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- 0:00Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Friday Night Special Crime Stories.
- 0:11Speaker 1: The Colorado Dentist aka the Porny Dentist case goes to
- 0:16Speaker 1: a jury and a verdict as the haunting final words
- 0:23Speaker 1: of his wife, a dying mother of six comes before
- 0:28Speaker 1: the jury as four mistresses testify at his murder trial.
- 0:35Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
- 0:37Speaker 1: thank you for being with us this Friday Night. A
- 0:40Speaker 1: Colorado murder trial jury hears the haunting last words of
- 0:45Speaker 1: a mother of six as she died in her hospital bed,
- 0:50Speaker 1: and they were why do I heart Angela? The mother
- 0:57Speaker 1: of six, was declared brain dead after bring mystery symptoms
- 1:01Speaker 1: that started ten days before. According to prosecutors, the dentist
- 1:06Speaker 1: Craig poisoned her protein shakes and secretly fed her deadly
- 1:12Speaker 1: doses of cyanide, arsenic and more, including the chemical found
- 1:16Speaker 1: in eye drops.
- 1:18Speaker 2: Ultimately killing her.
- 1:21Speaker 1: Also, this jury heard about a slew of mistresses, one
- 1:27Speaker 1: after the next, after the next, after the next. Her
- 1:29Speaker 1: family ultimately told all brain activity had ceased.
- 1:36Speaker 3: Now.
- 1:36Speaker 2: On the eighth, the day of the.
- 1:38Speaker 1: Trial, testimony kicked off from mistress number four, her name
- 1:43Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gore, told the Arapaho County jury. She and the
- 1:48Speaker 1: porny dentist flew to Montana from Denver, just a few
- 1:54Speaker 1: weeks after they met on a quote sugar dating site
- 1:59Speaker 1: called saking dot com. Another so called sugar baby Oh please,
- 2:07Speaker 1: testified the previous day that would have been day seven.
- 2:10Speaker 1: Then he also took her to Montana. After a third
- 2:15Speaker 1: mistress testified, Craig bought her daughter a nine thousand dollars car.
- 2:24Speaker 1: All the mistresses agree that Craig was unhappy in his marriage,
- 2:27Speaker 1: but claimed a divorce would financially destroy him.
- 2:31Speaker 2: You know what else will destroy you?
- 2:34Speaker 1: Trips skiing with all of your many mistresses and buying
- 2:38Speaker 1: them cars for their daughter.
- 2:41Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll break you to man.
- 2:43Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure the juriot had just about enough of
- 2:47Speaker 1: him for mistress's my rear end. What more do we
- 2:51Speaker 1: know about the so called porny dentist?
- 2:55Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Jackie Howard.
- 2:58Speaker 4: The lead up to James Craig trial has been bizarre.
- 3:02Speaker 4: Two postponements, three different attorney teams, five added charges, and
- 3:06Speaker 4: a crazy action from an attorney who allegedly set his
- 3:10Speaker 4: own house on fire. Still, the auroradendus trial finally got
- 3:14Speaker 4: under way yesterday. Hundreds of potential jurors were in centennials
- 3:19Speaker 4: a Rapahoe County Justice Center, filling out questionnaires and being
- 3:23Speaker 4: questioned by attorneys. Forty six year old Craig faces six
- 3:27Speaker 4: felony counts murder in the first degree, two counts of
- 3:30Speaker 4: solicitation to commit tampering with physical evidence, three counts of
- 3:35Speaker 4: solicitation to commit perjury in the first degree. Court documents
- 3:39Speaker 4: show that Craig jailed on a murder charge of his wife, Angela.
- 3:43Speaker 4: Craig still allegedly worked to convince inmates, a former mistress,
- 3:48Speaker 4: and even one of his own children to tamper with evidence,
- 3:51Speaker 4: to plant it to make it look like Angela Craig
- 3:55Speaker 4: wanted to kill herself. Prosecutors say James Craig even made
- 3:59Speaker 4: a botched murder for higher attempt on the cases lead
- 4:02Speaker 4: detective just before a second attempt at trial last year,
- 4:07Speaker 4: Craig allegedly offered people cash and dental work in return
- 4:11Speaker 4: for a cover up. Craig insists he ordered poison because
- 4:15Speaker 4: his wife asked.
- 4:16Speaker 1: Him to what happened to the must just say frisky
- 4:21Speaker 1: dentist who had begun yet another sex affair behind his
- 4:25Speaker 1: wife's back, clearly not his first, and this with a
- 4:29Speaker 1: fellow dental worker, a Texas orthodonist. The dentist accused of
- 4:33Speaker 1: poisoning his wife shakes with cyanide and a chemical.
- 4:37Speaker 2: That is found in eye drops.
- 4:40Speaker 1: Wow, if he put as much thought into fixing his
- 4:45Speaker 1: marriage as he did and to how to murder his wife,
- 4:50Speaker 1: that probably be the happiest couple on earth. That said,
- 4:53Speaker 1: what do we know about what happened to Angela Craig
- 4:57Speaker 1: take a listen to this.
- 4:58Speaker 3: After multiple reason hospital visits, Angela again checked into a
- 5:02Speaker 3: hospital Wednesday morning, complaining of a severe headache in dizziness.
- 5:06Speaker 3: Around two pm, she had a seizure, her condition rapidly declining,
- 5:11Speaker 3: doctors moving her to the ICU, where she was put
- 5:13Speaker 3: on life support before passing away.
- 5:16Speaker 1: Saturday, joining me an all star panel to make sense
- 5:18Speaker 1: of what we are learning This mom of six six
- 5:23Speaker 1: and she's still really young as well. Apparently, you know,
- 5:28Speaker 1: college sweethearts fall in love, they get married and immediately
- 5:31Speaker 1: start having children. That's how mom this young can have
- 5:34Speaker 1: six children already.
- 5:36Speaker 2: And I don't get it.
- 5:37Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's host
- 5:40Speaker 1: of the podcast Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor
- 5:44Speaker 1: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,
- 5:50Speaker 1: I've done all this investigation and research and I learned
- 5:53Speaker 1: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds The Bizarre
- 5:58Speaker 1: Case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to just
- 6:01Speaker 1: start with this young mom, Angela suddenly developed all these symptoms.
- 6:08Speaker 1: Nobody can figure out what's wrong with her, and she
- 6:12Speaker 1: just bam dies. Now tell me about her original sentence,
- 6:18Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs Nancy.
- 6:19Speaker 5: She got incredibly sick and it wasn't just one time
- 6:24Speaker 5: in the hospital. It was multiple times that she was
- 6:29Speaker 5: feeling nauseous, that she just didn't feel something was right,
- 6:32Speaker 5: severe headaches, and she went to a local hospital. The
- 6:37Speaker 5: first time to the er, it was discharged, and then
- 6:42Speaker 5: went to the same hospital like a week later.
- 6:46Speaker 6: It was a.
- 6:47Speaker 1: Step Stephan, hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want to
- 6:50Speaker 1: go straight out to our shrink.
- 6:52Speaker 2: Joining us.
- 6:52Speaker 1: In addition to incredible panel of guests joining me, Doctor
- 6:56Speaker 1: Chevron Scott, psychotherapist off of the Minds of mass Killers.
- 7:03Speaker 1: So much more, Doctor Chavon, thank you for being with us.
- 7:06Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how women's symptoms just get discounted.
- 7:12Speaker 2: They come in.
- 7:13Speaker 1: I'm nauseous, I feel dizzy, I've got this severe headache,
- 7:16Speaker 1: and they're like, oh.
- 7:17Speaker 2: You're fine.
- 7:18Speaker 4: Bye.
- 7:19Speaker 2: You have been called over and over to Angela. What
- 7:22Speaker 2: is it? Are all women quote hysterical?
- 7:25Speaker 7: Yeah, there's even something called the w W syndrome, and
- 7:30Speaker 7: that stands for whiney women, and medical doctors have been
- 7:34Speaker 7: known to talk about the women.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Wait, wait, head blowing off right now?
- 7:43Speaker 2: The w W syndrome? Is that what you just said? Yeah, yeah,
- 7:48Speaker 2: whiney woman.
- 7:48Speaker 7: Yeah, I've read some women doctors have written books about
- 7:52Speaker 7: this problem in the medical profession where women are just
- 7:55Speaker 7: dismissed and not taken seriously.
- 7:57Speaker 1: Okay, I've got so much to say about but it
- 8:01Speaker 1: will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman, angela mother
- 8:06Speaker 1: of six, Okay, back to you. Stephan Tubbs joining me,
- 8:12Speaker 1: has research and investigated this case. Just to the detail. Stephan, So,
- 8:18Speaker 1: she had headaches, a severe headache. I think from what
- 8:22Speaker 1: I recall, that's what really made her decide to go
- 8:26Speaker 1: to the hospital. She was having nausea and felt dizzy,
- 8:29Speaker 1: but it was the headaches. I think she was worried
- 8:32Speaker 1: that she was having a stroke because the headache was
- 8:34Speaker 1: so severe.
- 8:35Speaker 5: Yeah, she was very very ill. She was very, very
- 8:37Speaker 5: concerned about her own health and safety. This is a
- 8:40Speaker 5: mother of six. Not all of the children were inside
- 8:43Speaker 5: the home, but she's incredibly sick and wondering how the
- 8:47Speaker 5: hell she got sick.
- 8:48Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
- 8:49Speaker 1: My stomach feels fine, although at one point she said
- 8:52Speaker 1: she had nausea, But my head feels funny and dizzy,
- 8:55Speaker 1: very strange.
- 8:57Speaker 2: I'm dizzy. My eyes don't want to focus.
- 8:59Speaker 1: I don't feel right in my No, this is just weird.
- 9:01Speaker 1: I'm dizzy in my head. My eyes are working slowly,
- 9:04Speaker 1: my body's responding slowly.
- 9:06Speaker 2: I feel drugged.
- 9:08Speaker 1: Response from husband, the family man, Dennis, Given our history,
- 9:11Speaker 1: I know that must be triggering. Just for the record,
- 9:14Speaker 1: I didn't drug you. Whoa okay, as Shakespeare said me.
- 9:20Speaker 2: Thanks.
- 9:20Speaker 1: That does protest too much, you know, like when a
- 9:23Speaker 1: cop walks by and.
- 9:24Speaker 2: Go, I don't have drugs on me. Anyway, Let's get
- 9:28Speaker 2: back to it. Listen.
- 9:28Speaker 8: She was complaining of having a really nasty headache. She
- 9:33Speaker 8: was also complaining about her eyesight. She was having trouble focusing.
- 9:37Speaker 8: She said that she felt tingly. She said that she
- 9:40Speaker 8: felt cold. She's concerned that it could be a sinus infection,
- 9:45Speaker 8: and then there's some conversation about maybe she's diabetic. No
- 9:49Speaker 8: one is able to find an answer or what is
- 9:53Speaker 8: causing this otherwise healthy mother of six to be feeling
- 9:57Speaker 8: these horrendous symptoms. She goes back a few days later,
- 10:01Speaker 8: March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, HEADI, even some vomiting. Again,
- 10:08Speaker 8: the doctors can't figure out which wrong with her. They
- 10:11Speaker 8: send her home, and then when she goes back for
- 10:13Speaker 8: a third time, that's when she's checked in on. Her
- 10:17Speaker 8: condition deteriorate quickly, and there.
- 10:20Speaker 1: You see doctor Chevon Scott with us who just dropped
- 10:24Speaker 1: a Bombshelle mommie about the WW syndrome, whiny woman syndrome.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Now we're on round three. Okay, she's at the hospital
- 10:35Speaker 1: a third time. They keep sending her home and sending
- 10:38Speaker 1: her home. Now she codes. I guess that means code
- 10:43Speaker 1: read or whatever they call it in the hospital when
- 10:45Speaker 1: you're dying.
- 10:46Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 10:46Speaker 7: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman
- 10:50Speaker 7: to be in with no explanation. It's hard to imagine
- 10:54Speaker 7: how frightened she must have been.
- 10:55Speaker 1: Eric Fattu is joining me, high profile trial lawyer, TV
- 10:59Speaker 1: Legal analysts founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal, former felony prosecutor.
- 11:07Speaker 2: Eric. Don't you just hate.
- 11:09Speaker 1: It when you're own client who's not charged with anything,
- 11:12Speaker 1: out of the blue said I didn't drug you, Because
- 11:15Speaker 1: that's what he said.
- 11:17Speaker 2: Nobody said he did drug anybody, and.
- 11:19Speaker 1: All of a sudden he goes, just, FYI, I didn't
- 11:22Speaker 1: drug you. If my husband said FYI, I didn't drug you,
- 11:27Speaker 1: I'm going to need a defense attorney because who would
- 11:29Speaker 1: jump up and say that unless they drug the wife?
- 11:33Speaker 9: I hear you.
- 11:34Speaker 10: I mean, it's a curious statement, certainly suspicious in the
- 11:37Speaker 10: eyes of many, you know. On the other hand, I
- 11:39Speaker 10: think his defense is going to argue that the marriage
- 11:41Speaker 10: was on the rocks, things were tense, things were dicey,
- 11:44Speaker 10: and so you know, people say things that in the
- 11:46Speaker 10: heat of an event like this, that that's certainly to
- 11:49Speaker 10: be triggering for both parties. But yeah, the gravity of
- 11:53Speaker 10: the statement and sort of it coming out of nowhere
- 11:55Speaker 10: is not lost on triggering.
- 11:58Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know how that got popular
- 12:00Speaker 1: triggering for both parties? Are you telling me? He the
- 12:04Speaker 1: dentist is triggered. What are you talking about? Why she's dead? Okay,
- 12:10Speaker 1: why are you talking about him getting triggered?
- 12:12Speaker 5: This conversation proceeded the death.
- 12:13Speaker 10: What I was saying is that, you know, when the
- 12:16Speaker 10: relationship is super rocky, sometimes when there are serious medical
- 12:20Speaker 10: events that come up, or just serious life events, those
- 12:22Speaker 10: things can be can add to the to the tenseness
- 12:25Speaker 10: of the situation, the stress of the situation, and he
- 12:27Speaker 10: could have been experiencing distress as well, and sometimes things come.
- 12:31Speaker 1: Out rocky rocky. That's what you call a string of
- 12:35Speaker 1: mistresses rocky. That's more like an earthquake.
- 12:39Speaker 10: It is a serious event which just could have further
- 12:42Speaker 10: been destabilizing for the relationship when something serious happens, when
- 12:45Speaker 10: when your spouse is sick, I think defense is going
- 12:48Speaker 10: to argue that, hey, things were really distressing, yours heightened emotionality,
- 12:52Speaker 10: and sometimes people just say things that's at least some defense,
- 12:56Speaker 10: so likely for him.
- 12:56Speaker 2: Who is this guy?
- 12:59Speaker 11: My name is doctor Jim Craig and I practice as
- 13:02Speaker 11: a Summerbrook dental group. My approach to dentistry begins with
- 13:06Speaker 11: sincerely listening to the patient and wanting to find out
- 13:10Speaker 11: more about where they're coming from, and what they're looking
- 13:12Speaker 11: for and what they want.
- 13:13Speaker 1: That's from the official Summerbrook Dentistry Facebook page.
- 13:18Speaker 2: I want to go straight out.
- 13:19Speaker 1: To Feel Waters, former homicide detective from the Houston PD
- 13:25Speaker 1: President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations and Security, Phil. I know
- 13:33Speaker 1: that Eric Fattis is going to turn purple and tell
- 13:37Speaker 1: me this means nothing. But when your husband, the dentist
- 13:42Speaker 1: who sits on one of those little roly chairs all
- 13:44Speaker 1: day long, suddenly starts working out and developing interests in
- 13:49Speaker 1: getting sprayed hands, you better pay attention.
- 13:53Speaker 9: What's going on dan homicide. Of course, we'd call that
- 13:55Speaker 9: a clue to watch his behavior and the things that
- 14:01Speaker 9: he's doing there. I mean, I guess in isolation for
- 14:05Speaker 9: that setting, he appears to be a very attentive dentist
- 14:09Speaker 9: and he's really into what he's doing, and he's trying
- 14:12Speaker 9: to entertain his clients, his patients as well as do
- 14:17Speaker 9: the proper dental work on them. So in that particular setting,
- 14:22Speaker 9: it does look like if, of course we don't know
- 14:24Speaker 9: what the timeline here is, but if he's been hitting
- 14:28Speaker 9: the gym and doing some things that are trying to
- 14:33Speaker 9: get his physique in a better shape. That might be
- 14:36Speaker 9: an indicator, of course, to his wife in a general
- 14:41Speaker 9: sense that are you doing this for me or are
- 14:44Speaker 9: you doing this for some other purpose?
- 14:46Speaker 1: Okay, take a look at this fattest and that's from
- 14:48Speaker 1: the summer Brook Dentistry facebook page. Just where we're getting that.
- 14:52Speaker 1: Do you see somebody's pumping iron in the gym all
- 14:54Speaker 1: of a sudden?
- 14:55Speaker 10: If he does, look a little jack there. Defense is
- 14:57Speaker 10: going to say, so what, Everyone's allowed to take care
- 15:00Speaker 10: of their own health. That's the homicide detective just said.
- 15:02Speaker 10: Maybe he was taking care of himself to sort of
- 15:05Speaker 10: rekindle the flame with his wife at the time. We
- 15:07Speaker 10: just don't know, but but yeah, I mean, even if
- 15:10Speaker 10: the relationship was on the rocks and he was preparing
- 15:13Speaker 10: for something new, that's not a crime.
- 15:15Speaker 3: When Angela is admitted to the hospital for the third
- 15:18Speaker 3: time in two weeks, James Craig only stops at the
- 15:21Speaker 3: hospital for half an hour before going out to get
- 15:23Speaker 3: food for his wife. Craig returns an hour and a
- 15:27Speaker 3: half later and goes into Angela's room alone.
- 15:30Speaker 2: Just a few minutes.
- 15:31Speaker 3: Later, Angela has a severe seizure in her vitals, crash
- 15:35Speaker 3: While hospital staff attempt to revive Angela, Craig takes photos
- 15:38Speaker 3: of his own conscious wife. Angela is stabilized with the
- 15:42Speaker 3: ventilator but declared brain dead.
- 15:44Speaker 1: Takes photos of his wife before we go to a
- 15:49Speaker 1: renowned physician and biomedical engineer, doctor Ernest Shiodo. Let me
- 15:55Speaker 1: go back to Stephan Tubbs, host of Arsenic Dds.
- 16:00Speaker 2: Stephan, why is he taking pictures.
- 16:03Speaker 1: Of his wife as she's dying and they're desperately trying
- 16:08Speaker 1: to resuscitate her and she's got all kind of tubes
- 16:11Speaker 1: in her?
- 16:11Speaker 2: Well, what happened?
- 16:12Speaker 5: He's at the foot of the bed and it's almost
- 16:15Speaker 5: as if he's almost halfway out of that room. Nancy,
- 16:17Speaker 5: it was bizarre to see for the first time, But
- 16:20Speaker 5: this is really the goodbye. I think he was taking
- 16:23Speaker 5: it for some of her family that were not in town.
- 16:26Speaker 5: She has a huge family. They mostly primarily live in Utah,
- 16:30Speaker 5: but he was there. He then calls the business partner
- 16:34Speaker 5: and his wife. They had all done things as couples before,
- 16:38Speaker 5: and this was the goodbye when she was coding out
- 16:40Speaker 5: at CU Health and it was there that, to me,
- 16:45Speaker 5: the entire Domino started to fall.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Speaking of Domino's falling to doctor Ernest Schaioto, not only physician,
- 16:54Speaker 1: but attorney, biomedical engineer, toxicologist, and author of talks tort,
- 17:01Speaker 1: medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Chayoto, thank you for joining us.
- 17:06Speaker 1: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've
- 17:11Speaker 1: been in a lot of sick rooms and even death rooms.
- 17:16Speaker 1: Do you not find that bizarre that he is taking
- 17:19Speaker 1: pictures of his wife as she's coding out, in other words,
- 17:23Speaker 1: as hospital personnel are furiously trying to save her life,
- 17:28Speaker 1: and he's taking pictures.
- 17:30Speaker 6: Entirely unusual?
- 17:31Speaker 2: Yes, doctor Shayoto.
- 17:34Speaker 1: Have you ever seen someone take photos of their wife
- 17:38Speaker 1: while they're trying to resuscitate her and bring her back
- 17:41Speaker 1: to life, you know, pounding on her chest, using those
- 17:44Speaker 1: electrical stimulators on her chest. Everybody's screaming, everybody's rushing into
- 17:51Speaker 1: the room, and he's in the corner taking pictures.
- 17:53Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that happen, doctor Shaoto? No, I
- 17:56Speaker 2: haven't either, and I have.
- 17:58Speaker 1: Investigated, prosecuted, and covered. I can't even count the number
- 18:06Speaker 1: of deaths and homicides.
- 18:08Speaker 2: To doctor chevon Scott, I'm right there.
- 18:13Speaker 1: As Stephan Tubbs said, that was when the weirdness was
- 18:20Speaker 1: marked and noted when he was taking picture. I don't
- 18:23Speaker 1: care what he says this is to send to her
- 18:26Speaker 1: extended family. That's bs technical legal term. What does that mean?
- 18:33Speaker 1: I mean, I know something's wrong with it, but I
- 18:36Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
- 18:37Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a puzzle to me as well, because it
- 18:41Speaker 7: seems so out of the normal range of human behavior.
- 18:44Speaker 7: None of us can put ourselves in that situation and
- 18:47Speaker 7: imagine that we'd be picking up a camera.
- 18:48Speaker 2: As our loved one was dying. So what in the
- 18:52Speaker 2: world was he doing.
- 18:53Speaker 7: I don't know that I have a good answer for that,
- 18:55Speaker 7: but it's definitely a red flag.
- 18:57Speaker 12: While his wife, Angela is fighting for her life the hospital,
- 19:00Speaker 12: her devoted husband is emailing his mistress. James told her
- 19:04Speaker 12: something had happened to Angela, and she responded with how
- 19:08Speaker 12: sorry she was for him and that she wished she
- 19:10Speaker 12: was helping him, not pulling him away. She stated she
- 19:14Speaker 12: knew it had to be so hard what he was
- 19:16Speaker 12: going through, and that she wanted to be there for him,
- 19:18Speaker 12: but did not want to mix with his family and
- 19:20Speaker 12: friends and pretend to be only a friend when there
- 19:24Speaker 12: was something more.
- 19:25Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's so hard.
- 19:26Speaker 1: On a mistress when she has to pretend to just
- 19:30Speaker 1: be friends in front of his wife. I hate when
- 19:33Speaker 1: that happens. Fattest, What do you have to say to that?
- 19:36Speaker 1: What about when a jury hears about him while his
- 19:39Speaker 1: wife is lying there dying, he's emailing his mistress, his hottie,
- 19:46Speaker 1: and she says, I.
- 19:48Speaker 2: Can't take it.
- 19:48Speaker 1: I can't stand to act like we're just friends, but
- 19:50Speaker 1: we're so much more. Has everybody lost their minds?
- 19:55Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic. It's going to be difficult
- 19:58Speaker 10: to neutralize for the defense, you know, I think that
- 20:00Speaker 10: they might consider something like, you know, there have been
- 20:03Speaker 10: instances where even a person's wife has like giving them
- 20:07Speaker 10: an organ. You know that there's this is like that,
- 20:10Speaker 10: and then there's still in fidelity. There is still cheating
- 20:13Speaker 10: human beings to do underhanded stuff. They do stuff that
- 20:16Speaker 10: is surprising that it's hard to understand, and I think
- 20:19Speaker 10: that that could.
- 20:20Speaker 5: Be what was going on here, and that.
- 20:22Speaker 9: Could be help.
- 20:22Speaker 5: The defense posters it to the Jersey.
- 20:24Speaker 2: But you know there's another whole thing there.
- 20:26Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment to a doctor chauven Scott,
- 20:29Speaker 1: many women would tell not me, but many women would
- 20:33Speaker 1: tell you I'd rather my husband just go have sex
- 20:36Speaker 1: with somebody than to actually fall in love. I mean
- 20:40Speaker 1: if my husband did either one. Basically, it's open marriage,
- 20:46Speaker 1: open casket, bam.
- 20:48Speaker 2: That says it all.
- 20:49Speaker 1: But some women would prefer the husband, if they're going
- 20:51Speaker 1: to do anything, to just go have sex with somebody
- 20:54Speaker 1: wham bam done, as opposed to falling in love with someone.
- 21:01Speaker 1: Can you explain that odd sentiment?
- 21:03Speaker 7: The difference between having that kind of deep attachment with somebody,
- 21:07Speaker 7: I guess would be the love and so yeah, there
- 21:11Speaker 7: are even people who have very open marriages where sexual
- 21:16Speaker 7: exploits outside of the relationship are absolutely fine, But the
- 21:20Speaker 7: idea is that you always have your primary emotional bond
- 21:23Speaker 7: with your partner.
- 21:26Speaker 13: Colorado mom of six, Angela Craig spends the month of
- 21:29Speaker 13: March in and out of hospitals complaining of strange symptoms
- 21:33Speaker 13: for which doctors seem to have no answers. Meanwhile, her
- 21:36Speaker 13: dentist husband is receiving my sterious packages to his office.
- 21:43Speaker 1: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stefan
- 21:47Speaker 1: Tubbs refer to Domino's began to fall.
- 21:50Speaker 2: Well, here they go listen.
- 21:52Speaker 14: Still in the parking lot after visiting Angela in the hospital.
- 21:55Speaker 14: Ryan Redforn gets a call from James Craig, his partner
- 21:58Speaker 14: in Summerbrook. As Craig's starts to ask Redfern if he
- 22:01Speaker 14: had said anything to Angela's nurses, Redferd cuts him off,
- 22:04Speaker 14: saying he told the nurses about the package Craig received
- 22:08Speaker 14: at the office. Craig says the package contained a ring
- 22:11Speaker 14: for Angela, but Redfern replies, it's not a ring. We
- 22:14Speaker 14: know what's in there.
- 22:16Speaker 3: After their phone call, James Craig sends Ryan Redfern a
- 22:19Speaker 3: flurry of angry texts, accusing him of creating huge problems
- 22:23Speaker 3: by getting police involved without talking to him first.
- 22:26Speaker 2: Craig tells Redfern, if.
- 22:28Speaker 3: He really is a friend, he and the remaining office
- 22:30Speaker 3: employees will not speak with cops anymore.
- 22:33Speaker 1: He's red flag when somebody says, don't talk to the cop.
- 22:42Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
- 22:48Speaker 1: In the Last Days, a jury hands down a verdict
- 22:51Speaker 1: and let me tell you right now, I saved it
- 22:53Speaker 1: for Friday night because it is a Friday Night special guilty.
- 22:58Speaker 2: Guilty. Prosecutors argued the dentists poured.
- 23:02Speaker 1: His wife smoothies and other drinks full of syinide arsenic
- 23:08Speaker 1: and the chemical found in eye drops is called tetra
- 23:11Speaker 1: hyghdrasylen tetra high drasolen. Now, remember the jury heard from
- 23:17Speaker 1: four mistresses, and you know that's got to be the
- 23:21Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. Those are four that we know of,
- 23:25Speaker 1: you know, listen to this. Witnesses also testified at trial
- 23:30Speaker 1: that Craig, the dentist this way everybody hates dentists, asked
- 23:35Speaker 1: his teen daughter to fabricate a deep fake exonerating him
- 23:42Speaker 1: by showing her own mother asking him for poison, as
- 23:48Speaker 1: well as a former salmate who said the dentists ordered
- 23:50Speaker 1: hits on the lead detective from behind bars.
- 23:54Speaker 2: What is wrong with this man? Is he at all
- 23:58Speaker 2: self aware? Does he even know he's alive? Does he
- 24:02Speaker 2: even know what he has done?
- 24:03Speaker 1: Ordering a hit on the detective from behind bars, asking
- 24:07Speaker 1: his teen daughter to create a deep fake where her
- 24:11Speaker 1: dead mom asks for poison.
- 24:16Speaker 2: Oh, what more do we.
- 24:18Speaker 1: Know about the case? The dominoes begin to fall. What
- 24:23Speaker 1: about the dental practice partner?
- 24:25Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan Redford, some would consider him to be the
- 24:28Speaker 5: hero in this because he's the one that after the
- 24:31Speaker 5: phone call, and as you just outlined on the program.
- 24:35Speaker 5: He tells Jim via the cell phone. He says, Jim
- 24:38Speaker 5: stopped talking, get a lawyer to backtrack. We're talking about
- 24:43Speaker 5: arsenic that was allegedly purchased online. I mean, the computer
- 24:47Speaker 5: records at the dental practice were very easy for police investigators.
- 24:52Speaker 5: But it was the package of potassium cyani that was
- 24:55Speaker 5: delivered to the actual dentist's office opened by some you
- 25:00Speaker 5: know employee. She starts to go what is this potassium cyanide?
- 25:05Speaker 5: She literally sees the skull and crossbones on the packaging.
- 25:09Speaker 5: She looks it up. She clicks in her mind, wait
- 25:12Speaker 5: a minute, this is exactly these are the kinds of
- 25:14Speaker 5: symptoms that Angela Craig is experiencing. She then calls Redfern,
- 25:20Speaker 5: the partner, and that's how the domino starts to fall.
- 25:22Speaker 2: By joining me.
- 25:23Speaker 1: Doctor Ernest Toyoto, attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist, and author
- 25:29Speaker 1: of Toxic Tortue, Medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Toyoto explain
- 25:35Speaker 1: what the symptoms of that particular poison would be.
- 25:38Speaker 6: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyanide,
- 25:43Speaker 6: you just really have very rapid loss of blood pressure,
- 25:50Speaker 6: loss of consciousness, and very rapid depth, parsnick, you tend
- 25:56Speaker 6: to get peripheral neuropathy, get burning in your hands and feet.
- 26:02Speaker 6: It's more of a slow poison. It's really interesting. Is
- 26:07Speaker 6: a tetrahydral zoline, which is interestingly found in eye drops
- 26:15Speaker 6: to get the redness out of your eyes, what they
- 26:19Speaker 6: call an alpha agonist. It causes constriction of blood vessels
- 26:23Speaker 6: and that causes confusion, can cause loss of consciousness, coma,
- 26:33Speaker 6: and that sounds a lot more like the symptoms that
- 26:36Speaker 6: she was having in the hospital.
- 26:40Speaker 1: The wife, guys, we look carefully at the movements and
- 26:45Speaker 1: the actions leading up to her last hospitalization and what
- 26:51Speaker 1: led up to the previous two hospitalizations.
- 26:53Speaker 14: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or
- 26:55Speaker 14: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they
- 26:58Speaker 14: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies
- 27:01Speaker 14: for breakfast, while Angela delves into getting the kids ready
- 27:04Speaker 14: for the day.
- 27:05Speaker 8: We think he was using to poison angula over the
- 27:09Speaker 8: course of several weeks, actually incutting it in her protein shakes,
- 27:14Speaker 8: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when
- 27:17Speaker 8: she was complaining of sickness, dizziness, nauga. He was sort
- 27:20Speaker 8: of still encouraging her to drink the fluid.
- 27:23Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't
- 27:27Speaker 1: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten
- 27:30Speaker 1: stabilized and.
- 27:32Speaker 2: Then he goes out and comes.
- 27:34Speaker 1: Back and brings her food like a doating husband in
- 27:37Speaker 1: the hospital and suddenly she goes into seizures.
- 27:40Speaker 5: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital.
- 27:42Speaker 9: Remember three different times.
- 27:43Speaker 5: She was in the hospital, three different times. Reading the affidavit,
- 27:47Speaker 5: which reads like a bad Hollywood script, it looks like
- 27:52Speaker 5: investigators feel she is consistently being offered the food and
- 27:57Speaker 5: in primary fashion, the protein shakes while she's in And
- 28:02Speaker 5: keep in mind all of these text messages that are
- 28:04Speaker 5: going back and forth. Do you feel like a smoothie?
- 28:07Speaker 5: Is there anything I can bring you? And this goes
- 28:09Speaker 5: on for the better part of the month of March.
- 28:12Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, are you telling me he would email her
- 28:16Speaker 1: or text her in the hospital say can I bring
- 28:18Speaker 1: you a smoothie?
- 28:19Speaker 5: One thousand percent that is in the affidavit. I've seen
- 28:23Speaker 5: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital
- 28:27Speaker 5: three different times. There's text messaging. I mean dozens and
- 28:30Speaker 5: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back
- 28:33Speaker 5: and forth, do you feel like something? What do you
- 28:35Speaker 5: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was
- 28:38Speaker 5: usually in the form of a smoothie, And.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Then the other shoe drops listen.
- 28:43Speaker 4: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy
- 28:46Speaker 4: with additional toxicology screening test reveal the otherwise healthy mom
- 28:51Speaker 4: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrozolene,
- 28:55Speaker 4: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no
- 28:59Speaker 4: definitive evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide,
- 29:02Speaker 4: the test reveal her cyanide levels increased while she was
- 29:06Speaker 4: in the hospital.
- 29:07Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, her levels increased while she's in the hospital.
- 29:14Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in
- 29:17Speaker 5: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we
- 29:21Speaker 5: got wored and read the autopsy her levels of cyanide
- 29:25Speaker 5: increased while she's in the hospital. I mean to me,
- 29:29Speaker 5: it was and remains unprecedented. I've never heard a story
- 29:32Speaker 5: like that, and doctors didn't know again what they were
- 29:35Speaker 5: looking for, right, And it was just when the domino
- 29:37Speaker 5: started to fall, and people started to talk the business
- 29:40Speaker 5: partner that they started to look into. Wait a minute,
- 29:43Speaker 5: these are the signs of poisoning. And certainly we know
- 29:46Speaker 5: what the autopsy revealed.
- 29:47Speaker 1: But I mean, to me, Stephan, it would all blow
- 29:50Speaker 1: up when the dental assistant opens up a package and
- 29:54Speaker 1: it's cyanide.
- 29:55Speaker 5: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a
- 29:57Speaker 5: ring for Angela. I mean the kakamame. Many stories just
- 30:01Speaker 5: were over and over.
- 30:03Speaker 1: Here do you get cyanide? Stefan, You can just order
- 30:07Speaker 1: it up on Amazon? I mean, where do you get cyanide?
- 30:10Speaker 5: So one of the two there were purchase orders for
- 30:14Speaker 5: Amazon dot com, which was amazing. I can't believe it
- 30:17Speaker 5: was either cyanide or the potassium shie.
- 30:19Speaker 2: That was a joke. Are you serious? You can get
- 30:22Speaker 2: cyanide on Amazon?
- 30:24Speaker 5: There you go, right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm
- 30:26Speaker 5: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody
- 30:28Speaker 5: bezos arsenic? Ye, arsenic? Yeah? And then look at this packs.
- 30:36Speaker 1: Left inside residence's mailbox. So I guess he thought he
- 30:40Speaker 1: was being super smart by having it delivered to the
- 30:44Speaker 1: dentist office so his wife wouldn't find the arsenic. Right,
- 30:49Speaker 1: don't open this okay, So what happens Stephan when the
- 30:53Speaker 1: dental assistant opens up a box and it's arsenic?
- 30:56Speaker 5: I think her eyes about bugged out of her head,
- 30:57Speaker 5: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.
- 31:01Speaker 5: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed
- 31:04Speaker 5: to open that. Well, gts out of the bag. She
- 31:07Speaker 5: sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again puts
- 31:10Speaker 5: the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She calls
- 31:14Speaker 5: doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig, and says, uh,
- 31:18Speaker 5: you got a package here, and then that's where you
- 31:21Speaker 5: pass forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,
- 31:25Speaker 5: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?
- 31:29Speaker 5: And of course the lie was, oh, that's really it's
- 31:33Speaker 5: a gift. It was it was a ring for Angela.
- 31:36Speaker 5: Well there was no ring inside.
- 31:37Speaker 1: Doctor Ernest Scioto joining us a renowned physician and lawyer
- 31:41Speaker 1: and author. Doctor Chiyoto, she couldn't taste something odd in
- 31:47Speaker 1: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide
- 31:52Speaker 1: tastes like.
- 31:53Speaker 6: Arsk is gonna taste sort of him a dialet sort
- 31:57Speaker 6: of taste or is cyanide really wouldn't Sometimes it is
- 32:05Speaker 6: in order of bitter almonds, So whether or not she
- 32:12Speaker 6: could taste the artsnake or cyanide would really be a
- 32:16Speaker 6: matter of how much was in the shape. His small amount,
- 32:19Speaker 6: you may not taste it.
- 32:20Speaker 8: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.
- 32:23Speaker 8: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,
- 32:26Speaker 8: the one that he owned, and then he had this
- 32:29Speaker 8: alternate email address. I think it was something along the
- 32:32Speaker 8: lines of Jim and wattles at gmail dot com, at
- 32:37Speaker 8: gmail or at AOL or at hotmail dot com. I
- 32:40Speaker 8: don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.
- 32:45Speaker 8: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,
- 32:49Speaker 8: and it was because he made some really terrible investments
- 32:53Speaker 8: in some dodgy cryptocurrency turned out to be worth absolutely nothing.
- 32:58Speaker 5: He gambled.
- 32:58Speaker 8: The family thought these really risky investment choices, and then
- 33:05Speaker 8: by the time we came to find out about him,
- 33:07Speaker 8: he was.
- 33:07Speaker 2: Really up to his neck.
- 33:08Speaker 8: He filed for personal bankruptcy, he felt, or professional bandkruptcy.
- 33:13Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Eric fattis renowned attorney. Don't you just
- 33:19Speaker 1: hate it when you're a mastermind. Client just uses a
- 33:24Speaker 1: fake email to find out all about cyanide and order
- 33:29Speaker 1: Arsenic from Amazon.
- 33:33Speaker 2: That really worked well, Nancy.
- 33:35Speaker 10: You know that there is a potential alternative explanation as
- 33:37Speaker 10: to why I was doing that, as we've talked about.
- 33:40Speaker 10: His marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.
- 33:42Speaker 10: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, he had a history
- 33:45Speaker 10: of depression. A sinide could be used to hurt others,
- 33:48Speaker 10: but it can also be used to hurt oneself, and
- 33:50Speaker 10: that's something that one might not want to broadcast to
- 33:52Speaker 10: other people and might use surreptitious means to try to procure,
- 33:55Speaker 10: which it sounds like you do.
- 33:56Speaker 1: You know, Eric, you know something you've got to tell
- 33:59Speaker 1: and I better to inform you about it before you
- 34:01Speaker 1: go to Vegas. The crazier your arguments get the faster
- 34:05Speaker 1: you talk, And I love that about you. And I'm
- 34:07Speaker 1: telling you because I really don't think you can stop yourself.
- 34:10Speaker 1: But that said, so you're suggesting now, you're just spinning
- 34:13Speaker 1: it out right like you're throwing a frisbee. You're just
- 34:16Speaker 1: throwing it at me that he really ordered the cyanide
- 34:19Speaker 1: in the Arsenic for himself, right.
- 34:22Speaker 10: You just say equally consistent with that?
- 34:27Speaker 2: What about this?
- 34:28Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury
- 34:34Speaker 1: kind of a deal?
- 34:35Speaker 2: Dentures for perjury listen.
- 34:39Speaker 15: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig
- 34:42Speaker 15: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly
- 34:45Speaker 15: with several inmates at the arapa Ho Detention Center and
- 34:48Speaker 15: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't
- 34:52Speaker 15: afford implants. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to
- 34:55Speaker 15: his mom the next time he gives a recall Over
- 34:58Speaker 15: the phone.
- 34:58Speaker 9: Craig tells Rebecca Walden he'll give her a.
- 35:00Speaker 15: Brand new set of teeth when he gets out, saying
- 35:03Speaker 15: he's certain to get off because he didn't kill his wife.
- 35:06Speaker 15: Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll give her
- 35:09Speaker 15: more details in a letter.
- 35:10Speaker 2: So fattest Dancers for Perjury thoughts.
- 35:15Speaker 10: Not the best deal, certainly a bad look. But on
- 35:18Speaker 10: the other hand, defense is going to say, hey, look
- 35:20Speaker 10: he was He's been in jail for a long time,
- 35:22Speaker 10: he's been adamant about his innocence.
- 35:24Speaker 9: He's getting desperate.
- 35:25Speaker 10: He needs to do something to try to change things,
- 35:27Speaker 10: and this is the sort of hair brain scheme he
- 35:29Speaker 10: came up with.
- 35:30Speaker 5: It's problematic, but doesn't mean he committed murder.
- 35:32Speaker 1: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that
- 35:34Speaker 1: about the dancers for perjury scheme? Well, what about haughties
- 35:40Speaker 1: for dentures? Hatties at O T T I E S
- 35:43Speaker 1: Listen fattest.
- 35:45Speaker 14: In early twenty twenty four, a letter from Craig to
- 35:47Speaker 14: Rebecca Walden, inmate William Walden's mother, was returned to the
- 35:51Speaker 14: Rapahoe Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an offer
- 35:55Speaker 14: to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if she
- 35:58Speaker 14: recruits several young attractive women to pose as Craig's affair partners.
- 36:04Speaker 14: Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell authorities that
- 36:07Speaker 14: Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited them to
- 36:12Speaker 14: help her frame Craig for her murder.
- 36:14Speaker 1: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs, where do the hotties enter
- 36:18Speaker 1: the scene?
- 36:19Speaker 5: In a desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho
- 36:21Speaker 5: County jail, I mean at this point, there's no death
- 36:25Speaker 5: penalty in Colorado. He has nothing to lose. He's been
- 36:29Speaker 5: accused of trying a solicitation for murder of the lead
- 36:33Speaker 5: detective in this I mean, it's not just the hotties
- 36:36Speaker 5: or the free teeth or whatever. Jim Craig is trying
- 36:41Speaker 5: any way that he can, at least according to those
- 36:43Speaker 5: of us following the case closely watching him do whatever
- 36:46Speaker 5: he can to possibly grasp at straws to convince one
- 36:50Speaker 5: juror once this thing finally starts to create that.
- 36:55Speaker 9: Doubt.
- 36:55Speaker 5: But it's been crazy. The hits just keep on coming.
- 36:59Speaker 5: I literally less than two weeks ago had a guy
- 37:02Speaker 5: reach out to me. Don't know him from anybody, He says, Hey,
- 37:05Speaker 5: I was serving in the Appaho County Detention facility with
- 37:08Speaker 5: Craig until last October. You won't believe what he told me.
- 37:12Speaker 5: He even gave me a letter. It's crazy, and it continues.
- 37:15Speaker 4: In the letters to Constantiniis, Craig offers a blank check
- 37:18Speaker 4: in exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs
- 37:22Speaker 4: that can help convince authorities. Constantinidis knew Angela in life,
- 37:27Speaker 4: and that the mom of six was suicidal after learning
- 37:30Speaker 4: of his latest affair. Craig details some of his previous
- 37:33Speaker 4: affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated on Angela
- 37:36Speaker 4: with a patient in two thousand and nine, and provides
- 37:39Speaker 4: personal information about his children.
- 37:41Speaker 2: In an attempt to make their lives seem credible.
- 37:49Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I hope you're sitting down.
- 37:57Speaker 1: More evidence came in that one of the many, many
- 38:01Speaker 1: mistresses of James Craig, the pornie dentist, testified he sent
- 38:08Speaker 1: her a photo of his wife as she lied dying
- 38:12Speaker 1: in the hospital. What he sent his mistress a photo
- 38:19Speaker 1: of his wife in the hospital bed as she was dying.
- 38:24Speaker 2: Oh? Man, oh.
- 38:29Speaker 1: He then asked the mistress to come visit him, just
- 38:33Speaker 1: a few hours after he learned his wife, the mother
- 38:36Speaker 1: of his six children, was brain dead.
- 38:40Speaker 2: You know, I convict him right there.
- 38:42Speaker 1: I would convict him right there, but there was so
- 38:45Speaker 1: much more evidence, hard evidence, not me just disliking him.
- 38:52Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to Eric Faddis, veteran trial
- 38:54Speaker 1: lawyer defense attorney. In all seriousness, I've been pulling your
- 38:59Speaker 1: leg a little bit with the fantastical nature of some
- 39:02Speaker 1: of the facts.
- 39:03Speaker 6: We're learning.
- 39:04Speaker 1: But we have a mother of six dead, not just dead,
- 39:08Speaker 1: but suffering for months from sinaide and arsenic poisoning before
- 39:13Speaker 1: she died.
- 39:14Speaker 2: Okay, you say it's not the husband.
- 39:17Speaker 1: I say it is. He's still innocent. He has not
- 39:20Speaker 1: been proven guilty in a court of law. But let's
- 39:24Speaker 1: just take a look at what we're hearing right now.
- 39:27Speaker 1: Not only did he try to arrange quote Hattie's attractive
- 39:32Speaker 1: women to claim they were his sex partners to tell
- 39:37Speaker 1: authorities his dead wife confronted him about his affairs and
- 39:42Speaker 1: that she was going to commit suicide. So your suicide
- 39:46Speaker 1: fantasy is actually hatching in the defendant's mind. All right,
- 39:54Speaker 1: So he's taking your cue. But he's soliciting suborn for
- 40:00Speaker 1: lack of a better word, perjury by Hatties to say
- 40:06Speaker 1: his dad wife confronted them. Not only that he has
- 40:09Speaker 1: a dancers for perjury scheme with somebody else. Now we're learning,
- 40:15Speaker 1: according to Stephan Tubbs, we're learning he tried to order
- 40:19Speaker 1: a hit on a detective. Have a detective murdered?
- 40:27Speaker 2: What about it?
- 40:28Speaker 6: You know?
- 40:29Speaker 10: I think what he'll say is that a person who
- 40:31Speaker 10: feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded. They
- 40:34Speaker 10: have been in jail for a long period of time,
- 40:36Speaker 10: months and months, that they don't feel like they have
- 40:38Speaker 10: a way to get out, they're going to resort to
- 40:40Speaker 10: desperate acts. And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey,
- 40:43Speaker 10: if I eliminate the head honp Show in this investigation,
- 40:47Speaker 10: perhaps the investigation falls apart. Certainly not lawful, certainly not okay,
- 40:52Speaker 10: but but also not the same thing as proving him
- 40:56Speaker 10: guilty of murdering his wife.
- 40:57Speaker 1: Doctor Ernestchado joining US, renown physician and author not to
- 41:03Speaker 1: what does a victim experience as they die from cyanide
- 41:09Speaker 1: or arsenic poisoning?
- 41:10Speaker 6: Well, if they're they're going to be different. Arsenic is
- 41:15Speaker 6: going to be sort of a slow, agonizing gap, or
- 41:20Speaker 6: as cyanide can be very rapid, you're really going to
- 41:25Speaker 6: end up with sufficient cyanide, you're going to end up
- 41:30Speaker 6: dying with the moments. So they're really two different types
- 41:35Speaker 6: of gap due to two very different.
- 41:40Speaker 1: Toxic Pheil Waters joining US former homicide detective Houston p D,
- 41:46Speaker 1: President of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, Phil,
- 41:52Speaker 1: you and I have handled a lot of murders, a
- 41:55Speaker 1: lot of homicides, be they involuntary voluntary or murder. It
- 42:02Speaker 1: takes a special kind of mind, would you agree, Phil?
- 42:06Speaker 1: This is not getting angry and pulling a gun and shooting.
- 42:09Speaker 1: This is months and months of planning, a scheming of
- 42:15Speaker 1: Google searches and lovingly feeding your wife protein shakes laced
- 42:21Speaker 1: with poison and in watching her suffer, Phil.
- 42:25Speaker 9: Well, exactly, you know this is a This is an
- 42:29Speaker 9: evil act on this guy's part. I won't even recognize
- 42:34Speaker 9: him by saying his name, and we see this. This
- 42:38Speaker 9: is he is obsessed with killing his wife, murdering his wife,
- 42:45Speaker 9: the mother of his six children. And this is something
- 42:49Speaker 9: that for as you put it, for months has been
- 42:53Speaker 9: thinking about this every minute of every day. And so
- 42:59Speaker 9: when he's going into these search engines and trying to
- 43:03Speaker 9: figure out what kind of poison is the best one
- 43:05Speaker 9: to use, and that kind of thing. I'll tell you what.
- 43:07Speaker 9: It's just I hope he's a better dentist than he
- 43:11Speaker 9: was a murderer, because what he did is idiotic in
- 43:16Speaker 9: terms of trying to accomplish the task, which is murder
- 43:20Speaker 9: his wife and try to have some sort of a
- 43:23Speaker 9: story that's going to take the suspicion away from you.
- 43:27Speaker 9: Everything he did in the process here pointed to him.
- 43:32Speaker 9: So when we get these investigations, we always look for
- 43:35Speaker 9: affirmative links. We let the evidence take us where we
- 43:38Speaker 9: need to be, and it's always a journey for the truth.
- 43:41Speaker 9: In this particular, I listened to the defense with all
- 43:44Speaker 9: due to respect. These episodes of isolation that we're talking about,
- 43:50Speaker 9: where you know, he's cheating, that didn't make him a
- 43:53Speaker 9: murder and so on and so on. This has to
- 43:55Speaker 9: be looked at in a timeline of events. If we
- 43:59Speaker 9: can determine when this started, and then of course we
- 44:02Speaker 9: know where it ended and what were the events that
- 44:04Speaker 9: occurred in between that got us to that point. You know,
- 44:08Speaker 9: this taking pictures and so forth of the of his
- 44:11Speaker 9: wife in the hospital when she's dying. You know, when
- 44:15Speaker 9: I was listening to that discussion, I'm more prone to
- 44:18Speaker 9: believe that he was going to use those pictures to
- 44:22Speaker 9: gain some sympathy from the woman that he was wanting
- 44:25Speaker 9: to a squire around. So you know, he had a
- 44:31Speaker 9: purpose for all the things that he did, and it
- 44:35Speaker 9: was just it was just kind of stupid. Is as
- 44:38Speaker 9: stupid does It just continued to get more idiotic as
- 44:41Speaker 9: he went through this process, thinking that what people are
- 44:44Speaker 9: going to believe this story that he's come up with.
- 44:48Speaker 1: And you know another thing, phil as you and I
- 44:52Speaker 1: You as a homicide detective, me as a fellony prosecutor,
- 44:57Speaker 1: we would go about our business every day not s
- 45:00Speaker 1: king that an inmate behind bars is trying to have
- 45:05Speaker 1: us killed, have us killed to thwart the investigation. I
- 45:12Speaker 1: bet you never thought about that while you were detecting.
- 45:15Speaker 9: No, when I worked in Narconics, I did have a
- 45:17Speaker 9: contract put out on me, so I'm a little familiar
- 45:20Speaker 9: with it. But we all, for.
- 45:22Speaker 1: Pete's sake, we've all gotten death threats. The first one
- 45:25Speaker 1: I had was faxed over from the Fulton County Jail.
- 45:28Speaker 1: Didn't take too much to figure that one out. But arrogance, yes, yes,
- 45:36Speaker 1: the level of arrogance to think he can get away
- 45:39Speaker 1: with everything and fix it all by doing a dentures
- 45:43Speaker 1: for perjury scheme and having the lead detective murdered.
- 45:49Speaker 2: This woman is dead and.
- 45:52Speaker 1: Probably her last thoughts were Who's going to take care
- 45:56Speaker 1: of my children?
- 45:58Speaker 2: Prosecutors alleged to a jury.
- 46:00Speaker 1: James Craig, the Colorado Dennis considered his wife a quote problem.
- 46:06Speaker 2: Really, he didn't think.
- 46:08Speaker 1: That when she gave birth to his six children, Diddy
- 46:11Speaker 1: and poisoned her with a combination of cyanide arsenic and
- 46:15Speaker 1: toutra hydrosylene that is in eye drops. It constricts your
- 46:20Speaker 1: if you put it in your eyes, it constricts the
- 46:23Speaker 1: veins in your eyes, so you don't see the red
- 46:26Speaker 1: in your eyes.
- 46:26Speaker 2: Does the same thing to someone's heart.
- 46:29Speaker 1: It constricts the blood vessels around the heart and gives
- 46:32Speaker 1: you a heart attack. Now again, the third oldest child, Annabelle,
- 46:37Speaker 1: testified about one of his many many plots, including soliciting
- 46:42Speaker 1: first degree murder and tampering with physical evidence and suborning
- 46:48Speaker 1: perjury from behind bars. Her dad, she testified under oath,
- 46:53Speaker 1: called her from behind bars shortly after his arrest and
- 46:59Speaker 1: asked her to create a deep fake claiming that the
- 47:03Speaker 1: mom wanted the poisoning the letter that he wrote, admitted
- 47:09Speaker 1: to pass sex affairs and told the daughter her parents
- 47:13Speaker 1: had been playing a quote game of chicken with Craig,
- 47:17Speaker 1: claiming Angela asked him to order the fatal poisons.
- 47:22Speaker 2: That's when he wanted.
- 47:23Speaker 1: A quote deep fake video of mom saying she asked
- 47:26Speaker 1: Craig to order cyanide arsenic and oleander and she was
- 47:31Speaker 1: going to take it herself, dragging his daughter into this.
- 47:36Speaker 1: The letter written by him offered instructions including buying a
- 47:41Speaker 1: cheap laptop, installing a VPN, a private network, and using
- 47:47Speaker 1: the dark Web, even asking his daughter to set up
- 47:50Speaker 1: an anonymous email and buying a prepaid visa gift card.
- 47:56Speaker 9: I mean.
- 47:59Speaker 1: Held his own daughter to burn the video onto thumb drives,
- 48:03Speaker 1: tell investigators she found them amongst her mother's things and
- 48:07Speaker 1: then destroyed the laptop. He pulled his own.
- 48:11Speaker 2: Daughter into this.
- 48:13Speaker 1: Colorado dentist James Craig guilty and the deadly poisoning of
- 48:18Speaker 1: his wife through her smoothies. Now sentenced to life behind
- 48:22Speaker 1: bars with no possibility of parole. So now when I
- 48:27Speaker 1: said Friday Night Special, see this was special.
- 48:30Speaker 2: You believe me? Nancy Grace Sonning off goodbye,