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Combat Journalist Exposes EVERYTHING | Sarah Yuen · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 1: Rawl Maries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse,
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  Speaker 1: across eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Port the t Shirt Podcast. Sarah, how are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hello? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Well, I'll tell you what. I'm absolutely over the
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  Speaker 1: moon and friends at home? Boy, is this the show
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  Speaker 1: for you? Because Sarah's highly specialized in hypnosis understanding PTSD.
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  Speaker 1: Will come on to that, but moreover she has she's
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  Speaker 1: a truth seeker and covers all the basis of all
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  Speaker 1: the things we love to discuss on this channel. And
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  Speaker 1: what drew me to Sarah was ours Cross. I think
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  Speaker 1: probably via Twitter some of my work, some of my
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  Speaker 1: charity work in the veterans community, and I saw some
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  Speaker 1: reply that you'd put Sarah on some military themed trauma
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  Speaker 1: Twitter post and it was to the degree of when
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  Speaker 1: are we all going to start facing you know, looking
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  Speaker 1: at the addressing the elephant in the room, and that
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  Speaker 1: is a significant percentage of soldiers, by soldiers, I mean
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  Speaker 1: military battle childhood trauma, whether they know it or not,
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  Speaker 1: and that this is a major driver behind the subsequent
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  Speaker 1: symptoms that we all call PTSD that the public believe
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  Speaker 1: is something you only get in a war. And so
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  Speaker 1: that was fascinating, especially as the Americans call it the
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  Speaker 1: thing behind the thing. This is what their veterans community
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  Speaker 1: call it. They call it that thing that like no
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  Speaker 1: one ever talks about like that. We was all a
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  Speaker 1: bit damaged as kids. So that's that's one thing. But
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  Speaker 1: just be great to have a chat about everything. Will
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  Speaker 1: come on to hypnotherapy, and I'm gonna I've gotta be
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  Speaker 1: careful what I say here. I'm going to say free
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  Speaker 1: one two three four coke. Yes, I do mean that
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  Speaker 1: kind of coke, folks. I'm but I gotta be careful
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  Speaker 1: what I say. So right off the bat, we were
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  Speaker 1: chatting about your surname, won't we. I recognized it as
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  Speaker 1: as Cantonese, and we both ascertained that we both lived
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  Speaker 1: in Hong Kong. Can we talk a bit more about that,
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  Speaker 1: Ericas I wrote, I wrote that book you can't see,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pointing to it now. Oh it's not there, Yep,
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  Speaker 1: there it is eating smoke, folks. That's my Hong Kong memoir.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, I got there after the Marines, Sarah to
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  Speaker 1: run a business ended up chronically addicted to meth and
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  Speaker 1: in psychosis and working as a nightclub dorman for the
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  Speaker 1: fourteen k I'm hoping you had a more of a
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  Speaker 1: leisurely tripped through Hong Kong.
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  Speaker 2: Not really. I arrived in I think it was eighty seven,
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  Speaker 2: and I had been avision. I started very early in
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  Speaker 2: television in the UK. I'd managed to get a job
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  Speaker 2: when I was seventeen by kind of hinting that I
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  Speaker 2: was older but not actually ever confirming it. And so
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  Speaker 2: I'd done six years in TV in the UK from
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  Speaker 2: the age of seventeen, and then thought all my friends
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  Speaker 2: traveled the world, I need to travel the world. So
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  Speaker 2: I went to Hong Kong, literally like a decision, from
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  Speaker 2: one light to the next, thinking, okay, I fancy where
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  Speaker 2: can I work in English in a television station, And
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  Speaker 2: Hong Kong came up. I don't even think I knew
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  Speaker 2: where it was, and I looked it up on the map,
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  Speaker 2: bought a ticket and went and then was lucky enough
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  Speaker 2: to get into a radio station and then straight into
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  Speaker 2: a TV station. So I was there for about six
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  Speaker 2: years I think in the end for five years. But
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  Speaker 2: as soon as I arrived in the TV station. It
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  Speaker 2: was you'll remember nineteen eighty nine when the Fall of
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  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe was in full flow and China was involved
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  Speaker 2: in the changes in China, the protests and then the
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  Speaker 2: tinun Men massacre, and so I was made a foreign
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  Speaker 2: correspondent in January nineteen eighty nine, at the same time
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  Speaker 2: as I married mister Ewan, who which is where my
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  Speaker 2: name comes from. So everybody expects a Chinese person to
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  Speaker 2: turn up when I come on air, but obviously I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: But we married, and then I was sent away for
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  Speaker 2: the next twelve months. The poor guy didn't even see me.
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  Speaker 2: And I covered what was happening in Vietnam with the
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  Speaker 2: boat people and then China, and was in China for
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  Speaker 2: three months in the lead up to the Tinman massacre
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  Speaker 2: and then which we weren't allowed to call it a
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  Speaker 2: massacre after it happened, and then through North Korea. Spent
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  Speaker 2: some time in North Korea, got deported from there, and
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  Speaker 2: then into the whole of the Fall of Eastern Europe.
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  Speaker 2: So I was based in Hong Kong, but spent quite
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time out of Hong Kong because that
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  Speaker 2: was the year when the world changed. Before the later
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  Speaker 2: time when the world changed, and so I was a
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  Speaker 2: foreign correspondent for not only for Hong Kong TV, which
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  Speaker 2: really was a bit of a two bit operation at
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  Speaker 2: the time. And I would turn up alongside CBS and
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  Speaker 2: CNN and BBC everywhere in these places that were where
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  Speaker 2: things were falling apart, and they'd say, who are you
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  Speaker 2: from Hong Kong TV. I've never heard of it. But
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  Speaker 2: then I went to work for CNN as well, and
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  Speaker 2: was working for a Singaporean channel. So it was busy, busy,
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  Speaker 2: busy time in Hong Kong. But that year was quite dramatic.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar just by chance? And Charlie row Yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were friends, were friends and colleagues in Hong Kong.
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  Speaker 1: And she's got a big sect in my book about
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  Speaker 1: I've got that on the list Sheananigan's. We're still friends
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  Speaker 1: to this day. She went on to become a news anchor,
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  Speaker 1: was it for CNN. She did meeting the Dalai Lama
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  Speaker 1: and all these, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, huge opportunities. It is a fantastic It was a
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  Speaker 2: fantastic job. Difficult now, but it was brilliant at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And Phil Wheelan.
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  Speaker 2: Chance, Yes, yes, I do know. Phil Wheelan. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: such a small world out there that everybody knew everybody.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a small Wild West town, wasn't it. Really?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they made my memoir eating smoke. In fact, you
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  Speaker 1: can show showing friends at home here. Now on that
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  Speaker 1: picture there, folks, is the Hong Kong Radio r t
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  Speaker 1: h R t h K turning my book into an
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  Speaker 1: audio play. I believe you call it. But yes, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: so talking about me my favorite subject. But no, I'm joking.
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  Speaker 1: We're here to talk about you. That's pretty obvious, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a guest on our podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that back and forth is fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I like it. Not everyone gets it. I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've been quite indoctrinated by the mainstream media
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  Speaker 1: over the years. And people come on a podcast they
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  Speaker 1: think I'm interviewing you, and I can't think of anything
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather not do. Chat absolutely, because as we've ascertained,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a two way flow of information, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing that I've never met you and yet
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  Speaker 1: two people that have been special in my life, you know,
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  Speaker 1: both of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in the same place, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's quite interesting about the whole new media independent media.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I'm stunned by how brilliant all of
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  Speaker 2: you guys who do these podcasts are and can talk
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  Speaker 2: for three hours. You know, in the old days, that
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  Speaker 2: was deemed to be something you could only do if
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  Speaker 2: you're a TV reporter. And then I watched people far
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  Speaker 2: better than anything we ever were, And then I was
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  Speaker 2: interested that Tucker Carlson said, you know that he never
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  Speaker 2: believed in the Joe Rogan experience so that anybody would
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  Speaker 2: sit and listen to somebody for three hours. And he,
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  Speaker 2: as a television reporter, was like, this is ridiculous. No
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  Speaker 2: one's going to sit and watch that. And then now,
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  Speaker 2: of course Tucker does the same, so he does two
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  Speaker 2: or three hours at a time, and you listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the chance to speak, rather than having
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  Speaker 2: to speak in you know, thirty second sound bites and
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  Speaker 2: even that would be too long for a normal news piece,
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  Speaker 2: is what people do crave. They want to know the person,
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  Speaker 2: they want to know the podcast, or they want to
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  Speaker 2: know the guest and not just have them pop in.
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  Speaker 2: Even in America, they're like five second sound bites abs.
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  Speaker 2: It's nothing Sarah, it's quite.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite sex, drugs and rock and roll, isn't it
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  Speaker 1: in the in the kind of war correspondent journalists scene.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, maybe without the drugs.
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  Speaker 1: I have had sex for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think you've got that, but haven't. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: drunk since I was eighteen. I haven't had an alcoholic
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  Speaker 2: drink since I was eighteen, because if I had one,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't string two words together. So there are quite
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  Speaker 2: not that many people who were abusing substances. Alcohol. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that was abused a lot, but a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: found it very difficult to work if you obviously had
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  Speaker 2: drugs or alcohol. But I would say, having now spent
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  Speaker 2: some time in the military, which will come back to
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  Speaker 2: as an attachment, and having been in the media, the
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  Speaker 2: stresses are very similar, and the things that you see
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  Speaker 2: are very similar, and what you're exposed to are very
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  Speaker 2: similar in terms of stress and nights out of bed,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know that there's plenty of my friends
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  Speaker 2: over the years have found themselves in the same situation
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  Speaker 2: as military personnel where they've had to turn to something
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  Speaker 2: really to cope with what's gone on in their life,
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  Speaker 2: what they've seen, what they've been asked to be part of.
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  Speaker 2: So there's not a huge difference between journalism and the military,
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  Speaker 2: except for the fact that you come at it from
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  Speaker 2: different sides, which I've now seen. I've been on both sides,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this is very quick to criticize without
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  Speaker 2: really understanding what the situation is on the ground. So
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  Speaker 2: that has been a huge education for me over the
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  Speaker 2: last fifteen years.
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  Speaker 1: And not drinking, that's no mean feet that's.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not once you stop at eighteen because I
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  Speaker 2: had a very important job. I was a weekend news
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  Speaker 2: editor in a TV station because they thought I was
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  Speaker 2: older and so I couldn't screw it up. So I
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  Speaker 2: had to stop drinking. And now you know, half a
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  Speaker 2: teaspoon of red wine and I have to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: So actually it's very easy when you've never done it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I mentioned it because kind of my
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  Speaker 1: chosen lifestyle now is not drinking. That's not to say
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  Speaker 1: that I never you know, I'm a binge drink for Sarah,
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  Speaker 1: So I can I can? I can be sober, they say,
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  Speaker 1: don't They for for months and months, if not years.
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  Speaker 1: But and I'm the reason I'm mentioning it is that
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  Speaker 1: obviously it goes hand in hand with childhood trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Well I would I would see binge drinking as where
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  Speaker 2: you say you can do without, it's not really even
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  Speaker 2: on the radar, and then you suddenly feel I need
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  Speaker 2: it and you and you binge drink and maybe feel
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  Speaker 2: you can't stop drinking. Then a lot of that is
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  Speaker 2: what I see as an executive control, which we can
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  Speaker 2: talk about later, but it's where a need that is
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  Speaker 2: suddenly triggered, that you suddenly feel something that upsets you,
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  Speaker 2: that hurts you, that you may now have no clue
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  Speaker 2: what it is, but something inside of you is like, right,
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  Speaker 2: give me something, you know, give me something that I
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  Speaker 2: can use right now to dampen these emotions. And that's
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  Speaker 2: when I see like you have this, like all these
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  Speaker 2: parts inside of you that generally can rub along okay
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  Speaker 2: until stressed. And then when that stress kicks in, they
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  Speaker 2: just come straight up and they demand. They'll demand alcohol,
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  Speaker 2: they'll demand drugs, and you can't fight that with willpower.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a feeling. When the feeling comes, it's almost
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  Speaker 2: as if you get pushed aside. And what the body
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  Speaker 2: needs is what it needs right now. And I've treated
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  Speaker 2: many many people who've been told they're alcoholics or been
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  Speaker 2: told that they you know, they'll always be an alcoholic,
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  Speaker 2: which for me is like, it's not true, because I've
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  Speaker 2: taken people who were what you would definitely you would
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  Speaker 2: define as an alcoholic through a certain number of hypnotherapy
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  Speaker 2: sessions and suddenly they can drink socially, no problem at all.
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  Speaker 2: They can have one or two and then go home.
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  Speaker 2: And that So why should we try to bring people
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  Speaker 2: to a point of abstinence with like sheer willpower without
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the trigger and what has actually brought them
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  Speaker 2: to need it? So I go so far as to say,
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  Speaker 2: there is no addiction. There is no alcoholism. There is
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  Speaker 2: no drug or substance abuse addiction. It's a need that
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  Speaker 2: the body is screaming for. And even the strongest of you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the guys who've seen the worst, you couldn't
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  Speaker 2: fight that. It's it's it's a it's my actual form
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  Speaker 2: of hypnosis. I call it hostage negotiation because you are
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  Speaker 2: a hostage. You're a hostage to what your body needs
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  Speaker 2: and when it when it demands. You know, there's even
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  Speaker 2: the best hostage negotiator in the world has to take
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  Speaker 2: it slowly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just that, you know, when you're stressed.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it can be when I'm really really happy.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's going fire in, everything's going smoothly, I'm getting the
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  Speaker 1: results I want, and my body goes right, let's just
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  Speaker 1: keep this on a high. Let's go and get some beers.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not what it's doing. It isn't that it's
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  Speaker 2: keeping you on a high. It's not that it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, life's great, let's go for it. What it's
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  Speaker 2: doing is it's seeing you having a good time. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you know you've got a new partner, or you've got
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  Speaker 2: a new baby or new business or whatever, and you're
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  Speaker 2: focusing intently on that, and you're thinking even that that's thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is good. Life's good. The parts inside of you
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  Speaker 2: that have been through serious trauma, maybe all the way
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  Speaker 2: back to the very beginning of your life, are like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're having a good time. Are you? Life's great? Are
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  Speaker 2: you all? What about me? When do I get when
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  Speaker 2: do you come down here and resolve what happened in
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  Speaker 2: the past. And if you're going to ignore me while
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  Speaker 2: you're having your lovely great time up there, then I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to sabotage it. And that's what I see as
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  Speaker 2: malevolent ego parts, where everything that happened to you, you've
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  Speaker 2: created these parts in you that have protected you, looked
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  Speaker 2: after you, insulated you, maybe pulled you out of horrible situations.
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  Speaker 2: And they've been there for as a help. And then
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  Speaker 2: as you've gone forward and tried to shrug off what happened,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, hang on, I didn't get over that.
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  Speaker 2: You're just kind of trying to paste over it. But
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  Speaker 2: I need to talk about it. You need to come
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  Speaker 2: down here and talk about it. And of course we're
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  Speaker 2: like nah, lah la la. You know, I know that
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  Speaker 2: was my previous life. It's not my present life. And
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  Speaker 2: so the binging is pulling you back. It's like, come
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  Speaker 2: back and sort this out, please.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating. How do you know then when? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've used myself as the example. I don't like doing it,
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  Speaker 1: but if it can help anyone out there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when people say, oh, he's really turned his life, I
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  Speaker 1: hate that, and I'll say, no, I've lived the perfect life.
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  Speaker 1: I might have been a bit of a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a rebel, you could say, and I'm certainly upset a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people over the years, and they've done things
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  Speaker 1: that you know, in an ideal world, I wouldn't have done. Sari.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to say regret, although yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably a fair word. But here's the thing, Like
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  Speaker 1: when you meet my family that I'm blessed with that
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  Speaker 1: I do not deserve, honestly, you say that, hand on heart.
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  Speaker 1: When you meet my little boy, oh man, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: like God created an angel and then gave him to
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  Speaker 1: me me And when I look at him, I know
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  Speaker 1: that I've done everything right, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And why do you think they gave them to you? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and boy, you know when I set off to
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  Speaker 1: row the Atlantic, you know, and believe me, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: do it lightly. I did weigh up the risk factor
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  Speaker 1: and it yeah, it's as long as you know what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing, you're going to be okay. Well, there's always
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  Speaker 1: that element obviously, that's why it's a dangerous sport. But
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  Speaker 1: but oh my god, that that morning I didn't care
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  Speaker 1: about rowing Atlanta. What he even bothered about that didn't
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  Speaker 1: think about it is that that's like that literally the
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  Speaker 1: easy part is going to be getting in that boat
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  Speaker 1: and going And it was no I never felt the
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  Speaker 1: way I did the day before with my boy walking
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  Speaker 1: through Granken area, trying not to cry Sarah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: trying to explain to him that, you know, I said, son,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to promise you that I won't die,
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  Speaker 1: because if I did, I don't want your last memory
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  Speaker 1: of me to be my daddy made me this promise
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't keep it. But I can tell you
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure I'll be fine, so don't worry. And he's like, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: that's all right. I understand. You know, he was only
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  Speaker 1: nine at the time, and I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: We realized what pressure we put on our children. And
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting you talking about him like that because I've
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  Speaker 2: sat in ditches with soldiers who you know, the hurry
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  Speaker 2: up and wait where They've said, you know, I couldn't leave.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't walk out the house yesterday morning. I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't do this. I couldn't leave him. I needed
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  Speaker 2: to be there. You know what am I doing. I'm
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  Speaker 2: six months abroad and my child's growing up without me.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that while you resolve that in your mind,
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  Speaker 2: because you have to take that, you don't realize the
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  Speaker 2: pressure it places on you in terms of decision making.
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  Speaker 2: And when I was doing the training in the lead
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  Speaker 2: up to deploying to Afghanistan, it was just make believe,
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  Speaker 2: you know, tes ves and running around and it was
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  Speaker 2: make believe. And then just like you, the morning that
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  Speaker 2: I left for Afghanistan and I saw him off to
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  Speaker 2: school and my boy was fifteen, and I drove to
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  Speaker 2: England because I was living in France to get to Ketterick.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I turned round five times between Leon and Calais. I think,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: what are you doing? What are you doing? Go home,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Go home? And we brushed that off and laugh about
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it as a story later and like you're explaining the
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: story that you know you love them to bits, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: you still had to do that and one of those
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that will be one of your regrets later when he
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: probably at twenty two, says, you know, you went and
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: rode the Atlantic when I was nine, but it was
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: we're still even as parents, you know, we still have
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: that drive. We still seek adventure, We still seek a
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: need to have some kind of frisson of excitement in
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: our lives. But we've brought these little humans along, all dogs.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, mine's thirty now, so he doesn't really care
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: where I am. But now there's little dogs that look
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: at you with the same expression, and it's like, do
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I have the right to do it?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: If he olds it against me, I'll just say, will
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you help me row the boat into Barbados?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: My boy I sat on a ski lift with him
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a week before Afghanistan and said, if you don't want
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: me to go, say it now, tell me now and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I won't go. And there was this horrible silence and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: then he said, no, I think you need to go.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, did that come back at twenty two?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: You put me in a position, you asked me, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you made it my decision, and I was like, I did.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I did? But I think we can only do what
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: we do at the time, what with the knowledge we
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: have at the time. You know, people, I just like you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I've done some pretty crazy things in my life. I've
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: left people hanging while I've done some crazy things, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I look back and I think, if I had the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: chance to do it all over again, would I change
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: what I did? And then I think, no, not with
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the knowledge I had at that point. Hindsight is a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: wonderful thing, yes, but we don't get given it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Going back to my original point, is that you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I generally feel an enlightened person. I mean I sort
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of know that I am. I think people find that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: condescending or arrogant, and it's honestly, it's not meant to be.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It's just that when the light comes in your life,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you'll know it. You just know it, because everything changes
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: over it literally changes overnight, and you will walk this
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: planet as a different entity. You just do. But here's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the thing to get to this state. I know, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: appreciate that I didn't have the best what you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the quote unquote best of childhood Sarah right, And I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't change that. I am grateful that I had a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: hard time. I'm grateful because I learned an awful lot
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: about life through it. I learned forgiveness. I learned to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: look at other people's stories and see the hardship that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they went through. That that I wouldn't have had any empathy.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But before et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, how come
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: is it possible with me? Then? When I look at
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: same binge drinking, for example, is do you do you do?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You get what I'm trying to say here, I'd say,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I'd say my past is done and dusted. I don't.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I always teach people to forget the past, it doesn't exist,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: be present, and look to the future. And yet when
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you see something in my behavior that would indicate that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: maybe there still is a little something. Is what I'm
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: trying to say, How do you know that? How do
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you find what that? And what what should it be?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: The symptom still So if there is a symptom, even
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: if it's sporadic, then there is still something unresolved. And
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: so the fact that you have these moments where everything
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: can just you know, collapse in a heap, is indicative
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that even though you've you've seen the benefit in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: past and the lessons that you've learned and the way
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you've the person you've become, something is not resolved back there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: That's the first thing I'd say, if you were my
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: client you came to me, I'd say, Okay, right, there
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: is still a problem. We just acknowledge that now. It's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: probably a very long way back, and it's something you
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: don't remember. If you do remember it, you've already rationally,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: logically thought through it and come to terms with it,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and therefore that's not the problem. A lot of people
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: will come to me and say, oh, well, I know
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: what's wrong. You know, I remember, you know, the dog
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: died when I was eight or whatever, and when I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was former dad moved out and that's the problem. And
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, there's secondary problems. There's secondary triggers,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: because if you're still from anxiety and hypervigilance and depression,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: it goes back further. I mean, I've had people go
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: back in hypnosis into the womb and conversations they heard
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: in the womb, and whether that's true or not, it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: hard to believe that you can hear anything from the womb,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: But whether it's true or not is irrelevant because the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: information that they come back with out of a hypnotic
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: session is relevant to why they still feel that way now.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So I would say to you that there is still
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a need for some comfort, which is what the binge
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: drinking brings, and potentially there's still a malevolent ego part
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: down there that's determined to scupper you until you come back.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And there are certain things you're saying that As a hypnotherapist,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I go, oh no, And one is, you know, I'm
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: really glad. I had a hard time because you can
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: see the benefit. Well, I can bet you that that
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: little boy, the little Chris, he wasn't glad. He had
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a hard time. He had a horrible time, and he
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: is potentially still stuck in that washing machine of emotion
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: on some level. And so you going, oh, and I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: had a great time. You know it made it's really good.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You know, it made me strong. There's a little one
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: down there going are you kidding? Do you know how
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: bad it was? You're just glossing over it? And that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: can cause that. I mean, I know, I personalize it
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a lot, and people say to me, you know, how
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: can you personalize it so much? But I say, just
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: imagine those little wee balls on the bus that we
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: had as kids, and he had a little little Tyke's
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: bus and it had all these little people on the bus,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and we have all those little people inside of us,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: but they we changed the driver. So mostly, you know, logical,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: rational Chris is driving the bus and he's bringing along
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: all these other parts of him that were created in
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: different situations to manage those situations. But every now and again,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: one of the wee bulls at the back surges forward,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: chucks Chris out of the driving seat, and he's like right,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have my five minutes. And while he's
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: doing that, you are not necessarily in control of your
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: actions or what's happening. And sometimes it can even lead
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to blackout rage, where that one is so furious that
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you've been ignoring how much it hurts that it will
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: literally push you out of the bus and take off
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: without you. And you'll come back around like ten minutes
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: later and find you've smashed up your kitchen and your
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: wife will be standing there saying why did you do that?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And you're like, did what? I didn't do anything? What
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: are you talking? But you're holding the sledgehammer and the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: kitchen you just installed is in bits as one of
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: my So what happened to one of my soldiers? And
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: even the NHS recognizes blackout rage. So you have to
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: think about yourself as a wee ball bus and you
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: have to think that who's driving it today and if
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the way you're feeling, the way you're thinking, the sensations
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: you're feeling are not positive. Today someone else has got
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the bus and a light in speed, you have to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: negotiate with the person driving the bus. You can't just say, look,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you know it wasn't that bad, Get out of the seat,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: get back in the back of the bus. I'm in charge.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Then you'll have a mutiny because then all the other
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: parts will gang up and say, this guy's a jerk.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: He doesn't understand how bad it was. He's trying to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: pretend it never happened. And that is PTSD. That's when
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: all the different parts of you decide that you are
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: not leading their life the way they want to live it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And that is when you get this conflict ridge. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Jack Watkins, who is the guy that I follow very much.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: He died unfortunately, but he was the World War two
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: American military psychiatrist who said, anyone who's still suffering symptoms,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it's a conflict ridge down the middle of your head.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And on one side you got the logical, rational you.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: On the other side, you've got the primeval you who
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: only cares about you, and they hurl Molotov cocktails at
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: each other, while the conscience, the higher ego, is sitting
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: there saying, look, stop, guys, you know, why can't you
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: just work together? You know you're strong and so strong,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: just work together. But the two sides are fighting, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: that's PTSD. You'll see PTSD when it's cumulative PTSD when
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it's all just gone to put inside and the person
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: is just sitting there while there's a battle going on.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Wow, And I do just a mond to state I
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: do call it cumulative PTSD because a few people will
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: have picked up on that and said it's not cumulative,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: it's complex. And it's like it's only complex to a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: doctor who doesn't understand it, as somebody who understands it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: It is quite obviously an endless series of traumas that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: have gone through someone's life. And the more you have,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the worse you feel.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never feel bad, though, I mean I have
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: some afterwards.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Do you feel bad?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: No, I live in paradise every day, even.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Drinking after the binge drinking.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I might have a moment around like, oh, freaking
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: how I wish I hadn't done that? Or I've upset,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you know obviously, But then I'm just like, what if
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: they're upset, that's their issue. You know. I'm a person
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I come with true and if you can't understand that,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that's not my it's not It's not like I'm out
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: there brandishing it and purposely.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: But but oh, how we react around others and I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: think like psychiatrists say, you know, build your barriers, build
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: your boundaries, and then you know, if people don't like it,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: never mind. But as you know, we are all energy,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: and if we project a discordant energy for a certain
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: length of time that is going to impact on the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: people around us. We will impact on their their energetic boundary.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I know I'm sounding a bit bohemian here.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think I think you're spot on. But
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I answering your original point is that no, I don't
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: smash the house up. I always I always catch my behavior.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Now it's like, all right, Chris, you know this is
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I put an arbitrary figure on.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: This has gone on a couple of weeks. Now, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: get your running shoes on, get out, you know, go
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: There's a problem with running. Running is running running away
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: from what the problem is. So many people, especially military
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: personnel and civilians, will use the gym or use running
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to get those endorphins flowing and to distract, which is
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: why during COVID when they locked down, everybody who couldn't
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: they couldn't go to the gym, they couldn't go running,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: couldn't do the exercise they wanted to do. People really suffered.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I lost a patient who I hadn't yet
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: started with because who was ex military rifles, because he
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: was suddenly shut in the room with his thoughts. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I would say, and I had a question that I
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: noted while you were talking, is what happened to you
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to awaken you so that you're now only really having
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: a few moments of issues, whereas other people listening might
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: be having it every day.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I can cover that, can I just say?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: So?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I'm risking come and cross the sound and really arrogant.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I don't mean it. What I mean is is that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you know I've done everything I can to get my
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: life into the best shape I can, not just for me,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: although we take care of ourselves first from what I understand,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: but obviously because I'm a family person and I'm not
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: so stupid as to not recognize, I'm also a substance
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: misuse specialist, no surprise there, so I totally understand the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: damage and the effect that alcohol has on other people.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I think what I was meaning there is, you know,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: if I have been that person that's been then I'm
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: not going to beat myself up about that. It's not
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: something I you know, I don't.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Think anybody should beat themselves up about anything that relates
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: to behavior as a result of trauma, because it's not
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: something that you are in control of. I get really upset.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I do get upset with the alcoholics anonymous, because all
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: narcotics are not because there's definitely a level of blame
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that you have caused this issue and these people, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that you are the reason, and that you're almost weak
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: for being for succumbing to it. And it's like, no,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: this is a process in the body, and no, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: don't even believe in mental illness. I believe it's a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: messaging system PTSD. All the feelings feelings you feel are
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: your body communicating with you that there was an issue
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and it made you feel this way or it made
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you do this, and alcohol and drugs are a method
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to calm that feeling, which is quite obviously you're going
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to seize it. And it might not be alcohol and drugs.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: It might be chocolate cake, or it might be the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: gym every day, five times a day, or it might
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: be anything that actually brings you to a level of calm,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: like running. And so you know, I myself have a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: huge chocolate addiction, have the lock of the chocolate in
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the fridge and give someone else the key. Who is
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to say that I've got less of a problem than
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: someone who's doing crystal meth. I don't have less of
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: a problem. I have the same problem, which is I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: want comfort. So and it's not arrogant anything you're saying,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: because we each have to find our way to get
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to a level where we're comfortable with ourselves, let alone
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the people around us. The fact that we're able to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: maintain a relationship after getting comfortable with ourselves is brilliant.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But you know, coming sitting with me for a few
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: hours is never a good idea, because of course I'm
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: coming at it one hundred percent from a therapists point
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: of view, and I'm listening all the time. But it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I would say that something's happened to you that has
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: made you change your path, and it can come through many,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: many different forms. And as you've changed your path, you've
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: managed to contain an awful lot of what was said,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: what came from the past. But even little things like
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: dissing the past in a way, you know, oh, embracing
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: they say, you know, embrace your trauma. Yes, but not
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to the point that you just use coping mechanism and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it's still happening and then you're just coping with it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: To embrace your trauma is to understand it, and to
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: understand it means you must understand the very first time
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you ever felt that your life was in danger, which
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: is what PTSD is. If you were a small child
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: who was put at the end of the garden and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: left to cry and nobody came to you for four
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: hours because somebody told you, not told the mother not
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: to go to the baby, which was nuts, but if
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: you were there, that will set off a trauma reaction
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: later in life. You was anyone going to come? Were
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you going to get fed? What if mom and dad
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: just argue constantly night and day and nobody picks you
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: up when you're a baby, you're helpless, that can start it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: What if you end up as a What if you're
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: born early and they put you in an incubator from
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: six months in and the only person who ever comes
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to see you really is someone who comes in and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: stabs you with a needle. That's a predisposition to PTSD.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And in World War Two they wrote out a whole
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: list of predispositions to PTSD and generally things you would
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: never remember if most of us only remember from three
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: years old onwards. So there's people would say, my childhood
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: was great, there was no issue. But then we find
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: there was a big brother. It used to go in
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: when the baby was in the cop and used to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: pinch the baby or stab him or hurt him, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that set off for an anxiety reaction that's gone on
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: through their entire life till they're forty five. So it's
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: so it can be so small or it can be tragic.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: How would you How could you ever know that though
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: unless obviously the brother came clean, how would a person
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: know that something had happened.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: This is why CBT and talk therapies don't find it,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: because it's buried. It's buried right down deep, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: in a file inside another file, inside a folder, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you don't even know the folders there. So what they
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: found in World War two was you take someone into
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: a really deep state of hypnotherapy where you read lax
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: them to the point that they can't feel their arms,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: can't feel their legs, most of the time, they fall asleep,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and then you ask the body to tell the person,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: what was it? Just very simply you know what was
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the issue, and you would be amazed that after an
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: hour of deep relaxation, if that question is asked by
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a hypnotherapist who's basically guiding your meditation, if that question
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: is asked, that the people will suddenly see in their
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: dream almost in a dreamlike state, they'll see a snapshot,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: or they'll see a video, or they'll have full recollection
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of something that caused it. Because a body knows what
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the problem is, but it's shut you off from it
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: because it thinks it was so awful to a six
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: month old that you shouldn't remember it. It will derail
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: So oh sorry, Sarah. Are we saying that hypnotherapy can
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: help you to recall this event that might have been,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: say when you were six months old?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Not help you will it will show you. It will
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: show you what caused the issue. Now, if it's through
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: child abuse or something really really serious, like you when
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: you're in a car accident or something, the body will
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: generally try to show you an analogy of it. You know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: if your mother tried to stab you when you were born,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: which I've had with a client. It doesn't want to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: show you that it wants to show you something of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: an analogy where no adult came to help you in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: a certain situation, might show you something at seven rather
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: than one. But then later in the day, when you're
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: not in hypnosis, you might get a sudden thought. You
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: know your mother tried to stab you, but they won't
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: let you see it. So the body will protect you
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: from anything that is deeply, deeply traumatizing as long as
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: it possibly can, or it will devise a way for
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you to understand it without you having to actually experience it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I've had situations where we're on session fifteen. It should
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: only take six sessions, maybe four, maybe two, but we're
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: on session fifteen with a lady, and I could not.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Every time we went back, she got loads of information,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: her into a hypnotics for relaxation, go back, she'd get
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: loads of information. Symptoms still there, so you know you
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: haven't got there. And then finally we went back and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: something awful had happened to this child, and the mind
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: showed her the situation, showed her picking up the baby
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and holding the baby, and then showed of what happened.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So the mind was trying to insulate her that while
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: she was watching what happened to the baby. She was
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: holding the baby. And the mind is amazing in its
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: ability to protect the person from the worst of their memories.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So in all my work, and there's a free book
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: online that people can go and read or listen to,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: in all my work, this process of taking someone into
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a deeply relaxed state, which we might call a trance,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: opens the memory banks and opens the memory banks to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the fundamental thing that started the fight, flight or freeze response.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And what's quite interesting that I've realized, I don't know
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: if others have realized, is that that fight, fight or
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: free his response creates different symptoms in someone later on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So if you were in a situation, and I'll give
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: it as an example, in three brothers in a family,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: first boy arrives in an abusive household. Father beats him
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: quite often. He's really vulnerable, but he's furious. This baby
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: has developed an anger towards his father and if he could,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you know, he'd fight him off, his mother or whatever.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: That man, when he grows up will have fight symptoms,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: which are irritability, anger, hypervigilance, pain from tension in his body.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And that will show me that at some point in
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: his younger life he wanted to fight against something, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: we'll go looking for that. Then the second boy arrives
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and he's arrived in this awful household he's born into. It,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: sees his father attacking his brother, thinks he's going to
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: get hit next, his mother screaming. He's terrified of what
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: happens in his household, and he is scared. He's got
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: fear reaction, a flight reaction, and he will just run
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: off into the corner of the house and hide when
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: it all goes off. Pop. Now he will develop anxiety, depression,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: a level of hypervigilance as well, and all his symptoms
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: will be related to fear. And then the third boy
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: arrives and is mayhem. You know. He's got one brother
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: that runs away, He's got another brother that stands up
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to his father and causes problems, and they all get beaten.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And this boy develops a freeze reaction and he just
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: stands there while it all goes off around him, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: something inside him pulls him out of his own body
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and he's able to just witness what's happening as if
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: he's an onlooker, as if he's an observer and but frozen.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: He can't run away, he can't fight back, He's just frozen.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: When he grows up, he's going to have dissociation. He's
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: going to every time he meets any element of stress,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: he'll just pull out and he'll just accept whatever happens
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to him. He'll be one of these people that accepts
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: whatever anybody wants to say to them, whatever abuse anybody
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: wants to give him, he'll just accept it, because that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the way his autonomic system has been programmed. So as
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a typnotherapist, when someone comes in and says, I'm a policeman.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Every time I get to the scene of a murder,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I can't get out the car, I freeze and so
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: then immediately I know, okay, So whatever happened when in
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: trauma when he was younger froze him. And it's interesting
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: just going off on a tangent, but it's interesting to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: me that you've said, you know this thing behind the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: thing that you mentioned. I've never heard of before that phrase.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But it is only now, since twenty eighteen, that the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: National Health Service is beginning to understand the impact of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: childhood trauma and being behind a lot of the mental
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: health issues that we are seeing today. Twenty eighteen is
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the first time that two NHS consultants wrote a paper
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: on childhood trauma and started using a level of hypnotherapy
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like an extended meditation to try to help people, not
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: even delving into what's wrong, just progressive relaxation and got
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: enormous effect on Scottish veterans that they were using it on,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and the NHS went after them to the point that
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: both men are no longer consultants and are hiding out
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: in Scotland because they got so much grief for showing
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: how progressive relaxation could diminish, if not totally eliminate PTSD symptoms.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: So we're dealing with a nascent understanding of adverse childhood reaction.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But they knew it in nineteen forty three and in
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixteen to nineteen eighteen, all the guys coming back
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: from the Battle of the Somme were treated with hypnotherapy
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and they could release shell shock symptoms. Its hard to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: say shell shock symptoms in two hours three hours. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: there's video on my podcast of guys who couldn't walk,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: who were completely frozen up, suddenly running down the steps
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: after their session. So Why was it not carried forward?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Why was all that knowledge from twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, eighteen,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixteen not taken through to World War Two and
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: then taken through to all the recent wars. Well, it
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: starts being as a conspiracy theorist believing they want everybody
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: broken because you're the only ones in know, Attam, that makes.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: You a conspiracy theorist, Sarah, I think that's just patently
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: obvious to anyone with a bit of intellect. Where you know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: we live in a trauma based society that you know
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: when you see some city examples. But what used to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: be women's magazines and now it's the men's magazine. These
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: these are people who sat around a table to think,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: how can we damage our young women like the maximum possible?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: How can we sell them on this false image of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: what beauty is and destroy their self confidence and create
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: eating disorders and de dirted the media, I mean, they
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: don't don't put regular people in films into TV, do they, you.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Know, and you fill them with drugs, and the drugs
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: are the profitable area of it as well, with the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: side effect that you are damaging a nation and a
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: world and the amount of people I've got coming to
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: me who were put on antidepressants even as young children,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: at like ten or eleven or twelve, And that when
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you talk about the problems with sexuality now, and you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: are kids just deciding, Oh, I think I'll be gay,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: or I think I'll be by or I'm go be this.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I've got children coming to me saying I don't know
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: whether I like men or women because I have no
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: sexual desire at all. I have no sexual urges, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I've been on antidepressants since i was ten. So how
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: do they know if they're gay? If they don't fancy anyone,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and how do they And so we are creating an
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: asexual nature by filling them with antidepressants. And you go
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: from household to household and they're like, oh, yeah, my
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: children are on you know SSRIs, or my children are
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: on this or she was on it for ten years
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And it's absolute travesty of treatment of people
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: when there's nothing wrong with these people. Accept something that's
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: happened that needs to be resolved, but you are filling
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: them with drugs which are killing their liver. But the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: biggest one for me is killing the sex drive. You
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: kill the sex drive. You take so much pleasure out
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: of people's lives and you leave them completely confused if
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: they're twenty twenty one, twenty two.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Sarah, fascinating stuff. I'm just going to check we're recording here. Yes, okay,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So here's something that's come up. I think this will
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: be of interest to a lot of people out there,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: certainly for I don't know why we say men. I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: think because men out there will recognize the things that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So for a long time now, people have
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: said to me, Chris, you've got ad HD, and I've
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: always said, yeah, fuck off. You know, even if I did,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want a label. I just think
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like everyone. I think we're all unique. And I've
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: always said to these individuals, look, if I honestly thought
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I had ad i'd be the first to say, yeah, okay,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: yeah I probably have, But I personally don't think I have. However,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they are referring to what I would say,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: trauma based responses to triggers in life, and I thought
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: maybe if I if we could chat through that a bit,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it might help people out there that go, oh, I'm
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: like that Chris or so in no particular order, lots
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: of things. First of there's never enough time in the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: day for me, it's just gone. I can be doing
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: one thing, look out the corner of my I see
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: something else, and I'll completely drop a project and I'll
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: go over and just are randomly attending to something that's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: not important but just because I saw it, and my
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: mind's now telling me almost like a sort of OCD
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: kind of thing going on. I can be snappy with
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the people I love, but then I think maybe everyone can.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what else. I am that sort of person.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'll do a project and when it's ninety five percent done,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: then I sort of lose interest in the final you know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I'll spray the car, fix the engine, and I'll leave
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the wheels off sort of thing, and I'll do that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: another day. And I talk to myself a lot, or
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: actually can talk through conversations in my mind, and it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to other people. It's quite clear when I'm doing it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: They're like, who are you talking to I'm like, I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: was just running through something and what else. Obviously, there's
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the tendency to self medicate or whatever we're going to
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: we're gonna call that, which is must sound like I'm
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a right drum to everyone listening. Like I say, it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: an irregular binge thing with me, And I think people
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: would find it hard to believe because for the most part,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm up at three thirty four o'clock.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I'm out running. I want to come back to the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: running thing because I see it as a celebration of life, Sarah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I feel so utterly brilliant. But I totally get what
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: you're saying as well. And so yeah, and you know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I'm in the sauna. I never do as much meditation
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: as I should because I find I find it just
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: very difficult to actually put time to it. And then
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: when I do, my mind's going Chris should be at work, now,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: go on, go and do something. And I'm like, all right,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: all right, so sorry, I'm getting all a bit all
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: over the shop here. But yeah, these but I think.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: You're describing so many people feel the same, you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: So it's valuable what you're saying. Yeah, because it's very
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: people will be like, oh and that's me, oh me, I.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Should say it's I think these things affect extremely handsome men.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I would say they affect extremely intelligent people. I think
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the problem with ADHD I have a real I'm totally
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: off the wall where ADHD is concerned, but certain people
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: agree with me. I believe ADHD is a label. You
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: said it yourself. You don't want the label, thank God.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So I believe ADHD was created to sell drugs, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I know it was from a book called the Book
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: of Woe, which is a fantastic indictment or awful indictment
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of the psychiatric industry, where they created labels which would
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: allow them to give drugs to children which were not
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: allowed to be given to children, like lithium and things
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: like this. So I believe that it is a created
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: label which when people are given it, they grasp it,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: embrace it and think that, yeah, that's me, that's exactly
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that I've got ADHD, and then they're on drugs for life.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I do believe we're unique. I think that's a very
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: true insight. But in terms of ADHD, I have found
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: that the people who are the most distractable, who have
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: an ability to do one thing, then do another, then
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: go back to another thing, keep seven projects on the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: go at once. I don't see that personally in general
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: as a bad trait. I think it's a trait that
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in the end two of those projects are going to
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: actually happen, and they're going to be very successful because
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: that person's very driven. I would say that being driven
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: is an emotional response. It is a response to trauma
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: because many of us are driven because we didn't get
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the validation and the recognition in childhood, so we drive ourselves.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I'm very like you, and that you know. Even I'm
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: told meditate, do that, listen to your own hypnosis. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: haven't got time for that. There's too much to do
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: in life. We were both up at four o'clock this morning.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And the thing is that you can either see it
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: as a label and as an illness, or you can
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: see it as a trauma reaction, and then you can
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: use the methods that there are to solve why you
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: are the way you are. And all my clients who've
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: come into me and said well, I've got ADHD and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I just smile, and when they leave they're like, yeah,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I don't feel so driven anymore. I don't feel this
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: urge to succeed. I don't feel that I can be distracted.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I can actually concentrate on something for three hours now,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: not suddenly think oh squirrel, and I'm off and they say,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and all I've calmed, everything's calmed. I mean, I'm like
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: you if I take two minutes to just look up
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: to my bookcase or what I need to read that,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: and I'll read that rather than write the paper that
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be writing. And I think there's another
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: thing about PTSD, which is you don't know what normal is.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So if you've come through a very traumatic childhood where
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you've had to find many different ways of coping, and
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: you're pushing to be the best version of yourself, which
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: we all are all the time, regardless of what's happened
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to us, then you may think, oh, I'm very easily distracted.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: That means there's something wrong with me. Or you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I can't concentrate on something, or I didn't finish that
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: project because I got thirteen of them and I did
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: this and I did that, you will think there's something
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: wrong with you. Someone who doesn't didn't have a traumatic
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: childhood but still has your traits. So it's still driven
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: and determined and was pushed by parents in a nice way,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: helped to given everything they needed. We'll say, but I
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: do that too, but I don't have ADHD, so you
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: don't know what's normal. If you've come through a difficult time.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: It's like people say, oh, I've had the hypnosis and
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I don't have anxiety anymore. But you know, if a
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: car stops dead in front of me and I have
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: to slam on the break, you know, I feel fear.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, welcome to the club. We will feel that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: That's a normal fear. You know you're going to smash
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: into the car in front. It's given you fear to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: stop you. And they're like, oh, I thought that meant
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: coming back and all my anxiety was going to come
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: back behind it. I'm like, no, that's normal. So everything
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you described me just then is me. You just explained me,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and no doubt one hundred other people watching this are like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: have I got HDHD then, because that's me. Well, distraction
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: is an issue. Distraction is where you try to distract
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: yourself away from the past that does need dealing with
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: in people.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sorry, I'm just showing your YouTube channel. There
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you go, folks. I'll put a link below the video
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: YouTube dot com forward slash at catch PTSD. Sarah. Let
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: me just I'm just going to backtrack a bit here
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and say, you made a point of saying you left
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: journalism in twenty twenty. I kind of think I might
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: know why, but can you enlighten us?
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes back a little bit further. I think
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: having been with people like yourself, I was with the
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Marines with forty Commando and other regiments, when you go
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: back into journalism, it seems very facile, and you're very
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: aware that you work with limited information but make huge
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: assumptions based on your limited information. So it was very
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: difficult to go back into journalism, not having been to
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan with all of you, but I did. I went
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: back into conflict journalism, disaster journalism, tsunamis and earthquakes and things,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and they're pretty standard, factual, straightforward, but I didn't want
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: to go back into anything which was critical of what
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: people would Good people were trying to make big differences.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And also I'd learned a lot in Afghanistan about the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: state of the world, which you know, if I'd gone
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: on TV and said that, probably end up in prison.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: So I moved forward and I started a different career
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: by training in clinical hypnotherapy. But I was Asian correspondent
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: for Sky In during that time, so I was still
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: doing it. And then when twenty twenty hit, I know
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: from the people I've spoken to that an edict came
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: down from the government to report only what was deemed
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: acceptable by the government. I know it's called a scheduled
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: d I know that it was served on news editors
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in the UK. I also know because my ex husband
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: was running Bloomberg newsroom at the time in Hong Kong.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I also know what was said in that newsroom and
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: what was deemed acceptable on air and what wasn't. I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: also was talking to people in the virology world, the
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: epidemiology world, and they were saying the contrary to what
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: we were being told by the media at that time,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: and they were being barred from going on any mainstream media.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: And so there was almost like the independent media had
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the truth of what was going on because they were
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: talking to these seriously forty year experienced heads of epidemiology virology,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and these people were not seeing the light of day
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: on mainstream media. And I lost total faith in journalism
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: because in my day, if a politician came into you
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: office and said you will write this, you'd laugh at
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: him and throw him out. And also in my day,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: there were huge words, you know, a four on the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: wall saying you never give your opinion, you never do
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a commercial puff if you want to put a story on,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: you need the other side of the story. Always always
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: balance journalism. And this was I'd grown up with that.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: So suddenly we're looking at my former colleagues not doing
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: balanced reports, not putting the other side of the story,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and just like blindly repeating something that was fundamentally incorrect,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: or not even investigating the PCR or you know how
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: many cycles you need to use it for it to
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: not become valid anymore. And so I to step back,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and I thought, One, I'm not going to be a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: part of this. I don't do anything for money. You know,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: there's no way if someone's going to give me a
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: salary that's going to allow me to do that, you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: no way. And two, this is a travesty of the
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: fourth estate that the media should work for the people.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: The media should be asked the people's questions, and it
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: should protect the interests of the people. You know, Okay,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: we might go after a dirty politician and you might say, well,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you didn't need to do that. That's not acceptable. But
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: if he was doing something that was against the public interest,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: that should be revealed. Not if he's having an affair,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: who cares, But if he's doing something against public interest,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: that should be known. And so I was a very
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: principal journalist raised in the world of the nineteen eighties,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: journalism which was crusading, and I couldn't go back to it.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: And now I have no mainstream media in the house.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I can't watch any of it. I used to work
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: for CNN. Now i'd just start throwing things for CNN's
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: on And I don't believe anything they're saying, simply because
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: they're under the kush And I suppose maybe I needed,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: like you, you've awakened yeah to so much in the world. Well,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: god knows how many lies I spread from nineteen eighty
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: three onwards, because I'm terrified of how much I believed
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: in authority, and especially the fall of Eastern Europe, which
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I now understand was contrived, and the use of China
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: to destroy China so that we could use it as
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: an industrial base where we wouldn't have to worry about
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: pollution and environmental toxins and everything. I think that's backfired
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: on us somewhat, but the world is not what we
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: believed it was. And at the age of fifty nine
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: looking back, it's like you, there's two parts of my
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: life pre Afghanistan and post Afghanistan. And I'm not the
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: same person who went to Afghanistan.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Brilliant. Yes, double Edged Sword. Friends, elm if I talk
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: about the Shenanigans, you know, the medical stuff. You all
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, don't you. We've got we've
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: got to tread a bit carefully around this one. But
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: double Edged Sword because you know, I won't bothered about
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: lockdown because I just ignored it. Plus I work from home,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: so you know, if I want to go out running,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I'll go out running. If a police scarpools are, I
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: just run faster.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I went searching for the police to give them a
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: piece of my mind.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got all gended up, you know, listening to
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Dolores Carhill and all this sort of stuff. What to
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: say to the police, remind them that, you know, are
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you acting on all of that sort of stuff. But
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I say, double edged Four people in my family, I
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: say were maimed. I take that. You can say five
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: people now, I take that seriously. But then to the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: other side of the coin, by my dogged determination to
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: prove to myself this is nonsense. This, you know, this
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: is the gutless cowardice that society has become of everyone.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I walk in a supermarket and I say
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to the person that only take that fucking thing off
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: your face. They'd be like, yeah, I know, it's bullshit, Chris,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: but you just do it. Know you don't just do
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: it because you're a parent and you're just excuse my
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: French shitting on that beautiful child that you brought into
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this life and he's got this orwelly and dystopian future
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: because of your gutler's cowardice. So take it off and
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: they'll be like, yeah, now you put it like that.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And I saw people never wore you know, never went
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: along with the brainwashing ever again, and so many did.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we have to appreciate that
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: many in society don't want to stand up. I mean,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: what do they have to do? Seriously, I think take
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: your dog and cat away. I think that's the only
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: thing that will actually cause anyone to fight back. And
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I think they headed that way. But you know, many
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: people just want the easy life and they'll just do
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: what's easy. And I think people like yourself, people like myself,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: we were just seen as you know, what is wrong
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: with you? You know, listen to what you're being told
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: and accept it as read and just go along with it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: And I think critical thinkers can't do that because even
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: right from the beginning, you know, when perhaps we all
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: believed everything that we're being told. In the very beginning,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: you're standing there thinking, hang on a minute, you're asking
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: me to throw my virus ridden mask in this open
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: bin in the supermarket, and who's touched my tins of tomatoes?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Who's touched these things? And funnily enough, I had experience
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: of pandemics because in two thousand and eight to two
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: thousand and nine I worked for the British government for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: the Home Office, through an agency providing media simulation on
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: pandemic exercises throughout the UK. So we went to every
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: county council when they had to play act that there
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: was a pandemic, and then we had to play actors
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: reporters covering their pandemic and then see what they did.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: And when we hit twenty twenty, they didn't do anything
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: that we had practiced for two years with every county
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: council in the UK. So that put my spiny senses
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: up straight away. You're like, what are they doing? They're
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: actually spreading it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I can't bring myself to use that word because again
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: just got tried a bit carefully here, but the only
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: word in my mind is scam. And all worse than
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: what I was coming on too with a double edged
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: sword is on the one hand, you had all that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: nonsense people behaving despicably and you know, gut in to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: see military people being anyway.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: But you have to understand the military. You do understand
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: the military point of view, but you have to understand
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: how that happened. It's like if you are raised in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: an institution where you trust, and I take that as
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: a journalist. You know, I trusted what the government's told me,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: and when they gave me an edict and said this
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: is what's going on, I believed why not? They're the government,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's a bit like this. You know,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: for the military personnel, it's like you had to completely
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: change your point of view, and I think we have
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: to that that. You know, you asked them to turn
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: their head one hundred and eighty degrees and my friends too,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: and I you know, I have no animosity towards anyone
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: who went along with it and may have you know,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: potentially hurt themselves in the process, because you know, okay,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I had my turn of head in Afghanistan when I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: saw certain things, so these people had not had that. Now,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: all these people who laughed at me and mocked me
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: and when I was trying to push papers at them,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: but now they're like, why didn't I see it? And yeah,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: because you couldn't.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Everyone's on their journey, Sarah, aren't they this. I'm sorry
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: if I sounded like I was criticizing people, I didn't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: mean that. What my bugbear was with the people that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: knew that knew what was going on and went knowingly
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: went along with it because just journalists, it made get
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a bit easier at the expense of the next generation
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: of children. But now what I was going to say
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: is that the double a sword bit is off the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: back of it. I got to understand Fuci and what
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: he's all about, how he was linked to the AIDS
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: fearmongering campaign, what all that stuff actually is not what
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: you're being told it is. And when someone left a
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: comment on my Facebook very famous sas Trooper, that's the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: very well known SAS Trooper I should say, and said, oh,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: what are you a viriologist? And my reply was no,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: they studied for three years. I've studied for twenty and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I know an awful lot more than a very viriologist
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: on this.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I always find it very annoying with people are like
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: that when they say, you know, you're not a virologist,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: you're not an epidemiologist, and it's like, no. But I've
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: spoken to many and I've spoken to people who are
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: saying things that do not benefit their either their bank
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: balance or their reputation in the medical world. You know,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: they are throwing their career down the toilet.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: And it's just gross misunderstanding of what university is. University
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: is not true. University is indoctrination into in this case, disabling,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: creating a disabled, disenfranchised society that believe all this stuff.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: So very hope though, because I've just spent two years university,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: because I moved to Florida and went to university so
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I could stay, and you'd be surprised that the children
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: that they say are disengaged, you know, accepting blindly and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: all of this in my classes. Obviously, the minute they
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: say something wrong, I'm up straight away. You know that's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: not true. And I apologized to my class once and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm sorry. I'm the old, old lady at
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: the back who's just furious with this bad teaching. And
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: they said, oh, no, we know it's bad teaching, we
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: know it's crap. We're just here for the piece of paper.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: We can't be bothered to fighting. And then they go
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: back to the they're crypto trading or their bitcoin trading
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: at the back of the class and running their own
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel at the back of the class that's already
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: got one hundred thousand followers or whatever. And you realize
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: that they know, they know, I mean, Trump was only
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: elected in America because the young went for him, not
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: for the Democrats, and so they know what was done,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: they know what harm they suffered, and they know full well.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: And we were in a class where they were sitting
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: there saying, you must drink energy drinks. All students must
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: drink energy drinks. You have five six ten a day,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: give you great energy, give you great brain power. And
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: of course I was up like a shop and was like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: do never touch them, Never touch them, and then this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: woman said, well, you know, if they want to find out,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: they can look it up themselves, and all the kids
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: spoke as well and said, we know they're dangerous. So
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: she just spent twenty five minutes trying to convince them
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: because no doubt that class in college was sponsored by
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: an energy drink manufacturer, and every single kid was just laughing. Okay,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: let her go set off the monkey at the back,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: and then we can just agree with it, so we
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: don't lose faith in our youngsters that they have been
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: mortally damaged or that they're you know, they're being indoctrinated.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I think they're just quietly resisting.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: So, but they also think the idiots and that we
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: have nothing that we can teach them, so they're teaching themselves.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, let's hope. So that as well. Sarah, I was
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: going to ask you something, then I made a note
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: of it. Let me just check my notes. Yeah, so
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: interesting one. There is a lot of damaged people out there.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: That's physically or mentally or both.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking the mental damage that you know, because
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: of the nature of what I talk about on YouTube
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: and my guests, et cetera. Et cetera. You know, I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: have noticed that a lot of people that gravitate towards
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: my work are people they've been they've had a battle
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: in their life, know, and they realize something's not right.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: They look at the medical narrative and they're like, yeah, really,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and and what I wanted I just wanted to get
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: your opinion on. When I meet them in person, it's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: very often sort of Hi, Chris, and they get a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: bit sort of starry eyed, and I soon put them
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: straight on that nonsense. But it's almost like I get
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: this a script, rehearse, Hi Chris, love your channel. You
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: know I still drink though, and yeah, I do like
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: a spliff or two. And you know, I know I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: should eat the vegetables, but yeah, I sort of haven't
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: got round to that yet. And oh, you won't get
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: you won't get me exercise, and and I think, again,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: it's not meant to be disparaging at all, but I think, like,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: why the hell do you watch? Well? What what you know?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Because my big thing there is, Yeah, on the one hand,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: understand what's going on. Understand. There's a club I call
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: them the Dark Network. They run everything they have done
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: for since they learn to control the money supply. They're
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: controlling people through energy, vibration, frequency, keeping people in low
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: vibrational state, and mechanisms like capitalism, et cetera, et cetera, materialism,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and and you know, understand all that, understand what's going on,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: understand what the last four years was about. But then
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: you've got to play your role, and you've got to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: up the vibration, and you've got to up up up
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: the energy, and you've got to work on your game.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, I found that these certain behaviors. I'm
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: worried now, Sarah, you're going to tell me they're all
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: sort of maladaptive behaviors. But you know, I found that
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: if I get my referring to hermeticism, now, if I
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: get my hermetic ceiling and I do the things that
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: I know I need to do to keep the devil
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: out the playground, I'm a fire as one hell of
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: a human being and life takes on just a different
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: level for me. And I know in that moment, the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: energy I put out is better, it's kinder, it's more productive,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I'm a better person to be around, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: And let me pick up there. So I don't forget,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: but one thing that I would say there is reversing quickly.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: For a second, the toughest people in this world have PTSD,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: not the weakest, okay. So the very fact that you've
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: been through so many traumas and you actually survived and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: you're not gibbering wreck in the corner makes you the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: toughest person, okay. And that determined to do what you can,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: and that was recognized in World War One and World
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: War two. That and now, as you say, the military,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: especially recruits from the people who probably have the greatest
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: childhood trauma, and therefore already the cups are full before
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: they even get in the military, and then they experience
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: more trauma and more stress, and everything is physical and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: mental from your adrenal glands, you know, stopping producing testosterone
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: to try and keep up with the adrenaline you need.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: And without testosterone, men suffer greatly. So you have a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: system where you've now got these tough little fighters who
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: are determined to go forward in life, come what may.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: They're going to drag this bag of trauma behind them
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: as we all have done, and we're just going to succeed.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: So these are exceptional humans. People with PTSD are exceptional
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: humans and I meet them every day and I'm in awe,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: but they're still standing. But so they could carry on
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: for the rest of their life, fighting their way forward,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: being really good, having those days where you're on point
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: and you're great, and then like sinking down the snakes
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: and ladders of life for a bit, but getting back
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: up because that's what you've been taught to do. Or well,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: you can release the load that's holding you back from anger, guilt,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: any of it, shame, and that makes life a little
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: bit easier because you're not carrying that anymore. You've resolved
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: in your mind. So then you're this tough fighter that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: you are that so many people are, especially military personnel.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It's now got an easier journey to make things really
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: work because all that stuff, all those sudden real behaviors
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: that they don't really like, no longer happen. And then
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: using something like hypnotherapy or meditation or anything which you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: use to try to get your brain to quiet down,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: raises your vibration. So you said they're trying to keep
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: us in a low vibration. The foods that they're feeding
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: us are keeping us at a low vibration ADHD is
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: at least thirty percent food and environmental toxins. You know,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: they're spraying it in the skies. That's not even a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. It's all admitted, and governments are now going
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: after it. In twenty two states in the US just
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: banned chemtrail. So these things that didn't exist, that even
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't believe in, obviously didn't exist. So all those
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: ways that they're trying to keep our vibration low, our
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: understanding of spirituality, potentially an understanding of immortality. The way
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: they're trying to keep that low is what my little
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: PTSD fighters are trying to fight against. You know, how
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: do I fight against a low vibration. It's not about
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: not eating vegetables. It's about staying away from toxins. No
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: processed food at all. Don't touch sugar. You know it's drastic.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: But the minute you've shed this swag bag of trauma
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: completely and there's no unwanted symptoms that suddenly come over
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: you like a wash, like a cloud, and you don't
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: feel like you want to check out, then you're now
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: in a better position. So you, for instance, it seems
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: to me, you know you're like ninety percent of the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: way through resolving any trauma from the past, accepting it,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: seeing the benefits of it, which is what you would
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: hopefully do in like by about the fifth session of hypnosis.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: And then but there might be one niggle, one thing
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: that still happens, that happens and you kind of can't
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: stop it. You know, I've still got the chocolate addiction,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: so there's still something that needs to be resolved. So
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: and then imagine if that wasn't there. Imagine if it
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: was finished and everything was resolved and you had total
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: understanding of yourself. I've even gone into a pass life
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: in hypnosis myself, and it was the pass life that
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: showed me why I am the way I am. I'll
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: blame my mother, but it wasn't my mother. It was
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: what happened in tenth century in Ireland. Now could be
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: complete balls and I just made it up in my head,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: but it made sense. So now get me. So now
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I'm on a level having woken up in a different
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: paradigm like you after fourth sessions of hypnosis. Now I'm like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: oh my god, this is easy. I'm not dragging anything anymore.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: I don't touch any processed food, not because I suddenly
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: don't want the oreos. I do, but I know if
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: I eat that processed food, my vibration goes right down,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm struggling. If I eat any sugar, you know,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: you might as well put a concrete jacket round me.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm wearing a concrete jacket. So it's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: so much easier to stay on the right path. And
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: then when something happens and people are rude to you,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: or they're injustice happens in front of you, or you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: witness something awful, it's so much easier to just be
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: an observer and think, well, I can't fix that, so
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I'll just be over here, you know, creating as much
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: positivity as possible by helping as many people as possible.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: So it's not like don't. It's not a case of well,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I'm fixed and I'm fine, look and I can achieve
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: this and I'm managing, you know, I'm going forward. I'm
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: off the heroin, I'm off the cocaine or all these things.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: It's a case of imagine if you didn't have the past,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: and you've said it out loud, you said I want
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: to forget the past, and yes, you can forget the past,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: but only when you understand what it did in you.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: And once you've understood it, the past is indeed irrelevant
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: because you've under stood every tiny piece of it. And
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: some of my guys do go to past lives so much,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: so often and so provable that even me, as a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: very diligent journalist, who would have questioned that is like, okay,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: that's a bit odd, but that is actually provable. And
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: so you have to believe that we are potentially immortal
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: and that we are living a life where we have
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: given I think this life is a video game. It's
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: like you come in, you get level one, you get
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: ten barrels of hell knocked out of you, and level one,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: you make it to level two, bit more savvy, a
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: bit more sure of knowing what to do, then they
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: dump another load on you. Most of us are at
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: about level seven and you're just fighting to get to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: level ten so you can put the handset down. And
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: I think that any way we can get there that
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: makes life easier is a great help. I don't want
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: to go round and round and around in CBT while
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: talking about my troubles, because that just keeps them present.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: As you said, you know, being present is being able
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: to live a life you're not bothered by the past,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: and you're not lusting for the future. And I give
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: you a very quick example of something that when I
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: was trying to work out, you know what, excuse the language,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: what the fuck does mean being in the present mean?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: You know, when people would say, oh, you just need
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: to be in the present, Like, what what do you mean?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: And then someone explained it in the book that I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: think it was in The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: and he said, imagine that you're walking down the street
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: and you've got a heart encrusted with trauma. So all
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: these little wrapped up pieces of foil are stuffed inside
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: your heart, which makes your heart not work very well
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and maybe gives you all sorts of symptoms. And it's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: all these things of upset you. And you walk down
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the road and you see a car the same color
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: as your ex girlfriend's car, and you think, cow I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: hated her, she was horrible to me. She made my
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: life a misery. And he said, imagine it like the
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: energy that's coming off that car, and it's going into
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: your heart and it's pinballing around all these little encrusted
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: silver foil packets. It can't go through because it stuck,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: and it's just like ruining the process of your heart.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: It's got pinballing all around your body, causing all sorts
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: of symptoms because you were unable to look at that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: car and instead of thinking cow, what if you just thought, ah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: we had a nice time, didn't we? That was a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: really nice six months. So shame it ended. But you
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: know I found someone better now, or I've moved on
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: or understood myself. And he said, the minute you can
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: look at something really sad that happened and think, like
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: you really I learned from it. I understand that that
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: little encrusted parcel is jettisoned, and that lovely positive energy
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: goes through you and out the back of you, and
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you are now present because you're only thinking of the present.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And I thought, what a brilliant explanation. And how many
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: trusted parcels do we start with? You know? And so
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: if you can look back at something that happened when
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: you were in the military that was awful and think
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: that was awful. But I did learn five or six
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: things from that, and obviously I was meant to experience
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: it because otherwise I wouldn't be who I am. Now
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: that's when the concrusted parcels are being released.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, so this is kind of what I was getting
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: at is, you know, we have the power to create
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: our own future. So in my life I have no negatives.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: I occasionally have a negative because I'm a human being,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: and you know, I lose my hermetic seal and stress
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: gets in and then I start to react to that,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, but generally speaking, this is what I say.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: It serves me no purpose to look at my history,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: whether it's childhood, military or whatever, with any negativity. I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. Right.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: You're further along the ladder than many others, Yes, but
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: also I can't do that because the body won't let them.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the same. And the thing I was
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: getting at with the kind of let's just call them
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: the YouTube crowd is there's a lot of you know,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are investing in their time in
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: all this conspiracies. And but I don't mean that negatively.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, all right, the truth. And it's like, guys,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: your life is ticking by, there's other stuff and you'll
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: find like I did when I was in for example,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: when you roll the Atlantic, I promise you you're not
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: thinking about Building seven or Fauci or Survival or the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: seventeen movement or what what elon might? They're not there,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: You're you are present, you know you are present. And
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: even wandering around Barbados with my family was just, oh
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: my god, I just want to move here, get off
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: YouTube completely and just have this lovely present thing that
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: we had. And I'm sort of trying to get to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: a point, but I'm not kind of sure the point
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to you, So what how can
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: we encourage people to maybe not just spend so much
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: time indulging in the fear porn? Is what I'm trying
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Someone told me a few things, actually, someone who came
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: out of hypnosis, which really resonated with me. That I'm
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: a news junkie. Yeah, I'm the one there at three
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: am scrolling through Twitter just so I don't miss anything.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I stay up all night for news stories, even though
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not a journalist anymore. So I'm a news junkie
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: and I'll sup it all in. And someone said to
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: me the other day, Look, the problem is you're not
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: only your own personal vibration. He got this from someone
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: in hypnosis. He said, you're not only your own personal vibration.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: We are all a whole vibration on this planet. And
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: if we succumb to the fear mongering and we listen
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: to everything and we feel fear, because that might affect
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: our children, might affect us, Aul, might affect some poor
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: guy in Palestine or whatever. If we allow ourselves to
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: go down that hill for that morning that we're so
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: distraught about what happening in the Gaza and where I've
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: spent a lot of time, then we are lowering the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: vibration of ourselves. And when we lower the vibration of ourselves,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: we affect all those people around us, just like we
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: were talking about the energy field. So this guy said
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: to me, and I thought it was a message to me,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: but it was to him as well, which was, don't
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: focus on it. You can't affect, you can't do anything
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: about it. Just focus on being as positive as you
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: can in your own little circle. And then if everybody
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: around us is trying to be as positive if possible,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: that is the Viva Vendetta moment. The more people that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: just ignore what's going on in the world and I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: used to think, you can't ignore it, You've got to
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: fight it. And then I thought to myself, no, actually,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: you can't fight it without either being killed or ending
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: up in prison where you are totally useless to mankind.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: So and your dogs. So you're like, Okay, let's stay
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: on a level up here. Let's observe it and what's happening.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: And obviously you need to know the train wrecker is coming,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: especially if it's coming up your driveway, but let's stay
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: up here. Let's not worry every day what Trump might do,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: what Starmer might do, you know, what Peutin might do,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: what Zelenski's up to. Just step back, and so I did,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: which is completely anathema to me to step back from
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: any of it. But I step back, and I don't
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: pay so much attention to it. And when Trump does
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: something that is like completely incomprehensible, I think maybe he's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: got mission, maybe he's doing something specific. Just don't get
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: involved until the nuclear bomb actually goes off. But then
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: we go to somewhere else that's probably a lot nicer,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: and it's helped. And this guy was also like you,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: very very upset with what was going on in the world,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: and I really invested in it. And I said, right,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: you try it, and I'll try it and we'll see
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: if we achieve it. And he did as well. He said,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: you're right, you can step and look. And I wrote
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: a book for someone recently called the six light Mile Journey.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: And this guy's a medium, the Romany medium, and he
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: said that we have two paths through life. One is
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the trauma strewn, ego driven life that we can follow,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: where there's trauma from different people and upset and hurt
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: and all this, and then there's a six light mile journey,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: which is a smooth, non ego led path that runs alongside.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: And he said, whenever your life is going down the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: path of the madness, step onto the other path and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: just sit on the other path and just watch the madness.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: And one of my clients the other day who had
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: add an awful life in hypnosis, she was told, you
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: can stay over there in it if you want, or
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: you can just step out and watch from the other path.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, Okay, they're all saying the same thing.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: They're all saying step out. So what if all of
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: us who are so angry and so upset and so
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: mad at other people for not understanding it, and there
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: were this what if we all just step onto the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: other path, and almost a kind of we're just going
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: to ignore the politicians. We're going to ignore everything that's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: being said by certain members of society. You're allied to
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: certain new associations, and we're just going to sit over
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: here and you can have your war if you like.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: We'll get a nice new planet later. And so I think,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that helps some people, but it
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: helped me to just step off and sometimes just wait,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: because the things that we think are the worst thing
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: in the world, if we wait, something fixes them, and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: just sit and wait. And it's very hard to say
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: that to a PTSD sufferer. Really, it can only be
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: said amongst the community that are already halfway there. Because
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: a PTSD sufferer is not being allowed to step onto
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: that path. They are being mired in trauma and reactions
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: to trauma for a reason because the body wants them
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: to understand it. And they're only on level four of
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: the video game, so it's different parts. But you are
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: closer to level ten, which is supposedly the highest vibration
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: in the universe, because you've gone through those stages.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can simplify it for a bit
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: for people out there might be getting a bit. Last
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: is love, isn't it? Loves the highest form of vibration.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: That's what I found. I don't bear malice to p
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: believe in those you know that may have sought to
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: do me, do me wrong. I wasn't always like that.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: There was a time I would have hunted you down
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: and found you.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Worries. Amazing that many people feel like that and they
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: actually have the ability to do something about it.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: But no, seriously, the lack of love. Yeah, and as
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: much as you know, as much as there's there's just
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: this evil entity in the world. And I don't hate them.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I just I see it for what it is, and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to be dealt with in some
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, And I'd like to think that that dealing
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: with it would just people. It would be great if
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: people would stop engaging with it, stop engaging with the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: mainstream media, stop engaging engaging with the medical narratives, and
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: start to put their energy into more, you know, more
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: fruitful endeavors.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: But if we all not paid any attention to the
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: politicians during twenty twenty, if we'd all just said nah,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: you're a right and walked away. The world w be
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: a very different place, but unfortunately they are using tools
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: that mean that people are being hurt that you can't
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: just say no. But I think love. You know, it's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: a cliche, isn't it, that love is everything? You know,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: love is all around. But I haven't yet found a
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: PTSD victim that wasn't starved of love. And the need
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: is what drives all the symptoms. And I think that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: when you're a driven person, you are seeking validation, not
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: necessarily from people around you to say you're wonderful or whatever,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: but deep down inside there's a hole where there is
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: no love in it. And that when you have love,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: like you have the family you have you know around you,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: that hole gets filled, maybe temporarily, but it gets filled.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: And I do believe that our mission the end of
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: the video game is a total understanding of love and
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: being able to love people anyway, even if they hurt you.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: And I think the higher your vibration that you can
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: raise with meditation and not eating foods which are out
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: to hurt you, is where you reach love. And I remember,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I've got a difficult member in my family, and I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: remember like kind of closing my eyes and saying to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: the people upstairs, you know, what what do I do
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: with this person? I don't know how to react to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: this person, and what do I do? In this voice
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: said you know, love them anyway. I was like, no,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want to love them anyway. And they were like,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: well that's the answer and the charm offensive get in there,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: and actually it is the answer. I haven't won yet
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: got to a level where that person's there, but maybe
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: they're only on level three.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, it helps when you get to a place in
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: life to love. I mean when you're when you understand
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: that all the everything talking about the spiritual eye in
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: the eye now that there is only one thing of
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: which we are, you and I, the universe experience itself
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: subjectively were then what's to hate about that? You know,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: you'd be It's when we get maya down in the
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: three D identity, isn't it and the ego you know,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: ego politics and dir it and we lose it and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: then the next thing you know, you know, you're getting
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: road rage and all this kind of really all these
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: trauma reactions coming out of you, and so I really
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: do you know, we are spirit. We are the the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: energy of which there is only one energy in this system,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: and we are all all it.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: So I think when you should have people, I've had
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: people come to me. I had a marine, a US
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: marine come to me who was like, you know, tattooed
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: up to here, so for someone like me as well,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: all and all these tattoos and everything. And he came
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: in and he said, yeah, I'm flashbacks. I'm getting flashbacks.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: I'm getting so much. It's so many issues, and I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: can't live my life, you know, I hate everyone, blah
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: blah blah. So I said, well, do you want to
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: try some hypnotis And he said, no, it's all bollocks.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that, you know. And I said, well,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: you've come this far, so why don't you try it?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: So I took him into hypnosis. He said, I haven't
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: relaxed in twenty years. How's that going to work? And
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, let's see. And I took him into
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: hypnosis and he did, indeed look like he'd fallen asleep,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: so it looked like it was working. And I talked
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: about a whole load of stuff in hypnosis, just trying
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: to guide him towards what was wrong. And he came
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: back and he said, I met God. And I said
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: did you? And he said yeah. And I said are
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: you religious? You know, do you follow a religion? And
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: he's like, no, not at all. I'm an atheist. And
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, Well what did God say? And he said, well,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: he showed me three doors and he said, you can
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: pick any one of these doors. But whichever door you pick,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: behind that door will be the same challenges. So whether
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: you picked, you know, to leave your wife or stay
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: with your wife, or to take that job or not
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: take that job, or to you know, commit suicide, or
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: whatever you choose in life, when you go behind it,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: there will be the same challenges behind there, just of
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: a different nature. And I said, wow, you know and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: he said that's it, isn't it. What do you mean?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: He said, Well, I've beaten myself up for the choices
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I made in life. I've beaten myself up for ruining
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: my marriage and walking away. I've beaten myself up for
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: a choice I made where three of my soldiers died.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I said, all of these things, He said, they were
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: meant to happen because they were lined up behind the
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: door and I said yeah, and I kind of kind
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: of came over all goosebumpy myself. And then I rang
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: in the next day and said, you know, how are you?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: You know, when would you like to have another session?
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: He said, I don't need another session. I'm done. I said,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: what in one session? You're done after twenty years you know,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: flashbacks and panic attacks, And he said, yeah, it makes sense,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't it. It didn't matter what I did. It didn't
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: matter if those guys died or didn't. It didn't matter
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: if I left my wife or didn't. It's the game
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: of life. And he said, and I just have to
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: navigate it the best way I can. But there are
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: no wrong answers. And I thought, okay, so you can
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: get that in hypnotherapy. That's pretty amazing. And another guy
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: who was also a USB came and he said, I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: could hear you talking. I had no idea what you're
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: talking about. Didn't understand what you were saying. He said,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: But I was on this string of fairy lights, and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: as I was going down the fairy lights, every light
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: was something awful that had happened to me in life,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: he said, And I could see it. I could see
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: it encapsulated in the fairy light, and he said, I
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: went down all the way to the bottom and there
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: was a plug and that was the first time. That
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: was the first time somebody let me down and there
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: was an injustice and he said, I pulled the plug
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: and all the lights went out. And I said, oh,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: that's nice, you know, and I'm thinking I didn't say
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: any of that, and he's like, yeah, it's lovely. Never
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: needed another session, he said, I did it. I pulled
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: the plug out. I don't need you, thanks very much,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: and that was it. And he now eight years on,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: he's the happiest guy. He's met a new woman, he's
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: got two new kids. And you were just like, wow, do.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: You think it's I find it quite interesting a number
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: of people that I meet that you immediately know that
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: they're experiencing trauma from what they tell you about the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: way they live their life or what's been going on.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, to just clarify, this isn't how
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: I meet people, folks. I'm not going to meet you
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: and going oh, I'm not trying to like psyche psyche
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: people out or anything. But I'm just saying, you know,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: people will come, people will come to me for life
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: coaching and I say, right, so come on, then, what
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: what what are your challenges? And I've got any credit?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: All right, what's been going on? You're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: it's all right, No, not a lot.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Why are you here?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And I have to say, look, I'm just going
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: to ask you because sometimes people book me because they
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: just want to chat with Chris and I do all
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: the psychoanalytical bit and then realize that no, they just
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: literally just come for a chat. And I'm like, do
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: you want me to help you or anything and support you?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: But no.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: It's amazing the kind of when someone will come to you,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the wife's left them, the strange from the kids,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: they're on the dodgy wicket at work, if they've even
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: got work, or hopefully there might be more work on,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: and all these kind of signs and and and then
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: then you're like, so about your you know, your childhood
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, child was great, and you're like, no,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: it fucking wasn't. I yeah, And they'll be like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: dad was in the army. I'm like, well, there you go.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Didn't see him for you know, didn't see him for
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: eleven months eleven months of the year. But my childhood
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: was great.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: And do you think that just say, you know, my
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: dad was lovely. I loved him so much. He was wonderful,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, he was kind? Was he well, no, no,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: he wasn't kind. He was a bit emotionally unavailable, and
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: he wasn't he wasn't you know, he didn't get involved
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: with me, but you know he was there. He was
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: a dad. And I'd say, if you did something wrong,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, would he sit down with you and explain?
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: And he'd say no, punched him in the face, and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: that was his way of this. But yeah, it's a man,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: isn't it as normal? Like no, not for a three
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: year old, that's not normal at all.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's just it was interested to say, if you'd
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: come across this, this this phenomenon.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, every The thing with me is I see PTSD
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: as lego, So I see the blocks, and I can
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: see the blocks building. So by the time you've got
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: a house, you've got complex PTSD. But in my view,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: when people come in, they start talking and they talk
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: about all the awful things that are happening in their life,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: and they talk about what's happened in their life. I
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: very quickly go to childhood, and many people don't like that,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: and they say, well, you know, I don't want to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: talk about my childhood. You know, why should we talk
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: about my childhood. It's not relevant, it's not interesting. And
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: I don't push it. Obviously, I don't push clients to
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: talk about anything they don't want to talk about. But
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: I know that when they go into hypnosis that what
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: they will be taken to will be a very young person.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: And then they will come back and they'll say, oh
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: my god, I saw myself in a highchair and this
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: was happening, and this was happening. And they're like, so
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: it is relative, it is relevant what I experienced. And
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: I say to them, when you were not one two,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: you had no defenses. You couldn't pack your little bag
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: at five and storm off down the street. You had
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: absolutely no way of protecting yourself when people came at
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: you and you're just lying there. You could not protect
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: yourself at all. But you had adult emotions. And I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: know you had adult emotions because when you go back
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: in hypnosis, you have adult emotions that you explain, and
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: so does everyone. So why would anyone think it wasn't
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: age not to three, that was going to have the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: biggest impact on you if you were in a traumatic situation.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: You know, ten years old as a kid being bullied
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: in school is awful. But you can either throw a
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: sicky and not go to school, or you can go
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: to your grannies and explain what's happening, or you can
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: fight back because you're almost the same size. But at
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: six months, what can you do? Nothing? And so like
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: you that is esbedded there.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: This is when so you're not probably won't come as
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: any surprise to you. I hope it goes out saying
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I don't do politics, I don't do TV news, I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: don't don't do TV other than you know, I like
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: to watch documentaries or films or stuff. But so when
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: people and I know a lot of people that think
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: they're awake and then in the next breath they tell
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: you how brilliant Trump is and how elon is there
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: He's just going to save the PLA And.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: I just more hope here than there right now.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the clarifier there is when do they ever even cursorrely?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Even if that's the word cover any of the topics
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: we've talked about in this podcast, which are fundamental to
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: the human experience. When do they ever talk about trauma, energy,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: vibration frequency, When do they talk about universal energy or
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: God call it? What you what? What you like in
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: any capacity outside of a you know, a sort of
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: religious one.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: And yeah, even in school, when was that taught in school?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Any of it? You know, we we had to find
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: it on our own. But why is this not in
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: the curriculum at five?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I saw Elon with his shirt off the other day.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: There was some picture going around Twitter. I don't know
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: if you saw it. He had a pair of that's
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: what he was with some someone of dubious character. We
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: could say, you know when anyway it does, it doesn't
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. But soon was there in a pair
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: of shorts. And he's got a very strange body. And
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not this is not a you know what we
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: look like thing. Friends, We've all got strange bodies, were
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: all unique. I didn't I didn't mean that. What I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: meant is he looks really, really unhealthy.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: He's aware he's unhealthy as well. Yeah, he's got my
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: chocoholic addiction where he's Kennedy's sorting them out one by
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: one he's slowly changing diets.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just was thinking that this guy isn't
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: very spiritual. He's not, you know.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: I think he's on the journey too. I mean, obviously
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Kennedy is closer to it than anybody else.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: He said that Carl Young turned him around. I didn't
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: realize he was a heroin addict from the age of
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: fourteen to twenty eight, and then at the age of
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: twenty eight he picked up a Carl Young book which
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: was which was explaining the nature of the universe, and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: that was it. He never had any heroin from that
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: moment onwards. So I think he's an ideal plant within
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: that government. But I do think that you know, you
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: say you don't want to talk politics, and I always
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: said I was a political.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to talk it. I don't know
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: any you know, I don't watch Taly, so people.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: No. I think the biggest problem is with politics now
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: is that we have captured politics. We had captured interests,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: and so those captured interests are running certain countries. And
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: the biggest problem that we have is I think people
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: didn't choose Trump because they thought he was the great
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: I am. Everybody was looked at him skeptically, you know,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: side eye, like, you know, what is he actually going
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: to do? And I think certain things that have happened
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: in the past four months have made those people who
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: are already skeptical wondering if it was a circus act
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: or whether people being driven towards something that they then
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: couldn't say they didn't want. But then there are things
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: that are being done that are, you know, potentially towards
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Nasarah Gasara, things like this and the dismantling of the
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: tax system and dismantling of property taxes which were capturing people.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: They were like destroying people's lives and the medical costs,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: especially in America, And so what we're looking at now,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: I think this is the moment to step back. It's
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: the moment to look at Elon. I think the guy's
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: a genius. He's certainly like you sitting there the other
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: day balancing spoons and everyone's like, look at him, he's
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: a moron, and you think, no, he's building a space station.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: You know, there's something in his head that is not
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: like us. But at the same time, he's still eating
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: processed foods and eating the wrong foods, and he's captured
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: by certain nations, and so I.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Think, think, see, I don't see it like that.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Well I'm in the States, I suppose.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: And I just see a guy that genuinely like, I
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: don't know what the deal is here, like if this
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: is some sort of scam that's been paid, but he
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: genuinely thinks going to Mars is like a priority.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he knows something we don't. Maybe we all
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: need a ticket. I think he's a very intelligent, interesting person.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I think he has faults like one of us, and
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: I think that he may be not acting in the
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: best interests of us all, but he maybe And I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: think he's like a young man who is just fascinated
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: by space and everything to space. But I live on
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: the space coast, so I see those rockets go up,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: you know, every night, almost which makes me worried. We're
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: at war in space and don't know about it. But
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: they go up endlessly, and I've seen the progression very far.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Don't think, oh yeah, oh they go to the space station.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: But that's another thing. If you don't watch TV, and
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: if you're not aware of what's going on, people's the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: other day like, oh, his rocket blew up over a Lucra.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: You know that was stupid. He can't do it. The
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: rocket was supposed to blow up. This is the this
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: is the star liner. It's going to go to Mars.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: It can't go to Mars now, it will never make
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: it hasn't got enough fuel. So they're test flights. But
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: people don't know that, so they think, oh, he's you know,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: he blew up a weapon, a rocket. He'd blown up
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: very few rockets unintentionally in the past two or three
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: years now, and these rockets are going up, and they're
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: getting sleeker and slimmer and less polluting and more powerful.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: And he himself says, it's not me, I'm under determination.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: He's the Chris in this organization. You know, no one's
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: going to sleep till we achieve it. But that he
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: is using these hive minds of these incredibly intelligent people
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: to streamline everything. I mean, he not only can return
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: a booster to a ship just off shore so that
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: you haven't got all that pollution in the seawater. But
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: do you believe I've watched it come down personally? No?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I'm asking because I'm interested to know
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: that there was a video. It was about five or
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: six years ago now when his what's the name of
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: his earliest rocket had something heavy, wasn't it? Or oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Falcon heavy.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Now still Falcon heavy, but it's a bit lighter.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: What had happened is that the rocket had gone up
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: and the boosters were coming back to Earth and they
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: had cameras on them, right, yeah, And this was a
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: video on YouTube, and some very astute observer that had
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: a dog in this fire obviously had analyzed these videos
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and he said, guys, it's the same video. The booster
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: on the left is the same video of the booster
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: on the right coming down. They've just slowed it by
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: three seconds, so it's three seconds out of sync to
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: look like they're different videos coming down. Now bear with
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: me here. Yeah, when he brought that video out on
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: YouTube and you were like, oh, yes, he's it's it's
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: the same camera. They want they're trying to make you
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: think this is two boosters coming down. It's not. It's Well, anyway,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: overnight they changed the video and the guy went back
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: on to say, hey, red flag here, no one can
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: change your video on YouTube. You just can't do it.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: You can edit bits out of a video that you've
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: uploaded using the you know, using the YouTube studio, you
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: can't swap bits out. And overnight this video had been
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: swapped out, and it had kept all its hits and
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: all its likes and comments DIR but that segment they'd
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: edited and it now showed the two you know, two
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: completely different landscapes, one one where this one landed and
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: one where the other one landed. That's why I'm it.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Is possible that it's like a fake it to make
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: it moment where they wanted to say they could do it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: But I have stood at Jetty Park opposite Cape Canaver,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: which about an hour from me, and you watch them
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: come in, and you watch them come down and land
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: on the ships.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah okay.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: And then also when the when the the big star
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: liner rockets too big to move around, we don't have
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: any sort of vehicle that could move it, so it
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: has to be caught by those chopsticks on the outside
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: of the of the mast. And you might think, well,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: that's not true. Is it looks like thunderbirds as it
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: comes in anyway, because it's such high definition, that's not true.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: So when I watched it, when I watched it come in,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: and I must admit there were a lot of doubters
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: in that audience, in that crowd who were like, you know, really,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: you can really do that. And it came in, it
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: came in. You think it's going to miss it. It's
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: going to miss it from where you're standing and you're
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: literally just across from the pad. There's a stretch of
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: water between you and you're right by Pad forty. And
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: it came in and it just caught it, and then
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: it was able to hold it because they could never
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: have got it back up there again. And then they
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: do what they need to do to it while it's
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: stuck on there so it can be reused and go
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: up again. So I think there might be people who
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: pick up on it, and maybe that was a false
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: thing where they wanted to say they could already do it,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: and they couldn't if it was five six years ago.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: But maybe they want to get funding from NASA, so
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: they'll say, oh, you know, yes we can do it,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: look look at our video, and then some guy in
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Tunbridge Wells pick them up on it. I mean potentially,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: but I do know from what I watch in person
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: here that you see it come down, You see them
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: come down quite clearly, and you see them come off
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: the rocket, even if you're just at home by the pool.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: And then as it comes in, it kicks or start
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: an engine, so the burners start again, and you see
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: the two of them coming down if you're not up
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: at Canaveral, and then you see them land even from
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: where I am in our south. So something's up there
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: and something's coming down, and it comes once the burner
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: kicks in, it comes down on a very slow trajectory.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Before that, it's just falling from the rocket, and then
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: it's about I know, I don't know how far it
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: is above the ground, but at some point the burner
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: kicks up again and then it comes down very slowly
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: and lands very slowly. So I think that's also the problem.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: It highlights to me the problem of not staying across everything.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, this is a bigger challenge. I've got
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: to stay across everything at the same time as being
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: disengaged and observer, because you need to have those guys
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: picking up those things. And I'm not political. I've never
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: voted in my entire life. I felt journalist should never vote,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't have a dog in the fight ever, and
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: so I've remained with a foot in each camp. But
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: I was very worried where we were headed before November.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: I've got a twenty nine year old son, you know,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: who could be activated in three countries. He can be
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: drafted in France, America and the UK, and I'm that
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: worries me. And so I was very, very worried, and
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: having been a lifelong lefty liberal Democrat my entire life,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: suddenly this party was no longer liberal, lefty Democrat. And
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: really I'm a centrist. I guess I'm sit on both
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: sides of the fence. So I think that what we
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: have might be better, but equally we might all be
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: blown to smithereens next week. But I've kind of come
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: to terms with that. I'm accepted if that happens, and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: I've had a really good life to never mind. Yeah,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: i don't have a nine year old.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: It's probably we could chat rages on this topic. Aloner.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would say Trump's been
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: the best president ever for Israel.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: It's a low bar, and I think even for that,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: I think the Israel thing worries a lot of people,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of people his core base. They're very worried. Yes,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of hope that they're misinterpreting and
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: and so, But don't think that the other people weren't
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: also very good for them. So it's is it just
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: a UNI party? You know? And I think that the
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: more we can just detach from it, and you know,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: if they are going to blow us to smotherings, well
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: it was going to happen anyway. Don't worry about it,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: you know, enjoy today. But I think that the more
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: we can detach from it and focus on ourselves and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: focus on dealing with our own issues and everything that's
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: in our household, the more that we can make life
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: better for ourselves. I think we make life better if
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: we are all part of a universe, then we need
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: to do the best we can in our lives to
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: clear the difficulties. I've read something once where it said
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: you can't ascend if you're carrying anger, guilt, pain, lust.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Now I remember thinking, lost, God, we have lust? Are
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: you're going to take it? Is? But I want that one?
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: And it was like no, because these are three D
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: feelings and sensations, and you can't go into a four
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: D or a five D state if you're carrying this
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: this huge swag bag of low vibration feelings. So I think, well,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: let's you know who knows if the High the Lovely
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Book isn't the Eckart tolds the New Earth and Dolaura's
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Cannon has got a book on the three Waves of
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Volunteers and the New Earth, and they say that it's
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: only the people who've managed to see through the hallucination
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: really the hologram, and have raised themselves to a level
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: where they are loving, generous, compassionate, giving, accepting, and they're
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: the people who go to the New Earth. So whether
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: it's a load of bollocks or not, I don't care.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give myself the best chance. I don't
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: want to be in the seven years of Tribulation unless
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: we're already there and they forgot me. So but there's
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: another there's another option in seven years time. So I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: think what you do the life coaching, the helping, the
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: putting yourself forward as an example of where you can
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: get to, and what I do, where I basically knock
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: you out with a baseball bat, lay you down, knock
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: you out with a baseball bat, talk at you to
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: your board, and fall asleep. And then hopefully raise you
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: up a few vibrations. It can't harm.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, friends at home, you know where to get
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: hold of Sarah because I've been flashing the website up
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: on the screen. And also they'll be details below.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: And I also explained that catch PTSD is a whole
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: group of us, not just me, because obviously there's only
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: so many hours in the day. But I've trained now
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: at least five hundred hypnotherapists in this method that will
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: stolen from World War two from Jack Watkins, and all
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: these hypnotherapists are worldwide and also work on lines. You
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: can pick any of them. There's ex soldiers in their
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: ex police, ex doctors or doctors. I think they're still doctors,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: and they're all using this exact same method. So a
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: lot of the problems with people with PTSD is they
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: go to a therapist and it's Russian roulette. It's pot
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: luck whether you get someone who understands you, isn't it.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: And all the guys in my book that they people
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: can have for free there download for free. You know,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: it was pot luck for them who they got as
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: a therapist. So I'm trying to take the pot luck
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: out of it. So if you go to if you'd like,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: you think, well, she's a bit odd. I don't want
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: to go to some bohemian hippie, but I'd like to
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: go to an ex soldier who would understand the vernacular
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: and the acronyms. You can go on there, you can
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: look up the ex military. There's seven or eight of
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: them in there, and you can contact them and you'll
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: get the same, exact same treatment as I would give you,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: exactly the same. And some men might think I don't
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: want to go to a woman. I want to go
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: to a man. And Gareth Evans is a tank commander.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: He's on there. There's other guys on there, and so
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: if you can pick and choose who you want, knowing
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: you're going to get the same treatment. And that is
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: why we made catch PTSD. And you can see where
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: everyone is. Most of them give free consultations, most of
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: them have their own videos and their own publications you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: can read for free. And so really, if you are,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: you know whether they're at your stage, Chris, where you
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: just might need just another little bit to find out
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: that final piece of a puzzle, or whether you're sitting
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: there today thinking I can't even go into the kitchen
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: and get a bowl of cereal. There is help there
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: that people can help you, and we're building that out
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: every day. There's one hundred people on there. I train
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: five hundred. There's only one hundred on there. There's a
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: reason for that because they're the best. Wow, And so
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: we want to make sure that it's as easy as
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: better help in the States. But sure sure that someone
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: understands everything about your PTSD.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Complete change your topic. Here the elephant video on your Twitter?
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: What's the murder one?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: No? That the elephant that dies in the zoo and
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: his partner can't wake him up, wake her up?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Very sad, isn't it?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Ah? God, that not me for six that one. I
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: must be getting old and silly or something.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: But I'm an animal lover, as you can tell folks.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: I won't play the video I'm but I'll just show
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: you where it is on Sarah's Twitter and you can
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: go and have a look. It's something really moving around. Really,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: don't watch now if it's not a good day for
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: you or this is not probably what you want to see.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to just show it now. It was
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: the two elephants and they look like they're in the
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: zoo partners for twenty five years. Jenny and Magda were
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: performing partners in Russia for twenty five years when Jenny
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: died this week. Magda refused to let veterinarians near her
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: for several hours as she hugged the elephant. So they
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: were friends, were they? Yeah? Oh I thought that there
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: was a boy and a girl. But I'm guessing that.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Isn't that just the epitome of love?
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Oh? It was very they see it just as sorry, folks,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: I just should explain you see, you see mad dad
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: just nudging her and she can't. She can't understand why
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: she won't get up. It was just I don't know
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: something about it. Just just hit home a bit that one.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: The other one as well. I like that there's some
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: There was someone talking about God got She said, I
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: got news for you. God is inside you. I thought,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: isn't it funny how we all we all come to
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: the same conclusions. You know, if you look for the answers,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: it was this girl here, folks, it's quite.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: Wherever you come from.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just play a wee bit of it.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: Hang on critical turning point in humanity and if you
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: are ready to evolve and you want to know the truth,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: I'm about to give it to you. If you are
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: a Christian or a religious I asked you take a
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: few deep breasts before you listen to this, and you
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: can scroll up if you don't want to hear what
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: I say, because it is very controversial, but I feel
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: like it has to come out. I have been trying
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: to make video since four o'clock yesterday morning. My eyes hurt,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: my head hurts bad. I gotta get just finish this.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: Religion is a beautiful thing. It can be a beautiful thing.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: I am not coming down on religion itself. I'm coming
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: down on the people that tell you to live in fear,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: because fear is what they feed off of. And when
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: I say they, what I mean is there are beings
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: on this planet that do not possess a soul. If
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: you are a human, you possess a soul. You possess
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: you possess God, the energy, the source of life. It
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: is already there.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: You are right. So I've been rude to my guest,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: but yes, yeah, I found that interesting.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: Can can I just say when you said it's the
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: elephant video, I thought you meant it was a video
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: that I posted on my podcast and on LinkedIn where
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: I accused the British military of murdering everyone who committed
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: suicide because of PTSD, and I got enormous kickback from it.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: But there was a young marine who died just before Christmas,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: I think, and he was so young and he took
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: his own life, and it makes me so mad that
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: they knew how to treat this. And when I first
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: started in hypnotherapy, I gathered together forty to sixty hypnotherapists
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: who were ex police or ex military, had had PTSD,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: had been cured by clinical hypnotherapy, and then had become
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: clinical hypnotherapists. And they were from all walks of the military.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: And I gathered these together, and I had access to
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: the Vice Chief of Defense Staff General Sir Gordon Messenger,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: because he sent me to Afghanistan, so I was able
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: to get into his office and I said to these
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: all these hypnotherapists, look, we're going to go on mass together.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: And none of them charged more than about like sixty
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: to eighty pounds a session. It wasn't hundreds of thousands
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: of pounds. So you could cure any person suffering from
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: PTSD for five hundred dollars five hundred pounds, and so
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: I said that we're going to go together and we're
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: going to show them that there is a method to
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: do this, and there's enough of you to do this.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: I don't have to take me this kind of fake
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: military person. They can take you guys, and we will
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: we will fix this. And I did that book that
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: people can read as a study for a general. So
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: Gordon Messenger and I took them forward and I said,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: these guys are ready ready to do this. But DMS
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: had just been changed into it been put under the NHS,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: and there is a gate guard. There was a gate
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: guard at the NHS who would not even read my
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: book until I told him I was going to bring
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: it to his office and take the pages out and
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: plaster them over his walls unless he read them. This
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: guy got an obe later, and he got on Newyear's Day.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: He got a stream of abuse from me. But they
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: would not even consider it. And even though it had
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: been used in World War One, even though it been
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: used in World War Two. So when every person commits
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: suicide who's been in the military, to me, it's murder.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: To me, it's someone who was left to die and
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: to ruin their family at the same time as being
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: left to die. And so I was very angry and
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: I did a post and I put it up and
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: then I thought, oh, you're going to get a lot
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: of stick for that. But I didn't get any stick,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: and I just got an awful lot of people who
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: just came to me and said, you're right. It is murder.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: It's they are allowing young men, old men, women to die,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: but just in the pursuit of profit. So the well,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: I'm curious at politics. I'm more famous at that.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the rural Marines. Major General Matt
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Holmes took his own life. I mean, there is a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: strange thing here, Sarah that there really isn't like an
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: I think elephant in the room ironically is does kind
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: of sum it up. I mean, you know, when you're
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember the terminology, but I believe commandant
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: was his position when your commandant. I think he got
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: booted out of that position because he was I think
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: he I might be wrong here, but what I've been
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: told was he was kind of aware that we're being
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: sold out to Europe. Basically that you know, we would
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: know it as a new world order. I guess he
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: would have just seen the erosion of kind of independence
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: of forces, like the Marines being sold out to Brussels
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: and this kind of stuff.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: And isn't the problem that PTSDs are moral injury and
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: the military personnel are so moral? I mean, I know
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: there's a few bad eggs and there have always been,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: but in general they are so moral and they have
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: to watch these political shenanigans and agree with them. And
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: I've treated so many generals, two star generals, three star generals.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: I've treated many many lieutenant colonels and major generals who
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: are broken from Northern Ireland. No one talks about Northern Ireland,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: but of course that's when they were most vulnerable. They
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: were used as sniper bait. They were like seeing awful
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: experiences that were happening in Northern Ireland. Let alone the
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: poor guys who went on to become a patchy pilot
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: and were being forced to do bombing runs in Iraq
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: over civilian areas. And you know, you are taking a
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: very honorable person who wants to fight for his country,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: wants to protect his country, and then you're like, right,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: do that? Yes, I know it's morally wrong, but you
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: know do that. I used to be involved in military
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: training right up until twenty twenty and after Afghanistan, coming
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: back as a simulated media operator. I was supposed to
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: get hold of you while you're bombing a fake village
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: and then say you just killed everybody in the mosque?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? You know that was
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: your decision. You went in your people just fired a
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: javelin into that nursery school. And I stopped in the
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: middle of an interview once. This was in twenty nineteen
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: in Wainwright in Canada, and the guy's like, you're right.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: You stopped mid sentence and I was like, I'm not
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: doing this anymore. He's like, why I said, I'm giving
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: you PTSD in training. You may have to do this
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: one day and you are going to have to live
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: with the moral injury of having done that. I had
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: a guy yesterday who was involved in a blue on
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: blue and he had fired at his own troops, and
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: you know this will happen. I'm damned if I'm going
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: to do it to you in training. I just pray
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: it never happens to you. It actually in theater, and
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: I think that is the whole crux of PTSD in
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: the military. Yes, civilians get PTSD two. It's always a
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: moral injury. But you're setting these people up to have
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: to live with things that they can't live with, they
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: can't accept. And when you've got the whole upper echelons
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: of the British military walking around with PTSD from their
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: very first you know, theater and contacts, you have a
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: major problem. And when you go into the upper echelons
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: of the military and you sit with them, which I
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: can do because they weren't the upper echelons in twenty
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: ten when I was sent I was their mentor. When
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: you go in, they are scared, they're scared of what
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: they're feeling, what they're suffering. Many of them are taking
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: substances because they can't cope, and every decision they're making
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: at that level is potentially sacrificing younger soldiers. So a
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: massive moral dilemma and PTSD is the result of it.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, complex, isn't it, Because as I said right at
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: the beginning, I mean, we've had Major Andy Shore on
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: the show, who was a very nice chap former Rall
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: Marine and in the Falklands. He was telling me he
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: had to return to his base after this fighting patrol
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: in which he saw a section patrolling along, perceived it
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: was the enemy, they went to ground. He gave his
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: lads the order to fire, and it turned out to
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: be another section of marines. And the moment, I mean,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: the moment of realization that must have gone up, well,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: it's no, it's our own. And by that time, you know,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: I think at least one of the chaps was killed.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: I think also I met that chap son. I've met
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of people through this podcast. Apologies but the apologies,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: I can't remember all the names.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: But when you've I think I'd never realized how the
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: taking of even one life, just one human life, is
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: enough to completely derail a human And in the book
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: there's a one scot soldier and he says that he
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: was made to run a pit of fighters and he
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: was made to kill this guy and he remembers he
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: was young and the officer stayed back behind the bridge.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: He was told to run across the bridge and take
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: out this machine gun nest and he took it out
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: and then he said, but that makes me an executioner,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: And I said, well not really. You know, they were
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: a threat to the base, and you had to eliminate
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: the threat to the base. You know, I kind of
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: went back into military vernacular. And he looked at me
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: and said, don't give me that shit. I'm an executioner,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: I'm a murderer. And he was eighteen. And you think
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: he's right, isn't he? Because we're not made to take
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: each other's lives, you know, we're not morally we we
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: can't do that. And so even though he had to
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: do it, even to save his own life, a few
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: of had to take lives to save their own lives.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: But then they're like, well, why should I live? You know,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: why should I grow have children and why should they
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: grow up? And this guy didn't get to live and
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: didn't get to have children and grow up. And I
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: think that's the problem of war. You know, you don't
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: know this other person. You don't know what put them there.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: We were dropping bombs out of hot air balloons on
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: guys who were laying IEDs under the roads in Afghanistan,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: but we knew full well that the family of that
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: guy was probably tied up somewhere in a compound somewhere,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: and he had been forced to go and do that
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: because you know, the Taliban, if they exist, had forced
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: him to go and lay that ied, and so he
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: got killed. And even people who'd protected prisoners, like the
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: guys who'd gone to talk slight and been il and
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: have been taken across to the hospital. And then I
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: had an RF guy who was put on one of
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: those guys, and then spent five days listening to this
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: guy explain his life and how awful it was and
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: what had happened and everything. And then they came and
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: took him away and he never saw him again. And
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: he said, I should have jumped in front and not
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: let the RNPs take him away. I should have. I
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: should have said no, and I should have I should
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: have protected him. You know, he was a human who'd
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: been through hell and okay, he was Afghan, but I
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: should have protected him. Why did I let them take him?
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you couldn't have stopped them. It was
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: not possible. But that guy is suffering from what happened
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: to someone who you would be our enemy. I think
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: it's when we realized there aren't. They're not our enemy,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: They're just another human.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think fortunately people are coming to realize that,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: and also that vast majority of these conflicts. Conflicts are
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: all instigated by the you know, the same dark network.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: And I get a lot of youngsters. You know, I'm
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: quite responsible for quite a lot of people joining the Marines.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: And I don't believe that's not that's not something to
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: be proud of. It's just the way it is. But
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: I've said to each and every one of them, you know,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: if you want to join the Marines, yeah, I like,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: I get it. You know, I know what it did
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: in my life when I was homeless and living in
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: my car.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: There's something special about that camaraderie. As a civilian who
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: was suddenly put into it, and who would have said, like,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: if my son said he wanted to join the military,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: I'll break his arms and then to be there myself.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: And you're a special people, unbelievably special humans. And I
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: think a lot of the people who go into the
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: Marines they need that, they need the guidance, they need
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: a real family and people you can rely on fun,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: you know, laughing while you've got mortars coming down on
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: top of you. You know, you're a special type of people.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: So I changed my whole opinion when I went to Afghanistan,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: with you guys, or even just in training and just
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: realized that there is a there is a brotherhood, as
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: you call it, a brotherhood here that many people in
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: this world would not actually have survived if they hadn't
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: gone into that brotherhood. And it didn't need to be
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: the Marines could be one Scott's Mercy's Rifle, whoever. And
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: so I think that it's part of their journey and
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: who you brought in was attracted to it in the
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: first place. Yes, And you know that from the number
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: of of ocs who have to go to court for
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: the three months before you deploy, pulling out all their
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: people who've been involved in fights and everything insane. You know,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: don't put them in prison, We'll take them to Afghanistan.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: And the judge might have thought, well, that's a good
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: punishment and not realized it wasn't a punishment. It was
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: what that person needed, you know, stop fighting, grow up.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: See things from different points of view.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: There's also needs to be acknowledge of Sarah. There's a
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: lot of traumatizing done to you in training in the
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: Marines or in your unit. I know from people that
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: life coach that they're almost at a pointment where their
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: life is well, I mean, their life is in absolute care.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: So've had their partner come to me and say, you've
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: got to help my husband. He's you know, Chris, he
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: had this bad time in the Marines. He didn't get
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: you know, people didn't like him, or they bullied him
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: or what.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: And I had many patients who have come to me
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: with PTSD from basic training and they laugh at themselves
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: when they come and they say, you know, oh my god,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: I've got PTSD, but I never saw theater. I got
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: it in basic training. Can you still help me?
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: Like you know?
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Of course? And it's if you think about it in
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: terms of that traumatized child. So imagine you grew up
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: in a household where you weren't really rated, no one
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: really gave you much love. You've probably got beaten if
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: you did something wrong or whatever, and been through some traumas.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: You've joined the military. And I'll tell you a funny
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: story about this in a minute, But you join the
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: military and then you get treated exactly the same way,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: even if you're not beasted, bullied or whatever. Just the
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: very process of basic training to break you down, as
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: it were, to build you up. And I've talked to this.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: To various trainers in the military about this, I've said,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you are just adding more layers of trauma
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: on top of already traumatized people. And yes, some of
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: them will come through and come out the other side
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: as fighters, but they'll bring that extra trauma through with them.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: I had a marine who was water boarded in basic training,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: and this is completely broken and he couldn't go through,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: and he couldn't go forward to be a marine, which
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: was his lifelong dream, because he just got broken by
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: this guy. And in hypnotherapy he did things to that
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: guy that he didn't believe he was absolutely capable of
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: because the anger in him was so high. But then
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: I've had another lady who went into the military after
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: being sexually abused as a child and then being horribly
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: physically abused all the way up to eighteen, and she
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: went into the military, and two years later she fell
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: out of a Bedford truck and she broke her back
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: and so she couldn't stay in. She came out and
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: she had pain for twenty years. And so when she
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: came to me, she had this awful pain and we
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: went into hypnosis and we said, you know, why has
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: she got this pain, you know, anything should heal after
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: twenty years and she had other anxiety and worries and issues,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: and the part came forward to her, appearing like in
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: a dream in hypnosis and said to her, I can't
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: believe you put us in the military. We didn't want
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: to go in the military. We'd had a horrible life
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: up to eighteen, and then you insisted on going in
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: the military. So I pushed you out of that Bedford
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: truck so that you would be hurt and couldn't stay
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: in the military. And she came back and I said,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: do you believe that? Do you believe that part of
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: you made you fall out of the truck? And she said, well,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: the weirdest thing is, she said, when I fell, I
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: felt like someone pushed me. And when I was on
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: the floor, I'm like, you know, which of the bastard's
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: push me out of this truck? You know, look, I'm
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: really hurt. And he said, she said, everyone on the
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: truck's like, we didn't push you. Don't be daught. You know,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: why would we push you off a Bedford truck? It's
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: so high. But the ego part said enough, we're not
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: staying in the military. We're getting out. So imagine what
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: you're taking into basic training. There's a little clutch of people,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: most of them probably don't want to be there. And
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: so when you see someone failing in basic training, as
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: I said to the infantry score in Katrick, I said
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: to him, to the commander of the infantry school, and Katrick,
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: let me in there. Give everyone hypnotherapy. Don't stigmatize it.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: Say that as part of basic training. To help you
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: with pain, to help you with sleep, to help you
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: with everything. You're going to do hypnotherapy and says, have
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: got clinical hypnotherapists on staff. So it's like, let me
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: in there, and we'll clear the coffee cup of trauma
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: before you take them forward and put them in theater
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: and give them more stuff in the coffee cup. And
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't let me do it. But interestingly, the commander
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: of it LC or whatever it's called, he's now using
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: clinical hypnotherapy in the corporate world.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if cleansing people of
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: their past trauma is what the military would want. Hair
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's the.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: Get it now. They get it now. Because this guy
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: who was with me in Afghanistan as a lieutenant colonel
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: and then took over the school. He said to me,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: I've got people self harming in the barracks. What do
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: I do? And I said, you don't give people resilience
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: by ladeling it on their head. You take away what's
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: already weighing them down, so there's space for more. And
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: I thought he didn't listen to me, and I said
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: to him, look seriously, Sandhurst, give me them all, you know.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: And they looked like I was touting for business, but
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: it wasn't as a passion in me. I'll do it
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: for free. Let me ento Sandhurst, you know. And I
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: tried to get in there, but they were like, eh,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: but it's you if you've got people police recruits. I
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: work for the police federations in the UK. They've got
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: people self harming, They've got people who've been sexually abused
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: as children and they're assigning them to domestic abuse units
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: without any thought about what's happened to them in the past.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: And so just as we've the awakening of everything is happening,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I pray that they will be to understand
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: that they won't block it. The Surgeon General, who was
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: retiring in twenty ten, who then went over to King's College, London,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: was totally invested in what I was doing. He said,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: it's amazing, and he said, I can't believe what you're achieving.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: And then he walked into King's College, London and they
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: shut him down. And he wanted to make it available
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: to every officer in the military that at some point
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: is probably going to be responsible for someone's life. And
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: he was totally dedicated to it. He said, I'm going
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: to do this. I'm going to go over there and
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to set up a program where officers can
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: have access to clinical hypnotherapy. And then he'd been there
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: two weeks and he's like, I can't talk to you anymore,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: like really, So the more people understand that it works,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: the more they realize it's got a basis in history,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: the more they realize it was used. They were using
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: it in the Civil Wars so they could take people's
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  Speaker 2: legs off without any pain. I was trained. My training
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  Speaker 2: is to work in a hospital so that you can
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  Speaker 2: have your appendix out while you're in hypnosis. The only
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  Speaker 2: reason I'm not doing that is I didn't have the
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  Speaker 2: confidence in myself to be the person sitting next to
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: that person, supposedly keeping them in hypnosis while they cut
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: them open with a knife. That they offer it certainly
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: in Canadian hospitals. So it really your brain has unlimited power.
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  Speaker 2: As you said, you create your own reality, You manifest
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  Speaker 2: your own reality. So why would hypnosis not work?
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  Speaker 1: On that note, I shall say, there's been a fascinating chant.
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  Speaker 2: And I just add one thing before we stop about cocaine,
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  Speaker 2: virtual heroin that.
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  Speaker 1: We got We never got to that, did we, Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I think people might find useful.
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  Speaker 1: I can I just say one thing before you do.
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  Speaker 1: Friends out there, if you've been affected by what we've
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: been talking about, you know you've got Sarah, Well, you've
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: got to reach out and get get support. It's that simple.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone can talk to me for free. They don't have
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: to engage in treatment. So if they want someone to
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: understand what we've been talking about, they want to talk
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: about it more, just tell them bring me up. It's
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning. I'll chat whenever.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Virtual I don't know if we if we keep
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: saying that word, we're probably going to get in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: You see in virtual h.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, virtual c and virtual h folks, we're referring to
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  Speaker 1: the yes, the stuff that people end up addicted to
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: help you.
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  Speaker 2: So I just I'll say it quickly because I know
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  Speaker 2: we're out of time, but I just want people to
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: know that if they're using any form of substance or
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: any form of alcohol to try to keep symptoms under control,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: what they're what they're doing is coping mechanisms. It doesn't
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: matter whether you're tapping yourself on the forehead or taking
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: c it's the same thing. And therefore, what I've found
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  Speaker 2: I found that in LA in the rehab clinics, the
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: very expensive rehab clinics, they were using hypnotherapy to recreate
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: the feeling of having had the drug so that people
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: could go off the drug very quickly without the pain
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: and the withdrawal and all this. And that interested me
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: because I'm thinking, well, how does that work? How can
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: you not have withdrawal by doing that? So basically you
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: can use hypnotherapy. You take someone into a deep truant,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: you ask them before they go in, how do you
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: get this stuff or goes through your head? How do
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  Speaker 2: you achieve it? Who do you call? What do you
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: do when you get it? Because I'm really a naive
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: on all those issues and I'm not now. And I
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: learned how they use it, what they do, and I
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: then when they go into hypnosis, I tell the body
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: to imagine the whole process in an intricate detail, right
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: down to putting your shoes on to go out the
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: front door to meet someone, and I take them through
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: the whole process of getting it, using it, and what
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: it feels like afterwards. And so when I'd read that
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: they were doing this, I thought, I'm going to have
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: a go. And I had a guy who was on
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: heroin at the time. His dad had been a gangland murderer,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: he'd been taken on hits, and he'd been an alcoholic
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: since he was twelve, and then he'd moved up to heroin,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: and I said, look, you know, if you want to
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: have a go, should we see if it works? Like yeah,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: So I said all right, So we went into hypo
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: therapy and we did it, and when he came out,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh my god, that works. It feels exactly
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: the same. And I said, okay, I'll make it into
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: a recording and then you can use it instead of
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: using hero h you can use it and then you
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: still have to we still need to go through the
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: sessions of hypnosis because otherwise what's inside you will override
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: this what you're feeling. But you can use it until
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: so he said, okay, took it home and he used
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: to sit in the toilet before the kids got up
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: in the morning at using because he couldn't face the
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: school around and he was too scared to go on
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: the scool and he couldn't handle anything. He said, I
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: put the headphones on and I watched Tellytubbies. He said,
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: I can tell you, Tellytubbies why I take in H
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: is a completely different experience. I said, okay, And he said,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: I'm using it four times a day. I haven't touched
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: any H in two weeks. He said. I have no
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: withdrawal at all. I have nothing. And he said, this
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: is a completely different experience. And he said, and in
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: one of them, when I was in hypnosis and I
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: was experiencing it, he said, he said, I suddenly got
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: this vision of an eleven year old me sitting there
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: taking the H from me, he said, and I realized
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: it's not me that wants the H. It's this eleven
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: year old that is so broken and so depressed that
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: I'm feeding him, and by seeing that and understanding that,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: he came right the way through, and with six sessions
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: of hypnosis, he came out the other end with everything
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: resolved and he didn't even need the recordings. And then
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: I had another guy who was on forty eight grams
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: of C a week and was really struggling, and so
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: I said, like, should we try it for sea as well?
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, gone, and we did it and
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: he came. He went from forty eight to nothing in
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: a week. But he said, I'm still seeing the guy
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: who gives it to me. And I said, well why,
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: He said, well, what if it stops working and then
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: I'll have lost the guy who serves me, So I've
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: got to do it. So he said, I'm putting it
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: all in the toilet system. And then after when we
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: finished hypnosis, he took it all and handed it in
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: at the police station and explain what he'd done and said,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm done. I'm finished, and they were like whoa, okay.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: And then I had another young man who was using
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: and was quite desperate, and he said that the virtual
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: see as it were, is better than the real thing
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: because normally when you take it apparently the first hit
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: is great and then subsequent hits aren't as good as
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: the first hit. And he said with this, every time
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: I listen, it's like the first hit. So the reason
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  Speaker 2: I don't offer it for marijuana or alcohol is because
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: I actually think marijuana's but positive thing because it takes
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: you to the same status hypnosis unguided, but it takes
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: you into a level of trance that is very similar
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: to hypnosis. And to be honest, a lot of my
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: sas guys who come to me, they actually take cannabis
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: before they come, or they'll say, can I smoke while
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: I'm here, and I'm like, yeah, go ahead, and they
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: get a better experience in hypnosis because they're doubling up.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: And alcohol. I don't worry about alcohol because even and
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: if someone is drinking really, really heavily, it's not illegal,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: and over six weeks, their need for that is just
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: going to vanish. And if anyone doubts that, just get
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: that free book and listen to the tank commander in
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: there who was drinking for twenty years and suddenly isn't
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: and is now socially drinking. And so alcohol is not
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: a problem. Alcohol is a symptom of a problem, so
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: you can carry on drinking alcohol. I don't ask anyone
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: to be dry before they come to me, Absolutely not.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: You're coming to me because you need it. So never,
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: I don't ask anyone to get over their anger before
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: they come to me. I mean, how stupid is that.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'll take this out on combat stress right now.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: But you know, do not ever tell anybody they can't
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: come for treatment because they're angry. They need the treatment
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: because they're angry. So I get a lot of people
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: from combat stress who like they wouldn't let me in
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: because I was angry. Look too bloody right, I'd be
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: angry on your behalf. And so you don't need it
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: for marijuana, which also is I think maybe is slightly illegal,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: but not really not here. But just for those things
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: that are going to get you put in prison or
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: going to take all your family funds or you know,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: cause you massive issues, there's a way to not lose
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: it until you don't need it.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: Well, Oh and one more thing, very quickly, testosterone. If
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: you think you've got PTSD, go and get a testosterone
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: test if you're a man, because soldiers, military people are
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: critically short of testosterone because the adrenal glands create adrenaline
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: and quartizole and testosterone. So if you're demanding off your
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: body every time you go to work excess levels of adrenaline,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: it stops producing testosterone. And the symptoms of low testosterone
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: are exactly the same as the symptoms of PTSD. So
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: always have a testosterone test because you can raise your
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: testosterone with foods. Don't go for the patches are dangerous,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: but foods. And if they tell you your testosterone level
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: is two fifty in the UK and it's normal, yes,
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: it's normal for a ninety year old man. If you're
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: forty five, it's not normal. So an eighteen year old
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: should be at three thousand, and a ninety year old
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: man should be at two fifty. So depending on your age,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: work out yourself whether it's normal, not whether the NHS
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: says it's normal, and then use to suster in boosting
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: foods and a rigiduction of stress to raise your testoster
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: in and your symptoms.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: Major Spanish, Sarah, stay on the line so I can
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: thank you properly when I push the record button off.
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  Speaker 1: What a lovely chat. Thank you ever so much. I
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: think we've covered quite a few a few bases by
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: burst things. Well, No, it's nice, isn't it? Because you think,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: during all that medical stuff, what I think the biggest thing,
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: I think frustration for people other than the criminality of
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: it all and the sheer dangers of putting that stuff
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: near your body. The next thing was like not being
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: able to talk to family and friends about it. And
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: what we've demonstrated in this chat is that, no, folks,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: when you you know, when you get on this i'll
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: call it the enlightenment kit, you people will gravitate to
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: you and you can have wonderful conversations. And also, I'm
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: just going to chuck this in there. You know, you
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: don't look to people for your sustenance. You look higher up,
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: you see? Do you get what I mean? So during
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: during the COVID didn't really make an awful you know,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: other than the sheer disappointment of it all and the
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: illegality and the frustrations I think we all had. But
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: did I care that very few, you know, everyone was
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: out there going along with it. Not really, It's get
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: your power from a higher source, I think, is what
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. So, yes, great conversation, Sarah thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I was rabbid during COVID because I still had my
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: level of PTSD, and so it was only in twenty
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: twenty one, the end of twenty one that I did
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: this therapy on myself and woke up in a different paradigm.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: But I was rabbit. I was out on the streets.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: I was furious with the police. I was furious with everyone.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: I was furious at being stuck inside, furious of people
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: believing it. My Facebook will show how rabid I was.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, like you, I call that shouting into the mirror.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeh.
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• 2:24:26
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• 2:24:29
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• 2:24:33
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• 2:24:37
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