do you think about the 15th, the 15th afternoon?
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  Last try here.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I'm doing a photo shoot for a client. We're
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  reenacting this tarpon jumping full-scale mount. Like it's jumping out
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  of the wall. He caught it on a pontoon boat. Oh, yeah.
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  We're like, I have to do this shot of him.
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  We hired this crane to hold the tarpon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're going to use the mount out in the water?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're reenacting the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, damn. That sounds like an operation. Well, hey, look,
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  I got a kid screaming back there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hey, I'll call you in three days. Let's just
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  nail this down. Let's try to do it by the
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  end of August, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We got to get it done. We
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  got to get it done. End of August. No later.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you later, Paul. We'll talk about it. Okay, bye.
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  Speaker 1: That was loud.
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  Speaker 2: And not me. Technical difficulties. And not me. And not me.
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: No, there's nothing like Munich.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 6: Hello?
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  Speaker 7: What?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Florida.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well, I'll talk to you later. What?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: Listen up.
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  Speaker 9: All right, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: West.
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  Speaker 10: I think your bedazzled jeans are too tight.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm in.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, you can use some of our American Express miles.
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  Speaker 2: To get your ticket.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about the.
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  Speaker 2: It feels good, doesn't it? We've been sitting here talking
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  for a little longer than we intended and we probably
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  wasted a whole other show's worth of material. We could
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  have done a whole other show. A lot of that
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  we could not record. Yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Are we feeling good about the... Sage, are you over there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, say hi, Sage. Whoa.
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  Speaker 7: I'm the ghost that just entered.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa. We have a new character. Special guest. Wow. She's
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  churching the place up. She brought a bottle of wine,
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  like one with a cork. I don't know that we've
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  ever had a bottle of wine with a cork. Doug's
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  brought it in cans. Oh, I have. He's had it
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  in cans. No, but that's different. Yeah, rosé.
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  Speaker 11: Rosé in a can is very elegant.
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  Speaker 2: Elegant? Elegant?
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  Speaker 9: Elegant?
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  Speaker 8: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The can.
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  Speaker 11: Socially acceptable.
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  Speaker 2: Socially acceptable.
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  Speaker 1: If it's in a can, it's elegant.
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  Speaker 9: Elegant.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far.
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  Speaker 11: Elegant.
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  Speaker 2: But she rolled up. What do we got here?
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  Speaker 7: It's a nice bottle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Debruzio. I don't even know what that means. Debruzio.
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  Are you sure you pronounced that right?
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 2: I would almost guarantee that I did not. What's the
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  price of that thing? Let's see, $ 13. 99.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we could do a really fun game, have
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  all of us pronounce Italian things.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing worse than my English is my Italian.
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  I went to Italy one time, believe it or not.
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  I'm a well-traveled man. Wow, you went to Italy?
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  Speaker 7: One trip to Italy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I spent like 10 days on the Amalfi Coast.
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  They let you in. My cousin got married over there.
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  She has money. We do not. I went. And I
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  enjoyed myself. But anyway, I couldn't speak Italian, obviously. I
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  know some broken Spanish here and there. It works pretty
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  well with Italian because they're both Latin-based and all that.
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  Speaker 11: Is that no mas tequila, por favor?
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  Speaker 2: That's Spanish. That's Spanish. But I got by on Spanish.
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  And generally speaking, they would just feel bad for you
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  if you tried really hard. And then they would just
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  speak English, too, because they all spoke English. But if
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  you tried, at least they're like, all right, this is terrible.
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  Stop doing that. Let's just talk in English here.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. So, Sage, you're hanging out with us today.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you being here. Let's just do the intro.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be hard to stretch this out. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we need to let the people know.
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  Speaker 2: We have plans. Who this mystery girl is. And as usual,
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  we broke it. Yeah, you're wearing your Lady Fly Club hat.
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  I'm wearing the.
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  Speaker 7: Lady Fly Club hat. The one of one. I need
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  to make them.
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  Speaker 2: Are you the only person in the club?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, you've
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  got one hat.
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  Speaker 11: No, it's one of one. Mike, you are married and
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  you have children. But you do not.
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  Speaker 2: Stop flirting. You do have shirts. You do have shirts.
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  Speaker 7: I had shirts. They sold out. Everything sells out. I
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  have 50 to 100 women come to every event.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm in the works. We're getting hats. But that's why
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  I have to tell everyone one-on-one because we want it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, last time I went and dropped some stuff off,
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  I hung out for like an hour. Y'all were about
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  to have your big event. And as I was leaving,
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  they were just like, pouring rain of women and cars
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  coming into this event at Freehouse Brewery.
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  Speaker 2: The Freehouse, by the way, is a great place for the...
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  We've done events there. We recorded a show there one time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a cool spot, man. It's not that
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  far from my house. I should be there.
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  Speaker 11: So, Lady Fly Club.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. How many members?
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  Speaker 1: Or is there a member thing?
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  Speaker 7: There's not exclusive membership. It's free for all. I'd say
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  I've never had... Less than 40 women show up to
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  an event.
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  Speaker 8: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: My highest was the last casting event at Freehouse Brewery.
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  I had around 95 to 100 women. We didn't get
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  a final heck of a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That is awesome.
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  Speaker 7: I got two carried away.
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  Speaker 2: It looked packed, though. It was packed.
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  Speaker 7: It was crazy, which I'm so happy I did it
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  there because we couldn't accommodate that many women.
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  Speaker 3: And how many of those were dating guys with Beers
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  and trucker cabs.
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  Speaker 7: You are asking the real questions here.
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  Speaker 2: There's no shame here.
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  Speaker 11: You're asking the real questions.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's awesome that so many women are getting it.
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  I mean, like Kelsey Dick, she's amazing.
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  Speaker 7: She's epic.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, she's incredible. And so there's so many women getting into.
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  Speaker 1: The sport, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 7: Especially in Charleston. This is like the mecca. I'm from
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  South Florida, and I tell people all the time, I
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  don't think I could have this club in South Florida.
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  It's even bigger in Charleston.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny.
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  Speaker 11: All my bad habits are from South Florida.
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  Speaker 1: He goes down there and meets a new one every time.
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  Speaker 2: Every time. Every time he gets down there, he finds
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  another bad habit. Do you bring.
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  Speaker 1: Them back with you, or do they stay down here?
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  Speaker 2: I try to leave behind sometimes.
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  Speaker 7: That's your Vegas?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: What happens in SoFlo stays in SoFlo.
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  Speaker 2: I wish it did. No, it all comes back. Do
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  you think that's because....
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe more people, more women in South Florida already
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  fly fish and there's less people that already do it
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  and more, they're fly curious here, if you might say.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, did you say fly curious? I did.
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  Speaker 7: Paul using the word fly curious, like I feel like
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  I've heard it before. It's kind of triggering, but no.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it. Well, you have to now. I'm
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  going to vote no.
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  Speaker 7: You're going to X that term.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fly curious. I'm killing it in the grave. I'm
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  strangling that one in the grave. Why do you think
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  it's so big here? I think it's because.
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  Speaker 7: We have so many women here, one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Two, it's very, well, I'm on the road. I think
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  I'm making it more accessible. And in Florida, it's, or
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  in any other place in my mind, it's very exclusive
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  to who's always been doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's kind of this thing, if you don't know
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  much about it, it's kind of this thing that feels
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  so far off and takes a lot of money in
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  order to be able to even try it or even
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  enjoy it or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one of my good friends, Hot Rod Rummel. Yeah.
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  Hot Rod Rummel. Yeah, Hot Rod Rummel. Sorry. Yeah, I'm
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  blanking on her actual real name because I never called
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  her anything other than Hot Rod.
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  Speaker 1: I've never called her anything other than Hot Rod.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she would want you to. Rummel is
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  her last name. I remember her last name. But no,
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  what I was going to say is.
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  Speaker 1: She does the ladies' tarpon tournament.
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  Speaker 2: Tarpon tournament in the Keys. So this is relevant. Don't
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  come out like I got nothing to say.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, we're circling back.
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  Speaker 11: Wait, is that Travis's wife?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's Rob Rummel's wife. Oh, okay. Yeah, so anyway,
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  Hot Rod, she helps organize and manage the ladies' fly tournaments,
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  tarpon tournaments down in the Keys. And I feel like
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  she and you would get along very well. She's very accessible.
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  She's all about like that. She's worked for in this
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  industry for a very long time, starting way back in
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  the day. But I agree with you. I feel like
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  down there, just like the men's tournament, everything is so
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  structured and everything is so hierarchical. It's very competitive. And
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  you don't just get to join a tournament. You have
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  to be invited or you have to have a slot
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  open up. And then it's excessively expensive in order to participate.
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  So even if you get, oh, you have this slot,
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  you've earned, quote unquote, I'm putting air quotes here. You've
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  earned your right into this tournament. Oh, that's going to
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  be $ 10, 000 at minimum in order to participate in said tournament.
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  And you get a painting in return. So, yeah. Fucking artist.
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  I know. I would rather just give Paul the $ 10, 000
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  and get the painting.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so when you think about a tournament that's been
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  so inner circle, so private. The fact that so many
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  women are taking over that space speaks to the energy
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  behind women in that sport.
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  Speaker 2: It really does, but it further increases her point, though,
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  that that's a much more intimidating world. If you're going
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  to go step into fly fishing at any level, men, women,
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  it doesn't matter. If that is the local women's club,
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  is this hierarchical, big-deal tournament world, it's a little different than, like, hey,
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  we can hang out and have some beers and learn
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  how to cast at a cool brewery, or we can
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  learn how to go fishing. We can become... Fisherman.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Without this weirdness. Sage, what do you think of that?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it doesn't, Lady Fly Club and anything
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  like it can exist in any ecosystem. It doesn't necessarily
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  have to be this ultra accessible. I think, The reason
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  it flourishes so well in Charleston is because of that
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  and our heavily women population.
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  Speaker 2: It was like 7-1 at College of Charleston when I
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  came down here in 2000.
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  Speaker 1: You just shut your mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was good odds. Even a homely-looking man
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  like myself.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's 73 is the actual.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. A homely-looking man like myself did well.
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  Speaker 11: She's making a really good point there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's why I think it thrives here. But
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  not to say it couldn't thrive in South Florida, I think.
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  just maybe to even more of a less entry-level women way,
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  more of a experienced angler way, and just trying to
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  find some community, and yeah, I think as far as
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  the entire fishing world and industry goes, women tend to
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  lean into fly fishing, I think, because we're naturally more
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  slow and patient and can listen.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, there's no ego.
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  Speaker 2: If you've ever, like, taught someone to fly a fish. Oh,
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  I'll teach a woman a hundred times before I'll teach
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  a woman.
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  Speaker 7: And every guide I've ever been on always says the
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  same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. Because they listen.
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  Speaker 1: They don't automatically think they know how to do it.
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  Speaker 7: They don't walk onto a boat with you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Alexandra, I wouldn't want to fish against her. Dude,
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  I taught, I don't know how many people I've taught
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  to cast in my life. But yeah, I used to
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  make that joke all the time. I would tell guys
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  when they come out and they'd be wanting to cast
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  on us or whatever. I'd be like, I'd rather teach
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  a chick 100 times. They listen. They listen to what
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  the fuck I'm telling them to do. Bree Drake has
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  caught more. You think you know what you're doing and
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  I'm going to tell you how to fix your shit,
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  but you're not going to listen to me because you
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  have fucking ego. If I watch you, Cassage, I'm like, hey,
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  you're doing great, but hey, try this. Try that. Do this.
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  Do that. You know what she's going to do? What
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  the fuck I said to do? And it's going to
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  work for her. The dude, I have to wait 10
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  minutes and be like, are you done? Are you done?
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be sad for five minutes first.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: Because she told him he was doing it wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I can remember years ago fishing a flood tide with
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  Caroline Irwin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: And Caroline stayed on the pole the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: She was like, I am up here. Like, you just
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  stay up there on the bow. Let me show you
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  where all the tails are.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it was awesome. I was like.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's a really cool thing to see evolving.
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  Speaker 2: I've worked with my wife a little bit over the years.
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  We done messed up and no one had kids, so
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  that shit's all kind of on the back burner. But
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  we've done a little fishing, and I took her out
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  on her first real, like, flood tide years ago, and
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  I had been working with her a little bit. To my,
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  I didn't put as much time in it with her
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  as I should have, but I took her out, and
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  to be 100% honest, I didn't think she was going to,
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  have a shot in hell. I'm like, we're going to
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  see some fish. She's not going to be able to
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  get in front of them. So I, I worked on
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  her on the cast. I'm like, all right. Cause she had,
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  she had done some trout fishing and stuff. She had
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  never done anything with an A weight. And I was like,
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  all right, look, you know, you got to do this,
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  do that. So I was like, What I didn't do
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  was explain what you do after you hook a fish,
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  because I didn't think she was ever going to hook
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  a fucking fish, because I'm an asshole, and that's where
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  my brain went. I was like, this ain't going to work.
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  I'm just going to be a good husband. That's when
• 15:36
  all the fun starts. We're going to have a nice evening.
• 15:39
  We're going to drink some beers. It's going to be good.
• 15:41
  So we go out, and a fish is tailing in
• 15:44
  front of us, and we go out there. I'm like,
• 15:45
  all right. I spin the boat. I'm like, he's at
• 15:47
  11 o'clock. lead it by two, three feet, whatever, you know,
• 15:51
  whatever the situation was. I don't remember. And she put
• 15:53
  the fucking fly right where I told her to put it.
• 15:54
  I'm like, oh, fuck.
• 15:55
  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, move it. She moved it, and
• 15:58
  that fish piledrove it. And she set the hook so
• 16:01
  fucking hard.
• 16:02
  Speaker 11: Takes a woman's touch. Takes a woman's touch.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: There you go. She strip set so hard, she broke
• 16:06
  20-pound fluorocarbon. What?
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: She did exactly what you said, though.
• 16:12
  Speaker 11: Your wife's a very strong woman.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: She's a very strong woman.
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: All I'm hearing is it wasn't rigged.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Good enough for her. No, there was no curly news.
• 16:21
  Speaker 11: That was a clean break.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think that was her. That was a clean break.
• 16:25
  And so anyway, next fit, I'm like, okay, all right, cool. Well,
• 16:28
  all right, not so hard next time. I was like,
• 16:31
  you just need to get tight to them. They'll set themselves.
• 16:33
  All right, so I tie another fly on her. She's
• 16:35
  not going to see another fish. Fish. Boom. Puts it
• 16:38
  in front of it. I was like, God damn. She sits,
• 16:41
  and then she's got him, and he goes. I'm like, oh, hell,
• 16:43
  she got it. And then she doesn't let any line out.
• 16:46
  She just holds it because I didn't explain the next
• 16:48
  step of the process. What's a whole other operation? And
• 16:50
  I'm like, I was like, let it go. Pow. She
• 16:53
  did the hardest part. She did the hardest part. She
• 16:56
  fed the fish.
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: That's called living and learning in real time.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And you know what?
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: I bet she took each example.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: She did. And so I'm not going to do it
• 17:06
  next time.
• 17:06
  Speaker 11: I want to hear this, Ed.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: No, you go. I cut the fly off. Yeah. Or
• 17:10
  I cut the burnt end. I put it on the
• 17:12
  fly off. I'm like, man, so well, there's two. And
• 17:14
  these were both tankers. These were like 30 inches.
• 17:15
  Speaker 11: Are you going to tell me she got a third?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Third fish. We go pulling down the line. Third fish
• 17:20
  rolls up. Another fucking tank. These are not little fish.
• 17:23
  These are big fish, of course. Nice fish.
• 17:25
  Speaker 11: Are you twitching at this point?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 11: You want to get out there. Give me the rod.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Cast.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, God damn it. Strip set. I'm like, there
• 17:37
  it is.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Beautiful. I'm staking the pole out. I'm getting down. I'm
• 17:40
  getting ready to have the greatest husband-wife moment ever. And
• 17:44
  then she grabs on the reel. She starts reeling. She
• 17:46
  understands that concept. Fish starts to run again. She doesn't
• 17:50
  understand the concept of a fly reel. If she had
• 17:52
  a billy pate in her hand, she would have been set.
• 17:54
  She did not have a billy pate in her hand.
• 17:56
  She did not let go of that handle.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Now, to be fair, most of the boys that we
• 18:01
  teach don't know that.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not blaming this on her being a girl. But
• 18:06
  she went three for three on like stud, at least
• 18:09
  with 30 inches. You know why?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: It's because women have a certain amount of grace and
• 18:13
  gentleness and still aggressiveness that it takes to get the stunt.
• 18:17
  So while we're on the subject, Sage, I do want
• 18:20
  to ask you, can you give us a little background
• 18:22
  on when you started with a fly rod in your hand?
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah. So my path to fly fishing is very nonlinear. Well,
• 18:33
  my name's Sage, to start us off.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if you guys know there's a
• 18:36
  rod company or something like that. Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: Runs in the family.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, does that, I mean, under your, well, you'll
• 18:42
  tell the story.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: It does not have anything to do with why I
• 18:44
  was named Sage or the brand, although that would be
• 18:48
  a really cool story.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: But, so, I was, when I, this is, like, A
• 18:56
  real story. The day I was born, my dad's best
• 19:00
  friend was a pro Orvis guide and gifted me a
• 19:02
  fly rod the day I was born. Which is crazy
• 19:05
  because I never picked it up until maybe I was 15.
• 19:08
  That's awesome.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: But it's always been there.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: That's awesome. And I never got into it until after college.
• 19:17
  But my dad is a charter guide that doesn't fish.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: Which is also... Confuses a lot of people. He's been
• 19:27
  that for 30 years, and he loves it. His way
• 19:29
  to connect to the islands and the water is through
• 19:33
  sharing stories and history and wildlife and not to catch fish,
• 19:38
  and that's just how he is. So he's taught me
• 19:41
  a little bit about fly fishing, and he's fly fished himself,
• 19:45
  but to no extent of any other charge. guide, I'd say.
• 19:51
  So everyone always automatically thinks, oh, your dad's a guide.
• 19:54
  He taught you how to fish. No, that's not how
• 19:57
  it went.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: You had your own way.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: But, yeah. And then I went to college and got
• 20:04
  away from the outdoors and was on a different path to...
• 20:10
  much faster lifestyle and then decided that's not the way
• 20:14
  I wanted to go and then I backpacked Australia for
• 20:17
  a few months by myself and took a fly rod
• 20:20
  I don't know why I just felt like gravitating towards
• 20:25
  if I'm gonna do this I need to bring a
• 20:26
  fly rod and I took it. I charted a guide
• 20:29
  for Bear Mundy in Hitchinbrook Island, which is awesome.
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: It's so sick. Um, we caught little GTs.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: I was like one of my first experiences really, um,
• 20:41
  on a trip with a guide and getting into fly fishing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And then how many, how many years ago is this roughly?
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: This is like, uh, this is maybe like three years ago.
• 20:51
  Not that long.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: So you were like, Kindred spirit, because any of these
• 20:55
  guys who I've loved my entire life.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And we would do the same thing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: We'd be like, we're going on a trip, and we
• 21:04
  wouldn't leave.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Without a flyer.
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And so that's awesome.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Even if, like, I mean, I only fished once in
• 21:10
  the two months I was traveling 2,000 miles.
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: But just to have it and know that, like, if
• 21:16
  the opportunity comes, I want to have it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: Something inside of you wanted it to be there.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: The aforementioned Italy trip, I took a nine-way with me.
• 21:25
  I know you did. A nine-way to Italy? I was
• 21:28
  on Capri for 10 days. Were you trying to catch
• 21:31
  a tourist? Wow. I went down in the mornings before
• 21:35
  the tourists showed up. I would go down, and there was, like,
• 21:37
  these beaches, and there was, like, these axes that climbed rocks.
• 21:39
  I didn't catch shit, but... I was throwing clousers around
• 21:42
  the rocks. I was hoping something would happen. But, like,
• 21:44
  I traveled all the way to Italy and back with
• 21:45
  a three-piece Loomis 9-weight, like, stuffed in the thing.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: I'm in the Mediterranean, baby. You were in Australia. So
• 21:53
  that's my story. When did you ever pull it out?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: What? I.
• 22:00
  You had to go there. This is not a bar.
• 22:02
  This is not a bar. You lob a softball like that,
• 22:04
  and you're going to expect me not to swing it?
• 22:06
  We all thought it, but we didn't all have to
• 22:08
  say it. Anyway.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Paul's over here playing like a mediator.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: This is going to be the most listened to podcast
• 22:16
  we've ever had.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: You lob a softball like that across this table, I'm
• 22:19
  going to swing it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: Every fucking time. Has there ever been a girl on
• 22:22
  this podcast?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: No. As a guest, we've had a girl. We've called
• 22:26
  them usually. On the phone. Most of our guests... Well,
• 22:30
  most of our guests, we call them. We do a
• 22:33
  lot of phone calls. We're going to do a phone
• 22:34
  call today on this call.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Grizz, we're calling Grizz.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so most of our guest interviews that we've done.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: She's kind of a girl.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. Most of our interviews we've ever done are
• 22:42
  always via phone, and we have done some ladies in
• 22:45
  the past.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Did you say phone?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Via phone. We did the Rumbles, actually. Hot Rod, who
• 22:48
  I was just talking about. Let's refocus.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: We've got to find out how she got the troll.
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: I didn't want to know this answer. Okay, so while
• 22:53
  you were in Australia, did you ever.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Fly fish. There you go.
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I chartered the guide.
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: Okay, okay.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: But on my own. For barramundi. Unbelievable.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: Do you know, are you familiar with them?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: They're basically bass. They're just like Australian bass. I've seen
• 23:07
  a lot of YouTube.
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: They're like Australian black bass.
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: A lot of YouTube.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: They're like snook maybe. They got a face like a snook.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: They're like snook.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Snook triple tail bass. Yeah, they kind of snook triple
• 23:16
  tail bass.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Mike, do you remember the YouTube video of the guys
• 23:20
  that went to.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: They took a bunch of 12-ways.
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: They took a bunch of 12-ways out to the Great
• 23:26
  Barrier Reef.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: Is that what you call it?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: No, and they were just trolling on the Great Barrier Reef,
• 23:31
  just teasing whatever they could, throwing 12-ways out.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Well, Bear Monday, aren't they freshwater?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: They can be both. They're like brackish. They're saltwater.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: I was in like... You know they have an Everglades
• 23:42
  in Australia?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: I felt like I was back home. It looks just
• 23:46
  like South Florida. Once you get north... To North Australia. Okay.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Isn't it like New South Wales or something? New South
• 23:53
  Wales is.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: At the bottom.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I'm more of an old South Wales guy.
• 23:56
  The top's Queensland.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: If you get up in Queensland, it looks just like Florida.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So you went back.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: How did you find living where you were in Florida
• 24:07
  growing up there? How did you choose Charleston one day
• 24:09
  to move to?
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: That's another one of those just like. I moved here
• 24:15
  with a 14-day notice on a whim. Didn't know a
• 24:18
  single person here. I just needed a change. I wanted
• 24:22
  to be around younger people, and I wanted to still
• 24:25
  be able to fly fish wherever I ended up.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: A lot of old people in South Florida.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of old people in South Florida. And
• 24:31
  I was like, what town can I move to where
• 24:33
  I can still fly fish, but.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Live the life.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: But grow my career.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And you chose Charleston.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: And I chose Charleston. Well, I'm also like... Born and
• 24:42
  raised in salt water. I didn't want to be anywhere
• 24:45
  near fresh water.
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: We're glad you did.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: If I can ask a couple of technical questions and
• 24:50
  then we can move past it. So when you were
• 24:52
  over there, were you using flooding line?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: What kind of floods?
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: When I was in Australia?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: Flooding line. What kind of floods?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: What are we doing? Are we getting technical? Wow.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You sound like a trout nerd.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's not that kind of show, bro. I just want
• 25:06
  to know.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Get the freshwater thing out of your mind. There was
• 25:09
  nothing freshwater around. It was very, very similar to.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Salty. Snook fishing. To be fair, I think the barramundi can't...
• 25:18
  They're like those brackish fish. They can be on the
• 25:21
  fresh side. However, you're right. They live in mangroves and
• 25:23
  all that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: The way I was fishing was totally different. And honestly,
• 25:27
  I'm not a pro. I didn't know much about it.
• 25:29
  I was just like, I want to fly fish. So
• 25:32
  it's so funny. I was actually... So I was driving
• 25:35
  up the coast, went into this tackle shop or something
• 25:38
  in Noosa. And I walk in, and I was in
• 25:43
  no plans. I didn't even have the place I was
• 25:44
  going to stay the next day, the whole way I backpacked.
• 25:47
  And I walk in, and I ask, hey, are there
• 25:49
  any fly guides up north? I'm headed up north. And
• 25:54
  the guys literally, like, drop what they're doing and go.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I bet they did.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: But they go. They're also like, is this American girl? Like, whatever.
• 26:03
  And they're like, we were just having a conversation about
• 26:07
  how there's not enough fly guides or we were just
• 26:09
  talking about fly fishing. And I kid you not, they
• 26:12
  wrote this guy's number down on a sticky note. I
• 26:15
  texted him. He was on like a mother ship somewhere.
• 26:17
  He couldn't do it. He sent me another guy's number.
• 26:21
  And basically there's like five guides. I had all their
• 26:24
  numbers at one point.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Like it is so uncommon. I mean, and there's Aussie
• 26:30
  fly fish. He's way up there. I didn't make it
• 26:32
  all the way up to Cape York. I wish I did.
• 26:34
  But also, remember, at this time, I wasn't even into
• 26:37
  fly fishing the way I am now. That was what
• 26:39
  got me into it. So I was, like, new.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: When you were there in Australia, were you saying to yourself,
• 26:47
  this is pretty cool, I'm digging this? Or did you
• 26:48
  have to get home to realize how awesome it was?
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: That's a great question. I think it was almost, like,
• 26:57
  more of the people commenting. I think people thought I was, like,
• 27:01
  some crazy person. badass like travel they were always like
• 27:05
  what's in the tube everyone would say that no one
• 27:07
  knew what it was they were like what's in the
• 27:09
  tube airports got like people i mean any irish guys
• 27:12
  from over here no one knew and like it's not
• 27:15
  big in australia it's really not big at all like
• 27:18
  they can't even get boats there they can't even get
• 27:21
  skiffs they don't like every skiff maker's out in the
• 27:24
  States or something.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Everything's double the price just to go there.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: It's insane.
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: And yet there's so many fish to catch there.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, my God. Which, like, protect that at all costs.
• 27:34
  It's insane. The colors and everything. But I don't know.
• 27:38
  I think maybe I got into it after realizing, like,
• 27:42
  what I could do. And also just kind of intimidating
• 27:46
  being from South Florida, growing up with a charter guide
• 27:50
  as your dad, but not knowing how to fish. It
• 27:52
  seems like a, weird advantage and disadvantage to just being
• 27:57
  respected in that world.
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: So you were totally solo. You walked into this place.
• 28:02
  You said, listen, guys.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is what I want to do.
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: Is there anyone who can help guide me?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: You guys know about the white man.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: And some candy. After this, we can move on. But
• 28:16
  this is the craziest part. I'm in another country. Australia
• 28:19
  is super safe, by the way. I didn't ever feel unsafe.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I have two daughters, and this is giving me like
• 28:23
  a baby chibi zone.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: I'm in another country, and I booked this guide, and
• 28:29
  his name is John, John Snell.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Shout out. Awesome.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: John Snell.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: What?
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: You'll hear it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: Okay. And I booked this guide. I'm, like, a few
• 28:42
  weeks out from when I'm going to be up in
• 28:44
  the town that he is in. And I... So Hitchinbrook
• 28:50
  Island is two hours south of Cairns, Australia. And Cairns
• 28:54
  was the last town I was staying in. So it
• 28:57
  was actually the end of my trip. And Cairns is, like,
• 28:59
  the most northern, right below Cape York.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: Okay. Kansas is like a city, almost like a small
• 29:08
  New York. There's no comparable American city, but it's a
• 29:11
  big city. I'm staying in a hostel in the middle
• 29:14
  of a big city.
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: It's like Charlotte on the coast.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Charlotte on the guess.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: I say mini New York. You think Charlotte?
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: Mini New York. I'm thinking Trenton.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: New Jersey.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: Trenton, New Jersey. It's uncomparable. It was a big city.
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: So anyway, so you meet this guy.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: So I booked this guide, and we're going out eight hours,
• 29:38
  I think it was, all day. Eight to four, right?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: That's a long trip.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: That was like, the way he presented it was.
• 29:46
  That's what a full day is, guys. Charter guys, listen
• 29:49
  to me.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell all these charter guys. I wish
• 29:52
  the guys at Keys still thought that was a full day.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: $ 2, 500.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: $ 2, 500, seven to three. We do not fish past three.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Seems like a full day seems to be five hours.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Guys, this is a full day.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: We're going to run an hour and a half each direction.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so, well, it was like, okay, I'll tell you.
• 30:09
  This is why it was so crazy. I'm alone. This
• 30:12
  and this was like the sweetest. Charter Guide. He's, I
• 30:17
  don't know, maybe in his 60s. And he... I love
• 30:24
  this song. Sorry.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: This is literally my favorite song. But we can't draw
• 30:27
  attention to the songs because then Spotify won't play it
• 30:30
  for us.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: Wait, you got to hear it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So I booked this guy.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: He picks me up in his truck. I'm not, because
• 30:37
  I don't have a car. I could Uber to like
• 30:39
  a ramp if that was a thing. It's not a
• 30:41
  thing the way we were doing it. He picks me
• 30:44
  up in his truck with the skiff on the trailer.
• 30:50
  And I think it was like a Hell's Bay he
• 30:52
  tried so crazy hard to get. It was crazy.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine how hard that was to get that? Yes.
• 30:58
  I just make my own. He picks me up.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: Picture, middle of the city, hostel, 5 a.m., middle of
• 31:04
  the night, dark. I'm in a hostel with like metal
• 31:09
  bars on my door because it's in the middle of
• 31:11
  the city. And there's a lot of homelessness. This is, like, the, like,
• 31:14
  it's still a very safe country, but this is, like,
• 31:16
  the most unsafe area out of everywhere I was. Picks
• 31:20
  me up at 5 a.m., walks to my hostel door, which,
• 31:23
  because he just asked, like, oh, where are you staying?
• 31:26
  I'll pick you up there. Walks to my hostel door.
• 31:28
  At first, I, like, I walk down, I see him,
• 31:30
  I go, I can't walk out. There's someone at my door.
• 31:32
  It was him, though. I just didn't know what he
• 31:34
  looked like.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: There's a crazy homeless person. There's, like, there's a person.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: He's standing there in, like, a button-down, like, white shirt, like,
• 31:40
  Tucked in, like, so nice. 5 a.m., it's dark out.
• 31:43
  I get in his truck. We drive two hours to
• 31:46
  the boat ramp.
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: Did he start fixing his hair when he saw you?
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: No, this is, like, a sweet old man. This was, like, the, like,
• 31:53
  perfect case scenario.
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: I know, it's awesome.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: But I was, like, this is crazy for my first
• 31:58
  solo trip booked.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie to you. This is pretty wild.
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: Two hours I'm in the car.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know how hard it is to talk
• 32:06
  to your guide for an eight-hour trip. I'm talking to
• 32:08
  him for hours. 12 hours, because we had two hours driving,
• 32:12
  eight hours on the boat, we fish, we come back,
• 32:16
  then we still have two more hours for him to
• 32:18
  drop me off at my hostel. I've never heard of
• 32:22
  a guide in the States that would drive two hours to.
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: Pick up their line.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I do want to interject a little point here, because
• 32:30
  I've talked about this, I've written about this, but when
• 32:33
  you see your guide, right, like there's like.
• 32:37
  I'm sure at this point you fish with enough guides
• 32:39
  and you fish with enough people. There's an awkward moment. Well, yeah,
• 32:41
  but there's a point where there's a look, right? When
• 32:48
  you book a charter for whatever it is, right, whatever
• 32:50
  your purpose is, When I show up at the ramp,
• 32:53
  I don't know the guy, which is in the fly
• 32:54
  fishing world is rare. Usually I don't fish with anybody
• 32:56
  that I don't know. But if I show up, I
• 32:59
  bet you a snapper charter in Alabama one time. I
• 33:03
  don't know anybody in fucking Alabama. No, he didn't know me.
• 33:06
  And I didn't know him. But I know how to
• 33:09
  pick these. You look at the website. You can see
• 33:10
  the pictures. You can kind of pick it apart. Which
• 33:12
  one of these motherfuckers are Instagram heroes?
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: I couldn't even stalk this guy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, I'm going to try
• 33:17
  this guy. So I booked this guy. I show up.
• 33:19
  We show up at their dock at 5 a.m. or whatever.
• 33:21
  And I come around the corner, and I see his mate.
• 33:23
  So this is a snapper charter, so it's a big boat.
• 33:24
  So there's a mate in the cabin. Gotcha. I see
• 33:27
  the mate on the back, and it's fucking dark. It's 4.30
• 33:31
  in the morning. He's got a black and mild dangling
• 33:34
  from one lip, and he's hacking menhaden into bits. And
• 33:37
  he's got a non-ironic mullet and a dirty shirt on.
• 33:40
  And I looked over. Salty as hell.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: You go, I'm in the right place.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: That's a fan name. Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Are you making my non-ironic mullet?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Because I have one.
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: Non-ironic.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And so my dad, we had booked this order to
• 33:52
  go catch snapper and kill fish, right? And so I
• 33:54
  just turned around my dad. I was like, hey. we
• 33:56
  got the right fucking guys. Yeah. But it's the same thing.
• 34:00
  You book a tarpon guy, you book a trout guy
• 34:02
  in Montana. Did you feel like that? You see a
• 34:04
  certain guy. You want them to look like they haven't
• 34:05
  showered a little bit. What I want to know is
• 34:07
  when you came down to the bars and you saw Papaw.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: Did you feel like it was the right guy?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: You're like, I got the right guy or you got
• 34:12
  the creeps? Which way did it go?
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: No, he was fantastic. He was probably perfect.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: What did you feel when you saw Papaw?
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: I was like, oh my gosh. Because I was really
• 34:22
  nervous about Papaw. I texted or called my dad and
• 34:26
  I said, hey, like, so actually I'm remembering more now.
• 34:30
  I was like, hey, like, is this, so on my,
• 34:33
  I had booked it weeks out, right? And on my
• 34:36
  way up, as I'm meeting local Australian guys, I was like, hey,
• 34:42
  do you know anything about the fly fishing or fishing?
• 34:45
  No one knew anything, first of all. But I was like, hey,
• 34:49
  is it unusual for, a guide to pick me up
• 34:53
  two hours away and drive me. And they were like,
• 34:57
  they were all like, no, they were, they were like, no,
• 34:59
  that's how the way of life is. And I was like, okay,
• 35:03
  that made me feel a little better. So I kind
• 35:05
  of like surveyed the locals on what they said. And then,
• 35:09
  I mean, there were only five guides in, in the
• 35:13
  main land of where I was looking at as options.
• 35:16
  I was like, if it's not you, it's going to
• 35:17
  be somebody else doing the same thing.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: So, So you get there.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: But I felt very safe. He was very like grandpa. Yeah,
• 35:24
  of course he was.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Just like.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: And he wanted you to catch him. I'm sure he
• 35:29
  showed you the best water he had.
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: He was so sweet. Yeah, he was great. I think
• 35:33
  he was also probably like.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Are there currents?
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: Is it like tidal or anything?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: I, like, literally think of fishing in the Everglades.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: It is exactly, I'd say, exact same conditions, just upside down.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: So not mangroves, though, right?
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: They have mangroves.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Well, it is, yeah. Mangroves are worldwide, baby. Thank you, Mike.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Pacific.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Worldwide.
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: Worldwide mangroves. I, like.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Flew across the world just to end up right back home.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I'm back in Lodo.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: So the first fish you hooked, was it, like, really quick?
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: No, I think it was like getting in a groove
• 36:10
  after not, I mean, I hadn't casted in like two months, period.
• 36:14
  But yeah, and just seeing it out with him.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I want to talk more about non-ironic.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: Mullets?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Mullets.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: That's a band name.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: That is.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: I have dibs on that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: They're ironic when they're cringy and non-ironic when they're authentic
• 36:31
  to the wearer.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: They're ironic when they're a 20-year-old kid that's in college.
• 36:35
  We just got Mike Sarno Mullets. Has a mullet because
• 36:37
  his friends think it makes him look cool. They're non-ironic
• 36:40
  when the dude just has that haircut.
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: Just has not cut his hair.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when that's just his hair.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You had a non-ironic mullet back in the Carolina Reds movie.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: No, that was a mohawk. I don't know. That's true.
• 36:52
  When it goes all the way across the top. I
• 36:54
  don't know if you know how that works. You'll have
• 36:56
  to look up the movie. What year was that?
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: 2008?
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: 2007?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Were you born then?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good movie.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 2000. It would have been 2000. What movie?
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: Wait, did you say it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Looked up on YouTube, Carolina Reds.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the young fella are painting for Paul now. Paul
• 37:13
  doesn't paint his own paintings anymore. I want everybody to
• 37:15
  know that. It's AI. No, he has a human. He
• 37:18
  has a young human that is in here painting all night.
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: Child labor laws.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: He's painting all night.
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: He's a young human.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Not a child.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Not a child.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: He's a young guy. He just got out of the bar.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: He's a swollen age of 25.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Just a perfect age. He's in here painting when I
• 37:33
  came in. I was like, what's up? I was like,
• 37:34
  I don't paint my own paintings anymore. I got somebody
• 37:37
  for that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: He's painting that painting.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: Is that why they're looking better?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: No. No offense to it. When Mike was here, he
• 37:43
  was here painting.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And Mike left to go.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I was going to see if I could buy some
• 37:48
  beer somewhere, but I couldn't buy any.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: The second the door slammed behind Mike, he goes, is
• 37:53
  that Mike from the movie Carolina Reds?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, really?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I was amazed that he, because this.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Is an old film. Nobody's seen this movie in 20 years.
• 38:02
  I have.
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: I just watched it the other day.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: It's ancient. I watched it the.
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: Other day sitting on the couch. It was like 11
• 38:08
  o'clock at night.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: This is one of the first films that was ever
• 38:11
  made about like, Fly fishing Carolina Reds back.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: In the day. I want you to brace yourself. We
• 38:15
  filmed it on film, like actual real film. Not because
• 38:19
  we were being artsy, because their digital wasn't really a thing.
• 38:23
  Because that was your only option.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: It's got the nostalgic grain.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: That's how old we are.
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: Carolina Reds.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So when Mike left, I go, yeah, that's him. He goes, oh,
• 38:33
  my God. I was like, you've seen that movie? He goes, yeah,
• 38:35
  everyone has.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Don't think everyone has. She has it, obviously. She will soon.
• 38:42
  She's looking it up right now. We've got to take
• 38:44
  a break. We're going to hear.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: From an infomercial from this guy. He sent us in
• 38:51
  and paid us a little sponsorship money to be part
• 38:54
  of this.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Somebody's got to pay the bills, baby. Then we're going
• 38:57
  to take a little break and come right back.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: We're going to call Alec Griswold from Soulfly and get
• 39:02
  a vibe. We're going to find out.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: All right, folks.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: We're down here on the Charleston Harbor Marina boat dock.
• 39:19
  We've got Jimmy Jamerson. I am James Jamerson. And we're
• 39:24
  just down here to talk to Jimmy about this new
• 39:27
  program he's running down.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, James. So, yeah, what I got going on
• 39:32
  is because Fast Jimmy's towing service now, Fast Jimmy's skiff
• 39:35
  towing service to be particular. And you're Fast Jimmy. I'm
• 39:38
  Fast Jimmy. And so what we do is, you know,
• 39:41
  The most frustrating thing about fishing is you've been working
• 39:44
  all week, right? You've been slaving away at your job.
• 39:46
  Your wife's nagging you. Your kids are screaming in the background.
• 39:49
  And all you're thinking about is going fishing. And you're
• 39:51
  thinking about one spot. You're like, I know the tide's
• 39:53
  going to be right. The wind's going to be right.
• 39:56
  And the fish are going to be tight. And I'm
• 39:58
  going to be in there. And so you go out there.
• 40:00
  You drive out there. You got your beer cold. You
• 40:01
  got your gas full. You're running out. And what do
• 40:03
  you see? There's a skiff sitting in your spot fishing
• 40:06
  on your fish. That ain't going to do it. So
• 40:09
  what you do, you call Fast Jimmy. Fast Jimmy will come.
• 40:12
  I'll yank him out your spot. Drag him six miles
• 40:14
  upriver and leave him for dead. That's right. Fast Jimmy.
• 40:19
  Back at you. Back at you. Yeah, yeah. So that's
• 40:21
  what we do. Essentially, we offer a pay service. You
• 40:23
  become a member. You have a phone number, my phone number.
• 40:26
  And anytime somebody gives you problems. Hold on. Let's see.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Jimmy, I just want to, in case people are confused,
• 40:32
  they can literally have you tow a boat out of
• 40:34
  their spot if they get there and you are part
• 40:36
  of the paid program to do this.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Not just out of your fishing spot, out of
• 40:40
  your favorite beach and hole, out of the river in general.
• 40:43
  If they just make you mad, I'll tow them. Absolutely.
• 40:46
  If there is a skiff involved, I will tow it
• 40:49
  out of your way for whatever reason. It don't matter, Jimmy.
• 40:52
  You call me, they be gone. That's what happens.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So how do you go about towing this boat? What's
• 40:58
  your program? How do you make it work?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Well, see, what I did was I bought me a
• 41:02
  24-foot Carolina skip, right? One of the big ones you
• 41:06
  see like the crabbers do. I put three motors on
• 41:09
  the back of it, right? I got three 250s back there,
• 41:12
  and I put a whole lot of weight up on
• 41:13
  the front end of it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: On a 20-foot Carolina skip?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Just got to have a little torque. So
• 41:17
  then what I do is I get up ahead of steam,
• 41:20
  and I just do a close flyby of the offending party.
• 41:23
  And I got this here big hook attached to the
• 41:27
  back of my boat. Yeah, and it's all welded through.
• 41:29
  I got a frame welded all the way through this boat.
• 41:31
  I just toss this hook out, and, you know, these
• 41:33
  skiff fellers these days, they're so kind. They just put
• 41:35
  these tires on the back. It's just real easy to
• 41:37
  get a grappling hook tangled up in. I come by
• 41:39
  at about 40 mile an hour or so, and I
• 41:41
  just yank them right out of there. They never see
• 41:43
  it coming, not once. They don't ever know what's going
• 41:45
  to happen until it happens.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: How can they get a hold of you again? Are
• 41:48
  you on social media?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I never figured that out. But I tell
• 41:52
  you what, you just look up 1-800-FAST-JIMMY, you'll find me.
• 41:55
  I'm in there. I'm in the yellow pages.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: All right, to you guys back in the studio, once again,
• 42:00
  that's Jimmy Jamerson. I'm James Jamerson coming back to you.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be good. Don't let nobody catch your fish. Yo,
• 42:23
  what's up, Paul?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Hello?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, I got you, man.
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: I hear you.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, bud. Yeah, you're fine. What's happening, dude?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Nothing, man. Just, you know, I'm out here trying to
• 42:32
  scrub some shit off the back deck. I'm not sure
• 42:34
  exactly what it is, but... Who's shit on the back deck?
• 42:36
  I don't know, man. Queso was here for a couple weeks,
• 42:39
  parked back there. He had the thing. I don't know
• 42:41
  what he was cooking, but he has got some sort
• 42:44
  of something all over my deck. I'm trying to get
• 42:46
  it off. It smells awful. Anyway, the date for Bear Live, right?
• 42:52
  That's what we're doing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: We're trying to get by the end of August, right?
• 42:57
  We got to get by the end of August for sure.
• 42:59
  How about... Today's what?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: The 20th? July 20th?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's July 20-something.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Let's nail it down by August.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, early August.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: We'll figure it out.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: How about like August 1st, man? The 1st of August?
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: August 1st.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Let's just start right at the beginning of the month,
• 43:10
  all right? Nah, dude.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm playing a gig for retired hot air balloon pilots.
• 43:16
  You know, I'm really into that whole thing, and they're
• 43:18
  doing their big party, and I'm playing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got to show respect to the OGs. I get it.
• 43:21
  I get it. Shit, well.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Hold on. August 1st. Well, the following week. I mean,
• 43:28
  August 4th. Like, that's a Tuesday. There can't be anything
• 43:31
  going on August 4th.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me and the wife, we got a class on
• 43:35
  tax evasion. We started making a little more money, man.
• 43:38
  I'm trying not to, you know, I'm trying to get around.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like maybe you're trying to figure
• 43:42
  out a way to evade tax.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly what it is. I'm trying to, like,
• 43:46
  I mean, the rich people do it. I'm not rich yet,
• 43:48
  but I'm trying to be. And, you know, like, I
• 43:51
  think part of that would be just not paying as
• 43:53
  many taxes. Well, hit me with a date. What you got?
• 43:55
  I got, let's go August 10th? 10th? The afternoon of
• 44:00
  the 10th?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: That's... Crazy. I got a photo shoot for another painting
• 44:03
  of a lady and her 17 cats. I'm doing like
• 44:05
  a profile.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I thought you were doing people's like portraits.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is a money one. Like I can't
• 44:10
  deny this one. It's 250 grand to pay her.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Yeah, I know.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: That'd pay your house off.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I told her a number. I said, she said, anything.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: There's got to be a number for everything. She wants somebody.
• 44:21
  I'll pay her cats for 250 grand.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Jesus.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: So how about August 14th? That's a Friday, but I
• 44:28
  got nothing going on that day.
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: 14th, 14th.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I got a little procedure going on that day. I'm
• 44:36
  getting some Botox, but just in my upper lip. I
• 44:38
  don't want to do both, but that's my upper lip.
• 44:41
  I think a couple weeks later I'll go get the
• 44:42
  bottom one done if I'm happy with that. I've been
• 44:43
  noticing that lip of yours. It's a little thin, isn't it?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I still like it, though.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: A little plump, a little plump, plump. That's not going
• 44:52
  to work. How about the 20th, August 20th?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm going to be gone that week. I'm going
• 44:57
  on a Zorse hunt. in a fenced ranch in Texas.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: So is that like half zebra, half horse? Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah.
• 45:04
  They hunt those down there? Oh, yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I've been hunting Zorches for the last 17 years.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: You Texas boys do weird shit. Okay. I'm in. I mean,
• 45:10
  I'll kill a Zorche. I don't give a shit. Just
• 45:12
  put them in front of me.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: All right. What about Friday 21st?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I would, man, but Nora was one of her little classmates.
• 45:23
  Their hamster's having a bat mitzvah, and I got to go...
• 45:26
  We signed up for the cupcakes. I got to bring
• 45:29
  cupcakes to this thing.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll get you every time.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ridiculous. Ain't it all these damn kids' birthday
• 45:34
  parties and bat mitzvahs and hamsters and shit?
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: They don't sign you up for that when you have kids.
• 45:39
  They just don't tell you about it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: They don't.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly. No. All right, I'm going to throw
• 45:44
  one more out there. How about the 27th of August? 27th.
• 45:49
  I'm going to Orlando to the fake Disney. The fake Disney?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've made this whole resort. It's spelled with a Z.
• 45:57
  It's a lot cheaper.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Disney.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Disney, yeah. It's in Orlando, so the kid will never
• 46:02
  know the difference.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: No, shit. They know that you're in Florida. It's hot.
• 46:05
  There's a mouse.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, I got to run. I don't even know
• 46:11
  what she's hollering me about, but I'm going to go
• 46:12
  find out.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: You better go find out. I'll call you later.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: We will get it in August. This is another time
• 46:21
  of the day. Yeah, I understand, man. This is just crazy.
• 46:23
  All right, buddy. Talk to you. Let's do that again.
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I'll hit the applause a little too soon.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Disney. You think they'll ever get a date? No, I
• 46:34
  don't know, man. This is getting weird.
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: Sorry, I was feeling lazy with the Z.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 46:41
  Speaker 14: Disney, Disney.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Y'all laugh, but this is kind of how the conversation
• 46:44
  does go every time we try to book one of
• 46:46
  these things. It's a little weird. You guys really are crazy.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: We've always had background music playing through the computer. And
• 46:57
  then Spotify starts hitting you with stuff. And so we
• 47:00
  kind of have to play it way in the background.
• 47:02
  But the whole idea of this whole thing was, let's
• 47:04
  listen to music, hang out in the tailgate while we're
• 47:07
  done fishing. And then we've done that so many times,
• 47:10
  we're like, dude, we should be recording this. How many
• 47:12
  times have you said that with your friends? And that's
• 47:16
  how this whole thing started. So music's always been a
• 47:18
  part of it, and you can continue what we've heard from.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: People from the back. Yeah, oh yeah. So we've been
• 47:25
  doing this a long time. What was it, 2000? We
• 47:27
  looked at it. It was in 2014, 2015. I deep dove,
• 47:30
  you guys. So we've got reviews. And a lot of
• 47:34
  our reviews, we have one particular guy who's angry about
• 47:37
  the music. He has nothing to say. He's angry? He
• 47:40
  loves the show. hates the music in the background. I
• 47:43
  can't hear anything. All I hear is the music in
• 47:45
  the background. He's in like Albania.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, hate the music, hate the hook.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: We used to have a running joke where we'd be like,
• 47:54
  exactly what you did. Oh, I love this song. I'm like, yeah,
• 47:56
  except for that one guy on Apple Podcasts. He really
• 47:59
  fucking hates the music.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: One time he said, okay guys, I don't mind the music.
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: He said, okay, you played my favorite song, I Can
• 48:07
  Bear It.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: We always open with the same song.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: You played like my Top song of this month, by
• 48:12
  the way. The first song that came on.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Brankov. Yeah, Brankov.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Brankov. Appaloosa was like, how many shows did we.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: Georgia Native's so good.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: How many shows did we open with Appaloosa? And Will
• 48:23
  would always... Oh, Will would be like, God, this is
• 48:24
  so big to burn. That song's badass. It's a great song.
• 48:28
  Speaking of... There's a million shows that we've started that
• 48:30
  started with Appaloosa.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not a big book guy. You know, I don't
• 48:33
  read a lot of books, but I've been listening to
• 48:35
  a lot of audio books.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the Black Crowes... While you paint? Audiobook, yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: And while I'm driving, painting as well. The Black Crowes
• 48:45
  book is awesome.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Is it good?
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It's really good. It's done from the drummer's perspective. But
• 48:52
  hearing him tell those stories about the Robinson brothers, it's
• 48:56
  such a circus, man. I can't even imagine. And half
• 49:01
  the stuff, to be able to sit there and think,
• 49:04
  20 years later, you're going to write a book and
• 49:06
  have all these details right is absurd to me. So
• 49:09
  I'm sure a lot of it is definitely elevated as
• 49:12
  far as animated and probably out of proportion. But then again,
• 49:16
  it's the Robinson Brothers, so maybe a lot of it
• 49:18
  is not as out of proportion as you would think.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I will say this. I've seen them five times. The
• 49:25
  first time I saw them was at Music City Midtown
• 49:28
  in Atlanta. I was still in high school. This has
• 49:32
  got to be like 1995. 96?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: You were in high school in 96? Yeah, and we...
• 49:38
  I started high school in 99, but I mean, it's still...
• 49:40
  I actually graduated, too. I had my first.
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: I.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Had my first child in 97.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: We drove up to Atlanta, and I heard them play Midtown,
• 49:51
  and they brought out a banjo player for.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Was it Mellow Fleck? No, it wasn't, but it was
• 49:58
  just amazing.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: And then I remember.
• 50:00
  Speaker 11: Later on.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Seeing them in.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville, Florida with my dad. And my dad and I
• 50:08
  just went. My dad was like, hey, listen, they're playing
• 50:11
  this little place in Jacksonville, Florida, and we should just
• 50:15
  go see them. And we went, and Warren Haynes opened,
• 50:20
  and Black Crowes came out, and they did a bunch
• 50:23
  of Elvis Presley songs.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: Jailhouse Rock, it was unbelievable.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Listen, I was an Elvis disbeliever forever until I went
• 50:34
  to Memphis.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you believe in Elvis now.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Disbeliever?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Not really a disbeliever, just didn't really buy into the hype.
• 50:42
  But I've listened to some live Elvis stuff, and it's
• 50:45
  fucking amazing. Take Elvis out of it, the band is incredible.
• 50:50
  The band, the way they compose everything, and the... The
• 50:54
  horn section, everything, it's just crazy. The butt crows are awesome.
• 50:58
  We're talking about butt crows.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Not elves.
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: I was just wanting to say, the butt crows are amazing.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: One of the weird things about surgery is you have
• 51:05
  a lot of time while you're in surgery, right? You're
• 51:07
  in a room locked in a room. Well, you're being confusing.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: They're taking turns. getting surgical yourself. You're a working surgeon.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I'm hands in.
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: What's going on?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: He's a nurse, so he works surgery.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: So he makes it sound like.
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: You're a neurosurgeon?
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I'm a nurse.
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: Is that what you just said?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a nurse practitioner who works in neurosurgery. So I'm
• 51:26
  a first assist.
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: He's an amazing nurse.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: Every time I've met a surgeon, they're the opposite of
• 51:32
  who you think they would be.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Or should be. So you didn't meet one.
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: You're first in line. You're the next... My hands are
• 51:39
  inside of the patient, but I'm not in charge of
• 51:41
  what I'm doing in there. Does that make sense? Let's
• 51:43
  go back to your story. So anyway, when you're in
• 51:46
  the OR, you have a lot of time. Not downtime.
• 51:48
  You're doing things.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: That's a better way to say it instead of I'm
• 51:50
  in surgeries because you get surgeries all the time.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: When you're in OR, you have a lot of time.
• 51:54
  And so one of the questions that came up the
• 51:56
  other day, which is a good podcast question, I guess.
• 51:58
  It's a generic one, but we'll play along. And we
• 52:00
  don't have to go around the table if you don't want.
• 52:02
  The question that came up in the room was, you know,
• 52:05
  if you could go back in time, where's a place
• 52:08
  you would like to be? What concert would you like
• 52:09
  to go see? And my answer wasn't that great, so
• 52:12
  I won't say it. But somebody else brought one up,
• 52:15
  and it was involving Elvis. And I was like, what
• 52:17
  if you could go back in time to the early
• 52:20
  days of Elvis and Cash?
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And those boys, they were all on the road together.
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: When they were at, like, fairs or Ray Charles.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And Johnny Cash. Yeah, and see one of
• 52:29
  those boys at a county fair in Texas. My dad
• 52:31
  saw him in Tyler, Texas in 1957.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Did he really?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Go to Texas and see Johnny Cash and Elvis Presley.
• 52:37
  On the road show.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on the road show.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine getting to pick up one of those shows? Amazing.
• 52:42
  And just knowing what they are going to be at home.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Ticket stub probably said 50 cents on it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, yeah. You didn't even know who was playing.
• 52:50
  Texarkana or something. Just show up and see one of
• 52:52
  those boys.
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: My dad saw Jimi Hendrix open for the monkeys.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. He did. That doesn't make any sense.
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: Jacksonville, Florida.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: He saw Jimi Hendrix.
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: Everything leads back to Jacksonville.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense.
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: The experience, no.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: This is a real story. You look it up.
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: Saw Jimi Hendrix in the experience opening for the Monkees.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: That's not fair.
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: And after that show, they fired him.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: They fired who?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Jim Hendrix. Nobody wanted to see the monkeys after you've
• 53:17
  seen Hendrix.
• 53:18
  Speaker 12: After you've seen Hendrix, you're like, who the fuck are
• 53:21
  the monkeys?
• 53:22
  Speaker 11: That's a real story.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And Clapton said the same thing about Hendrix, too. He
• 53:26
  said he did not want him. He opened one for
• 53:28
  one show. He's like, we can't have that.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Clapton, one of the best guitarists in the world, is like, no, dude,
• 53:34
  I'm not following that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: So I think they adapted. Clapton would come out on
• 53:38
  stage to play with Hendrix to ease the transition of,
• 53:42
  Clapton being the next main act.
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Seems like a weird transition, but have y'all seen the,
• 53:46
  there's a Netflix movie out. I can't remember the name
• 53:48
  off the top of my head. It's called like A
• 53:50
  Song Sung Blue. Oh, yeah, but... Neil Diamond. But it's
• 53:55
  about Neil Diamond cover band. That is a weird transition.
• 53:58
  Speaker 11: I've heard about it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it's only... The reason I brought it up was...
• 54:00
  I heard it's really sad. I heard it's good. It
• 54:02
  is sad, but it's good. But at one point, they
• 54:05
  opened for Pearl Jam, a Neil Diamond cover band. Because
• 54:07
  they were big fans of this guy. Yeah, and so...
• 54:10
  Are you serious? Yeah. And to Paul's point, the reason
• 54:13
  this is a transition... In order to get, like they
• 54:15
  show in the movie, the lead singer, the guy, his
• 54:18
  name's Lightning, who headed up the cover band, went to
• 54:21
  Eddie Vedder and was like, hey, man, I got a
• 54:23
  favor to ask. So Eddie Vedder came out and sang
• 54:25
  their opening number with them on the opening, just to
• 54:28
  kind of like, because it's a young crowd, right?
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine Eddie Vedder singing Neil Diamond?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Dude, Neil Diamond's amazing. But that way the crowd integrated
• 54:39
  the crowd, and they're like, hey, this is cool. We're allowed,
• 54:42
  because you're talking about 90s grunge fans, right, that are
• 54:45
  in their teens and 20s. They're like, why am I
• 54:48
  listening to my mom's music? If Eddie Vedder comes out
• 54:50
  and starts singing it, this is cool. I can sing along.
• 54:53
  I can have a good time here.
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: Who was big when you were graduating high school?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: We've got to call Grizz.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: This is the bullshitting we missed on the last segment.
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: I said I miss Grizz.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: It's been too long. I don't know Grizz, but I
• 55:10
  miss anybody with a name like Grizz. How do you
• 55:12
  not know Grizz? Do you know where I'm from? You
• 55:15
  don't know Grizz?
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: You've been in the hospital.
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: You don't know Grizz.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: You've been in OR.
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: You've been in surgery.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: He's been in surgery since sulfi.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, can y'all get that?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I went to SoFi, but I didn't, like, hang out
• 55:26
  for all the, like... Wait, is... All right, we're calling
• 55:29
  him right now. I just... Sorry, from my world, when
• 55:32
  I say when you're in surgery, I mean when you're
• 55:33
  doing it, not when you're having it.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I forget if we can keep it like this.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: I can hear it just fine.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: But can you hear us?
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Hello?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Can you hear us?
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Yeah, oh, I can hear you, buddy.
• 55:46
  I hear you, Griswold.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I hear you loud and clear. We've got Sage here, too.
• 55:50
  I don't know if you remember me saying that we
• 55:52
  have Sage. I think she was going to surprise you.
• 55:55
  I'm sorry. I totally messed that up.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Well, this is already starting off great. Can we start
• 56:01
  this over? Can we start this over? Yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Thanks, guys.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. What's going on, Sage? How you doing?
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: Oh, hey, Grizz. I was supposed to answer the phone being, like,
• 56:12
  rogue calling you and just... Just saying, hey, what's up?
• 56:15
  Guess who it is on the phone.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I blew it.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: And then you have to guess me from my voice.
• 56:20
  You'd never get it right.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I might, you know, I'd give it a shot. I
• 56:25
  think it'd be a pretty easy swing.
• 56:27
  Speaker 11: So, Grizz, it's Doug.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Hi, Doug.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, Doug, what are you wearing right now? Sorry, what
• 56:34
  are you wearing? Stop talking. What are you wearing? A t-shirt.
• 56:38
  I got some tight underwear.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: Very tight underwear.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I had somebody come over to the house last weekend,
• 56:46
  and they went into the bathroom, and there's a picture
• 56:49
  of you laying on your stomach smoking a cigarette.
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And they came around, and they went straight to Becca,
• 56:59
  and they were like, Is.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: That like his brother who passed away or something?
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: Who passed away?
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: You know, he's special.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, that's Chris. I'm like, why do you
• 57:11
  have a picture of me in your bathroom, I go,
• 57:13
  because he's awesome.
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: If I had a picture, you would only be in
• 57:17
  my bathroom.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Let the man speak. This is a good story.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: So when Chris was here before Soulfly, which we're going
• 57:22
  to get to that later, Alec Griswold is who we called.
• 57:25
  We didn't really give much of an intro because we started...
• 57:27
  We didn't do any intro. We got very carried away
• 57:30
  with what we were doing, and all of a sudden
• 57:31
  it clicked. I was like, dude, we haven't called Gris yet.
• 57:33
  This is crazy. So anyway, leading up to Soulfly, Gris
• 57:38
  came here a lot, like once a month, sometimes twice
• 57:41
  a month. And this was probably about March. He brought
• 57:44
  a few gifts. He brings books and magazines. And then
• 57:48
  he brought a gift for Doug.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And it was this, was it a metal picture, like
• 57:53
  a canvas picture?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: No, it's canvas.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It's canvas.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: It's a canvas.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And so I said, let's just take it by Doug's house.
• 58:03
  And maybe you actually came up with the idea. We
• 58:05
  would just ring his doorbell, lean against the door, and
• 58:08
  just run off.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Like the old ding-dong pitch. Ding-dong pitch. Exactly.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And you want to tell the story from there, Gris?
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think you just told it, and
• 58:17
  you can figure out what we did. I literally think
• 58:19
  you told every detail of that story.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, literally, when y'all dropped it off, I was
• 58:23
  standing inside the kitchen, and I heard y'all come to this,
• 58:27
  and I was like, did somebody just come up on
• 58:28
  the porch?
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: And then y'all just ran off going.
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: In Paul's big-ass van.
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: With his painting on the side. Yeah, real incognito.
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: You can recognize it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, I remember running pretty fast. I don't know, Paul.
• 58:46
  I felt like I was levitating into your truck.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: So fast.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: So I hung it in my bathroom in a place of.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Honor?
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: Well, I feel like Honor, but I don't know how
• 58:58
  great it is.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Honor is in my bathroom, but it's a really awesome spot,
• 59:02
  and everybody loves it. Everybody sees it, sees it and
• 59:06
  they're like oh my god who is that and i
• 59:10
  have i've gone from everything through saying you were a
• 59:13
  famous writer in the 1800s to which i don't know
• 59:17
  how the cameras work back then He was a Civil
• 59:21
  War drummer.
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: I've told so many stories.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Rat-a-tat-tat. Well, hey, Grizz, this is Mike. You don't know me.
• 59:30
  That's not important. What is important is you guys threw
• 59:34
  a hell of a party. I just want to thank you.
• 59:36
  He was there. Mike was there. I showed up. Me
• 59:37
  and my wife, we joked. We kind of waxed and
• 59:40
  waned whether we were going to go or not because
• 59:41
  we have two very small children. And we decided we
• 59:44
  were going to cosplay cool parents on Instagram and take
• 59:47
  our kids out to a public event. And that was
• 59:49
  when we chose. And it was fantastic. You guys did
• 59:52
  a great job. It was awesome. Appreciate that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 11: Are you in Boston now?
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you.
• 59:57
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: Actually, a lot of people think I live in Charleston,
• 1:00:00
  South Carolina.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: Keep letting them think that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I do live in.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: Charlestown, which is Boston.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: So it's confusing. But yeah, I'm in Boston. I'm just fine.
• 1:00:11
  spent a day behind the computer, which is just fricking rad.
• 1:00:14
  So that was fun.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: Keeping the dream alive, right brother?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: There you go. You know, throwing a party is tough. Uh,
• 1:00:21
  you know, it takes a lot of work, but, uh,
• 1:00:23
  it's all good.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll give like a little light intro. So your,
• 1:00:26
  your background aside from many other stories, we'll get into
• 1:00:30
  the whole timeline from when you were born. But, uh,
• 1:00:33
  is that in the fly fishing world, soul fly lodge
• 1:00:37
  in the Bahamas. And then, To fast forward, you're now
• 1:00:41
  involved in Soul Fly events, which is Soul Fly Charleston,
• 1:00:44
  Soul Fly Boston for now.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: There might be more in the future.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: But the big event was this past May, which you
• 1:00:50
  were coming here a lot to get ready for and
• 1:00:52
  prep for and make sure.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: The scene was set.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And how do you consider the outcome as far as
• 1:01:00
  a success? And were you pumped about it? And what
• 1:01:04
  are your thoughts on your takeaways, if you will?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Sure. If I will actually, thank you.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: Um, no, I, I, um, yeah, I mean, my business partner,
• 1:01:14
  Kyle Schaefer, you know, we were.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Kind of playing around with the idea. Okay.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: Do we, do we, you know, get into another lodge
• 1:01:21
  in the Bahamas Caribbean or elsewhere? And we kind of
• 1:01:25
  tried one and we backed out and we were just like,
• 1:01:27
  you know what, this is, it's a lot of work.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: And like, if you're going to start a second.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: Lodge, it can't be kind of a, you know, a
• 1:01:33
  downer or something that's not up to par.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: With the first one.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: So we were like, all right, well, what else is
• 1:01:37
  out there in our little world of, of fly fishing?
• 1:01:40
  And we just really kept coming back to like the
• 1:01:43
  lack of real, like, you know, like community and like
• 1:01:47
  a sense that like, we're not just in a convention
• 1:01:51
  center or a parking lot.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: And, you know, you look at every.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: Other outdoor sport and they have rad little get togethers
• 1:01:57
  and fly fishing for some reason. And it is, can
• 1:02:00
  be a solitary sport sometimes, but like, I don't know.
• 1:02:03
  I don't think it's ever really happened, and so we
• 1:02:06
  kind of launched into that.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: And the funny part.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: Of that is I actually hate putting on.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Events. Well, you've gotten good at hating it. Yeah, you've
• 1:02:15
  got to get an eye for it.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: Chris didn't know he hated it until now.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. I don't hate it anymore, but, you.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 11: Know, it's... Well, you have a knack for it, man.
• 1:02:26
  You have a knack for it.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: We need to back off on the hate for the
• 1:02:29
  parking lot gathering. Oh, yeah. Because there's something to be
• 1:02:32
  said for the parking lot gathering. We talked about it
• 1:02:35
  a little bit earlier.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: What kind of parking lot gathering are you talking about?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Let's go hang out in the parking lot.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: Something to be said for the parking lot gathering?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: You're talking to an old school fucking fly gathering guy, right?
• 1:02:46
  I grew up in the world. I started working at
• 1:02:49
  fly shops when I was 16. I worked through until
• 1:02:52
  I was in my late 20s. And I used to
• 1:02:54
  go tie flies at these conventions, right? The cheesy-ass convention
• 1:02:58
  center with the weird carpet and the smell and all
• 1:03:00
  that bullshit.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: In Canada, right? You're from Canada?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not. Oh, okay. I wouldn't believe that. You'd
• 1:03:06
  end up at these shows. You'd be tying all fucking day.
• 1:03:09
  I would show up with a cooler, and I'd stuff
• 1:03:11
  it under my... Table. This is for Yetis, but yeah,
• 1:03:14
  I'd stuff it under my table, and I'd have like
• 1:03:16
  24 Bud Heavies in there. And I would just start
• 1:03:18
  drinking at like 8 a.m. And I would tie all
• 1:03:21
  day drunk. In the parking lot. And then one time
• 1:03:24
  it snowed during an event, and me and the guys
• 1:03:27
  were like, we decided to have a competition of who
• 1:03:29
  could back a trailer better in the snow in the
• 1:03:31
  parking lot, like a guide competition.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: On 20 butt heavies?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: That fucking happened. In the Target parking lot. That's my
• 1:03:37
  kind of fly gathering. I mean, I loved your music
• 1:03:39
  show and stuff. That was nice. Honestly, give me eight
• 1:03:44
  drunk fly guides in a parking lot in the snow.
• 1:03:46
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Well, Gris, should we do an event?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: SoFly parking lot? You know what? I'm actually doing it
• 1:03:53
  right now. I mean, I'm no social media coordinator. I'm
• 1:03:59
  just saying it was a hell of a fucking time.
• 1:04:01
  I will say this. Regional manager.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 11: Throw my own thought in there.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Assistant to the regional manager.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: The one thing I love about Charleston, and Grizz, I
• 1:04:10
  think you've gotten to experience this, but when we have
• 1:04:13
  these flood tides, it's so much fun when everybody goes out.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Everybody's on a different boat.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Everybody has their different experience, but then they come back
• 1:04:22
  to the parking lot, Yeah. And everybody shares a beer
• 1:04:25
  and it's like, here's what happened. And it's like a
• 1:04:28
  hot wash and it's the best part of the day.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: There you go. And that's it. I call it the hang.
• 1:04:34
  It's the hang. I agree. I love, love parking lots. Yep.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: Um, but also to your point, Mike, um, you know,
• 1:04:42
  maybe lay off the beers at 8 AM, but good
• 1:04:44
  for you.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Um, and, uh, like, um, you know, which was right here,
• 1:04:51
  left here. What'd you got? I'll tell you later. It
• 1:04:54
  didn't matter to that point.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: Uh, but if, you know, if you're new to the
• 1:04:58
  sport or have no clue and you walk into one
• 1:04:59
  of those convention centers, you're going to feel very awkward
• 1:05:02
  and walk probably right.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: The F out.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: And, uh, you know, I just feel like we're, we're
• 1:05:06
  a bit exclusive in our sport. Um, not always intentional
• 1:05:10
  it just is what it is but like that's sort
• 1:05:12
  of part of the point of what we're doing too
• 1:05:14
  is you bring in good music and a lot of
• 1:05:16
  art and uh and food and drink and you bring
• 1:05:19
  in folks that are all right i'm coming for the
• 1:05:20
  band but like wait a minute what's this kind of
• 1:05:23
  weird sport that my grandfather used to do um good
• 1:05:25
  yeah yeah part part of it part of it for
• 1:05:29
  sure i love Well, I guess I'm down for the
• 1:05:31
  get drunk and play around the snow.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: That's what Grizz really wants. Yeah, bring the kids. Yeah,
• 1:05:39
  bring the kids. Put them in the back.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the one you
• 1:05:43
  got coming up. I mean, the past is the past.
• 1:05:45
  Let's put Charleston in the past, Grizz, okay?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: It was successful.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: We get it. You kicked ass. Okay, enough of that.
• 1:05:51
  What's the deal with Boston? How can we get the
• 1:05:54
  word out to people, to the seven people that live
• 1:05:57
  north of the Mason-Dixon that might hear this and want
• 1:05:59
  to go to your event?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I love the north.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: So, you know, I think Charleston was like the perfect
• 1:06:08
  place to do our first event because your guys' community
• 1:06:10
  is just, it's something special there. Like, I've been lucky
• 1:06:14
  enough to just, you know, see it through you guys
• 1:06:16
  and be a part of it. And you guys are
• 1:06:18
  just so awesome. welcoming and, and it's rad. Um, I
• 1:06:22
  think when you come, yeah, uh, I'm in and, uh,
• 1:06:25
  but when you come up North, you know, we got to,
• 1:06:27
  the winners are tough here. We've got a bit more
• 1:06:29
  of a jaded edge to us. And, uh, and I'm
• 1:06:32
  being serious. Like, I think there is, there's a difference
• 1:06:35
  up here and like, what we're trying to do with
• 1:06:37
  this one, um, in about 18 days, not that I'm counting, but, uh, is,
• 1:06:43
  you know, it's not a fly fishing event.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: If you want like 200 people there, like, great.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: I have a fly fishing event. It's going to be fun,
• 1:06:49
  but this is an angling event, right? So you got
• 1:06:52
  your surf casters, your tuna fishermen, your bait chuckers, all
• 1:06:55
  of it. I mean, it's, You know, it's more of
• 1:06:57
  a celebration of kind of saltwater culture. So it's going
• 1:07:01
  to be different, you know, but I think it's different
• 1:07:04
  on purpose because you've got to kind of read the
• 1:07:06
  room of where you are and also kind of the
• 1:07:08
  venue that you have to deal with. So it's going
• 1:07:11
  to be cool. We're still, you know, always do art,
• 1:07:14
  always do music, and sort of our fun little carnival activations.
• 1:07:17
  But there'll definitely be kind of a New England salty
• 1:07:21
  vibe to it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Along those lines, I kind of do have a question
• 1:07:25
  there that's actually relevant, I guess. Yeah, you kind of
• 1:07:28
  hit it on a point. I've been lucky enough to
• 1:07:30
  fish with a lot of Yankees in my career, and
• 1:07:34
  I fished with some saltwater guys from, like, Boston. I
• 1:07:38
  even consider Chesapeake Bay, that whole area, that's all Yankee
• 1:07:41
  to me, too. A bit far away, but go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:45
  I get it. I get it. That's where he's from.
• 1:07:49
  I've done some Great Lakes shit, too, and all that.
• 1:07:51
  And you're right. It's a different vibe. It's a different... Now,
• 1:07:55
  I get along with them fine, but those dudes are intense.
• 1:07:58
  It's different. I get out there, man, I like... Not
• 1:08:01
  like you, right? I practice really hard. Look, I have
• 1:08:05
  high standards. I practice really hard. I'm very, like, dedicated
• 1:08:08
  to what I do. And when I'm on the water,
• 1:08:10
  I'm serious about making a good cast of fish. But
• 1:08:12
  at the same time, I'm also just as serious about
• 1:08:14
  getting hammered drunk and telling stupid jokes and having a
• 1:08:16
  good time. And so some of the Yankees I fished
• 1:08:18
  with have not been on that board. So, like, how
• 1:08:21
  do you do that? How do you shift those gears?
• 1:08:23
  No offense. I'm not saying everybody in Charleston is like
• 1:08:25
  me because they ain't. But, like, how do you shift
• 1:08:27
  gears from a more, what I would say, a laid-back
• 1:08:30
  approach to fishing to, where we're out there to have
• 1:08:32
  the vibe. We're out there to have the time. We're
• 1:08:34
  going to be serious about it to an extent, but
• 1:08:36
  you know what? It's not going to be the whole thing.
• 1:08:38
  No offense, but a culture that's a little more intense
• 1:08:41
  about what they do. They're a little more serious about
• 1:08:43
  what they do. I mean, you look at the pop-up
• 1:08:44
  picks of the world. You look at the guys that
• 1:08:47
  came out of that world that became famous, the Scocks
• 1:08:49
  and all that. And those guys, even if they're chill guys,
• 1:08:53
  they're intense about their fishing.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: So how do you how do you cater that? Like,
• 1:08:57
  how do you, how do you make that a thing?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a really good question. And I think, uh,
• 1:09:01
  I don't know, Mike, maybe you said it or Doug, uh,
• 1:09:04
  It's what we're trying to do is bottle up that hang, right? That,
• 1:09:07
  that after fishing that on the dock, that in the
• 1:09:10
  parking lot, that vibe.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: And so it's not even really like, Oh, okay.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I need to build my leader for this fast or
• 1:09:16
  I need to, you know, get herring for my, my
• 1:09:18
  bait chucker. It's more like, all right, we're all doing
• 1:09:21
  the same sport. We're just separated by different ways of
• 1:09:24
  doing it. And it's, you know, nobody, and I, I'm,
• 1:09:26
  we're not like setting out to like solve some world
• 1:09:30
  problem here, but Um, we all have to realize that
• 1:09:33
  we're just, we're just chasing fish.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, this is, it's kind of a joke.
• 1:09:37
  Let's not take it so seriously.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: And I think that's really where like Kyle and I,
• 1:09:43
  you know, I feel like, yes, if you want to
• 1:09:45
  be a great fisherman, whatever person like, and, and win
• 1:09:49
  tournaments and do all that, like, yeah, you gotta be
• 1:09:51
  dedicated and focused and all that, but that's not all
• 1:09:54
  of us. Most of us are just going out there
• 1:09:56
  and doing the best we can and having a good time. So,
• 1:09:59
  I think just kind of spreading that more like joy
• 1:10:01
  and love of being outside and being on the water,
• 1:10:04
  like then you're kind of hitting, you know, if people
• 1:10:06
  aren't into that, then you.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Should probably go, you know, buzz off. Amen.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Pick up a bow and arrow.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's nothing intense about that world.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 11: Are you taking a shot at me?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: My point is if you can't relax enough on pick
• 1:10:22
  up a bow and arrow because that's intense.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Intense.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Anywho.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: By the way, guys, let's have a moment of silence
• 1:10:29
  for Dolly Parton.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: No kidding. Amen, brother.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 11: Dude, I cried for almost an hour.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Doug just stopped crying. You had to bring it back up.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Doug.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: But, you know, that's a good question.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: Her greatest quote, and it's honestly kind of a soul
• 1:10:46
  play motto. A peacock that rests on its feathers is
• 1:10:49
  just another turkey.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: And that is one of the greatest quotes ever.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: Did she say that?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: She said it.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: How have we not mentioned Dollywood? We all walked in
• 1:11:00
  here knowing this was happening.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: I'm trying not to make Doug cry.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Has anybody ever been to Dollyworld?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Dollywood. You watch your mouth when you speak about Dollywood.
• 1:11:12
  That's sacred ground. I have been there many times in
• 1:11:15
  my life.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: I will tell you this. My mom called me. She said,
• 1:11:20
  turn on the news. And I was like, what's going on?
• 1:11:23
  Is everything okay?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah. And I saw it.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: And she was like, I remember growing up, if anything
• 1:11:28
  was wrong, my mom was stressed. She'd go to Merle
• 1:11:31
  Haggart or Dolly Parton.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: And it was just. Ain't much you can't fix with
• 1:11:37
  Merle or Dolly. Yeah. Those two voices.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: They can play simple.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 11: Those two voices can transplant me to anywhere in the
• 1:11:46
  48 years.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: God, I'm.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Grizz, the question is, what are you wearing?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: And Sage wants to know, how are you doing?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: How are you digesting Dolly?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: Um, like, how am I doing knowing the news of Dolly?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I took, I took some moments
• 1:12:06
  today and, uh, you know cried I cried a lot
• 1:12:11
  today I actually didn't but I did I have visited
• 1:12:15
  Dollywood sorry Mike I'm probably fucking up but in Gatlinburg
• 1:12:19
  or Pigeon Forge there in Tennessee Gatlinburg.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Right it's outside you're.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: Just throwing up a lot of different towns.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Keep going I have been there well Gatlinburg or Pigeon
• 1:12:27
  Forge is like touchy it's all the same.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: Hey Grizz as Disney as Orlando I.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Wanted to tell you one thing let's let him Alan's
• 1:12:35
  in the stream Grizz that is what what we.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Are Wait, I couldn't hear that one.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: Good one. That's what we are.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 11: I was really hoping you were going to finish that.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: What is this fucking podcast about?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 11: It's actually about fly fishing.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: The fact that Grizz can't keep up with us is
• 1:12:59
  kind of impressive.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: The thing is, Grizz, you're not the first person to
• 1:13:02
  ask that question, and we've been doing this for a
• 1:13:04
  very long time.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I'm getting flustered.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. No, you don't.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Anyway, what are.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: You wearing?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: I am wearing an Aussie fly fishing sportsman shirt.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: We're not talking anymore about Australia.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: And then I've got.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 10: What are these?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: These are Nike kind of like workout shorts. I have
• 1:13:27
  not worked out maybe in a couple of years, but
• 1:13:30
  I've got them on. And, you know, in case I
• 1:13:32
  do work out, I've got them on.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Just need a little room. That's all. Well, that's good, man.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: So what's the inseam on those Nikes? Are they like three?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: I know they're ballooning.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 11: The inseam on the Nikes or the inseam on his shorts?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: His Nike shorts. He's wearing Nike shorts. You've got to
• 1:13:48
  pay attention to the conversation, Doug. What do you want
• 1:13:50
  to talk about, buddy? Well, I don't know.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: What's going.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: On?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I have a question. I have a question for you.
• 1:14:04
  All right, all right.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Um, music.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: Well, and Paul, we've kind of gone over this before,
• 1:14:12
  but I'd like to hear, uh, everybody else's thought is like,
• 1:14:16
  we kind of explored why creative people are drawn to
• 1:14:20
  fly fishing or vice versa. And even like, I'm not
• 1:14:22
  an artist at all, but I, you're very creative. And I, I,
• 1:14:25
  you know, like, Mike's drunk at eight, but he's creative. And, uh, and,
• 1:14:31
  and Doug is creative for sure.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: And Sage and.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: Obviously Paul, but, um, yeah, I think it's an interesting
• 1:14:37
  thing to think about. It's like, you're kind of making
• 1:14:40
  guys super corny, but like, you know, fly fishing is,
• 1:14:44
  is art, right? Like sometimes I don't even care. Like
• 1:14:48
  I'm just make this sick cast. And I'm like, that
• 1:14:50
  was awesome. Like I don't even care. I'm not even
• 1:14:52
  like retrieving it in. I'm just like, that was so sweet. But,
• 1:14:55
  I don't know.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: There's something really weird. Not weird.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: There's something interesting about having that creative piece of your
• 1:15:03
  brain and it fires.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I have an answer, but I'll wait. Can I tell
• 1:15:08
  you one thing that my dad always told me? He
• 1:15:10
  said that fly fishing was interesting to him and he
• 1:15:12
  never was into it the way I was. But he
• 1:15:15
  said it's the most patient pursuit of the beauty of
• 1:15:21
  pursuing nature. So, like, if you're going to pursue nature,
• 1:15:25
  if you're going to fish, you're going to hunt, you're
• 1:15:27
  going to do any of these things, fly fishing is
• 1:15:30
  the most amazingly, like.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Well, because you're in it. Yeah, it forces you to
• 1:15:36
  be patient.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: And to actually try to find, you know, a way
• 1:15:41
  to not be intrusive, but to actually be part of
• 1:15:43
  the whole system.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That makes sense. Without feeling guilty. Yeah. For sure.
• 1:15:50
  My view on it is along the same lines. It's
• 1:15:54
  a little different. I think when you're asking about creative pursuits, art, music, whatever,
• 1:15:59
  those are all sensory pursuits, right? They're visual. They're audio.
• 1:16:03
  They speak to you on a level that you can't
• 1:16:06
  tangibly touch, right? You experience it, but you don't touch it.
• 1:16:10
  I think with fly fishing, you hit a lot of
• 1:16:12
  the same notes there, right? When it comes to saltwater,
• 1:16:16
  of course, there's the sight fishing aspect where you're seeing
• 1:16:19
  the animal, you're interacting with the animal, you're having a
• 1:16:20
  conversation with the animal through the lens of a fly rod.
• 1:16:24
  You're making something that's not alive become alive by your movements,
• 1:16:28
  your oceans. You guys are having a sensory experience. The
• 1:16:31
  environments we fly fish in, I remember there's a quote
• 1:16:34
  somebody said, fish don't live in ugly places. You're forced
• 1:16:38
  into an environment that's sensory overload. I've been places out west.
• 1:16:42
  Except for largemouth bass. Even so. I've been in valleys
• 1:16:48
  out west where I just had to stop. I was
• 1:16:52
  completely overloaded by what I was looking at. This is
• 1:16:54
  not real. This is a backdrop on somebody's MacBook.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 11: It reminds you to do that.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: It reminds you to do that, but the thing is,
• 1:17:02
  I don't think it's fly fishing in and of itself.
• 1:17:04
  I think that fly fishing offers you the opportunity to
• 1:17:07
  put yourself in those situations.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: It's the vessel.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: It's a vehicle into that. It's a vehicle into a
• 1:17:12
  sensory experience, and art is the same thing. Art in
• 1:17:16
  and of itself is not anything, but art offers you
• 1:17:19
  the opportunity to experience something, whether that's through music, whether
• 1:17:23
  that's through art, whether that's through anything else. Art offers
• 1:17:26
  you a that's a good word, obviously a vehicle to
• 1:17:30
  be able to have a sensory experience in one sense
• 1:17:32
  or the other. And fly fishing hits all of those things.
• 1:17:35
  You get audio, you get visual, you get all the
• 1:17:38
  things that we seek out in art. You want it
• 1:17:41
  to stick with you. We get them physically. And Paul,
• 1:17:44
  like when you, yeah, no, Mike, those are really good points.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: But Paul, when you like crush a painting, you know,
• 1:17:50
  you're like, fuck, I kind of nailed that one. Is
• 1:17:52
  that similar to catching a big fish? Like it's the
• 1:17:55
  same kind of feeling or.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Is it way different?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I didn't know that you became
• 1:18:01
  the podcast commentator here.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: What is going on here?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: Somebody's going to help these people out.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: We're terrible at this. We've only done 67 of these.
• 1:18:11
  It's a good question. I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: It's a great question. I think it's definitely more.
• 1:18:22
  If I go catch a tarpon in a place and
• 1:18:24
  then I paint a painting of that It's so much
• 1:18:27
  more fulfilling than the Tarpon was.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: But the inspiration feeds back and forth.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I think we find ourselves looking on Instagram
• 1:18:36
  and seeing new people trying to attack creative ways of
• 1:18:40
  being in the industry. It's easy for us to be like, oh,
• 1:18:44
  my God, there's another person doing this. But at the
• 1:18:46
  end of the day, they're just doing the same thing
• 1:18:48
  I was 25 years ago doing. you know and they're
• 1:18:51
  crowding the space but the only way they can fight
• 1:18:56
  through it is being better and I guess it's easy
• 1:19:01
  for me to like I'm not saying I talk shit
• 1:19:04
  I don't talk shit about people trying to get in
• 1:19:05
  the space of art, photography, podcast whatever it is But
• 1:19:09
  they can't help it because fly fishing, it compels you
• 1:19:16
  to want to be creative and try to be in
• 1:19:19
  the space and try to be creative at the same
• 1:19:22
  time while you're surrounded by it. So it's hard to
• 1:19:25
  blame anyone.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: It makes you so happy you just want to express
• 1:19:28
  it in so many ways.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just excited by the thought of Paul standing in
• 1:19:33
  his studio and his boxers just looking at a painting going,
• 1:19:35
  I fucking nailed it. Hi, guys.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: It's Mike.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Y'all know me. You love me. Hey, y'all were just
• 1:19:43
  listening to a real good conversation between our friends and
• 1:19:46
  our good friend Grizz up there in Boston, and it
• 1:19:48
  got cut off. And I know this is a surprise
• 1:19:51
  to all of y'all who have been along for the
• 1:19:52
  ride for, you know, what, 67 episodes now, Paul? Yeah,
• 1:19:56
  so we fucked up. Memory card issues. We put a
• 1:20:00
  memory card in that did not have enough memory to
• 1:20:03
  be a card that we should be using for such
• 1:20:05
  an occasion. And Grizz got cut off. So you lost
• 1:20:07
  a little bit of conversation. To summarize, it was basically
• 1:20:09
  a two-minute goodbye where we talked about the art experience
• 1:20:13
  and how it interlaces with fly fishing. And we made
• 1:20:17
  some inside jokes that probably nobody will get but us
• 1:20:19
  and Grizz. And then we said goodbye. And then we
• 1:20:21
  made some really good commercials, which you will hear. Um,
• 1:20:24
  but that's it. And we just wanted to explain why
• 1:20:26
  this is not an easy flowing show. And we, uh,
• 1:20:28
  would like to ask for your forgiveness.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: But it's right up our alley.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: It's actually on brand. It's the most on brand. We've
• 1:20:34
  done this whole thing. This whole thing seemed way too
• 1:20:36
  professional to be honest with you, but we got there.
• 1:20:38
  So anyway, uh, we will resume the show.
• 1:20:40
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  Speaker 10: What's going on, Todd?
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  Speaker 9: What's up, Stan? Just chillin' out, man.
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  Speaker 10: I see you're not working again today. Dude, it's overcast.
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  Speaker 9: There's not going to be any flies hatching today.
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  Speaker 13: Look, Todd, I know Dad left you a large trust fund,
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  but he didn't do that. He didn't do it for
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  his entire life for you to do nothing in Jackson
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  Hole for your entire life.
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  Speaker 9: It's my money. I'll do what I want to with it.
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  Speaker 5: My money, Todd.
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  Speaker 14: Well, you're going to blow through your money, and don't
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  come talking to me when you need more, Todd.
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  Speaker 10: Why don't you.
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  Speaker 9: Try relaxing for once? Enjoy yourself. Enjoy your life and your, like,
• 1:23:35
  hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 10: Look, Todd, some of us work for a living, man.
• 1:23:40
  We all can't just be chilling.
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  Speaker 10: Fine, I'll go, but don't call me when you're broke.
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  Speaker 10: Hey Rob, are you ready for our fishing trip today?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 9: Well, fishing trip? I hope you're not planning on catching.
• 1:24:26
  I've got to do shots of three... Sage rods, two
• 1:24:29
  rods reels, and these new net gators I've got.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 14: My underwear sponsor is really after me for some sexy
• 1:24:36
  shots out on the water, so I'm really going to
• 1:24:37
  need you to put some.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 9: Of your needs aside and help me get some of.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 14: My sponsorship done here. Look, the algorithm is not going
• 1:24:43
  to take care of us if we don't take the shots, Rob.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 9: Tiffany, forget about your underwear shots. I've had these three
• 1:24:54
  sage rods on the books for at least two weeks.
• 1:24:56
  It's been cloudy.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: We haven't been able to.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 9: Get out and fish. I've also got sunglasses I've got
• 1:25:00
  to get specs of.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: I'm talking algorithms. It's going to take care of itself.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 14: That's just like you, Rob.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 10: Always thinking about me, me, me.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Me, me, me. All my rods.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 9: All the things I have to do.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 14: Todd, look, the only reason you're even famous is because
• 1:25:20
  you stood next to me in one of your Instagram
• 1:25:22
  shots and I totally got you like 20,000 follows.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: Look, this thong.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: Pays the bills, Todd. pays the bills.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah but it's always so obvious tiffany when you're not
• 1:25:32
  fishing and you hold the rod in the wrong hand
• 1:25:35
  and reel backwards.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: It's so stupid why don't you get a life and figure.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 14: It out when has this ever been about fishing rob
• 1:25:41
  it's not about fishing it's about making money off of
• 1:25:45
  instagram and.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 10: Not having to have a real job Jeez.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 14: Like, you think this ass wants to go sit in
• 1:25:50
  a chair as a secretary all day?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 10: I mean, Rob, I was not built for that.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 9: Why are we even fighting? We're not fishing. We both
• 1:25:57
  know that. We're both fine with that. Why are we
• 1:25:59
  even fighting? I love you. I love you too, Rob.
• 1:26:02
  Why do we do this to ourselves every time?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Every time, Rob. Let's just go.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 9: Out and not fish.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, please.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 10: Can we just ride around on the boat and drink
• 1:26:09
  some mocktails?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 9: That's when we're the happiest.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: We are.
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  Speaker 3: We are.
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  Speaker 2: Let's leave the cameras on.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 14: Well, except for the one camera, because I really do
• 1:26:15
  need to get a couple shots of the phone.
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  All right, sorry about all the... We had to play
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  some old school stuff. Yeah, sometimes you got to bring
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  it back.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a good segue into the old.
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  Speaker 2: We were going to talk about the....
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, just like marketing, fishing world, and ladies in
• 1:26:52
  scantily clad.
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  Speaker 2: Clothing. Not you, Sage.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody turn and look at me right now.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: I wish you could see this.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: You're the only female at this table, unfortunately.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: So we've had a lot of discussions on this.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Have you?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have. We have.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: Just between the guys.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: We talk a lot about scantily clad women, for sure. Okay.
• 1:27:20
  How it affects fly fishing, maybe not so much. Okay.
• 1:27:23
  And just.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Just catching up. I mean, I've also talked about just
• 1:27:28
  women in fly fishing, too. And as we talked about earlier,
• 1:27:33
  there's clearly a place and an awesome place for women
• 1:27:36
  in fly fishing. I mean... I don't know, now that
• 1:27:39
  I've had a little alcohol in my body, in my voice.
• 1:27:46
  I'm not thinking clearly.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Jump in, please.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: Take it away.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: That's an awkward spot to jump in on a ball.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Whether or not our audience will believe this or not,
• 1:27:57
  we usually plan these things out. And we had kind
• 1:27:59
  of two different segments today to talk about. One of
• 1:28:01
  them was women in fly fishing and kind of the
• 1:28:03
  marketing and how the marketing for women is obviously skewed
• 1:28:05
  towards a certain direction in a.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Lot of ways.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: But we also had a segment to talk about... I
• 1:28:12
  don't know how to word it other than, like, young
• 1:28:15
  people coming into the sport and how us old people
• 1:28:17
  who came into the sport at a different time.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Older, Mike.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: Older.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Older. How we feel about young people and, you know,
• 1:28:24
  assuming the people that were in place when we came
• 1:28:26
  in felt about us. But I think we can kind
• 1:28:28
  of tie these two things together. I think we can
• 1:28:30
  bring this together. And I feel like because women, I think,
• 1:28:32
  are unfairly judged on the same criteria that we judge
• 1:28:36
  the young people. So a lot of times our critique
• 1:28:38
  for the young guys, men, that come into the sport
• 1:28:41
  is that they come in a little too hot, right?
• 1:28:44
  They come in in this area, for example. They come
• 1:28:46
  in and these guys are just learning this fishery. They're
• 1:28:49
  just learning the techniques and they're learning all the fish.
• 1:28:53
  But they come across as like, oh, I'm discovering something.
• 1:28:55
  But they think they have the new thing. I'm the
• 1:28:57
  new thing. There's a new.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 11: I disagree wholeheartedly.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Let me finish my sentence and I'll let you get
• 1:29:04
  in it. But I feel like we judge the men
• 1:29:06
  on that card. Like, hey, he's coming in. He's a
• 1:29:09
  young buck. He's trying to change the game. He's doing
• 1:29:11
  this and that. I think Women get even more penalized
• 1:29:15
  just because they're women. And I feel like we say
• 1:29:18
  they're trying too hard when it comes to guys. I
• 1:29:20
  think the bar for trying too hard for women sometimes
• 1:29:23
  gets a little lowered, and I don't think that's fair.
• 1:29:26
  But I think it– I even catch myself sometimes doing
• 1:29:29
  it because of the marketing. So here's my kind of
• 1:29:32
  tie-in to this whole thing and the reason– I'm trying
• 1:29:34
  to make this sound reasonable, and it's not. But– My
• 1:29:38
  question to you as a young woman, you're younger than me,
• 1:29:42
  as a young woman coming into the sport.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Are you really?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: Surprising, right?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I'm an old man. But as a
• 1:29:48
  young woman coming into the sport, how do you kind
• 1:29:51
  of try to find that balance? I can't imagine you're
• 1:29:53
  unaware of this kind of predetermined notion that these girls
• 1:29:56
  are in the thong bikinis on the bows and skiffs,
• 1:29:59
  and they're standing with the right posture. And you can
• 1:30:03
  tell very clearly what that post is selling, and it's
• 1:30:05
  not necessarily fishing. How do you balance that versus people,
• 1:30:10
  because I know a lot of women who fly fish,
• 1:30:13
  and most of them are generally interested in fishing, and
• 1:30:16
  they're generally just as interested in the sport and the
• 1:30:19
  challenges and the rewards that come from it as I
• 1:30:22
  am and have no interest in any of the other
• 1:30:24
  part of it. How do you balance that? How do
• 1:30:27
  you take that pressure? Because it's got to be pressure, right?
• 1:30:30
  There's got to be something in there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 7: And I think also just the conversation of, having to
• 1:30:37
  deal with being well-respected no matter what side you lean,
• 1:30:41
  you still want to be respected. And I think it's
• 1:30:50
  very much a double-edged sword. I don't think that that
• 1:30:57
  would be an issue or even a discussion if there
• 1:31:01
  weren't men that consume that content to fuel that kind
• 1:31:05
  of input.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Well said. Absolutely. Well said. No, I understand the target
• 1:31:09
  audience is moi. I mean, even though I'm not consuming
• 1:31:13
  that media, but I'm saying is like, I understand who
• 1:31:15
  they're targeting with it, but it makes it very difficult
• 1:31:18
  for someone like yourself who is genuinely interested in the
• 1:31:20
  sport and wants to be a participant in the sport.
• 1:31:23
  And then you have this like, I don't want to
• 1:31:26
  call it a barrier. It's not, but like you have
• 1:31:28
  this thing in the front of you where like people
• 1:31:30
  are going to assume, Oh, she's only in it for
• 1:31:32
  the attention or she's only in it to do this
• 1:31:33
  or that or whatever. Right. Like, No, no.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: It's a great point. And yeah, a lot of people
• 1:31:39
  think that. And I think that the men that think
• 1:31:43
  that in the world are not the men that we
• 1:31:47
  want to fly fish with and we want to associate with.
• 1:31:51
  But that being said, it does limit, I think, where
• 1:31:58
  we want to go. Yeah. Where we want to take it.
• 1:32:03
  Also just... From a perspective of starting an all-women's fly
• 1:32:08
  fishing club, I've had to tread this line between hosting
• 1:32:15
  fly fishing events based on education in fly fishing as
• 1:32:19
  opposed to just social gatherings where women get together and
• 1:32:24
  talk about fly fishing. Because I've heard men... to my
• 1:32:27
  face say, that's just a group of women that drink
• 1:32:30
  wine and talk about fly fishing. And I don't ever
• 1:32:32
  want to be that. I don't ever want to be
• 1:32:34
  thought of that. And men, the thing about men is
• 1:32:37
  because they've owned the sport and the category for so long,
• 1:32:41
  they can get together and just drink beer on a
• 1:32:43
  Saturday night and talk about fly fishing and have that community.
• 1:32:47
  But if you're building something that's community-based for women, it
• 1:32:52
  can't be based in social aspects, which is, kills me
• 1:32:55
  because I love community but I think I need to
• 1:32:58
  go about it in a different way where men don't
• 1:33:01
  think of us as just women that get together and
• 1:33:03
  drink wine and talk about fly fishing I think it
• 1:33:06
  needs to be educationally based and that's the direction I'm
• 1:33:09
  going in right now and then maybe one day if
• 1:33:13
  the conversation and discourse gets to a place where it
• 1:33:17
  can be oh those are badass girls that catch so
• 1:33:21
  many reds and that just one Lady Red in Charleston.
• 1:33:26
  And yeah, they're getting together on a Saturday night. And that's,
• 1:33:30
  that's the angle I want people to think of us as.
• 1:33:33
  So yeah.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Can I just say that's amazing.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: And Mike, I want to remind you that like so
• 1:33:40
  many things that we consider like masculine pursuits are just
• 1:33:44
  because that's who we fucking see doing these things. That's
• 1:33:50
  who we see holding the rod or holding the gun.
• 1:33:54
  or anything else, it has nothing to do with masculinity.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: No. It really doesn't.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: It's a pursuit, just like I talked about earlier. It's
• 1:34:01
  a pursuit of a oneness with nature. It's like your
• 1:34:06
  desire to be out there in the environment. It has
• 1:34:11
  nothing to do with gender.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: It really doesn't.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: And can we all not admit that we're forgetting John Wolfe?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: We are all forgetting her right now.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: We are forgetting her. One of my favorite stories in
• 1:34:25
  the whole, we were talking about fly fishing shows earlier,
• 1:34:27
  and one of my favorite stories ever was in a
• 1:34:28
  fly fishing show, I think it was in New Jersey,
• 1:34:30
  and Joan Wolfe and Lefty Cray. And Joan Wolfe was
• 1:34:34
  scheduled to do a talk on fly casting after Lefty Cray,
• 1:34:37
  but Lefty being Lefty got up there and took up
• 1:34:40
  the entire time for the casting demonstration, and he left
• 1:34:43
  no time for Joan Wolfe. And Joan Wolfe walked up,
• 1:34:45
  being Joan Wolfe. And she walked up and she said, well,
• 1:34:48
  Lefty didn't leave me any time. And she dumped an
• 1:34:50
  entire fly line plus the backing. I'm talking like 120 feet.
• 1:34:53
  I know. I know. Like dumped it. And this is
• 1:34:56
  back in like the 80s. This is not like with
• 1:34:58
  new graphics. She was a true badass. She was a
• 1:35:00
  true badass. Like dumped it. Farther than Lefty could have
• 1:35:02
  dreamed of casting that rod. No way. And put it out.
• 1:35:04
  And then put the rod down on the deck of
• 1:35:06
  the casting pond and walked away and never said another word.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: Good for her.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: And that is a classy ass fucking woman. That's one
• 1:35:11
  of my favorite stories ever. But like, yeah, I agree.
• 1:35:16
  My point of bringing that question up, I wanted her
• 1:35:17
  to be able to address it. I personally know a
• 1:35:20
  lot of women who fly fish and are fantastic at it. Yeah.
• 1:35:23
  None of them are on ads with their ass showing or,
• 1:35:27
  you know, whatever. They're not feeding the machine. And to
• 1:35:29
  her point, she's right. The people consuming that media. are us.
• 1:35:32
  They're men. It's not other ladies. They're not marketing that
• 1:35:36
  to other ladies to get them into the sport. They're
• 1:35:38
  marketing that to dudes to get them to buy whatever
• 1:35:40
  garbage they're trying to sell.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Salt life. You couldn't have expressed that any better than
• 1:35:46
  I ever could of basically how you asked that question.
• 1:35:52
  The main thing that I guess gets my attention, let's
• 1:35:56
  just say there's 300 men to every one woman fly fishing.
• 1:35:59
  I don't know what the number is. Um, but whenever
• 1:36:04
  you get a hundred guys getting online, talking about what
• 1:36:08
  they're doing now and how they're doing it and getting
• 1:36:11
  their gear set up and rigging up their boat, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:36:14
  And you get the one female that does it. Everyone's like,
• 1:36:17
  Oh my God, she's true.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: What does she do?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Like she's, she's trying to like prove a point that
• 1:36:21
  she knows what she's doing and everyone. And I've done
• 1:36:23
  it myself. I've done this in my mind. I've gone, oh,
• 1:36:28
  she's trying to go over the top to prove that
• 1:36:30
  she knows what she's doing.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: And she's just under a microscope. And there are some
• 1:36:36
  women in the past that have gone way over the
• 1:36:40
  top to try to prove themselves and to try to
• 1:36:43
  overdo it. But I think we know who they are.
• 1:36:47
  They've done it, blah, blah, blah. And they sit in
• 1:36:50
  the same column as guys that have done it, too.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Because guys have done it, too.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 7: Exactly. It's under a microscope in comparison.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: When guys do it, they're not as obvious because they
• 1:37:01
  blend in with the.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 11: Other 300 guys.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: There's so many more. I've done it too. I've judged
• 1:37:07
  that female on that. At the end of the day,
• 1:37:10
  they stick out. They come to the forefront because there's
• 1:37:13
  not as many of them doing it. I've been so
• 1:37:17
  fortunate in the past to have gotten to know some
• 1:37:20
  of these female anglers that are the ones that don't
• 1:37:23
  have to prove it because they prove it on the
• 1:37:26
  water without showing it on camera and on social media.
• 1:37:31
  Lacey is one of them.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Lacey Kelly is badass.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I know your background. You've known her for a long time.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: She didn't have to prove anything.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: She's a badass and I've known that for a long time.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Well, right here in Our own area.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 9: Brie.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Caroline.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 7: Kelsey.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: Kelsey. They're amazing.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: Abby Johnson.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Abby, yeah. I think the point could be made for
• 1:37:55
  just about everybody. I don't know many men.
• 1:37:58
  I don't know many men that are what I would
• 1:38:01
  consider guys I look up to or guys that I
• 1:38:03
  respect in the fly fishing community. I respect a lot
• 1:38:06
  of people, but guys that I look at, I'm like,
• 1:38:07
  that's a motherfucking fisherman. That dude knows how to get
• 1:38:10
  it done. Fuck yeah. You know how many of those
• 1:38:12
  guys are Instagram stars?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: Zero.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. You know what I'm saying? And the same rules
• 1:38:17
  apply to women in my book. Most of the women
• 1:38:20
  I know, Carolines and the Lacey's, And Lacey has a
• 1:38:23
  little bit of presence as a girl, but she's a guy.
• 1:38:24
  She needs to have a presence.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: She's been around for decades, too.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Caroline has a presence, but her presence is her family
• 1:38:29
  and shit. Like, she's not there. She does her promotion
• 1:38:31
  and stuff, but she's not there, but she can outfish me.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: And then, like, you know, Hot Rod down in Florida
• 1:38:37
  and all these guys, all these gals that are doing
• 1:38:39
  all these great things. My problem is not with any
• 1:38:43
  of it. And you hit it on the head. And
• 1:38:46
  I don't know how to fix it. I don't think
• 1:38:47
  I'm capable of fixing it. There's nothing to fix. There's
• 1:38:50
  nothing to fix. We just move forward. It seems to
• 1:38:52
  me unfair, the microscope that you're placed under. Because if
• 1:38:57
  you excel, if you come out of the gate and
• 1:38:59
  you start swinging hard and you become the greatest lady
• 1:39:02
  fly fishman ever, you become the next Joan Wolf. Let's
• 1:39:04
  just say you become Sage. You are the new Joan Wolf.
• 1:39:06
  You are it. You're going to get berated. So scolded.
• 1:39:10
  by everybody in this industry, they're going to come down
• 1:39:15
  on you with shit they would never ever even consider.
• 1:39:19
  That they would never even approach you if I did it. Granted,
• 1:39:23
  I'm not going to do it. I'm too old. But
• 1:39:25
  if I did, nobody would ask a question because I'm
• 1:39:27
  a dude.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 11: Respectfully, I don't think that's.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: What it's about. What I would say is it not
• 1:39:32
  necessarily is.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: These, let me say, these salty women versus these aesthetic
• 1:39:50
  marketing-driven women because women are extremely multifaceted, way more multifaceted
• 1:39:56
  than men, especially when it comes to their passions and
• 1:39:58
  their hobbies and their sports. And we can be both
• 1:40:03
  of those things very simultaneously. And, like, I'm one of
• 1:40:08
  those women. I'm not going to present extremely... salty and
• 1:40:12
  outdoorsy all of the time. Like some of these badass
• 1:40:16
  women who are amazing guides and that's how they are
• 1:40:20
  going to show up 100% of the time. And I
• 1:40:22
  think that they should because that's how they want to.
• 1:40:25
  But you can be both of these things. You can
• 1:40:29
  be very classy and fancy and show up at these
• 1:40:34
  upscale things and also be super salty and fishy. And
• 1:40:37
  that shouldn't invalidate or cancel each other out. And I've
• 1:40:40
  I can tell you I've walked into a lot of
• 1:40:42
  fly shops in the past few years, and 100% they
• 1:40:48
  will take me serious if I'm in a dry fit,
• 1:40:52
  thumb hole shirt with a hat on way more than
• 1:40:56
  if I'm in trousers and a blouse and heels. And
• 1:40:59
  I get it. I do. But I also want them
• 1:41:02
  to know, like, we exist as both of those things
• 1:41:05
  at the same time. It's not that the assaulty women
• 1:41:08
  on Instagram are– are better at fishing or excelling in
• 1:41:14
  this community more. It's just that that's the way they
• 1:41:17
  present themselves. And that's not our fault how you interpret
• 1:41:22
  what is posted.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Well said.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well said.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't be your fault.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Do you think Instagram's good for women anglers, or do
• 1:41:29
  you think it's not as good?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Or social media, just in general.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, social media. That's a great question. I think it's
• 1:41:37
  good because... Women anglers wouldn't know there's any other girls
• 1:41:41
  out there if there wasn't social media. It doesn't matter
• 1:41:44
  how we're perceived. Because I will say, women don't perceive
• 1:41:47
  other women that way. I've never once looked at a
• 1:41:49
  girl and thought, wow, she's really trying to sell herself
• 1:41:52
  because her ass is out. I've never thought that. I'm like, wow,
• 1:41:56
  she caught a fish. Cool. Like, I don't think that way.
• 1:41:59
  And other women don't think that way. It is a
• 1:42:01
  men's perspective that gives that idea. The conversation is really
• 1:42:05
  men's focused if you really think about it big picture. Um,
• 1:42:10
  and women in the sport only care if other women
• 1:42:12
  are catching fish. They don't care what they're wearing.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Well, so this next, it's not really a question. That's great.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: It's more of a statement probably. Uh, but like I've
• 1:42:21
  got a daughter, she's five years old.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: I got two.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: She hooked her first red fish about two weeks.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: Ago, which is so sick.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: But I think, One day she gets to 17, 18.
• 1:42:31
  Maybe she starts taking fly fishing seriously. Maybe she doesn't.
• 1:42:33
  But let's just on the train of the story. Yeah,
• 1:42:36
  she does. She's 20, 21, starts getting into it like you.
• 1:42:41
  And even though she's the daughter of this fly fishing
• 1:42:45
  art guy. I think she'll be in the same pocket
• 1:42:48
  she's got to earn her way and she's got to
• 1:42:51
  totally be herself and kind of earn the street cred
• 1:42:55
  herself because I don't think people will take her seriously
• 1:42:58
  even though where she comes from.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I have a plan for this. For me. I have
• 1:43:02
  a plan for this. But she'll probably have to find
• 1:43:05
  her own way.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Which is okay. She'll have to be in that same
• 1:43:07
  lane and figure it out herself.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: And do the same things you're doing.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: My plan is to make sure that my daughters, both
• 1:43:16
  of them, understand how to cast a fly rod.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: Rip a double hole before any boyfriend comes in the picture.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I already know. My goal in life is
• 1:43:25
  literally to make sure that my girl can hurt the
• 1:43:27
  feelings of any little motherfucker whose daddy bought him a
• 1:43:30
  skiff that she runs into the rest of her life.
• 1:43:32
  Hurt the feelings. I want her to get on the bow.
• 1:43:34
  I make him feel this big. Mike, don't worry. It
• 1:43:36
  solves a lot of problems. We're all behind you, man.
• 1:43:38
  It solves a lot of problems. A, it weeds out douchebags.
• 1:43:40
  I would love that, too, yeah. Because a dude that's
• 1:43:42
  intimidated by that doesn't deserve my daughter, first and foremost.
• 1:43:45
  I agree. Secondarily, like, Also, she knows how to fucking cast.
• 1:43:49
  She's going to know how to pole, too, because I
• 1:43:51
  need to fish. I mean, I'm not trying to pole
• 1:43:53
  the rest of my fucking life. So, yeah, that's my goal.
• 1:43:57
  I hope my daughters enjoy that. Will you help them, Sage?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: They don't need help. They got Daddy.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 7: Sometimes women like learning from women.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: They need a community, but don't worry. By the time
• 1:44:08
  they show up to you, they'll be well-trained. You can
• 1:44:10
  fine-tune them. That's fine.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 11: You can pass them on.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: I will hand them off. Fine-tune.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: No, I love that. I think that's great.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Everybody that asked me when I had daughters, they were
• 1:44:18
  always like, oh, you didn't have a boy?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there are sometimes.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 7: Like, the fishing legacy doesn't end.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, my girl's just going to outfish your boys.
• 1:44:25
  I don't understand how that.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 11: Sometimes things in the world take a woman's touch.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: It's not a physical pursuit. They really take a woman's touch.
• 1:44:31
  Women cast... I'm telling you, dude. They're amazing.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 11: And they have a different way.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: I have been in the presence of a lot of
• 1:44:37
  great casters in my life. I have gotten into a
• 1:44:40
  casting contest with Steve Rajef, all right? So... Is he
• 1:44:45
  a woman? No, he's a man. But I have seen
• 1:44:47
  the best. I will tell you this right now. I
• 1:44:50
  met Joan Wolfe when she was in her 80s when
• 1:44:51
  I met her because I'm not that old. But I
• 1:44:53
  met her in her 80s. And me and her, we
• 1:44:56
  were casting some rods at the casting. And I have
• 1:44:59
  never been more impressed with someone who knew their way
• 1:45:02
  around a fly rod and a fly line. It's not
• 1:45:05
  about casting 120 feet. I don't know if these young
• 1:45:07
  guys that are listening to this need to know that.
• 1:45:09
  That's not as hard as it seems like it is.
• 1:45:13
  When you see somebody pick up a rod and just
• 1:45:15
  naturally move that line, and that line responds to the
• 1:45:18
  tip of that rod, and when they look a different way,
• 1:45:20
  the line goes that way, and when they look this way,
• 1:45:22
  it goes that way. That's somebody that's in tune with
• 1:45:24
  their hand and their brain, and everything is lined up
• 1:45:27
  through the tip of that rod all the way up
• 1:45:28
  to that fly. I've never met anybody like that, and
• 1:45:31
  Joan Wolfe was one of those people like that. Lefty
• 1:45:34
  Cray was like that. I've met a lot of other people,
• 1:45:36
  but I have nothing but respect for the women I
• 1:45:39
  know in my life that fly fish... I have two
• 1:45:42
  daughters that I hope to teach the sport to. To me,
• 1:45:47
  looking at it from a male lens, you were very
• 1:45:49
  right to put that out there, that girls don't judge
• 1:45:51
  on the same level that men do. But from a
• 1:45:54
  male lens, it's scary for me. It's intimidating for me
• 1:45:57
  to put my daughters out in this world and know
• 1:45:59
  that it's this big macho fest that we've created.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I thank you for your answer. That was
• 1:46:07
  very clear. And it kind of put me in my
• 1:46:08
  place a little bit there when you said, like, women
• 1:46:10
  don't think like that. I can't think like a woman.
• 1:46:13
  But it does help me to kind of understand that, like,
• 1:46:17
  maybe I should take a step back and realize that
• 1:46:19
  this is a me problem and not a them problem. Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: I think it's a– so that's a good point. I
• 1:46:25
  think it's a male-started problem that women have to solve.
• 1:46:29
  It's not something that's we-started. I think it's something that
• 1:46:33
  we have to answer ourselves and that's just the conversation
• 1:46:37
  of how it is. And, um, I think as we're
• 1:46:40
  answering that question, that's super prevalent in the fishing world
• 1:46:45
  in general, not even fly fishing.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: That's just something we all have to acknowledge and, And
• 1:46:51
  I think fly fishing is a little bit better than
• 1:46:54
  other aspects of fishing, offshore, freshwater, whatever it might be.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: That's a whole different world.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: My experience, exactly. A whole different world.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: A lot more money.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: A lot of people need to understand that. And a
• 1:47:06
  lot of people don't. And from my experience, a lot
• 1:47:12
  of people are really interested and maybe even floored that
• 1:47:17
  a woman's into fly fishing to begin with. And they
• 1:47:20
  don't even know where to start if it comes to
• 1:47:23
  judging and critiquing. So, you know, we're just at the
• 1:47:27
  tip of like embracing this and this new beginning. And
• 1:47:32
  I think it's just starting to become, like you said,
• 1:47:34
  with young anglers and with female anglers, it's just really
• 1:47:38
  getting into that area.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: Ironically, at the intersection of that in my life right now. But, yeah,
• 1:47:47
  I think we're just starting to manage that.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Come into your head. Well, now that we've cleared that up,
• 1:47:54
  can we just tell all these young fuckers to get
• 1:47:55
  off our lawn? There's too many fucking people. Can we
• 1:48:00
  just go back? Equal opportunity hater here. Can all of
• 1:48:03
  you get off of my flat?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 11: More than anything, we don't want less.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: People in our sport. We want more people. But I
• 1:48:11
  want less people in my creek. Less people on your flat.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: We want more people who actually care about everything that's
• 1:48:18
  going on.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: They understand the environment. Me and you looking across this table,
• 1:48:22
  we don't get to bitch about people.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 11: I want more people like her.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: We don't get to bitch.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 11: We don't get to bitch.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: We don't get to bitch. I made a movie.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: You made a bunch of movies. I was in some
• 1:48:32
  of them.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: We explained.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 11: They almost ran me out of town.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: I know. We were the guys that were like, these
• 1:48:39
  assholes are ruining the fishing. We were literally those dudes
• 1:48:42
  15 years ago. I know. 2010 through 2015, we were
• 1:48:45
  the ones. We were the most hated. They hated us.
• 1:48:48
  They hated us. I know.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Doug had Low Country Journal. I had Flood Tide. They
• 1:48:54
  were like, you guys are ruining our fishery.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Then I said, well, did you get 10 calls last
• 1:48:59
  week of people looking for guides?
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was us.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: Love Country Journal was just me all by myself.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: Honestly, when I was doing Love Country Journal, if I had.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 11: I didn't care if it was a girl or a boy.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I had had help with it. The
• 1:49:19
  passion is the passion. We were talking about the flack
• 1:49:23
  we caught.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, holy shit. Like we were ruining the fishery.
• 1:49:27
  That's back when there were five guides.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if only. If only they knew.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Back in those days, like, yeah, you go out fishing.
• 1:49:35
  I think my best flood tide, one flood tide, one
• 1:49:38
  literal four-hour in the grass tide, I put 11 fish
• 1:49:42
  on a rod. I saw 40. that doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:49:47
  I go out now, I'm the same guy. I know
• 1:49:49
  the same things that I know.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 11: But it's still... Flex ball.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, you go out now and not
• 1:49:56
  only can you not do that, but secondly, the reason
• 1:49:59
  I could do that was because I hit eight different flats.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 7: And no one was there, right?
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: No one was there. I could hop flat, flat, flat,
• 1:50:05
  take the two fish. Now you get your one flat.
• 1:50:07
  You get one flat.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Sage. Sage.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Before we hop to another subject, if there are... We
• 1:50:15
  happen to be lucky enough to have some girls.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: Listening to this.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, you'll have girls. I'll send girls listening.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so how can they get a hold of like...
• 1:50:26
  We've never had a girl listen. Never had a girl listen.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: How can we get other girls to get a hold
• 1:50:31
  of you?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: Season two upgrade. What was your question?
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 11: How can other girls get a hold of you and
• 1:50:36
  know there's.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: A community for them?
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: Lady Fly Club on Instagram. It's just Lady Fly Club.
• 1:50:42
  It's theladyflyclub.com, but Lady Fly Club on Instagram and host
• 1:50:46
  monthly events doing fly tying nights or casting events. In
• 1:50:51
  the Charleston area, I do everything. A few fun South
• 1:50:54
  Florida events here and there, but mostly Charleston.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: Just to clarify Doug's point, Crystal Murr, I'm not forgetting
• 1:51:00
  about you. Crystal down in Florida.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 11: Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: She's been with us since the beginning. We did not
• 1:51:06
  forget about you. We know you're listening. Total badass. Don't
• 1:51:08
  you dare think we're not appreciative of our female listeners.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: So here's the deal.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. We haven't touched pretty much anything. I know.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't even.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: But we've got to start winding this down.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: It's done.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: We're going to listen to the last phone call. We
• 1:51:24
  forgot to do that at the beginning of our news segment.
• 1:51:26
  We're going to do Queso.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: I saw him in the hall. I just saw him
• 1:51:29
  walk by the door. Queso's here? Richard's here?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Let's do the last phone call that we had that
• 1:51:36
  we should have started this segment with. I forgot. Production
• 1:51:39
  guys have seven beers. Okay, so we'll have a couple thoughts,
• 1:51:45
  and then we'll end this thing.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let it rip.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: Are you down for doing this again, though, Sage?
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: Okay, you're in? Thanks for keeping up with me, guys.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Not that we're totally done yet, but we're getting there.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Here's the phone call.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: Hello? Hey, Paul, it's Mike. What's up, man? What you doing?
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Hey, buddy, you calling to do barely live dates again?
• 1:52:13
  I don't think it's going to happen, man.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we'll figure that out. I don't have time
• 1:52:17
  to go through my calendar right now. But, listen, I
• 1:52:19
  got out of surgery a little earlier today. We had
• 1:52:21
  a case canceled, so I'm off. There's a tide. I
• 1:52:23
  am hitting the water in like 10 minutes, man.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: You free?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, shit. All right, man, I'll meet you over. Let's
• 1:52:29
  hit a solo greet. I'll see you there in five.
• 1:52:31
  All right, buddy. See you.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: Soon.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: Bye.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: Mail sack. Mail sack. Why is there air in this
• 1:52:39
  mail sack?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Mail sack.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 10: Let's all go inside.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 9: Well, hello there, Flood Time fans.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 10: This is your boy.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: I can't do it.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: There's no flip tie anymore, Richard.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: It's barely live.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: I miss flip tie. Are you going to bring it back, Paul?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Are you going to bring out a flip tie? I
• 1:53:10
  saw something on Instagram. Are you going to surprise? Are
• 1:53:12
  you going to make the t-shirt? Let's just see what happens.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: I got some possum skins I can donate.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: Speaking of, were you doing your latest batch on Mike's deck?
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: A couple weeks ago.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: I was in my bag.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 12: Mike let me park the trailer back in the back
• 1:53:28
  of the yard a couple days, and then I made
• 1:53:31
  some possum grease.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: I may have spilled a little bit.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, it was possum grease?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: It was the possum grease, yeah. I was making the
• 1:53:38
  bombs and the such, and it just got a little sloppy.
• 1:53:41
  Have you met Sage? Yeah, hi, Sage. I'm not used
• 1:53:44
  to seeing a female gender in this room. This is interesting.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: Hi.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's very nice to meet you.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: How are you?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic. My name is Richard Cato. Okay.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: She gets it. All right. She got it. Hey, so
• 1:53:58
  I see you on the second floor now. How long
• 1:54:00
  of a drop cord do.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 12: You think it would take to reach that window over
• 1:54:03
  there next to the hats?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: What now?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: A drop cord. I need some power. He needs some power. Oh,
• 1:54:11
  you parked out there right now? Yeah, I'm next to
• 1:54:12
  the tank.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: You seen that thing?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got tracks on it. It looks
• 1:54:15
  like a tank.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 11: Not legal at all.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: No. It doesn't matter, but I got.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Not here. Not here. Sage, I think, has a spot
• 1:54:23
  in her backyard.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Ooh, hello, Sage. You got a backyard?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: I got a tree line in the park.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Paul.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I guess, never mind.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: It's not for everybody. Oh, yeah, so... Anyway.
• 1:54:40
  I'm just trying to find somewhere to plug in, because
• 1:54:42
  I got a whole batch of balsam grease, and.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 12: If that refrigerator don't get plugged in soon, it's going
• 1:54:46
  to get real weird in there.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay, well, we'll figure it out. We're back in.
• 1:54:53
  We're back to business.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: There's an awful lot of crab flies.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: You see, you're always looking for somewhere to live.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: I'm always looking to live, Paul.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: You've been fishing much? You've been on any shows lately?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. Me and Roland Martin. Hank Parker? No,
• 1:55:06
  Roland Martin. Roland Martin, okay. Not Hank Parker. Roland.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: Roland did the millhouse thing.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: I heard you did the millhouse thing. Did you get
• 1:55:12
  to talk to the mill people?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: Are you milling?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: I did. I did some milling. You went and did
• 1:55:18
  some milling. You made some flour. I did, yeah. Now,
• 1:55:21
  we talked about tarpon fishing. Yeah. Well, I love tarpon fishing, too.
• 1:55:25
  Me and Roland, we've been making some shows down there.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 12: He's trying to sell another one of them tornado baits
• 1:55:30
  or whatever it does.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: You were in the Marshmallow Tarpon Tournament.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: I saw that.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: I fished for like... Two days or something like that.
• 1:55:36
  You were?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: I didn't see you. Yeah, we only caught like five. Okay.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: He doesn't come to the parties.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: You only got like second? Yeah, it was like maybe
• 1:55:45
  a little less than second. That reward check could have
• 1:55:48
  got you out of homelessness. Damn.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 11: No, not quite.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the rents around here?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 12: $ 2, 500.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: Jesus, what's that?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 12: One month in a studio?
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: You can't make possum grease in a studio.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: I need a kitchen. All right.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I've got a question for you, Richard. From the
• 1:56:05
  mail sack.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 7: Mail sack.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Mail sack. Don't we have music for that? So, okay. So, okay.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Let me read this thing. Hey, Richard, this
• 1:56:17
  is from John Testavardis to Ninsky. John Testavardis to Ninsky.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: From Maryland. That sounds like a real name.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: So, when he fishes, he likes to use six-pound tippet
• 1:56:29
  on the first cork and break the redfish off. And
• 1:56:33
  how long, much later, should you go back and looking
• 1:56:35
  for that redfish with the cork on the water so
• 1:56:38
  you can find the school?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Testy John. All right, Testy John. Yeah, what
• 1:56:43
  you talk about is we call that a Judas fish.
• 1:56:45
  You ever fish a Judas fish?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: So the Judas fish is real fun.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: You do this in the fall. You get them when
• 1:56:51
  they're all schooled up. And you catch the first fish. Now,
• 1:56:54
  you can do what John Testivardi does. And you can
• 1:56:57
  just break them off. Or you bring them to the boat.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 12: And you take an old Aberdeen gold number eight. And
• 1:57:03
  you hook it through his back fin with a little
• 1:57:05
  popping cork on the back.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: And then you let him go.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: You know what he's going to do, Paul? He's going
• 1:57:09
  to follow that school. He's going to go.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 12: Back to his school, and then you can just follow
• 1:57:13
  the cork around, and you catch them all day.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: We call that the Judas fish.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 12: And so, yeah, so what the nice thing to do
• 1:57:20
  about the Judas fish is at the end of the day,
• 1:57:22
  you cast a grub or something with a jighead or
• 1:57:25
  something with a treble hook, even better, across the top
• 1:57:27
  of that popping cork, and you snatch the popping cork
• 1:57:29
  and break that off so that the Judas fish ain't
• 1:57:31
  got to swim around with a popping cork all day. Now,
• 1:57:33
  I ain't calling it cheating. I'm calling it succeeding, but,
• 1:57:36
  you know. Some folks may frown upon it.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 11: Don't act like Richard Kissinger don't remember about Judas.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: You got any questions, Sage? You got any questions? Mail
• 1:57:46
  sack question?
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Hello, Sage. What can I answer for you this fine evening?
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at her.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: She's reaching in the mail sack.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, she dipped deep down in the mail sack.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: Got to get in there and get a good one.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: All right, all right, all right. So we have... Elizabetta
• 1:58:07
  Drumheller from Lincoln, Nebraska. That's a mouthful. She wants to know,
• 1:58:14
  I'm going fly fishing in Isla Mirada, Florida next summer.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: What fly do I throw that makes the guys come
• 1:58:26
  home with me?
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 11: I would say Coors Light.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 7: No, no, no.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what fly you throw to bring the
• 1:58:35
  fellas home.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 12: I know a couple of flies you can throw to
• 1:58:37
  piss them off when you catch more topping than they do.
• 1:58:41
  If you'd like the fellas to come home, all you
• 1:58:43
  need to know is just be at the lower line
• 1:58:45
  at a certain time of the evening when the sun
• 1:58:47
  gets low and the fellas are nice and sunburned.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: And salty.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, the thing is, now, just watch out for that
• 1:58:53
  right side corner there.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: Now, that's where the town hall meets.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 12: Now, you can't just sit in one of them tall
• 1:58:58
  chairs unless you're a member.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: Of the council.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 12: If you ain't on the council, don't sit in a chair.
• 1:59:02
  But if you find yourself in the vicinity of the
• 1:59:04
  chair and you smell like a certain brand of coconut
• 1:59:07
  sunscreen and it's the right type of light, you.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 9: Might just hit home run.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 12: But as far as the tarpon is concerned, if the
• 1:59:16
  light is low, make it dark.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: If the light is high, make it light.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 12: And if it is on the ocean side, it better
• 1:59:22
  be a worm, or you might as well just go
• 1:59:24
  on home.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Say it, girlfriend. All right. Say it, girlfriend. All right, Richard.
• 1:59:29
  That's great.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 11: That's all digital.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: In case someone has to say about Amarillo. Well, what
• 1:59:34
  are you doing tonight, buddy?
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 11: I didn't know he knew that much about tarpon fishing.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: He knows a lot more than you think.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: Richard, you know a lot.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: We've had so many conversations, you don't trust me.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: You just need a little cool call powder up your nose.
• 1:59:47
  You'll be just fine. Where are you going to stay tonight?
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: What are you playing?
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Are you going to the poorhouse to see some music?
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 12: You know I don't like to advertise my plans on
• 1:59:53
  the airwaves, Paul.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: That's how they get you.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: Are we going to see you maybe next month?
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Are we recording it?
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 12: You will see me before that, I'd imagine.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: You know if you turn this radio on, we're just
• 2:00:05
  going to come answer his fans. That's how it works.
• 2:00:08
  The mail sack beckons me from all corners of the earth.
• 2:00:10
  All right, buddy. Well, thank you.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: We'll see you later.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: I've got to go move the truck.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 9: That takes me.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: What did y'all do to Richard? He went running.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: We pretty much reached the end.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: That was amazing. I don't know how we got here.
• 2:00:40
  It was very secure.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: We've got a lot of.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: Sidewalk in.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: Here we are.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 11: Sage, this is one of my absolute favorites.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 7: I'm so happy to be here.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: I do want to make a... Yeah, thanks, Sage, for
• 2:00:51
  hanging out with us. We'll do it again for sure
• 2:00:53
  if you're into it.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: And just to answer your question ahead of time, yes,
• 2:00:56
  it's always like this.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: No, it is.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: It's always like this. Every episode is like this.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: Happy to kick it back up and going. 2026. Let's go.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: So if you're in Charleston this Friday at Redux Arts Center...
• 2:01:10
  There's a dude doing a pretty cool art show. It's
• 2:01:12
  called Big Bertha's Bait Shop. He's turning the Redux Art
• 2:01:16
  Center into this kind of fake fishing bait store. He's
• 2:01:20
  a local artist.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: I'm there.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: His name is Nick, and I can't remember his last name.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 7: Where is this?
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: At the Redux Art Center over there by that food
• 2:01:27
  line on Upper King.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: The Shitty Kitty? I got you.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: I think the Instagram page is Big Bertha's Bait Shop.
• 2:01:36
  I might have to go check that out. So that
• 2:01:38
  sounds awesome. I think it's from like five 30 to
• 2:01:43
  eight 30.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: Will you be there, Paul?
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take Piper and Sarah and I are
• 2:01:48
  going to.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: Check it out.
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  Speaker 7: Family outing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Family friendly.
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  Speaker 1: So check it out. Spread the word on that on
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  big birth is bait shop. And, uh, The other thing
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  is cast and draft skiff party is Saturday, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Skiff show. Freehouse.
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  Speaker 7: Skiff show. Freehouse.
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  Speaker 2: Skiff show. My skiff's been on display at one of
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  the cast and draft things at one time. It's not
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  going to be there.
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  Speaker 11: Let's go look at another skiff show.
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  Speaker 3: Frankie Marion actually reached out to me. He was like, yeah,
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  Explorer's going to be there. There's a bunch of boats coming.
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  Speaker 1: It should be a little get together.
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  Speaker 7: I'll be there.
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  Speaker 2: Not my boat. No.
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  Speaker 7: I'll be there.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I prefer your band.
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  Speaker 2: I do, too.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, Music Talk, Pony Bradshaw's newest album.
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  Speaker 2: I've been digging it a lot lately. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: Music Talk.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Normally, we'd do all this a lot longer, but I
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  feel like we've been going.
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  Speaker 2: On for a while. I don't have a music ever,
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  but we did talk about books earlier. I do want
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  to reference. There's a book out called James. It is
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  the Huckleberry Finn story, but told from Jim's perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 5: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it follows the story of Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about this. This is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember the author of it. You can
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  Google it, but it's called James. It's called James. And
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  it's the Huckleberry Finn story, but told from Jim's perspective.
• 2:03:05
  From Jim's perspective. And it follows Jim instead of Huck. Dude,
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  that's amazing. So Huck Finn... dances in and out of
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  the story.
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  Speaker 11: I got to check this out.
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  Speaker 2: But it follows Jim. It's very much more focused on
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  slavery and escapism and all that stuff.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also his perspective on this crazy, rebellious
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  white boy.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny. It's awesome. And it takes a spin.
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  I love it. And it's funny and it's original. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I read it.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was great. If you've read any classic.
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  Speaker 11: Literature, this would be a cool read.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to find that. I'm going to throw that
• 2:03:32
  out there. All right, cool. Yeah, absolutely. Awesome, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Any last thoughts?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to Golden Hour on Sunday. Marshawer's Golden Hour
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  hosted by Caroline Irwin.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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  Speaker 7: We got a whole lineup of fly fishing events.
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  Speaker 1: And where is that?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 7: This is in Alwindah.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a private?
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  Speaker 7: I think it's sold out now. Yeah, private event, but
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  really cool.
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  Speaker 11: Thanks for inviting us to a sold out show stage.
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  Speaker 7: Women's fly casting, fly tying. And then Lady Red's next month.
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  That's going to be the event of the year for
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  as far as women in Charleston so.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be a good one so maybe if we have
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  you back we can do a segment bringing some other
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  women talk.
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  Speaker 7: About I know other women I.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: Know I know other women I know other women I
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  know a few I don't always hang out talking to
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  guys in an art studio with the lights off with
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  the lights off or we're.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna go out on the same music we came in
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  on yeah let her rip baby let's go let's do
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  it oh that's a good one in the background but
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  we can't talk about it don't look at it in
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  the eye Thank you.