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Amy Silverberg Disobeys Bridger · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

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  Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself
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  Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,
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  Speaker 1: your own presences presence enough. And I already had too
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  Speaker 1: much stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no. Gift temperature Wineger. We're here
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  Speaker 3: in the studio, very early recording. I think maybe the
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  Speaker 3: earliest recording of this podcast ever ten thirty Well it's
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  Speaker 3: ten forty three, but that's seventeen minutes before our usual
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  Speaker 3: early type of recording. So I'm in a mood. I'm
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  Speaker 3: in a real mood. What's going on? Let's see, last
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  Speaker 3: night I saw the new Frankenstein movie, and as you
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  Speaker 3: might assume, the monster does go down a water slide,
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  Speaker 3: you get to see the Frankenstein's monster go down a
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  Speaker 3: water slide. I think we need to land on a
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  Speaker 3: name for Frankenstein's Monster. I don't know there's enough, it's
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  Speaker 3: enough with all the confusion. What else? I guess we're
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  Speaker 3: kind of in the holidays now, so I hope you're
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  Speaker 3: enjoying yourself. If you're the sort of person who enjoys themselves.
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  Speaker 3: What else. I mean, speaking of big events, I spent
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  Speaker 3: a good deal of the weekend dry heaving. I unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: our poor little Bonnie got sick, and I assume a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people, you know, there's a chance you may
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  Speaker 3: be eating right now, but there's only a few things
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  Speaker 3: a sick dog can do. And she went all out
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  Speaker 3: at three am. The level of dry heaving I was
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  Speaker 3: doing was Olympic level. I dry heaved myself into another century.
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  Speaker 3: But that's all in the past, and hopefully we'll leave
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  Speaker 3: it in the past. And I think that's let's see,
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  Speaker 3: document wise, Do I have any business, Let's see. No,
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  Speaker 3: we have the Patreon. Just a reminder that there's the Patreon,
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  Speaker 3: which you go to patreon dot com slash I said,
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  Speaker 3: no gifts. I mean, just it's an ocean of content
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  Speaker 3: over there. I've become a real producer of content. Bonus
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  Speaker 3: episodes of the show, episodes of me recapping a variety
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  Speaker 3: of reality televisions, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Secret
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  Speaker 3: lives of Mormon wives. I do a little, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I glance at Dancing with the Stars in order to
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  Speaker 3: keep up with Whitney Levitt. But by the time this
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  Speaker 3: comes out, that's probably over And I just have to say,
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  Speaker 3: Whitney Levitt, Lever or hater what a dancer. The woman
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  Speaker 3: can move. She's a star. They need to just put
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  Speaker 3: her on that show. I had never seen the show before,
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  Speaker 3: but I assume she's the best dancer they've ever had.
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  Speaker 3: But go to patreon dot com slash I said no
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  Speaker 3: gifts today. We just released the episode with my mom.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she's speaking of stars. Debbie Wineger can move.
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  Speaker 3: As a podcast guest, she's really got it. Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: think we've covered all of the business I've I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm you know, I've sleep deprivation and coffee and ten
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  Speaker 3: thirty record puts me in a new place. But I
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  Speaker 3: think we should get into it. I love today's guest.
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  Speaker 3: She's just fantastic. It's Amy Silverberg. Amy, welcome to I
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  Speaker 3: said no gifts.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm so sorry about the heaving.
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  Speaker 3: Oh when was the last time you were dry heaving?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had bad chicken. Oh no, on a barbecue
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  Speaker 2: chicken pizza. Oh, I was heaving. I was eaving all right.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, it's that's kind of a hard for them to
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  Speaker 3: get the raw chicken on the pizza.
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  Speaker 2: What was tough to. It was a pizza party and
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  Speaker 2: I was the only one to have ventured into that
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  Speaker 2: particular pizza. So he was texting everybody the next day.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a girl's birthday. It was like all
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  Speaker 2: girl pizza party, right, And I was like, is anyone driving?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say driving. I was like, is anyone losing it?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: And Everyone's like no, no, like which, And then I
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  Speaker 2: thought to myself, I'm the only one who experimented with
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  Speaker 2: the barbecue chicken.
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  Speaker 3: The chicken on a barbecue chicken pizza should be cooked
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  Speaker 3: before the pizza, then with the pizza.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe it had sat out for
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  Speaker 2: too long, but I haven't had barbecue chicken pizza since then.
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  Speaker 2: I might never.
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  Speaker 3: Again before that experience. How did you feel about barbecue chicken?
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  Speaker 3: Leave it? I can leave.
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  Speaker 2: It's really kind of weird that I went for it
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  Speaker 2: that day, because I feel like people are either they
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  Speaker 2: absolutely hate or love a barbecue chicken pizza.
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  Speaker 3: It's very divisive.
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  Speaker 2: One other thing I didn't lead with is it was
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  Speaker 2: my pizza party.
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  Speaker 3: You said it was.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why, my pizza party birthday with all girls.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, so you ordered the girls and the girl was me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why I to separate myself.
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  Speaker 3: I thought maybe that was the day you became a woman.
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  Speaker 2: That's the day I became a woman.
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  Speaker 3: You left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you ordered that pizza
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  Speaker 3: for your for the party.
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  Speaker 2: A friend did it, like ordered all the different pizza,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I think that's why I sort of tried
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  Speaker 2: to separate myself. It wasn't my pizza ordering. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want anybody in the audience who wants to invite me
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  Speaker 2: to a pizza party. I want them to know they
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  Speaker 2: can trust me.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to give it away.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to do anything weird.
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  Speaker 3: Can you say where the pizza came from? We can
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  Speaker 3: beep it out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I know Culver City. A friend
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  Speaker 2: ordered it. She said it was a good pizza. It
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  Speaker 2: was also expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, wow, I'd like to put that place.
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  Speaker 2: I'm putting all of Culver City on notice, the whole.
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  Speaker 3: City until we narrow it down to this pizza parlor.
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  Speaker 3: The whole city is should beware poison Central take pizza.
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  Speaker 3: That's a long way to travel a pizza from Culver
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  Speaker 3: City to wherever.
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  Speaker 2: We did it in Culver City.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you did it?
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  Speaker 2: You know a friend lives in Clover City. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a big enough apartment. Let's have the pizza party
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  Speaker 2: in Clover City. I feel that already I've established myself
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  Speaker 2: as an unreliable narrator, and the whole crowd.
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  Speaker 3: Is like, what what can we trust for this one?
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  Speaker 2: Ten thirty is early to get to Burbank's.
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  Speaker 3: Ten thirty is a hard time to have a conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody at home is like, fuck you, guys, I'm up
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  Speaker 2: at work at eight am.
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  Speaker 3: Well, even if I'm up at six am. From six
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  Speaker 3: until eleven am, I'm not someone that should be approached.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing between six and eight am?
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  Speaker 3: Disassociating, regretting my life, thinking, oh, I can't believe I
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  Speaker 3: woke up at all, bickering with my boyfriend or telling
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  Speaker 3: him to be quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Are you a person who tries to like stay off
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  Speaker 2: their phone in the morning?
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  Speaker 3: A little bit? This is my morning. I wake up,
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  Speaker 3: turn off the alarm, and now I turn off the
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  Speaker 3: white noise or the dark noise I think is what
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  Speaker 3: it is?
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  Speaker 2: Noise? And because you're a demon, I'm a demon. You're
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  Speaker 2: listening to dark noise.
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  Speaker 3: I turn that off, get my phone, get my coffee
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  Speaker 3: and protein bar, and go into the backyard and read.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Once I'm done with my coffee, I go in and
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  Speaker 3: get my phone okay, and then go back out and
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  Speaker 3: then just start ruining.
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  Speaker 2: My day okay, because that's a healthy way to start
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  Speaker 2: the day, I feel. But it doesn't prevent you from
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  Speaker 2: So it doesn't prevent you from coming in and ruining things.
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  Speaker 3: Right if I have if the phone is next to
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  Speaker 3: my book that I'm just not reading the book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you got to leave. I got one
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  Speaker 2: of those apps that makes it hard to get on
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  Speaker 2: social media. You have to. It's called screen Zen okay,
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  Speaker 2: is the one that I'm using, and you have to
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  Speaker 2: You're only allowed three times on ten minutes at a time, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have to wait a full minute for
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  Speaker 2: it to let you on. But as it's I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: just annoying when I have to wait them of course. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it has prevented me from like mindlessly sort of
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  Speaker 2: scrolling because if I go to mindlessly scroll and then
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  Speaker 2: I see that I have to wait a full minute,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like fuck.
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  Speaker 3: This, right, it just like snaps you out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but is there's no.
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  Speaker 3: Work around, I feel like I would get around the worker.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so bad at technology. If there is, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: So for a computer whiz like myself, I mean I.
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  Speaker 2: Should be named Debbie or Nancy. Nancy is my mom's name,
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  Speaker 2: Linda Kathy. I'm like I have a boomer level of technology.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like any of those things I would
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  Speaker 3: just it has to physically be locked away from me,
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  Speaker 3: which is unfortunate. How much longer do you think we're
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  Speaker 3: all going to be trapped? And like, at some point
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  Speaker 3: there has to be a breaking point when we start
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  Speaker 3: leaving at least Instagram for another new thing. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm teaching this semester, so I'm with gen Z and
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  Speaker 2: how are they doing? And they are unwell but they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of like funny, but yeah, they do they you
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  Speaker 2: know how people talk about the gen Z stare and stuff. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they do have kind of like zombie eyes that I
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  Speaker 2: think is from staring at their screen. Right, But I
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  Speaker 2: also think everybody's been worried about the youth.
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  Speaker 3: Since since the beginning of time.
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  Speaker 2: I think they are like chillin you know, they make
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  Speaker 2: me laugh. They talk about their like boyfriends, ex boyfriends,
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  Speaker 2: facetiming them. In creative writing, we spend forty five minutes
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  Speaker 2: out of the hour talking about people's ex boyfriends, facetiming them.
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  Speaker 2: That's what creative writing is all about.
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  Speaker 3: That's the beginning of a story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly so. But otherwise they seem pretty normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're shy. They seem really shy, at least the
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  Speaker 2: students in my class like people like but once they
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  Speaker 2: start talking, then they but they seem to have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more like no one. They're no like class
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  Speaker 2: clowns that are like constantly interest kind of chatting. I'm
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  Speaker 2: like begging them to talk, you know, I'm telling them
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  Speaker 2: I'll injure myself in front of them if they don't speak.
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  Speaker 3: I feel I feel like shy is a good place
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  Speaker 3: to start.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mind it. Yeah, shy teen better than the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, an annoying teen. I forget it.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, nineteen twenty twenty one. You know, they're in college.
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  Speaker 3: They're shy, and it feels like gen Z is now
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  Speaker 3: getting to you know, Jen Alpha's now they in charge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't, I don't can't tell the distinct.
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  Speaker 3: How old is the oldest Gen Alpha at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Is that like a I'm turning to the booth.
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  Speaker 3: How old is like fifteen eighteen? Where are we with
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  Speaker 3: Gen Alpha at this point?
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  Speaker 4: They're born between twenty ten and twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, fifteen years old.
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  Speaker 2: So they're just they're not yeah, they're still in there.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't gotten to me yet.
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  Speaker 3: Right, They're not driving, They're not They're not a yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but they're the advertisers are starting to turn the gaze
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  Speaker 3: towards Jen Alpha and where the rest of us are
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  Speaker 3: just continually losing power and sliding towards death. Wow. I
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  Speaker 3: was going to ask you how you start your mornings.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I try to do the thing where I stay
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  Speaker 2: off my phone and I also try to read. I
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  Speaker 2: gotta get a coffee. Like the moment you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm like crawling out of my I can't do anything
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  Speaker 2: without I'm so addicted to kaffee. Right, I get a
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  Speaker 2: migraine if I don't have coffee.
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  Speaker 3: Coffee, are you doing a whole pot in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: I open a can of cold brew, a can that
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  Speaker 2: I get from bulk from Costco. Okay, well, huge, I
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  Speaker 2: got to show you it. Okay, I think I have
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  Speaker 2: early onset dementia. I can't pull it. Absolutely, I can't
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  Speaker 2: pull anything from my brain.
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  Speaker 3: It's so scary when someone else something.
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  Speaker 2: This is something I look at every day in order.
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  Speaker 2: But it's one of those that's it was the highest
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  Speaker 2: milligrams of caffeine. I could find choice like three hundred and.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, And I drink it, and I
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  Speaker 2: feel that I feel the same, but I at least
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  Speaker 2: don't have I'm not getting like a splitting headache, right,
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  Speaker 2: and then as I drink it, I try to read
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  Speaker 2: a book.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's nice. I think I make my
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  Speaker 3: own cold brew, but I'm even that the idea of
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  Speaker 3: just being able to open a can.
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  Speaker 2: You make your own cold brew, that's like trad husband
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  Speaker 2: of you.
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  Speaker 3: I am you make it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that entails or is that
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  Speaker 2: just like pouring concentrated and.
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  Speaker 3: You get this thing called a cold brew toddy, which
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  Speaker 3: is a plastic like thing, and then you put the
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  Speaker 3: coffee grounds and then water, then coffee grounds in water.
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  Speaker 3: Then you let it sit for twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 2: All very sexy. I feel to hear that you're making
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  Speaker 2: and do you make it for your husband boyfriend?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I make the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole ring and I can't remember which rain goes on.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good day. I forget all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to go for it. It's
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  Speaker 2: my husband. I'm going the tickets.
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  Speaker 3: Wife excuses me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: You make the concentrate and then it sits in the
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  Speaker 3: fridge and then you make it in the morning. But
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  Speaker 3: I make it for.
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  Speaker 2: Both of us because he can't complain never.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean the sky complains non stop.
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  Speaker 2: You're making him cold brew.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of complaints it's ridiculous, none of them too much.
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  Speaker 2: That's like if I buy my boyfriend dinner, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: then for the next two weeks, I'm like, remember when
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  Speaker 2: I got you dinner. It's so annoying.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, shut them over the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm getting him like two for one. It'll poil
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  Speaker 2: loco And I'm like remember that, I'll how good it was?
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  Speaker 3: You usually go out to dinner? Do you just split? No?
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  Speaker 2: He always pays for me.
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  Speaker 3: He always pays.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's so crazy for me to be like, remember,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's me being like, you know, the one time.
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  Speaker 2: But we have really different schedules because he works a
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  Speaker 2: normal job and I'm, you know, a kookie, right working
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  Speaker 2: ten working ten various jobs. So I'm often bringing over
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  Speaker 2: like taco ball at like ten thirty d. That's very nice,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't live that kind of I have some
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  Speaker 2: kookie beliefs, like what like religious. No, my kookie beliefs
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  Speaker 2: are that I need a lot of privacy. Yeah, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: I just I've never lived with anyone, and I have
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  Speaker 2: a great apartment that I love, right, But I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to tell you how long we've been dating because
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  Speaker 2: then it seems really creepy.
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  Speaker 3: Though we don't live I don't think that that's creepy
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  Speaker 3: at all. I think that that's very healthy, get.
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  Speaker 2: On great, right, And he keeps moving closer to me,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm hoping that eventually he'll just live next door.
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  Speaker 3: He's slowly creeping up.
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  Speaker 2: He's creeping up on me because I won't leave my apartment.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Oh, I think that that's totally fine, and
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  Speaker 3: especially I think in a big city where it's just
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  Speaker 3: like hard to find a good apartment. I'm like, we
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  Speaker 3: don't fight, you know, of course, how could you possibly
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  Speaker 3: your time is more valuable when you're together.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And and I feel like a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: things that people fight about are like someone breathing.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, you know, hearing the other person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't. And I'm just like, listen, am I
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  Speaker 2: in therapy. Yeah, shout out to doctor Barbara.
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  Speaker 3: She's doctor Barbara. Reach out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh she calls in. She's like, I'd like to talk
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  Speaker 2: more about Amy's issues. Listen. I grew up in a
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  Speaker 2: house where, like, my dad was talking to me through
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  Speaker 2: the bathroom door. Not a lot of private too much.
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  Speaker 3: You can't talk to someone in there.
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  Speaker 2: Larry's Larry's calling me ten times a day. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's on the toilet, He's calling me. His name's Larry.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just like, I need I got to live alone,
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  Speaker 2: got a alone.
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  Speaker 3: No, I totally understand that we've started. We sleep in
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  Speaker 3: separate beds almost every night of the week.
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  Speaker 2: See that's and that sounds good to me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's lovely.
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  Speaker 2: And then do you sorry? I'm sorry to bring this
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  Speaker 2: up on the pod. Whose bed do you have sex in?
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay, And that's fair enough. I thought i'd take
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  Speaker 2: a stab, you know, just sometimes I got to take
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  Speaker 2: a big swing, and if it's a strikeout, I don't mind.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's part of doing stand up comedy. Sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: get on stage and you whiff.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you didn't whiff, you just didn't get an.
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  Speaker 2: Get an answer. That's like my crowd work. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: so what bed do you guys? Fucking I hate when
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  Speaker 2: comedians ask people in the crowd like vulgar questions.
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  Speaker 3: What I was going to say about calling is do
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  Speaker 3: you forget this when you call somebody on speaker and
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: they ask, am I on speaker? But people get really
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: sensitive about being on speaker phone.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what they're really asking is can someone here?
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Can someone else hear me?
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like I get a lot of the time.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: It's just like, why don't you have Why are you
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: using your like some of your strengths to hold the phone?
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's weird. It's like, what do they care?
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm doing you a big favorite just by
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: even talking.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I always assumed it was is someone else in the
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: room and can hear me? You know?
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Right that person's paranoid? Yeah? Yeah, and I will let
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: somebody know if there's somebody else in the room in
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: the car.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I would hope I'm not just gonna blurt out right
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: something private like I blurt out on this podcast.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Are you a big phone person?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big talk to my girlfriends every time
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I get in the I drive a lot, as many
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: LA people do. But I got a lot of jobs
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: on every side of the city, right, but I'm crossing.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I'm in the car. I feel for four hours a day.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: And so every time I get in the car, I
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: call a friend and I listen to her problems.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And do you just do you schedule the call or
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: you just randomly call?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I just randomly call. And I got a lot of
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: girlfriends with problems, and you're a girl thirties in LA,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm somebody who doesn't mind hearing them. I find
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: people's problems to be and they're always problems with as
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: many girls problems are women's. There are problems with no solutions.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: So you're just kind of just listening, but you're not
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: offering solutions.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, the solution is like we have to get
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: you to like see yourself as lovable.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: And I also think people don't want to hear solutions,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: And what.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Sort of solution is you need to see yourself as lovable.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they know right, you know, so when it becomes advice,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the people tune that out.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: They just want to Sometimes the solution is like we
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: got to you gotta get a job, but like there
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: are no one wants to hear that either, or they're
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: already trying to get a job.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Of course they're trying to get a job.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: That's not helpful, right exactly. Or like they're sad about
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: a breakup, and what are you going to say to that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You're just like, yeah, I'm sad too that you had
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: that happen.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And you have to be careful about talking about a
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: breakup because if you insult the X too much, then
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: they get back together. That becomes you can't be fully honest.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: There was a minute when I was doing surprise phone calls,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: and I've kind of shied away from that. I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I need to get back into that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Why did you start trying away?
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that during the pandemic it
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: became a thing that felt good to just give somebody
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: a phone call, and then we all got kind of
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: back into our lives as much as you possibly could.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: And now it feels a little bit like, am I
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: scaring people?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Like it? And I was doing a lot of surprise
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: face times, which I think, Yeah, that I've stopped. Now
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I'm only doing surprise phone call.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would text before, and I don't really care
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to see a friend's face. Yeah, I don't need to
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: FaceTime a friend. I will. Uh, maybe I should start
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: randomly calling people again.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I get into habits with certain people where I'm talking
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to them constantly, and then I've like one of my
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: best friends lives in Australia and I don't call her
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: because I feel like when I call her, we need
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of time to catch up.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: The people I'm calling are people who I really know
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: what's going on in their lives minute to minute too much,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: You know. I was just wondering about this, Like, what's
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the longest amount of time you haven't spoken to somebody,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: like to a good friend, to a good friend that
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: you feel like you could still give them a phone call.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Let's say you haven't spoken to somebody in two years?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Is it? Do you need to text first?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Two years? That's tough.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever gone alarming to get a
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: phone call from somebody you haven't heard from in two years.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's either like a person from like
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: high school that is coming out of the blue, you know, right,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: or a person Yeah it would be alarming to me,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: would it be alarming to you?
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to decide. I mean, like, let's say that
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: you're kind of in contact through social media, so you're
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: aware of each other.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's different.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm an optimist and I always think someone
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: is calling to get give me something.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Does that happen?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Well, even if it's just like a like you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like we need you to do a Q and A
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: for twucks.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Right right, I don't know.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm always. I'm always I'm like a person
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: who answers unknown numbers, thinking that it's going to be
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: someone like, hey, we read a short story of yours.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: We want to turn it into a movie.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I used to ground down for me, that's totally filed.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: It's just like my dad finding new numbers to call
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: me from.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Like for some reason, I now just think it's either
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: scam or medical call. Yeah, urgent care.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Call, cold calls. I'm getting a lot of I thought
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I have health insurance from a certain company and I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: keep getting phone calls being like, this is your health insurance,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: but it's a different company. I never know if it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a scame.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Got to be very careful.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I probably don't have health insurance now. I'm probably like, accidentally.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: You have to I think, what did they say? If
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: you think that, if it seems like they're calling you
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: don't answer, then you call them from a different phone number.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It seems too good to be true.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: If it seems too good. I know something about if
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it seems too good to be true, if.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Someone's calling me being like, Hi, yeah, Steven Spielberg, can
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you come over? Like we read a short story of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: yours in the Indiana Review and we need to have you.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We want to make it into a movie. All my
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: short stories are like a girl walks into a bar
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and has a conversation.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I'd like health insurance to call with an offer that's.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Too good to be and Hi, we have a kidney
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: in case you ever need one.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna keep it on You're gonna put it
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: on ice.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Let us know if you ever need one. It's waiting
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Well. Look, speaking of disappointment and things that were too
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: good to be true, I think that having you on
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: the podcast may have been too good to be true,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: because I was looking forward to having you here.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's something that can happen to me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Something bad has happened to me, Amy. I was excited
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to have you here. I thought, amy'l combie, we'll have
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: a nice time. We'll just chat, see what's up with
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: each other's lives that then move on with our days.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: The podcast is called I said no gifts, so my
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: day was immediately ruined. And it's as I said, it's
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: very early. So now I have to live through the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: rest of my day in a mood because you showed
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: up holding a gift. I'm sorry, doesn't seem like you are.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to bring you a gift badly.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, well should we open it here on the podcast?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm embarrassed for people to see, but I
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: guess I have no other choice.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Well, as long as you're embarrassed.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I know you like to embarrass me, of course.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Let's open it here. You've totally lost a kid. It's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: in this beautiful brown bag. This is a yes, I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: going to reach in here. Okay, Oh, it's an interesting feeling.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Let's pull this on I'm pulling something else.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm just making sure there's nothing else here.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: It's a dense bag.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry, by the way.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Wow, okay, oh this is whoa Oh wait did you
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: this is a van Go printed on it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Where did you get this? This is my dad's paint
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: by number. My dad has become a painter, and uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: every painting he does is worse than the last. This
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: one's actually one of his better ones.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: This one's pretty good.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I talked to you know. What I really
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: wanted to find, which I wasn't able to get, was
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: he did a portrait of me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, let's see this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Can you show the camera that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Put this on Instagram? If it's not great?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Has daughter Amy? You know, you can flip through. He's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: got some other really kind of awful painting.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Who's this?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: That's my mom at her at her birthday. That's pretty
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I love this. The waiter in the background. This is
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: when he was still doing pain by numbers my dad.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Larry Silverberg, who read the caption on that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: One, says lots to criticize about this water color of
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: a girl swimmer assignment, especially the mouth. He's so he's
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: just getting ahead of the viewers of criticize.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: When I read that caption on a painting lots to criticize,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I thought, this is this makes me understand myself and original.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so now he's no longer doing paint by numbers, but.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I think he's a good painter.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Don't lie.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Coy some coy with masking fluid, which I failed so
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: hard hard. Oh yeah, his daughter is here criticizing him
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: on see this.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have Instagram. I thought, maybe you could do
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: something with that paint by number? Do you have any
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: interest in art or van go?
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I do? I and in I'm a doodler. My mom's
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: a great painter.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, really, really good letter letter, give it a critique.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I didn't know this was paint
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: by numbers, I would just think it was a like
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: a you know print that you ordered online.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you like it? Well, I think that's like
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: is a strong Will you put it up somewhere.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I'll put it up here in the studio. Okay, we'll
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: have a space so it'll be out of the camera.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: My dad will feel honored. He is a painting.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to pay for a frame.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: No, please, this could.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Probably dangle somewhere, or let it dangle. Yeah, we'll let
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: it dangle from a shell.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Honestly, you could put it on the ground as a mat,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: as a doormat.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your problem with this thing? No?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I I just think actually that it's really beautiful to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: start a hobby late in life.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, Oh so he started this how long ago?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He's about to turn eighty? Wow, he started it recently.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And it's all he does every day is and then
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: he calls me to tell me kind of about the paintings.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: That's what I want you to know.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I also have a lot. He's got a lot of
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: paintings to give away, so he won't miss this.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: You know. Does he mail these see or do you
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: get them when you go home?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: No? When I go home. He's also trying to get
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: me to give them away to friends. He's like, please
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: give people my paintings.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: You know. So when he gives you this one, for example,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: what was your reaction.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I said, van go and he said, yeah, I fucked
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: it up. You know, immediately he was criticizing it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Is he proud of any of his paintings.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: One or two? But then he'll look at which I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: also relate to, you know, as a writer a comedian.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: The next day he'll look at it again and decide
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: he doesn't like it, right, And who among us is.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Is which ones was he kind of proud of?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Um, he likes the one that he did of my
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: mom do that?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's a nice one, which is Yeah, he
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: captured the waiter who seems kind of frustrated.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He captures an essence and it even if he captures
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: sort of nothing else.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Does he have any goals? Does he want to be
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: shown in a gallery?
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: No, he just wants to have fun.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And did this come out of nowhere? He's like, well,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I got to do something with my time.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think he wanted like an
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: artistic outlet, and honestly reminded me that I don't. I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: don't really have a single hobby. Oh I have one hobby.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I actually almost brought you poker chips. I play poker.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Oh hobby.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a good hobby, but like I have
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: no I think if you're in the arts as a job.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Right, it kind of ruins that your hobbies.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then you have no sort of artistic hobby. But poker,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you know, like and it's unhealthy.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: How long have you been playing poker?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Probably like three or four years now?
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And did you teach yourself or Christine Madrano? I bet
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a friend of the poll former former guests at the post.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, shout out to Christine Mitrano. She was sort of
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: my mentor.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: She play excellent poker.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so we go to the casino together. We
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: don't even play. I play homegme. But where we really
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: shine is at the casino.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: What casino do you go to?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: You name it. I've been there commerce the bike Hollywood Park.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: If you look in my wallet, I'm like trying to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: take out a credit card. I have casino cards like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: flying out.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: You've been to the Marongo?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Oh that I haven't been.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: You haven't been to the Mango.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I haven't been to the Marongo.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's shocking.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I'm meeting a lot of weird old men at the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: casino and they are close friends of mine. How much
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing how many people I recognize when I
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: go in all these Every Filipino older man is my
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: best friend.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: That's great. What a community is a community? Have you
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: won big before?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've won big and I've lost big.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: How much have you won.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Like seven hundred, that seems okay.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that's big. I mean that would be.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: For me low stakes, and I'm very we call it nitty.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I'm in nitty, meaning I'm like a conservative player. I'm
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: not going in. I'm not trying to gamble.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Or you're healthy, you're not a gambling addict.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not trying to gamble. I'm trying to play
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: sort of strategically.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: What's the most you've lost.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: In one sitting?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like six.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Hundreds, See that would be you know, oh, and I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: feel terrible about myself after, but it goes up and down,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: so like overall, I'm pretty even, right, That's why it
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is like a stupid hobby that's just sort of like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: stress relief.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: If I lost six hundred dollars, I would have to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: get a second job.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I mean when I lose six hundred dollars, it's always
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: because I'm like really stressed out, and it's like healthy,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Like I got to play poker as a stress reliever.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: So like my boyfriend would take a long walk and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like going all in on pocket tooths. You know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: it's like not a good do.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: You think you'll ever try competitive poker.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: You mean like a tournament. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: need a lot of time for a tournament. I like
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: cash games because you can just go and cash games
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: are still competitive you're playing against the team, right, But
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: cash games just mean.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You go in and out a tournament. You have to
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: just and can anybody show up to a tournament?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I'd like to bring you.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I am the last person who will The idea of
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: even playing one game of poker is horrified.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love it so much. I am smiling
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: minightly the entire time. I'm smiling even when I'm losing money.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: That probably works in your favor, I think, so, yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: because no one, no one can really tell what's going
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: on in your mind.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and I like I have like I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: one of my better qualities is I have a deep
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: curiosity about other people. Okay, sometimes you know, curiosity kills the.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Cat, right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So I meet really sort of interesting people at the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: poker table. And I met a guy whose job was
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to clean up after dead get rid of.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Dead bodies, oh at crime scene clean.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Up or just if I were to pass away here.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Oh so he works for the morgue or something.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I guess he just he was like, if the cops come,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: they're not the ones who come to take away the body, right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: They have some guy in a suit. And did you
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: learn anything about that whole situation? What did he have
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: any tips?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I asked him? You know, actually, I was like, do
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you like the job? And he said something sort of
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: moving about like I like to treat, like really honor
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a body's last moments on earth, like I treat it with.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: A lot of care.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: So it was and then I loved dream seventy dollars
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and left.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Was he a good poker player?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: No, not particularly. I think I was a little you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I've met some guys on parole. I'm meeting a lot
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: of interest. Wow.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I don't mind black jack, but not playing
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: for money.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: How do you play blackjack for no money?
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Just like my boyfriend and I will just play, you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: just this is very rare. But okay, okay, here's just
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: kind of a thrill. Yeah, no, I like, do you
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: play blackjack at all?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I like blackjack. I like craps. I'm a gambler.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: It's my worst quality in best quality.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: What's your favorite casino?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I love Vegas. Okay, and but if we're talking
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: about l A, well, this is when things are going
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: to get real freaky. Like I like the food at
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the bicycle, I like the Kung pow chicken at Hollywood Park.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: This is a much time I'm spending at these because
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: see those and in commerce, I like the action.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, that seems like the most important thing for
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Are you eating kungkout chicken while playing poker? Yeah, so
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: there's like a plate of it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, and yeah, I'm eating it. I never eat
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: anything you got any for knife. You can't eat anything
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: with your hands, obviously because you're touching the carts chips.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't know you were allowed to eat during poker.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually one of my favorite parts. It's like
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: getting the casino food and eat eating. People don't think
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that I can be a degenerate gambler because I'm five
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: feet tall. They think something about that. I think I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: can't see over the chips.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like short people are more likely to be
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: degenerate gamblers. I feel like tall people don't need to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: they've got it all. Tall people don't need to get
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: or short people are like, well maybe this.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Will fix everything to hell? Yeah, like close to the ground.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Do you like Las Vegas?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Uh? No, absolutely. I'm trying to be more careful about
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: how I talk about because I feel like, no, not
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: so much that I just feel like I grew up
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: in a city that was the butt of every joke,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: you know, and I remember being like, well, there are
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: good things about the city. I will say, there's so
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: many awful things about Las Vegas that maybe maybe they're
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: for other people. It's not my cup of tea. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: will say, you do see the bottom of humanity there, sure.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: And I only ever spend like two or three days
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: right time.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Anyone who's in Las Vegas for more than three days,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: their life is ruined.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, going there? And how long you were there?
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: For?
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Three days?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Two days?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Two days?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And we went to a high end strip club, oh,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: which I'd never been to disturbing. I thought that there
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: would be way more like joy and laughter. I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: know what I like. I was thinking it was going
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to be like maybe more burlesque type like room. But
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I think because it was high end, the men were
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: so grimly horny. I didn't I was like I was
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: waiting for like some like, but they felt like.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: They were owed something grim grimly.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: But I did see a woman take off her thong
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to reveal a smaller thong, and then she did of
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that song and there was an even smaller thng, So
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: that made it all That made it all worth that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: a thong on a thong.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: No Vegas has there's an apocalyptic prison city feel to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: it that just doesn't really work for me. Yeah, there's
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: a you know, there's a great Thai restaurant I like
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: there that Like I wish it wasn't in that city
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: because I would go there.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: What do you ever think about what you how you
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: would do in an apocalypse?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I would kill myself immediately.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that question. And some people really
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: take joy in being like, oh, I'll like grow cabbage
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and all. Why I'm a Type one diabetic. I'm like
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I need insulin, Like just eat me first.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: The absolute nightmare for you.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not interested in Also the It's like
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: every boyfriend I've ever had is always like I'll get
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: you insulin. It's like, you know, like what are you
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: going to grind up the pain greass of a pig?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Like you're not confidence, You're not gonna be helpful to me,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Like eat me if I don't like to imagine the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: in apocalypse. I know it's getting closer and closer.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: But I'm no, I just feel like at that point,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: why bother? I like to camp for one night Max.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a big camper, so I'd rather be
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: in Vegas than on a campground.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Like on the downhill slide towards like the end of
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the world. I would probably enjoy myself with some looting,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: et cetera. You think you're gonna loot, I would loot, absolutely,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I would loot now, Okay.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: See, and I think I would be like I would
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be like, come, let's play a game. I'm dealing cards.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: No, I would be throwing a cinder block through a
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: best By window, getting a new washing machine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I feel like that that level of freedom, that anarchy
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: would be fun for a minute. Yeah, one minute, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, now it's all over. Throw me
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: in a river.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a minus the gambling, a bit
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: of a goodie two shoes.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Well, but see that as am I'm a
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I follow rules but like to suddenly be like, well
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: who cares?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be turn out to be the most
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: evil man in the apocalypse, like after having followed all
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: these rules.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's all pent topic, like I'm the ruler
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: of Earth. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm such an evil.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been demonic and no.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I'd love to be in the grocery store just eating
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the food while I'm walking around.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was my dream as a kid,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to be like left alone at like pavilions. What's sad?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: There's something satisfying about the idea of like drinking a
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: drink before you get to the checkout and then just
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: paying for the ka something like that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: You know, they got mad at my grandma, my booboo.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: May she rest in peace. She was like in her
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: eighties nineties for going through like the nuts and taking
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a few break. The grocery store guy came over and said,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you can't do that. It's like this woman's like eighty eight.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna let her eat a pistachio. Jordan Allman,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: what your sample of cash? Who let her sample of cashew?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It was so crazy, Wow, that's really I think after
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: your hand in, she was like taking it out with
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the even if she was putting her hand in come.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: On out of the bulk bins.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Out of the bulk bins.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I think that's for anyone of any age. They should
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: be able to do that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: One little fresh.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: It may have been there for a long time.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Everything if the TVs, you know, is under lock and key,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: so you got to be like, excuse me, like I
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: need this dealready.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, if the item is under seven dollars, they
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: should not be behind glass. Just let let people steal it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Turns out we're ready to loot right now, you and I.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: The CVS. I feel like that must cost them more
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: money than they have to hire more employees or something
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: to go let people into the glass, one would think.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And they have to pay for all of the glass. Yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: and it just makes it a missing It was already
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: such a miserable experience. Let us in charge pharmacy should
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: be doing something to make them more appealing. AE own
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: forget it. Well, do you have any other hobbies planned?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Do I have any other hobbies plan?
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I used to paint grand Yeah, and I would like
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to take it up again. I went to one pottery class,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: but the instructor like did it all?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: So my bowl turned out so good that I was
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to like the left of the instructor, and she kept
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: coming and putting her hands on my bowl. But people
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: get really into pottery.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, some people are very good at it. I'm not.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Do you have any hobbies?
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I guess video games is kind of
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a hobby.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like the worst kind of gamer because I played
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: games on my phone such a fucking's kind of gambling. Well, well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I mean the games I'm playing are like Bubble Spinner.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not like spending money on them, but I'm on
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: level three and fifty seven.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: It's like so creepy and they're very slot machine coded.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: They're just fun to like play. Well, Like, you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: TLC poly Family is on in the background. I was
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: telling you, I.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Like, we were talking about TLC poly Family.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: You haven't watched TLZ poll Family. I beg your listeners,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and I beg you.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I haven't watched it yet. TLC at some point there's
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: going to be a reckoning for their producers.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Oh. I think already they're having trouble sleeping at night.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I think that they are.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen yet. They need it worse a dark.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Soul when you start pitching TLC reality shows they're at
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Carnival Barkers.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm back on Marriati First Sight, which is also
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: kind of an interesting.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: We we o died on ninety Day Fiance during the pandemic.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I was watching that during the pandemic and something happens
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: where it gets too dark.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've just had so much of it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: You're just like and then you're just like, the people
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: are coming over to America to be with the scariest,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: ugliest man you've ever seen, and they have so much
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to lose and so little to gain that it becomes
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: too difficult, too yeah to continue watching. But I like
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: when the women take advantage of the men.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course. When I love when there's somebody coming
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: from another country and it's just some oaf uh of course, like, yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you should be taking advantage.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, I have the money.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: She knows what she's doing.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Or like when it's like some dumb guy and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: like a Russian woman is like, you have to give
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: me all my all your money.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like we're probably talking about the same one,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: and I feel like they lived in Park l Brea.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Do you remember that couple?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think that guy Bobs I can't do
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: a Russian accent, but.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: That was pretty good. Thank you boobs.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I need boos, I need more purse.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: She absolutely juiced that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Guy, and he was just kind of like is this
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a normal relationship? Like you see him on Reddit being
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: like is this is it normal for your wife to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: yell at you? I need boobs, I need persons.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I think he was eventually arrested for something else.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Uh oh well that makes it like fraud.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it was fraud.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Fraud, something gonna vague fraud.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: But I was. I was rooting for that mean Russian
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the entire time.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Come on, It's like, yeah, he him, squish him.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I wonder where she is now.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm somebody who might accidentally commit fraud
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: just in my tax is really that's scary estimating and
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: my taxes are really confusing because I have to file
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a thing for everywhere I've done stand up.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Oh if that's real, I've definitely.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Done some kind of fraud.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Hopefully no one's This show has a big IRS listenership,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: so that sort of thing when you're freelancing is so scared.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: My tax I'm just like, please be on top of this.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: A mere tax guy, you know, he's in Chatsworth. He's like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: she gambles too much.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: That's oh yeah, gambling. Do you have to report your
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Do enough that I report it, like you know, and
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty kind of I.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Wonder how much you have to win gambling in order
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: to report it. I bet the casino tells you. You right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: they're probably kind of on the.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Watch me right now getting into trouble, like realizing that
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I've been I'm supposed to be reporting and I haven't.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I yeah, definitely, if you win a big tournament, like
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Christine placed in a big tournament and she won like
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: eight K, I assume, yes, that's a big Maybe it's
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: like ten.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Christine's going to eventually win the world.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: We're going to bring you to the casino and see.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: And I will be an absolute killed joy. You will be.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: You will regret every second I'm there. I can guarantee
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I was in the casino a couple of months ago
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: and it was a miserable experience for me. Which casino
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the one in Palm Springs that it's not wrong? Yes, yes,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: my boyfriend was playing black jack and he enjoys gambling,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and he since we had met, I think he had
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: gambled once, like ten years ago, and I said, never again.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: And then this you want to go with him? The
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: cam that he could because I was like, you have
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to stop throwing them up. Wait, and not that he
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: was like now that he had, Boyfriend's.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Just simply afraid of me too. I'm sure he wishes
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: he could say, I need you to.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Stop, but this time you convinced me. He gave me
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: twenty dollars and I went and used the slot machines
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: realized very quickly I don't even know how to use
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: a slot machine, and then lost off the money.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I told my boyfriend because he had lost money, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: he was like in a like he was upset about it, like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and I got you can't be around me if you're
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: upset about losing money like this.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: That vibe is not of course, so do not bring me. Yeah.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: No, I'm like, I need I'm losing money. I'm smiling, Okay.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Because you're treating it as a game, not as a
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: money making sure. Sure, yeah, because I would go into
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: it thinking I have to make money. Now, this is
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: my job for the next two hours.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And have I occasionally told people I was going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the library and then went to the casino instead. Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: and that's something again, Doctor Barbara listening, we can circle
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: back to that. I don't think you're supposed to be
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: lying about where you are.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Wait, what's your favorite casino in Vegas?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I like where I like to play poker. Is the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Encore or the Win?
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Never heard of the Core?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nicely familiar with the use a free drink,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So I like that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: You see that appeals to me, but a free drink appeal,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: But for me, it's a diet coke. Just spend the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: two dollars.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Fun though, you know that free diet coke. I'm like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: keep them coming, swell.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Should you have to gamble for them to start offering
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: you free drinks?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: You if you just sit down at the table with
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: any money, they I noticed they kind of take a
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: long time to bring you a drink.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course they want more money. I mean the
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: psychology that they're using. I bet they have a whole
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: team of psychologists working.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: And the amount of verbal abuse that these women, I mean,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: like sexual harassment. These women taken at the table were like, sweetie,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: come on, sweetie, whatever I don't know why I made
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: them from like New Jersey. That's me too. When I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: sit at the table, I'm like, sweetie, it's sweet sweetie.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Can you hurry up? That Bailey's on ice like ordering
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the weirdest.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Oh that you are living my hell. I don't know
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: how you do it, but yeah, hobbies. I was rock
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: climbing for a minute. I need to get back into
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: that is that scary indoors? Not for me at least.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I think you have a cord.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: No, I was bouldering, so you don't have a cord,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: but you're only at max like twenty five feet in
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the air. At one point, I was like I had
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: gotten to like a maybe mid to high level, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I decided to film it on my phone and I
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: filmed it like me.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Getting to the top, like you put it on a
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: propped it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Up against my water bottle. I filmed the whole thing
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and it was difficult. I got to the top and
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: got down and then I watched out my phone. It's
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: like this is I can't I can never show anyone this.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: This is so embarrassing.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: What was embarrassing about it?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Because it's like I climbed like fifteen feet into the air,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you're it, You're like, yeah, while doing it, it's like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: this is so difficult, this is so impressive. And then
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: you watch it, You're like, this is maybe two and
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: a half times my height. If I were to fall
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: to the ground, I might be sore.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: The next thing, No, I pull vaulted in high school. Wow, Yes,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And I was so bad at it. I was not
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: allowed to participate in any of the meats.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Who told you you weren't allowed to participate, they were
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: just like.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You're like, you're not even gonna make it. Like I
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: could only make it over the first thing, which is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: five feet, so I could essentially vault over myself if
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I was like coming to attack myself, and I had
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a stick and au But I remember thinking when when
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you're in the air flying over, you.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Feel like you're of course you're staring.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And then someone had taken a video of me, and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you're it looks so small compared to what other people
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: are doing, because they're vaulting over like six feet and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: seven feet.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: And eve, and how does that I've never really, I've
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: never tried it. You stick the thing in the grounder
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: than it kind of.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And then you but it really is like your form.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So like the best girl on the team was like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: tiny and didn't have big upper body strike, but she
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: had the right form. But if you're like a strong guy,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you can kind of just vault yourself. I could do neither.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I was just like poking people in the butts with
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the sticks, like having fun.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: What drew you to it?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Then you didn't have to try out and I needed
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: to finish a pee credit.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you didn't have to try out for that.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: That's is like one that's kind of dangerous.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: No track, they were like at my high school, they
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: were just kind of like what do you want to
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: do in track? Originally I wanted to throw the discus? Oh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and they told me I was too weak. They were
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: like you got a way more than the discus, you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: five five feet. So then I was like what else
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: can I do when I don't have to run? And
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: they were like, how wanted you try to pull vaulted?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Do you think you could pull vault now? At any level?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: That's a friend just was like do you still pull vault?
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And I was like, it's not only something you do
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: like as a leisure activity.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: You have to go buy what is this thing called
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: a stick? The pole?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like you get the pole, you need the
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you need some pads, you need to find the Yeah.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like that would be a practical skill to
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: have in some regard if you're running away from someone
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: trying to Yeah, exactly pull vaulting away from like a
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: horde of people.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Should we take that up as a hobby.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind trying.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Do you have any other hobbies besides rock climbing?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: No, I play three chords on the guitar. I was
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: thinking about buying a bass guitar. I think I could
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: probably handle it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: The three chords that can get you far.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: No, because I'm not good enough at even forming the chords.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I was trying to learn to play this song see
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: of Heartbreak. Do you know that song? But Don Gibson,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: wonderful song. I believe you, and I think I kind
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: of began getting there, then got frustrated and gave it up.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I have a really stupid question. How many chords are there?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Oh? There? I mean there's so many chords. There's one
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: for each note. You know, each note has multiple chords
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: around it, Major, minor, all sorts of chords. So honestly,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: you have any idea how many chords are?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I added this out I sound like.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Honestly, I think the limit does not exist because you
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: have like you not only have major and minor, you
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: also have like dominant and like sus telling me.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: There's infinity chords, I mean as many.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I mean I'd have to look up one of those
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: like equations where you type in how many notes and
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: then how many because you can put seven notes in
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: a chord if you really wanted to, so like you
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: think about how many notes there are, and then you
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: combine those notes with other notes.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know it just like it starts stacking who
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the rainbow? Yes sound its.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Occurring to me. Now I've never known what a chord is.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Have you never played any music?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I played piano growing up, but not well.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Right, and sometimes you put more than two notes?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: No, I know, I guess I knew that those are chords.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: But chords, yeah, I can play three, and technically I
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: should be able to play a lot of songs. But
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'm just my finger. The finger strength isn't there.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: We got to work out your fingers.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: But I think with a bass, I think I could
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: probably figure that out. One note at a time.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Can you do you need to be in a band
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: to play the bass guitar or can you just kind
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: of do it alone?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: You could play it alone. I think eventually you'd be like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I need some other things going on here.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: That's like drummers. I'm like a drummer's hard to like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: drum alone.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: But a drum solo, when done well is kind of fun.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Sure. But if you're like only ever drumming alone.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Just yeah, you're kind of there. Solitary guitar, I feel
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: like you can play a large chunk of a song.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of questions about the drums, like.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: What how do they decide how many are in a kit?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: No, well, they decide like how to play it in
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: one way? To me, the drums seem really like you
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: get to improvise.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah you can really, I mean make up your own beat.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I guess yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I'm realizing now I dated a drummer for a while
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and never really asked him a question about it. It's
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: occurring to me you had no interest in his life,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Like I better call him up and say, why don't
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I ask you about how do you decide about the drumming?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I think eventually, if I gave it my all, I
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: could play the drums. But it requires a lot of
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: because you're as I think. I just listened to a
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: lot of music, and I think I have a decent
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: natural rhythm. Okay, but that could be wrong.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You have to be on a desert island with one
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: record that you were going to play over and over
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and over again.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Oh that's a that's such a difficult question to answer.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't know.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll let you think about it and text me.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, I would like to. You have to have something
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: that won't get old too quickly, that.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: You can listen to over and over and over again.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Do you know what an album that I think is
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: like between like a pop album and more experimental as
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: David Bowie's Low and it's like it's I think there's
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: enough there that it could probably sustain you for a
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: while on what about you?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I have such a terrible taste in music. I'm like,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: that's fine. I only listened to like Joni Mitchell and.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Like not terrible rule. I guess natural combinations.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: No, I'm like, I guess maybe I like a Lorn.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Hill mis Education. That's a good album.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Nineties and early two thousands, R and B and like
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: folk music. I'm all over the place.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I think that you could end up with a great
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Joni Mitchell album. Would be good on a desert.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I take like Joni Mitchell.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Give me a break. Yeah, come best of? I don't
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: think you could do best of.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You tell me.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: That's like saying you just want to like a compilation
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: of chapters from different books.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, best of books, that's what I should have brought you.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think we should play a game. We're going
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: to play a game called Gift to a Curse, but
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I need a number between one and ten from you.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Six.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Okay. I have to do some light calculating to get
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: our game pieces. So right now you can promote, recommend,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: do whatever you want. Tell me right back.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Okay. My debut novel is out at every bookstore. It's
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: called First Time Long Time through Grand Central Publishing. Slash
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: hashet First Time Long Time. It wasn't airports for a while.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: It was on the airport bookshelves, but it's no longer
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: a new release. Now it's like a five month old release,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: but you can still find it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: That's great. Everybody should get it.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I love that and Noble that's the bookstore, I say,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I would say that. Support your
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: barns and notes, go to your local bookstore. I love
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: to see it in bookstores, So send me a picture.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Can you see it?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I think that's such a beautiful title.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm a radio It has a radio component,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: so first time listener, first time that long time? Oh wow,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and here we are kind of on the radio.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Did it take you a long time to get to
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: that title? Yeah?
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I like sent a bunch of titles to the editors
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and my agents as we were trying to sell it,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: and to my agents first before we sold it, and
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: this was the one we all liked the best. I
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: also said, you know what interesting is the cover? They
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: sent me a lot of really ugly covers.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: It's got a great cover, and we said something kind
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: of fun and graupd stands out because there's a lot
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: of book cover design that kind of just blurs together.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like. I like a graphic cover and uh,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: you just hope that someone will walk by and like
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: pick it up.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: All right, what's your favorite book?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Oh god, the book that made me want to be
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: a writer when I was in college. Middle March by Elliot.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: I've never read it.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Really, it's long and it's sort of a study and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: what it means to be alive. My favorite book of
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: the month, I would say, is Beauty Land. Okay, my
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: favorite book of this month.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: That's been it, all right. This is how I play
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Gift or a Curse. I'm going to name three things.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: You're going to tell me if there're a gift or
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: a curse and why? Then I'll tell you if you're
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: right or wrong, because there are correct answers, and there's
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: a good chance you'll lose the game if you're not careful.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: All right. This first one is from Patreon listener Caitlin
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Gift or a Curse, posting a photo of all of
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: your Christmas gifts.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Curse Why because, like we've seen on so many reality
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: TV shows, if you show all the stuff you have,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: someone will break in and steal them.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Does this happen on a reality show before?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like Dori Et you know, we also
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: saw it recently on Selling Sunset someone broke into Mary's
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: house and store stuff. So you're you're asking for it
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: if you're showing like look at all this stuff I have.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Why not someone break in and take it? And it
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: might be you because you're a louter.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I am a future louder.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: You're a future louter. Yeah wrong, Okay.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: That's a gift. That's a and you're kind of illustrating
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: that by you should let me know what you have
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: in your house. Everyone should know what everyone has in
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: each other's houses in case you need to take it
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: or steal it. I don't want to break into a
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: house with no knowledge of what's in there. Sure, I'm
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: not just going to break into any strangers. I'm going
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: to find somebody that trusts me.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: You break into my house, you see my dad's paint
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: by numbers.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: No, I want to know what's in your house. I will.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: It'll be a friend or a family member. I'll break
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: into their home. I've seen their Christmas hall on Instagram.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I've got my Santa's bag. We're reverse Santa.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I've never seen anyone post what they've gotten.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I have to imagine I have that feels like something
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: that's that's some of the someone.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I don't people posting like them and their whole family
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: all in the matching pajamas.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: That's actually a very layered thing because I feel like
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: there was probably a point when it wasn't done ironically
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: m and that was fun to look at because it
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: was like, what's going on in this family?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: And now but now there's like family, every family trying
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: to go viral.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Do you remember the Pajama family that was like on YouTube?
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I know, but it's so wild to be known as
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: the pajama family.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: It was like this YouTube family that is everything they
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: ever produced was the worst, just worse and worse and worse.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: They were like rapping about I think they did parody
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: songs about being in pajamas and the holidays. It was excruciated. Yea,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: maybe I'll break into their house.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, take their pajamas.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've gotten one wrong so far, big deal. This
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: next one is from Patreon listener Alex Gift to a Curse,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: low or any other all instrumental versions of hit songs.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say gift why I like that kind of
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: stuff to write too, Like I like no lyrics, and
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: now do I write to it? Maybe I've done it once,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: but I like the idea of it of like a
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: low fi no lyrics thing. Is that means I'm realizing
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I'd not that. I know.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to correct listener Alex, but I feel
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: like unless this is just kind of one of those
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: words that's now just taken on new meaning, lo Fi,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I would assume is just like the recording is not
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: as high quality, you know. But I think what Alex
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: is saying here is just purely instrumental.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, that I like, but bad quality. No, I don't
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: like that. That's a curse.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: But we have to choose one or the other. Okay,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I'll still go with gift. Okay, wrong, Okay, this is
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: a curse. This for me, I like to hear instrumental music,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: but I don't. This is gonna drive me insane because
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: often it's just me thinking what song is this? What
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: is the lyric? It's it's something that just is taking
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: up brain power for me, and I think it's a
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: waste of everyone.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: So you couldn't name that tune?
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty good at it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: That's a game I hate. And when I when someone
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: wants to play name that tune, I want to take
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: out a weapon, like I'm not going to be able
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: to name a single tune. So I do hear that
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: that's frustrating.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: How do you play? Name that tune? Do you play?
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Did they play the actual song or do they play
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It like a wedding shower recently where they only played
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the instrumental and then everybody had
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: to kind of write down what the song was. And
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I just eventually sat down my pen. I was like,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm like, I can't get a single one.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I don't seem to know what's going on.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I get so competitive, Okay, okay, and I well, I
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: haven't played it in a long time, but I think
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I would be pretty good at it. They did the
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: whole Jane Krakowski was hosting something like they had it
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: but they like on the piano, and I don't think
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I could do that that way.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring you to a cassine know where
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: they have named that not casino doesn't exist.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: That casino will ruin me. All of my money will
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: be gone. Oh okay, so you've gone too wrong so
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: far everyone's rooting against you. This final one is from
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Patreon listener Casey Gift or a Cursed Cake with black
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: slash Dark icing.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Gift Why I like chocolate and I think it'll make
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: me think that it's gonna be a chocolate cake. I
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: also I enjoyed the time on the internet that was
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: is it cake?
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Sure? Thirty five seconds?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it would be cool to wonder
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: like is this a block of coal or is it
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: like a cake? So I'm gonna go gift.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: No HEMI you've completely lost the game. Wrong, No, no, no,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: And this is purely I need a cake just to
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: be good. I don't need it to look good. I
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: don't need it to look stylish or interesting. Okay, what
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: is the black element doing? Just making it look dramatic?
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Who cares? And it's like, what are we putting? Is
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: that ash? What is the thing you ask you question?
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I've actually really been wondering what what is red velvet?
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Red velvet is a waste of everyone's time. It's a
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: lot of coke. I mean, it's cocoa, but then a
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: ton of red dye.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: But does it taste Is it supposed to taste like
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: chocolate cake?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Is it a different place?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: That's a good question, because I think it doesn't taste
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: enough like chocolate, And yet does something weird to your
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: brain where you're like, I don't know what this is
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: supposed to taste like? Is this supposed to take tasting red? Yeah,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: and then then it has cream cheese frosting, which I
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: think is more of the flavor. I'm glad we've put that.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Left that in twenty twelve.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I haven't seen a lot of
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: red velvet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometime it took over for a period.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Of people were chomping down on red velvet and nobody
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: it was no one's favorite cake. No, no, it's not
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: just a ton.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Of red dye.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like something RFK would have a real issue.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he could do one useful thing, it's
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: an outlaw red velvet cake because you and I don't
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: understand that do one thing that's nice for us.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Well, you got none, correct, and that's fine.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: And what will happen to me?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: You're just gonna live with that shame? Okay, at it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: to the pile.
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  Speaker 2: Guilty as shamed, thoughtful talented. That's the acronym I say
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: to my therapist that I think about myself guilty as shamed,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: thoughtful talented. You can definitely take that gat.
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  Speaker 3: Analise now has their own gift or a curse and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: we're going to speak to this. Analise will name a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: thing and we each have to say it and then
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: they have their answer. Analise gift or a curse.
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  Speaker 4: When someone replaces your toilet paper but puts it the
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  Speaker 4: wrong side up?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Do you want to go? Or should I go?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: You go?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: I think that's a gift. I don't understand this. I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: truly don't understand that anyone has a preference about where
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: the toilet paper should which direction it should go. Yeah,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: I have never noticed, oh this is the wrong way.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't. It's a role and I it can
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: go one or the other way. It's not that confusing. Yeah,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: So I think it's a gift. I think, ever, anyone
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: that has an issue with this finds something else to
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  Speaker 3: complain about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think they're all sort of walking curses everyone
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  Speaker 2: who has a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I just think this is it's an invented issue.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well you said gift.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a gift, and I think that people
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: need to.
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  Speaker 2: Quit complain it the gift because they can find out
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: why they're so uptight. Yeah, and that's a gift to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: take with them. Right, I'm have to go. Curse, So
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I can say the opposite from my competitive spirit, and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's a curse because how have we not
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five found just a different way of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: toilet papering, like a different sort of maybe dispenser, a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: different like less. I don't know. There have been a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: lot of innovations in a lot of different industries, and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: toilet paper is one of those that is really I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: think stayed.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: It's a perfect product.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Oh you think it hasn't because it's perfect, and I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: think it needs to evolve. I'm not sure what. I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: don't have any suggestions, but I think some of the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: greatest minds in our in our world can maybe think
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: about toilet paper. And I know in other countries they
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: do the bidet.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, every other country basically on the planet.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: So maybe that maybe kind of coming back.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Into the United States, I think coming back.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's used to occur in it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Or maybe not coming back or finally, I read an
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: article about it recently, like why Americans have a problem
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: with bidets.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And see, now that's kind of an issue with where
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: journalism is that someone's like I got to read an article.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: On a lease. What do you think it's a curse.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, it's a curse.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Cut their mic.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: Their no, I'm in control now, okay, cut your own mic. So,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: first of all, there is a correct way. There is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: a correct way, but that's not that That isn't the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: issue here. The issue here for me is that if
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: you have the access to my toilet paper and you're
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: replacing it, either you've had to like walk out of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: the bathroom without pants on and grab toilet paper from
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: my cupboard or something, right, you're like rifling through my thing. Sure,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: or now you've replaced the toilet Maybe I had toilet
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: paper in the bathroom ready to go like backups, and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: you've replaced it the wrong way. Now I have more
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: work to do.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: What is the correct way?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Top?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: It's on the top.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with me that there could be innovation?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: There should be innovation?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: I think that you know. I agree in the sense
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: that one. I think that you know it's one of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: those untapped markets that clearly has more room to grow
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: and to I agree with you just so that I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: can disagree with Bridger.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: We've got to get something for me to pull the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: plug in here. Put that on your list anyway. Okay,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: we need to answer a listener question people are writing
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: in to answer or sending voicemail voice notes to I
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: said no gifts at gmail dot com. The voice note
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: listener has to be sixty seconds or under and has
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: to be in a quiet place. I believe you can
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: do that. What are we going to do? On aali sore?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Were listening to a voice note?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Hello Bridger and disrespectful guest. My name is Sarah. I'm
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: hoping for some advice. My sibling and I both work
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: in professional theater across the country from each other, and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: my sibling is about to embark on their first national
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: tour as part of the crew, and the whole family
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: is literally buzzing. I'm so excited for them. I work
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: as a local and wardrobe crew at a theater where
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: touring companies come through, so I know from meeting those
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: folks that most of them don't want to schlep an
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: unnecessary amount of stuff with them from city to city.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: My sibling show is going to be in my area
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: around Christmas, though, so I'm trying to come up with
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: the perfect tour appropriate gift for them. Bridger, I know
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: that Jim is a performer, so you might have some
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: insight into what kinds of experiences or things that a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: person on tour might want or need. My best thoughts
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: so far is just to take them to a nice
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: dinner while they're in my area. But I'd love to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: know if you have any better ideas, and I thank
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: you so much.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Love the show by Okay, but an interesting family that everyone's.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in their genes, it's in the blood to tour.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: They're all running from something, not a not a great family.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: You know, they hate each other. They're all dodging cities
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: and they've got.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: To be on stage or behind the stage, something with
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: wardrobe and.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Control issues or attention. Sure, sure, interesting And now they're
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: having this confrontation during the holiday.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Beth situation is not the one.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Where one Macbeth is with the evil wife, right.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: You think about evil wives? Do you think all women
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: in theater are evil? I think women in general are
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: church sure, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: But lady Macbeth is very oh yeah, she's pulling the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: strings little. But these two siblings are running into each
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: other during the holidays. They probably don't want to. And
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: now this sibling is saying, maybe I'll take the sibling
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: out to burger king, but might want some other ideas.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: What do you give someone who's traveling all the time,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: who might have to pick up in the middle of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: the night and.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Go a boomerang because it always comes back.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Some sort of weapon, yes, I think, yeah, maybe the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: siblings out on the road, the open road, and they
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: might have to defend themselves at some point, some sort
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: of knife, hunting knife, sure, switch blade they can hide
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: in their back pocket.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Actually, now I'm thinking one of those multi.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Tools, like a Swiss Army knife.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Swiss Army knife autho.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: They always have, like a nail clipper and.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: A knife is very gay, isn't it. I'm just getting
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: too that it's like a manicure kid.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Well, in the Boy Scouts in my neighborhood, Boy did
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: they love showing their manicured kids around.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just we're getting into something there with the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Swiss army knife. Interesting. You can aisle your nails, you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: can clip your.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Nails, you can open your sprite.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: You can open your sprite.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, weapon would be nice. A canteen a canteen.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Interesting, you're really picturing this person kind of in a
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Mad Max situation.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: You're just like going like you go on tour, you
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: know when you have those like a stick and then
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: your pillowcase tied and that's.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Where you'd a bindle.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: That's what that's called.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Somebody needs to disrupt the bindle industry.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why have we not seen like purses
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: on the on the designer runways as bindle.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: That feels like something that that's an untapped cat.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I just keep thinking of this, like they're they're touring
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: there on the open.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Road, right, They're like essentially on the back of a Harley. Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: And therefore, you know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: You ever try to run away when you're a kid,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: and you always got just like down to the end
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: of the street.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I would get up the hill and then
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I would open and then realize I had brought like
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: one cupcake.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I had to open get to the top of thehill
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: waiting for someone to come find me.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Painting.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So without a passive aggressive attention, instead of being
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: like you hurt my feelings, you didn't pay attention to.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Me, It's like I'll show, I'll show you.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: And I still do that in my day to day.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Several people think you're missing, right, there's a search party.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Looking for because my students won't answer questions. I'm like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I'm leaving.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: They're like, good, well, yeah, I think a weapon and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: a bindle that'll get this sibling on a new path certainly.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you heard the competitive spirit between them, the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: sibling rivalry, Like the two of us can't be touring
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: theater company people.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: So you're kind of suggesting a knife fight perhaps, interesting,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: a Christmas knife fight perhaps, Yeah, a succession type sort of.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: I think I could bring them together ultimately. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I think that's you've got your question. I don't know
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: what more you could ask for. Do not send any
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: more voice notes to me and tell your sibling they're welcome.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: We answered the question perfectly.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I now have this gorgeous piece of art you are
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: just throwing away. Larry did such a great trip.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I wish that he had signed it.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I have a Larry Silverberg sort of original.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: And the next time I see you, I will be
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: giving you a book to read. Okay, I'll get a book,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: maybe two, maybe some poker chips.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Poker chips. While you're enriching my life in a way
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: that no one else has ever done.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I want you to be coming to Jenner Gambler.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Good luck, yeah, yeah, well, thank you for being here,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: thank you for having me listener. The podcast is over.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: I have I think I've said everything I need to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: say to you for today, So get moving. I love you, goodbye.
• 1:09:47
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• 1:09:51
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• 1:09:54
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• 1:09:58
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• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:05
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• 1:10:07
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• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: And don't you want to see the gifts?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: The lie in why did you hear?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Thought? I made myself perfectly clear. But you're a guest
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: to me. You gotta come to me empty, And I said,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: no guests, you're our presences, presents enough I already had
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: me