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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm trying to say, that there is
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  Speaker 1: that mindset within their cdo am I six, which I
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  Speaker 1: started the story with, that we need a war with Russia.
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  Speaker 2: Good Mornings, the UK column viewers and listeners, and to
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  Speaker 2: anybody else that's joined us from around the world. I'm
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  Speaker 2: delighted to have Deep Tea back with me, So welcome,
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  Speaker 2: Deep Tea.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian, nice to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: Good Now we'll just give a little bit of a summary.
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  Speaker 2: This is part two of the interview with you, but
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  Speaker 2: to give a little bit of a recap to help
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  Speaker 2: people who've had a look at Part one, or perhaps
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  Speaker 2: for somebody that's dipped their toe in to this interview,
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  Speaker 2: Deep Tea, you have been working for some time with
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  Speaker 2: an international group of people. The subject is defense and intelligence,
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  Speaker 2: and you've been working within an organization called Unit to
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  Speaker 2: examine the conflict in Ukraine and to bring facts and
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  Speaker 2: truth about what's been happening in Ukraine with regard to
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  Speaker 2: the war to a worldwide audience, and in particular to
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  Speaker 2: counter some of the clearly biased narrative that comes from
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  Speaker 2: Western media, of which for people in the United Kingdom,
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  Speaker 2: that bias, of course or much of it comes from
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  Speaker 2: the BBC itself. And what I'd like to do today
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  Speaker 2: is to get your opinion about the conflict in Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: so that we can really dig into some subjects that
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  Speaker 2: don't get covered certainly in the Western media. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: add to that for the audience that the key objective
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  Speaker 2: of you and your group, alongside getting out the truth
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  Speaker 2: as to what's been happening in Ukraine, is to try
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  Speaker 2: and bring that conflict to a close. And this is
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  Speaker 2: a very very important objective. So if I may, let's
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  Speaker 2: start off with the background to the war in Ukraine,
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  Speaker 2: because of course Western audiences are told that it's very simple.
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  Speaker 2: Those nasty Russians have the desire to expand their empire westward. Ukraine,
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  Speaker 2: a very rich country from natural resources, is there on
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  Speaker 2: the western border of Russia, and the objective of President
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  Speaker 2: Putin is to take over Ukraine and expand the Russian
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  Speaker 2: empire to the west. What's your response to that line
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  Speaker 2: by Western media.
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  Speaker 1: It's complete, completely false. It's a propaganda which is essential
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  Speaker 1: for native led by United Kingdom and the United States
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  Speaker 1: to achieve their objectives, and that objectives. Those objectives include
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  Speaker 1: a removal of President Putin and replacement of President Putin
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  Speaker 1: with somebody who is more let's just say, who's an
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  Speaker 1: asset of the Western governments. That's objective one. Objective two
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  Speaker 1: is to break up Russia into set into I think
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  Speaker 1: it is forty divisions, forty states. And so these are
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  Speaker 1: the two plain objectives of native. Of course, they haven't
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  Speaker 1: said anything of the sort. And if you say that
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  Speaker 1: to the public, they would think, what's going on. This
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  Speaker 1: is completely wrong. So they need a narrative, they need
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  Speaker 1: to justify what's going on. And so basically present Putin
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  Speaker 1: is completely crazy. He's a dictator. He is comparable to Hitler,
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  Speaker 1: and and yes, one day he wakes up and he
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  Speaker 1: wants Ukraine. Second day he'll wake up and he'll want
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  Speaker 1: Finland or Estonia or Latvia. And he's such an unreasonable
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  Speaker 1: dictator that he suppresses any voice within Russia and certainly
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  Speaker 1: doesn't he do anything that is being put forward by
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  Speaker 1: the West. So that's that's that's the primer. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like when you paint paint the walls of your house,
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  Speaker 1: you first have to eradicate all the previous stains and
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  Speaker 1: you put the primer on. So that's a primer and
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  Speaker 1: and so the word, the key word, and this is
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  Speaker 1: very important, it's it's military psychology or psyops, is to
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  Speaker 1: use unprovoked invasion, full scale invasion. So so two well
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  Speaker 1: two words do sets of words. One is unprovoked and
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  Speaker 1: the other is full scale, in which in both of
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  Speaker 1: them are complete and utterlyies. But they do the magic.
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  Speaker 1: They do the magic in the sense that if you
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  Speaker 1: talk to and let's say, you know about eighty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the British population would go ahead with this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: would would completely swallow this narrative. What whereas the reality
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  Speaker 1: is that the war was entirely planned by Britain and
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  Speaker 1: the United States. I'm saying Britain and the United States
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  Speaker 1: first because of a reason. So when President Putin started
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  Speaker 1: the sl he had no option. Basically what it had
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  Speaker 1: been happening was they had in twenty twenty one. End
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, there was a complete breakdown of
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  Speaker 1: talks between NATO and Russia, and the talks were being
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  Speaker 1: led in the front by the United States, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but in the back were the British, so basically pulling
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  Speaker 1: the strings for the British. And what it happened was
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  Speaker 1: and which you can see on the imageries. On the
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  Speaker 1: eighteenth of January, Britain started supplying Ukraine with armed with
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  Speaker 1: arms and ammunition. So you can see the ARIF planes
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  Speaker 1: landing into Kiev bringing in all sorts of ammunitions and
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  Speaker 1: the NATO army advancing to the front near don Bass.
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  Speaker 1: So you can actually see NATO. This isn't this isn't fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: You can actually see satellite data and you can actually
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  Speaker 1: see how Poland, Germany, France, United States, but majority of
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  Speaker 1: that was British and US and Polish how they're bringing
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  Speaker 1: in the arms into Ukraine and creating a front just
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  Speaker 1: off don Bass area. So they were actually preparing to
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  Speaker 1: invade don Bass militarily, as is a territory of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: So why would they invade a downbas It's not that
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  Speaker 1: they're you know, why would they do that to their
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  Speaker 1: own people all of a sudden. So that's not all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden. The war Endornbas has been going on
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  Speaker 1: for the last ten years, twelve years, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: something new that. So this was obviously picked up by
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  Speaker 1: the Russians and they have sterling ground intelligence based in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: People in Ukraine, who are you know, who are a
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  Speaker 1: part of that culture, or you know, they're talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: They can hear it that, okay, there are plans of
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  Speaker 1: such plans going on. So they obviously feed the data
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  Speaker 1: into Russia and they're concerned, and Russia knows there is
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  Speaker 1: it there. There are these talks of a military move
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  Speaker 1: into don Bass. Now, upon analysis, what it feels to
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  Speaker 1: us is that this entire thing was a way to
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  Speaker 1: trigger an action to be taken by Russia. So essentially
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  Speaker 1: it could have been a psyop as well, a very
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  Speaker 1: high level psiop where military actions were you know, were
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  Speaker 1: actually possible. So basically it was either way Russia would
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  Speaker 1: have reacted. It would have had no choice but to
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  Speaker 1: enter into a conflict at that on that front. But
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  Speaker 1: how did it arrive at that stage. It came to
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  Speaker 1: that stage because since twenty fourteen, In twenty fourteen, there
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  Speaker 1: was an incidence called the Maidan incidents, and in this
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, the president, the democratically elected president of
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine was overthrown by a NATO led entity. So we
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  Speaker 1: can put names on it, but it was a very
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  Speaker 1: complex operation which was once again in the front was
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  Speaker 1: the United States. In the back was the United Kingdom,
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  Speaker 1: so people would have heard the names of John McCain
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  Speaker 1: or Victorian Newland, etc. Planning the overthrow of the democratically
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  Speaker 1: elected president at that time, Yanikovic, and that ended up
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  Speaker 1: actually in a series of killings or civil war sort
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  Speaker 1: of a situation. But this isn't any some random civil war.
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  Speaker 1: So this was aimed at targeting ethnic Russians. And there's
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  Speaker 1: a speech of President pochen Go after that where he's
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  Speaker 1: openly asking for eradication of Russian children or suppression of
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  Speaker 1: Russian children, saying don't quote me on the exact words,
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  Speaker 1: but we can provide that clip where he's actually saying
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  Speaker 1: that we are children, meaning that Ukrainian children will go
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  Speaker 1: to school, they'll go their have kindergartens, they'll have sunlight,
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  Speaker 1: but their children will sit in the basement with nothing,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what they deserve. So this is the president
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  Speaker 1: of a nation talk you know, on on national television,
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  Speaker 1: on all sorts of articles. He is actually promoting what
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  Speaker 1: it can only be called as in Nazi ideology. So
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  Speaker 1: he is the head there. And now who is Poroshenko.
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  Speaker 1: Poroshenko is a US asset, He's certainly he's working hand
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  Speaker 1: in hand with the United States with CIA agents telling
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  Speaker 1: him exactly what to say, what to do, and so
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  Speaker 1: on and so forth. So essentially it's the the coup
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  Speaker 1: in my in Kiev was orchestrated in the front by
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  Speaker 1: the United States, who are working very much hand in
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  Speaker 1: hand and very much so dominatingly by the under on
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  Speaker 1: the instruction of the British. So basically, since that time,
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  Speaker 1: the population, the ethnic Russian population in Donbas was targeted,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about military targeting. These were people,
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  Speaker 1: simple civilians going about their daily business, you know, children
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  Speaker 1: going to school, mothers, going shopping with your kids and family,
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  Speaker 1: and or you know, just just having a nice time
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  Speaker 1: by a beach for instance. And they're on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the board, not either side of the border
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  Speaker 1: at that time, but the mainland Ukrainian contingent is actually
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  Speaker 1: constantly targeting them. So that led to a formation of
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  Speaker 1: a sort of a hypothetical boundary or a frontier between
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  Speaker 1: don Bas and the Western Ukraine, and the people of
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  Speaker 1: don Bass repeatedly asked Russia, which is president Putant, to
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  Speaker 1: assist because these are ethnic Russians, you know, and they
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  Speaker 1: speak Russians, Russian and so on. So of so present
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  Speaker 1: putin put the whole scenario in front of the United
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  Speaker 1: Nations several times, you know, asked the United Nations to
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  Speaker 1: intervene in the in the scenario to no effect, to
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  Speaker 1: know effect. Additionally, there was supporting data which now everybody knows,
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  Speaker 1: but at that time it was considered as a conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theory or if you say about it, you're a Russian propagandist.
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  Speaker 1: Were the presence of bioweapons laboratories right at the border
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  Speaker 1: of Russia. Now, bioweapons laboratories is you know, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing there? But these laboratories were actually
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  Speaker 1: ethnically targeting, sorry, targeting ethnic Russians. So they were capturing
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  Speaker 1: the Ukrainians. Or let's assume there is an ordinary Ukrainian
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  Speaker 1: ethnic Russian, but he or she they are citizens of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: So they would abduct these people, they would bring them
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  Speaker 1: to these facilities, inject them with god knows what to
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  Speaker 1: see what the outcomes were. So these were actually subjects
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  Speaker 1: or guinea pigs. The ethnic Russian population was the other
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  Speaker 1: guinea pigs of the NATO led bio weapons testing facilities.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, so there were accumulative factors essentially, but
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  Speaker 1: it did come to a military standard. You know, point
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  Speaker 1: on the eighteenth of January was the first British flight
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  Speaker 1: recorded by this satellite imagery flying into Kiev delivering the
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  Speaker 1: the components in Kiev. That's obviously picked up by Russia.
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  Speaker 1: So is this unprovoked? No, sorry, it's not unprovoked. It's
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  Speaker 1: a fully orchestrated scenario which NATO wanted in order to
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  Speaker 1: draw Russia into a response. Russia had no choice but
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  Speaker 1: to defend itself and the people in Donbass because its
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  Speaker 1: options were that Natal steps into don directly or indirectly,
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  Speaker 1: and then it has NATO at its border. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: when President Putin gave the speech of the SMO, why
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  Speaker 1: he's entering into that. I think the audience needs needs
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  Speaker 1: to hear every single word of what he's saying, because
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  Speaker 1: every single sentence in that speech is it's accurate beyond
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  Speaker 1: the imagination even at that time. So he's saying neo Nazism,
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  Speaker 1: native expansion has two main things. Both of them are pertinent.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. Let me come back
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  Speaker 2: and I want to reinforce some of the things you've
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  Speaker 2: said and also just to get you to repeat some
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  Speaker 2: of it, perhaps in a little bit simpler terms for
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  Speaker 2: the audience. But at the beginning of your segment you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned really what NATO, the US NATO was trying to achieve,
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  Speaker 2: and that was essentially to remove President Putin, and the
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  Speaker 2: accepted term for this in the West over a great
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  Speaker 2: many years has been regime change. And of course we've
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  Speaker 2: seen the West work for regime change in a number
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  Speaker 2: of countries. We've seen it in Iraq, we've seen it
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  Speaker 2: in Libya, we've seen it in operation in the Balkans.
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  Speaker 2: And this has been a very successful policy of essentially
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  Speaker 2: working inside a country to help destabilize it, to work
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  Speaker 2: with anybody in that country that's got a grievance in
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  Speaker 2: order to help divide the country and ultimately to remove
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  Speaker 2: the ruler. And one of the things that I must
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  Speaker 2: certainly mention is that UK column revealed many years ago
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  Speaker 2: that the BBC's own charity called BBC Media Action had
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  Speaker 2: boasted one of the project managers, a lady called Juliet Harkin,
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  Speaker 2: boasted on record that the BBC had worked BBC Media
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  Speaker 2: Action had been working inside inside Syria to work with
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  Speaker 2: those who essentially wanted regime change, to assist them in
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  Speaker 2: what they were doing so. This was the charitable arm
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  Speaker 2: of the BBC working inside foreign country to help remove,
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  Speaker 2: destabilize and remove the legitimate head of that country. Are
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  Speaker 2: sad being the gentleman in that case. So when you
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  Speaker 2: talk about the West wanting regime change inside Russia, this
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  Speaker 2: isn't a fantasy claim because it's Russia. This is something
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  Speaker 2: which the West has got a clear track record of
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  Speaker 2: doing to countries. And why does it want to do
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  Speaker 2: why does it want to achieve regime change? Were normally
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  Speaker 2: so that the country has taken over and then can
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  Speaker 2: be stripped of its assets, of which of course oil
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  Speaker 2: is often the key asset that's under consideration, but it
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  Speaker 2: can be to do with strategic strategic position in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Syria would fall into that case as Syria occupies a
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  Speaker 2: very important geo geographical position in the world. So I
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  Speaker 2: want you to just come back and emphasize this, but
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  Speaker 2: can I just get you to say a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more about really the history in Ukraine, because the the
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  Speaker 2: Western audience isn't really thinking in terms of history in
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  Speaker 2: the same way that people in the people in Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: and Russia think of the history. Because of course, there
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  Speaker 2: was such a horrific violence during the Second World War,
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  Speaker 2: and the casualties on the Eastern Front are still beyond
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  Speaker 2: most people in the West. So I think the United
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  Speaker 2: Kingdom suffered about three hundred and eighty five thousand people
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  Speaker 2: killed in the Second World War was a course for
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  Speaker 2: the Russians, we are talking somewhere around thirty thirty two
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  Speaker 2: thirty four million, including the military and civilians. And in
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  Speaker 2: that brutal fighting. The brutality was particularly significant between elements
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  Speaker 2: of the Ukrainians who'd been fighting with the Nazis with
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  Speaker 2: the fair mark on the on the Eastern Front. So
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  Speaker 2: much as we would like to think people have moved
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  Speaker 2: on since the Second World War, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: very vicious history which sits under the surface between Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: and Russia. Is that a reasonable summary.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And this is you've touched upon something that
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  Speaker 1: we really want to be a public to start understanding,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, when we talk about conflicts between nations. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate, ultimate, you know, reason which we'd like to
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  Speaker 1: tell ourselves and we is founded in reality, is of
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  Speaker 1: course that this is to to divide a country and
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  Speaker 1: then basically get over the strategic reserves. Essentially, as you
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  Speaker 1: put it, I was of the same, Well not really,
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  Speaker 1: but I was of the same understand I thought, okay, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that probably makes sense in terms of the ultimate goal
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  Speaker 1: or the end of game in relation to Russia. So
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  Speaker 1: but now, and this is me one year, one year
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  Speaker 1: from you know, last year, essentially, I'm just thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 1: not everything fits into this, there's something more to it.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm having data sets from within
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  Speaker 1: within Ukraine and here in Europe, especially Britain and the
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  Speaker 1: United States, which is signaling that this is there's much
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  Speaker 1: more story to this, and it's all coming back to
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  Speaker 1: World War One and World War two, especially World War two,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been a very uncomfortable discovery that you know,
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about Nazism, we automatically think, okay, we've
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  Speaker 1: got bad German entities against Jews. Well, what we omit
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  Speaker 1: to understand is that actually the major focus was against
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  Speaker 1: the Eastern Europeans, essentially the Slavic entities. And this is
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  Speaker 1: something somehow it's omitted from the you know, when we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about World War two and the atrocities that were
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  Speaker 1: committed at that time, people are not told that actually
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  Speaker 1: there were they were directed at the Soviet Union or
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  Speaker 1: the population of eastern flank of Europe, and a significant
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  Speaker 1: part of it, and a big, big part role was
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  Speaker 1: played by the Ukrainian Nazis. Now today these elements are
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  Speaker 1: being decorated in form of heroes inside Ukraine. Why is that?
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  Speaker 1: So you obviously start scratching your head as to you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's actually going on? Is it an attempt to glorify
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  Speaker 1: something that we perhaps weren't ever told you know, what
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  Speaker 1: was going on? So I'll take the audience a little
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  Speaker 1: bit behind, like one or two years from now if
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  Speaker 1: you look at maybe even before twenty eighteen was the
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  Speaker 1: last documentary by BBC about Neo Nazis inside Ukraine. And
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  Speaker 1: since then there has you know, the naming of battalions
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  Speaker 1: as of battalion, the honoring of the people within these
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  Speaker 1: battalions or formal leaning battalions has been passed off as normal,
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  Speaker 1: so like people should actually understand that these people are
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  Speaker 1: fighting for the independence of their country. Well and good,
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  Speaker 1: that's all, okay, But what is the ideology of these entities?
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  Speaker 1: And there is a name called Andrei Bilitsky. Andre Bilitsky
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  Speaker 1: has openly stated that this war, which is whose first
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  Speaker 1: or now we are in the second phase of this
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  Speaker 1: They're meant to be five stages of this war. We're
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  Speaker 1: now at the end of the second phase. Andre Bolitski
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  Speaker 1: says that this war is the final battle which would
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  Speaker 1: see the comeback of the white supremacist white races. And
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  Speaker 1: he and he is an ardent follower of Hitler, of uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know all the Nazi idea ideologies, especially to do
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  Speaker 1: with with Ukraine. Essentially, so and this this gentleman or
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  Speaker 1: this man is leading the one of the commanding units
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  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. So early on in the in the SMO,
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  Speaker 1: we are hearing news or reports which are then ground
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  Speaker 1: verified of the horrific crimes committed by especially these battalions
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  Speaker 1: against ordinary civilians who are Russians, and which I have
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  Speaker 1: spoken about this in the conference. I mean, the granularity
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  Speaker 1: of it is unimaginable, you know, crimes against pregnant women, crimes,
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  Speaker 1: crimes against elderly and children. Then you think about it
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  Speaker 1: with the lens of well, this is a war going on.
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  Speaker 1: Does the do the Russians commit the same atrocities? I
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  Speaker 1: have to say yes, they're they're contingent within Russian groups
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  Speaker 1: Russian army that are also accused of having committed atrocities,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been to Ukraine and I can vouch for
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there are I came across villages and
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  Speaker 1: witnesses who have who have emotionally told what has happened
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  Speaker 1: to their villages. So, okay, fine, we've got both both sides,
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  Speaker 1: but what is actually happening. What's happening is that the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: targeting is only towards either side. It's on the Russian
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Slavic community. So where's this coming from? Now? I take
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you back to World War two, just before the World
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: War Two had two years prior to World War Two
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: finishing in nineteen forty three or something like that, or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: even nineteen forty two. There are heads within the fcdo here,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the Foreign Office here who and the MI six who
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: are pondering as to what's going to happen to their position,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: their income after the war. And I'm not talking about
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: in layman's term or just extrapolating or thinking about it. No,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: they are names, they are specific names, and they're thinking
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: there has to be a post war engagement, and Soviet
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Union has to be engaged in a war. So basically,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: as soon as the World War Two is finished, they've
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: got to mount an invasion of Soviet Union, and to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: do that they have to recruit people in areas similar
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to as in Ukraine. So the Nazi factions in Ukraine
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: would be extremely helpful to actually be to play a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: vital role in this in this war. And similarly, Germany
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: has to be turned into a British ally. However, the British,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the British people also understand that are the people who
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: are making these these plants. They also understand that actually,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: we won't have any success unless we have the biggest
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: partner on board. And who is that biggest partner? It's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: always the United States of America. So they present this
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: proposal very you know, hush hush proposal to the US
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: saying well, look, you know, I think we should we
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: should start, we should take this military step right after
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: World War Two. And they're turned down. So this is
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in nineteen forty you know, from nineteen forty two to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, they're pulling all the strings. So basically
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: there are factions within the FCDO and the MI six,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and these are special factions, special units inside who are
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, very secretive, but they have in terms of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: so in the sentence which I really think is very important.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: They are themselves creating the bridges to cross them. This
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: is the sentence used by one of the FCDO officers
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: at that time, who was totally aware that Soviet Union
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was not a threat to Britain. Soviet Union wanted relationships
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: with Britain and the United States and the Allies. And
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: in his words, it is that the British want a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: war with the Soviet Union and they are presenting it
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: as a contingency that Soviet Union can become an enemy
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: at one stage, but they have no supporting evidence for that,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: so they are creating the bridges in order to cross them.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So I think that sentence is extremely important and that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: you know en comp that just summarizes the summary, either
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the sentiment or within this PHB unit and other units
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: of the FCDO and MI six. So after the World
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: War Two we have a faction of Ukrainian Nazi in
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Nazi units which are which prefer to surrender, not to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: use Soviet Union, but to Britain and the United States.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: How do they know that? It's because simply Soviet Union
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: would send them off to the gulags or execute them.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: These are people who are actually you know, these are
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: these are people who have committed horrific crimes on Ukrainians themselves,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: so Ukrainian civilian population, so they end up it's about
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: they end up surrendering to the allies, so basically US
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and United Kingdom. In Italy, it's in Remeny. So from
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Remeni there are eight thousand entities, eight thousand people who
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: are then brought back into Britain. And these people are
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: brought back into Britain hush hush, So they are they
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: are obviously the the excuse given in the House of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Commons and other queries, you know, questions arising because people
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: have a question that hey, hang on, these are war criminals.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: These are people who have killed civilians, ordinary only women, children, elderly,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And how come we are giving
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: them the refuge with the same old, same old story.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You know. That's exactly how how how you know hybrid
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: warfare begins is that you start firstly saying no, no, no,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: these are prisons of war and they would face certain
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: depth if we hand them over to the Soviet Union.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: So we are bringing them in, you know, to to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: protect them, because because they are human beings and someone's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: forth and then everything is quiet for several decades. We
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, where these entities went, what happened.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, the common public doesn't know. It makes headlines
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: one day and then it's all hush hush. This list
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of eight thousand people is called there's a term for it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It's called the Rimini List. Now, these eight thousand people,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: they are absorbed within the United Kingdom. They're quite in this,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: not all of them, of course, but quite a significant
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: portion of them. They are absorbed within the within the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: MI six and security services who are speci scifically targeting
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: operations against this Union. So essentially they form an integral
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: part of British operations within Soviet Union and later on,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you know, when Soviet Union breaks apart in in In
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: into Russia and other satellite states. So they are the operators.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: The met Police is informed about this, and the met
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Police is like, yes, we need to investigate this because
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: these guys are actually now, they are having pension, they've
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: got NHS, they've got everything. And the investigation into into
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: these the into the by the Met Police is stopped
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: so they're not allowed to progress with it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: When when you're talking about.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Two thousand, I think this is now two thousand.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Right, so police has been encouraged to investigate the fact
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: that we had eight thousand extremists or very dangerous former
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: military personnel from Ukraine had been residents in UK and
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: they had not been I used the term a military
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: term debriefed. These people had not been properly debriefed. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons I find this very interesting is
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: because many extreme Nazi, particularly extreme Nazi officers, were identified
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: within the prison of prisoners of war held in UK
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: during the Second World War, and at the end of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the war, those Nazi officers specifically went under a surveillance
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: program and a re education program in order to try
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and change some of their extreme Nazi views. So the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: UK did work, at least in some directions to de
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: nazifying Nazis. But strangely, when we have this group of
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: individuals from Ukraine with the same Nazi belief system, they
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: were not debriefed.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Can I comment on that, because this is this is
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a tactic which is used in operations, military operations everywhere.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: It's not just British. So what happens is and I'm sorry,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: but I'll yeah, I'll break it down as simply as
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I can. But you know, when you're into a military operation,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you do need assistance of the people who are simple
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: who are the enemies of your enemy. Okay, However, in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the case of World War Two and these Ukrainian Nazis
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: or or other Nazi prisoner prisoner or gorz you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: at the end, the intelligence community here would have needed
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: assistance simply for the contingency plan. You know, we at
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that stage. I'm sure people couldn't have predicted how Rassia
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: were evolve, how Soviet Union would evolve, in so and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: so forth. So you do have a contingency plan. But
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to actually nurture those people, give train them into the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: trade craft, and then deploy them is completely into offensive operations,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: not defensive operations by the way, you know, so like sabotage,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: like you know, essentially regime change operations as well. So
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it's these guys were actually involved in these kind of operations,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but to the public to show that something is being done.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: So if you've got hundred of those out of which
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you evaluate, and there is any you know, very stringent
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: evaluation process that takes place, and out of those reports,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you see, okay, these six people are excellent for overseas
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: operation deployments. Okay, so those six people will never figure
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: out in any de nazification processes, so they will then
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: be recruited, whereas the rest of them would form what
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: would what the public would see as the right thing
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to be done, you know, the moral thing to be done,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. So and that satisfies
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the public that something's being done, but the main ones
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: are shielded from that and they are used and and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: then again there is this weighting process weight like weight,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: how heavy? So again, so let's assume there is a massive, big,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you know, influential leader person and he has been captured,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: so he would carry much more weight as compared to
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a simple operator on the field. So so you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: there are various parameters to consider as to what is
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: fed to the public. Because but the question comes back
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to who is it who makes these decisions and are
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: they not themselves Nazis? Have you heard of a British Nazi?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So for in our evaluation, what we've understood it is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the thought processes through which the British policies in Ukraine
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: have been dictated since nineteen forty three and forty two
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: can only be classified as British Nazi ideologies, and these
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: are British Nazis holding the prime officers from Churchill times
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: till now. And because the US turned down down their
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Operation Unthinkable proposal in nineteen forty five or roundabouts of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that time, they then started recruiting strategic pathways to subduing
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Russia or Soviet.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Union deep to just come in if I may on this.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So the operation formulated at the very end of the
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Second World War in order to tackle the Soviet Union,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: which was operating as an ally at that stage, of
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: course against the Germans, was operational thinkable, and Churchill was
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: extremely enthusiastic about this idea of turning the remains of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the German army and employing the German Army alongside the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Western Allies in order to attack Soviet Union, the Soviet
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Union and the Soviet Union troops inside Western Europe in
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: order to roll the borders of the West back towards
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the east. The irony being that essentially the plan sounded
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: very much like Operation Barbarossa, which the the Germans had
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: already unleashed against the Soviet Union. Now you said that
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: this plan was turned down by the Americans.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: And Sage's that stage.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: However, what continued at the end of the Second World
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: War was the rapid absorption of certainly the Nazi intelligence
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: system into the Western intelligence system. So anybody who'd operated
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: successfully as an agent inside the Soviet Union or had
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: been working with military intelligence for the Germans was recruited
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to work alongside Western intelligence and military intelligence powers. And
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: the next thing that happened, of course, was the German
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Army was very quickly drawn into alliance with the West
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: and ultimately NATO, and senior German military officers who'd been
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: operating under the Nazi regime, many of them were then
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: given very senior posts within the German Army operating in NATO.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: So the historical path showing that it's not as clear
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: as the public were told at the end of the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Second World War. And I'll just add one more thing,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: which is something I only learned probably about five or
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: six years ago, was that at the end of the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Second World War, at the time Churchill wanted to attack
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Russia on the basis that the Soviet Union would continue
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to move westwards in Western Europe. The Russians moved I
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: think it was about two point four million troops from
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the Western border all the way across Russia in order
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: to clear the remains of the Japanese Army out of Manchuria.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So as Churchill was alleging that the Russians were lining
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: up to continue their advance Westwood, to take over the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: rest of Germany and to move into France, they were
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: actually withdrawing millions of troops in order to deal with
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the remnants of the Chinese of the Japanese Army in China,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: which they did successfully in a very interesting military operation.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So the truth is there in history, but of course
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Western audiences have only been told part of the truth.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, Brian, what you said just now, you know, can
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you see the similarity in the narrative that Russia is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: going to take over all of Europe? That is the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: narrative we've been given since twenty twenty two, when at
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: that stage Russia was really wanting talks with NATO and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: to resolve it, and as the same narrative that church
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: will put forward, so one can easily understand. And the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: people within FCDO and MI six themselves were saying that
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: this is all borderedash, there was no supporting evidence at all,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and that Stalin had actually wanted to work together with
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the Allies. So in fact, you know, the British were
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the ones who were saying that for intelligence sharing. For instance,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: they said that we won't be sharing any intelligence with
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union unless they share something of equal value
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: with us. Now take that and compare it with what
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: happened in Crocus. Crocus twenty twenty two, you know, do
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you know strategically the natal intelligence of British and American
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: intelligence they withheld intelligence of a terrorist attack in Crocus,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: which they themselves were linked with until the last minute.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: So you know, we're seeing things in operation that were
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: already theoretically there since nineteen forty two, entirely the concoction
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: of the British entities, especially and propelled by Churchill. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you know, one has to really think with their heads
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: on their shoulder that we as as Britain here, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we we barely know what is actually going on, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's time and when when. What really gets
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: to me emotionally is this, and this is what drove
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: me to be involved in this whole subject, is the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: loss of so many people, millions, thousands of British entities
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: of course, but across the world. You know, millions of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: people who fought against Nazis in the Second World War
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and the first one, first and Second World War, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: then you know, these people they end up standing in
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: front of an epitaph or playing you know, putting the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: wreaths down by Starmer, by Macron, by Biden, et cetera,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: in on Remembrance Day, wearing a puppy when they are
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: the very ones contacting lies and pushing a third World
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: War with Drassia on the same old lies. You know.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And one thing which I wanted to add was that
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Britain worked together. So m I six and m I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: five were were working together with the Stephan Bandera until
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: he was killed, and George Bush Senior was working with
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the other Nazi compatriots of Bandera. So they are pictures.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: So this is not not not fantasy, This is like
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you can you can actually google George Bush
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Senior supporting the Nazi units, and then you've got photographs,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: You've got recorded meetings, well declassified memos which you are
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: seeing that this these are the two entities that are
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: pushing this forward. And then you start putting everything into
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: picture that they you know, in nineteen forty five, US
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: turned it down, not because of any moral issue. They
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: turned it down, that proposal down because strategically it was
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: something which was not possible. Militarily, it wasn't possible. So
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: they it wasn't like, oh, yes, we we are more more.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: You know, we are people of good morality. We don't
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: want to do this, you know, no, no, no, no no.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: There was a strategic evaluation of the plan that Churchill
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: had put forward, and they said, militarily it is not possible.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It has to be in a staged process, which is
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: called the Salami process. So you do it slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: and if you then see the historic events in relation
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to this operation unthinkable, you will then see all blocks
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: fit into the pictures. So the breaking up of the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union was the first one, and then leading up
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to that you have you've got the support of the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian factions, but also the wars. So you're seeing Syria,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you are seeing Iraq, you're seeing Iran, you're seeing Venezuela,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you're seeing any nation which is an ally of the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: unit of the Soviet Union is targeted. I'm not saying
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that's the only only reason why it's targeted. It is
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: targeted because it's because of hybrid warfare. Know how the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: relationship with another country can strength strengthen your country. So
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union depended on certain entities and then Russia depended
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: on certain countries and still does. So you go one
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: by one removing the blocks each block. So in our
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: report which we submitted in twenty twenty four, we said
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: we predicted that there is a try. We called it
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: a trifle approach, meaning three entities that needed different strategies
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: of being subjugated to the West, and that was Russia, China,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and India. Each of them had their own strategy, so
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the West had thought of their own strategy, but for
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Russia it was removed. China, India is subdued in a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: separate way, Brazil in a separate way. You've got Venezuela
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of course gone Cuba, and then you've these are the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: major allies of Russia. So when you're seeing the entire
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: pig so you understand this is all a part of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Operation Unthinkable under different sections. And ultimate goal is which
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I would ask people to go and research this is
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: that how did fcdo or Britain establish a satellite entity
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: in the Baltic States and this is in nineteen nineties
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: sometimes and you can see the funding going through and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that entity, and I'm not going to name that entity here,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: but that entity then recruited the second generation Nazis from
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the Baltics, promoted them, befriended them, promoted them, and they
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: ended up owning major businesses and political became political leaders.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And at the same time they recruited and that there
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: was another branch of this particular entity which was established
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in the United States, which did exactly the same. So
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: befriended the young people at that time, gave them business
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: opportunities inside Ukraine and so on and so forth, and and
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: promoted them as leaders of both you know, the both houses,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the Red and the Blues. And then you see that
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: faction becoming so powerful and leading the Senate and the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: houses in in the US and on the on the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: European side in the Balitics, you see the same people
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: becoming the prime minister's presidents, foreign ministers and so on
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and so forth. And all of them are educated in
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Oxford and Cambridge. By the way, so I'll give the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: one most important example is Sikorsky and apple Baum. So
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: they're both educated by oh oh they're basically essentially MI
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: six operators. So so what you're seeing is a is
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a very strong, undeniable proof how Britain's British mind is
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: behind this, and it is not driven by by only
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: strategic dominance over Russia. It is it is out. The
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: reasoning we've come to, and it's very uncomfortable, is the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: hatred of Russia. And if you hear the speech of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher, I don't remember when, but there's one speech
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: he gives you know where it's actly palpable. You can
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: actually hear the sentiment behind it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: This is a very important point. And agree it's a
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: point which many people in this country just don't appreciate.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I remember when Thereasa May was speaking out about Ukraine
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and calmly discussing all the assets of Ukraine, whether it
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: was the wheat and the food production or it was minerals.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: And in the UK column reporting we used black humor,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: but we identified her speech as Operation Barbarossa too. It
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: was very clear to us that there was this underlying
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: aggression and also greed, greed for the assets. So I
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: think you raise a particularly good point for that. The
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the other person that comes into my mind is, of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: course Boris Johnson, because at a time when there was
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a possibility of peace in Ukraine and the Istanbul peace
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: stalks r underway, it was Boris Johnson that I say
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: most worked single handedly to make sure that those peace
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: talks failed.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I have. We've got a lot on that
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: bit because that was that's one of our central part
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: of of of data that we hope the public is
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: able to understand how how how dangerous these people are.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: And so what had happened was so when you say that,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you know, when when you're hear them in the news
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that oh, well, you know, Russia had Russia was own back,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like pushed back in twenty twenty two, in
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: between February and March, that's not the truth. The truth
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: is that I think the failing point for Russia, that
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: point had been until now has been that it has
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: hoped for dialogue. And I can say that because I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was involved in the process, you know, one to one,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I was involved in the process. So they'd hoped that
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: there would be suitable entities within Britain who would want
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to understand and have a dialogue with them. And similarly
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: they had hope the same for the United States in
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. When the SMO started, they knew they
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: had to make a step, but they weren't willing to
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: engage in a full scale of invasion sort of a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: thing like it has been told to the public here. Instead,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: what they thought was a strategic move was they'll come
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: in with the whole mind. They'll hold somebody by their
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: caller and say, hey, if you don't behave there is
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: a war at your on your doorsteps. Yeah, So that
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was what that was what they did. So they came
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: in down from Belarus down to Kiev, took all that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: or the entire area while the talks were going on.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: So in the talks there was and you know, there
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: was they there was word that okay, yes there is
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: something productive which can come out of this. When they
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: got that report, they then strategically drew their forces back
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: because they thought that's going to work out. It's completely
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: militarily impossible to go down south. If if you look
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: at the map of Ukraine, then you can see there's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a road that goes down south from Belarus et cetera,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: from Chernihee Belarus and you know, just think about it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: You've got a few thousand people gone into Kiev. But
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you don't have any supporting contingents. It was never meant
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to occupy Ukraine at that time. You would be encircled,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you would be those you'll lose all those true completely.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: So that was just like a threatening move that guys,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: listen to us, let's talk, otherwise there's war coming. Then
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Russia began withdrawing, okay, because they thought the talks were fruitful.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: But Britain didn't want that. Britain didn't want that. And
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: we've got one hundred percent evidence to prove what British
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: m I six in tandem with the SBU did in Kiev.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: So Kiev, outside Kiev on the western side, you've got
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a small settlement called Butcher. The public of Ukraine obviously
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't want a war with Russia. Russia they see themselves
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: as the same country literally, but so they need the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: public support to carry on the war. So they need
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to show to the public those evil Russians have done
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: something so awful and they're not going to stop. So
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: we need to fight for the security of our own
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: people and land. And what did I six and Butcher
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: sorry SBU do They staged a massacre in Butcher on
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: a dage, which is hilarious because of her people who
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: must have been planning it here in Britain must have
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: should have gone through strategic details of that operation, because
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: they didn't. The entire the Russians had withdrawn from that area,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and these guys they brought in bodies from don Bass area,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: which where there were natural casualties, and they laid them
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: at a very specific distance on the on the road,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: pretending showing to the world that actually, you know, the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Russian troops killed so many civilians and they tied their
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: hands in the back and so on, so of forth.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Who supported this narrative big thatllight imagery datus came out
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: bing bing bing. Look, here are the bodies that the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Russians uh tortured and put on the on the road
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: for air for the whole world to see. Essentially, and
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: but they got the dates wrong. They got the dates wrong.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: And funnily enough, when max if I would encourage the
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: people to ask Maxar or Vantwal to provide them with
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the data of that specific date, you know, of the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: imageries in Butcher and of that particular street, and let's
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: it would be very interesting for them to see what
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Max Max tells them. Anyhow, So this was the instigation
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: used by Britain and the SBU, under the instructions of
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Britain to to basically annul the Istanbul peace stock and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: writing flows flows flies in Boris Johnson. So to say
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that Boris Johnson single was just one person, no, no, no, no.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: This was an entire military operation planned very strategically. Some
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: points were omitted here, but certainly it was a joint
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: operation of the British intelligence services.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that data. I reinforce your point about
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: the first military operation by the Russians, because again a
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: lot of people here have very little concept of exactly
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: how big a country Ukraine is. At the moment. The
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: fighting that's going on in Ukraine is on a front
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: which is over eight hundred miles long, and with the
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: twists and turns of the front, it's probably well over
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: one thousand miles long. But the number of troops that
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: the Russians moved into position in the very early days
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: was never the number of troops that would be necessary
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: for a full scale of invasion and takeover of Ukraine.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: So this was another part of the story that was
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: fed to the Western public by the intelligence services, the
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Western pressent and media, and then you've explained how steps
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: towards peace were disrupted in a premeditated and calculated way
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: in the West. And certainly the stories of Russian atrocities
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: did have an effect on Western audiences. I mean, the
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: BBC was full of it, the newspapers were full of it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Everything was to do with Russian soldiers killing civilians and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: brutalizing civilians, and absolutely nothing was said about the common
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Ukrainian tactic of burying its military forces into civilian areas
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine in order to protect them, because obviously the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: idea was that the civilian forces would shield those Ukrainian troops.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: So there's been a very biased story told to Western audiences.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: But the underlying theme, which you are absolutely reinforcing, is
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that the West was desperate to make the conflict into
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: a much larger kinetic war. And you've already talked about
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: the West moving in weapons ammunitions, munitions that are very
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: early stage because the reality is that Ukraine did not
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: have the ability to defend itself against the Russian military
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: without the full support of the West. So that Western
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: intervention with munitions at very early stage was critical. To
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the war expanding.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: RN. You know what, I think the most important thing
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: in all this is that, you know, the veterans here
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: in Britain, they need to understand what's going on and
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: they need to be able to ask questions as to
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: what is you know, because in our simplistic view, we
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: are being used as part of a Nazi operation. Simple,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: there aren't any two ways about it, and this is
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: immoral to every degree. And I think any good British person,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: or a European person or an American person, once they understand
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: what is actually behind all this, will be able to
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: connect the dots and will truly question and needs to
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: truly question what we as people and our kids and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: our resources are. You know, everything come on the sacrifices
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: which we are being asked to make for what. I mean,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: there's a serious questionnare for what. And big entities and schools,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: colleges and universities and organizations they need to actually be
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: held responsible as to why information is so censored and
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: skewed to the pupils, you know, because seriously, there is
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: no excuse that once people understand, okay, what's the background,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: there is no way, no way Britain should be involved
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: in this or in this kind of immoral operation. And Ukrainians,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: poor Ukrainians, you know they are the worst because they
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: can say nothing, so you know they're being shelled by
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the Russians, they are being used by uk US, NATO,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: and certainly they are under thread by their own administration.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: This is a very good point because consistently comments from
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: both politicians in the United Kingdom but also in America,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: those politicians have talked about the war and the prosecution
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: of the war in that it's to be fought to
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: the last Ukrainian.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: The Western politicians European, United Kingdom, United States simply do
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: not care what the casualties are on the Ukrainian side.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm emphasizing the Ukrainian side first because allegedly we're
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: supporting the Ukrainians, we are friends with Ukrainians. But everything
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: the West is doing indicates that they are happy for
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: the entire male population of Ukraine to be slaughtered, and
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: they are actively working at the moment to help the
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Ukrainian authorities leave for out not only young men but
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: middle aged men who sought refuge in Europe away from
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: the conflict. They are working hand in glove now with
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the European Union, and I'm sure Britain is involved in
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: this to get those men out of sanctuary in Europe
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: and back into the conflict, because of course, at the moment,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the reality is that Ukraine is losing. And one of
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: the reasons that Ukraine is losing is because they simply
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: cannot put enough men into the battlefield in order to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: sustain the casualties that they're experiencing. So this is a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: very brutal war. And perhaps I can ask you, because
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I'm interested in what your response is, do you actually
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: know what the casualties are on the Ukrainian side at
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the moment.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are far more than what you've been told.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Casualties on either side or any side is a military
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: kept secret, and I'm not privy to that. I would
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: be quoting somebody else, and again that would be you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that would be their analysis. So if we say something,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it can be awfully wrong, and I would really encourage
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: people not to not to even start guessing. You can
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: mathematically see what you know that you can see, you
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: can mathematically calculated over time. But yes, it's way more
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: than what normal people would even assume. It's way more
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: than a million that's being told. Now. The other thing
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: which I want people to really really try and plug
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: this into what we were talking about natism before and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: how I started this thing was people are not you know,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the emphasis has always been the atrocities on Jewish population
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: for World War Two. The emphasis has not been in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the in ordinary textbooks as to how many the war
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: against these Slavs. Okay, the Hitler's obsection where the eradicating
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Slavic populations in these areas, and then plug that into
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the US do O D by a weapons program which
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: was specifically targeting ethnic Slavic Russians and the Caucasians. What
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: is the we are seeing is that across the border,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: who is dying are the Slavic people. So the truth
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: is far more than strategic dominance for resources. The truth
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: is undeniably and I'm not saying I'm not deserting something
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: because of my conviction. It's because when you see six
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: or more data points, it's difficult to refute that it's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: difficult to refute that actually it's the Ukrainians and the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Russians who are dying. It's difficult to refute the fact
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that when you blow up Chernobyl or Zaporizia or Caluminetski,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you're actually targeting a certain section of that population.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Well, the nuclear you're talking nuclear industry there, yes.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: And certainly the hand in hand with the bioweapons. Okay,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: so it's very it's not it's I wouldn't want to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: think about it. But sorry, you know, the sunnish shining outside,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: it's hard for me to say that it's night. You know.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: So when you have six or more data points, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: added to it are human intelligence data point, which of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: course we won't be talking about here, you are looking
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: at the re emergence like the Empire strikebacks strikes back
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: sort of thing again, clubbed into what Andrei Bilitski openly
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: decorated by the British and the European Union. And then
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: you plug in certain other things. One, you had open
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: ovation for an SS officer in the Canadian Parliament a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, two years ago or one year ago,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. Then you have got open ovation and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: ceremonies for SS officers in Brussels. And then you have
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: got the reinstatement or honoring of Melnik an SS entity
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine, because of which now we're seeing Polish and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian ties being slightly understrained. So and added to that
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: are international operations outside Ukraine that the Ukrainian Nazis are
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: doing supported by WHOME under the guidance and tutelage of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: British and American operators abroad outside. So, you know, if
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: anything can come out of this interview, I think people
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: need to truly underpin this thing, truly understand it in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: bold letters that we are under Nazi occupation early stages.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: There are five stages through their manual and we're at
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: the end of the second stage. And the digital ID
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and any other issue is linked with this, and it's
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: high time people need to really understand. Otherwise it's going
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: to be too late and we would find ourselves in
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a hot war with Russia, not just for our security sake,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: but for humanity, for morality. You know, I think people
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and especially the armed forces and the veterans need to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: understand this.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: If we pre see this a little bit, I think
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: what you're saying to me is that to really understand
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: this brutal war that's going on in Ukraine, we have
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to we have to understand how it was actually created,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: how it was fermented how it was brought into being,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: and then when we start to understand how it was
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: brought into being, we find ourselves beginning to think about
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: the nature of the people who would commit such a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: heeneous crime. You use the word Nazis, and that's a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: very understandable description because it interfaces with obviously the terrible
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: history of war in the East during the Second World War.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: But if people in twenty twenty six want to understand
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit more about Nazi, what we're really talking
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: about is national socialism. It isn't necessarily the political aspect.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: It's the fact that that system was a synthesis between
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: politics and corporations. That was the brutality of the organization.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: And I'll let you come back. So you might not
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: agree with all this, but when I look at what
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: is running the world at the moment, and particularly when
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: we see the United Kingdom change from not a perfect
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: but at least a working democracy that has historically looked
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: after its people, we now see that the United Kingdom
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: is overwhelmingly being run by a partnership between government and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: very big business in all sorts of areas, whether it's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: it's pharmaceutical, whether it's the military industrial or complex, whether
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: it's communications and telecommunications or in agriculture and the replacement
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: of agriculture with so called food produced in a lab
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: we are dealing. We can see the roots of this
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: growing inside UK and many people who are long term subscribers,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: members of the UK column, who watch our news broadcasts
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: are emailing us on a regular basis to say they
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: see this country becoming more Nazi in the way that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: its governing system is treating the population at large. And
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: that's not just the white population, that's the complete present
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: population of UK, across different colors of people in different religions.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Brian, You're right that it has in you know, everything
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: that we have points out in the fact, this has
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with political ideology. It's to do with
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: genetic ideology. In genetic makeup everything, every single thing. Now,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of the data with regards to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: bio weapons, it clearly states white Caucasians and ethnic Russians. Okay,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: why the two groups the two groups, because these are
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: in our understanding. Again, we don't have supporting data for it,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: but we're trying to interpret it by comparison with the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: other issues. The target is any genetic makeup which is
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: able to think on its feet, which relies on human values,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: whether it's founded in in in religious thought process or
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: any other there is a certain genetic makeup and these
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: are extensive, you know, NATO experiments you can call it,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: you know, where you can see people who think on
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: their feet and use their brains are different. They're genetically different.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, there is a genetic component to that,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you know, than than than than other other sects of population. Similarly,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: people resistant to certain things would have a slightly different makeup.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: So believe it or not, when I'm using a word Nazi,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: there is a reason for that, because now the ideologies
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: will found it based on ethnicity, on the genetic makeup,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: and when I'm using that term, there's a real, real reason,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: and it's okay, it's dominatingly, you know, right now in
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the context of Russia and Ukraine, it's targeting the Slavs
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: or Slavic people. But it isn't just that. It's basically
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: any thought any how, any strong individual you know, could
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: could be any any other genetic makeup. But essentially, why
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: is it Caucasian white. It's because, you know, for some reason,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you know, when the British people or French people or
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. They went around colonizing different
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: parts of the world and telling the rest of the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: world what's is civilized and what civilization is and how
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: to be civilized. What they didn't realize was that they're actually,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: in order to promote that and get the authorization of
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: its home public, they actually have ingrained morality in the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: hearts and minds of their own public. So essentially, you know,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: when Britain goes around going to India and saying, hey,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: you know, this isn't right and that's not right, they're
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: actually reinforcing that on their own children, grandchildren and so
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: on and so forth in the school because they've got
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: to authorize that their actions are broad and through generations.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: What has happened is a very strong moral fiber within
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: the white populations of Britain, Europe America again because they
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: have to justify their actions abroad, so they are trying
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: to teach the right things. And that's why that population
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: is truly under threat by the so called Nazis. And
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: whether that's through vaccines, whether that's through any other means,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: the reason is the Caucasian whites with strong moral fiber.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking any lay person, talking people with
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: strong model fiber. And the ethnic Russians. Why the ethnic Russians,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: because again, if you look, if you compare the civilization
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: in Russia at the moment, the culture as in Russia.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: I've been to Ukraine. Believe me, they are very strong people.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Hats off. I'm very much in love with Ukraine and Ukrainians.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: The family aspect is just so strong, and that's what
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: is at the root of that's what you target. So
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: that's why the Eastern European cultures have always or countries
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: have always been targeted, because they do need to erode
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: that thing. And the more they bring it to the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Western ideologies, which is basically broken up families and other
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: moral depravities, that's great, great for them. And the Russians
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: and the Ukrainians don't understand this because they crave for
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: being a part of European Union or subscribing to Hollywood
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. But I hope they think
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: twice as to what the Epstein class culture is and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: so it's far more complex than just simply a Russia
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Ukraine war. It's that that mentality which is under thereat
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and hence I use the word nine.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: See as a couple more points I'd like to cover,
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  Speaker 2: But I want to just respond to that, because what
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: comes into my head is that if you pay attention
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: to what the Russians have been saying, pay attention to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: what Putin's saying or Lavrov over the last two years
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: in particular, there has been to in my mind, a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: change in their language, because certainly Putin has very often
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: referred to the dangerous decadence of the West. He's talked
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: about collapsing Western values. Lavrov has certainly mentioned this, and
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: I have felt on several occasions it's as though the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Russians are absolutely seeing the rot at the heart of
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Western civilization of which Epstein gave us a glimpse. It
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't only about the abuse of young women and children
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: in his circuit. He was also working with international bankers
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: to do extreme damage to populations by control and manipulation
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: of the money supply system. But it seems to me
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: that the Russians have been able to They're there standing
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: to one side, and they've been able to see this.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: And when the Biolabs became visible, and of course the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Russians absolutely talked about these laboratories where they were what
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: they had found. They tried to challenge it through the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: United Nations, but of course that was all just turned down.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: For the Russians, it must be very clear that they're
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: not just dealing with a coherent, cold native United States
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: and United Kingdom and European governments. They're actually dealing with
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: a West which is out of control because society has
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: been broken down. Government, constitutional issues, law and order has
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: been broken down in a very malicious way to the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: level which you've just intimated is designed to break apart
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: families and in fact individuals because we live in a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: West where we apparently don't know what a woman is
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: or a man can pretend to be a woman, and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: this is the ultimate breakdown of identity at a human level.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: This is as base as it gets short of the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: abuse of children and best reality. We've still we can
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: see attempts at the normalization of sex with children that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: is clearly coming in the West. Remaining step is a
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: coarse best reality. But the Russians are seeing this. This
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean say we're saying that Russia is perfect, but
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: we can see putin in particular commenting on the West.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: It must be very difficult for the Russians at the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: moment to know that they're trying to stabilize the situation
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine or trying to deal with Western political figures
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: who are not themselves stable. It is a normal sense.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're absolutely correct, you know, especially you know
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: one thing that we have to really bear in mind,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: you're which it is what you just said is very
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: important and how it leads into it is when the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: society is broken and divided, you know, in different through
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: the aspects, like you said, identity crisis. Yeah, you've got
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: migration and so and so forth. We are very weak.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: We are very weak, and bear it. I mean, this
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: is I'm coming from a very Okay, let me see
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: how I can put this properly. You know, neither side
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: is going to be right or wrong. So when let's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: assume with regards to migration and so and so forth, Right,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: people know that World War One funding went to both sides.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's common knowledge. Right, So people orchestrating behind
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: the scenes between World War Air four Wards War one
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: and two, they funded the Nazis, they funded their allies
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: both sides. It's exactly the same. What's happening currently in
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: terms of all various factions within Britain, within Europe, within
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: the West. So essentially, the funding the people orchestrating you know,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: identity crises, black blacks, whites, migrants and trans and so
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: on and so forth. They're funding both sides. Why are
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: they funding both sides. They're funding both sides because they
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: reap the benefit of that chaos essentially, and that actually
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: erodes the trust of the common public, general public in
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: the institute that is meant to protect the general public,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: which means the security services. So when you see an old,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: extremely ninety year old gentleman being man handled during a protest,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: and that's being screened everywhere within the United States, within
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, whether it's on mainstream media or alternate means,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: there's a reason why. It's why they act in this
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: manner because they do want the public to be angry
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: with you for something which is completely common sensical. You know,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: people can think about these things. You don't eat a
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: ninety year old person who is peacefully protesting in that manner.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: So basically it's a this way of fomenting anger and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: hatred within the community is the biggest weapon that is
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: being used by those on the top. Again, I'm sorry
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to use the word they are the Nazis, okay, because
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: they're doing that. This is this is within the war manual.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: You actually, you know, you create these divisions so that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: they don't actually question what you're doing in the real arena.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: And then that's dangerous. That that's dangerous in all forms.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: You know. First of course they can be right, so
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: on the streets, people can be killed on the streets.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: But secondly, it's extremely beneficial to an actually hostile state.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: So you know, recruitment happens exactly in these fertile grounds.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: You know, when when you have intells like Britain would
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: be recruiting people hands. You know, this particular person Alex
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: right now who's sent out a tweet, you know, saying
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I want to direct talk with President Putin and so
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: on and so forth. Great, you've got hundred people within
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: the two hundred three hundred people or million viewers I
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: six FBI, CIA, sorry, Cia, Mozart. They would be recruiting
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: from those guys. Yeah, that's exactly what they would be
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: doing to us. So I think we as public have
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: to be very well informed as to who is you know,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: have no doubt as to everything that we're seeing around
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: is literally to victimize us as people with regardless of
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: who we are, with what skin color we are, any
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: normal person, decent person who just wants a family life,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: office life is the victim is the target. And it's.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry to come in and the other those with this,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: for the for the for the Western audiences, and it
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: is not. The idea that the the pinnacle of this
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: particularly vicious regime is the Russians is simply laughable because
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: this is yeah, it.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Is and and I think if anybody at the moment,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, if you if you look at the whole
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: global scenario, if you and you compare the leaders of
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: the West with the with the leaders in the Duma. Okay,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: forget the money is some money aside, but I'm just saying,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: moral character of all these politicians, and you compare the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Russian Duma guys, goodness me, you would be ashamed. You know,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: the House of lords one by one, people with questionable characters,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: MPs who are not able to defend their own own civilians,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: que big question mark. Then go over to the United
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: States or in Europe, and then you compare them with
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Duma or Ukraine. Ukraine the most you know, the Rada.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, just go through those names and you will understand.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: You know, there is no comparison. We've got a solid
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: leadership which doesn't figure anywhere in the Epstein files, whereas
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: here we've got one after the other, prominent business, businessman, leaders, etc.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: You know, who have committed grievous crimes and they're still
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: our leaders, they're still representing us. The other thing about
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: the Epstein file, Sorry, so it's not related to what
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I was saying, but it's important that people have only
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: paid attention and rightly so, I'm rightly so to the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: abuse and the use of children on the island. I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: would encourage the people to also understand to also research
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: the medical experiments on these islands, not just children, but
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: girls and so on and so forth. And there is
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: a very very important factor. And now linking something to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: the Russian side. Nobody in the Western media has paid
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: attention to the liaison between Epstein Bill Gates. I would
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: encourage the people to look at a different aspect on
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: the Epstein file, which is not to do with the
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: rape and torture, but equally important are the medical experiments
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: being conducted on individuals inside the military facilities on these islands.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: It's not just the Epstein islands. So again, now linking
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Epstein thing to the Russia is another story. Is people
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: in the West have not paid any attention or deliberately
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: not paid any attention to the links between Ilia Promenerov
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: and Epstein and the discussions between Gates and Epstein about
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: instilling Pome or promoting a pro NATO government in Russia.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: So you know, all the human crowd about everything, but
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: the thing is at the end, the entity Epstein and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the role of Epstein in relation to Russia and Ukraine.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: It's very seriously important. So again this is like obviously
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: when there is something so serious going on, and you
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: know what the tendency of people is is they don't
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: try to They think of in sensory manners, you know,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: like things that really hurt and are unimaginable. But let's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: take a step back and understand what is this all about.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I think people need to research that. Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Indeed, my last point with respect to Ukraine is that
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: the battlefield in Ukra, aside from the slaughter on both sides,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: has been used by the West as a testing ground
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: for new weapons systems. I watched with some i'll say amusement,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: but that wasn't to negate the brutality of the killing
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: on the battlefields in Ukraine. But I watched with some
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: amusement as the hype of Western wonder weapons success failed
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: one after the other. So we're going to provide them
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: with the best Western tanks and that will change the battle.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Then it was going to be F sixteen, or it
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: was going to be long range missile systems, storm shadow whatever,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: anti tank weapons. So the West believed its own rhetoric.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: I call this the top Gun scenario, where we had
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: the point where to my mind's US naval aviators began
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: to think in terms of Top Gun the movie. They'd
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: lost trutch with reality and they saw themselves through the
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: top Gun story. But the West thought that it was
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: going to pump in its wonder weapons and that was
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: going to give Ukrainians the wherewithal to defeat the Russians.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: And the Russians not only successfully countered this, but they
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: demonstrated that they had developed in house weapons systems which
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: were weigh beyond the capability of the West. In particular,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the hypersonic missile systems of Russia, and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: then we had the West encouraging drone warfare, and this
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: has ultimately now led to the fact that we've got
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: a unique form of warfare underway in Ukraine where drones rule.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Drones rule by surveillance, they also rule by their ability
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: to attack not only armored vehicles but also men. And
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: the scale of the drone warfare is such now that
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: the Russians are only making the advances they are but
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: the use of very small numbers of troops who are
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: often very widely dispersed. But those troops are moving forward
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: under the cover of the Russia's own drone surveillance and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: attack teams. What I have found frightening is the fact
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: that both sides, understandably, both the Ukrainians and the Russians,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: are effectively hunting each other's soldiers on the battlefield by
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: the use of drones, and there have increasingly been circumstances
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: where both sides have been killing each other's wounded who
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: have been like on the battlefield by the use of drones.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: But where I'm coming to is that, of course, each
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: drone being operated on the battlefield has a human operator
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: behind it, and so we are now in the position
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: where I will say tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: of young men on both sides this conflict are living
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: a life which is a combination of video game and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: reality where they're killing people, and I wonder what the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: psychological load the fallout the PTSD will be not only
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: on Ukrainian troops who are involved in drone warfare, also
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: on the Western teams that are clearly working alongside the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Ukrainian armed forces. The idea that the West does not
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: have boots on the ground in Ukraine is laughable. There's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: clear evidence that Special Force US is serving special forces
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: from the West or operating in Ukraine alongside mercenary teams
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: who may or may not be under the pay of
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: the military. But those people are also gaining skills in
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: slaughtering other human beings through the use of drones. So
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: the psychological damage of the warfare in Ukraine, I believe,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: could be on a scale that we can't even appreciate.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: And ultimately, these young people, including certainly on the Ukrainian side,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: significant numbers of women, are going to be brought back
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: into peacetime populations and we do not know how stable
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: their mindset is going to be maybe they're going to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: suffer psychological mental breakdown as a result of PTSD through
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: their killing of other human beings as a drone operator,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: or maybe we're going to see a psychopathic tendency of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: these people killing other human beings when the conflict is
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: actually over. And of course the West at the moment
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: is boasting of not only its ability to pump cheap
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: drones into Ukraine, it's also boasting now of its ability
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: to give Ukraine long range ability to take the conflict
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: into Russian homeland territory. So this is not only a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: very brutal war. There's some aspects of it that I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: think are truly horrific because we don't know where they
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: lead to glorific.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: And long lasting. So I'll begin with this, this is
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: an extremely important evaluation, Brian, and only you can you know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's incredibly thought to that depth and being
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: able to explain it to the public, it's it's it's
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: very very important. So of course it's a brutal war.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Young So when I was in Ukraine, there was a
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: so there was a data set I produced which which
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: was ranking which was basically on you know, the age
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: of the people and the mentality factor on the on
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: the on the on the y y access and what
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: you could see is the more extreme psychological traits were
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: shown by the age group which was younger than forty
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: five years. So these were and then you think forty
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: five years minus ten years since went the active operation
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: from after am I done? So you know before from
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: slightly before my done, kool. So these were the young
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: recruits from that time onwards that have now come and
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: become as you know, young politicians or or or business leaders. Yes,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and they are extreme and out in their outlooks. And
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: why are the extreme because entities like UK eight and
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: again direct links with the FCDO has been running education
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: programs inside Ukraine that have made heroes of Bandera and
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: the likes. So these entities. So what happens is there's
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: an education program which receives and you can this is
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: all on the FCDO website. You can see how it's funded. Yeah,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: so again as always the same ten thousand grand for
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: a small trip to Ukraine of a particular leader or
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: sorry teacher professor from the King's College London to go
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: and give a lecture in Donbas And when that person
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: is being on a lecture there, the audience is full
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: of people who are very young at that age, yes,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: but now today they have become the leaders of who
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: are basically propelling this Nazi ideology now opposing that in Russia,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: nothing of the sort was happening ten years ago, or
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: you know, there weren't. They aren't any recorded programs of
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: the sort. Russia was actively engaging with Doniets and Lukansk
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: and you know, trying to have positive relationships. So now
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: when we have thirty five to forty five or nearly
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  Speaker 1: fifty years old people who are extremists in their viewpoints,
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  Speaker 1: and they are now dispersed across western Ukraine leading education agencies,
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  Speaker 1: you know, recruits running summer camps for where basically ten
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  Speaker 1: you know, young children from seven to thirteen years old
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  Speaker 1: are saying hele Hitler or you know, something of the sort,
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  Speaker 1: which is clearly a Nazi slogan. These people relish killing
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: a Russian, they reliship So these are the people some
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: some troops in the on the front would be these
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: these entities opposing side on Russia had to ramp up.
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  Speaker 1: It's its process. So it's not it's not that Russia
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: wanted a war with with Ukraine. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that because of anything else except that Russia could only
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it was an undesired situation for the Russian
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Federation to engage in this war, and every wholemark suggests that.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't recruiting and and promoting this sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: and neither is it doing now for Russia it is
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: totally or the Russians engaged in the process. They are
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: defending their country, whereas certain factions within Ukraine are not
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: defending their country in their mind, they are literally killing Russians.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a stout difference in the psychology. Now, the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: point that you made is that you know, after the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: war is finished, because it would be at one point
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  Speaker 1: or the other, and you know, let's assume two scenarios
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: that the NATO objective of this war is to remove
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: present Putin. That's a but that has got two other options,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: you know, outcomes. But let's focus on the second option
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: and the second objective, which is a very clear objective
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: of Britain, Britain and United States. It's not really France, etcetera,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: but Britain and the United States to break up Russia
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: into forty parts. So Let's assume that scenario that okay,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: the war's finished, Rushia is broken up into forty parts.
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  Speaker 1: Who are the people are leading that part those forty fragments.
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  Speaker 1: They have already been chosen the forty Their names are
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: forty names. Their passport has been chosen. How that passport
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: would look like, their currency has been chosen. And I'm
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: not talking hypothetically. You can just go on the websites.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Then just look at it. Now, let's think about so
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: those are very much a West think, Western thinking people mentality.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Those people. Let's look at Ukraine. War's finished, Ukraine's well,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: if you ask me, militarily, Ukraine would would cease to exist,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: to be honest, in its current form. But let's assume
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: it is still there, and the people who would be
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: succeeding would be the same people who are giving terroristic
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: orders and collaborating in terrorist ats and have been brainwashed
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: over the last two decades by the West. So there
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: is no sympathy there. We are basically looking at handover
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: to the second gener you to the generation essentially engaged
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: in peace talks or diplomatic and you know, relationship with Russia,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: who have the same hatred towards what they call most
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: calls moss calls. They called you know, these people the
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: derogatory word. So base we're looking at, I mean, this
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: is a very bleak scenario. We're looking at Ukraine, and
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: we're looking at forty divisions of Russia, which is which
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: are basically being headed by Nazi two point two leadership,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: because that's the mentality that has been for you know,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: fertilized and nurtured and grown by the orchestrating Nazi forces
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: of United Kingdom and United States. Let's assoom at a
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: better scenario, which is militarily the scenario the outcome that
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I see and you may not agree with it, but
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: this is only my personal evaluation, not unit evaluation. Militarily,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: the West would lose, meaning Ukraine would lose. The advances
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: on the field that Russia has made in the last
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: few months, in the midst of bombardment of Moscow, Saint Petersburg, etc.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Is incredible, the pace at which Russia is advancing, forget
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: anything beyond that. Critically, Russia has achieved its military objective
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: for its when it began, you know, like part of
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: its military objective, which is securing don Bass and which
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: is almost there Zabaridziya Lucans. What's going to happen after
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: that is essentially you'll take the Novorosia area and then
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: what I envisaged with the consultation of my Finish colleagues
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  Speaker 1: is that it would try to negotiate a settlement in
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: terms of removal of entire Nazi factions from within Ukraine,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: and once it has done that, it would withdraw not
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: from Donbas and Logans, et cetera, but certain additional territories
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't have any interest in keeping hold of
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: the Western Ukraine. Western Ukrainian ideologies are entirely anti Russian,
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  Speaker 1: So that's how I envisage. But for the continent as
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  Speaker 1: a whole, in terms of Europe, it's a very bleak
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: continent because because we are seeing the survival of this
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: this ideology and unless that is that is you know
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: that that's questioned, and who is going to question it?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: United Nations is not in its current form, it's not
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: so it's the people. It's the people like Tucker Carlson
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: should be talking about this, like Candon's own should be
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: talking about it, like UK column should be talking about it.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Not once but repeatedly was that's the only way because remember,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: to legitimize the colonial moves of British abroad, they taught
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: morality not only to the people outside, but to the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: people here too, and they cannot go against it. So
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: if the moral fiber of the British and Americans is touched,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: that's the only only hope house, and that is through
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: public education.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very very good point. A deep tea, we've
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: probably come, i think to a natural close. I would
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: like to just emphasize one thing. This is about your work.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: So you've been working with a group of people international,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: people in America, in Ukraine, India, Russia, other countries in
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: the world, across a wide spectrum of capability and profession.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: So that's included academics and former diplomatic people, former military people,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: and the team i'll say, working in a loose way
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: under the under the framework of UNIT, has been not
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: only researching in a very deep and calculated way of
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: the Ukrainian conflict origins, where it's heading, and the suffering
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: that's come out of that conflict, but you've also been
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: working in order to get the truth injected back into
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: particularly Western societies, to help bring this conflict to a
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: close and you are producing material at different levels, so
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: some of it is i'll say it's classified in as
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: much as it stays within your own group, which is
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: normal for any organization. But you have also as an
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: organization release data to media organizations such as the UK Column,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: and I have found that all of the reports that
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Unit has been happy to share to be extremely well
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: researched and informative. Albeit the some of the material which
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: has to be covered is very very disturbing because, as
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: you say, the brutality that it's not just taking place
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: on the battlefield, the brutality against civilians that took place,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: particularly in the early stages of the conflict, where Ukrainians
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: were targeting the ethnic Russians in the dombas simply horrific.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Some of those images very disturbing to look at, particularly
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: as the result of the shelling of civilians which was
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: going on a regular basis. But where I'm coming to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: is that Unit. You have been working with Unit with
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: the objective of bringing the truth out about the conflict
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: and stopping the conflict, and that action has brought you
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: into the spotlight of UK intelligence to the extent that
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: you have been questioned. We talked about this, I know,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: in part one of our interview, but I think it's
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: important to bring it back into focus that your efforts
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: with other people in different countries to stop a war
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: has meant that you have been arrested, You've been interrogated
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: by the United Kingdom Intelligence services. You've been restricted to
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: sleeping at your house, you have been warned off talking
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: to a huge list of people who are ironically not
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: promoting violence and conflict. Overwhelmingly those people have been speaking
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: out against conflict, but the British government, via the intelligence
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: services here in this country, Britain the United Kingdom, have
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: said that you deep are so dangerous for trying to
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: stop this conflict that you're going to have to sleep
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: at your house, and that's been imposed on you for
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: what over a year, and you are not to communicate
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: with other human beings who might be naughty enough to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: want to also stop this conflict. This perverse persecution, obviously
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: by the British government, tells us a lot about the
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: mindset of the government and it's its desire to keep
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: this conflict going as long as possible.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Indeed, absolutely, you know, in the beginning, Brian, I was like, Okay,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: it's a secure you know, they might think of me
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: as a security threat because they alleged that I'd got
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: land said imageries on the on on the on the computer,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: and that ad liaised with the rations with regards to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: F sixteen's that don't forget anyhow, a whole list of
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: things essentially, and so initially I thought, yes, of course,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: the you know, I'm a geologist, I've got land sad
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: imageries were with them, and certainly, you know, there were
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: some names they were concerned about that they retrieved in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: you know, during the process of investigation. Well, certainly those
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: were names that we were interested in and we are
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: interested in, but you know, there's a process that Okay,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Initially I was thinking that, yeah, gone investigate me. You
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: will find that I am genuinely concerned about the scenario.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: So that was in twenty twenty four, but now I
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: know the second time, like in twenty twenty five, when
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: they arrested me. The time of one of that action
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: was quite weird because it was within one week of
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: when basically I was trying to get entity. So the
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: President's Office in Russia, which is Kremlin, and the United States,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: the White House entitay, So I was basically the mid
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: middle person trying to liaise talks between the Kremlin and
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the White House, and that was like, hey, hang on,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: you know, once again you've got the evidence of what
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: I'm doing. It's not something that I'm not trying to
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: blow Britain apart. I'm not trying to target or kill people.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: You know, here, I am trying to literally act in
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: the essence of what is decency, a decent effort so
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: that two entities are able to talk and liaise and
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: find solutions. Whatever it's without. You know, it doesn't have
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: anything to do with me in terms of what the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: outcome of those efforts are as far as my efforts
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: were since here by nationality, I am Indian. I've lived
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: in Britain for over two decades, and I see this
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: conflict as not just Russia and NATO or NATO and Russia,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: but I see this conflict as having a very signific
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: digant aspect of a nuclear end and which which sorry,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: I would like to talk about this bit, because all
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: simulations come down to a nuclear end. You know, when
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: you when you plan a military operation, you're running and
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: running simulations as to how things would progress. So if
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: there is that end I'm living in Britain of course
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: that that's going to be a massive military target either
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: way Russia or sorry, United States wouldn't be. Similarly, my country,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: which is India and I love my country, wouldn't be
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: dragged into it in either direct or indirect way. And
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: now we can see that it is my duty as
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: as a human being in this is that. Okay, God
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: has given me access to Kremlin site and the White
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: House side. I would like these two entities to be talking.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: So to put on the list and to stop that
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: is an act which is which I would like these
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: entities to try and explain. Similarly, my access with due
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: to my colleague here in UK, mister Andrew Bridgen, who's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine and a colleague the
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: same thing. Why because because we're sharing data with mister Bridgin.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: So so you know, these our entities are very well known.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: I mean putting President Putin on the list, I mean
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: not that they would know that I've spoken to Present
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Putine or his allies or with President Trump or mister
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Kennedy for instance, or Scott Ritter so put George Galloway
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: for instance. So they are you know this is or
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: this is a criminal act. It's an act of it's
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: a crime because I haven't done anything and these people
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: haven't liaiged in any way with me. And in the
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: list are the names mixed with Mixed with these names
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: are the names of the people we were interested in
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: and part of my team, not on all the team,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: but scientific part of my team. So we cannot research.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: For instance, one big part of my work is to
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: identify a dooactive pollution, whether it's Russia, Ukraine, or it's
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Gaza or anywhere else, so you know, censoring all those
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: people that I can't talk to them, so please kindly explain.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: So recently I wrote to them and say, hey, I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: need to talk to this person and I would like
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: to you know, because it's amount of natural security. And
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: their response was we and if you have legitimate reasons,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: then let me know. I won't talk to them, but
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: please answer my question, how is me talking to this
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: person a threat whereas we are working on something important
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: under the prem you know, premises of unit. Their response
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: was no, we don't need can We will not be
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: answering any of your questions, and we would like to
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: remind you that you are object to these conditions, so
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, fine, well then that you know that
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: is itself is a criminal act essentially, So unless they
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: have legitimate reason that okay, my collaboration with with mister
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Kennedy or with President Trump or or Andrew Bridgin or
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Scott Ritter is genuinely a threat to the British national security.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: How so anyhow that.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: DT that is the key question. How are you such
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: a threat to the now?
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry to inter mean, but that's exactly what I'm
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: trying to say, that there is that mindset within their
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: cdo am I sax which I started the story with,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: that we need a war with Russia and that war
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: has to culminate in a nuclear war. Okay. The second
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: aspect is based on intelligence, so let's just leave that out.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Let's assume let's just focus on that we need a hot,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: connective war with the Russia. Okay. So it was never
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Russian Ubraine, it was always Britain and Russia. It was
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: never Russia in the United States as well. It's Britain
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: and Russia and if you mark the States. So initially,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: when I was talking with my Russian colleagues, they were
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: focused on the Americans, and I said, darlings, you need
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: to look at United Kingdom because you know, one assumes
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: that the entire machinery of intelligence is efficient and very
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: well glued, but it isn't. It's partitionaned you know, British
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: intelligence has got certain sections. One section doesn't speak with
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: the other section, and then you've got gaps in the middle.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: So to recognize the real enemy is the first step.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: And the Russians need to recognize that Britain is the enemy.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: The rest are proxies. The rest are proxies. And similarly,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: the British public has to recognize that that layer on
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the top and it has names, it has names when
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: was taking children off Ukraine. That's not a small data point.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: That's not a small data point. That's a massive data
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: point as to why British entities are so interested in Ukraine.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: So come on, please research that. I identify who else
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: is involved, and these are big names and there are releases.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: You know, we've named names of the names of the
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: senior MI six officers and the British defense organizations and charities.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: So just connect all that and you don't even need
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: to connect because they are connected. I think for British
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: civilians and the public in general. It's extremely important to
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: understand they are being dragged into a war which is
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: an immoral war, because the truth about this war is
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: already out. You know, if people think that the servers
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: can entirely erase Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin or Canon
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: Servins's recent visit to the United to this fifey twenty
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: six Saint Petersburg, then they're living in in lalla land
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: because this time the truth is going to survive generations
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: to come. Whether it's British or American or European or
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: anyone would know the role the British entity is played
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: in this war and bringing about this war. So what
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: is the future for the monarchy? What is the future
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: for that elite group. Nothing. They can suppress things through
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: military rule and hence the digital ID and so on
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: and so forth for a while. But at the end,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: these are the names on the list, the remaining list
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: number two, which would include the British names and then
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: so it's very important to understand the significance of this.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: You know, the current actions of the British entities, whether
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: it's towards me or towards others.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Deep to a really excellent summary there, because ultimately the
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: battle is absolutely good and evil, and if we're going
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: to win a battle such a battle, it's behold on
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: every man and woman in the United Kingdom and indeed
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Western Europe worldwide to stand up for what's good as
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: opposed to support what's evil. But I just want to
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: for the audience reinforce your position that you have consistently
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: worked with people in UK and overseas in order to
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: get the truth out about this horrific war in Ukraine
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: and to ultimately stop it, and that has brought you
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: into conflict with the security services of the United Kingdom
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  Speaker 2: fifteen as well. They've not only pressurized you by of
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  Speaker 2: course hauling you in for questioning, which is you've treated
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  Speaker 2: in a very ladylike way, but I know to be
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: questioned by individuals in that manner puts an individual under
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: pressure and is not a nice experience. And of course
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: your home's been searched. I'm not going to say how,
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  Speaker 2: but I think our audience also needs to know that
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  Speaker 2: the intelligence services the United Kingdom were also prepared to
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  Speaker 2: use civilian organizations in order to threaten your family, which
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: was something which didn't surprise me because I know how
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  Speaker 2: these techniques are used against other families who have upset
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  Speaker 2: the state in some way in the United Kingdom. But
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  Speaker 2: the fact that this was used in combination with the
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  Speaker 2: United Kingdom Intelligence and Securities survices essentially suppressing you, that
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  Speaker 2: they attach your family as well, is an indication of
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  Speaker 2: the rot at the very heart of the UK establishment,
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  Speaker 2: and I absolutely wanted to emphasize that.
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  Speaker 1: It's indicative of the fact that there's something so seriously
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  Speaker 1: wrong that people people need to.
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  Speaker 2: Act indeed deep to you know that I run a
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  Speaker 2: series called Gutsy Women, which is reck a special recognition
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  Speaker 2: of all the women who've been standing up to counter
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  Speaker 2: the wrongs in our society. This is not a Gutsy
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  Speaker 2: Woman interview per se, but I want to say I'll
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  Speaker 2: put you in that bracket. So I'm going to thank
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  Speaker 2: you on behalf of the UK Column and hopefully the
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  Speaker 2: UK Column audience for all the work that you and
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: your colleagues in Unit have been doing. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: wish you success in your future conferences which are bringing
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  Speaker 2: people together to discuss this and I am very very
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: sure that the quality of the interview you've given me
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: today is going to make a huge impact on our audience.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: And I think the really nice thing about this interview
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: is that it can go out worldwide and it can
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: resonate with people of whatever country, whatever color, whatever religion,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: because we're not talking about one nation state versus another.
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  Speaker 2: We are talking about the need for human beings to
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: start acting as caring human beings towards each other. And
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: as you've said, if we don't get this right, the
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: danger is significant escalation in the type of warfare, a
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: warfare which I can say to the audience from my
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: experience of serving in the military. The moment the mention
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: there is mention of nuclear weapons, the room tends to
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: go quiet, because, of course, nobody really knows what the
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: outcome of use of nuclear weapons will be. So we
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: might hear a bravado from Trump, or it could be
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: the Russians or the Chinese about the nuclear weapons and
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: the nuclear arsenals they hold. But the reality is that
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: all of the nations that hold nuclear weapons know that
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: they have got a weapon where they do not know
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: what the outcome will be of its use. So there
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: is a huge need for reflection on what the real
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: danger of the conflict in Ukraine is I'll let you
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: respond to that and then we'll finish.
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  Speaker 1: I think absolutely, thank you, thank you for that, Brandon.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: The only solution to anything of that this nature is dialogue, okay.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: And if you remember COVID being a fast complete fast
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: and ut are fast. The way they got up got
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: away with it was introduced and social distancing. The entire
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: reason to introduce that was so that people don't congregate
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: and share information, right because if they would have, common
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: sense would have prevailed, and they got away with it.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: They got away with it. I mean ridiculous things that
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: you know, people can't walk close, you know, closer than
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: two meters and there are still signs on the road
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: for that. So the solution to all of that is
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: dialogue between countries. There's a big black telephone or a
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: white telephone on every prime minister's in president's deaths. Use it,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: use it, sir, use it. Okay. Similarly, there are telephones
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: and mobile phones these days, and you know, or social
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: media talk to each other each other. There are ways
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: you can talk to each other without the security services knowing.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Use your brain, think outside the box. Once you talk
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: to each other. I'm sure there will be a solution,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: but if you stop talking from me to each other,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: there wouldn't be. You would then be hypothesm you know,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: thinking things which which are being fed to you. And
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the general public right now, I'm
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: talking about the leaders. These are things that are being
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: fed to you by by an array which has been
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: formulated in a very specific way. How you report you
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: you end up with a brief morning brief on your desk?
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Who are those people who are giving those briefs? Come on,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: just pick a phone, pick up the phone and talk
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: to each other.
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  Speaker 2: Deep teap spot on. What a wonderful place to end.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say to you, thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for joining me today. It's been really excellent. I'm
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: sure that we will have more things to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: but once again, huge thank you to you and to
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: all of the people working within and alongside Unit for
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: the work they're doing to protect humanity. Thank you very much.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian, Thank you so much.