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Hello and welcome to Anime Club Way.
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So me and Thebes tonight have two very special guests, all
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three. And we've got Kyle and Erin, who
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are the writers and director of a film called Zombiecon Volume
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1. It's a film about cosplayers who
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accidentally trigger a zombie apocalypse.
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Me and Thebes have seen it. It's amazing.
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If you want to check that for yourself, the links are in the
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description. You can even buy a physical copy
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of the DVD which is amazing but we didn't want to waste Kyle and
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Erin's time with intros and stuff like that.
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So I'm just inserting this but on with Phoebes amazing
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presenting skills. Awesome.
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Welcome to this week's Anime Club and this week's very
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special because we have some very special guests with us all
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the way over from the States. Thank you so much for making
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time in the middle of the day because for us it's evening for
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you, your time travelling. And it's Carl and Erin from
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Zombie Com Volume 1, which Chris and I have both seen.
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We absolutely loved it and we're very excited to have you here
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because not only is it a horror film, it's I think an anime film
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first and foremost. I mean, it's great to have you.
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Thank you. Thank you both for having us.
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This is like a dream come true. I mean, you saw the film.
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We're huge anime nerds. So coming on an anime centric
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podcast. Oh yeah, thank you for having
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us. And our daughter, Anya is
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joining us because? Yes, of course.
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Sorry, star of the show. Right, she's going to take all
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the attention away from us, but we'll do our best to come.
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That's OK. And she also has like the one
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name like Kylie Madonna. Hey.
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Share. Anya.
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That's right. Anya.
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Yeah, Fab. Yeah.
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So one of the questions that we always ask people, the whole
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premise of the podcast is we watch 3 episodes of an anime
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that we like and then we decide, would you keep watching?
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This week we're doing Spy Times Family or Spy X Family.
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We had some debate on how do you say it or would you just say Spy
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Family because that was the other, that's what Chris was
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proposing. And that feels preposterous to
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me. We're saying spy X family, just
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like, just like spy family. We just now say spy family,
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Yeah. What?
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Oh. No how numbered.
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Hunter. I like hunter, Hunter.
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It's like, do you say Hunter X Hunter?
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Yes, Hunter. So we just like drop the X and
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like, OK, just go with that. Yeah, fair enough.
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So before we all. Yeah.
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Now go on Chris, gloat a little bit, why don't you?
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Yeah, I'm just trying to take that moment in a bit.
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I was so ready to just move past it because it's like, so are you
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going to say you were wrong? No, we're going to move into one
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of the questions we always ask people when they come on is what
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was your gateway anime? Can you remember the first anime
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that you saw where you were like, oh, this is a bit of me?
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I was like, so I was, I grew up in the early 90s.
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I'll date myself. And I was about 5:00, so it was
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like 1992. And Dragon Ball Z was syndicated
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on like the public access television network.
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So you got like 1 disjointed episode every like week that
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nothing to do with what happened next week.
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And so I started watching it like randomly catching it just
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periodically. And I'd be like, Oh yeah, this
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is really cool. Like they're shooting these
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waves and and I found an action figure and it was like, I
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remember I had two or three Dragon Ball Z action figures
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growing up and they were all like the fixed arm statues.
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So it was like Goku had his arms like fixed, like he's doing a
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commandment wave and you like pushed it in and you know that
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little spring and shot it out. And Piccolo was just doing a
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special beam cannon. And then there was a Vegeta who
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was doing I guess final flash or something like, but he was stuck
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in a weird position too. And that was a lot of my
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childhood was trying to take these three immovable action
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figures with no movable joints. I have a lot of combat editor.
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Yeah, yeah. I'm like the classic.
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I was obsessed with Pokémon in the heyday of Pokémon, and I
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remember specifically that I would be evastated if I woke up
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on a Saturday morning and I missed even a minute of that
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anime. I mean, like bawling.
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I had my whole routine. It was best thing ever.
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The cards, the whole deal. But as an adult and
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rediscovering anime and getting deeper into it, like diving head
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first, I would say thanks to Kyle and particular Attack on
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Titan. I mean, yeah, it was Naruto and
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one piece of everything. But he really like had the, you
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know, a sit down and he's like, you know, you really need to get
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into this. And it was Berserk.
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Actually, we had the the Rockets, rockets of Zombiecon
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volume 1. He's he lured us and he's like,
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we're going to do a BBQ. We're going to have sangria.
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We're going to have lots of, you know, drinks flowing.
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It's all great. We're gonna sit down and we're
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just going to watch a casual anime.
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We're a diamond. And I'm going to emotionally
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damage you for life with Bizarre.
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Or life. Oh yeah.
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Why? I don't know.
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I don't know if Funky had ever seen.
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Like, I know I'm sure that everyone had casually seen an
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anime or whatever, but I was by far like the biggest anime fan.
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I mean I've literally watched as much as I could since I was
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literally 5 years old and she was watching the eclipse
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sequence and she started freaking out like like just I
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think she jumped off the couch and like ran across the room
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screaming. She's like what the fuck is
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happening it? Was it was an epic, yeah, cast
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rehearsal day. But we also did Attack on Titan,
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which was of course just incredible.
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I think that's such a good gateway anime to introduce
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people to be like, especially that or My Hero.
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And we filmed this film in 2016. So back then in particular, like
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they were really just getting going.
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And yeah, Attack on Titan, I would say, and we Naruto, we've
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binge watched One Piece, we've binge watched.
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I mean, we just, it was off to the races.
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Excellent. I think that feels like a strong
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starting starting foundation for anime.
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In Attack on Titan is one of my favourites.
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And also any series that starts with someone watching their own
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mother being like dangled into a giant's mouth.
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You're like, how can some of things sustain that in terms of
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tension? And yet it somehow manages to
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just get bigger and more dramatic as it goes on.
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He's a masterpiece. Absolutely.
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Although, I mean, I felt like it was just like every other Disney
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movie I've seen. Yeah, parents died.
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Guy has to go and save the world.
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Kind of. Bye parents.
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Yeah, the ending might have changed a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, that does say something
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about Disney, but it's not that kind of podcast.
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So we're moving on. So when you look at because
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obviously we can't have you on here without talking about the
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film that you had, you guys have made, which is awesome.
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And thank you so much for letting Chris and I watch it
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because we had a ball watching it together when you were
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sitting down to first create it. What what made you want to do
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anime? Convention is like a starting
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point. Oh, we were.
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We went through this whole process of how to get to a
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feature film, like short films, web series, finally landed on
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zombies thinking that would be like an A good entry point for
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like an indie, you know, first kind of film makers film.
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And from there we were trying to like, well, how do we make the
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zombies different? And I've always like wanted to
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do live action adaptation of an anime and obviously need to have
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the rights for that. And it's an expensive process.
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And someone, you know, with a much bigger budget than what
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we've had, which was like, 60, is going to be tackling that,
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though. We were kind of scouring the
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ideas of how to make the zombies different.
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We're actually at my brother's house, and I saw, I think he's
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got like, a bunch of movie props.
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And he had a Captain America shield on the wall.
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And I was like, ah, it would be really cool to, you know, kill a
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zombie with that and you could use it as a defensive weapon.
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And I start, like, looking at all the other props.
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And I'm like, yeah, do you got held up in this house?
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Like, you could use that Predator mask.
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You do this and that. And then I was like, well, how
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do we weave that in? I'm like who would have this
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stuff other than like a prop collector?
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Top collectors don't usually destroy their props.
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They're kind of like cosplayers. I'm a cosplayer.
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I've got a lot of this stuff. I would definitely would love to
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use this stuff against zombies. And that is kind of got the ball
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rolling with OK, well now we got to do like in a con convention
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type thing. As soon as we started going down
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that path, I got to kind of choose my own like specific con.
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I was like I. Can.
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Make this anime inspired. This could be my like way to
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make an anime, but using a film to do it I can't.
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Like I can draw a little bit but I can't draw like you know, real
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anime and manga artists. So this was kind of my version
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of drawing an anime. The camera.
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Yeah, yeah, I love that. And I also loved in like Chris
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and I was spotting the different anime references as well through
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like costumes and props. Was that all from your personal
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collection or did you manage to? Did you like use it as an excuse
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to acquire some more like? How much he did already have
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though, and was from a special collection.
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Yeah, well, a lot of, so a lot of the stuff like the figures
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and stuff that, you know, that was all my stuff.
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But for like the katanas especially, because we had to
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get multiple variants of all the swords because you know,
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whenever you use a spec, a sword for a special effect, you've got
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to saw them in half or you've got to dull them.
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You've got to kind of destroy them.
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And you have to have always a secondary prop just in case
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something goes wrong. It can get a ton of fake blood
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on it or it can get lost or broken and transiting from set
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to set. So you just always want to have
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a backup. So because of that went on
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Amazon and was able to like have my dream shopping cart get as a
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child I used to have one. Finally that wish list cuz I can
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like crack into it with no. Guilt.
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Yeah, it was. I I've likened it to like James
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Cameron using the Titanic as an excuse to go down to actually
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see the ship. This was my version of that,
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just on a little bit smaller budget.
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Yeah, and because it's funny you should, you should mention the
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Captain America Shields, because when I was watching the film, I
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was like, oh, I didn't realise how like every nerd group I've
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ever been in, the conversation of how do you survive a zombie
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apocalypse? Comes up every time.
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And every nerd has a has their own plan.
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I also didn't realize, like, because you have, like, doomsday
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preppers, how much in common they have in terms of their,
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like, living room decor with nerds as well.
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So there was a kind of beautiful moment where I was like, Oh
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yeah, no, these are the people who would survive the zombie
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apocalypse. Need an inherent need to collect
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and knowing that there's no bounds?
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Absolutely. Chris, sorry you had some
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questions. I just like jumped right in but.
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Don't say it's fine. We we we fights went blunt.
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That was just isn't Yuka, sorry. Grand I'll in that case, I'll
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crack up. I'll Yeah.
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So yeah. So you had the we did the
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Zombiecon. The other question I wanted to
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ask actually, because in the film you have you, you'd like to
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have created your own anime for bits of it as well, because that
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was another like, delightful moment of like, oh, there's like
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you Because there was a moment of like, it's not a real.
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No, that's not a real. I'm pretty sure I would know it
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if I'd see if I'd seen that anime before.
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And so that was kind of like a fun kind of, yeah, that was
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like, it felt felt like a fun thing for an anime fan to be
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able to do with their film. It was a fast, it was difficult.
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It was so much more difficult than I thought.
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But that's like 3rd iteration of the animes that I was working on
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it at first. They started very basically and
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as we kept cutting the film and time kept expanding, I was like,
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I've got to like really put in effort.
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I've got to do the best I can, animate something to do justice.
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So I tried to a take different genres.
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So one was called Dragon Samurai, which is the first one
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you see. I tried to take Ronnie Kenshin
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and Dragon Ball Z and like smash them together.
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So it's, you know, you're only seeing it in clips, but there's
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actually 15 minutes of that anime that exists.
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There's a whole it's I didn't want to have to like, I wanted
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it to be in sequence. I didn't want to just like cut
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to random scenes. So there's actually a story
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that's happening, you know, in the.
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Background in the background of the film.
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It kind of mirrors what happens in the film to a certain extent.
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And the second one was lovingly called the Toe and I'm a
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notoriously terrible speller. And so when I was writing really
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quickly for the first iteration of that, whatever, the animation
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was like just static kind of I wrote, I was just quickly going
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and I was like the Toe. And I might have been
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autocorrect or anything else, but it did TOE&J.
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Michael Troutman, who plays the Mystic man who gives Claire the
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rock in the movie, is a huge, huge start to a fan.
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He's I don't read. He's like, like looking at my
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work desk. He's like, so he's like, I think
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that's funny. That's funny.
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You spelled it like that. He's like, I bet the live action
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or the Netflix adaptation would have like a bunch of people's
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feet going around. And I was like, oh, yeah, I like
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that. I think we'll keep that in.
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Anyone with a foot fetish must watch.
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Yeah, yeah. What's his face?
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Tarantino's out here like, oh, I could go behind this.
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He's. Already adapting the live
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action. Yeah, yeah.
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He's like, this will be the one movie I direct where I won't
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write it. It's fine.
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Yeah, but I'll still be in it. Yeah, three times and.
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It was really cool watching him develop those anime too, because
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some of them, if you'll notice, I mean obviously we've rewatched
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this film insane amounts of times and so if you notice upon
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rewatch, especially the very first one, which was.
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Called Dragon Samurai. Dragon Samurai, it's the bad guy
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and his three girls. He's like girls.
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And if you've seen Zombiecon and you're looking at the one of the
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end fights, you know there's a similar theme of foreshadowing
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going on here. Yeah.
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And the same with the toe. It's again, yeah, if you hear, I
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mean, it's also very Naruto issue.
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Like it's like the power of friendship and groups and get
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all this dialogue. I felt I did all the voices
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myself. They all they all have scripts.
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It all gets totally drowned out by the actual actors in the film
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like. One day we'll release it, one
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day it'll be like all three together in its own DVD or
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something. We'll make it look like an art
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and old VHS tape. It looks super old school.
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Do something. With it.
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It will be like one of those hidden Easter egg like meant old
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DVD menus where you had to like get the buttons to go right over
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the right combination and then bams hidden scene.
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And but it's funny you should mention the rock thing, because
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this is a question that Chris and I had, which is like, was
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there a reason for the trip? Like so you get a lot of zombie
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films that are kind of like where it's disease based or it's
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kind of more scientific technological.
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Was there a reason for like, going down a kind of more
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magical mystical? Rock.
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Based Zombie Law for the film. Trying to interject, I wanted to
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create basically my again, like I said said before, this is like
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my version of an anime, but new film or I wanted to create a
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world mechanic life beyond just the singular film, not just a
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virus or something like that. And again, try to put a twist on
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it. Oh, in a deleted scene that's
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available on the DVD that we had to cut for time or wasn't like
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basically an opening that explained the history of that
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particular object and other objects like it.
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You can liken them like somewhat to Devil Fruits in a way.
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And they they do have a fleshed out back story and an origin.
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And as the films progress through, like Volume 10, they
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start to play a more impactful role, you know, as like the
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world mechanic, and they become kind of a central part of the
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story as we continue through. And then I'll give the more
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generic answer, which is how loves fantasy, some sci-fi and
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associate. Yeah.
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If he is writing like a Christmas ROM com, he will try
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and find a way to throw some fantasy.
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Santa's a wizard, Yes. No, that's happening.
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You agree? Yeah.
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So moving into thank you very much because yeah, great film,
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highly recommend it. We'll put the description in our
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description below. We'll put a link to all the
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socials and things so you can go check out if you're watching
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this or listening on Spotify, you can go check out Zombie Con
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Volume 1 and in terms of spy family, Spy Ex family.
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Spy family. Duck it right in if you were
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going to like describe or some like describe this to someone
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who'd never seen anime before. What's your like elevator pitch
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for why this is a good choice for to recommend to people?
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My gosh, that's so good. OK, I guess I would say there's
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you in thinking that it's going to be just this sweet, kind of
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almost like PG for adults though anime where it's a setup of
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maybe there's going to be romance between a secret spy and
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a secret assassin and then a little girl who they adopt who
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they don't even know has got telepathy.
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But that would be your mistake, because what it really is, is a
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heart filled beautiful adventure, deep action filled
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suspenseful drama. It's got shades of everything
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and it's especially being you surprised as the show goes on,
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somehow it gets better and better.
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Oh, am I pitching this? Just to be clear, am I pitching
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this to a person who's anime fan or a nor me?
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Oh. I would say normie.
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I I say no let's go normie first.
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What's your like? You could hook anyone into this
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anime. Just be like and I'm trying to
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keep it much simpler, Aaron. Much more is like.
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She that was, that was not an elevator pitch, that was like a
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long like car ride pitch. It was a love letter, Aaron, and
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I was here for it. I was absorbed.
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I'm going to go watch it. I would, I would just be like,
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this is the James Bond you've always wanted to see with heart
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and family. And I would just be like, just
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have to watch it. Hey James Bond, if he got over
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his weird toxic male thing. Settle down had a family.
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I mean I honestly like Boyd is like also way more capable than
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James Bond, but if someone's not familiar with like.
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If they're an army. Yeah, I wouldn't want to like
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put down their spy hero or something.
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So I try to like lure them in with like honey as opposed to
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vinegar. And I have to throw in there
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because I would feel stupid later not saying our daughter's
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name is Anya. And so I mean that alone from
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us. Got to watch by family.
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Yeah, Yeah. You're basically living the live
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action version on a daily basis. It's.
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Not saying that we're secret spies or assassins, but.
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If you are saying it on YouTube is probably like if you like
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kicked out. Or it's the perfect cover
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because no real spy would say they were a spy.
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The double bluff. That's true.
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Like no real spy would go and make films because it's too high
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profile. But actually, maybe, yeah.
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We'll never know. I'll just keep you guessing.
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I want to agree. I'll soon.
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Aren't you as Lloyd, me as your and Anya next year, next year,
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next year? Sold for next year.
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Yeah, I kind of agree with you, both of you.
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I think it's a for me, my elevator pitch is this is a if
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you like Raymond Chandler and you also happen to like When
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Harry Met Sally and you've always wanted both of those
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things to meet. This is the anime where it will
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happen and you'll also be like riveted the whole time.
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Also, you're who's like the mum kind of in this sort of little
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configuration of a family is an absolute bad ass.
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And I'm all for, as Chris like Boringly knows, because I say
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nearly every every podcast, I just want the women in anime to
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really kick ass and I want them to do it better than the men and
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to look great while they do it. And I think she did delivers on
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every count in that in that way. Do you have like in terms of
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favorite characters or characters that you obviously
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you've got to have a little bit of extra love for Anya because
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it's there's like a daughter thing going on there.
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It's hard not to. But in terms of like favorite
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characters, have you got any that are kind of your standouts
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from the anime? I mean, I would be boring and go
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with Lloyd and I would say you are, but I did not be boring
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Borf and I'd say I actually kind of like Desmond, the kid, like
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he's kind of like he he you could tell that he's got like a
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good heart in there and it's had a really like tough upbringing
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with that family. Like I can't even imagine.
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And after just meeting the mom this season, you're kind of
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like, oh God, this kid had it even worse than I thought he had
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it with the damn. So I don't know.
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I think that, I don't know, I don't want to spoil anything,
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but I'm really pumped to see how just took place in the last
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episode unfolds and I think. We're current.
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I think that it will be. I just think it's going to be
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exciting and it's going to bring a lot of those kind of smaller
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characters who have had like little side eye rolls to the
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forefront. So I can't wait to see how they
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solve that issue together without the help of Lloyd and
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your. I'm not sure if they come in or
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not but pretty pumped with that. It feels like it's getting a bit
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more ensemble anime now, which is quite fun.
22:54
And it also does this really good thing in terms of its
22:56
character development, where every every character is more
23:00
complex than you initially think.
23:03
So it doesn't, it pulls heavily from like, spy tropes, but it
23:08
hasn't. It has a bit more kind of Shades
23:10
of Grey in there as well, which is, yeah, lovely.
23:13
That old psychic child trope. It's 5 films.
23:19
And I've I've been dying waiting to say this is my favorite
23:22
character cuz I can't actually remember his name but elegant.
23:27
Yeah, a teacher. I love him and he's got Anya.
23:32
Like he's got a lot on his hands even just like at the rest of
23:36
the classmates. Just dealing with Anya alone and
23:38
how to like categorize her is just, it's awesome.
23:42
Yeah, I like the Oh my gosh, is it Roz Bell, the little girl
23:48
who's Anya's like best friend Becky, Becky, but her last
23:51
anyway, that love her and I have to also throw in Frankie.
23:55
I love Frankie. Because I think that I think his
23:57
character arc is also been picking up as we kind of got
24:00
through, you know, this season especially.
24:03
I liked his last, oh, cosplay in this.
24:08
Like I think it was like the last it said yeah I thought that
24:10
was or maybe it was 2 episodes ago, I can't remember, but I
24:13
thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, it's genuinely also
24:19
the kid. The kids in this, I think are
24:21
the like standout characters because they're so
24:24
heartwarmingly cute and they are kids.
24:27
Not there's no like trying to pretend to be kids, but you do
24:30
see them trying to emulate. So one of the things I really
24:33
love is when Anya's like basically setting herself a
24:36
mission of like, how do I make this a real family?
24:40
So she's kind of and she's like picking up on on everyone's
24:43
thoughts around her. And so it becomes like her own
24:46
personal spy mission, which is secondary to like the job that
24:51
they're there to do, which is great.
24:53
What about you, Chris? Who's your favorite character?
24:57
He Lloyd because he's a development as well, because
24:59
when he First off, because we only watched the first three.
25:03
Well, I only watched the first 3 episodes.
25:05
Well, was meant to and then got episode 8.
25:08
And so obviously I'm going to continue it.
25:11
But it starts off and he's like, oh, I don't want a family.
25:13
And then he just instantly warms to it.
25:15
And you're like, yeah, he's a likable, growable character.
25:18
And I want to see where it where it leads him and how he
25:21
navigates having a kid in these in his profession as well.
25:27
I kind. Of also love, I mean.
25:29
Oh sorry, crack on. I've got a 5 year old now.
25:31
I wouldn't take him into work. He'd be all over, starting
25:35
fires, everything, yeah. Yeah, to be fair, your work is a
25:39
very dangerous place for a 5 year old so.
25:48
In so in like favorite characters, were there any
25:52
characters that you wanted to see less or more of?
25:55
So we've talked a bit about like some of the kids.
25:57
You're starting to see kind of a bit more Desmond, you're
25:59
starting to see a bit more of him as well.
26:02
Was there anywhere, anyone, if you had like the cutting room
26:05
shares, who are you cutting? Who are you kind of putting more
26:08
in? My my immediate answer to that
26:13
would be. Fiona.
26:14
Oh, I would just want us like cut them longer and cut them
26:18
fast because I get I hate the cliffhangers and I the I feel
26:24
like the series and I could be totally wrong, but I feel like
26:27
the series is driving to a point where we'll eventually have
26:30
them, you know, coalesce as an actual family and they'll be
26:34
kind of caught in the crossfire between West and east.
26:37
And like, I feel like that's going to be our like big ending
26:40
arc. And it'll be like that may be
26:42
escaping together and Lloyd and you're will finally kind of
26:45
recognize what each other are and kind of come together and
26:50
like they kind of use their skills together now.
26:52
But it's always by accident where you know, once over here,
26:54
once over there, like an actual genuine team up between the two
26:59
where they're like using both their powers at the same time.
27:02
OK, so I'm sorry, here's a good question.
27:05
So if you agree, oh if you had your pick, would you prefer to
27:11
see you could say neither. Either The R and Lloyd discover
27:16
first that they have feelings for each other and develop like
27:18
a romantic relationship, or discover first that they are
27:23
each basically having these secret identities.
27:27
Oh, oh, I think I would want the Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
27:30
I'd want them to have the feelings 1st and then they
27:32
discover the secret identities. I think that's more well, I love
27:38
this series and I want it to go for longer and I think you can
27:40
sustain that more. I think the I actually think the
27:43
moment that they discover who each other's true identities,
27:46
that's you're right. There is a kind of like that's
27:48
the trajectory into whatever the end is.
27:54
And there is also something about that I really love is, is
27:57
how long can you hold the suspense of something?
28:01
And I think it takes a real skill to have.
28:04
Like, it's basically the punchline that they're never
28:07
giving you for a joke that they keep making and is still funny
28:10
in Season 2 as it was in Season 1.
28:15
So yeah, I think I'd want to see feelings 1st.
28:17
And then but also I kind of, there is part of me that's like,
28:21
like, I'm here for their romance.
28:22
But what I really want is for them to look after this little
28:25
girl with like, genuine love. And, like, I want to see them
28:28
fall in love as parents more than I want to see them fall in
28:33
love with each other in a way, because it's like Anne Anya's
28:36
just had like, such, like, AI don't know.
28:39
You just want to see her find her place.
28:44
Yeah. It's about that.
28:45
I didn't even consider that. I was just considering their
28:48
feelings. I was just I want them to
28:51
discover their identity, then fall in love.
28:55
I thought you want to do it the opposite way.
28:56
Why would you do it the opposite way?
28:58
I don't know because then they can be completely honest with
29:01
each other when they fall in love, as opposed to fall in love
29:06
with each other's identities at the portrayal.
29:10
Nice, I like how you're taking this from like a that would be
29:14
the healthier relationship to have is like don't start off on
29:17
a lie and I'm just like lie to each other but fall in love.
29:22
And I just, I went down I think it was like 5 years ago, the
29:27
romance anime Train. Like I must have binge watched
29:32
I-20 of these series in the space of two weeks.
29:35
And it's funny because when you do, you know the tropes, you
29:40
know what's coming, and you know they're going to drag it out as
29:43
long as they possibly can. Like you were just describing.
29:46
And yet still you're here for it.
29:48
You're like, yeah, I love this pain.
29:51
Like make it last long. See how?
29:54
Will they? Won't they?
29:55
It's how Will they? How?
29:58
Will they when? See, me and Phoebe started this
30:03
because we wanted to, because I'm.
30:04
I'm setting me shown and and be Death Note or, you know, stuff
30:10
like that I haven't experienced. Yeah, but I wanted to branch
30:16
out. And I think we kind of watched a
30:18
romance one for the first time, which would have been my first
30:22
because it's it's diabetes. Months of thought it'd be funny
30:24
to watch an anime called Iwani Pancreas.
30:27
And it was it was all right. I don't know if I'll get into
30:32
more of them, but I'm glad that I tried one.
30:36
I would. I'd quite like to watch one
30:38
where the like main character doesn't die tragically young.
30:45
Anime. That's right.
30:46
I haven't seen that one, but I I've heard enough.
30:49
I've heard enough. I know that it will destroy me.
30:51
Much like you're lying, April, like you just dove head first
30:54
into the most painful romance anime.
30:59
Talk about emotional damage. Step aside, Berserk.
31:01
We're here to break your heart. The romance anime.
31:06
No, Yes. Well, anybody cases that you
31:08
will never recover from, right? Yeah.
31:11
It's a pad that makes us want to watch it now, yeah.
31:15
But actually I, I think we should add April to our list
31:18
because it's, I've been seeing, I've been seeing Instagram
31:22
stories about it and I'm like, maybe.
31:24
Right, right. Definitely wait until April and
31:27
then all you'll yelled hard to everybody do it the month before
31:30
at March and then you'll be able to participate in all the posts
31:33
that come in April. Everyone's like, it's that time
31:35
for me to just destroy my heart yet again.
31:37
And the yeah. Yeah, yeah.
31:40
There's nothing like communal heartbreak.
31:43
Yes, yes, shared suffering. You know I will.
31:46
That's because the Rockets, rockets and we were all good
31:50
friends in real life very close before filming.
31:53
We'd work together. We were friends for a while then
31:56
filming this movie. Yes, it was fun, but yes, it was
31:59
also an insane grueling amount of work.
32:02
And the shared suffering aspect, like we really, really bonded
32:06
it. Not just the whole indie film,
32:10
you know, crew. It's like, yeah, you, you go
32:12
through something insanely grueling like that with that
32:15
much passion as well, where everyone's putting everything
32:17
they have out there and how can you not get extra close?
32:21
It's very, I think make, as you say, it's very make or break
32:25
when you're actually working with your friends because you
32:27
can get on someone with someone amazingly, but as soon as you
32:31
have to sit beside them and do something productive with them,
32:34
it's a real test of whether you want to see this person again.
32:39
Yeah. No, absolutely.
32:40
Why are you looking at me? No reason.
32:44
There's a reason that we're 300 miles away from each other.
32:51
Yeah. I used to work in doing theatre
32:54
shows, and it would always be like the closing night.
32:56
You'd always have this, like, moment of like, Oh my God, we'll
32:58
never see each. It'll never be the same again.
33:01
And of course you then worked. You will work together on
33:04
another play like a year later. You're like.
33:07
Closing. Chapter though of a reality.
33:09
Yeah. Together and you know it will
33:11
never be the same until, like you said, it's time to start the
33:14
next production. Yeah.
33:17
Can I ask how many of the cast had were like into anime when
33:20
you started? Was it was it just Kyle or did
33:26
or were there a few others? I was already and Manny, Manny
33:30
was he was more of a gamer, but Manny was as well.
33:33
Christian had from growing. Dragon Balls.
33:36
He was a Dragon Ball Z fan and a St.
33:38
Saya. Saint Saya fan growing up and
33:40
I'm sure he like St. Saya was like his ride or die if
33:47
he had to like only watch one anime for the rest of his life
33:50
and be St. Saya without even a question.
33:53
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I don't think
33:55
I'd ever watched anime, but I feel like Punky is always open
33:58
minded and down for anything. I don't.
34:00
Think she is like a real life anime character.
34:02
She's really like the coolest. I don't know.
34:05
She can walk into any room I know anyone and somehow be the
34:09
center of attention and everyone would be laughing and having a
34:11
better time as soon as they meet her.
34:13
She's like way cooler in real life than she is in the film.
34:17
Like by 1000? She's funnier, she's pretty
34:19
cool. In the film as well, though, she
34:21
has some like she has some proper moments.
34:25
I agree. It's it's insane.
34:27
Yeah. I I echo Kyle.
34:29
We have introduced her to so many friends and family members.
34:32
And it doesn't matter who she's with, where they're from, what
34:35
they're all about. They leave and they're like,
34:37
want to be best friends with her.
34:38
I love her. We need to, like, protect her.
34:40
I want to see her again. Yeah, yeah, that's so lovely.
34:46
It's nice to have. It's it's nice to have that
34:49
experience with friends where you're like, oh, you just these
34:51
people can slot in anywhere. It's a real skill.
34:57
So in terms of like obviously we've we've all watched past
35:01
episode 3. I think we can safely say that.
35:03
So we are saying, yes, we would recommend this wholeheartedly
35:06
and excitedly to other people in terms of the current series.
35:12
And I think this is where we can like, we'll put a spoiler alert
35:15
for people coming, like skip ahead 10 minutes or something.
35:18
Where do you want to see this anime go?
35:20
What's your kind of like hopes before it closes in the current
35:24
season? Oh my God, I think, I mean, I
35:28
obviously want to see the end of the arc that we just started,
35:33
you know, and however that resolves apart from that, I
35:41
don't know. I mean it would be.
35:44
I want to see Anya make waves in terms of the Second Sun plan.
35:49
I want to see Lloyd like so surprised by how she's like
35:54
weaseled her way into either like their house or gotten a
35:58
meeting with the family. I want her to really, you know,
36:01
show up and accomplish it in some way, make make big moves in
36:06
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:08
I like the idea. I think it'd be nice to see her
36:13
kind of, I kind of want to see, I always want to see her
36:16
outsmart everyone because she when she has those moments where
36:18
she's just like 2 steps ahead of everyone, you're like, Oh yes,
36:23
go. And but, but also we'd like a
36:25
kind of, there's like a naivety to the way she thinks because
36:28
it's just like child thought, child logic, which is really
36:33
sweet. So apart from seeing obviously
36:36
the conclusion of the arc we just started and, you know,
36:39
seeing the relationship between Desmond and Anya kind of grow a
36:42
little bit, I would like to see her get a Stella or at least a
36:45
tourist removed or something arc.
36:52
Nice Chris on episode 8. Yeah, I didn't know something.
36:59
It is the stuff I want to see though.
37:03
Yeah, what's what's, what are your some of the hope?
37:06
What are your hopes at Episode 8?
37:07
Where do you want it to go? I just want to because I had I,
37:11
it didn't really explain that much about the West alias and
37:14
why he's a spy. I want to, I want to go back in
37:17
that into that a bit more. I kind of want them to get found
37:21
out a little bit as well. I think you're going to love the
37:27
beginning of this car as three we're on now.
37:30
Yeah. So you're going to love the
37:31
beginning of this season, obviously, Definitely.
37:34
Yeah. Definitely I've, I've got a,
37:36
I've got a bit of time off, so I'm going to, I've got a lot of
37:38
animate binge. I've always because we're just
37:40
watching first 3 episodes and it says, Oh yeah, I'll go back to
37:43
it. It always gets put on a list and
37:45
then that list gets forgotten. So I this will be the time where
37:48
I'll go back to this. It's like the blessing and the
37:52
curse of doing a different anime every week.
37:54
You're like, oh, that's a good one.
37:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then run out of hours.
37:59
Yeah, especially being a parent as well, because some things you
38:03
just can't watch your own kids, especially when that can repeat
38:05
things from the telly. So yeah.
38:11
Yeah, you don't. You don't know what that's like
38:13
at all. Kids make life.
38:14
Yeah, Yeah. I don't know why, but she's
38:19
obsessed with our sparkling water bottles like ever since we
38:23
I guess we drink a lot of sparkling water.
38:25
So this is her number one boy and has to be made of glue.
38:29
A very sharp, you know, edge top, of course.
38:33
Oh, the worst thing for a baby to hold.
38:36
That's the thing. Yeah.
38:38
That's one thing they want. Yeah, yeah.
38:43
Oh, so sweet. OK and then my my last question
38:47
is that OK, you're in the world of spy family.
38:52
What do you think your code name is and what's your like
38:56
specialism? Like talk to me about your anime
38:58
persona. So if you were going to self
39:01
insert your into spy family. OK, well, we were kind of joking
39:08
about this a bit before because I was like, I could be
39:11
moonlight, but I think I'll go a little bit farther off the mark
39:15
and I'll say sunshine be mine. Yeah, a little play on twilight
39:22
there. I'm going to take a pause and
39:24
think about my special. So I would be.
39:27
I like. But sorry.
39:29
Oh, no, sorry. I was just going to say I like
39:30
Sunshine as a code name because there's no way that that can be
39:34
sinister it at all. So it kind of drifts under the
39:36
radar in a way, in a way that she's good.
39:38
Sorry, Carla interrupted you. What you were saying?
39:40
Oh no, you're fine, you're fine. I was going to say my code name
39:43
would be and would be dependent on, you know, what role I was
39:47
taking on, but the code name would still stick.
39:49
It'd be Mr. Mustache and the Master of Disguise is super
39:57
strength. Oh, OK.
39:59
Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:02
A little bit of a bit of, you know, a Full Metal Alchemist nod
40:08
there. OK, I'm going to give myself the
40:11
power of friendship and I can disarm.
40:15
I can disarm even the most deadly of opponents with my
40:19
natural charisma and charm because they.
40:21
And your wits? Yeah.
40:22
And the diplomacy? Kind of, yeah.
40:27
Sunshine's walking in, playing poker.
40:29
Meanwhile, Master of disguise has infiltrated the kitchens.
40:33
Mr. Marshall, she's on the move. Perfect.
40:36
Oh, Mr. Chris Sass was on the move.
40:40
I think she didn't think you were going to hear today, Chris,
40:48
what's your, what's your code name and is it Pyre based?
40:53
Of course, something welding based M Bright.
40:57
Spock. Oh, OK.
41:01
And something to do. It's going to have to be
41:04
something gadget related because I'm 54 and put pudgy so.
41:12
You need the technological ascents.
41:14
Yeah, yeah, I need all the help I can get.
41:17
Yeah, yeah. And.
41:18
These full inches on me, you're towering.
41:24
Chris, you're tall. Finally.
41:26
I know, I know, but. I think you might actually have
41:29
three 3 or 4 inches on her. Hey hey 52 according to IMDb
41:35
layoff me. We're taking that as the gospel.
41:42
Yeah, and my weight's still at 185 lbs.
41:45
Absolutely. Well, you're 29 and slow, right?
41:50
Perpetually. Perfect.
41:53
Of course, have been for years doing very well in it.
41:59
I literally, yeah. I think I'd like to go for like,
42:02
you know, the people who are in the rooms with all the screens
42:04
and they're kind of monitoring the spies.
42:06
I want to be that person who like, at some point in a
42:08
dramatic moment, like, slams their hands on the table and
42:11
goes, God damn it, bright spot, get your shit together.
42:18
So I think I'd have like just like some sort of like code
42:20
letter, just like P And then that would be funny because.
42:24
You don't want to be pee. I do it.
42:32
Makes just that much better. Perfect.
42:34
I think it does. I think it underscores the
42:37
seriousness because I think in this world I wouldn't giggle at
42:42
everything. I'd be like a hard ass.
42:44
I'd be all serious all the time. It reminds me of James Bond like
42:48
Q. Yeah, I would like to see like
42:51
AQ to M kind of situation. That's the kind of situation I'm
42:54
going for. Is there?
42:56
Yeah, Yeah, for sure. The John Cleese of the of the
43:01
spy family, he plays Q don't look at me like that.
43:07
He's Q in the Pierce Brosnan bonds.
43:10
Here I was, I met M In my mind I was describing Q and I'm getting
43:14
my letters mixed up so you know P will fit.
43:16
That's OK, this is fine. Just to like, pick a letter in
43:20
the alphabet. I'll be that one.
43:23
You were thinking more like Judi Dench.
43:26
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I could do that too.
43:29
I although I feel like Judi Dench would never, never swear.
43:31
She's too like she'd have like a, you know, some Shakespearean
43:35
monologue to dress you down instead.
43:38
And it would feel so much worse. 100%.
43:42
Sure, I've heard Judi Dench swear.
43:46
Oh my God, Chris, you can't say that that's treason.
43:53
Oh no, The Kingsmen not. The Kingsmen will come for you,
43:57
not national treasure. Judi Dench.
44:01
She and Dame, because if not, she should be.
44:04
She is, yeah. Yeah, she is.
44:06
She's OBE, I think so like for for honors, for entertainment.
44:12
More or less. More or less, yeah.
44:17
Yeah, she's M She's OBE. Working up to 26.
44:21
Just give her give her other roles should be there.
44:27
Yeah, exactly. So that was last question.
44:32
Any kind of closing thoughts on Spy family?
44:34
Anything you want to leave the people with in terms of
44:37
encouraging people to go check out anime?
44:40
Any sideways recommendations like a if you like this, try
44:44
this Oh. Spy Family, I'd say.
44:49
I don't know. There's probably more of Beer
44:50
Alley because I would throw them in a totally different
44:53
direction. Oh, where would you throw them?
44:58
So I would say that, man, I'm really into the IT just came
45:04
out. I can't pronounce it for the
45:05
life of me, Gart. Gabachaga, or.
45:07
Something Bachaga got Chikuza chikuza.
45:11
Thank you. Just been watching that, how to?
45:13
Pronounce it. We're going to do that in a
45:17
couple of weeks. I'm excited.
45:19
Yeah. Oh nice.
45:20
I would kind of throw that in as like a sideway recommendation
45:23
because it has the same dynamic with like, you know, you've got
45:26
younger characters, right? Our protagonist in that is, you
45:30
know, a younger kid. We've got some really cool kind
45:33
of not really psychic powers, but you've got some, you know,
45:36
special power situation going on.
45:39
And it's kind of his relationship with, I don't know
45:42
if you guys have watched it yet or but you know, it has a lot to
45:45
do with his relationship and a mentorship with kind of, you
45:48
know, an older, more seasoned kind of Lloyd esque, you know,
45:53
character. So his name is engine in the
45:57
show. But anyway, it's I found it to
45:59
be a really fun series. Like it totally caught me off
46:02
guard. We actually started watching it.
46:04
We had done an interview like 2 weeks ago, someone had
46:07
recommended it and I was like, oh, to check it out.
46:09
And it did not disappoint at all.
46:12
OK, I have mine and actually I'm so glad that you asked that
46:15
question because I forgot how good this one was.
46:18
Buddy daddies just had to remember and look up the name.
46:21
Have you heard of this? No I haven't, but I sounds like
46:25
something that I will love. I swear it's like the same thing
46:28
when Hollywood has got like 2 films that come out at the same
46:31
time and they're like basically the same plot.
46:32
Like friends with benefits or what the it's no.
46:36
I have seen this and I have seen this and there's like a yeah,
46:41
there's like a blonde one and a dark haired one.
46:43
Yeah, yeah. And they're both trying to raise
46:45
a kid. Yeah, yeah.
46:46
Yes, and the two of them there are two spies happen to, you
46:50
know, come upon this girl. I won't give anything away but
46:52
it's a little girl that they then become the like parental
46:55
figure figures for cuz she has no one else and they're still
46:59
continuing to be spies. And I watched that following Spy
47:03
Family season 1, I think because I needed more of the similar
47:06
type tapes. While I wouldn't say that it was
47:09
on the level of Spy Family, I thought it was charming and fun
47:12
and I really loved it, so I would recommend that.
47:16
And for any of you out there who love Anya and spy family and in
47:22
love with her in the 1st 2 episodes, there's a little known
47:25
anime. The adaptations aren't great,
47:28
it's called Berserk and I would highly feel like it's gonna have
47:32
a lot of similar feels. Heartfelt.
47:36
You're Eagle. I thought you actually were
47:39
gonna lead us into thought no. Of Tanya the Eagle.
47:41
That's another grind. Yeah, that's you caught.
47:45
Thorough. Woods.
47:46
Towers, that's a better. That's a better part.
47:49
If you send people from spy family to Berserk, you are a
47:52
cruel man. It's like a touch of sadism for
47:57
that. Yeah.
48:00
For me it has to be like a. Year.
48:03
Yeah, Mr. Mustache, Is he working for the bad guys?
48:06
Is he a double agent? What's going on?
48:11
Sakamoto days for me would be the one that I would send people
48:15
to from this because it's a similar kind of except for it's
48:18
not spies, it's yakuza assassins.
48:22
Love it. But it's also got the one of my
48:25
favorite my new favorite tropes, which is man in 30s struggles to
48:31
cope with being middle-aged but also is like Opie.
48:36
Yeah. And it's like Madden 30s who
48:38
think you think has given up on his dreams.
48:43
I. Love that in Kaiju #8.
48:46
I love it and I love it in Sakamoto days.
48:48
So it's. I can't believe where they left
48:51
Kaiju #8 at the end of this last season.
48:53
I didn't know the season ended either, so I kept coming back
48:56
every week because, you know, sometimes they skip.
48:58
Maybe they're just taking a little break.
49:00
No, no, no, no. They also started it in such a
49:02
delightful way as well with the like the day off kind of energy
49:07
and they that completely floored me that they then go from that
49:11
into utter devastation. Complete.
49:16
Like. Absolute chaos.
49:17
Learn us in I'm so glad you said Kaiju #8, because when you're
49:20
describing the middle age, like in the 30s, you thought the man
49:24
had given up by his dreams. I'm like, oh, Kaiju #8, you had
49:27
a. Kaiju #8 Yeah, yeah.
49:30
There's like a theme emerging for me, and I think it's that
49:32
I'm secretly a a middle-aged man giving up on their dreams.
49:38
I love it. And then that leads me to think
49:41
about solo levelling, just because it came out when prize
49:43
#8 around the same time, first seasons.
49:46
And that one's just a banger, too.
49:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a bit of a sleeper
49:50
hit for me because at first I was like, I'm not sure, but it
49:53
builds, I think. And I think that's one way if
49:56
you need to watch the first 3 episodes before you make a
50:00
judgement call on it for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
50:04
Yeah, sorry. He is becoming sorry.
50:07
And he is. Becoming your sound technician
50:09
now. Yeah, don't do it.
50:13
I think that's a good place to wrap.
50:14
I think Anya's, Anya's, Anya's ready to go.
50:17
She's like, we've got a cast party to get to.
50:21
Let's wrap up you. Hear there's sangria, there's
50:23
milk for me. It's great, yeah.
50:26
Yeah, I'm gonna dance the night away.
50:29
Mom, let's go. I'm.
50:30
Not gonna watch Turk? Not till she's 16 at least.
50:38
She can. She can handle it at 14130 God
50:41
maybe 12. OK.
50:42
Now, when it comes to dating, Kyle's like, yeah, you can wait
50:45
till you're like 30. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
50:48
Probably different. Watch Turk and then make your
50:50
mind up about men. That's true.
50:53
I can use it as a scare tactic. I love this.
50:56
Parenting lessons. Fantastic.
51:01
Fabulous. Well, thank you both so much for
51:04
giving us some time in your day. We'll we'll let you go because
51:06
obviously Anya's anya's on the move again.
51:09
Yeah. Thanks very much.
51:12
Thank you both so much, absolutely fantastic.
51:15
Listen, Phoebe, thank you for having us.
51:17
I mean, we could aside from her, we could sit here and talk anime
51:20
all day with you guys. Thank you so much for having.
51:23
It's a thank you. No, it's a pleasure.
51:26
Yeah. We just like to talk about
51:27
cartoons with cool people. So it's, yeah, it's easy.
51:32
Bye. Sweet.
51:35
Thank you guys for having us. And if you ever are looking for
51:38
more guests, Anya is throwing her hat in the ring first.
51:41
We'll be close, you know, hopefully second and third.
51:43
Yeah, yeah, I'm back. She's like bring this down for
51:47
my close up, let's go. Thank you.
51:53
Thank you and. We, we just, we have her on
51:56
stream just because we know it's great for the numbers, you know,
51:58
adds a little bit of. Movie I I'm still going with our
52:04
Sunshine and Mr. Mustache. Are they?
52:07
And are they not spies with their daughter Anya?
52:10
Just We'll leave it at that. Yeah, I think that's perfect.