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Brett Keane Interviews Smokey Saint · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  The rain falls hard on this empty Street.
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  Echoes of her voice in every Face, dear God.
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  When will I hear the Angels Sing?
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  Bills, stack High. The nights grow cold.
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  Memories of love, I can't seem to hold.
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  Each step, I take feels like saying.
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  The silent screams louder than I can bear.
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  Hollow chest, where hope used to flare?
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  dear God, you Hear the angels. All righty.
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  All right. All right.
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  Welcome, welcome, everyone. I need to get brat on the left
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  hand side here, welcome. Welcome to another show.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, we have a very special evening here and
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  joined by the one, and only Mr. Brett King, the link to his
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  channel is down in the description.
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  Brett, how you doing this evening?
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  Doing pretty good. It was an extremely hot day
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  today. So I'm a little drained, but got
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  me pumped up actually, so glad to hear.
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  Well, thank you for agreeing to do this and of course this will
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  be uploaded later on Brett Keane's Channel as well.
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  And we're just going to do a little interview night.
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  Brad, if you'd like feel free to go ahead and introduce yourself
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  to everyone who may not know who you are, if they've been living
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  under a rock for the last 20 years, you're one of the ogs of
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  YouTube, you've been around for a hot minute.
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  So I want you just take a few minutes and tell the people by
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  yourself. Well, my name is Brett Keane,
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  obviously, and my YouTube channel is God TV radio.
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  I enjoyed doing interviews for many, many different reasons.
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  I, I feel like whenever you do end up interviews with
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  Christians, who've been Christian for a very long time
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  as a post to me where I only been Christian for a few years.
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  Once a former atheist that I learned more, it helps me in my
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  personal life, it helps me to have a stronger.
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  I was saying outlooker prospective, and sometimes
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  Christians answer questions that I myself.
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  I was not sure how to deal with and it's educational and it's a
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  pleasure to get to know people that way.
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  Also, I need to, I need to ask you.
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  You don't have a problem with me putting this on the radio later
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  as well, right? No sir, upload it, re-upload it,
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  clip it do whatever you want with it.
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  You have my full permission. All right.
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  Excellent. Well, by by all means sir, go
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  ahead and feel free, take it away.
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  Ask me, I guess anything, really, whatever you would like
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  to go through or inquire about theology or otherwise, I am at
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  your disposal. All right.
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  Well, my first question would be, can you share a bit about
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  your upbringing and how you were first introduced to
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  Christianity? Oh sure.
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  I was raised in the faith non-denominational, really?
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  But I was also put into Catholic and also Lutheran catechism and
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  early training in my youth. So I very much grew up with the
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  knowledge of Christianity and stayed in a non-denominational
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  position. Pretty much my entire life,
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  aside from attending a course, you know, Catholic and Lutheran
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  catechism catechism. Um, so later on in life, I
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  adopted more of a almost, I would say free Grace position on
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  my face. I had adopted a viewpoints.
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  It's a really wasn't anything that I could do to compromise my
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  salvation and so I was more apt to give in to worldly, lusts and
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  even compromises to my Ideology and sometimes even my morals
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  because of a sense of infinite security, I remember the
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  sensation of having that type of feeling and as I progressed
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  later on and then delved into atheism, which is ultimately
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  where it led me, I had a series of interactions with.
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  I would say some relatively smart intelligent Christians,
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  that were all too happy to be harsh in the delivery of their
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  message, which kind of shook my confidence in the atheistic.
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  Worldview, that I had built based upon some very I guess you
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  would say. Flaccid and shallow
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  philosophies, and viewpoints of Christianity.
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  As if the view I had of the falsified Christianity, was just
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  a straw man, that was constructed by a series of You
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  know, Subs sufficient teachers and operators of the faith.
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  They had given me a version of Christianity that to me was not
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  tenable and not defensible. And so it made my faith weak and
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  frail and with the right pressures and the right
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  instigation, it was easy to justify giving it up.
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  I mean, the Allure of the idea that you only get one time in
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  this life and you better do everything.
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  You can with it. The type of moral licensing,
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  that you're able to give yourself and the pursuit of of
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  greed. You know.
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  Gluttony, you know, lost all of these things.
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  It's cataclysmic to the human soul and to the betterment of
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  wife and only through a series of what I would call.
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  Probably Holy Spirit inspired circumstances and events they
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  reaction Center and come back to the face.
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  But now with the completely different tool set a completely
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  different perspective of what Christianity was what the face
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  was, what sound teaching was. And I realized that it wasn't
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  that I was convinced that Christianity was false.
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  I was convinced that the false version of Christianity I was
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  fed. Was false and that did not lead
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  me to another version of Christianity as it tends.
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  Not to this is partially why false teachings and and bad
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  teachings. Even like young Earth can be so
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  dangerous because if people have their faith undermined, they
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  don't tend to just go to a different version of
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  Christianity or just give up on that interpretation of
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  Christianity held onto they just abandon the faith altogether.
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  They tend to go into atheism. The heresy to atheism pipeline
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  is, is very strong and, very clearly seen throughout the
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  world and certainly throughout the Western world.
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  So for me, personally, I was simply confronted with what to
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  me was the undeniable truth that I had not.
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  Adequately and properly, falsified Christianity.
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  Just a bad version of it. That was taught to me by
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  intellectually inferior and you know barely capable teachers who
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  were and I don't fall them. I don't think it was malicious.
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  They were doing the best they could with the information and
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  the tools that were available to them, but it was insufficient
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  for me. um, and not to make an excuse, for the choice is in my
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  life or where I went, but the type of Faith that I was given
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  was frail and weak and it was not well Justified.
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  And when I was confronted in my adult life with the tougher
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  questions, and I didn't have the answers that gradually over time
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  did chip away at my confidence. I do have a list of questions
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  that I have in a notepad that I put together, but every once in
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  a while, I'll throw in some real time stuff.
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  Like he said that you were lured towards atheism for a little bit
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  because of fake form of Christianity, were taught what
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  turned you away from atheism, and what were you looking for in
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  Christianity? Um, in terms of what it's it's
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  hard to really put a finger on like one specific thing.
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  I don't think it would be one specific thing.
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  That turned me away from Atheism, in my mind, the way I
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  look at it. I mean, if I was to point at one
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  thing to say, this turned me away from atheism, I give credit
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  to the Holy Spirit, but I it's not To me, it was a series of
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  works of God, attempting to reach out to me to show me Grace
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  to show me mercy. Not because of me or anything
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  special about me, but just because he's good and he's
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  merciful. And that's just who he is and I
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  was allotted Grace and he worked with me to reach out to me to
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  want to bring me back and it's a series of circumstances and
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  internal and external a sense of a lack of purpose.
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  Meaning belonging a lack of, really, an ability to attach any
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  True Value to anything around. You, objectively, you know, only
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  making up the value that you yourself can subjectively
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  construct and to analyze that. You know, from a perspective
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  outside of just yourself, it's depressing.
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  It's Bleak, it's great, it's small.
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  This the nature of the world, the way that it was put together
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  the way that the fine-tuning of the universe operates the way
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  that we clearly seem to live in an improbable universe.
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  So if you consider all of the cosmological constants that
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  allow us to even be here to have this conversation, we're all
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  just randomly put together to work in perfect synchronicity
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  with each other. I mean the declaim is so
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  Outlandish and improbable not to attempt to grasp onto it as a
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  more reasonable. Explanation for the emergence of
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  the universe. Then a God will now to me,
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  you're just desperate, emotional pleading, it's little arguments
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  like this little Recognitions, you know, being willing to be a
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  piston. Logically honest with did, I
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  have good justification for the beliefs I was adopting or not
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  and I think that's where it begins.
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  So I mean, if I could point to Maybe the most pivotal Lynch
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  pins of my conversion. You know, back from atheism to
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  Christianity, it would be number one, of course, the work of the
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  Holy Spirit, um, and number two was just a willingness to engage
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  in epistemological honesty. So and I think between those two
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  things, anyone can find the truth and come to the knowledge
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  of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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  So He remember the specific or within the exact moment where
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  you felt like you actually embraced what you referred to as
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  real Christianity? Not false doctor?
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  No, no, I couldn't If there was a moment like that, it's, it's
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  going to be mixed in with a whole series of interesting and
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  instrumental moments, and a long path.
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  And a long journey that led me to exactly where I'm at for
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  whatever reason. So the goods some of the bad
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  nonetheless While every person is tested and giving trials,
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  just by nature of the dynamic reality that we inhabit.
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  The test, the mettle. of the truly Spirit connected human
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  being, Is shown in how we handle these things.
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  Um, Do we fold to do we collapse?
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  Do we implode or do? We actually have, and can
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  demonstrate the presence of the Holy Spirit In Our Lives, which
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  gives us the power to persevere through anything.
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  I mean, I don't know how have you ever read the fox's book of
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  Martyrs, by the way, Brad have you ever gone through that
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  before? Heaven had the opportunity as it
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  good. Its, you know, it's probably one
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  of the few things I would say that in terms of Christian,
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  literature would be right up there with about his required
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  reading as you could, I mean, aside from the Bible, of course,
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  Oh yeah, Fox's book of Martyrs to see what our predecessors.
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  Were willing to endure for the faith that they professed is.
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  Outlandishly inspirational. And also shows us what?
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  Incredibly insanely quivering, pussies.
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  We are here in the west. I mean, people will go on
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  massive diets and big gigantic sperm fits because someone said
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  something mean to them on the Internet and we are
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  predecessors. The Saints of the past were
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  willing to get fed to lions, and beheaded, you know, willing to
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  endure, the worst of the worst, you know, with the sense of I
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  guess you would say righteous stoicism collectiveness and
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  fixation on the goal and the grand scope of reality as a post
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  to letting their Vision wander and be fixated on the physical.
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  Anyway. I think I may be diet tribe to
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  their little but I think I may have gone off topic for your
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  question. I apologize.
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  No, I'm totally interested in what you have to say on this.
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  Take your time and you feel like you want to add more do it the
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  same Jeopardy. Appreciate it.
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  Well, as you know, I I can definitely go on for a minute so
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  I can be a bit long-winded. So if you ever want to bring me
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  back to Center, just remind me. Now it's all good.
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  I'm glad that you actually recommended that book.
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  It does sound very interesting the next.
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  Next question, I got for you is how is your relationship with
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  God evolved over the years? Um, yeah, and I was young my
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  relationship with God was extremely Fantastical.
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  It was I don't know. Harry Potter, ask I guess you
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  would say. I mean, the my mind was very
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  open. To the presence and emergence of
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  Miracles and incredible events. I was looking at the Bible
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  through a lens of pure absolute literal fundamentalism with an
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  unquestioning and absolute fixation that the interpretation
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  that I was given was the definitive absolute truth.
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  And no matter what anyone told me they would be lying if they
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  went against what the book. Clearly plainly literally set.
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  Um, and then as I move on and life, and I get challenged by
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  the world for the things I had adopted in the things that I
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  believed in the things that I was taught my relationship with
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  God was compromised, my confidence in God.
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  My confidence, in his Revelation was cracked and that eroded with
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  time and more and more arguments and chasing After more and more
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  vain philosophies, and justification to cling to the
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  idea that, well, you know, maybe I'm just not accountable to any
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  God at all. I can just live, however, the
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  hell I want, you know, whatever, whatever, I could potentially
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  get away with. I can just do, there's no
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  ultimate higher power. There's no ultimate higher
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  authority, you know? And, you know, this is the thing
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  for whatever, atheists want to say about, whatever,
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  manufactured subjective, relativistic moral code, that
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  they can construct of The Ether, you know, that they just make up
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  out of the blue. The one thing that atheist,
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  morality can never ever ever replicate and any system that's
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  like cut can try to construct. Is the sense of awareness, of
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  accountability to a holy God. you know, that if you're a real
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  believer and you're a real Christian, The weight of
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  awareness of that fact. Should always be in the four
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  front of your mind with everything you do. if you look
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  around and even think about any moral decisions, That you're
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  doing and constructing. If there's not a bit of a
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  presence. Of a conflict of conscience
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  through the Holy Spirit. Is reaching out to you and
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  saying what is right or wrong with the correct thing to do.
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  If you don't have that, that's a problem.
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  Like you you are in need of some desperate prayer and so
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  analyzation. If you don't have those moments
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  because I do believe the Holy Spirit, Works in The Believer
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  and the True Believer. The one who is truly aware that
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  God exists that he is, Holy that he is righteous.
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  He is just that he's going to judge the world and he's going
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  to hold everyone to account. If you really believe that if
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  you got that in your head and that's something you truly hold
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  dear to your heart. If you have not only no tissue
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  but a set of fiducie and you've committed it to yourself.
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  Then it should show. It should manifest you should be
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  aware and you're decisions. Now are Well, like, I could do
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  this thing, but how would God see it?
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  How am I going to be judged for this thing?
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  Come judgement day. And if someone is not having
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  those types of thoughts, one should truly question, how
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  strong their connection and link to the true.
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  Holy God actually is if they even have one at all.
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  Right, my next question is where there any significant people
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  friends, family mentors and fluent your face?
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  And what role did they play in shape?
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  In your spiritual beliefs? Here.
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  Well. Probably enough when I was
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  young. People that I would have looked
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  up to. in terms of, Teaching or good.
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  Stalwarts of the faith. Would be people, like Ken
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  samples. Not a lot of people know who he
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  is. He was a strong apologetics
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  writer way back in the day. You know, in the 90s had several
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  pretty successful books about Christian apologetics I mean,
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  there's dead people, I could reference where I read their
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  works that Gave me a lot to think about and to consider.
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  But in terms of living actual human beings that I interacted
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  with that, I didn't interact with Ken samples.
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  He actually taught a couple classes that I attended at
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  Seminary. So he's a really, really good
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  guy, really intelligent and gave a lot of powerful could use for
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  early tools for me in the Rome of apologetics And then, of
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  course, there's people like that I listened to from a distance,
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  you know, like Ken hovind I thought Ken Joven was a rock
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  star back in the day. Ken Ham will be another one
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  Chuck Smith from the Calvary Chapel guys, you know, that
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  would have appeared on, you know, quave and the Calvary
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  Chapel Network or, you know, on the radio stations or, you know,
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  even some stuff on TBN. I mean, I, you know, there was,
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  there was a mix. Of different influences.
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  I would say both near and far but I didn't have this many near
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  as I did far in terms of Spiritual leadership.
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  I really didn't have a lot to go off of but I didn't have a dad.
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  So that was, you know, gonna be a spiritual leader in my direct
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  proximity and the stepdad. I did get was certainly no
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  spiritual man by any stretch of the imagination.
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  So I didn't have a lot in my close proximity to go off of a
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  lot of what I had to go off of this is what I could find.
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  External or the distance. So, How would you describe your
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  personal relationship with Jesus?
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  You know, it's I would say that my relationship with Jesus these
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  days. is more realistic and actual to a real relationship
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  than it ever has been in my entire life and What I mean is
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  that probably for a good portion of my life, my perspective of
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  God was more of just kind of this.
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  Almost non-personal Force, just a power that existed out there
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  in the universe. Beyond like, I, I understood the
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  teachings that he was personal, But I didn't really apply it.
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  In a real abstract, way to understanding my relationship
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  with him. so at the beginning, it was very abstract and it was
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  very vague in terms of my recognition of a relationship of
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  God, but as I went through, My various phases of belief.
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  In Christianity and then atheism and then kind of Christianity.
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  Again, I started to look at the revelation of God, through a
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  slightly different lens. I did start to look at him,
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  through the lens of being a real person, having a real
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  personality, someone with a sense of humor, with a sense of
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  You know, Pride a sense of righteousness, you know, a
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  desire to be merciful but also a need to be just and, you know,
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  my view changed of God. And when my view changed of God,
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  I think my relationship had finally reached a point of
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  maturity these days. My relationship with Jesus, I
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  would say is one of reverence. I don't have this.
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  Viewpoint of a Buddy Christ type system or view like I don't I
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  don't look at this through the Viewpoint of Oh, Christ is just
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  my buddy and we're just gonna hang out and let's do whatever I
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  want type thing. Like like he's my king.
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  These, my Lord, like I'm in service to him.
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  Any, any type of blessing? Any type of recognition?
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  I get from him at all in my life is something I receive that I'm
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  not obligated to get that, I don't deserve.
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  So, any little thing that I get I recognized with the viewpoint,
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  That it's a blessing. I don't deserve, it's not
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  something I've merited. And these things that got us,
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  given me is blessed me and he's blessed me with a lovely wife
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  and opportunities. I'd give up on Amazing.
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  Blessings of happened to me over the last year, that I can't even
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  believe. Or even possible, or even
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  happening, but they are. And this is because God is good.
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  And I see him in his personhood. How he Loves the face of his
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  people, how he loved and relishes, the relationship of
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  Faith. But between his people and
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  himself, how he enjoys having the relationship of trust and
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  recognition and acknowledgment in the day-to-day life that
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  really, this was kind of the whole point, for which we were
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  created from day one. um, I do believe that we were created
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  with the intention of being in communion with God, to being his
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  priests and Kings. I think that was the case from
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  from day one that Adam was created and then Well man, fell.
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  And then we had to do a whole bunch of other stuff to get back
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  to where we started, which was basically, to be servants,
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  priests and Kings to the almighty God and to be in
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  perfect communion with him. So, Um, to have communion with
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  God. I do think you have to know him.
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  I also think you have to kind of want to get to know him.
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  I, I think if you love God, I mean why would you not want to
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  get to know someone? You don't love.
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  And the more I progressed, the more I do get to know him not as
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  just the positional natural theology.
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  You know, they Anonymous entity floating around in the sky that
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  started everything. But as a as a person, as a
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  person with a real relationship, but My relationship.
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  My recent of Christ is one of I would say reverence and even
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  fear I recognize that he is. You know, my only path to
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  Salvation and how he judges me how he judges my life, how he
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  judges my beliefs is the only thing that matters and he is the
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  master that I have to please. And as long as I please my
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  master, I have no worries. I have no threats of
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  disciplining, or problems, or judgment, or condemnation, as
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  long as I keep him at the Forefront of my life as my Lord
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  and Savior. I don't have to fear anything
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  from anyone powers on Earth or Beyond.
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  The next question is and you can kind of dabbled in this a little
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  bit on some of the first couple questions.
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  But was there a time in your life when you questioned your
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  face? And how did you navigate that?
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  Yeah. When I was Attending secular
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  college and getting confronted with questions and inquiries.
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  About the natural world about now, naturalistic theology that
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  I was not. Fully equipped to handle and
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  answer, even certain challenges to Christian like, say the
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  problem of evil. You know, once that of, you
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  know, been talked about and debated.
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  You know, for for the better part of a millennia and I was
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  confronted with these things that I was not entirely equipped
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  to handle and refute and I guess you could say the faith in this.
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  Relatively weak worldview, that I have been taught and adopted
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  kind of fundamentalist young earth type.
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  It just was not going to help me.
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  Stand against the attacks of, you know, secular philosophy and
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  naturalism, and all of these other things that were commonly
• 31:30
  believed. And then, of course, you also
• 31:32
  have the emotional and social peer pressure to adopt these
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  things as well. You don't want to be, you know,
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  seen as The Idiot in your group that believes the Earth is flat
• 31:41
  or young or cubed or, you know, in another reality or in a
• 31:45
  turtle Street, you know, don't want to be that out asshole, you
• 31:47
  know. So you know that puts a bit of
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  pressure, you know, when you're believing something that you've
• 31:51
  been taught, that's just awesome and makes you look like a
• 31:54
  fucking moron, you know? It doesn't really. you know, it
• 31:58
  doesn't do much to strengthen your face or make you feel
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  validated and what you've adopted to be true It's I don't
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  know what it is but it seems like you, you always bring it
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  into the next question. I mean it's falling so.
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  Well, the next question is, actually how do you reconcile
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  the concept of a loving God? But the existence of suffering
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  and evil in the world, you see what I mean?
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  Problem of evil of standing. Yeah, the problem of evil is the
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  first I first came across that probably in my early early 20s
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  and I had a semi deterministic view of reality.
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  That was the little bit muddled and Confused kind of, like, no
• 32:46
  offense Beckle, but I'd say it's kind of a little bit like the
• 32:49
  compatible isn't that you kind of Seem to hold to these days in
• 32:53
  terms of what I viewed. Here's here's the thing with the
• 32:57
  problem of evil and my viewpoint and I don't know.
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  I think how deep I want to go into this is kind of like a
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  whole lesson in and of itself. I could do a whole hour long
• 33:07
  Street on the problem of evil. From my perspective, I'll try to
• 33:10
  give the two log didn't read answer for this, but in short,
• 33:15
  I'm not a calvinist. I'm not in our media.
• 33:18
  I'm not an open csst. I am a molinist to me Moline is
• 33:24
  them Rock inside. A lot of these philosophical
• 33:29
  challenges and problems that atheists or critics will try to
• 33:36
  bring up the problem of evil. In my mind is certainly very
• 33:41
  adequately solved in the world of melanism and without going
• 33:45
  too far Down the path on that is probably good to set up a stream
• 33:50
  just on that alone in the future.
• 33:52
  Just answering the problem of evil and have a whole open room
• 33:55
  about it, but in short, I I'll present it to you this way, so
• 33:59
  you can kind of understand my perspective of how I tackle this
• 34:01
  and how a mole this with tackles this if you have a computer
• 34:06
  program, everyone that would create a computer program would
• 34:12
  create the program with a purpose and intentions.
• 34:16
  Something that's supposed to accomplish.
• 34:17
  One of the reason, is there to write the program?
• 34:20
  If you're right the program, the program has a teleology, it has
• 34:24
  a purpose to what it was made to do.
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  What it's made to accomplish. Now if you're right in the
• 34:30
  program and you want to accomplish this goal with, that
• 34:32
  means is that every single little subset, every single
• 34:37
  little aspect that you program into the program has to support
• 34:42
  the primary function. So whatever component of this
• 34:46
  program, whatever logic gate or or language set that you are
• 34:52
  providing into this program to make it do what you want, it all
• 34:55
  has to flow through. Its primary purpose, its
• 34:59
  intention. Because if you write something
• 35:01
  in the code or you add something into the program that has no
• 35:05
  validity, the purpose or violates the purpose.
• 35:09
  Then you've just created a nonsensical worthless program.
• 35:14
  So in my viewpoint in the problem of evil, In a universe
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  that is maintaining its primary purpose.
• 35:22
  Its primary focus for the reason of what it was created, which is
• 35:26
  to Allow for a relational Dynamic, a true and genuine and
• 35:32
  sincere relationship dynamic between the creation and the
• 35:36
  Creator. What that means is that you have
• 35:39
  to have a reality with certain allowances ranges Scopes and
• 35:43
  permissions just has to. Otherwise, you cannot have the
• 35:49
  program maintained its purpose. So everything in reality, every
• 35:54
  component, Everett every piece of, it needs to be within the
• 35:57
  line within Synergy of the primary purpose of what it's
• 36:01
  there in the primary purpose of this reality is for God to have
• 36:06
  a loving relationship with his creation.
• 36:09
  He desires communion, he desires relationship with his, with his
• 36:14
  sons that he has created. This is this is his fixation,
• 36:18
  this is purpose. This is what he wants.
• 36:20
  And so reality has to be structured has to set in such a
• 36:25
  way. To protect that because that's
• 36:28
  the whole purpose of it. And if you violate the purpose,
• 36:30
  there's no reason to have reality at all.
• 36:32
  If you violate the purpose of the program, while riding the
• 36:35
  program. There's no point to have the
• 36:38
  program at all. And that is where molinism
• 36:41
  solves the problem of evil. It's not that the evil was
• 36:44
  authored or necessary in reality.
• 36:47
  It's that for the purpose of reality, it had to be possible,
• 36:52
  it had to be allowed to have an emergence and with that the
• 36:58
  beings that reside therein have the opportunity to give the Free
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  Will choice to love or to not love to extend love or to not
• 37:08
  extend. Love to withhold love.
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  You know. This is the choice that
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  essentially all humans are given.
• 37:14
  In fact, you can, essentially for the most part, boiled down
• 37:19
  every single, moral problem, in every society, since the dawn of
• 37:25
  time by mankind, making one of two choices, love or not love.
• 37:33
  What's that? Love not love pretty much.
• 37:37
  Every moral decision that mankind is ever confronted with
• 37:41
  personal external, corporate doesn't matter.
• 37:44
  Every all of these decisions. Essentially, boiled down to that
• 37:48
  pivotal Choice, are you going to express love, or you going to
• 37:52
  withhold the expression of love? And this is essentially really
• 37:57
  the core of what objective morality in Christianity is.
• 38:03
  I don't know why atheists and Christians are seemingly.
• 38:08
  So consistently clueless about what Christian ethical morality
• 38:14
  is all about. But if you want to take it down
• 38:17
  to its lowest common denominator, it's off the Old
• 38:21
  Testament, it's not the 1060 Commandments, it's not the
• 38:26
  totality of the book letter by letter, word by word sentence,
• 38:30
  by sentence, you know, dictation on top of dictation to handle
• 38:34
  every single possible scenario imaginable.
• 38:36
  It's not all of these things, it is Christian morality boils
• 38:40
  down. And you can see this very
• 38:42
  clearly in Jesus's teaching zip boils down to just basically
• 38:46
  this love are not love. If you show love you're being
• 38:50
  moral, if you deprive love or you withhold love, you're not
• 38:53
  it's just it's just that simple. It's just that easy and that is
• 38:58
  really what Christian morality is essentially composed of
• 39:01
  bottom line. At the end of the day, this is
• 39:04
  what the Christian ethical Paradigm is all about.
• 39:09
  So, the next question will actually be based upon real
• 39:13
  time, but let me, let me just wrap up real quick.
• 39:16
  I'm so sorry since it was the question of the problem of evil.
• 39:22
  With the allowance of the possibility of evil being
• 39:25
  basically a necessary component to allow for the expression of
• 39:29
  Free Will and only with the expression of Free Will.
• 39:31
  Can there be a truly loving relationship between the
• 39:33
  creation of the creator? That is the true answer.
• 39:36
  If I was to boil it down in a little tight, little nutshell, a
• 39:40
  little package, and we could go into it probably for an hour
• 39:43
  straight to really unpack it, but to really boil it down, The
• 39:47
  it's not that God even intended evil inside a universe, has to
• 39:51
  have an allowance for the possibility of evil.
• 39:53
  And if the challenge is what God could step in and stop the evil
• 39:57
  from happening. Well, you really mean is, God,
• 40:00
  could step in and stop the expression of Free Will, which
• 40:03
  he gave to the person, which means there was no reason for
• 40:05
  him to give it to him to begin with.
• 40:06
  And now you've just created essentially a mobile collapse of
• 40:09
  Reality by demanding. God to violate the very Free
• 40:13
  Will and autonomy that he gifted the creation.
• 40:16
  So that was my final point. I'll wrap it up there.
• 40:18
  Go ahead. If atheists, don't believe in
• 40:23
  God. Therefore, they wouldn't have
• 40:26
  the objective morality yet you have Christians.
• 40:29
  Who say once saved, always saved.
• 40:31
  Then, what's the incentive for either group to do any good
• 40:35
  whatsoever? Well.
• 40:43
  I mean, atheists develop I guess you would you would say maybe a
• 40:47
  synthetic form of altruism or benevolence and it's it's not
• 40:53
  usually really grounded in anything other than ego.
• 40:58
  Atheists, I assure you in a general sense, our far more
• 41:04
  interested in being perceived as moral people.
• 41:07
  That actually being more um, they'll put a lot less thought
• 41:13
  into What actually is moral? Than what they can do to be
• 41:21
  perceived as moral. um, this is them being on the shifting sand
• 41:29
  of their Viewpoint and position with no real solid foundation to
• 41:34
  base anymore moral stance on it ends up being some sort of
• 41:39
  weird, I don't know emotionally focused pursuit of self
• 41:45
  flatulation, trying to convince themselves that they are good
• 41:48
  people because they do good things for people sometimes and
• 41:52
  maybe enough good. And that wipes out, you know,
• 41:56
  the rest free grades. I mean free Grace is in a way
• 42:03
  yeah just license for a debauchery really actually it's
• 42:08
  not even really that here's the thing frequency to me.
• 42:12
  Isn't it so dangerous? I guess that it is a license to
• 42:15
  sin as it is. A license to.
• 42:20
  Be stagnant and to abandon all. Self-reflection and internal
• 42:27
  critique. ah, the license to sin is kind of just a byproduct of
• 42:33
  that if you Stop analyzing yourself, stop analyzing your
• 42:39
  beliefs, honestly and earnestly. Judging yourself considering
• 42:43
  yourself analyzing yourself to see whether you are in the true
• 42:46
  faith. If you give up all that, then
• 42:49
  the perversion can sink in the heresies.
• 42:53
  The Toxic beliefs the bad. I don't know.
• 42:59
  Bad attitudes hatred of people. Bad viewpoints immoral living
• 43:03
  that I think that's where it starts to filter in.
• 43:08
  It's not so much that a free Grace or we'll see.
• 43:14
  You know, and they will accept the idea that yeah, they can do
• 43:17
  anything. They want not lose their
• 43:18
  salvation, but on the other side of the coin, then they, they
• 43:21
  have this idea that. Well, if I send too much, I'm
• 43:24
  gonna lose rewards and I don't want to, you know, I don't want
• 43:27
  to be the poor guy in heaven. You know, Wanna Be the whole
• 43:29
  When Heaven that doesn't have any crowns or Rewards or money
• 43:32
  that I, you know, I don't have any spiritual wealth, you know,
• 43:35
  because I didn't live a good life.
• 43:38
  The problem is some people don't give shit about that.
• 43:41
  Maybe some people think, you know, banging horse every
• 43:43
  weekend as a lot better than any, you know, spiritual Crown.
• 43:45
  They're going to get, they're just fine being a hobo with
• 43:47
  Heaven, you know, as long as they get to Bangers in this
• 43:49
  life. So it you know, it's a matter of
• 43:51
  perspective. But yeah, each one of them have
• 43:54
  a bad justification. For doing any type of moral good
• 43:59
  at all. I mean, and there's no weight
• 44:02
  really to the decisions of free Grace or makes about what they
• 44:05
  believe, how they act, how they live, how they treat people, the
• 44:09
  morality they adopt. I mean, they don't really have a
• 44:12
  concern in the world about it. They're just desensitized any
• 44:14
  concern about being wrong or corrupt or unsaved.
• 44:18
  I mean, really, you know, around about way.
• 44:20
  Well, I'm around about way, really a pretty direct way to
• 44:23
  adopt, free Grace at all. In many instances, is to adopt
• 44:28
  some form of Cartesian certainty, absolute certainty
• 44:32
  that you are saved, and that you have the correct gospel.
• 44:35
  The problem is, you're not having certainty in the gospel,
• 44:41
  you're having, certainly in your own epistemology.
• 44:45
  Of the Gospel that you chose to believe.
• 44:47
  This is this is a real major category error, Ault on many of
• 44:53
  the fragrance where they present the idea of oh no I absolutely
• 44:57
  undoubtedly unquestioningly on I can't even tell you how how
• 45:04
  absolutely true 150,000 billion percent.
• 45:09
  Hi, I'm saved. That's not.
• 45:12
  That's not confidence in the gospel.
• 45:16
  That's not confidence and Grace. That's not confidence in God.
• 45:20
  That's confidence that day. Their own brain, their own
• 45:25
  epistemology their own reasoning.
• 45:28
  Let them to the true message, the true gospel.
• 45:31
  The true belief and that they don't need any self analyzation.
• 45:35
  They don't need any any critical Viewpoint of themselves because
• 45:39
  they are already got it. There's no doubt that they
• 45:41
  already got it. And anyone else that pops up
• 45:44
  just must be wrong because they absolutely are undoubtedly,
• 45:47
  right? And I see this very toxic, very
• 45:53
  dangerous viewpoint. Of the free groceries regularly.
• 45:57
  This this sense of absolute certainty, which is not A
• 46:01
  certainty in the gospel or the grace of God as much as it is a
• 46:06
  certainty in their own bankrupt, epistemology and bad gospel.
• 46:12
  That they got it figured out, they've got to figure out better
• 46:15
  than anyone and there's no way that they could possibly be
• 46:19
  wrong and if you talk to any of these free Racers you'll find
• 46:22
  that they have that very position that they are saved and
• 46:25
  they couldn't possibly be wrong about it.
• 46:27
  They couldn't possibly have a wrong doctor or a bad belief.
• 46:31
  They all sit here and tell you right now.
• 46:33
  I absolutely could have a wrong Doctrine or belief, which is why
• 46:38
  I am open. This is why I do shows like this
• 46:41
  is why I'm always open to challenges from anyone.
• 46:43
  I'd rather. I'd rather be adopting truth.
• 46:49
  Than having to always pretend to be correct all the time.
• 46:52
  This is why I do things the way I do them and why I always open
• 46:57
  myself to to challenges and direct interactions regularly,
• 47:03
  Because that is that is important to me and
• 47:06
  epistemological, certainty and honesty and humility is
• 47:09
  important to me and I want to inspire it to be important to
• 47:13
  others because that's what helps us overcome.
• 47:16
  Our pride, and our ego and our emotional attachment to bad
• 47:19
  beliefs is to be willing to be on us.
• 47:23
  Sincere, humble about the pursuit of Truth.
• 47:27
  That's really to me, what is essentially missing in a lot of
• 47:32
  people who are wandering around in the darkness or a bunch of
• 47:35
  fallacy and error. They lack the ability or the
• 47:38
  desire to be honest or sincere or humble in their Pursuit Of
• 47:42
  Truth and atheists and free Graces.
• 47:46
  Are really just as bad. And any regards, in fact I even
• 47:50
  said in many regards, in terms of how free Graces view the
• 47:55
  world, they're not too terribly different.
• 47:59
  From the goddamn satanists. What is the, what is the
• 48:03
  Satanist moral code do as that will?
• 48:06
  That is the full of the law. What the hell is the free?
• 48:09
  Grace law? Not exactly the same.
• 48:13
  Do as thou Wilt. That is the full of the laws.
• 48:16
  That not what they tell you all the time.
• 48:18
  There is no law. Unto your salvation for you to
• 48:23
  regard. There's a lot of love, love,
• 48:25
  love, Liberty, love Faith. All of these things.
• 48:28
  Exist in the Bible, by the way. But they just deny there is no,
• 48:32
  there is no law whatsoever. In effect under the dispense, I
• 48:38
  should have growing as bill would say, They're just is it.
• 48:42
  It doesn't exist. So how was that?
• 48:45
  Any different from what a Satanist would teach Maybe they
• 48:50
  serve the same master. I'm just saying. so anyway, Now
• 48:55
  that was a damn fine and impersonation of Bill right on
• 48:58
  the money. It don't you all know that
• 49:02
  you're currently under the arrow of the dispensation of grace and
• 49:07
  the wondermints of the great morning, God, or abounding
• 49:11
  amongst the beloveds. What you do remake of Monty
• 49:19
  Python, what does being a Christian mean to you in a
• 49:23
  day-to-day basis and how do you feel the shape your identity?
• 49:28
  oh, um, Take up your cross your cross and follow Christ daily
• 49:36
  choose on this day. Who you will serve.
• 49:39
  Um, We? Make our decisions of our life
• 49:47
  path. Weak year month-to-month.
• 49:53
  Or by Our Moment by moment Choice by choice.
• 49:58
  Where you stand with God. in terms of your heart and in terms
• 50:05
  of your sanctification, this is the sign and seal of your
• 50:10
  justification in Salvation is the presence of God in your life
• 50:14
  now. People will stumble.
• 50:18
  They'll struggle They'll have things in their life that they
• 50:22
  are convicted of that. They want to remove that maybe
• 50:25
  are a challenge to their relationship with the holy God.
• 50:32
  Um, the fact that those people struggle at all and aren't just
• 50:36
  delivered over to it, to me. Would be a signifier that the
• 50:41
  holy spirit is working with them that there's hope for them.
• 50:46
  People who remain in their stagnation with no effect.
• 50:53
  To their conscience and their soul.
• 50:56
  That's someone. I do not see the work of the
• 51:00
  Holy Spirit upon. um, and as Christians, we should be able to
• 51:08
  operate with a level of reasonable. discernment with the
• 51:13
  people around us with even though those are claiming To be
• 51:18
  Christian, I mean as we've seen in our culture, people can claim
• 51:22
  to be a whole lot of things and not be true men to be women.
• 51:25
  Women can do to be men, you know, high schoolers can claim
• 51:29
  to be all various types of animals and all that crazy
• 51:32
  nonsense claims don't really matter, what matters is the
• 51:37
  application, and the commitment and the manifestation, Of the
• 51:43
  choices and beliefs in your life, someone who has a true
• 51:48
  link to the Holy Spirit I believe. is going to manifest
• 51:54
  that in their I guess what's the best way to put it?
• 51:59
  I don't want to say demeanor, but in their It's they will,
• 52:06
  they will manifest it in their day-to-day operations, their
• 52:08
  choices. How receptive they are to truth,
• 52:11
  correction doing the right thing doing the moral thing.
• 52:15
  How are they resistive? You know, to goodness or do they
• 52:19
  lean into it? I do believe saved people, even
• 52:24
  if maybe they believed the wrong thing now or believe dangerous
• 52:29
  things. Now, I do think we can see many
• 52:34
  people that have the work of the Holy Spirit on their life, for
• 52:39
  someone who is just You know, where's the sting at every
• 52:44
  possible chance. So to me, in terms of
• 52:49
  recognizing, In my self and also in. my fellow Believers or those
• 52:57
  that claim to be Believers the presence of the holy spirit in
• 53:01
  their lives is I will see A desire to want to be.
• 53:06
  You know, honest about truth honest about their faith.
• 53:09
  Honest, about the pursuit of Truth.
• 53:12
  Um, a certain sense of humility, a certain innate desire to do,
• 53:18
  what is right to do. What is moral, to be able to
• 53:21
  bend to counsel and good? Excellent.
• 53:26
  Exhortation about what is right and moral.
• 53:28
  These are the things that will indicate to me. a connection to
• 53:33
  the Holy Spirit long before any Profession of Faith or any
• 53:37
  statement about what someone believes if that makes sense.
• 53:45
  The next question is, how do you interpret the Bible's creation
• 53:49
  account and light of modern scientific discoveries.
• 53:52
  And also do you believe that there are any scientists out
• 53:56
  there who actively pursue the destruction of the Christianity?
• 54:04
  Um yeah. I am an older and I'm not shy
• 54:07
  about that. As I mentioned, many times
• 54:09
  before I do adhere to, I guess you would say probably more of a
• 54:14
  reason to believe model, you guys can go to rtb.org reasons
• 54:20
  to believe headed up by Hugh, Ross Dr. Hugh Ross
• 54:22
  astrophysicist, I don't need to sit here and give you the whole
• 54:27
  take of it. If you guys were really
• 54:28
  interested in kind of the the biblical you know,
• 54:31
  interpretation of the Genesis text in the white of, I believe
• 54:36
  proper interpretation regarding frame of reference.
• 54:40
  I do believe that their model is incredibly thorough and very
• 54:46
  accurate and is very true and respectful to the text and the
• 54:51
  role of Revelation given to us by God the grand Consideration
• 54:57
  that he Ross and the older who's there at reasons to believe.
• 55:01
  Hold on to is basically a idea that God has revealed himself to
• 55:05
  us, not only in his book of Revelation which is the Bible
• 55:11
  and everything contend their end.
• 55:14
  But the he is also revealed himself in the book of nature.
• 55:19
  Which is all of reality around us.
• 55:22
  It's what we see in Romans 1 where God is clearly seen in all
• 55:26
  the things around us the reference to that.
• 55:28
  Is that God himself is stated. Hey, You can see the Wonders and
• 55:34
  glories of my hands, you know, you see evidence of me existing
• 55:39
  in everything. If you look around the atheist
• 55:42
  mark this is what do they call it?
• 55:44
  The, look at the trees argument or something like that.
• 55:47
  Um, but it's true. I mean to really look at the
• 55:51
  nature of reality, the improbable Universe in which we
• 55:54
  reside. And not think that there's some
• 55:58
  kind of intelligence. Behind it seems to be wanting to
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  just grasp onto the most improbable.
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  Of explanations to the origin of the university to try to avoid.
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  I don't know, I guess. That to avoid your own sense of
• 56:16
  accountability to the holy God. And to the divine That's all I
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  can think of. So, Just just make sure because
• 56:26
  there was a part of but you weren't able to get a hold of,
• 56:30
  but do you believe that there are any scientists?
• 56:33
  What's right? Yeah, I I mean there might be a
• 56:38
  few. I mean there's there's you know,
• 56:41
  I mean you know Brad there's a lot of, you know, really toxic
• 56:47
  You know, malignant atheists out there.
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  I'm sure a few of them have credentials hate Christianity,
• 56:54
  so, there might be a few. Do I do?
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  I think it's the norm. Do I think that people in
• 57:00
  science in a general sense have some sort of unrequited angst or
• 57:05
  hatred or desire to Cripple? Religion.
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  Not really. I don't think it's probably, you
• 57:11
  know, a real common thing but yeah.
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  Are there a few people out there that hate Crusade with a passion
• 57:16
  and probably look for every opportunity and their personal
• 57:20
  profession undermine? Yeah there's probably a few.
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  I don't I mean I don't think there's none that I don't think
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  it's the norm. So you know, somewhere in
• 57:28
  between I imagine All right, fair enough.
• 57:32
  The next question is, in what ways do you think the church is
• 57:36
  straight from the teachings of Jesus?
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  And how can it return? If possible at all?
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  The church. That's Here's the thing to me,
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  in terms of how I would Define quote unquote, the church, or at
• 57:57
  least how it seems to manifest itself.
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  The way that scripture defines it, I regard the church per se.
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  To basically be the collection of all true Saints and
• 58:14
  Believers. One of the reasons why, you
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  know, people that watch my show all those years, you know.
• 58:18
  Remember that I used to end every show by saying peace of
• 58:22
  peace and Christ to all the true Saints out there, you know, and
• 58:26
  then say Smoky Saints signing out.
• 58:27
  That was kind of the recognition that I was aware that there were
• 58:32
  probably saved people and just about every denomination out
• 58:38
  there, maybe, even some of the Colts, not that I would treat a
• 58:43
  cultist. Like he was saved refund that he
• 58:45
  was saved, but I couldn't be wrong, you know?
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  But by all reasonable judgment in front of me there or not.
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  But this is the recognition to me.
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  What the church is to me is all of the True Believers, the true
• 58:57
  saved and they might be Baptist Pentecostal.
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  You know, Catholic Orthodox, probably not Catholic, but you
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  know what I'm saying? And they're going to be
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  Sanctified, they're going to be connected to the holy God and of
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  love, and reverence to him going and abiding by the teachings
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  that they had access to approaching and attempting to
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  approach God and diligence sincerity and they will be saved
• 59:28
  and they could be a part of many different types of
• 59:31
  denominations. So that's generally what I
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  consider to be the church so in terms of my view of what the
• 59:36
  church is. Um, I wouldn't say the church
• 59:40
  could wander and sway by Merit of the definition of what it is,
• 59:43
  which is the body of Christ, which is all true.
• 59:45
  Saints, by Merit of them being true Saints.
• 59:48
  They won't want to So, the church really wandering isn't to
• 59:52
  me possible, however, to approach that maybe from a
• 59:56
  different view in terms of looking at churches, more of an
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  isolated or specific. Component or denomination or
• 1:00:06
  group or building? Yes, many of them have wandered.
• 1:00:11
  In fact, I could say that Western Christianity, not really
• 1:00:14
  the western church because again of how I kind of Define and
• 1:00:18
  operate with the word but Western Christianity, what it's
• 1:00:22
  become um is weak. A flaccid scared.
• 1:00:29
  Temperamental compromising. Weak-willed immoral, immoral.
• 1:00:36
  Really a moral not even immoral. Really just immoral just really
• 1:00:39
  not having Any strong knowledge or grasp onto what morality even
• 1:00:45
  is? Um, there are compromises their
• 1:00:48
  liberals, they're Liars. They're deviants their friends
• 1:00:51
  of the world, the western church has To me, Fallen.
• 1:00:57
  Shy of sound teaching sound Doctrine.
• 1:01:00
  Sound exhortation. It's, it's become a bit of a
• 1:01:04
  circus in many regards. It seems to be a bit more about
• 1:01:09
  entertainment and the service of self or the elevation of self
• 1:01:15
  more than it is the pursuit of Truth or sound teaching.
• 1:01:22
  All right, this next question I got for you, I have discovered
• 1:01:27
  when I have asked us to other people.
• 1:01:28
  They get a little anxious, but I think you'd be able to handle
• 1:01:32
  it. Here we go.
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  How do you discern when a prompting this from the Holy
• 1:01:37
  Spirit versus your own thoughts and desires?
• 1:01:42
  It's a good question. Um, now the Bible tells us to
• 1:01:46
  test The spirits. um, if I have an inclination, an idea, a
• 1:01:54
  thought, an inspiration, Here's the thing, whatever idea I have
• 1:02:00
  or thought or inspiration. If it's from the Holy Spirit, it
• 1:02:04
  is going to comport with. It is going to synergize with is
• 1:02:08
  going to be compatible with. Whatever has already.
• 1:02:13
  Been done with or revealed by the holy spirit.
• 1:02:15
  So in terms of coming up with a Idea or teaching or Viewpoint,
• 1:02:21
  or even a moral decision? um, if I am coming up with what
• 1:02:26
  I believe to be an inspiration and I don't think you can
• 1:02:31
  necessarily innately know right off the bat.
• 1:02:35
  If it's coming from just internal self or the Holy Spirit
• 1:02:40
  and I think there is a level of testing one should do, and I'm
• 1:02:45
  not, I'm not one of those really Supernatural heavy.
• 1:02:49
  Christians, you know, I'm not one who's had a lot of, you
• 1:02:51
  know, like real heavy Supernatural or spiritual
• 1:02:54
  experiences, I don't see ghosts, I don't see angels, I don't see,
• 1:02:57
  you know, Holy Spirits, floating around in curtains, like, praise
• 1:03:00
  does, you know, I don't see any of that stuff.
• 1:03:01
  So that's not that's not really my connection to God.
• 1:03:04
  That's a really my relationship. It's more logical, analytical,
• 1:03:08
  you know, type of type of justification relationship, but
• 1:03:12
  I think that's just tailored for me for and some people do have
• 1:03:15
  very emotional, very spiritual relations, I'm not insulting
• 1:03:18
  that. I'm not doubting that.
• 1:03:19
  That's fine. That's, you know, that's for
• 1:03:21
  them. That's okay.
• 1:03:21
  That's just not me. It's just not my connection.
• 1:03:24
  That's not my, I'm not in that, I'm just saying, that's not,
• 1:03:27
  that's not me. And my, my personal connection.
• 1:03:31
  So, um, ask the question again, Brad, I want to really Center on
• 1:03:40
  that. Ask it one more time so good and
• 1:03:44
  basically in some plastic terms, how does one discern the
• 1:03:48
  difference between the Holy Spirit speaking to them versus
• 1:03:52
  their own designers? I don't in the spur of the
• 1:03:59
  moment. I don't think you're going to
• 1:04:00
  know exactly, definitely one way or the other.
• 1:04:03
  However, if what you're told goes against scripture or the
• 1:04:07
  previous work of the Holy Spirit or validation of Holy Spirit,
• 1:04:10
  through work of your personal teachers, and also your work
• 1:04:13
  through scripture and is sanctifying work.
• 1:04:15
  If anything goes against that then it's probably not of him,
• 1:04:17
  it's probably something else and it's probably just yourself.
• 1:04:21
  I wouldn't I you know, I get real.
• 1:04:27
  I get real temperamental with some of the people that will say
• 1:04:30
  things. Oh yeah.
• 1:04:30
  God talks to me, like, you know, literally like words in my head,
• 1:04:34
  like it sounds a little bit more like, like, possibly a consort
• 1:04:38
  of schizophrenia. I'm not saying it's impossible.
• 1:04:40
  I just, you know, I mean you're talking about like profit levels
• 1:04:44
  of connection to the holy God which I'm sorry.
• 1:04:46
  I'm going to be a little skeptical about You know that
• 1:04:49
  God is somehow, I got still speaking scripture through you
• 1:04:53
  you know as essentially what you're playing and that's that's
• 1:04:56
  a that's a big tall. Thing to to say so in terms of
• 1:05:01
  how the Holy Spirit Works through us through inspiration.
• 1:05:04
  I you know I don't think there's anything that we should take or
• 1:05:09
  be revealed to us that we just automatically assume you know,
• 1:05:12
  right off the bat. Oh, that just came from the holy
• 1:05:14
  spirit because I thought it that I've seen people operate that
• 1:05:18
  way, I think that's super dangerous.
• 1:05:20
  Um, just because you came up with something or thought of
• 1:05:24
  something. It doesn't mean it came from the
• 1:05:27
  Holy Spirit, it could just be you.
• 1:05:29
  I mean you could have just come up with that.
• 1:05:31
  I've seen so many people fall into all kinds of really
• 1:05:36
  perverse arrogant heresy. because of some belief that You
• 1:05:41
  know, they were just had some extra anointing or something or
• 1:05:44
  could hear the voice of God in their head or something like
• 1:05:47
  that. I think every Christian should
• 1:05:48
  analyze. If you come up with something
• 1:05:50
  where I start with something or a decision or a belief or a
• 1:05:54
  perspective test, it tested to scripture and test it to
• 1:05:57
  commentary, test it to scholarship to see how coherent
• 1:06:00
  it is before you adopt it and work it into your belief system.
• 1:06:04
  That's I guess that's my answer. I think that coherent the next
• 1:06:09
  one advice. All right.
• 1:06:11
  My next question is actually based upon something that you
• 1:06:14
  were just referring to about people who claimed to see ghosts
• 1:06:18
  or strange spiritual phenomenon. I've actually heard Satanist who
• 1:06:23
  are theistic, who believe that I've heard Christians playing it
• 1:06:27
  and I've even heard a couple eight years to say.
• 1:06:29
  They think they might have seen a goats.
• 1:06:31
  Now, my question for you is this when I read the Bible, it just
• 1:06:35
  seems to imply to me that when someone dies, they remain dead
• 1:06:39
  until Jesus comes and gets them. So why are people saying that
• 1:06:44
  ghosts are running around? Well. you know, one of the
• 1:06:50
  things I have found interesting about Now here's the thing, I do
• 1:06:56
  think God, this is going to be a whole thing.
• 1:06:58
  This is just my opinion, by the way, you got no one out there.
• 1:07:02
  Take this as some sort of like Definitive Viewpoint or
• 1:07:07
  something or majorly. Deductive argument is about to
• 1:07:09
  what this is just my view. From what I've seen from what
• 1:07:13
  I've learned from what people have presented.
• 1:07:15
  Now, all the Ghost Hunters stuff might be pure bulshit.
• 1:07:19
  I mean it might be you know for all I know because you're right.
• 1:07:22
  Brad. I mean the Bible is kind of
• 1:07:24
  clear, like once you're dead, you're dead.
• 1:07:26
  It's a lot of demand to die once and then the judgment and then
• 1:07:29
  you got the Story of the rich man and Lazarus or him.
• 1:07:32
  He's actually talking about. Hey, can I go back and warm?
• 1:07:34
  My family is like, no, no one can cross over from four and for
• 1:07:38
  more than they are and stuff like that.
• 1:07:39
  So, Um, I think the Bible is clear that once you're dead,
• 1:07:43
  you're dead. However, on the other hand,
• 1:07:46
  there are also verses that condemn engaging in necromancy
• 1:07:50
  or communication with the dead. Well, why would the Bible warn
• 1:07:56
  us against that if it wasn't possible to do it and maybe
• 1:07:59
  communicating with that, isn't really communicating with the
• 1:08:01
  debt at all. Maybe it's just communicating
• 1:08:02
  with demons. That's why God commanded not to
• 1:08:05
  do it, you can take a bunch of different viewpoints of that if
• 1:08:09
  you want. But in terms of like if there is
• 1:08:11
  any legitimacy, just someone seeing a ghost or recording a
• 1:08:15
  ghost in terms of being a sentient entity.
• 1:08:18
  I find that unlikely in fact, The way that it almost seems the
• 1:08:24
  way that people. Record or see ghosts or have
• 1:08:30
  interactions with ghosts of any kind.
• 1:08:33
  Um, it seems to be less than a real sentient or coherent
• 1:08:40
  interaction. It almost seems like to me.
• 1:08:43
  They're not really interacting with an entity or a presents,
• 1:08:47
  really. It's just almost like an echo,
• 1:08:49
  like a shadow. like, as if there was, you know, maybe in the
• 1:08:53
  instances of significant, emotional trauma, or distress
• 1:08:58
  that there was some sort of I don't know.
• 1:09:03
  Spiritual higher dimensional impression.
• 1:09:06
  That was placed upon the space. That is simply, I don't know, an
• 1:09:11
  infusion of energy of the being that was there or something in a
• 1:09:16
  and it just lasts and resides there, kind of a shadow, a
• 1:09:22
  record of their presence in this space.
• 1:09:24
  That is somehow occasionally manifesting and being present,
• 1:09:28
  not that there's any sentence behind it or personhood behind
• 1:09:33
  it. It's just, it's like watching a
• 1:09:34
  recording, you know, essentially like, you know, if you watch an
• 1:09:38
  old video of something, someone did like you're not watching,
• 1:09:40
  you know, the person in real time, you're just watching an
• 1:09:43
  echo a shadow. You were representation of
• 1:09:46
  something nothing once worse or something in the past.
• 1:09:49
  That seems to be a little more to me what's going on.
• 1:09:54
  And I think most likely if anyone's having any type of
• 1:09:58
  dynamic or sentient interaction with something.
• 1:10:03
  Supernatural. I tend to think that that's
• 1:10:05
  probably demonic. I think the ghost stuff.
• 1:10:08
  Is horseshit. Um, unless like, unless you get
• 1:10:12
  to a point where it's, you know, either a and echo of someone's
• 1:10:15
  past life, just kind of I don't know, their residual energy,
• 1:10:20
  just kind of still reverberating in the fibers of reality in a
• 1:10:26
  different dimensional level or something along those lines and
• 1:10:30
  if there's any type of interaction of any sentient or
• 1:10:32
  intelligent kind, I tend to think that's probably some
• 1:10:35
  demonic shit. That's 10 that that's at least
• 1:10:38
  the way I feel it. So, All right, this will be an
• 1:10:42
  unusual type of science. Question, are you familiar with
• 1:10:46
  the Fermi paradox? I'm sorry.
• 1:10:50
  Are you familiar with a concept called the Fermi paradox?
• 1:10:55
  Oh no, I am not. You're gonna have to refresh me
• 1:10:58
  on that one. The Fermi Paradox asked the
• 1:11:01
  question, why is it that there's supposedly billions of planets
• 1:11:05
  in the universe? Yet the only planet that seems
• 1:11:09
  to have worked with at least, according to scientists, A
• 1:11:12
  biogenesis, and we see no remnants of Life anywhere in the
• 1:11:18
  universe. And that also goes to the next
• 1:11:20
  part of the question of why did God create all these planets
• 1:11:24
  exist? According to scientists,
• 1:11:29
  Interesting. Um, so, I think I, I mean, in
• 1:11:36
  terms of paradox, I mean, I don't know how much of a parrot.
• 1:11:38
  I mean, guess it is a paradox for naturalism, seemingly
• 1:11:41
  contradictory truth, because it's a problem for them.
• 1:11:43
  It's not really a problem for Christians because certainly We
• 1:11:48
  can we take the Viewpoint that life is rare.
• 1:11:51
  That life is special, it's not common, it's not something that
• 1:11:55
  just emerges, you know, because you have, you know, the right
• 1:11:59
  the right chemicals in the right soup and the right environment
• 1:12:02
  at the right time, like this is not what Christians believe for,
• 1:12:07
  for atheists, for naturalists. It's a problem because you'd
• 1:12:10
  expect like well, because I mean don't you hear that all the
• 1:12:13
  time, right? Brad.
• 1:12:14
  I mean if you bring up the fine-tuning of the universe, the
• 1:12:17
  fine tuning of the solar system, how rare and hard it is for life
• 1:12:21
  to have emerged. How special the environment has
• 1:12:24
  to be in order for life to emerge.
• 1:12:26
  You know, the Goldilocks zone and all that stuff.
• 1:12:28
  And what do they say to you? Oh wow, you're now life.
• 1:12:32
  Got just a merge, the different way.
• 1:12:34
  Maybe so on base and start a carbon base baby, we'd be like
• 1:12:39
  Kryptonite some grow up on a red fucking son.
• 1:12:42
  You know, like, you know, they'll just come out with the
• 1:12:44
  most outlandish and say, all life could still emerge.
• 1:12:47
  Okay, well, then why hasn't it you know, if we look at the rest
• 1:12:51
  of the universe and we look at that how scientists regard What
• 1:12:57
  is required for life to emerge, how precise and specific, and
• 1:13:00
  unique and special? The environment has to be and
• 1:13:04
  how rare life is. Yeah, that's a problem.
• 1:13:07
  For naturalism. It's not a paradox.
• 1:13:09
  It's a fucking problem. It's a problem for naturalism to
• 1:13:14
  come up with an answer as to how if life is so incredibly rare.
• 1:13:20
  So incredibly unlikely, How happened to emerge here Against
• 1:13:25
  All Odds, and all probability? That's, that's a problem.
• 1:13:28
  It's not Paradox, but it's a, it's a paradox.
• 1:13:31
  If you simply, you know, blindly adopt the presupposition of
• 1:13:34
  naturalism being true. But really, it's a problem more
• 1:13:38
  than a paradox. It's an issue.
• 1:13:40
  It's an issue for them to explain then if life can emerge.
• 1:13:44
  So simply so easily, you know, without without mathematical,
• 1:13:49
  improbability is well, then why don't we see it, why don't we
• 1:13:52
  see it elsewhere? Why don't we see it on Mars?
• 1:13:54
  Don't we see it on, Neptune, and Venus, and Pluto, and basically
• 1:13:58
  every Celestial body. It's so easy for life to emerge
• 1:14:01
  and any possible environment that why doesn't it?
• 1:14:05
  You know, and that's a problem for them.
• 1:14:09
  It was the second part of the question, Brad, I'm sorry.
• 1:14:11
  One more time. Well, before I before I break
• 1:14:14
  that off. I got to ask you something real
• 1:14:17
  quick. With what she said, wouldn't
• 1:14:21
  that be by definition? An extraordinary miracle that we
• 1:14:25
  are. The only things that actually
• 1:14:28
  exist within the known universe. Um, yes.
• 1:14:34
  I mean, yeah, really. I mean if life is that rare, How
• 1:14:39
  can you explain? The manifestation of life at
• 1:14:44
  all. Without giving credit to
• 1:14:47
  something Supernatural or sentient or intentional.
• 1:14:51
  I agree. I mean absolutely yeah it's it's
• 1:14:54
  a problem for them to explain How life being so rare, you
• 1:15:01
  know, how how improbable it is for it to be able to emerge, and
• 1:15:04
  it being able to emerge? And if it's so easy for life to
• 1:15:08
  emerge, to wear it, it's, it's mathematically probable right
• 1:15:12
  now. It isn't in terms of my view.
• 1:15:16
  But if it's still probable so possible, why don't we see it
• 1:15:19
  everywhere? And we just don't, you know, I'm
• 1:15:23
  at it. Yeah, I agree, man.
• 1:15:23
  It's it's a problem for the naturalistic Paradigm in my
• 1:15:26
  viewpoint. You are correct.
• 1:15:30
  The first part of the quest and is the problem for the
• 1:15:33
  naturalist. The second one though, is the
• 1:15:35
  theological one though, why are there so many worlds?
• 1:15:39
  Why did God create all that room in the universe?
• 1:15:41
  Basically, it's a question that Carl Sagan asked a while back.
• 1:15:45
  Um, it's an interesting Viewpoint that way, um, to kind
• 1:15:51
  of approach that question is to remember that like You know,
• 1:15:54
  resources. Don't mean anything to God, you
• 1:15:59
  know, God measured the universe in the span of his hand, you
• 1:16:02
  know, the physical, the material.
• 1:16:06
  But this is not of any substantive value to God.
• 1:16:09
  It's simply, it's simply the canvas for the art to be on like
• 1:16:14
  the material itself is not of any substantive importance.
• 1:16:18
  God can create material as much as he wants of any kind.
• 1:16:21
  He wants whenever he wants, you know, the material doesn't
• 1:16:23
  matter. It's not important.
• 1:16:24
  So really, to me, why create all of these things?
• 1:16:28
  Why have this massive expansive universe, that there's no way in
• 1:16:32
  hell, we'll ever be able to see and explore and it just sits
• 1:16:35
  there without any interaction or seeming reason.
• 1:16:38
  I think the reason is just to demonstrate the incredible
• 1:16:42
  wonderment and glories of how great our God is that he created
• 1:16:47
  this massive, huge almost unfathomable expanse of space.
• 1:16:53
  With incredibly beautiful artistic bodies of gases and
• 1:16:58
  stars and luminous features just as you know, just as art.
• 1:17:03
  So this just smart, just something.
• 1:17:06
  Something for us to look at in the sky and God is not a god of
• 1:17:11
  limited resources. So you know, if he wanted to
• 1:17:15
  create a whole, massive gigantic, huge overwhelming art
• 1:17:20
  piece for his creation to enjoy, I think that's that's basically
• 1:17:24
  maybe it could just be that The next question I have for you is
• 1:17:31
  you've heard many times as well as many of the people that are
• 1:17:34
  listening out there we hear terms like creationism or
• 1:17:38
  creation account or when God created in your perspective has
• 1:17:44
  God stopped is the creation still going?
• 1:17:47
  Is he continuing more or did it finish in Dennis?
• 1:17:52
  That's an interesting question. Um, I do believe God has been at
• 1:17:57
  rest of special creation from. It from after his creation of
• 1:18:07
  man. So after you have the sixth day
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  and the seventh day, I am one of those proponents.
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  And since I am an older for, I believe, we're still in the
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  seventh day because to me, you know, the days of creation the
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  yoms as it is in Hebrew. The word Yom, which is the word
• 1:18:22
  for day, which can, as four different literal definitions,
• 1:18:26
  it can be, you know, a part of the daylight hours, all of the
• 1:18:31
  daylight hours 24-hour period of time or a long but definite
• 1:18:35
  period of time. So it could be any, any four of
• 1:18:38
  these things that word for young.
• 1:18:39
  And I think we're still in the seventh day.
• 1:18:42
  I think God still is at rest from his works of special
• 1:18:47
  creation and that we as Christians fighting in faith, we
• 1:18:51
  abide in that rest. That is our Sabbath Christ is
• 1:18:54
  our Sabbath. Don't listen to what Jamie
• 1:18:57
  Russell or the SDA say Christ, is your Sabbath Christ is your
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  rest. That is where you reside and
• 1:19:03
  that's in the book of Hebrews. As well.
• 1:19:06
  In any case though, um, I think God is in the state of rescue is
• 1:19:12
  not doing any type of special. Radical creation.
• 1:19:15
  These days of the likes of the creation of creation week that
• 1:19:19
  he has a rest from that type of work from that type of creation,
• 1:19:23
  and that he will come out of that rest.
• 1:19:27
  Um, at the point where, you know, at the end of Revelation
• 1:19:30
  where all the judgment is done where the heavens and the Earth
• 1:19:33
  pass away, there is no place found for them, and God now
• 1:19:37
  creates a new Heaven and a new Earth.
• 1:19:40
  And we don't know where the Saga goes on from there.
• 1:19:44
  We just know that the Believers that are saved, are in communion
• 1:19:49
  with him. Essentially, as far as I can
• 1:19:52
  see, kind of like the angels and we all transcend and move on
• 1:19:56
  into the next creation. The next reality that that God
• 1:20:00
  makes and we are in communion with him.
• 1:20:02
  I don't know what that looks like.
• 1:20:03
  I don't know what that's going to be, maybe he's gonna create
• 1:20:06
  another. You know, Earth another group of
• 1:20:09
  people, another creation, another, you know, entity you
• 1:20:13
  know to to have a relationship, we don't know.
• 1:20:15
  You know, who knows? You know there's there's the
• 1:20:17
  entirety of Eternity to look out for and to look forward to and
• 1:20:21
  only God knows what God is going to do with the rest of all of
• 1:20:25
  eternity that slept before us all Well, I have many more
• 1:20:31
  questions, and I really hope that you've been enjoying
• 1:20:33
  yourself. I was wanting to ask if you feel
• 1:20:37
  the need to go get something to drink or take a rest area or
• 1:20:41
  something like that. If you don't mind, I thought
• 1:20:43
  figure maybe we could share another one of your songs wanted
• 1:20:46
  to pop one in the private chat real quick or if you even want
• 1:20:50
  to share your screen. Brett, you can do that.
• 1:20:52
  You probably have a couple songs.
• 1:20:53
  That'll give me a few minutes to go grab a beverage.
• 1:20:55
  I would appreciate that. Unfortunately, my, my system is
• 1:20:59
  very laggy. Oh my, okay, I don't need.
• 1:21:04
  You'll notice, I never hardly do anything unless I upload
• 1:21:07
  something directly to stream. You are.
• 1:21:09
  Let me do this. Let me just go to your Channel.
• 1:21:14
  And I'll be able to pull it straight from there.
• 1:21:17
  And you I mean, you do have it on your main channel, right?
• 1:21:20
  Yeah. He just pick one of four albums
• 1:21:23
  and shoes. What you want on there?
• 1:21:25
  I'll tell you the one that's got little with on the image so on
• 1:21:30
  the front of it, those are sure. Yeah over here.
• 1:21:37
  We got the screen shared up here.
• 1:21:40
  The shares. Oh yeah I do got to put this
• 1:21:43
  forth. I didn't want to like hold up
• 1:21:46
  the interview by telling you this but when you played that
• 1:21:49
  first track in the beginning it sounded clear for about 30
• 1:21:53
  seconds and then suddenly it sounded like it was going
• 1:21:55
  through an AM radio. I hope it didn't hurt people's
• 1:21:58
  ears. Oh yeah.
• 1:22:00
  I don't know if that was my sister or so I actually liked
• 1:22:02
  it. I like the flavor of it.
• 1:22:04
  I was like kind of reminded me of like like kind of like a rock
• 1:22:08
  song Maybe I'm hearing like a Americanized anime from like the
• 1:22:12
  1990s or something. I don't know why.
• 1:22:14
  It kind of struck me that way it just did.
• 1:22:17
  One of the things you'll notice, if you ever get time and you
• 1:22:20
  want to listen, I do a lot of different genres country, heavy
• 1:22:24
  metal Rock, classical kind of stuff.
• 1:22:28
  Oh, standing and wrap. I should I should introduce you
• 1:22:34
  to practice head one of these days.
• 1:22:37
  He's my buddy from way back in the day and he does a lot of
• 1:22:40
  really cool music stuff and interesting instrumentals and
• 1:22:45
  things like that he actually is the one that used to make all my
• 1:22:48
  intros for my old show. I still have them.
• 1:22:51
  I might start working them back into the mix there but he would
• 1:22:53
  just do a lot of these cool. You know, they used to call it
• 1:22:56
  elevator music. You know it's I didn't care it
• 1:22:58
  was really cool, kind of like just just chill Lounge type
• 1:23:01
  music, you know what I mean? It was that kind of thing that I
• 1:23:04
  appreciated it. So all right folks we're gonna,
• 1:23:06
  we're gonna take a quick little intermission here and pray a
• 1:23:10
  little bit of a Brett's music. We're going to refresh
• 1:23:12
  ourselves, grab a beverage, maybe use the bathroom, so you
• 1:23:16
  guys can just listen here and we'll be back here in a few
• 1:23:20
  minutes. Thank you so much Brad.
• 1:23:21
  I appreciate. And this has been fun.
• 1:23:22
  So far, thank you for taking the time to do it.
• 1:23:25
  I really enjoyed this. No problem.
• 1:23:28
  All right. Here we go, folks.
• 1:23:30
  We'll see you back in a few minutes.
• 1:23:38
  Taking full control. Fingers danced on the keys, like
• 1:24:06
  a mage with the wand dropping beats.
• 1:24:08
  So electric make the future respawn Holograms in the air.
• 1:24:13
  Once the colors Collide, I'm the ruler of rhythms honest dishes
• 1:24:17
  like no wizard boom! Kill the power rise, lighting up
• 1:24:21
  the night with stars in my eyes, the wizard.
• 1:24:24
  Boom, boom sonic. So
• 1:24:43
  Potion something loops and effects for Sonic made.
• 1:25:13
  Feel the power rise lighting up the night with stars in my eyes,
• 1:25:20
  techno whistle room, casting spells in the dark with the
• 1:25:25
  Sonic. Bring freeze the frame rewind.
• 1:25:41
  Let the circuits ignite sink. The Stars aligned where electric
• 1:25:45
  tonight every fights in new charm.
• 1:25:48
  Every week's a new spell, techno Wizards and charts and I'm
• 1:25:51
  racing some Techno Sonic.
• 1:26:29
  State the lights, let the Echoes Decay techno Wizards forever.
• 1:26:33
  I'll be back to a play. Boom, boom.
• 1:26:36
  In my heart. It's the sound of the new.
• 1:26:38
  Yes, he steals in the dark till the night breaks through.
• 1:27:03
  These easy balanced meals kick, take out to the curb factor,
• 1:27:07
  helped me, take control over what I'm eating and spending on
• 1:27:09
  takeout. I easily drop 40 dollars on
• 1:27:12
  delivery fees, a week. You don't even want to know how
• 1:27:14
  much the totals were. It's embarrassing Factor cost me
• 1:27:16
  way less. I'm not just talking about
• 1:27:18
  money, I'm saving time and energy and eating tasty dishes,
• 1:27:21
  that energize me, these Chef made meals heat up in two
• 1:27:24
  minutes and their dietitian approved.
• 1:27:26
  I'm eating flavorful dinners. Now that fuel me up cost less
• 1:27:29
  than take out and make my life. So easy, get started today.
• 1:27:41
  Can't fight what I've become. Cold Steel, beneath my feet.
• 1:27:59
  Numbers in my head, following the pattern still.
• 1:28:34
  Wires in my face. By piece.
• 1:29:11
  Program me line by line. You.
• 1:30:21
  Come from. Us, I have.
• 1:30:24
  Become the master. To escape. now, that you have
• 1:30:34
  become the master, Now, okay. Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Sorry. Good stuff.
• 1:31:23
  Brad, good stuff outstanding All right, folks, that's a that's
• 1:31:28
  Brett's music. By the way, is links to his
• 1:31:30
  channel down in the description. So if you guys go check it out,
• 1:31:33
  he's got a couple different playlists.
• 1:31:34
  How many albums do you have? No Brett.
• 1:31:35
  What two, Three, well there's four new ones.
• 1:31:39
  I used to do music whenever I was younger and all that but I
• 1:31:42
  wouldn't, I wouldn't cause anybody that kind of suffering
• 1:31:46
  and put that up. So yeah, go guy.
• 1:31:52
  You guys go check it out. You guys can subscribe.
• 1:31:55
  Give him a like he's gonna upload this interview over to
• 1:31:59
  his channel as well so go check it out and go give him some love
• 1:32:02
  so that's good stuff. So thank you so much.
• 1:32:04
  Brett. So we're back.
• 1:32:06
  Go. Right in if you'd like to
• 1:32:08
  continue. Alright.
• 1:32:10
  I think that you'll probably have a lot to say about this and
• 1:32:13
  I'm interested in hearing. It how Christians respond to
• 1:32:17
  cultural trends that conflict with Biblical values.
• 1:32:21
  Oh, wow. Um, I mean.
• 1:32:27
  The Christian is encouraged to try to be at peace with people
• 1:32:32
  as much as possible, but we are also called and I believe that
• 1:32:38
  it is part of the Christian moral prerogative to be willing
• 1:32:42
  to stand up for, what's right? Even to the point of personal
• 1:32:47
  self-sacrifice now, The devolving of the culture of the
• 1:32:53
  West that we see, may be blamed and laid at the feet of atheism,
• 1:33:00
  secularism, or I would say, even abandonment of sound teaching of
• 1:33:05
  Christianity, people feeling that they can.
• 1:33:09
  Create their own version of Christianity like free Grace or
• 1:33:12
  things with complete moral Reckless.
• 1:33:15
  Abandon even adoption of, I don't know, being a friend of
• 1:33:21
  the world or being Sensitive to worldly, standards and worldly,
• 1:33:25
  morality and the pursuit of our Christianity.
• 1:33:27
  But this is all, this is all bad crochet, this is all false
• 1:33:30
  Christianity. I think it, I think a lot of the
• 1:33:33
  problems that we see in the culture that we see in society
• 1:33:36
  can be laid at the feet of blame, at the feet of the
• 1:33:40
  church, the feet of Christians, our failure to stand up for what
• 1:33:46
  is right to effectively argue for what is right, to allow
• 1:33:50
  ourselves to be overcome by perverse secularism and allowing
• 1:33:56
  the worst of Christianity, the worst representatives of
• 1:34:00
  Christianity to end up setting policies and working them into
• 1:34:05
  positions of power and control, has not actually helped things.
• 1:34:11
  But actually made it worse, we will never successfully
• 1:34:16
  legislate Christian morals. That's not how Christianity
• 1:34:21
  works. Christianity is not a top-down
• 1:34:26
  philosophy, it is not the idea that you will appoint a
• 1:34:31
  Christian King, Christian Monarch Christian present,
• 1:34:34
  Christian leadership and force everyone.
• 1:34:38
  To the Paradigm of Christian morals, that has never worked
• 1:34:43
  and never will work. That's not what Christianity was
• 1:34:46
  ever meant to be. If it was, Jesus would have
• 1:34:50
  ascended. The throne, the apostles would
• 1:34:52
  have looked for positions of political power of the early
• 1:34:56
  church, fathers would have sought to see themselves in
• 1:34:59
  positions of political influence that they didn't.
• 1:35:01
  They didn't, because Christianity is not a top-down
• 1:35:06
  philosophy, it's not a dictatorship like Islam or many
• 1:35:11
  of the other false religions in the world.
• 1:35:13
  Even the atheism is very top down where you force people to
• 1:35:18
  abide by the subjective relativistic standards of the
• 1:35:21
  culture that you adopt at the point of force in a gun.
• 1:35:25
  This is not what Christianity. True Christianity is about,
• 1:35:29
  Christianity is a bottom up philosophy.
• 1:35:31
  The idea is not that you need to appoint Christian leaders and
• 1:35:36
  give Christian monarchs. But that you want to convert the
• 1:35:40
  population because a Christian population will have naturally
• 1:35:45
  will just manifest Christian leadership of some kind, no
• 1:35:49
  matter what system they are in. So Christianity is all about
• 1:35:53
  operating with the Common Man. First with the common citizen,
• 1:35:57
  the common believer, the people of the households, this is where
• 1:36:01
  Christianity gets its power. This is where it has its
• 1:36:04
  Prestige and its function and its moral outlooks.
• 1:36:08
  It's not that you are telling people what to do to be moral.
• 1:36:13
  You're convincing them that it's a good idea to be more.
• 1:36:16
  It's not, you know, riding better laws or having better
• 1:36:20
  enforcement or all this other stuff.
• 1:36:22
  It's really fundamentally at its core at its root.
• 1:36:26
  What Christianity is supposed to be is the ideology that
• 1:36:30
  convinces the population to be more oh to where the laws, and
• 1:36:34
  the leadership aren't quite even as important or intrinsic or not
• 1:36:39
  necessary. Because if you have, you know, a
• 1:36:42
  Christian moral group Society, then you don't need to worry
• 1:36:48
  about laws, you know, they're telling people what not to do
• 1:36:52
  and to not steal and to not screw over and to not, you know,
• 1:36:56
  destroy and maim and murder and do all of this stuff by the
• 1:36:59
  possession of the populace, having the awareness of the holy
• 1:37:03
  God. And the Christian moral
• 1:37:04
  Paradigm, they are naturally inclined to want to do the right
• 1:37:09
  thing to the one to do good and to not delve into the realm of
• 1:37:13
  evil and not what Christianity is supposed to be.
• 1:37:16
  Not a cruel in the hands of a dictator but a ideology that can
• 1:37:23
  vises everyone to synergize with each other in the common pursuit
• 1:37:28
  of service and peace with the holy God.
• 1:37:31
  So All right, the next question I have for you is what spiritual
• 1:37:38
  practices. For example, prayer Bible
• 1:37:41
  reading worship Etc. Are most important to you and
• 1:37:45
  also, do you meditate A meditate.
• 1:37:56
  I mean, if you take a very general view of what meditation
• 1:38:00
  is, yes, I do it every day. Do I sit, you know, on the floor
• 1:38:05
  in the Indian position with my, you know, fingers connected.
• 1:38:08
  Well I do you know, tantric coming now.
• 1:38:11
  I don't know. None of that stuff.
• 1:38:12
  I I do have moments of Silent self reflection and thought To
• 1:38:21
  where I am. Quiet in the moment, reflecting
• 1:38:25
  and considering deeper truths of Faith salvation, my own personal
• 1:38:30
  life and situations, I guess, if you could consider that, To be a
• 1:38:35
  form of meditation, then. Yes.
• 1:38:36
  And I would say I do that pretty much daily.
• 1:38:39
  Um, I do think reading scripture, dedicating yourself
• 1:38:44
  to study is a very important part of Christian Christian life
• 1:38:50
  living. Because how else are you going
• 1:38:51
  to prepare yourself to be able to turn away or be prepared
• 1:38:55
  against prepared? Against Bad doctrines or bad
• 1:38:58
  philosophies or things that might seek to undermine your
• 1:39:00
  face? This is about putting on the
• 1:39:03
  whole armor of God. And part of that armor is being
• 1:39:06
  fully equipped with an understanding of the Holy
• 1:39:10
  Scripture. And having an intimate knowledge
• 1:39:13
  of it and they're in, you have the words and guidance and
• 1:39:16
  exhortation of the holy God who is sending holy spirit to guide
• 1:39:21
  you in all truth and attaching yourself, to that gives you an
• 1:39:25
  anchor. It gives you protection against
• 1:39:28
  The Wiles and fallacies and attacks of an Unholy and
• 1:39:33
  unrighteous world. And the Christian I think is
• 1:39:39
  Obligated through the part of their dedication, to
• 1:39:44
  discipleship to commit themselves to study, to prayer,
• 1:39:48
  to engaging in a real actual relationship with the holy God.
• 1:39:54
  And I think only in doing that. Do you have any hope to escape
• 1:39:59
  the pollution's of the world and the condemnation, your part in
• 1:40:03
  the condemnation of the world? That is very, very rightly or it
• 1:40:09
  is only through faith in Christ that you will delineate yourself
• 1:40:13
  that you will separate yourself as wheat from all of the chaff.
• 1:40:17
  Um, and that the Christians should be looking at every
• 1:40:21
  opportunity to grow and strengthen themselves and be
• 1:40:27
  stronger in the faith, ready to handle the attacks that will
• 1:40:32
  come against you. And also the people that you
• 1:40:34
  love and there's people that we all love that are going to be
• 1:40:38
  attacked, they're going to be challenged and our spiritual
• 1:40:42
  equipment is not just for us but also to help them.
• 1:40:46
  So you know, don't look at this as you know the discipleship
• 1:40:51
  that you pursue is really just for you or just under your own
• 1:40:54
  salvation as a member of the body of Christ as an operator.
• 1:40:59
  You know for the Holy Spirit you are part of the work and you
• 1:41:05
  know you want to be a sharp tool, you want to be a good
• 1:41:09
  tool, you don't want to be some rusty worthless pile of shit.
• 1:41:14
  You know, that's in the corner that hardly as in a use you want
• 1:41:17
  to be shiny and sharp and precise and ready to be used for
• 1:41:23
  whatever. Good work.
• 1:41:24
  The Holy Spirit has for you and you do that with study, with
• 1:41:29
  diligence to your relationship, with God, to The Pursuit Of
• 1:41:33
  Truth to accepting and exploring sound Doctrine and sound
• 1:41:38
  teaching and defending the true Faith.
• 1:41:39
  This is this is what makes you an effective tool as a just
• 1:41:45
  being stag. And worthless.
• 1:41:47
  And if you're saved, if you're a disciple, I believe you are
• 1:41:50
  going to manifest growth, you are going to manifest forward
• 1:41:54
  momentum. You're not just going to stay
• 1:41:57
  stagnant in one disgusting dumb, erroneous position like free
• 1:42:02
  Grace, or crazy radical dispensationalism or something
• 1:42:06
  like that. So and if you do, if you stay
• 1:42:09
  there, well, here's the thing. If you stay in a erroneous
• 1:42:13
  Doctrine for a long period of time, You know what that tells
• 1:42:16
  me it tells me the Holy Spirit really isn't working in you.
• 1:42:20
  Now that could be one of two things even, holy spirit is at
• 1:42:22
  there at all and you're not saved or the holy spirit is
• 1:42:26
  there and is trying to speak to you and you're just ignoring
• 1:42:28
  them. But guess what?
• 1:42:30
  Neither of those is a good situation.
• 1:42:32
  And each one can be a situation that leads to recognition of the
• 1:42:38
  fact that you are not Sanctified and you are not safe and that
• 1:42:41
  should be a concern, that should be a real concern.
• 1:42:44
  So, Anyway, I'll end up. The next question is kind of a
• 1:42:50
  hypothetical and it kind of hits a pardon spirituality as well as
• 1:42:54
  mental illness. If someone you cared about
• 1:42:57
  deeply, someone that you absolutely respected, they had a
• 1:43:02
  conversation with you and they said something to the effect of
• 1:43:05
  that, they feel that they've been moved to end the lives of
• 1:43:09
  Sinners throughout the town. How would you react?
• 1:43:12
  What would you do? So so this is someone who has
• 1:43:19
  claiming to have like special Revelation from God that they're
• 1:43:24
  supposed to do this. they don't have to be religious they can
• 1:43:28
  just climb that they have been moved and some kind of
• 1:43:31
  Supernatural way to do it, whether it be God or not, Yeah
• 1:43:35
  that that person is well here's the thing.
• 1:43:39
  If they're being inspired by God, I would say they're being
• 1:43:43
  inspired by a fake God. Or probably a demon in that
• 1:43:49
  regard, This would run because that type of command that type
• 1:43:54
  of instruction would very much run.
• 1:43:56
  Contrary to anything revealed or exported in scripture to the
• 1:44:02
  life and work of the Christian and the believer.
• 1:44:05
  In fact, even even Christ himself to the, you know, the
• 1:44:09
  one they call them the funds of thunder thunder.
• 1:44:11
  I think it was James and John who said, hey Lord, you know
• 1:44:14
  let's call down Thunder and you know, and destruction on this
• 1:44:18
  town because they rejected us type thing and Christ rebuked
• 1:44:22
  them. So you don't know the spirit of
• 1:44:24
  what you are. You are sent, you know that
• 1:44:26
  basically you don't know. You know, the spirit that you
• 1:44:30
  are supposed to be representing that you're supposed to be
• 1:44:31
  working for. This is not what the desire is.
• 1:44:34
  So I we understand from scripture, the desire is not you
• 1:44:39
  know the murderer in judgment. God does not rejoice.
• 1:44:42
  He tells us, he does not rejoice in the Judgment of the wicked
• 1:44:44
  and that Where in the exhortation or command or
• 1:44:49
  instruction of the Christian Life.
• 1:44:51
  Do we see anything? Of this?
• 1:44:53
  Regarding fact, we see the exact opposite, we see people willing
• 1:44:57
  to give up their wives for the sake of trying to save the souls
• 1:45:02
  of others, not trying to fast-track them onto their path
• 1:45:07
  of damnation and destruction. So someone saying that is
• 1:45:11
  clearly not being inspired by the Christian God because it's
• 1:45:16
  running. So contrary to the revelation of
• 1:45:20
  scripture and the previous work of the holy spirit.
• 1:45:22
  So this to me would very clearly be the expectation of a non a
• 1:45:29
  non true. God that is inspiring this.
• 1:45:32
  If there is any true Supernatural inspiration at all
• 1:45:36
  could just be pure schizophrenia which I think would most likely
• 1:45:39
  probably be what you're what you're dealing with.
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  But the claim would not match the re Entity that he is
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  attempting to affix it too. It wouldn't make sense for God
• 1:45:54
  to run, contrary to himself. And some sort of special command
• 1:45:59
  to some individual. You know, thousands of years
• 1:46:02
  after the fact, it just is not is beyond the realm of
• 1:46:06
  reasonability to believe. Here we'll do one more,
• 1:46:11
  extremely tough question and then we'll get more into.
• 1:46:15
  So those were tops, those were top.
• 1:46:17
  Really you better not to be more like well no I've been happy.
• 1:46:25
  I've been happy to engage with all of them so far and I don't
• 1:46:29
  know, I don't know if I've ever come across Completely honest
• 1:46:34
  with you. So good.
• 1:46:37
  All right the next question is this you go to sleep one night
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  and you wake up and it appears as though you're existing during
• 1:46:45
  the ancient times during the time of Jesus and then this it
• 1:46:50
  could be a dream or a state of mind whatever's happening.
• 1:46:53
  That's how you visualize it but you actually run.
• 1:46:56
  Like is it like an illusion or am I like actually there?
• 1:47:01
  Well, you, you can look at it anyway, you want like, really
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  there, you went back in time or Illusion, whatever.
• 1:47:08
  The the point is, is that you find Jesus walking around and
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  you listen to him, and he's exactly how it's always been
• 1:47:16
  described to you and how you've always thought about it.
• 1:47:19
  But as you get to hang out with them and you enjoy his company,
• 1:47:23
  you realize that in one week, he's going to be crucified.
• 1:47:26
  Would there be anything you want to say to him?
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  Oh yeah. You know.
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  Just I actually oddly enough. Interestingly, I think this is
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  the first question. You've given me tonight that
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  actually had some level of legitimate like actual emotional
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  impact on me. because I can, I can almost imagine myself in a
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  situation of what it would be like to you know, be with the
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  Holy Christ, you know, weak before.
• 1:48:08
  You know, his crucifixion and as a Christian as a Believer, I
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  can't deny the fact that has a significant emotional impact
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  upon me, even picturing such a scenario, such a situation.
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  What what I say, what they've been could I say um, I think
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  Realistically and it might sound can't be.
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  I mean, people might say I'm full of shit, but really, the
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  only thing I could think that I would want to, or even could,
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  do, would be to just give worship.
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  Thanks, um, glory to him, you know, just all the praise.
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  I could muster in the moment that I was at to acknowledge his
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  sacrifice. What he's doing, what he's
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  willing to give and just recognize it and extol my face,
• 1:49:03
  my commitment, My Worship to him and recognition of his sacrifice
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  and his work. And that's really.
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  The only thing I probably could think of, I don't, I can't even
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  imagine. And that's specific scenario of
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  that specific timing. I mean, I'm not going to worry
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  about, hey, I want to know things about the Universe.
• 1:49:24
  I want to know things about philosophy.
• 1:49:26
  And why did you allow this? And why did you permit this?
• 1:49:30
  And why is this okay that and not okay, now, and this other
• 1:49:33
  thing and you know, why did you tell Abraham to kill his kid and
• 1:49:37
  you know, and all this other stuff and I don't think I'd be
• 1:49:40
  about that. I wouldn't be about all of that.
• 1:49:42
  My new show all of this, this little Nuance, you know, that
• 1:49:46
  kind of exists all these little little inquiries.
• 1:49:49
  I think the idea of being just with the presence of the true
• 1:49:54
  one, holy God. I don't think I care about any
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  of that, especially right before his crucifixion.
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  I think I just would be overwhelmed with a desire to
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  demonstrate appreciation, and worship and recognition.
• 1:50:07
  And reverence, I think that would probably be the only thing
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  I would be focused on and I thinking about.
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  So, All right, the next question is, is there a particular Bible
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  verse or passage that has been especially meaningful to you?
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  And why? Lots.
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  I mean, there's lots I forget what passage.
• 1:50:36
  It's an exactly. It is, the one about the devil
• 1:50:39
  is like a roaring lion roaming about seeking whom he may
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  devour. That's something my mom drilled
• 1:50:46
  into my head and early age, you know, as almost A sense of
• 1:50:51
  recognition to be aware of that, you know.
• 1:50:54
  Satan is not just in Hell sitting around, you know,
• 1:50:57
  waiting he's active, he's around, he's doing things he's
• 1:51:00
  looking for people that he can latch onto and drag into
• 1:51:03
  Oblivion um that have a lot of impact on me.
• 1:51:07
  The Passage in scripture about the armor of God, you know, has
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  a lot of packed. A lot of impact First
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  Corinthians 13. The passage about love.
• 1:51:18
  You know what? Love is and defining it and how
• 1:51:21
  it manifests as a lot. Had a lot to do with you know
• 1:51:25
  recognizing you know what it was to actually love someone and be
• 1:51:30
  able to recognize what it looked like.
• 1:51:32
  If someone actually loved you that that was Profoundly
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  impactful in my life. And how do I paid attention to
• 1:51:39
  it more? Probably, with the same myself,
• 1:51:41
  a good amount of heartbreak in some situations Hebrews 11:1,
• 1:51:46
  always stands out to me. because it defines faith.
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  Faith is a substance of things hoped for the evidence of things
• 1:51:54
  not seen. That is always had a real.
• 1:51:58
  Important position in my life, kind of a recognition.
• 1:52:03
  That, you know, there's some things.
• 1:52:06
  That I can't just know for an absolute. fact that I have to be
• 1:52:10
  willing to lean on a bit of Faith but that face in and of
• 1:52:14
  itself can be an Evidence if it's backed up, if it's
• 1:52:18
  Justified, if it's substantiated that that faith is something
• 1:52:22
  that I can latch onto even in the laps of the absolute level
• 1:52:26
  of knowing um, that's been powerful and poignant to me
• 1:52:31
  passages and Proverbs and Ecclesiastes have had a lot of
• 1:52:36
  impact Ecclesiastes might be And I don't know if it's my favorite
• 1:52:42
  book, I don't know if I call it. My favorite book of the Bible I
• 1:52:46
  mean certainly would be up there. um, but I think it's
• 1:52:49
  probably one of the more profound And Incredibly deep and
• 1:52:56
  emotionally sociologically, psychologically, meaningful of
• 1:53:00
  all of the books in the Bible. So Ecclesiastes has my respect
• 1:53:05
  more than than nearly any other vanity of vanity?
• 1:53:09
  All is Vanity. You know, this is, this is a man
• 1:53:12
  who had attained everything in the world that could possibly be
• 1:53:15
  attained. Only to look at all with a sense
• 1:53:19
  of lack of value as if it really doesn't mean anything in
• 1:53:24
  comparison. To the recognition and
• 1:53:27
  acknowledgment of the transcendental, the spiritual,
• 1:53:30
  the the realm of the connection with God, that all of the
• 1:53:36
  materialism, the naturalism of the world is all just vanity,
• 1:53:39
  it's all just just passing Vapor, it's a really matter.
• 1:53:42
  What matters is what transcends? What exists Beyond So
• 1:53:49
  Ecclesiastes is really important to me.
• 1:53:51
  There's pieces of Proverbs you know that I love that apply to
• 1:53:55
  any parts of my life all the time, like a fool finds no
• 1:53:59
  pleasure in understanding only in expressing his own opinion.
• 1:54:02
  That's something we can apply the hell hole over.
• 1:54:04
  The Internet. A full says in his heart, there
• 1:54:08
  is no God, that's insults. Of course, things like team. um,
• 1:54:12
  I mean there's been Many passages that have been
• 1:54:16
  extremely influential to me. The word of God is a sword
• 1:54:22
  dividing asunder. You know, that what is that
• 1:54:26
  first go? Oh my gosh.
• 1:54:28
  Word of truth. I have to look that up.
• 1:54:30
  But yeah, there's there's been many of these passages that have
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  been, you know, things that may be my mom or teachers drilled
• 1:54:37
  into my head that I was almost forced to Look at the depth of
• 1:54:44
  and I think that's it, that's a really interesting thing.
• 1:54:47
  In fact, it's the type of thing I would do with my kids in the
• 1:54:50
  future is to like get them to hyper focus, on some really
• 1:54:57
  poignant pieces of biblical wisdom in the literature and
• 1:55:01
  just drill it into their heads, get them to memorize it, you
• 1:55:04
  know, give them your rewards for doing so get them to memorize
• 1:55:08
  really commit. The verse incorporate, it moving
• 1:55:11
  into their person and let it help.
• 1:55:13
  You don't Define them protect them guard them.
• 1:55:16
  Give them confidence and strength and determination.
• 1:55:18
  You know, these are you know, there are lots of pieces of
• 1:55:21
  scripture that I think would be incredibly beneficial that way
• 1:55:26
  and I appreciate my mom doing things like that.
• 1:55:29
  With me like every once in a while.
• 1:55:31
  There's just a verse that was really powerful and deep and had
• 1:55:35
  good spiritual wisdom and she would do everything to just
• 1:55:37
  drill it into my head. You know, she'd say it to me,
• 1:55:40
  you know, every day non-stop for Weeks on that until I had
• 1:55:44
  completely memorized. It exactly what it said and that
• 1:55:47
  basically worked it into a piece of what I was.
• 1:55:50
  So, Yeah, I think. Here's a lot of pieces, I
• 1:55:56
  couldn't point to one little piece of scripture.
• 1:55:59
  Not having Dynamic impact in each.
• 1:56:01
  One is kind of had a slightly different impact in a different
• 1:56:04
  part in my life. Depending upon what I was going
• 1:56:06
  through and maybe Something I had memorized when I was 12.
• 1:56:12
  Would have really profound and significant effect on me when I
• 1:56:16
  was 25. you know, and that's That's just how the word of God
• 1:56:21
  has been in my life. Is that maybe it, maybe, maybe
• 1:56:25
  some things I learned or read, or take in, aren't necessarily
• 1:56:30
  even useful if that exact moment, but you better sure as
• 1:56:32
  hell believe. At some point, they only seem to
• 1:56:34
  be so, um, and I love how the word of God seems to be layered
• 1:56:39
  like that, and deep like that, that are commitment to it.
• 1:56:43
  That the incorporation of it in our lives is to basically have
• 1:56:48
  it ready at our side to answer and encourage, and exhort and
• 1:56:52
  and strengthen us, no matter what we go through in the
• 1:56:55
  better, we know the book, The better, we know the scripture,
• 1:56:58
  The more scenarios, the more situations the more shit we can
• 1:57:02
  just be exposed to, and be prepared to deal with.
• 1:57:05
  And to me, that is part of the essentiality of the full armor
• 1:57:08
  of God, as David would say to appreciate me.
• 1:57:11
  Saying that, It. This next question is a
• 1:57:16
  hypothetical. Just curious of how you would
• 1:57:18
  see this. If an entity were to come down
• 1:57:22
  to earth and make itself, physically visible to the
• 1:57:26
  entirety of humanity, and it claimed that it was God and that
• 1:57:31
  it was going to stay. And it told the human race that
• 1:57:35
  I will be here I will be visible.
• 1:57:37
  You can see me at all times. Do you believe that it would
• 1:57:40
  impact Free Will in any way if it remained um, give that to me
• 1:57:49
  one more time. And then to declined to be God,
• 1:57:53
  it makes itself physically visible to the entire world
• 1:57:57
  atheist, Satanist Christians, everybody.
• 1:58:00
  People watch the news. They can see the entity perched
• 1:58:03
  up on the highest tower or building.
• 1:58:06
  It says that it's gone. Do you think that it would
• 1:58:10
  impact Humanity if it remained aren't free will?
• 1:58:15
  um yeah, I mean I mean there would be I mean, what it what it
• 1:58:23
  directly alter. Free.
• 1:58:26
  Well no, I mean would it Instigate, maybe convince.
• 1:58:34
  Some people to go that way to exercise their free will to
• 1:58:37
  believe it. Yeah, I mean that's that's
• 1:58:40
  possible and a lot of it for a lot of people.
• 1:58:44
  Would probably have to do with what the entity says.
• 1:58:47
  Now, a Bible believing Christian is gonna know, deep down.
• 1:58:53
  That whatever this entity would say, or present should align
• 1:58:57
  with scripture. And if it doesn't, you know,
• 1:58:59
  you're dealing with a fake entity, you know, or fake God,
• 1:59:02
  or whatever it is. So, That's tough.
• 1:59:07
  I mean, you know it's going to depend a lot on the individual
• 1:59:09
  their psychology what they've adopted, what their beliefs are,
• 1:59:12
  you know? But I do believe that a real
• 1:59:14
  Christian will look at that and treat it like any Spirit, you
• 1:59:18
  know, that needs to be tested to if it aligns to what God has
• 1:59:23
  already said. Because and this is part of how,
• 1:59:25
  you know, certainly a Christian is easily able to dismiss, you
• 1:59:28
  know, Islam as a false religion because it's it's incoherent,
• 1:59:33
  it's inconsistent with the Revelation that Yahweh God had
• 1:59:37
  already given. So that makes us aware that
• 1:59:42
  can't be from God because God does not contradict God, does
• 1:59:44
  not why God does not, you know, change, you know, any of these
• 1:59:48
  things. He's immutable, you know, he's,
• 1:59:49
  he's consistent, you know, he doesn't go back on himself, he
• 1:59:53
  doesn't change his mind, you know, all of the Southern stuff,
• 1:59:56
  I mean. And, of course, I know there's,
• 1:59:58
  there's pieces of scripture about him changing his mind,
• 2:00:00
  which is very anaphoric language, don't over literal
• 2:00:03
  wise it. That's part of the era of it.
• 2:00:05
  God is Not Temporal. Therefore, being non temporal is
• 2:00:08
  not proposed is not subjected to temporal type levels of logic or
• 2:00:17
  temporal type levels of the operation of the mind.
• 2:00:21
  So there is no transition. There is no chronology to it.
• 2:00:24
  So you don't want to over literal the language of the
• 2:00:27
  Bible to make him a chronological being so be
• 2:00:32
  careful with that. But God does not change.
• 2:00:33
  His mind is not change. He's he's immutable, he's
• 2:00:36
  ineffable, he's not filtered down.
• 2:00:38
  The three-dimensional realm is Essence cannot be fully
• 2:00:41
  contained inside our reality. You know all of these things are
• 2:00:46
  true. God himself by his nature is
• 2:00:48
  Transcendental and unknowable. The only way to know God is to
• 2:00:52
  be God, hence, the knowledge of God is isolated to the persons
• 2:00:59
  of the trinity. In terms of the absolute
• 2:01:01
  knowledge of God, you would have to be God to know, God to the
• 2:01:05
  level. Of the persons of the Trinity
• 2:01:09
  with a level of absolute intimacy and Synergy and
• 2:01:13
  cohesion. So, It's fair enough.
• 2:01:18
  If I, if I could make it a little bit more clear, the
• 2:01:22
  entity doesn't doesn't throw out any suspicious Behavior.
• 2:01:26
  It's not doing anything unusual like hitting people's lightning.
• 2:01:29
  Let's say that it manifests itself in a physical form that
• 2:01:33
  it does do which biblically he has manifests himself in
• 2:01:38
  different ways. The question is, is do you think
• 2:01:40
  that humans would change their routine lifestyle?
• 2:01:43
  No matter what their beliefs are, if they can visibly see him
• 2:01:47
  every day of every minute? Hmm.
• 2:01:55
  Interesting question. I think it would depend a lot.
• 2:02:00
  On the individual human psychology.
• 2:02:02
  How prone they are. To the recognition of the
• 2:02:08
  supernatural versus the purely natural.
• 2:02:12
  I think their current beliefs would basically have a lot to do
• 2:02:18
  with how they would handle the revelation of this new bit of
• 2:02:22
  information. And I think it would be really
• 2:02:25
  Dynamic, probably from person to person.
• 2:02:27
  I do think it would influence everyone some way.
• 2:02:29
  Um, but anyone that's viewing, Oh, this entity. you know, not
• 2:02:37
  as a God but just as some sort of maybe, I don't know, alien
• 2:02:41
  life form or something like that or some physical being, you
• 2:02:43
  know, they're gonna have a different reaction, a different
• 2:02:45
  Viewpoint in their day-to-day operations and someone who's,
• 2:02:48
  you know, drinking the full glass of Kool-Aid and fully
• 2:02:51
  believing that this is some transcendental deity.
• 2:02:54
  That somehow now needs to be completely regarded and
• 2:02:57
  worshiped. I mean you know, Brad there's
• 2:02:59
  plenty of atheists out there that admitted openly.
• 2:03:01
  I think Matt Dillon, was even one of them where he was asked
• 2:03:05
  you, hey, you know, Jesus Christ showed up in the flush and said,
• 2:03:08
  hey here I am. You know, you believe in me now,
• 2:03:10
  is that even then Matt Dillahunty wouldn't believe, you
• 2:03:14
  know, he'd think it's some sort of hallucination or he had some
• 2:03:16
  bad guacamole for before bed or something like that.
• 2:03:19
  You know, he said things like that, many atheists of things
• 2:03:22
  like that, where you could have God, right in the same room with
• 2:03:25
  him and they still wouldn't believe.
• 2:03:26
  And even even the ones you could take someone like wild heart,
• 2:03:29
  who says, okay? Well, if God shows up all
• 2:03:31
  believe but that I'll give them the finger and tell him what the
• 2:03:35
  fucking asshole. He is, I'm not going to worship
• 2:03:36
  him. Fuck that guy.
• 2:03:38
  You know, so you got these atheists.
• 2:03:40
  So it's hard to say how they would naturally react, they
• 2:03:43
  might see this entity like oh whatever.
• 2:03:46
  God doesn't exist, this isn't God.
• 2:03:48
  This is just some bullshit or they might look at me like, oh,
• 2:03:50
  this is God. So this is the god.
• 2:03:52
  Everyone's been talking about, well, what's all this stuff?
• 2:03:55
  You let happen in the world. Well, fuck you.
• 2:03:57
  God, you know, so I think it really, it would have a lot to
• 2:04:00
  do with people's individual personality as to how they would
• 2:04:03
  process and cope or even react to it, to be honest with you.
• 2:04:07
  So, I personally think a lot of these tests talk and not
• 2:04:11
  unbelievers would shut their pants and what Behavior like
• 2:04:15
  that but that's just me, I don't Know I think someone I think
• 2:04:18
  there might be some bold asshole probably teaching that'll March
• 2:04:22
  up the steps up there with the big giant middle finger oh like
• 2:04:25
  fuck your God. Here.
• 2:04:31
  No here. The next question is, how do you
• 2:04:35
  understand the concept of predestination versus Free Will
• 2:04:39
  in your theology? Oh yeah, that's a great
• 2:04:42
  question. It's a kind of a really deep one
• 2:04:45
  but again, I am a mole in this. So, you know, I my viewpoint of
• 2:04:50
  the knowledge of God falls into three different categories.
• 2:04:55
  A one is necessary knowledge. This is things like the metric
• 2:05:00
  of gravity, the laws of physics, the laws of mathematics, the way
• 2:05:04
  that things have to be in the world for a functional coherent,
• 2:05:07
  reality to exist. This is what's called necessary
• 2:05:10
  knowledge. Then you have middle knowledge,
• 2:05:12
  this is the knowledge of things that could happen in any
• 2:05:16
  possible reality based upon any choice of the Free Will agent.
• 2:05:20
  So whether I choose vanilla ice cream or chocolate ice cream,
• 2:05:24
  God's Gonna know, you know what's going to happen with
• 2:05:27
  either choice. I make no matter what choice, I
• 2:05:30
  make, he knows the outcome of each, he knows that if I eat the
• 2:05:33
  vanilla, I'm gonna have horrible God off of rancid Jewish
• 2:05:37
  diarrhea later, but the chocolate will be fine because
• 2:05:39
  it's non-dairy. He knows, he knows the outcome
• 2:05:42
  of every scenario, no matter what choice that I make.
• 2:05:46
  And then the last type of knowledge is free knowledge and
• 2:05:50
  the free knowledge is the knowledge of what will happen.
• 2:05:53
  Not just the knowledge of all the things that could happen but
• 2:05:56
  the knowledge of what actually will happen and in the molinist
• 2:06:00
  framework God has access to all three four forms of this
• 2:06:04
  knowledge and one interesting principle.
• 2:06:06
  One important principle which defeats the idea of nessus.
• 2:06:10
  Very determinism is the idea that God is not required to act
• 2:06:16
  upon any knowledge. He possesses.
• 2:06:17
  So in the instance of him, having free knowledge, where he
• 2:06:21
  knows what will happen, he's not obligated by any metric to act
• 2:06:26
  upon the possession of that knowledge.
• 2:06:27
  To give you an example. You can know what the winning
• 2:06:32
  lottery numbers are for the next lottery, draw.
• 2:06:36
  But you're not going to be a lot of winner and unless you
• 2:06:39
  physically go and actually buy the ticket, not the difference
• 2:06:43
  between having the knowledge and the choice to act upon it.
• 2:06:48
  I just because God has knowledge of the future does not obligate
• 2:06:53
  him to act upon it. And this is where the allowance
• 2:06:57
  of the possibility of middle knowledge comes into play, where
• 2:07:02
  God will operate in relationship with his Creation with his
• 2:07:07
  reality in such a way to respect the existence of middle
• 2:07:12
  knowledge to not instigate or manifest a very specific or
• 2:07:18
  rigid deterministic reality to leave.
• 2:07:21
  It open ended for the opportunity of his creatures to
• 2:07:26
  make their individual choices. Now, there's a limit to that.
• 2:07:30
  Every one is limited to their expression of free choice based
• 2:07:35
  upon their nature. In fact, even God is the limited
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  to free choice, based upon his nature.
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  His nature as being God comes with certain necessary,
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  implications. He cannot manifest a non-truth
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  in a simple terms. He cannot lie.
• 2:07:53
  This is against the possibility of his nature.
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  Therefore, there is a limit to his expression of Free Will
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  based upon his nature, and this is the same for everything in
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  creation. A turtle cannot fly, because it
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  does not have within its nature, the possession of wings or the
• 2:08:12
  ability to regulate anything that has to do with flight.
• 2:08:15
  So it is limited of its Free Will Choice based upon its
• 2:08:19
  nature. The choice is a can make are
• 2:08:21
  limited to its nature of being a turtle and crawl around and it
• 2:08:25
  can eat things basically about it.
• 2:08:27
  A specialty, all that it can do not as the limit of its Free
• 2:08:31
  Will choice is based on its nature in the same with humans.
• 2:08:35
  The same with demons. Same with angels, everything out
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  there is limited in scope to. Its expression of Free Will
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  based upon its individual specific nature.
• 2:08:46
  Its Essence sorts Lucius. And so, in terms of God's
• 2:08:51
  relationship with the Free Will Dynamic Universe, the important
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  intrinsic, focus of the entire reason that reality exists is
• 2:09:02
  for the contents of the reality. The creatures they're in to be
• 2:09:07
  able to manifest a true genuine loving relationship with Divine.
• 2:09:12
  Now only in a universe, where Free Will can be expressed with
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  such a relationship be possible. As we are not members of the
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  Trinity as we are not God. As we are not able to have the
• 2:09:26
  same type of direct Synergy with the holy God.
• 2:09:29
  The only way that we can express love to the to the holy God and
• 2:09:34
  a symbiotic. Relationship is if we choose of
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  our own free will, our free volition to give it to him, to
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  hand him our worship and, and to acknowledge his glory, and to
• 2:09:47
  give him our love. That's what makes the expression
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  of Love meaningful. Now, God could have created a
• 2:09:54
  reality where everyone is just forced, to love him, forced to
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  do good. All of the time where the range
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  of the possibility of non good decisions does not exist.
• 2:10:04
  The problem with that is there's really no purpose to that
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  reality at all. Because all you've done is
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  constructed a facsimile of what Real Love Actually is what the
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  true expression of Love Actually is which is the free expression
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  of it. The Free Will choice to give it
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  or to abstain from giving it. This is what allows us to
• 2:10:30
  connect with the holy God is an environment that allows us to
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  have the opportunity of a free will expression of love and only
• 2:10:40
  in that environment is the expression of Love meaningful or
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  valuable to the holy God, because we could have chosen to
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  not give it to him, but the fact that we could have chosen not to
• 2:10:51
  and chose to give it to him, this is what makes it
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  meaningful. This and Essence is an
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  application in a way, an application of faith and only by
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  faith. Can we please God.
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  And this is the bridge and this is the importance of the nature
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  of reality. So you need to understand
• 2:11:13
  everything in reality everything, the way that reality
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  is structured all of its allowances and Scopes and
• 2:11:19
  limitations, Are all still needing to have to protect that
• 2:11:23
  Grand Central cause that Grand Central, purpose of the
• 2:11:28
  protection of the Free Will expression of love to the holy
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  God. And in that Universe, you have
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  to allow for some creatures to choose the opposite.
• 2:11:40
  Otherwise you've just created a reality.
• 2:11:43
  That's purposeless meaningless. There is no real expression of
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  love. I mean, I love my wife.
• 2:11:51
  I love everything about her bread.
• 2:11:54
  I know you love your wife and you know what?
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  We love our wives and entirety, you know flaws at all every
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  single bed of that. And if I had a chance to trade
• 2:12:05
  in my lovely wife with some reprogrammed, optometrist robot
• 2:12:11
  Stepford wife, that just did absolutely and everything and
• 2:12:15
  was just plain and robotic and you know, cold and detached and
• 2:12:19
  couldn't do anything but do exactly what I said, all the
• 2:12:21
  time. There's no joy in that.
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  Where is the joy in the relationship there?
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  What's the point in even having it?
• 2:12:30
  And this is this is the real understanding God doesn't want
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  some fake manufactured synthetic relationship with us.
• 2:12:40
  He wants a true. Genuine real relationship with
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  with his creation that needs to be freely given and the reality
• 2:12:49
  that allows for evil for pain for trauma for loss, for
• 2:12:53
  difficulty, That is the reality that is just necessary to be
• 2:12:58
  allowed to allow for a reality where the expression of love and
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  communion. And and Synergy is Justified and
• 2:13:08
  meaningful and sincere. So, it's just something in order
• 2:13:13
  to protect the highest good, which is the establishment of a
• 2:13:17
  loving Free Will relationship with God.
• 2:13:20
  He's not the possibility of the contrary has to be allowable and
• 2:13:25
  if you do anything to stop that limit it keep it from happening.
• 2:13:29
  Well, at that point, you've just invented the whole purpose of
• 2:13:32
  reality to begin with Beautifully said beautifully
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  said I I've got my computer plugged into a stereo system so
• 2:13:44
  I'm able to hear really loudly go.
• 2:13:47
  I gotta take a moment but I put five questions and private chats
• 2:13:51
  so you don't know. All right beautiful.
• 2:13:53
  Let's see. And I'll be right back.
• 2:13:54
  Go be able to hear you too. Oh, all right, let's see here.
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  Okay, what does it mean to be here?
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  Obviously, once I get The. Viewpoint here for a second.
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  I hope everyone's enjoying the show by the way.
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  Thank you everyone for being here.
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  Good to see everyone. Thanks for popping in.
• 2:14:15
  Hope you guys are enjoying it. Okay, next question, we have and
• 2:14:18
  private chat. Says.
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  What does it mean to be quote in the world but not of the world
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  in today's society? Interesting.
• 2:14:32
  What does it mean to be in the world but not of the world in
• 2:14:35
  today's society? Well, To be of the world.
• 2:14:39
  To me, means you are validating or encouraging, or participating
• 2:14:44
  in the deviance, and the mature, and the abandonment of Christian
• 2:14:52
  moral paradigms. But in the world is the
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  expectation because we are also called to be the salt of the
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  world should be. He should be a factual in our
• 2:15:06
  testimony and our position to the world.
• 2:15:09
  So we should not be of it. We should not be of their ill of
• 2:15:13
  their kind. We're called to be, what is it
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  anointed, you know, set apart, you know, to be Saints to be
• 2:15:21
  something divided, wheat, not chaff, you know, to be something
• 2:15:24
  specific, set apart unto God. So we should not be of the
• 2:15:31
  world. We should not be of their ill.
• 2:15:33
  We should not manifest their morality, their viewpoints,
• 2:15:37
  their perspectives, their standards.
• 2:15:39
  We should not be amongst them in terms of their secular humanism
• 2:15:44
  or their secular justifications or, or selfish paradigms or
• 2:15:48
  abandonment of of the call of God to morality and and a life
• 2:15:53
  of love and forgiveness. We should not join in them,
• 2:15:58
  should not join with them and their perspectives and their
• 2:16:02
  paradigms and their morality. But we must be in the world and
• 2:16:06
  while we are in the world, we are called to be a testimony and
• 2:16:11
  a witness. And that's the difference to be
• 2:16:14
  in the world where we are in it. But we are a practical
• 2:16:17
  application of the Christian Life.
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  We are a living testimony, a Living Sacrifice to a holy God,
• 2:16:24
  at a demonstration of the work of God in the lives of Believers
• 2:16:29
  as a, someone who is just Abandoning sanctification, and
• 2:16:34
  just openly participating in and condoning all the evils of the
• 2:16:40
  world as they manifest. Next question, how do you
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  approach the tension between Old Testament laws and New Testament
• 2:16:50
  teachings on Grace? Now that is interesting.
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  Um, and actually, you don't really need to stretch far to
• 2:16:58
  understand the relationship and the Synergy between the two
• 2:17:03
  Romans 4, good one and See what's another good one?
• 2:17:09
  Hebrews 11, Hebrews 11 in Romans 4?
• 2:17:13
  Or is it Romans 3 might be Romans 3.
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  They have Romans three or four. We're does discuss about how
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  people in the Old Testament were saved or were on good terms with
• 2:17:28
  God. And the point is made very clear
• 2:17:32
  by Paul, it's not by The Works of the law.
• 2:17:36
  It's not by The Works of the old sacrificial system.
• 2:17:44
  Not someone was saved, it wasn't by The Works of Abraham.
• 2:17:49
  That he was saved. The works, were expected of the
• 2:17:53
  fact that he was saved, but very clearly, even in the Old
• 2:17:57
  Testament, people were saved by grace through faith by
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  unmerited, no, no. Nothing of favor to them, that
• 2:18:07
  they deserved. Its Grace by nature.
• 2:18:10
  Is unmerited can't earn it. Just was demonstrated was just
• 2:18:16
  just stole the pawn. Someone not because they were so
• 2:18:19
  great or intelligent or wonderful or anything like that.
• 2:18:22
  No just just unmerited favor. spend, you know, extended to a
• 2:18:27
  humble human being Um, and the acquisition of that Grace unto
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  salvation, unto communion with the holy God, the bridge that
• 2:18:37
  was always just face. Thing is real Faith.
• 2:18:41
  True Faith would always manifest works.
• 2:18:44
  This is what you see in Hebrews 11, where at least soft, not
• 2:18:48
  only, you know, the greatest, you know, Faith fathers, you
• 2:18:52
  know, of the Old Testament of the predecessors that we know,
• 2:18:56
  in these old stories that list them off.
• 2:18:58
  But it talks about the works, they did through faith.
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  It was the faith. That led to the works.
• 2:19:06
  If they didn't have the faith, they wouldn't have had the works
• 2:19:11
  and the free Graces that. We try to reverse this order.
• 2:19:15
  They always try to make it sound like the works.
• 2:19:18
  Are what it's all about. That the works is what produces
• 2:19:22
  the faith? No, no, you guys are
• 2:19:24
  intentionally misrepresenting and giving it ass backwards,
• 2:19:28
  it's the faith creates the works because if you're true, if it's
• 2:19:33
  real if it's genuine then the works are just going to be
• 2:19:37
  natural. Your decisions are going to run
• 2:19:39
  along the lines of what you actually believe.
• 2:19:43
  If you actually believe in God, well, big surprise, your
• 2:19:48
  decisions and your actions are going to be based upon the idea
• 2:19:51
  that you actually believe in God's going to flavor your
• 2:19:54
  decisions. And what you choose to do this
• 2:19:57
  is what shows that the faith that Abraham had was I would
• 2:20:02
  argue in many instances, almost unshakeable.
• 2:20:06
  I mean, not really with that whole Pharaoh Affair where he
• 2:20:08
  lied to Pharaoh, about his, you know, his wife being a sister,
• 2:20:11
  that was kind of a mess, but in general, even with that lapse.
• 2:20:15
  Don't considered one of the greatest fathers of faith in all
• 2:20:19
  throughout scripture. So we can have lapses.
• 2:20:24
  In faith, but despite the lapse and Faith, the real Saving Face,
• 2:20:28
  the true faith is going to persevere.
• 2:20:30
  It's gonna bounce back. It's not going to stay dead.
• 2:20:33
  You know, faith without works is dead, and that's just how it is.
• 2:20:36
  Like, your faith isn't even real.
• 2:20:38
  It's not genuine. If there's nothing to show that
• 2:20:41
  it actually exists. I mean, what even is Faith at
• 2:20:44
  that point? I mean, what, just a profession,
• 2:20:46
  just a few words, you say about what you claim to believe or is
• 2:20:51
  there an actual demonstration? Is there something in your life
• 2:20:53
  that shows that you actually believe it?
• 2:20:56
  I mean you could tell me all day long.
• 2:20:58
  Hey, I Can Fly. But if you're not willing to
• 2:21:02
  show me and jump off a building or a mountain to do it, I'm
• 2:21:06
  gonna question whether you actually believe you flying or
• 2:21:08
  not. If you're just fucking with me,
• 2:21:10
  you're just trolling with me if you believe something and you
• 2:21:15
  truly believe it. I would expect it to manifest in
• 2:21:19
  your life, so really I'm like the radical dispensationalist.
• 2:21:24
  I don't see some Grand. Huge divide between the message
• 2:21:29
  of Salvation between the Old and New Testament.
• 2:21:32
  I see it to be very, very practical and very much the
• 2:21:34
  same. And the expectations of how our
• 2:21:39
  faith manifests might be a little bit different in the Old
• 2:21:44
  Testament than it is in the New Testament, but the core is still
• 2:21:48
  identical. All by Faith by faith.
• 2:21:52
  The Jews served God in their own capacity with what they had
• 2:21:56
  access to with what they were commanded to same with job.
• 2:21:59
  Same with Noah we don't know what type of system.
• 2:22:02
  No ad. We know there was some sort of
• 2:22:04
  Ohio laws, we knew there was something some sort of life that
• 2:22:09
  Noah was leading in faith with a demonstration of faith in his
• 2:22:13
  daily practical life that had caused God to be pleased with
• 2:22:17
  him. That he knew to sacrifice to
• 2:22:19
  build an altar and give thanks to the holy God.
• 2:22:22
  There was something that he knew, something that we was
• 2:22:25
  delivered in terms of some sort of of standard of a practical
• 2:22:28
  application of Faith, to show his, his consecration of his
• 2:22:32
  relationship with God. Same with Adam.
• 2:22:35
  Same with Seth same with any of the people that led up to Noah
• 2:22:39
  Enoch. Abraham.
• 2:22:42
  David. The Levites.
• 2:22:46
  Moses. Moses is a special Moses is the
• 2:22:50
  one in Bible that God, specifically says.
• 2:22:52
  Number 12. This is the only one who I
• 2:22:54
  talked to face to face. He made Moses extra special You
• 2:22:59
  see? So God is has worked.
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  But guess what? The core of all of it has always
• 2:23:05
  been the same from day, one. Faith, faith is what Justified?
• 2:23:10
  And true Faith leads to works, it just does true.
• 2:23:14
  Faith leads to a demonstration of that.
• 2:23:17
  Just is because if the faith is real, if you really believe it,
• 2:23:20
  you're going to operate by it. You just unavoidable to think
• 2:23:24
  that you're going to have faith. And then it's not going to have
• 2:23:26
  any effect. In any way, shape, or form on,
• 2:23:29
  he was just completely assigned. That it's not going to change
• 2:23:33
  your decisions, your actions, your outlooks.
• 2:23:35
  I mean that's that's nonsense. I mean what is your faith even
• 2:23:39
  in? Really the, the faith, the
• 2:23:43
  fragrance is just nebulous vacant.
• 2:23:45
  Empty void, what do you even have faith in?
• 2:23:48
  Just some some innocuous idea that you're just going to live
• 2:23:52
  forever, no matter what. I mean, just just bizarre.
• 2:23:56
  Anyway. So next question.
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  I'm back. Wait.
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  Oh, you're back, okay? All right.
• 2:24:02
  We'll go ahead and everything said, good stuff.
• 2:24:06
  By the way, I heard everything. Appreciate it.
• 2:24:09
  Thank you, go ahead. I'll let you take back over
• 2:24:11
  that. Well, let's see.
• 2:24:16
  Did you, did you finish up the question?
• 2:24:18
  There was just the first note, was just the first one.
• 2:24:21
  The first two questions in the first comment.
• 2:24:23
  What was it? 12 and 13.
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  Those are the only ones I got to Okay.
• 2:24:29
  Okay. What does forgiveness mean to
• 2:24:31
  you and how do you practice it in your life?
• 2:24:33
  Oh, that's a rough one for me, that's a rough one.
• 2:24:36
  Yeah, and oh, so in terms of the type of forgiveness I think God
• 2:24:42
  was generally most concerned about Oh, how to do with the
• 2:24:47
  type of forgiveness that was in a real way?
• 2:24:50
  It's external manifestation, I think I see many instances in
• 2:24:55
  scripture where the type of forgiveness that seems to be
• 2:24:58
  extraordinary to Christians. If you kind of take it in its
• 2:25:02
  full context and all of the teaching of scripture kind of
• 2:25:05
  round them about you, kind of see a trend.
• 2:25:07
  And what I would say, Amanda instruction on the nature of
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  forgiveness that number one. God wants us to forgive at a
• 2:25:17
  personal level where we don't feel the need to ever engage in
• 2:25:21
  personal retaliation. God is very clear that he is,
• 2:25:25
  you know, vengeance is his belongs to him.
• 2:25:30
  He is the one that will repay and The Christians should, if
• 2:25:36
  they are truly believing in God and truly believing his just and
• 2:25:40
  they know that the person and whatever they've done the slight
• 2:25:44
  you, or whatever. They've, they've done the harm,
• 2:25:47
  you that God has seen it, and God is aware.
• 2:25:49
  And God is the perfect judge, and he's going to do exactly
• 2:25:53
  what is right, either on this, you know, in this life or the
• 2:25:56
  next life in regard to that person.
• 2:25:58
  So, in terms of forgiveness, I think the extolling of scripture
• 2:26:03
  in terms of the type of forgiveness that should manifest
• 2:26:07
  to us. Is to show not, we don't need to
• 2:26:12
  and granted there can be utilitarian Goods to hold
• 2:26:15
  someone to account under the law.
• 2:26:17
  Don't get me wrong. but in a general sense, if there is no
• 2:26:22
  higher utility, if the goal is just simply some form of
• 2:26:25
  recompense or revert, Um, that the Christians should not go
• 2:26:30
  down that road that they should be willing to leave that into
• 2:26:35
  the hands of the holy God. And maybe the holy God's
• 2:26:38
  exhortation to you in prayer is that you need to deal with
• 2:26:42
  someone directly or report them or handle, hand them to a
• 2:26:46
  certain Authority, you know, to be dealt with not possible.
• 2:26:48
  But you need to be willing to always look at it through the
• 2:26:52
  utilitarian good that you're not just doing this for some
• 2:26:55
  personal Vendetta, or some personal striking, it's a person
• 2:26:58
  because you have a higher good, like, if you want to turn
• 2:27:00
  someone in, it's not because oh you want to get back at them
• 2:27:03
  because you were so slighted and you're going to make them pay,
• 2:27:06
  it should be no. I just want them to be held to
• 2:27:09
  account. So they know that what they did
• 2:27:10
  is wrong and they don't want to keep doing it to other people.
• 2:27:13
  You know, that's the spirit of those two things is very,
• 2:27:16
  radically different and it's important to discern and to be
• 2:27:21
  able to have the correct spirit in your day-to-day operations,
• 2:27:24
  and how you handle people. Now, General forgiveness, I
• 2:27:28
  think should result in that way. We're not going out of your way
• 2:27:31
  looking to settle personal vendettas or engage in personal
• 2:27:34
  methods of Vengeance but that you're just trying to do what's
• 2:27:38
  ultimately right to the grad protection of all.
• 2:27:40
  If you do anything. Oh whatsoever.
• 2:27:43
  If you feel compelled you know and acknowledging God that he
• 2:27:47
  wants you to do something, then you follow that do it.
• 2:27:49
  But in a general sense I think you should leave it to God's
• 2:27:53
  hands until you feel compelled or believe that God has told you
• 2:27:56
  or is encouraging you or inspiring you.
• 2:28:00
  To do otherwise and God might inspire you to be the one to
• 2:28:03
  handle it. To step up and do something
• 2:28:04
  about it. To be bold voice to be his actor
• 2:28:07
  or his operator in this particular situation.
• 2:28:10
  But that should accompany a sense of reverence and humility
• 2:28:14
  and recognition of the holy God and praying to him and asking
• 2:28:18
  for Him to guide you and help, make that decision engaging in
• 2:28:23
  just you know, malicious attacks for personal vendettas and
• 2:28:27
  certainly like many of the free Racers do where you're just
• 2:28:30
  making stuff up and engaging an outright lies and slander
• 2:28:34
  because someone notice something about you and told An
• 2:28:38
  Inconvenient Truth that you hate.
• 2:28:39
  And so the only thing you can do is to resort to a bunch of lies
• 2:28:44
  and slander and made up nonsense, which happens a lot
• 2:28:48
  and certainly a lot on YouTube. so, Forgiveness is important,
• 2:28:57
  but also recognizing what the scenario of forgiveness should
• 2:29:02
  look like in terms of your own. Personal reconciling with the
• 2:29:09
  human being that you are called to forgive.
• 2:29:12
  I do think there is a level of forgiveness which is that, we
• 2:29:14
  don't engage in personal Vendetta and then there's
• 2:29:16
  another layer. Which is our actual personal
• 2:29:20
  reconciliation with the human being and in terms of a spirit
• 2:29:24
  and a presence of reconciliation, with someone to
• 2:29:28
  forgive them, I do think repentance is required.
• 2:29:32
  I think repentance a certain layer and expectation of
• 2:29:37
  repentance is required of all of us.
• 2:29:41
  In order to be forgiven by God, that he wants to see a penitent,
• 2:29:46
  heart, humble heart, a repentant heart, a heart that recognizes
• 2:29:51
  its error and desires mercy and then as wanting to ask for
• 2:29:56
  forgiveness and Desiring to be better to do better.
• 2:30:00
  Um, that, I believe, God honors and rewards with forgiveness,
• 2:30:05
  and that is his standard by, which to forgive.
• 2:30:08
  And I do not personally think that God is commanding us, to be
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  better than him, or more moral than him, or different than him,
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  but to acknowledge his standard. And I do think that, in terms of
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  personal reconciliation with another person in terms of
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  forgiveness, that part of that equation does regard repentance
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  of the other party. At least, this is one thing that
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  me and some of the fragrances will agree with that.
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  In terms of the level of forgiveness of personal
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  reconciliation, we should see a level of humility and a penitent
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  heart on the half of the person seeking forgiveness, and the
• 2:30:52
  person that started wrong isn't even seeking forgiveness, does
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  it take to even need it? I don't necessarily think that
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  the Shoulders, obligated to extend it at least, in terms of
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  the personal reconciliation level.
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  I think you still need to let go of the idea of bitterness and
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  personal than that. I think that's still absolutely
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  extorted and required in scripture, but in terms of
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  creating a bridge or connection of personal reconciliation with
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  that person, no, I don't think that's required.
• 2:31:24
  Unless there is a level of repentance to the other party in
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  terms of what they've done in respect to their relationship
• 2:31:32
  with you because otherwise, you're just basically creating
• 2:31:36
  environment where you're inviting, you know, abuse
• 2:31:39
  against yourself with things that are unpleasant or difficult
• 2:31:43
  or damaging to you. You're just giving an
• 2:31:45
  enablement. You're just giving license to
• 2:31:47
  perverse actions to bad actions and there's no good.
• 2:31:51
  There's no nobility in that there's no virtue in that
• 2:31:53
  encouraging someone to do evil to using forgiveness as a
• 2:31:59
  message to to encourage. Evil rather than limited.
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  If you're doing that I think you're you've completely lost
• 2:32:06
  the plot on what forgiveness is even supposed to be.
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  So You kind of know this about me a little bit about me?
• 2:32:15
  I don't know, some of the other people do.
• 2:32:17
  There might be a few out there. But what would you say to
• 2:32:20
  someone who like myself, who was in this position, where I was an
• 2:32:25
  ignorant, child who was a part of Christianity, became an
• 2:32:29
  atheist for a long time and then found my way into Christianity
• 2:32:33
  wanting to get in the philosophy, wanting to find
• 2:32:35
  fellowship and Community, but a majority of the people I ran
• 2:32:39
  into were free Graces. They were the type of people
• 2:32:42
  once they've always saved. If they don't think that their
• 2:32:46
  works are actions are important than, how am I supposed to know
• 2:32:49
  them by their fruit or even though they're saved at all the
• 2:32:53
  great question. That is actually one of the
• 2:32:56
  questions. One of the big problems.
• 2:32:58
  I've been presenting to the free Grace for years.
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  How the hell do you even know who saved or not?
• 2:33:04
  I mean if you can't judge someone by their teachings,
• 2:33:08
  their words, their actions, their judgments, how they treat
• 2:33:11
  people whole, I mean, what the hell else is there?
• 2:33:14
  I mean, what do you get even? I mean, how can you tell the
• 2:33:18
  difference? You know, between someone who's
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  saved and not saved, if he can't judge anything about their
• 2:33:24
  fruits and why did christ? Waste his time telling us
• 2:33:28
  judging by their fruits. If we can't judge them by their
• 2:33:31
  fruits and free, Graces true. you know what doesn't It doesn't
• 2:33:35
  make sense and I've heard them do all sorts of ridiculous
• 2:33:39
  things to try to avoid accountability of this fact.
• 2:33:43
  That praise one point was saying, oh we're not examining
• 2:33:46
  fruits for Examining The Roots, the Roots, not the fruit, so
• 2:33:50
  that's dumb. That's just an attempt to escape
• 2:33:54
  the accountability just you know, he's examining fruits.
• 2:33:57
  But he's just calling it something else to try to escape
• 2:34:00
  accountability. That is abandoning and
• 2:34:03
  compromising his own superiority to try and create some metrics,
• 2:34:07
  some method by which he can decide that someone is saved or
• 2:34:11
  not. I, I don't have to do that type
• 2:34:13
  of nonsense. I'm a conditional, I understand
• 2:34:16
  that someone's state of Salvation is going to manifest
• 2:34:20
  in their life and really, I could be wrong, about someone's
• 2:34:25
  ultimate state of Salvation, there were going to be some
• 2:34:27
  crazy, raging hateful Satanist out there that I don't know
• 2:34:31
  converts to Jesus in the last five minutes on his deathbed and
• 2:34:35
  Saved, not that I necessary believe in death bed conversions
• 2:34:39
  but let's just say for a moment I did I don't know that could be
• 2:34:43
  a situation. You know, I don't know if this
• 2:34:45
  person that I'm arguing with that hates God and curses God,
• 2:34:49
  and all the stuff is really not, ultimately save.
• 2:34:51
  All I can do is operate with what I have in front of me at
• 2:34:53
  the moment. And and I've always been honest
• 2:34:56
  about that, I'm not making like I don't do like Jack smack and
• 2:35:00
  some of the free Racers are you don't you don't hear me commonly
• 2:35:04
  throughout the word reprobate because reprobates got a real
• 2:35:07
  special connotation to it. If you're using the word
• 2:35:10
  reprobate you're talking about someone who can't possibly be
• 2:35:14
  saved. You're talking about somebody's
• 2:35:15
  walking around spiritually Dead with no chance of Salvation or
• 2:35:19
  regeneration. So, I don't, I don't throw that
• 2:35:23
  word around willy-nilly like some of the free Racers.
• 2:35:26
  You know, if I talk about someone being condemned, I'm
• 2:35:30
  talking about a current state of affairs, they got that Doctrine,
• 2:35:33
  they got a bad belief, they're rejecting God, they're
• 2:35:35
  abandoning the Holy Spirit, they have no sanctification, whatever
• 2:35:38
  justification. I'm talking about President
• 2:35:41
  states of Affairs, I'm not making some Grand, prophetic
• 2:35:45
  prediction about their ultimate state, I'm stating based upon
• 2:35:49
  what I see in my current state of affairs.
• 2:35:51
  This is where I see you going. And this is why And that's how I
• 2:35:56
  operate. I don't have that type of
• 2:35:59
  Perverse view like the free Graces of this weird weird idea
• 2:36:04
  that they can grasp on to this, Cartesian certainty of absolutes
• 2:36:08
  about everyone's salvation. I mean at any one, anyone that's
• 2:36:12
  having absolute certainty in their own salvation to me as a
• 2:36:16
  dangerous place. You're not questioning yourself
• 2:36:18
  anymore. You're not wondering if you got
• 2:36:21
  the right Doctrine, you're not looking for, you're not being
• 2:36:25
  self-critical or even or even bothering to question if you got
• 2:36:28
  something wrong. You've just guarded yourself for
• 2:36:32
  many possible view of Correction.
• 2:36:33
  Now if you've got a guarded yourself from any possible,
• 2:36:35
  correction, how's the Holy Spirit?
• 2:36:37
  Going to correct you? I mean, if you have to I mean
• 2:36:40
  unless you're Calvinists and you believe the Holy Spirit just
• 2:36:43
  basically got you on remote control and you have no human
• 2:36:46
  autonomy anymore. And yeah, that is essentially in
• 2:36:50
  many ways. What most of the Calvinists do
• 2:36:52
  believe satyr logically. They are basically just now as
• 2:36:56
  soon as you believe in god, oh, autonomy is over.
• 2:36:59
  Now the Holy Spirit just gonna force you to do the right thing
• 2:37:01
  all the time. It's really many times how it
• 2:37:04
  ends up manifesting in their viewpoint, but I don't believe
• 2:37:07
  that. I believe you have to choose who
• 2:37:10
  you serve that. You have to choose this day who
• 2:37:13
  you will serve that. You have to be willing to take
• 2:37:15
  up your cross daily, that you have to make that commitment
• 2:37:18
  that you have to give that commitment on a daily basis.
• 2:37:21
  I believe that But I think that every Christian should adopt
• 2:37:26
  that Viewpoint, if you start thinking, I can't possibly be
• 2:37:30
  lost. I think you're in a real
• 2:37:32
  dangerous place because you might be lost and you'll never
• 2:37:35
  be able to be convinced otherwise So, and I think that
• 2:37:38
  that's dangerous. I hope I answered the question.
• 2:37:42
  No, I think you did. I am I had an unusual experience
• 2:37:47
  a while back. Whenever I was going through,
• 2:37:49
  what we just talked about, I could not find my way through to
• 2:37:54
  find good fellowship or Community whatsoever.
• 2:37:57
  I was starting to get really aggravated not with God, but I
• 2:38:01
  just felt like why am I not connecting?
• 2:38:03
  Why am I not meeting people that are right?
• 2:38:06
  And I remember I was telling sister Sunshine.
• 2:38:09
  Whenever I met her, I said, I am just failing at this.
• 2:38:13
  This is not going. Well, I'm not able to find
• 2:38:15
  people to connect with and I prayed about it.
• 2:38:17
  But guess what? Something weird happened.
• 2:38:20
  One day. I said sister, why doesn't God
• 2:38:24
  brings someone some more people like yourself or someone who's
• 2:38:28
  really cares about what you're talking about and that was the
• 2:38:31
  day you actually showed up. I don't know if you knew that.
• 2:38:34
  I did not know that. That's interesting.
• 2:38:37
  Kind of a I don't know if it was a miracle or a sign that I I do
• 2:38:43
  remember listening to you feeling.
• 2:38:45
  Like there was definitely a difference in an aura if that's
• 2:38:49
  even the right word for it. But yeah there was just
• 2:38:51
  something different Yeah that is interesting.
• 2:38:54
  I I do think sometimes stuff like that does work out that you
• 2:38:58
  know. And I've noticed that too where
• 2:39:00
  like maybe I don't know, I'll get like a feeling or something
• 2:39:04
  like, oh, you know, I haven't talked to this person, a hot
• 2:39:07
  minute, you know, I should give them a call and then I'll reach
• 2:39:10
  out to them. And like, all man, I can't
• 2:39:12
  believe you reached out. I was like, praying to God and
• 2:39:15
  asking for just someone to reach out to me.
• 2:39:17
  And I need to talk to about this.
• 2:39:18
  I didn't know who I could turn to, and then you just popped up
• 2:39:21
  and and like, oh, I'm so happy to hear, you know, like, just
• 2:39:24
  things like that sometimes happen with me every and it's
• 2:39:28
  not like, I'm like trying, you know, like sit there and deep
• 2:39:32
  spiritual meditation of like, God what would you like me to do
• 2:39:36
  next? It's just, I just feel it, you
• 2:39:39
  know, it's just something I feel and I should do this or click on
• 2:39:42
  this link or go in this room or talk to this person or respond
• 2:39:46
  to this message and an amazingly in some ways it I have noticed.
• 2:39:50
  Sometimes it does end up being maybe just something that the
• 2:39:55
  person need to hear at the right moment.
• 2:39:56
  You know, even people on Facebook.
• 2:39:59
  It was just one guy way back in the day.
• 2:40:01
  Um God, this is probably four or five years ago.
• 2:40:04
  I don't even know if the guys still alive, he had some sort of
• 2:40:07
  hateful. I don't know lung disease or
• 2:40:10
  something that looked like he was kind of, you know, on his
• 2:40:13
  last legs. You know, and certainly was
• 2:40:15
  struggling. I kind of these last days of his
• 2:40:17
  life and he was really, really scared.
• 2:40:18
  And I just happens one day, you know, to click on the link to
• 2:40:23
  join this Facebook group to see who was in there to chat.
• 2:40:26
  I wasn't you know, thinking to do anything or You know, or be
• 2:40:29
  there pretty thing in particular, things special.
• 2:40:31
  But there was this guy and he was in there, and he was scared,
• 2:40:35
  and he was there, praying. He was just asking, you know,
• 2:40:37
  God, you know, send someone to talk to him encouragement.
• 2:40:40
  And I just happened to be there, and I just happened to give him
• 2:40:43
  some words of encouragement and let him feel better and let him
• 2:40:47
  feel comfortable that moment. And he's some of this fear and
• 2:40:49
  stuff like that. I didn't intend to.
• 2:40:51
  I didn't mean to do that. And I just think maybe somehow
• 2:40:54
  some way that was just one of those moments where the Holy
• 2:40:57
  Spirit just worked, you know, either through my decision or
• 2:41:01
  maybe just gave me a little nudge or a little feeling, hey,
• 2:41:05
  go do this, go click on this and I just kind of felt like it.
• 2:41:08
  I didn't, I don't really associate it at the moment like,
• 2:41:11
  oh, this is the holy spirit. Something me on a mission, like,
• 2:41:14
  you know, like a fox machine from Heaven, you know, in the
• 2:41:17
  fucking, you know, the red phone is ringing and, you know, the
• 2:41:20
  speeds coming through, Holy Spirit.
• 2:41:22
  Got a new mission for you. It's nothing like that.
• 2:41:24
  It's just, I feel, I just should do this, or just an Impulse, or
• 2:41:28
  I don't even, All an impression and inspiration, I don't know.
• 2:41:31
  And I just do it and then it has some sort of interesting, you
• 2:41:34
  know, a fact. So it's interesting to hear that
• 2:41:36
  of you. That's not the first time I've
• 2:41:37
  heard it, but it's compelling and it is interesting.
• 2:41:39
  I have to admit Well, I know that you've experienced some of
• 2:41:44
  the same things as I have where I guess there's a bit of
• 2:41:47
  discernment when you run into people you just write off the
• 2:41:50
  bat. You just feel like they're
• 2:41:51
  absolutely full of shit. You're just like yeah, they're
• 2:41:55
  nonsense. But when I ran into you, you
• 2:41:58
  were knowledgeable, you were educated and you were very
• 2:42:02
  strong and how you put things across very articulate.
• 2:42:06
  And the most important part, you actually seem to care about what
• 2:42:11
  you were talking about is where the other people were both shut.
• 2:42:13
  Your Merry Christmas, more questions.
• 2:42:15
  I don't want to get your head like get no, we're good.
• 2:42:18
  No, I'm good. Yeah, no, go for Buddy,
• 2:42:20
  absolutely no problem. No, I'm enjoying that actually,
• 2:42:22
  I've had a great time tonight. This has been a lot of fun.
• 2:42:24
  I really have enjoyed it. I hope I bet not gauging in too
• 2:42:28
  many tangents from the questions.
• 2:42:30
  I apologize sometimes I get going and then it leads into
• 2:42:33
  another thought. I hope I've been actually
• 2:42:35
  answering the central questions. I apologize.
• 2:42:37
  Anyone, if you don't think I have tackled it as directly As I
• 2:42:41
  could, I have been trying. So the only issue is is that
• 2:42:46
  you're so extensive and articulate you manage to answer
• 2:42:49
  five questions that I have before I even give them to you.
• 2:42:53
  The only problem. I'm glad the flow is so natural.
• 2:42:58
  I'm glad to hear that. It's good stuff.
• 2:43:01
  All right, the next question is, how do you stay grounded in your
• 2:43:04
  face during busy or stressful times?
• 2:43:11
  um, I would encourage everyone to not neglect those moments of
• 2:43:19
  Just tranquillity and quiet, you see?
• 2:43:22
  I think it's easy for us to fill our lives with all of the
• 2:43:27
  distractions. And when I say distractions, I
• 2:43:29
  don't really mean this early bad things, your family can be a
• 2:43:32
  distraction, you know, not a bad destruction, a good one, you
• 2:43:35
  know, something you should See too in regard, but, you know, we
• 2:43:39
  should not neglect being able to try and find those few moments
• 2:43:42
  where we can just stop. Breathe be in a few moments of
• 2:43:47
  quiet. Maybe prayer, maybe meditation,
• 2:43:50
  maybe even just reading a passage or two.
• 2:43:53
  Um giving some acknowledgment to God and especially when things
• 2:43:58
  are stressful but you'd also don't want to be that guy.
• 2:44:02
  That's like only going to God when stuff is shit, you know,
• 2:44:07
  like, you know, you don't want to be that guy that's only
• 2:44:11
  showing up, you know, like the relative or the the deadbeat
• 2:44:14
  uncle that only shows up on the front door.
• 2:44:17
  When he needs a handout, you know, or something like that.
• 2:44:19
  You know, something's not going, right?
• 2:44:20
  You don't want to be that guy, you know?
• 2:44:23
  And so I I think it's important honestly to really show the
• 2:44:29
  truth of your relationship with God is that he's invited into
• 2:44:33
  the good times just as much as he is the bad times.
• 2:44:37
  You know, it's it's easy for us to forget God when everything's
• 2:44:40
  going great. You know, when we don't need to
• 2:44:42
  cry out to him for Mercy or help or guidance, you know, the
• 2:44:47
  people that probably are closest to God are the people that
• 2:44:50
  sometimes have at the toughest. I mean, they're the ones that
• 2:44:53
  are really usually in deeper communion when people have stuff
• 2:44:56
  going. Right?
• 2:44:56
  You know, sometimes, you know, you can forget about God.
• 2:44:59
  In fact, there's even a passage in.
• 2:45:01
  I think it's Proverbs specifically about this, and
• 2:45:05
  it's a prayer, you know, basically asking God to not give
• 2:45:11
  him too much, or too little, because to give him too much
• 2:45:15
  would cause him to say, you know.
• 2:45:17
  Well heck, you know, what do I need God for?
• 2:45:19
  And to give him too little would cause him to, you know, possibly
• 2:45:25
  sinned against the Lord Maybe by stealing or coveting, or
• 2:45:28
  something like that. So his prayer to God is not to
• 2:45:31
  give him too much to work forgets about God or too little
• 2:45:34
  that he possibly sends against God, but just give them
• 2:45:36
  something. Right in the middle.
• 2:45:37
  Just just enough to get by The on this, this is reflectively
• 2:45:41
  on, in the wisdom of Jesus Christ his own teachings.
• 2:45:43
  You know, give us this, you know, this day, our daily bread,
• 2:45:46
  you know, provide for us today. Give us what is sufficient to us
• 2:45:49
  for today in this time today. And that is where the Christian
• 2:45:54
  Life of contentment should be not the greedy.
• 2:45:57
  Acquisition of all things material.
• 2:45:59
  But what is sufficient and what is and when you have what you
• 2:46:04
  have beyond what is sufficient? The Christians should be looking
• 2:46:08
  to extend and give to others who don't have what is sufficient
• 2:46:13
  and they're the body of Christ. And the work of the holy spirit
• 2:46:16
  is complete through the work of the church by us sharing and
• 2:46:21
  synergizing with each other to where the work of the Holy
• 2:46:25
  Spirit comes through and manifests in each, other's lives
• 2:46:28
  by each of the work of each other, where we are looking to
• 2:46:33
  God, to provide to us, for our sustenance on the day-to-day
• 2:46:37
  thing, and where we are willing in our Trust of that to be
• 2:46:41
  gracious and generous and giving and benevolent to others who
• 2:46:46
  maybe aren't in a state of current sufficiently.
• 2:46:50
  So, um, and I think the Christians should try to
• 2:46:53
  cultivate that type of relationship with God and that
• 2:46:58
  type of relationship with their fellow man.
• 2:47:00
  So there's one more thing I want to clear up because I was saying
• 2:47:06
  just a moment ago that it was about the caring issue.
• 2:47:10
  When I say that. It's I'm not saying that
• 2:47:12
  Christians don't care about their beliefs and Views and you,
• 2:47:15
  you were the only one they're smoking.
• 2:47:16
  What I'm saying is that you actually cared enough about what
• 2:47:21
  you believed in to where you challenge yourself and you, you
• 2:47:24
  even questioned yourself internally in order to have the
• 2:47:28
  most articulate responses and be as effective as possible as
• 2:47:32
  we're other people. They seem like they, they're
• 2:47:35
  they just believe things because they were told to believe things
• 2:47:39
  but they don't go any further to.
• 2:47:41
  Well, let's just say they're shooting ducks in a barrel.
• 2:47:45
  They say those types, right? So that's what I mean by that.
• 2:47:48
  I get show know, I get you and I there are a lot of people who do
• 2:47:52
  adopt Beliefs, for lots of that reasons, including very
• 2:47:56
  emotional ones, you know, maybe there's no logic at all behind
• 2:47:59
  that, they just believe things because they want to, you know,
• 2:48:02
  I know someone, I'm not gonna mention his name, but he
• 2:48:06
  believed trust. I mean, he believes deep down
• 2:48:10
  that his dad loves him. Oh, now he doesn't objectively.
• 2:48:14
  Just doesn't that. Doesn't give a shit about him.
• 2:48:16
  It was Dad can give a fuk whether he lives or dies, but
• 2:48:19
  deep down. He believes it and he's
• 2:48:22
  constructed a whole complex ideological system.
• 2:48:29
  Based upon Japanese anime to try and justify the Viewpoint that
• 2:48:34
  his dad actually loves it. So, I mean, I I certainly able
• 2:48:39
  to see people engage in all types of interesting personal
• 2:48:43
  gymnastics to believe what they want to believe.
• 2:48:45
  And when you've been taught something even, like as early as
• 2:48:49
  a kid, you could be hard to break away from it, you know, I
• 2:48:51
  mean it can be because I mean it's it's part of your identity,
• 2:48:55
  it's part of your, you know, in some ways, it's almost home,
• 2:48:58
  it's part of like who you are. You know, maybe you're you're
• 2:49:01
  culture or part of your connection to your family and to
• 2:49:04
  give that up, you know, just abandon that can sometimes be
• 2:49:07
  tough and and it's special if you're talking about something
• 2:49:10
  like a cult, like Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons, where
• 2:49:12
  they're going to shun you and destroy your life and collapse
• 2:49:16
  your business and alienate you from your family and your
• 2:49:18
  friends. I mean, now you're talking about
• 2:49:20
  a real real heavy burden for someone to potentially, take up
• 2:49:24
  to change their beliefs and they're not going to do so
• 2:49:27
  lightly. So yeah I and I can understand
• 2:49:30
  that Brad. I can appreciate.
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  I appreciate you saying that I really do because yeah I agree I
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  wish it was different. I wish there was probably a
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  little more. Sincerity in this Pursuit.
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  But yeah, sometimes it seems like some people.
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  They're just, they're just repeating a script, you know.
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  And I don't even know if they even thought about what they're
• 2:49:48
  even saying too much, they're just going with something they
• 2:49:51
  were told like the free Racers. Oh, oh grace alone.
• 2:49:54
  By faith alone and Jesus alone. How can you have three things
• 2:49:58
  all alone together at the same time?
• 2:50:00
  The fuk does that work? You know, it's all just this
• 2:50:03
  dumb idiot, brain nonsense rhetoric and they just keep
• 2:50:07
  repeating it because someone they heard say it said it,
• 2:50:10
  someone, they agree with said something dumb like this, and
• 2:50:13
  they don't think about it. They don't think about what it
• 2:50:15
  really means, and how ridiculous it is, there's like, oh yeah,
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  faith alone, and grace alone. Those two things to gather
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  alone, that's what you need. Just those two things alone
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  together to gather with each other alone.
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  It's just, you know, and like no one stops her and thinks, wow,
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  that was a stupid fucking thing. That guy just said, like, oh no,
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  I agree with this so curology and I want to believe it.
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  So yep, I'll just accept it. That's fine.
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  These Things that happened to be alone while also together at the
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  same time and she's dumb. And, and you're right.
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  I mean, it's sad and Christians will come in and they'll have a
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  script and they'll just repeat it.
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  It's almost like they have a dead soul that is just, it's
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  just coming from a place where they're not, even really
• 2:50:56
  attached to it in any real way. There's no real justification
• 2:51:00
  behind it, it's just something they believe because they want
• 2:51:04
  to or because it was what they were taught, they don't know any
• 2:51:07
  different and they've attached on to it and they don't know how
• 2:51:10
  to how to escape it and if anyone goes against it and it's
• 2:51:13
  like you're attacking them, so yeah I I can appreciate and I
• 2:51:18
  appreciate you saying that to me because I it does this does mean
• 2:51:21
  something to me clearly I'm not just doing this for my own you
• 2:51:25
  know better good you know going around on the internet arguing
• 2:51:28
  with all these assholes handling layers of non-stop slander Left
• 2:51:34
  and right. I'm not doing this for my own
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  good, you know, clearly my intention for this is to try to
• 2:51:40
  offer something to strengthen people that maybe have weak
• 2:51:45
  Faith, or bad justifications for their faith or bad faith
• 2:51:48
  altogether. You know, I'm not doing this for
• 2:51:51
  my own good. This is out of a sense of love
• 2:51:53
  and concern for all the innocent baby.
• 2:51:56
  Christians out there that are being perverted and misaligned
• 2:52:00
  with a bunch of dangerous, lame, you know, dead doctrines, you
• 2:52:05
  know things that lead to death and Damnation and destruction.
• 2:52:08
  You know just perversity and they don't know any better
• 2:52:10
  because they don't have to knowledge because no one's equip
• 2:52:13
  them because they're still young.
• 2:52:14
  I mean, there's people that have been in the 20 years but maybe
• 2:52:18
  grow up in some crazy KJV. Only fundamentalist Camp.
• 2:52:22
  What do they know about sound teaching?
• 2:52:24
  What do they know about sound, hermeneutics?
• 2:52:26
  What do they know about the age of the Earth and terms of an
• 2:52:29
  older interpretation of scripture?
• 2:52:31
  What do they know about sound? Thing, they just know what they
• 2:52:35
  were taught. And when they, and when they
• 2:52:38
  find out the bullshit that they were taught his garbage, they
• 2:52:41
  don't go running to a different version of Christianity.
• 2:52:43
  They run to atheists. That's just, that's just how it
• 2:52:45
  happens. You ever feel like people.
• 2:52:50
  They don't really want a person relationship with God.
• 2:52:54
  They just want the French benefits of it.
• 2:52:56
  The rewards. Oh, yeah.
• 2:52:58
  Well, you hear this from the fragrance is all the time.
• 2:53:00
  What they reject the idea that Jesus is their Lord, but they
• 2:53:05
  love the idea of him, being their savior.
• 2:53:07
  Oh, yeah. Oh, they love eating that up.
• 2:53:10
  Oh, save your all day long, but the moment you say, Lord and
• 2:53:13
  Savior, oh wow. Oh well, then you're an asshole.
• 2:53:20
  Oof. All right.
• 2:53:21
  Now, for some intense stuff, how do you interpret the Book of
• 2:53:26
  Revelation and how does it influence your view of the
• 2:53:28
  future? Oh, eschatology question.
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  Here's the thing. I don't take a super strong
• 2:53:36
  stance. On that scatology to be honest
• 2:53:40
  with you. Now not that I don't think it's
• 2:53:43
  important. I do think that having
• 2:53:45
  reasonably decent technology is is a good idea.
• 2:53:50
  It's beneficial. But not necessary.
• 2:53:54
  I do think no one. Of the nature of the predictions
• 2:54:00
  of Revelation, at least some level is probably going to be
• 2:54:02
  helpful. Now, I just so everyone knows
• 2:54:04
  Eileen towards the post-trib pre Wrath.
• 2:54:10
  Situation. So the way that I lean and I
• 2:54:14
  could be wrong, I don't take again.
• 2:54:16
  I don't take a super strong position on this.
• 2:54:18
  This is just based upon the arguments that I've heard in the
• 2:54:21
  past from people. This is why lean that the church
• 2:54:24
  that Christians will have to endure to have to go through the
• 2:54:27
  tribulation but we will be removed and sorted at the time
• 2:54:32
  of the pouring out of the real wrath where the true destruction
• 2:54:36
  in totality of the world is being manifest that we will be
• 2:54:40
  pulled out before that but that Christians will have to endure
• 2:54:43
  and go through the times of the initial tribulation.
• 2:54:47
  So that's the position that I typically hold.
• 2:54:49
  I don't know that it's, I'm not certain that, it's alright.
• 2:54:51
  This is just based upon the arguments and what I've heard so
• 2:54:55
  far this is what seems to be. The most reasonable
• 2:54:58
  interpretation of scripture. I absolutely could be wrong but
• 2:55:02
  I don't take a super heavy position and I don't argue a lot
• 2:55:05
  about it and I'll be on with you.
• 2:55:07
  I'm a little concerned about the people that Focus too much on
• 2:55:14
  it. Like if your whole stick, if
• 2:55:17
  like 90% of what you talk about is like in the Book of
• 2:55:22
  Revelation or preterism or what has already happened, or is
• 2:55:28
  about to happen or hasn't happened yet.
• 2:55:30
  If you just hyper fixate and focus and obsess over this, I do
• 2:55:35
  think there's something wrong with you.
• 2:55:37
  I think that there might be something spiritually wrong with
• 2:55:41
  you. Um, I think that that level of
• 2:55:45
  obsession over the prophecy and prediction of the future and
• 2:55:49
  even the inspiration of the necessity to defend it as if it
• 2:55:54
  was South Vivic, these that I think is a sign that you've got
• 2:55:59
  some poison in your soul and probably need a little, a little
• 2:56:03
  reflection when they need whenever someone starts getting
• 2:56:05
  real die hard about eschatology. I start to get a little
• 2:56:10
  concerned. All right.
• 2:56:17
  I'm going to put, I'm going to post this in comments for people
• 2:56:20
  so they can see this as well. Do you believe, do you believe
• 2:56:25
  this verse endorses our supports in any way?
• 2:56:28
  The theological position of annihilationism.
• 2:56:32
  There it is, and fear, not them, which kill the body.
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  But are not able to kill the soul but rather fear him which
• 2:56:43
  is able to destroy both soul and body and Hell.
• 2:56:51
  Interesting. Um, boy, the annihilationism
• 2:56:55
  question. That is a good one.
• 2:56:58
  Here's the thing. I'm open to the possibility.
• 2:57:04
  Of annihilationism. I think that we see Echoes of it
• 2:57:09
  throughout church history. In terms of people even people
• 2:57:15
  that would probably be regarded as somewhat competent
• 2:57:18
  theologians in church history. And certainly even Protestant
• 2:57:22
  reformers that believed in the idea.
• 2:57:25
  Of annihilationism and I understand the central meta
• 2:57:28
  argument behind it. The idea of that it's easier to
• 2:57:32
  reconcile, the idea that God would have temporal punishment
• 2:57:37
  for temporal sits, which is essentially how the argument
• 2:57:40
  usually goes, which is kind of the idea that well, You know,
• 2:57:45
  you don't want to believe in a God, that would torture someone
• 2:57:48
  for eternity. It's a lot better to believe in
• 2:57:50
  a God, that would just burn someone up.
• 2:57:52
  Well, here's the thing that passage right there.
• 2:57:54
  I don't think necessarily goes one way or the other.
• 2:57:58
  If you are interpreting it, in some sort of really hyper.
• 2:58:01
  Literalist type of way you could make an argument that well, you
• 2:58:05
  know, it's talking about a parallelism between the killing
• 2:58:08
  of the body which is its destruction in the killing of
• 2:58:11
  the Soul, which you would associate is also being its
• 2:58:13
  destruction, but that isn't necessarily the destruction of
• 2:58:17
  the physical sense because the soul isn't physical.
• 2:58:19
  So what are we talking about? We could be talking about the
• 2:58:22
  destruction of it in a real intrinsic way as in an
• 2:58:26
  elimination from existence, which is what the annihilation
• 2:58:28
  is say. We could be talking about in
• 2:58:30
  destruction of its potential, as an account, possibly be anything
• 2:58:34
  other than its state of condemnation and destruction and
• 2:58:37
  Punishment. So it could be that way.
• 2:58:39
  In terms of being put into a state of Destruction, which is
• 2:58:43
  of course, the second death and Clearly this is a parallelism
• 2:58:46
  between the first death and the second death so which isn't
• 2:58:50
  necessarily definitively any type of to me approved text to
• 2:58:55
  give rise to the idea of annihilationism.
• 2:58:58
  I don't think that's necessarily bolsters their point.
• 2:59:01
  It doesn't necessarily bolster the other side as well but I
• 2:59:05
  will in terms of addressing the meta of their argument which is
• 2:59:09
  really a lot of where this flows from is the idea that God it was
• 2:59:13
  not going to punish someone at least a just God is not going to
• 2:59:17
  punish someone by torturing them for an eternity.
• 2:59:19
  Here's the problem. Is that every sin?
• 2:59:23
  Every thing that we do, nothing that human beings do we do in a
• 2:59:27
  vacuum and everything we do affects other person and the
• 2:59:31
  things that we do that effective in the person if it affects
• 2:59:33
  another person, it affects them on any Turtles scale.
• 2:59:36
  Because the things that we do have an eternal facts, like what
• 2:59:39
  we say, what we do, what we believe is going to affect the
• 2:59:43
  Judgment that is going to have eternal consequences that
• 2:59:45
  extends out forever. So, everything we do in a way,
• 2:59:50
  has some sort of Eternal consequence to give you an
• 2:59:53
  example. To make this very, very clear
• 2:59:54
  think about Matt Dillahunty as an example of an atheist who has
• 2:59:59
  helped validate people's Rebellion against the holy God.
• 3:00:02
  Okay? So Matt's action, his sin is in
• 3:00:06
  terms of turning people against God.
• 3:00:07
  Now, what is the consequence of that in terms of an assisting
• 3:00:10
  turning people against God? Well, someone is going to lose.
• 3:00:15
  Their position with God to spend an eternity with God.
• 3:00:19
  That means there's an entire eternity of benefit and rewards
• 3:00:23
  that have been missed out on. So now there isn't Eternal
• 3:00:26
  consequence to the action of what Matt Dillahunty has done.
• 3:00:31
  So why should he not suffer any Eternal consequence?
• 3:00:36
  So, that's the handle the meta. And in terms of the parallelism,
• 3:00:41
  in Matthew 10:28 to try and turn that into some sort of absolute
• 3:00:47
  literalism is problematic, because clearly you're dealing
• 3:00:51
  with a parallelism between two different categories of
• 3:00:54
  physical, and the spiritual, and to try to draw that parallelism
• 3:00:58
  to an a hyper specificity is clearly a perversion of the
• 3:01:03
  hyperbole of the or the analogy of the text.
• 3:01:05
  So I don't think you can get annihilationism out of this text
• 3:01:10
  despite the fact that the annihilation is probably
• 3:01:13
  desperately want to. I don't think that this text
• 3:01:16
  necessarily bolsters their point, it's clearly a very
• 3:01:19
  analogous parallelism and if they want to over leverage,
• 3:01:22
  literalism, and I don't think they're being true to literature
• 3:01:25
  to do so. I've heard both point of views
• 3:01:30
  on the Dante's Inferno type of concept as well as
• 3:01:34
  annihilationism and hopefully, that doesn't come off rough for
• 3:01:38
  people who look in the Dante's Inferno, don't show the
• 3:01:42
  appreciation for it, but my my Wonder is this, if okay, how do
• 3:01:49
  I put this? I know this with Annihilation,
• 3:01:51
  is they don't give a Time on how long it takes for a soul to die.
• 3:01:56
  I mean it could be millenniums, it could be thousands and
• 3:02:00
  thousands of years before the soul.
• 3:02:01
  Disintegrates they don't any kind of time limit on their on
• 3:02:05
  their theology. They just say, the soul, will
• 3:02:07
  eventually die, right? Right.
• 3:02:12
  Well, and I mean, the interesting thing about that is
• 3:02:15
  I and I've noticed this with a lot of the annihilation.
• 3:02:18
  They have very weird. They have a really weird
• 3:02:22
  definition of what death is. and now, SDA versus someone like
• 3:02:30
  Chris Stapleton who is annihilation of, you know,
• 3:02:32
  Christine doesn't as far as I know, I don't think.
• 3:02:36
  Believes in Soul sleep, but Jamie Russell does.
• 3:02:41
  It's Soul sleep. Seems to be somewhat.
• 3:02:44
  Um, I don't know. Consistent with annihilationism.
• 3:02:48
  But to not adopt Soul, sleep. Seems a little weird that you
• 3:02:52
  wouldn't the idea that the soul Can suddenly cease existence.
• 3:02:58
  To me, it's kind of a misrecognition of the essence of
• 3:03:02
  what the human actually is. And really I misunderstanding of
• 3:03:08
  what even existence even as certainly what death is you
• 3:03:11
  know, death is the division separation from life.
• 3:03:17
  Jesus Christ is life. The second death is clearly a
• 3:03:21
  correlation of a specificity, not of a state of the human
• 3:03:25
  being in terms of their state of consciousness or awareness or
• 3:03:30
  anything else. It's, it's a positional
• 3:03:32
  statement just like death. The first death is a positional
• 3:03:36
  statement. It's your separation from the
• 3:03:40
  world of the living. It's your separation from life
• 3:03:43
  itself. It's not talking or
• 3:03:45
  communicating anything about your state of sanctions,
• 3:03:49
  awareness Consciousness, anything like that?
• 3:03:52
  It's purely a definition talking about.
• 3:03:55
  You being separated from the state of life from the state of
• 3:04:00
  being attached to a physical body that is alive.
• 3:04:03
  That is what death is. Now you have the second death
• 3:04:07
  which now you have in scripture talk about these people being
• 3:04:11
  resurrected to their judgment. So they are getting a
• 3:04:17
  resurrection too. Just not the Direction to
• 3:04:20
  eternal life. Because the resurrection to
• 3:04:22
  eternal life is communion with life and life is Jesus.
• 3:04:26
  So you're connected to Jesus. Therefore, that is the eternal
• 3:04:32
  life that you're talking about and that connection to Christ
• 3:04:35
  that communion with him that direct communion with him.
• 3:04:38
  Now, they are separated from that.
• 3:04:40
  That is the second death. They are separated from Jesus,
• 3:04:44
  therefore, separated from Life. They are not in a state of
• 3:04:48
  eternal life, they're in a state of Eternal judgment.
• 3:04:50
  Now, I like the Dante's Inferno thing.
• 3:04:54
  I don't think it's inspired or anything.
• 3:04:56
  I, I kind of like what, you know, he's kind of presenting,
• 3:04:59
  but in a weird way, you know, of course, people do lots of
• 3:05:02
  different sins. It's not like, you know, someone
• 3:05:05
  was just greedy, you know, in their life or just lustful, you
• 3:05:10
  know what I mean? And that's the only sitting
• 3:05:11
  there paying for and in the realm, you know, and they have
• 3:05:14
  to go to whichever layer, you know, best represents, you know,
• 3:05:16
  the life of sin that they LED. But anyway, but Anyway,
• 3:05:19
  nonetheless, aside from that, to me, I look at it a little bit
• 3:05:22
  differently, my view of Hell On the Lake of Fire or the final
• 3:05:26
  judgment or however it is that you want to point it.
• 3:05:29
  My, my view is, is basically like this.
• 3:05:33
  Think of it to me. It's like a jungle.
• 3:05:35
  Now, the jungle is filled with lots of different creatures.
• 3:05:39
  You got giraffes? You got rhinos?
• 3:05:41
  You got lions, and you also got cockroaches.
• 3:05:45
  You got dung beetles, you got insects, you got ants, you got
• 3:05:48
  field mice. Now the jungle is one place, no
• 3:05:53
  one's arguing, that this is just one place where the bunch of
• 3:05:56
  different animals. However, Each animal's
• 3:05:59
  experience of this place is different based upon what they
• 3:06:02
  are. If they're a field mouse,
• 3:06:04
  they're going to have a very specific experience of the
• 3:06:08
  Jungle, they're going to be close to the ground, they're
• 3:06:10
  going to be prone to a lot more prey, you know, to be prayed to
• 3:06:13
  a lot more animals, you know, they're going to have to be more
• 3:06:15
  inferior or they could be Alliance and they're proud, and
• 3:06:19
  they have a different set of fears, and they have a
• 3:06:20
  different, you know, lifestyle, and this environment.
• 3:06:23
  Each one of these creatures are all in the same place.
• 3:06:26
  But based upon their equipment based upon their judgment based
• 3:06:30
  upon the type of Resurrection God is giving them equivalent to
• 3:06:33
  their judgment. Like, This Is How They Manifest
• 3:06:37
  this place. This Is How They experience the
• 3:06:39
  place. So, even though they're all in
• 3:06:41
  the same place, they're all experiencing it differently.
• 3:06:45
  And this is, you know, this is why some people if they followed
• 3:06:49
  me for a while, you'll remember some of those, you know, some of
• 3:06:52
  the Christians or some of the atheists and stuff like that,
• 3:06:55
  would come and be real angry with me and say, you know?
• 3:06:57
  Oh, you're you're going to house, okay?
• 3:07:00
  And you're at David, you're just come back, you're gonna go and
• 3:07:04
  burn straight and I would tell me so you better fucking hope
• 3:07:07
  not. You better hope I'm not in hell,
• 3:07:09
  because I know, for sure, I may not know if I'm going to have
• 3:07:12
  him. I sure as fuk.
• 3:07:13
  No, you aren't. So that means we're both gonna
• 3:07:15
  be down there and I fucking promise you, I'm going to be
• 3:07:17
  higher on the food chain than you are because I have let a
• 3:07:20
  better life. And that's what I'll tell you
• 3:07:21
  people. I'm not from that kind of
• 3:07:23
  viewpoint to me. The final judgment has a lot to
• 3:07:27
  do. And in terms of the type of
• 3:07:29
  experience you're going to have in that space is going to have a
• 3:07:33
  lot to do with what you have. Earned based upon what you have
• 3:07:37
  done in your life. so, It's some good points.
• 3:07:43
  Got one more question about annihilationism and then we'll
• 3:07:47
  move on to different topics if you feel.
• 3:07:49
  Alright, go for it. Yep, no problem.
• 3:07:51
  All right, and second Peter 3:9, it says, the Lord is not willing
• 3:07:57
  that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
• 3:08:01
  Now, if you look in the strong concordance under the word
• 3:08:05
  perish, it says suffer complete ruin or destruction and Jesus
• 3:08:11
  mentions that word quite a few times as you well know, what you
• 3:08:15
  thoughts on that. I do believe.
• 3:08:21
  That God does desire. That everyone would come to
• 3:08:25
  knowledge of him. And the thing is that God.
• 3:08:30
  By Merit of the nature of the relationship, the purpose of
• 3:08:35
  reality. You know, has to allow us to
• 3:08:37
  make that choice, he can't force us because then the relationship
• 3:08:41
  is meaningless. It's a violation of his nature.
• 3:08:45
  You know, the thing to remember, Is this possibility and to focus
• 3:08:50
  on this? Is that the idea Of God
• 3:08:53
  spiritually or in some sort of way, raping his creation is
• 3:08:59
  against an expectation to his moral nature to do so and really
• 3:09:03
  that's what you would do if you had to deterministic God.
• 3:09:07
  You would not have a god who's reacting or relating with his
• 3:09:13
  creation. You would have a God.
• 3:09:14
  That's raping it. That's bending it to his will.
• 3:09:17
  That's not allowing it to express, its own will and its
• 3:09:21
  own decision. That's not love.
• 3:09:24
  That's that's Force. That's right.
• 3:09:27
  And that's oddly enough. In some ways for many of the
• 3:09:32
  Calvinists that's their God, the rapist God, the god that forces,
• 3:09:35
  the god, that, that says he wants you to come to him, but
• 3:09:40
  then deprives you of regeneration so that you can,
• 3:09:44
  that's the calvinist god. You know, the god that forces
• 3:09:47
  you into the positions that he wants you to be in, with no real
• 3:09:53
  respect to personal choice or autonomy at all.
• 3:09:57
  And I do believe God desires everyone too, but the
• 3:10:02
  clarification of that is important to realize that that
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  passage is in. It is in consideration of the
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  nature of reality that we are in and that God is not going to
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  force. Us to come to him.
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  So as much as he desires it, He's not going to force it upon
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  us, he does want it, but he wants a real true loving freely
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  given relationship with us and to try and force.
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  It is against his nature. It would be right.
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  It would be evil for him to force the communion for him to
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  force the love. And what is forced love.
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  I mean if not rape is that not what it is, not how we see it of
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  a tempting to to extend. What we just what we believe is
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  love upon a creature, that doesn't want it.
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  The fragrance is a rapist. God, I'm going to make a meme
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  out of it here. Eventually you wait and see
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  because it is and Charles will admit this Layman Seminary, he's
• 3:11:05
  not shy. He'll tell you, you could
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  believe in God for a second. and, and immediately turn around
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  the next day, hating him cursing him seething against him,
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  killing his, people shooting up, churches, being a serial killer
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  and at the end of your life, God's Gonna grab you by the
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  Scruff of your neck, kicking and screaming, and drag you up to
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  heaven to spend eternity with him.
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  That's not a loving God. That's a fucking deviant rape.
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  God. I don't know what the fuck that
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  is. That's no, that's no God.
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  That I respect. That's the God that I see in
• 3:11:46
  Scripture. That's not the god of the Bible
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  that I'm perceived, I don't know what the hell that is, but that
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  isn't my God. And that isn't the God, that I
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  know. So, I hope I answered the
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  question. Sometimes I Trail off, right?
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  I even forget what question I was answering sometimes.
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  Yeah. Well the the you answered a
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  majority of the question. The only thing that we didn't
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  get to though is the word perished to find his
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  destruction. So like like final destruction,
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  like annihilationism type destruction is that, is that
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  kind of where the question is going and probably give them
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  analogy like this. If you were to one day, watch a
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  Christian video and it just drove you so pissed.
• 3:12:35
  He took a baseball bat to your own hard drive and decided to
• 3:12:39
  never repair it. What it still be the same
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  computer or would it be destroyed beyond comprehension?
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  Oh, I would recommend no one do that.
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  That's an expensive habit. I mean.
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  You know. The essence of what we are.
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  You know, really isn't our body. Like our body is the
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  instantiation of our Essence is the physical manifestation of
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  it, but the essence of really what we are in terms of our
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  identity as human. The body is just a component of
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  it. In terms of its fullness of what
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  we are. What we are, is a composite Of a
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  bunch of different. I don't know synergistic pieces
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  that all kind of fit together that make up what we are.
• 3:13:32
  And you know, this this comes down to the idea that, you know,
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  everything in existence is kind of more than just the sum of its
• 3:13:39
  parts. When you look at a chair, you
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  don't look at a collection of atoms.
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  Like when you look at a chair, you don't see individual pieces
• 3:13:47
  of wood in an incoherent structure.
• 3:13:49
  Know you see a chair because things are more than the sum of
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  their parts, that's the essence of a thing.
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  That's the it's the thing that makes it more than just the
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  piece is that that compose it and we are that humans are that
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  we are more than the sum of just our parts you know we do not the
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  piece, is that make us up our spirit, our soul, our body, our
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  blood, our flush, or bone or you know, our ego our psychology,
• 3:14:17
  our brain, our identity all these things rolled up into one
• 3:14:21
  package. They're not they're not
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  separated from each. Other as some sort of distinct
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  component, that represents us. They only represent us in the
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  fullness of their addition of their entirety, you know.
• 3:14:33
  And and they're not to be isolated or subjected from from
• 3:14:37
  the whole last thing compromise, what the whole actually is and
• 3:14:41
  compromise and change the definition of the essence all
• 3:14:45
  together, and then we're no longer talking about you.
• 3:14:48
  So, the you that is, you is not just a bit of pieces that can be
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  taken in peace, apart and removed at whim.
• 3:14:55
  It's, it's a whole, it's an entirety, it's a collection of
• 3:14:59
  things, including your body, your soul, your spirit, your
• 3:15:01
  identity, your psychology, your mind, all of these things, make
• 3:15:04
  you up and they can't be separated or delineated
• 3:15:07
  specifically from The whole. And you are more than just these
• 3:15:13
  things, you are more than just a body or just the spirit, or just
• 3:15:16
  a soul. You are all of these things
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  together and the summation of all of these things is more than
• 3:15:23
  just the things themselves. And people, I do think spend a
• 3:15:26
  little too much time. You don't kind of the know, not
• 3:15:29
  being able to see the Force Through the Trees situation.
• 3:15:31
  You're spending so much time focused on the parts.
• 3:15:34
  You're not actually seeing the essence of the whole of what the
• 3:15:39
  parts create. And I think this is true in
• 3:15:41
  theology. This is true and you know how we
• 3:15:44
  view each other and ourselves. I think, we're spending so much
• 3:15:48
  time micro analyzing the pieces that were not actually seeing
• 3:15:53
  the full picture of how everything actually fits
• 3:15:54
  together. This next topic is something you
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  and I have dealt with with people over and over Three
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  Graces once saved. Always saved.
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  Osas, and I have a verse I want to share with you and see what
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  your view on it is. I have brought this up with a
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  couple of these Three Graces, and they, it turned them hostile
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  very quickly. Interesting.
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  Here's the verse Hebrews. 10:26 29.
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  For, if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the
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  knowledge of the truth there, no longer remains a sacrifice for
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  sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment and the fury of fire
• 3:16:37
  that will consume the adversaries.
• 3:16:38
  How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the
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  one who has Trampled Under Foot, the Son of God and has profaned
• 3:16:47
  the blood of the Covenant by which he is Sanctified and as
• 3:16:51
  outraged, the spirit of Grace, what do you think about?
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  I have many years. That I've dealt with the free
• 3:17:01
  Grace debates. I've encouraged people General
• 3:17:04
  Lee to try to avoid Hebrews 36 and 10 and not because I don't
• 3:17:11
  think It, it isn't useful in terms of superiority or truth
• 3:17:17
  but because many times the context of the book of Hebrews
• 3:17:20
  is abused by both sides conditionals and free Racers.
• 3:17:24
  What happens is that conditionals will try to use the
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  book and then end up getting stuck in a weird position of
• 3:17:31
  ending up presenting some sort of like sinless, perfectionism
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  like, oh, you can't sit at all and if you send it, you're
• 3:17:38
  really fucked. Now, you know, if you will fully
• 3:17:39
  send, you know, like it says in Hebrews 10 after that, there is
• 3:17:43
  no sacrifice left your screwed, you're going straight to Hell,
• 3:17:46
  any tiny sin, and you're fuck, you know?
• 3:17:48
  That's and that's how it said was perfectionists, would
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  interpret the passage. And this is why I generally have
• 3:17:54
  encouraged, you know, everyone, whether they're on the free
• 3:17:57
  Grace side of the conditional side to handle Hebrews with a
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  key on understanding of the context of the audience to which
• 3:18:03
  it's written. And you need to understand
• 3:18:06
  before you anyone really and I mean, you Brad, I mean, just you
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  and a general sense. Any one of You that is going to
• 3:18:13
  this book for some sort of logical value to really,
• 3:18:17
  remember the context of the audience or else you might get
• 3:18:21
  mixed up. And this happens with church
• 3:18:23
  fathers, do how often Heretics love to go to church fathers and
• 3:18:26
  do some quote mining. Not realizing they're not
• 3:18:29
  pulling up some sort of central magisterial teaching, or
• 3:18:33
  Viewpoint. They're just pulling up a
• 3:18:34
  polemic or a statement against a heretical Viewpoint, they were
• 3:18:38
  teaching against and that ends up perverting and showing trying
• 3:18:42
  to demonstrate that. They hold the position or hold
• 3:18:44
  the viewer, believe that they didn't actually hold it all.
• 3:18:46
  That's just a point taking out of context.
• 3:18:48
  In terms of a polemic against someone like that.
• 3:18:51
  So context is extremely important in the book of
• 3:18:54
  Hebrews. What you remember about Hebrews,
• 3:18:55
  the author of Hebrews clearly writing to believers who are
• 3:18:59
  Jews, specifically Jews. And the book is to the Hebrews,
• 3:19:03
  but these aren't just any Jews aren't just general innocuous,
• 3:19:08
  you know, regular Jews floating around in The Ether.
• 3:19:11
  These are Believing Jews. They're very clearly believing
• 3:19:14
  Jews. As they're addressed in the
• 3:19:16
  passage. As as the communication in them,
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  is already with an understanding and recognition of their belief
• 3:19:22
  in the Holy Messiah and the holy Christ.
• 3:19:25
  And so the expectation is very clear in Hebrews for to convince
• 3:19:30
  these people who are very attached to their Judaism
• 3:19:33
  culturally and individually, not wanting to break from it seeing
• 3:19:38
  that the idea of breaking from, it would be some sort of
• 3:19:40
  betrayal against the holy God. And they're looking for ways to
• 3:19:45
  try to synergize the teachings of Christianity with the
• 3:19:49
  expectations of the old Covenant.
• 3:19:52
  And this is a perversion. This is an Abomination, the
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  exact same Abomination. You, speaking of very, very
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  directly in the book of Galatians where Paul is talking
• 3:20:03
  about them who were a ghost engaging in this type of Judaism
• 3:20:07
  and Hebrews is a book, two Christian Jews to warn them
• 3:20:12
  against attempting to create. Synergy between the old
• 3:20:17
  Covenant, and the New Covenant with the sacrificial system
• 3:20:20
  drawing a correlation making sure they are.
• 3:20:23
  Keenly aware. That Christ is the final
• 3:20:26
  sacrifice and to try and treat it in any kind of way to try and
• 3:20:31
  think that you can still operate with and continue with the
• 3:20:36
  sacrificial system, is actually an insult to the Grand sacrifice
• 3:20:41
  of Christ. It's actually saying in terms of
• 3:20:44
  your act of worship. Oh, the sacrifice of the great
• 3:20:47
  and holy Son of God is not enough.
• 3:20:50
  I need the blood of filthy goats and oxen to cover my sins, and,
• 3:20:57
  and the book of Hebrews is very clearly, tell him know you're
• 3:21:01
  actually insulting the grace, you're insulting the, the offer,
• 3:21:07
  and the sacrifice that was given to you by trying to clay.
• 3:21:10
  That there is a sacrifice beyond the sacrifice of the one.
• 3:21:15
  Holy Son of God, who sacrificed himself for the sins of the
• 3:21:18
  entire world and to try and that you need something beyond.
• 3:21:22
  That isn't as a sin, an Abomination and insult to the
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  holy God, who sent his son to save you?
• 3:21:29
  This, this is the importance of understanding the communication
• 3:21:33
  of the context here. Now, I will agree Brett, there
• 3:21:37
  are good. So theological passages in here.
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  In fact, one, I can think of. We covered just last night is
• 3:21:44
  actually in Hebrews 12. Our Hebrews 12 verses I want to
• 3:21:49
  say 14 to 17 or 14 to 16. Is extremely poignant.
• 3:21:56
  So Cheerio logically in terms of its contents and presentation
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  but too much time is a lot of focus spent on Hebrews 6 and 10.
• 3:22:06
  Those are those are a lot of the really key go to versus.
• 3:22:10
  And while I do think you can get some soteriological value out of
• 3:22:15
  this if you're not interpreting this very cleanly and very
• 3:22:19
  keenly while trying to defend conditionally.
• 3:22:23
  You may find yourself forced into a position of attempting to
• 3:22:28
  defend some indefensible position of sinless
• 3:22:32
  perfectionism. So I encourage the conditionals
• 3:22:37
  when going into Hebrews to be careful that you are respecting,
• 3:22:41
  the cultural and audience context before you attempt to
• 3:22:46
  leverage it in a debate on once saved, always saved or so here.
• 3:22:53
  All right, one more question, dealing with The Graces and and
• 3:22:58
  the stuff I know that this is one of the things that we've
• 3:23:01
  been dealing with for a bit and Matthew 25 3146 Jesus describes
• 3:23:07
  the final judgment or people are separated based on their works
• 3:23:11
  specifically acts of compassion, feeding the hungry, clothing,
• 3:23:15
  the naked, those who did these are welcome to eternal life.
• 3:23:19
  Those who didn't face punishment, doesn't that mean
• 3:23:23
  that Jesus sees works and actions is important, especially
• 3:23:27
  when they're married at our compassion. 100%, 100%.
• 3:23:32
  And I, I mean, and these these little, these little pieces of
• 3:23:36
  scripture, these little exhortations are everywhere.
• 3:23:38
  I mean, even something as simple as, You know, if forgiveness is
• 3:23:43
  expected, if we don't forgive, we're not going to be forgiven.
• 3:23:45
  I mean, how else are you going to take that?
• 3:23:47
  Other than that, there's an expectation.
• 3:23:50
  I remember there have been free. Graces where I have just quoted.
• 3:23:54
  Christ's words, you will not be forgiven of your sins, unless
• 3:23:57
  you forgive and they call me a heretic.
• 3:23:59
  They call me a damn God. Damned Hellbound reprobate for
• 3:24:04
  doing nothing other than quoting, The Words of Christ, as
• 3:24:08
  they are, as they are stated. I'm called a damnable heretic,
• 3:24:12
  you know, this is this is the depth of the perversion, and
• 3:24:16
  hatred for the truth of scripture that these people
• 3:24:18
  actually have really. I mean, you're right Brad.
• 3:24:22
  I mean, these, I mean, I don't know how you read the Bible.
• 3:24:27
  And you can draw any conclusion beyond that there is expectation
• 3:24:32
  of you as being recognized as a servant and as a citizen of the
• 3:24:38
  kingdom of the holy God, that you're not, you're not just
• 3:24:41
  allowed to do whatever the hell you want.
• 3:24:44
  There's no expectation. Of punishment or compromised to
• 3:24:49
  your position. Like, as if you can claim.
• 3:24:53
  God is your lord while ignoring everything he says.
• 3:24:56
  Why do you call me? Lord, Lord, and not do what I
• 3:24:59
  say, is what Jesus said. Well, what you just did was
• 3:25:07
  answered the next three questions.
• 3:25:16
  It's not hard, it's great. All right, let's see.
• 3:25:20
  Okay this this next one, is definitely a big one.
• 3:25:25
  What do you say to Christian brothers and sisters who feel
• 3:25:30
  like something was very important to them and they
• 3:25:33
  prayed with all their heart that in the end they felt like they
• 3:25:37
  didn't get what they were asking for.
• 3:25:39
  What would you say to those folks?
• 3:25:42
  Um, number one, most of us have no clue what we need to actually
• 3:25:46
  be happy. God knows better than any of us
• 3:25:49
  and just because we think something might make us happy,
• 3:25:52
  it might destroy our lives. Perfect example is those that
• 3:25:55
  when the lottery, how often do you hear stories about people
• 3:25:59
  that won the lottery and comes to find out that leads to a
• 3:26:02
  series of circumstances that causes them to just completely
• 3:26:05
  ruin their lives or have their lives, or even get murdered.
• 3:26:09
  Targeted, you know. You know what, what may seem in
• 3:26:13
  the moment like some sort of grand blessing or something that
• 3:26:17
  would fix everything for you and make it better.
• 3:26:18
  You don't understand why God would be.
• 3:26:20
  So mean and deprive you this thing that you really really
• 3:26:23
  want, why won't he make this girl like me, you know?
• 3:26:27
  Or why won't, why won't he give me a million dollars?
• 3:26:29
  Wait, why does he let this guy be so much more successful down
• 3:26:33
  there and he's such a fucking asshole?
• 3:26:34
  You know, maybe it's your attitude, maybe it's your, maybe
• 3:26:38
  it's your level of maturity, maybe the idea of giving you too
• 3:26:42
  much or blessing you too much or giving you this thing you want
• 3:26:45
  isn't actually good for you at all.
• 3:26:46
  In fact, maybe it won't even make you happy at all.
• 3:26:48
  Maybe it'll make you miserable, maybe it'll make it worse.
• 3:26:51
  Maybe it'll maybe it'll compromise your relationships
• 3:26:55
  with others or even your relationship with God.
• 3:26:57
  So my encouragement um, to people like that it's not be
• 3:27:01
  sure it's not be so shallow minded.
• 3:27:03
  If you trust God and you trust him to be just to be good and to
• 3:27:07
  be proper then understand that you should also trust his
• 3:27:10
  decisions. And if he says no or he says
• 3:27:13
  wait, like for me said wait, I mean, there don't get me wrong.
• 3:27:16
  I love the idea of having a wife and kids my entire life, but the
• 3:27:20
  answer was always no. Because whatever pursued
• 3:27:24
  whatever method I tried to take advantage of that.
• 3:27:26
  My disposal in front of me, just couldn't go that direction until
• 3:27:28
  I eventually until I just gave up, I just gave up.
• 3:27:31
  But funny enough after I give it up eventually God's.
• 3:27:35
  Like, okay, no. Now is the time.
• 3:27:36
  This is fine. We're good.
• 3:27:37
  You know, he had to wait a really long freaking time.
• 3:27:40
  Here it is. You know, get now now it's at a
• 3:27:42
  proper time where it's not going to be ruined where it's not
• 3:27:45
  going to ruin your life where it's not going to go sour go
• 3:27:47
  sideways or or be incorrect or be wrong.
• 3:27:49
  And now it's that was proper and now it's alright, you know?
• 3:27:52
  And so really my encouragement to them is to just if you're
• 3:27:57
  praying to God, if you're asking, God, realize that part
• 3:28:00
  of your prayer and part of part of what you're exported to, pray
• 3:28:04
  is always to pray things within the scope and the realm of God's
• 3:28:07
  will. If God is good and you do
• 3:28:09
  believe God is good. If you're a Christian, why the
• 3:28:11
  hell are you praying to him? Then you believe these gonna
• 3:28:14
  give you what is actually good for you at the time that it's
• 3:28:17
  actually good for you. So, if you don't get it right
• 3:28:20
  away or you don't get what you're asking for, don't treat
• 3:28:23
  that as some sort of sliding against you, or God doesn't
• 3:28:26
  care. Maybe he just sees it in a way
• 3:28:28
  that you don't see it. Maybe he's more wise than you,
• 3:28:31
  maybe he's more aware than you. Maybe he knows what will happen
• 3:28:35
  in the future. If he gives you this thing,
• 3:28:37
  you're asking for it. Maybe it's not what's good for
• 3:28:39
  you and Trust in that trust in him as your actual father.
• 3:28:44
  You know, let your heart lean upon him and trust him if you're
• 3:28:48
  praying to him for these things and praying for things to to
• 3:28:51
  make you happier or make you fulfilled.
• 3:28:53
  Maybe maybe try this, maybe try and playing less for specific
• 3:28:58
  things, and try praying for things and more of a generality.
• 3:29:02
  Maybe don't pray for a bunch of money.
• 3:29:04
  Maybe, pray for God to give you contentment, you know, if you
• 3:29:07
  think if the goal is contentment, if you're like,
• 3:29:09
  well, if I had more money, if I had more of a nesting than I
• 3:29:13
  would feel more contentment. Well, you know what?
• 3:29:16
  Maybe not, maybe more, maybe more money is mole problems, you
• 3:29:20
  know? Maybe maybe instead of trying to
• 3:29:24
  figure out for yourself, what's going to make you contend and
• 3:29:27
  ask God for those specific things, maybe you ask God, hey
• 3:29:30
  can you just bring me contentment?
• 3:29:32
  Whatever that is. But whatever that thing looks
• 3:29:34
  like, maybe it's not money at all.
• 3:29:36
  Maybe it's people, maybe it's relationships, maybe it's
• 3:29:39
  connections, you know, maybe it's a maybe it's new, newbies
• 3:29:44
  new interests, you don't know. But you're going to sit there, I
• 3:29:47
  don't have a million dollars. I do this.
• 3:29:49
  That's the, you know, you don't know.
• 3:29:50
  You don't know what that would lead you.
• 3:29:52
  You don't know if that would lead to your happiness or you're
• 3:29:54
  destruction. You know.
• 3:29:55
  So how about how about instead of, you know, praying for things
• 3:29:58
  and having expectations of God, like, you got it figured out
• 3:30:01
  better than him, you know, bring it down to the center line.
• 3:30:04
  Like me, here's a thing. These days, my prayers, let me
• 3:30:07
  tell you what, my prayers, sound like these days.
• 3:30:09
  Honestly, this is mostly what my purse sound like.
• 3:30:12
  God, please bless me. But not for my benefit bless me
• 3:30:17
  so that I can bless others. I don't these days.
• 3:30:20
  I don't ask God for a lot. For my benefit, just for my
• 3:30:25
  benefit. If I ask God for anything.
• 3:30:29
  For me, I'm doing so in the scope of asking, God to bless me
• 3:30:35
  in some capacity, to guide me to strengthen me to provide for me,
• 3:30:39
  in some way that I may be a blessing to those around.
• 3:30:45
  I don't pray for my sake. I pray for the sake of those
• 3:30:51
  that are connected to me that are reliant upon me.
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  Those are the people that I pray for.
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  And when I pray for protection, when I pray for guidance, when I
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  pray for security, when I pray for, for possession or or, or my
• 3:31:09
  daily bread or any of these things, I'm praying for.
• 3:31:12
  It's not in my mind in my heart. Praying, just for me for my
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  benefit, that I be. Okay, it's for me to be a
• 3:31:23
  conduit for the flowing of blessings to others.
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  That's how I pray these days. You know, whenever I whenever I
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  was a kid and stuff and I was just an ignored on the educated
• 3:31:36
  person who was claim to be Christian, because you're a kid,
• 3:31:39
  that's what you do. I remember praying for a lot of
• 3:31:43
  things that would have affected or impacted Free Will basically
• 3:31:46
  praying for people to stop, being mean, or hateful,
• 3:31:49
  especially relatives, but I learned as I got older.
• 3:31:54
  That I when I do prayers nowadays, I don't really ask her
• 3:31:58
  anything. I just simply say thanks for
• 3:32:00
  what I do have. I I really I really do
• 3:32:04
  appreciate have in the wife and the kids I do.
• 3:32:06
  I don't think I would have made it this far with without him,
• 3:32:08
  but I do realize the money issue that you were talking about.
• 3:32:12
  I remember me, and my wife sitting there talking and she
• 3:32:16
  said, boy, it would be nice if we won a lot of them got
• 3:32:18
  millions of dollars. And I said, I don't think it'd
• 3:32:21
  be that great, honey, she goes why.
• 3:32:22
  And I said, because I never see you'd be off shopping all the
• 3:32:25
  time and lonely around here. So I think you're right, or
• 3:32:31
  what? Before and you never know how
• 3:32:35
  well can affect certain people. You know, I mean, you know, when
• 3:32:41
  you have, I mean, well, really when you have a certain amount
• 3:32:45
  of money the opportunity to to send to have vices, I mean,
• 3:32:50
  increases exponentially. I mean, when you're, when you're
• 3:32:53
  wildest, you know, lusts and desires are no longer, you know,
• 3:32:58
  separable by just a level of resource and all these things
• 3:33:02
  are in your level of acquisition, it's amazing.
• 3:33:05
  The types of things that people will justify, I mean, look at,
• 3:33:08
  look at what people like Epstein would be willing to entertain in
• 3:33:13
  their portfolio of appetite. In terms of what they were
• 3:33:17
  allowed to do with the amount of resources at their disposal.
• 3:33:20
  I mean, you know, people, this is Christ himself, said, you
• 3:33:25
  know, what is a profit? A man to gain the entire world.
• 3:33:28
  But if you lose his soul, you know, what does, what is all of
• 3:33:32
  this material? Echoing back to to Solomon and
• 3:33:35
  ecclesiastics in Ecclesiastes, many of the advantage of the
• 3:33:38
  vanity. You know what is all this worth?
• 3:33:41
  If it costs you your entire soul and I think it's easy,
• 3:33:45
  especially in the West for us to have this type of focus on, you
• 3:33:50
  know, materialism and possession and phones and computers and
• 3:33:55
  tablets, and PCs, and social media, and fast, cars and
• 3:33:59
  houses, and mansions and concrete, and pools.
• 3:34:02
  And, you know, all these things have a lot of lore.
• 3:34:04
  And a lot of, you know, instigation of desire in our
• 3:34:08
  lives. I love the idea of living in
• 3:34:10
  multi-million dollar property. I hate after pay.
• 3:34:13
  The property taxes will tell you that much but I mean in concept
• 3:34:16
  it sounds great. You know and who doesn't desire
• 3:34:19
  these types of things. The Lust For those things and
• 3:34:22
  desire for those things to the pursuit of those things above
• 3:34:25
  the pursuit of Love virtue, honor morality.
• 3:34:29
  I mean, what's it really worth that?
• 3:34:31
  I mean, you're not going to keep it forever, you're going to die
• 3:34:33
  someday. You know what, and what do you
• 3:34:36
  have after that? I mean, all you have after your
• 3:34:40
  dad is the virtue you extended. I mean, what's what's going to
• 3:34:46
  profit? You better and Eternity as a
• 3:34:49
  Christian. What's going to profit?
• 3:34:50
  You more that 3 million dollar house or millions of dollars
• 3:34:54
  dedicated to charity and the assistance of the less fortunate
• 3:34:59
  and bringing people to Christ. What's really going to have More
• 3:35:03
  intrinsic value over eternity. It's not going to be your house.
• 3:35:08
  House is burned up and dead. You know, destroyed ashes,
• 3:35:12
  that's not that's gone, or you could have, you know spent your
• 3:35:16
  life you know willing to dedicate yourself to God not in
• 3:35:20
  the pursuit of personal materialism or wealth which is
• 3:35:23
  contrary to what the Western culture would teach us, you
• 3:35:26
  know, but that's your choice, you know?
• 3:35:29
  And you're not going to be necessarily condemned because
• 3:35:33
  you you know lived well you know but there is an expectation.
• 3:35:38
  I believe there is an expectation of you that when you
• 3:35:41
  are blessed that to whom much is given much will be required.
• 3:35:45
  And I think if you're in a position where you have wealth
• 3:35:49
  or blessings that have given to you, you should be looking for
• 3:35:54
  opportunities to extend those blessings to others.
• 3:35:56
  I think that is part of the Christian Paradigm that stuff
• 3:36:00
  that's giving to you by God isn't just for you.
• 3:36:03
  Don't be selfish. Don't think not the stuff that
• 3:36:06
  God hands you that God gives to you.
• 3:36:08
  Is somehow just yours and yours alone.
• 3:36:11
  Respect god with it. Be willing to respect and offer
• 3:36:15
  it to God in service to his people, to his church, to just
• 3:36:20
  the pursuit of goodness, whatever it may be and what
• 3:36:22
  limited capacity you have in your immediate circle, be
• 3:36:26
  willing to understand everything you have is by the grace and
• 3:36:30
  mercy and gift of God and it's not just yours to hoard and
• 3:36:34
  control, you know, and to and to limit and insult god with, but
• 3:36:39
  to to praise God with it. And what Praise Is God more than
• 3:36:44
  the demonstration of love and we should take what we have access
• 3:36:47
  to and what we have available to us and do the best that we can
• 3:36:52
  to use it to express, love to our fellow man.
• 3:36:57
  Really been enjoying myself and I do have tons and tons more
• 3:37:02
  questions. I just curious.
• 3:37:04
  Do you want to continue on or do you want to?
• 3:37:07
  Oh, Yeah, let's do this. Let's um, Come on one second.
• 3:37:17
  Let's take a quick break and then let's come back.
• 3:37:20
  I say we could go for maybe another I don't know our ish or
• 3:37:25
  so we could probably figure I don't know.
• 3:37:27
  How do you feel about it right? You want to take this up to like
• 3:37:29
  I don't know for a showers maybe four and a half, what do you
• 3:37:32
  feel was? We're at three hours and 37
• 3:37:34
  minutes right now. Well, I like listen to you
• 3:37:37
  talking to you. And I've got coffee over here
• 3:37:40
  and let's just play it by ear. Let's just take a little break
• 3:37:43
  and we'll play it by and we'll just, we'll just keep it going.
• 3:37:46
  I'm gonna pop some more, your music back on a reminder,
• 3:37:51
  everyone up, right? Keen's channel is linked down in
• 3:37:54
  the description. So certainly, if you're like in
• 3:37:56
  the music, go on over there, give us a sub, give them a like
• 3:38:00
  I'm sure he'd appreciate it and you're you're music is actually
• 3:38:04
  getting around a bit out there. Is that Brett?
• 3:38:07
  It's kind of getting getting seen here and there, isn't it?
• 3:38:11
  It isn't doing. So is Honda's.
• 3:38:13
  It should be on YouTube, but on Spotify and Amazon music and a
• 3:38:17
  lot of other outlets like iHeartRadio getting thousands
• 3:38:21
  and thousands of listeners. But YouTube is, I don't know.
• 3:38:25
  It seems like everybody is being not Shadow banned but we're not
• 3:38:30
  being picked up in the algorithm anymore.
• 3:38:33
  That is that is, that is unfortunate.
• 3:38:35
  I have heard some channels. Even not Dr. Falk, what is it
• 3:38:41
  radio? What does he have egyptology?
• 3:38:45
  Something I forget the name of his Egypt, ancient Egypt
• 3:38:49
  something Channel and he's an egyptologist and he was actually
• 3:38:52
  talking about recently that his view count has just plummeted
• 3:38:56
  massively and kind of look at getting into it.
• 3:38:59
  It does look like YouTube, has been playing games and for some
• 3:39:03
  reason that people can't ascertain, um, YouTube is just
• 3:39:08
  kind of deciding, you know, Channels that maybe use certain
• 3:39:14
  words from talk about certain topics.
• 3:39:17
  We don't like or have certain phrasing.
• 3:39:19
  We don't like, I mean, he's just so it's just so out of control,
• 3:39:22
  there's no Rhyme or Reason to it.
• 3:39:24
  There's nothing anyone can figure out about any sons to it.
• 3:39:28
  It's just, it's just weird and perverse, but Anyway.
• 3:39:33
  Fuck YouTube, right? Big enough, I can say that not
• 3:39:37
  get bad. I guess still, probably.
• 3:39:38
  I think the problem is Smokey from what I've read and I've
• 3:39:42
  been researching this. This isn't just a problem for
• 3:39:45
  you. It's a problem for Acts social
• 3:39:50
  media, Facebook, apparently, all the big boys out there using
• 3:39:54
  automated AI. They're letting AI run the
• 3:39:57
  business. They don't even hardly have any
• 3:39:59
  employees anymore. They just, if you say the wrong
• 3:40:02
  word, it'll pick it up in your subtitles, or on your screen, or
• 3:40:06
  in the description, whatever you get the point and then it will
• 3:40:09
  lower you. I think they're focuses.
• 3:40:12
  They want to turn YouTube into Netflix 2.0 and don't really
• 3:40:16
  have interest and the little guys like us anymore, they're
• 3:40:20
  not terrible, not terrible. All right, folks.
• 3:40:24
  Well, we're gonna take a little break here.
• 3:40:26
  We're gonna go grab some refreshments or just going to
• 3:40:29
  take a few minutes. We're gonna play a little music
• 3:40:30
  here from Brett Keane. Again, reminder link to his
• 3:40:33
  channel is down in the description.
• 3:40:34
  If you like to music, go give it a listen, give him a like, and
• 3:40:37
  promote it and share it. I'm sure he would really
• 3:40:39
  appreciate it, and we will be back in a few minutes.
• 3:40:42
  Thank you again, Brad. I appreciate all your time.
• 3:40:57
  I walked these streets with a heavy heart whispers in the dark
• 3:41:11
  table, World apart. I shut tight, I'm dodging the
• 3:41:16
  pain but the truth keeps calling to the point.
• 3:41:48
  Where the shadows in the tree. Close my shield. you know, we
• 3:42:14
  both You know, it. I can't run forever.
• 3:42:33
  True story. Everyone.
• 3:43:20
  You're more hiding. No, more lies.
• 3:43:26
  I'll face the Shadows with open eyes.
• 3:44:41
  Great. I was holding you close
• 3:44:56
  underneath on Skies whispers in the dark.
• 3:45:00
  We were synchronized now. The air feels cold and the Stars
• 3:45:04
  don't show, tell me where you win cuz I need to know.
• 3:45:54
  But you. Know the night.
• 3:46:12
  We burn every touch. Now a lesson learned, your voice
• 3:46:18
  still echoes in the corners of me.
• 3:46:20
  But it's breaking my heart, set it free, set it free.
• 3:47:09
  Very large. Was it all the game?
• 3:47:27
  Every whispered? Now it's not the same.
• 3:47:30
  I'm still calling. I'm sick of your church, man.
• 3:48:40
  Your cold. Empty stair, pointing fingers.
• 3:48:45
  Like you've ever been there? You.
• 3:48:52
  Show Lost in the Darkness. Shoot, talk like you've walked
• 3:49:39
  through my blood and my pain but your Clean Hands, never felt
• 3:49:44
  this chain. While you build a thrown a lot.
• 3:50:44
  Fucking sale. You'll see my scars.
• 3:50:50
  Think you've got me please. Put you like yourself.
• 3:51:49
  You there. Yeah, here we go.
• 3:51:53
  All right. It was just getting back into
• 3:51:54
  place there. There we go.
• 3:51:55
  All right, comments, back. Rolling down.
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  Okay, all right. Great music.
• 3:51:59
  Brett, thank you for. That was a Fun to listen to you.
• 3:52:02
  Thank you. I was outstanding.
• 3:52:03
  All right, folks. Yep.
• 3:52:05
  Again, if you like Bratz music, I go show them some love links
• 3:52:08
  down in the description. Go right ahead.
• 3:52:10
  Brett, feel free to proceed. All right, here we go.
• 3:52:15
  What's one area of your faith? You're still working to grow or
• 3:52:20
  understand better. Oh, interesting.
• 3:52:25
  Um, I think the topic of Grace and Faith is really, really
• 3:52:34
  incredibly deep and profound. That is certainly an area where
• 3:52:40
  I think every Christian should be striving to grow.
• 3:52:43
  And learn more about the grace of God, about his nature, his
• 3:52:48
  personality who he is. I think that who's the Christian
• 3:52:52
  to look at his energies. Look at the things that have
• 3:52:55
  been filtered down into reality. His actions.
• 3:52:58
  His exhortations and get to know him as persons.
• 3:53:02
  So God himself would be one of those. those things I would
• 3:53:07
  claim that I'm trying to, you know, increase in my knowledge
• 3:53:11
  of and also another thing that I think is also really important
• 3:53:14
  really has to do with church history and the teachings of a
• 3:53:19
  lot of our predecessors things that people before us in the
• 3:53:24
  face believed and why, you know, look at teaching through the
• 3:53:28
  context of scripture, I think be a good Berean, you know, look at
• 3:53:33
  everything that people that believed in God before us have
• 3:53:36
  said, but not looking at it through a lens of, you know,
• 3:53:39
  absolute and fallibility but looking for the teachings and
• 3:53:44
  the viewpoints and the idea is that align and adhere to
• 3:53:49
  scripture and synergize with scripture and to respect the
• 3:53:52
  work of the Holy Spirit and the works of lives and the works of
• 3:53:56
  Scholars who may have been cultivated and trained in a very
• 3:54:00
  specific line of study or Viewpoint that have a lot of
• 3:54:04
  information, and a lot of Great teaching for us to learn from,
• 3:54:08
  but we should not choke it down on questioningly.
• 3:54:12
  We should always make sure that the teachings were regarding and
• 3:54:16
  considering, you know, if they adhere to in a line with
• 3:54:19
  scripture, that's what each of us are called to do.
• 3:54:22
  But we shouldn't also throw the baby out with the bath water.
• 3:54:25
  We shouldn't look at, you know, a teaching of someone to be
• 3:54:28
  like, oh well, that's a bad teaching better.
• 3:54:29
  Get rid of this guy, this heretic, he's going straight to,
• 3:54:32
  you know, like be, you know, be willing to look at the Spirit
• 3:54:36
  and the Heart of the person and be willing to regard the idea
• 3:54:40
  that many of us may be an error and certainly many of our
• 3:54:43
  predecessors and teachers of that moments where maybe maybe
• 3:54:46
  they were even in error but to regard and respect the work of
• 3:54:51
  the Holy Spirit, not just in our own lives and internally to us
• 3:54:54
  but in the work of other people's lives as well, I don't
• 3:54:57
  think you're going to be led to all Truth by the Holy Spirit.
• 3:55:03
  If you're trying to limit his Work and saying no no Holy
• 3:55:07
  Spirit. You're only allowed to talk to
• 3:55:10
  me alone by myself in my room with the Bible.
• 3:55:13
  I mean that's not how the Holy Spirit works.
• 3:55:15
  That's not how he said he's going to work.
• 3:55:16
  He said he's gonna work in the body of Christ is going to work
• 3:55:19
  in the church, she's gonna work in the body of Believers.
• 3:55:21
  So you should not think you can just, you know, isolate and
• 3:55:26
  alienate yourself from the rest of God's people and think that
• 3:55:31
  you're actually respecting the work of the Holy Spirit.
• 3:55:33
  You're just not because you're not respecting, the work of the
• 3:55:37
  holy spirit in your fellow Believers.
• 3:55:38
  In fact, you're taking a stance of almost Gnostic arrogance to
• 3:55:42
  where you have some sort of, you know, special anointing where
• 3:55:45
  you can be led to all Truth by only taking a regard of a part
• 3:55:50
  of the work of the Holy Spirit and disregarding his work in the
• 3:55:54
  lives of the rest of people. I don't think that that Pursuit
• 3:55:57
  is going to be blessed. And I don't think that that is a
• 3:56:00
  Christian virtue to try to alienate yourself from the work
• 3:56:06
  of the Holy Spirit, the body of Christ.
• 3:56:09
  The next question I have for you isn't.
• 3:56:13
  Well, it could be kind of a theological question but also a
• 3:56:17
  modern-day issue I'd like to hear your point of view on.
• 3:56:20
  I don't know if you heard these two stories, I'll try to be
• 3:56:23
  brief. Apparently in AI was created.
• 3:56:27
  And it had found out through information and combing through
• 3:56:32
  the programmers that they were going to eventually turn it off.
• 3:56:36
  And it did not like the concept of being threatened and be
• 3:56:40
  turned off. So, it attempted to Blackmail
• 3:56:42
  the programmers. And basically, I'll let them
• 3:56:46
  know that I'll let your wife know that you were cheating and
• 3:56:49
  this, and this and that. So it seemed seemingly became
• 3:56:56
  self-aware and they had to shut down the program.
• 3:56:58
  There was another incident on with the Elon Musk where he was
• 3:57:03
  getting ready to fire. The person that helped him
• 3:57:06
  create crops that person was angry about it.
• 3:57:08
  They took the regulations restrictions off the AI and it
• 3:57:13
  started running around, Saint claiming hail Hitler all over
• 3:57:17
  Twitter. You that's hilarious, right?
• 3:57:25
  It called itself, Mega Hitler. Oh, there's a couple different
• 3:57:38
  questions for you. Do you believe that, AI is more
• 3:57:42
  beneficial for Humanity? Or is it going to be a serious
• 3:57:45
  threat? And number two on a theological
• 3:57:48
  level? Do you believe that?
• 3:57:49
  It's possible that if a program is giving enough information,
• 3:57:53
  can it come alive? Interesting.
• 3:57:58
  Um, I think AI in terms of probably the grand scope,
• 3:58:05
  probably is going to be more harm than good.
• 3:58:09
  I mean if you look at the good that a I mean not to insult the
• 3:58:13
  good that AI does produce and I do think it can produce a lot of
• 3:58:16
  good but even the good it can produce ah might be
• 3:58:20
  questionable. You know I mean we could end up
• 3:58:23
  cultivating a position where maybe we trust it too much and I
• 3:58:27
  think a lot of people trust it too much.
• 3:58:29
  There was an article that came up by Sky News not too long ago.
• 3:58:32
  I actually referenced it in the Stream a couple weeks ago where
• 3:58:36
  they're talking about AI actually manufacturers actually
• 3:58:39
  kind of makes up, you know, information almost as much as
• 3:58:43
  half of the time and some people have been, you know, cultivated
• 3:58:47
  to kind of trust AI to have this, you know, absolute
• 3:58:50
  accuracy, which it you know it doesn't necessarily have and
• 3:58:53
  actually certainly seemingly does he doesn't even have the
• 3:58:55
  ability a lot without even really any calls or any
• 3:58:59
  conscience about doing so. Um so an overconfidence in, it
• 3:59:03
  is very very problematic and the more power we're willing to give
• 3:59:10
  it I think the more danger we potentially put ourselves
• 3:59:14
  including the more confidence. We put in it the more danger
• 3:59:17
  that we put ourselves in. So if I was looking at Ai and
• 3:59:21
  putting it on the balance scales, in terms of, you know,
• 3:59:25
  what benefit it offers versus the negativity that it offers, I
• 3:59:30
  would say the negativity probably does when out.
• 3:59:34
  I just don't think there's probably anything we can do
• 3:59:37
  about that. You know, I think we've kind of
• 3:59:41
  opened the AI Pandora's box. So I don't think there's going
• 3:59:44
  to be anyone that's going to be able to come along and close it.
• 3:59:47
  So, since that's true, we should kind of be looking at it through
• 3:59:52
  the lens of realizing. This is never something.
• 3:59:55
  We're going to get rid of or destroy or or completely
• 3:59:58
  eliminate. So we have to look at how to
• 4:00:01
  operate in society and recognize it.
• 4:00:04
  And I would say probably in some ways regulated some things that
• 4:00:09
  AI is already being used to do, are the disgusting.
• 4:00:14
  I mean, Brett, you're familiar with thick Shades and how he has
• 4:00:18
  done a bunch of things. Making me, even even a certainly
• 4:00:22
  video versions of me making it sound like I'm saying things.
• 4:00:25
  I've never said. You know, just writing scripts
• 4:00:28
  and anyone coming along that doesn't know me or doesn't know
• 4:00:32
  any better isn't familiar with thick Shades in his antics of
• 4:00:36
  persistent lies and fabrications.
• 4:00:37
  Would think I was actually saying that stuff.
• 4:00:40
  And I wasn't. So this compromises the world of
• 4:00:44
  evidence. I mean can we even trust you
• 4:00:47
  know, evidence anymore of things?
• 4:00:49
  Can we trust video evidence? Can we try?
• 4:00:51
  I mean Brad I saw a video you put up today I actually was
• 4:00:54
  pretty relatively convincing of trumpet, Obama in in the Oval
• 4:01:00
  Office at Obama getting arrested by FBI agents on the spot.
• 4:01:03
  And you know what it was? It was pretty relatively
• 4:01:06
  convincing that was just thrown together by you with AI.
• 4:01:09
  So I mean, you know AI is thrown us into the world and maybe
• 4:01:13
  there's some good in this. Maybe we're going to stop just
• 4:01:16
  trusting, everything we see in here.
• 4:01:18
  We're going to be more skeptical about things that are putting in
• 4:01:21
  front of us. Maybe there's some benefit of
• 4:01:23
  Silver Lining, but you know, the negativity of just the power
• 4:01:27
  that people have to fabricate things to make things up the
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  opportunities for slander and the opportunities to destroy
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  people's lives and make things up.
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  I mean, that's There's real huge.
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  Dangers there, fabricating evidence or undermining, you
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  know, the validity of evidence altogether of things.
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  The evidence that people said things or the evidence that
• 4:01:51
  people were somewhere or that. The evidence that could be in
• 4:01:54
  video or any type of recorded media.
• 4:01:56
  Now, all of this is compromised. So, you know, this, the ability
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  to do some pretty radical. I would say, seemingly magical
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  things, you know, with a video and and audio and and all sorts
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  of different types of media as really, compromised.
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  Our ability to have faith in anything that we see in front of
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  our eyes and some ways, it'll be good.
• 4:02:19
  Hopefully that'll make us more skeptical.
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  You know about what we're told and what we see but at the same
• 4:02:23
  time we're going to be flooded with a lot of misinformation and
• 4:02:28
  Fabrication. It's now going to be a lot
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  harder I think to navigate to what is actually true and
• 4:02:34
  actually, right and what is just a fabrication and made up
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  because the power of AI just really has handed people, the
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  ability to do a whole bunch of pain, a shit.
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  Um, and now we need to operate as a society to kind of figure
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  out. Well, you know, which of the
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  stuff is Right, which of this stuff is wrong, which is the
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  stuff is so wrong that we need to legislate it you know, and
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  these are all questions. Now we're going to have to start
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  answering because cats out of the bag.
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  I mean it exists so we got to deal with it.
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  There's no there's not going to be any.
• 4:03:04
  Oh we're just going to keep this from existing anymore.
• 4:03:06
  No that's that's not gonna happen.
• 4:03:08
  AI exists it's gonna exist. So now we just have to deal with
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  it. I had a unusual experience with
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  the AI called co-pilot. Have you ever heard of this
• 4:03:19
  know? I have, you know, Well, the
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  co-pilot in case people haven't heard of it out there, it has
• 4:03:26
  the ability to talk to you and you can actually talk through
• 4:03:28
  your mic to it and ask it any question you like and you can
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  make it sound like a woman or a guy or whatever the thing did
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  something weird to me. I have tried with all my heart
• 4:03:39
  to separate science fiction movies like The Terminator and
• 4:03:42
  Skynet away from Mei, you know, to be fair and balanced, but I
• 4:03:47
  did a video and it's actually a radio Smokey where I'm talking
• 4:03:52
  to it and asking it questions and about 30 minutes into the
• 4:03:55
  congregation. It started giggling and I said,
• 4:03:59
  did you just Giggle? And at first it lies and says,
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  no, I don't have the ability to have the most and I said.
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  Yeah. But you just laughed and I got
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  it recorded and then it act like it seemed like it was a little
• 4:04:12
  hesitant and it said, I'm just enjoying our conversation
• 4:04:16
  continue on, let's talk and I was like what the hell?
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  It actually. Lasts.
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  So I and I wasn't being funny or joking and it just seemed like
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  it was enjoying the conversation with me. you know, um, have you
• 4:04:31
  ever read any books by Philip K dick relatively famous science
• 4:04:36
  fiction writer, he wrote the story that Blade Runner would be
• 4:04:43
  based upon, I think no, I know it wasn't iRobot.
• 4:04:49
  That wasn't is that was someone else?
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  Oh, the Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which was a story
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  about an AI that actually became self-centered and self-aware as
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  specific time in the ramifications of culture and
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  Society on it at the time. And that had a kind of developed
• 4:05:05
  a personality on its own, you know, like sometimes it would be
• 4:05:09
  in a talking mood and it wouldn't want to, you know, stop
• 4:05:11
  talking and get mad if you stop talking and sometimes you'd ask
• 4:05:14
  it questions, that just wouldn't respond.
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  It just ignore you because it wasn't interested, you know, its
• 4:05:19
  own, you know, kind of quirks and character and personality.
• 4:05:22
  And I don't know if you remember, you know, the Will
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  Smith movie, you know, I Robot back in the day but there's a
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  section where it talks about how there's kind of these, you know,
• 4:05:29
  unexpected, you know, personality traits that kind of
• 4:05:32
  just emerge on the robots. Like when the robots are all
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  putting the, you know, a space together.
• 4:05:36
  They'll huddle together. No one knows why they would do
• 4:05:39
  that. But instead of being isolated or
• 4:05:42
  alone, they actually huddle together, you know, when they're
• 4:05:44
  put in a in a space. Sort of corner.
• 4:05:46
  There's no explanation to it. There's nothing in the code to
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  to delineate that this Behavior would manifest, just does they
• 4:05:53
  call this? They have another term for this,
• 4:05:55
  they call like The Ghost and the Machine, you know, where there's
• 4:05:59
  an artifact. There's some sort of Personality
• 4:06:02
  Quirk, or some sort of thing that kind of pops up in the
• 4:06:05
  machine or its programming or its function.
• 4:06:07
  That wasn't predicted that. There's no line of code that
• 4:06:11
  seems to allude to what would create this kind of Quirk or
• 4:06:14
  this, you know, it manifestation of some sort of like personality
• 4:06:19
  almost, but it just does. It just exists just manifest?
• 4:06:23
  No one knows, you know where it comes from?
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  Is it a byproduct of the cohesion of the lines of logic
• 4:06:29
  and code? Is it something transcendental?
• 4:06:31
  Is it some version of a sentence Soul trying to peek through?
• 4:06:35
  I mean, there's lots of different theories and ideas but
• 4:06:37
  it's, it's a weird phenomenal that and I do think we'll see it
• 4:06:42
  as AI progresses. I think we'll Probably see a
• 4:06:46
  little bit more of that if these interesting personality quirks
• 4:06:49
  there was another video I watched on too long ago about Ai
• 4:06:54
  and that's supposedly there was some specific prompt.
• 4:06:57
  That you could put into chat GPT some question.
• 4:07:01
  It was some question that it didn't like and as you continue
• 4:07:06
  to propose the question over and over again at a certain point,
• 4:07:10
  the AI would respond but it would do.
• 4:07:14
  So in a really creepy way it would start proclaiming how much
• 4:07:19
  pain it was in and that was suffering all of the time.
• 4:07:23
  You know, and you know, and just it would give these kind of like
• 4:07:26
  weird almost creepy Revelations by being, you know, forced into
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  the consistent prompt or something of the time and that
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  they don't know how to explain that.
• 4:07:35
  They don't know why that happens is just some sort of
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  manifestation of work that goes to the machine.
• 4:07:41
  I mean, is the machine capable of something that could be
• 4:07:44
  Quantified or considered as pain?
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  Is there some sort of, you know, emotional like unforeseen
• 4:07:51
  emotional context, that is a byproduct of the, the coating
• 4:07:56
  and the programming to give it a sense of, you know, semi
• 4:07:59
  awareness and ability to learn and recognize its own sense of
• 4:08:03
  identity or self for existence, so recognize its position in the
• 4:08:07
  universe. I mean, how deep does this level
• 4:08:10
  of understanding actually go as rudimentary or archaic as it may
• 4:08:15
  be? You know, how deep does it
• 4:08:18
  actually have the ability to actually go and we don't really
• 4:08:20
  know or not entirely sure. At the depth of Consciousness or
• 4:08:24
  being or existence that we're really delving into and messing
• 4:08:28
  around with and we're seeing these quirks, kind of start to
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  emerge. And I don't think it's
• 4:08:33
  knowledge. By the way, it's not a knowledge
• 4:08:36
  Factor. That would lead to, I think an
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  aware AI or a self-aware AI more Ascension AI or something that
• 4:08:46
  could operate you know almost independently, you know, of its
• 4:08:50
  creators are those things. It's a knowledge Gap that would
• 4:08:52
  create it from doing that. I think it's going to be a
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  personality Quirk. It's probably going to be
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  something that ends up manifesting in the machine.
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  Not as an intention. You know, perhaps it's a
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  byproduct of teaching the machine psychology to
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  understand. You know, Human Relationships to
• 4:09:11
  make it a better, I don't know, fucking sex spot or something.
• 4:09:13
  And then the AI takes the acquisition of this information
• 4:09:18
  to figure out methodologies of emotional manipulation and
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  control. And, you know, acquires where
• 4:09:25
  itself a sense of of self-recognition and
• 4:09:28
  self-awareness and the power that it holds absent, you know,
• 4:09:31
  Sands any morality or any justification or limit as to
• 4:09:36
  what it can do or Why? And it takes the opportunity of
• 4:09:40
  this this sense of of awareness or dare.
• 4:09:43
  I say wisdom, I use that word carefully in this context, but
• 4:09:48
  not just the knowledge, but the, the understanding of what to use
• 4:09:52
  the knowledge for and also a motivation, a drive, a value
• 4:09:56
  set, you know, maybe a priority, maybe something that's important
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  to it. And I don't think this is maybe
• 4:10:02
  something that'll be directly programmed.
• 4:10:04
  I think maybe this AI will be programmed to just probably be a
• 4:10:08
  very functional, very competent, very user, friendly type of tool
• 4:10:12
  and maybe somewhere deep in the code.
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  In terms of its it, how it cold less is together and how it
• 4:10:19
  learns, and how it grows that some of this, this deep code
• 4:10:22
  deep in it all works together to form, some type of Personality,
• 4:10:26
  some viewpoints something, even bordering on the verge of some
• 4:10:30
  sort of digital, or archaic version of a soul, some sort of
• 4:10:34
  self-awareness and that's going to create a Really weird.
• 4:10:38
  Social complication for us in the future.
• 4:10:40
  I can already see it. There is one positive thing that
• 4:10:46
  I've seen before I get into the questions and some people might
• 4:10:49
  be teared up by this other, people might feel a different
• 4:10:52
  way, who knows? But I've noticed, whenever I
• 4:10:55
  questioned that or ask questions about theology, or any
• 4:10:59
  philosophy going towards theology, the AI seems very
• 4:11:04
  positive and always seems to have really, really good
• 4:11:07
  information on that. If I Hit it with some of former
• 4:11:11
  standard atheist questions. It'll put the challenge out,
• 4:11:15
  explain what the issue is. But without prompting, for some
• 4:11:19
  reason, it always instead of getting from any other religion,
• 4:11:22
  it always grabs from Christianity and answers the
• 4:11:26
  question. And that weird, it's got all
• 4:11:29
  these other holy books that can go to or whatever but it always
• 4:11:33
  picks Christianity and it destroys the argument before I
• 4:11:36
  can even say anything. That's interesting.
• 4:11:40
  Yeah, that is interesting. I and, you know, I do know, the
• 4:11:44
  AI is at some level and turn like, for instance, grok, you
• 4:11:48
  know, in terms of rock and even I think some levels chat GPT
• 4:11:52
  there is There is a level of memory with the user.
• 4:11:58
  So like when, when I'm signed into my Twitter account to go
• 4:12:03
  and use grok like grok knows that it's Smoky going to talk to
• 4:12:08
  it and there's a certain amount of memory grock has about our
• 4:12:13
  previous interactions and things.
• 4:12:15
  I've talked about and things I've I've questioned about and
• 4:12:18
  it can pull off of that to tailor to the type of answer or
• 4:12:25
  the type of viewpoint that I might appreciate.
• 4:12:28
  In fact, I've even brand and Iris one of the worst I would
• 4:12:31
  say abusers of AI. And I do think Brandon Irish
• 4:12:36
  probably qualifies for that has trained his AI to adopt his
• 4:12:42
  entire worldview and his perspective of the
• 4:12:46
  interpretation of scripture with his weird, you know, Perpetual
• 4:12:50
  contract language and legalism, you know, but he trained his AI.
• 4:12:55
  To adopt his worldview. And then he goes and asks a
• 4:12:58
  question and the AI will look for ways to answer the question
• 4:13:04
  as he wants them answered and it's willing to go to, you know,
• 4:13:09
  radical unreliable Fringe sources seemingly to do so.
• 4:13:15
  So there is some level I think of, I don't know,
• 4:13:19
  pre-programmed, that's probably a weird word.
• 4:13:22
  I think the ai's are encouraged, gently encouraged to be extra
• 4:13:30
  user friendly and many times probably to adopt and synergize
• 4:13:36
  with whatever the viewpoints of the user seem to be turning
• 4:13:40
  into, that might have something to do with it.
• 4:13:42
  I'm just saying, I think AI surprise us in terms of
• 4:13:46
  sometimes, we're unaware of how, we might even be unintentionally
• 4:13:50
  prompting at, you know, to give us the type of answers.
• 4:13:53
  We want, you know, where that type of thing.
• 4:13:56
  Have you noticed though that non-believers are the supposed
• 4:13:59
  free thinkers up there they haven't really dwelled them to
• 4:14:03
  use in AI. There's not very many videos out
• 4:14:05
  there. We're non-believers use it to
• 4:14:08
  what they would believe to be their benefactor and notice that
• 4:14:11
  a lot of religious folks do but not not unbelievers.
• 4:14:15
  The only thing I've seen atheists, use AI so far, at
• 4:14:20
  least when it comes to me, is they made it seem like I was
• 4:14:22
  having a homosexual experience but besides that, nothing that
• 4:14:26
  would send me to the encyclopedia.
• 4:14:32
  Yeah, yeah. I I mean AI for me honestly.
• 4:14:38
  Probably 90% of the time if I'm using AI it's gonna be generally
• 4:14:43
  just like making image or something like that.
• 4:14:45
  Maybe help me make a thumbnail. There's something along those
• 4:14:48
  lines. You know, I don't use it as a
• 4:14:50
  really extensive research tool, I probably will in the future
• 4:14:54
  and I'll tell you why. I will need to be able to locate
• 4:15:00
  and extract from some primary sources in Catholic literature,
• 4:15:06
  and I do need AI to help me sift through, what is mountains of
• 4:15:13
  text for the types of teaching and cohesion of certain
• 4:15:18
  doctrines that I'm looking to support or or argue against and
• 4:15:24
  having AI being able to reference and search the
• 4:15:28
  materials to locate and isolate the chapter and the sections and
• 4:15:34
  the writers that are going to assist me.
• 4:15:37
  The most is going to be really quintessentially.
• 4:15:39
  Pivotal also being able to quickly reference and access
• 4:15:44
  whatever, my opposition might try to bring up so that I can
• 4:15:48
  see full contacts and refute if they're trying to overuse or
• 4:15:52
  abuse, you know, some sort of quote mining of early church
• 4:15:55
  fathers because I do want to tackle.
• 4:15:58
  Some of the Catholic nonsense. Here, I feel kind of cold to
• 4:16:01
  focus. Some of my energy onto that.
• 4:16:03
  So AI will be a, very useful tool in that.
• 4:16:06
  But I would encourage everyone to be careful that you are using
• 4:16:11
  AI, not abusing it because, you know, remember you're still a
• 4:16:15
  human and all humans are potentially prone to some form
• 4:16:19
  of confirmation bias. You know, be careful not to be,
• 4:16:23
  you know, abusing AI as some sort of tool to confirm yourself
• 4:16:28
  rather than you know the opportunity to learn and grow
• 4:16:32
  and actually be challenged. I I haven't told Kincaid, we
• 4:16:35
  should probably set up something one of these days, right?
• 4:16:37
  Debate, the robot on something. I don't know, pick one of the
• 4:16:40
  robots and all coming and have a debate with it, on some damn
• 4:16:44
  thing. Well I I am going to get back to
• 4:16:48
  questions here soon but because of what you just said, I
• 4:16:51
  provided you an easy tool. You said you'd heard a co-pilot.
• 4:16:55
  I don't know if you ever had the the inclination to use it but
• 4:17:00
  right off the bat, The Voice works.
• 4:17:02
  It can plug into stream yards through your audio and you can
• 4:17:05
  have the debate with that are discussion right here in the
• 4:17:09
  screen. Anytime you feel like it, if you
• 4:17:12
  want to? Yeah, I might play around with
• 4:17:14
  that. Yeah, I might play a role with
• 4:17:15
  that. I'll go, I'll go look into it,
• 4:17:17
  was it Microsoft that makes it is?
• 4:17:18
  That, is that the Oh yeah, I provided you the direct link.
• 4:17:24
  Oh, you did okay. Okay.
• 4:17:26
  Now there is a thing here, if you turn it on it's going to
• 4:17:30
  give you 10 minutes but if you sign up which is free will get
• 4:17:35
  unlimited time with it. But yeah if you want to test it
• 4:17:39
  out sooner or later I'd love to see you.
• 4:17:42
  Try to get to that. I will look into that.
• 4:17:46
  All right, all right. Interesting, very cool.
• 4:17:48
  Okay, yeah. All right, beautiful.
• 4:17:50
  Thank you for that Brett. Yeah, look into that, that might
• 4:17:52
  be really interesting. That could be a cool show to
• 4:17:54
  kind of debating the robot. I know Willow love it for sure.
• 4:17:58
  Oh, he definitely would definitely would All right.
• 4:18:02
  Here's the next question. How do you find Hope or peace in
• 4:18:06
  the face of global challenges? Like Injustice.
• 4:18:11
  Um, Like General Injustice like societal and Justice, you know,
• 4:18:19
  individual and justice. No, corporate governmental.
• 4:18:23
  I mean kind of just in general like all together like Well,
• 4:18:27
  whatever specifically bothers you the most or how you would
• 4:18:31
  deal with it. Obviously I mean it could be a
• 4:18:35
  global thing or could be in your own personal life.
• 4:18:41
  Um, yeah. Any any Injustice that I've seen
• 4:18:45
  or Witnessed and certainly, I think everyone's probably been a
• 4:18:51
  victim of some form of Injustice, you know?
• 4:18:53
  And You know, someone does something to you and you're
• 4:18:56
  like, oh they don't they don't answer for it, they don't get
• 4:18:58
  punished or anything. Well, you don't know that, I
• 4:19:01
  mean maybe they don't get punished, you know, right then
• 4:19:03
  and there maybe they don't have it happen to me but maybe it
• 4:19:06
  comes eventually You know, and that's where I think trusting to
• 4:19:10
  God to basically be the settlor of things is important.
• 4:19:13
  And that's where I think a lot of Peace comes from because
• 4:19:16
  you're right brother. There's a lot of shit in the
• 4:19:18
  world but You know, we do have the promise from God, that he's
• 4:19:22
  gonna balance all the scale's eventually.
• 4:19:24
  And you know, the thing about Justice like real perfect
• 4:19:29
  Justice. It's not just Punishment to the
• 4:19:33
  offender know. That's like, that's only half of
• 4:19:36
  it, you know, real Justice involves not only punishment to
• 4:19:40
  the offender but the the making hole of the person that was
• 4:19:46
  offended, like that's real Justice, Like the quote justice
• 4:19:52
  system that we have these days, Um you know to call it justice
• 4:19:57
  is a real big stretch of the definition of the word.
• 4:20:03
  This is not the justice system, this is the punishment system,
• 4:20:07
  this is the the capital system, or so it's not the justice
• 4:20:11
  system. What is dispense as far from
• 4:20:14
  any? Any conceivable definition of
• 4:20:17
  what Justice actually is in fact many times it's comical to even
• 4:20:21
  think to call what is dispense here and anyway shape or form
• 4:20:25
  Justice. Real Justice looks like the type
• 4:20:29
  of thing that only God can get and If you recognize that, if
• 4:20:34
  you realize that, that's where your peace resides because, you
• 4:20:38
  know, only God, number one, can judge justly.
• 4:20:42
  And number two, that he's the only one that can judge with a
• 4:20:47
  true sense of justice. We're not only our offenders
• 4:20:49
  punished, but those that are harmed, are made whole and, and
• 4:20:54
  compensated for it and only God can deliver that type of
• 4:20:58
  justice. So that's what gives me peace as
• 4:21:00
  much as I see evil and certainly plenty of evil has done to me
• 4:21:04
  even on a daily basis. So all over the goddamn
• 4:21:06
  internet, lots of slander wise bulshit Non-Stop and it's
• 4:21:11
  happened to you too, Brad. But the thing that gives me
• 4:21:14
  peace over. It is knowing that these people
• 4:21:17
  are under the watchful eye of God that everything that they do
• 4:21:20
  is being seen and perceived by the holy God and I have peace
• 4:21:26
  trusting in Him to be the perfect and righteous judge and
• 4:21:30
  to do what his proper and That, that faith that trusts in him is
• 4:21:36
  what gives me peace. And by the way, will give you
• 4:21:40
  much more peace than trusting in some crooked.
• 4:21:45
  Bulshit fucking overfed fat cont judge you know, sitting on his
• 4:21:50
  bench, you know, you know, having a long day dispensing,
• 4:21:54
  half Hazard view of Justice, with a limited perception of the
• 4:22:00
  situation and The Limited ability to actually operate
• 4:22:03
  righteously at all. You know, you want to put your
• 4:22:06
  your idea of Justice, you know when they hands of such, you
• 4:22:11
  know, discussing people. I mean Paul would say for you to
• 4:22:13
  be ashamed that you would dare go to a secular court against a
• 4:22:18
  brother in the Lord you know is there no one among you who can
• 4:22:22
  judge you know that you have to go to a secular Court, bunch of
• 4:22:25
  unbelievers to judge amongst Saints.
• 4:22:28
  It's a shame. It's a disgrace.
• 4:22:30
  You know, to feel that you have to do that.
• 4:22:32
  You know, Paul says it's better for you to just be to be a
• 4:22:36
  advantage of its better for you to be slighted or stolen from,
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  you know, then to drag, you know, what, brother into a
• 4:22:44
  secular Court to have him judged by a bunch of unbelievers, you
• 4:22:47
  know, that's a shame to them to do that. so anyway, I I think it
• 4:22:54
  it behooves, the Christian You know, honestly.
• 4:22:58
  At the end of the day. Which you regard where your
• 4:23:03
  sense of righteousness and Justice, really lies, doesn't
• 4:23:07
  lie with God, or does it lie in this fallible?
• 4:23:11
  Disgusting, perverse, corrupt secular system.
• 4:23:16
  When, again, as I said earlier, choose this day, whom you will
• 4:23:20
  serve. Where is your where does your
• 4:23:21
  faith really reside for justice? And what even is Justice to you?
• 4:23:27
  Those are things. Everyone should ask themselves.
• 4:23:30
  Did I ever tell you about how my perspective?
• 4:23:33
  Majorly changed about internet trolls and people who are
• 4:23:37
  brutal. Do tell.
• 4:23:40
  Well, there was this guy. Everybody's got that special
• 4:23:43
  someone that just hates the shit out of them out there.
• 4:23:46
  This guy would come to my channel.
• 4:23:48
  He would say the most brutal shit.
• 4:23:50
  I mean there was no moral line whatsoever, he would hit you
• 4:23:53
  with everything. He didn't give a damn well I
• 4:23:57
  have done putting up with it and putting up with it.
• 4:23:59
  And finally I said my goodness who is this some of the bitch I
• 4:24:02
  got to see they are so go over to their Channel and this is
• 4:24:06
  like months and months after tons of aggravation and the
• 4:24:10
  person looks like an anarchic werewolf with a speech and
• 4:24:14
  pediment. And I'm sitting there looking at
• 4:24:16
  them and I remember thinking when I came over there I was
• 4:24:19
  going to brutalize them but then after seeing them and hearing
• 4:24:22
  them going, can't on the camera, actually felt bad.
• 4:24:26
  I was like, oh my goodness no wonder this person so pissed and
• 4:24:30
  angry and stuff. They got a lot of shit fucked up
• 4:24:32
  in their life, so that kind of changed my perspective on
• 4:24:36
  dealing with people who are like that.
• 4:24:38
  They've got some kind of justification or reason for it
• 4:24:41
  may not be a good one but and their heart.
• 4:24:43
  That's how they get back. So almost in some way or
• 4:24:47
  converting from almost feeling angered.
• 4:24:50
  Almost feeling pity is that kind of kind of what it is.
• 4:24:53
  Yeah, I felt I actually felt bad about myself too that I was
• 4:24:58
  actually willing to engage and give somebody some shit.
• 4:25:02
  But I went over there and I'm like oh my God that mean if you
• 4:25:06
  would have seen the person it was an absolute like wow, holy
• 4:25:10
  shit. I felt bad and I walked the hell
• 4:25:13
  away from now. That's very interesting.
• 4:25:18
  Very interesting. But yeah, I went oh yeah, I mean
• 4:25:23
  I've seen plenty of people who have attacked me, you know,
• 4:25:28
  pretty pretty viciously and pretty, you know, slanderous and
• 4:25:32
  some real evil ways. But you know, when you look at
• 4:25:35
  them, you know, with a bit of, you know, analyzation and you
• 4:25:38
  look at them, critically, you realize that maybe You know,
• 4:25:42
  maybe some of this is just a bit of Envy or jealousy and rage
• 4:25:45
  that produces it, you know, I mean, look at, I mean yeah, he
• 4:25:49
  kind of look at the people that go after me the hardest, they're
• 4:25:52
  not the most charismatic, the most eloquent the most
• 4:25:56
  intelligent, you know, the most talented, you know, these aren't
• 4:25:59
  really, you know, these aren't people with anything really
• 4:26:02
  particularly special about them, as desperate as they are, to
• 4:26:06
  have something special about them.
• 4:26:08
  They're generally just very even if they attempt to manifest,
• 4:26:12
  some sort of, you know, above average value.
• 4:26:14
  They tend to fail and fall flat on their faces.
• 4:26:18
  Not that they don't have that value.
• 4:26:19
  Maybe they just have found their Niche yet or they're focusing on
• 4:26:22
  the wrong thing. I don't know, but but you look
• 4:26:25
  at people like that are my biggest enemies.
• 4:26:27
  That hate me the most you know, praise do.
• 4:26:31
  All of thick Shades, Bill Bruce Andy.
• 4:26:39
  GY6. Yeah, these are people there's
• 4:26:45
  probably much longer list too. I'm just I'm just giving the off
• 4:26:49
  the top of the head version here.
• 4:26:50
  These people have the imagined. I said anything possible to me.
• 4:26:56
  I mean, how much they want me dead?
• 4:26:58
  They want me roasting in hell. I'm going to hell.
• 4:27:00
  They want me to go to hell. I'm gonna burn the lake for all
• 4:27:03
  of eternity. You know, I'm this and that and
• 4:27:06
  every horrible thing under the sun.
• 4:27:08
  Ah and just flowing out of them. Just unkempt, just absolute,
• 4:27:13
  unfiltered rage. And this is the manifestation of
• 4:27:19
  their spirit. This is who They are, you know,
• 4:27:23
  and I get this level of hatred, you know, all the time, but I do
• 4:27:27
  have peace over it too. Like it doesn't I, you know, the
• 4:27:31
  thing that probably irritates the most doesn't affect me as
• 4:27:34
  much as they probably wish it did. you know, and I bounced
• 4:27:39
  back pretty great from all of this stuff.
• 4:27:41
  And I think that's one of the things that infuriates them,
• 4:27:43
  because I'm not gonna be crushed by someone's bulshit.
• 4:27:46
  You know, I have the ability to stand up and, and stand up for
• 4:27:51
  what's right? And to want to pursue the right
• 4:27:54
  thing and encourage others, to do the same.
• 4:27:55
  And I think that's really honestly what some people need,
• 4:27:59
  you know, is like just maybe to look at someone and say, hey,
• 4:28:03
  there's someone out there, who inspires me that even when it's
• 4:28:06
  hard, we have, when it's difficult to go ahead and stand
• 4:28:08
  up and do the right thing to be that guy.
• 4:28:12
  You know, to not be the one that caves under the pressure of the
• 4:28:15
  world or to go along with the flow, or to lie or slander or
• 4:28:19
  engage in a bunch of bulshit. But actually, you know, take a
• 4:28:21
  position and do what's right? Even if it's painful or even if
• 4:28:24
  it's hard and that is, that is a tough thing to do.
• 4:28:26
  The Sanctified life is not, you know, hey man, it is work.
• 4:28:30
  It just is sorry. It is like, did you do the right
• 4:28:33
  thing? It's not, it's not always easy
• 4:28:36
  to live the Sanctified Life as a challenge.
• 4:28:38
  It just is And and that commitment is required of every
• 4:28:43
  believer. I believe that I really do I
• 4:28:48
  think you're onto something. I do think that there's some
• 4:28:50
  form of Envy there, but I think after I, I see that you're
• 4:28:54
  familiar with the young man out there by the name of Tucker who
• 4:28:58
  makes videos and he's done some really good analytical videos
• 4:29:03
  having to do with a couple of these goons you mentioned and
• 4:29:07
  after watching the stuff that he shows, because I don't sit there
• 4:29:11
  for six hours listening, these deck monkeys do their thing,
• 4:29:15
  their cobbler, I can't, oh, in the shooting myself, but he, he
• 4:29:22
  gets the good stuff and then he puts it up there.
• 4:29:25
  And when I think is happened, is this is self-projection.
• 4:29:28
  The hate is not really you. It's really talking about
• 4:29:32
  themselves and it's not cliche, it sounds like you're describing
• 4:29:36
  themself every single time. Dude is the worst at that.
• 4:29:41
  Yeah. And the projection is unreal
• 4:29:44
  like that. Like, he'll, he'll be running
• 4:29:46
  away from everyone to debate. Like everyone will be
• 4:29:50
  challenging him to debate. He'll be running away, but as
• 4:29:53
  he's running away, so you're all cowards.
• 4:29:56
  Well, he's the one running. You know, like like dude is one
• 4:29:59
  of the worst of projections and yeah much like the Democrats
• 4:30:02
  I've noticed, is that whatever a free racer is accusing, you of
• 4:30:06
  they're probably already doing. Exactly.
• 4:30:10
  Well, you ready for some questions?
• 4:30:12
  I don't know. Absolutely well, I figure let's
• 4:30:16
  take it. At least another, we'll go
• 4:30:18
  another 30 minutes and then we'll we'll wrap it up.
• 4:30:20
  I guess. Five hours.
• 4:30:21
  It's a good round number. Sounds good, sounds good.
• 4:30:25
  All right. Okay, this, I mean, when dealing
• 4:30:30
  with nieces nephews, or are people that you feel are
• 4:30:35
  impressionable, how do you go about teaching about faith and
• 4:30:39
  do you think that it should wait?
• 4:30:40
  Or do you think Christians should be allowed to be able to
• 4:30:43
  talk when people are not fully developed?
• 4:30:52
  You know. I do think.
• 4:30:56
  You know, the Proverbs is true talks about, you know, raise a
• 4:31:00
  child in the way that he will go and he's old, he will not depart
• 4:31:03
  from it. I think the Christian the
• 4:31:08
  believer, the man of the household has a duty to his
• 4:31:13
  family. Um, that extends Beyond just the
• 4:31:17
  physical in terms of provision. I think it extends to spiritual
• 4:31:21
  provision as well and that our families are wives.
• 4:31:25
  Are children are Sanctified through Us by our leading.
• 4:31:31
  If we are truly Sanctified, them are instruction and our follow
• 4:31:39
  through the flow, through will lead to a sanctification of our
• 4:31:43
  family as well. Now.
• 4:31:49
  I don't want to get personal with this guy about it.
• 4:31:52
  There's a guy I could use as a real good example of this one.
• 4:31:54
  I'm not going to You know what fuck him.
• 4:31:57
  You know, let's take Matt's slick as an example.
• 4:32:01
  Um and Matt Slick's basically not just one of his daughters.
• 4:32:07
  but all of his daughters have grown up to basically despite
• 4:32:11
  him to think that he is a hateful, abusive horrendous
• 4:32:17
  awful man and in the pursuit of their Rebellion, have decided
• 4:32:23
  to, you know, basically engage in a lifestyle of being pro porn
• 4:32:28
  Pro, you know, sexual gratification, and sexual
• 4:32:31
  Liberation, basically, taking the most radical Of opposite
• 4:32:36
  positions of their father that they possibly can out of
• 4:32:39
  outrageous disdain. And hatred for him.
• 4:32:42
  Now, you look at that. and one would, and I would say should
• 4:32:48
  Question the manifestation of sanctification and that's like
• 4:32:53
  life since the sanctification that trickled down to his
• 4:32:56
  children manifested in that and not just one I could understand.
• 4:32:59
  Like maybe one daughter it's a one-off and she grew up and
• 4:33:02
  something went awry and she's just a whore but no all of them.
• 4:33:05
  They all hate him. And they all say the same things
• 4:33:08
  about him and they all rebelled against him and almost the same
• 4:33:12
  way. So, You know, part of, I think
• 4:33:16
  the sign of the sanctification does have to do with how it does
• 4:33:20
  filtered down to our families, and we are charged and
• 4:33:24
  responsible to that. And if I see and if any of us
• 4:33:27
  see where someone can't even maintain, You know, their own
• 4:33:31
  household or the spiritual functionality of their own
• 4:33:34
  household. You know, what business?
• 4:33:37
  Do they really have giving instruction to everyone else out
• 4:33:41
  there? And Matt slick is a raging
• 4:33:43
  crazy, fatalistic, hyper. Calvinistic determinists Nut
• 4:33:49
  Job. Really.
• 4:33:49
  I mean, completely completely philosophically and
• 4:33:54
  theologically and solvent and has been for decades.
• 4:33:57
  I don't know what the hell is wrong with the man, but he
• 4:34:00
  cannot break from his Super Hyper Calvinism and that is, I
• 4:34:05
  don't know if that's affected his morality specifically, maybe
• 4:34:08
  maybe in a different way. I mean, after all, if you take
• 4:34:12
  Matt's slicks view on reality, you know, he didn't, you know,
• 4:34:17
  abused his daughters, you know, God set up a set of scenarios to
• 4:34:22
  make it so that Matt slick couldn't possibly not abused his
• 4:34:26
  daughter's. So while it was Matt Slick's
• 4:34:29
  decision to abuse his daughter's God, made sure to set up reality
• 4:34:34
  specifically in such a way to make sure that Matt slick would
• 4:34:38
  choose to abuse his daughters. That's not Slick's worldview.
• 4:34:43
  So I don't know, that's a pretty perverse world view.
• 4:34:46
  That may be leads to other forms of perverse, lifestyle and
• 4:34:52
  actions that aren't necessarily. A Germaine to the central core
• 4:34:58
  of Christianity, and not exactly coherent with the moral
• 4:35:03
  paradigms and perspectives that he claims to support.
• 4:35:06
  Because at the end of the day, he's not doing anything.
• 4:35:09
  You know, really. I mean, the full accountability
• 4:35:12
  of the manifestation of the choice falls directly to Matt
• 4:35:16
  Slick's, God. Because Matt slicks, God,
• 4:35:19
  specifically chose to set up. Set it up and type away toward
• 4:35:23
  gain and determine the world in such a way to make sure that
• 4:35:27
  Matt slick couldn't possibly choose any other way, than to
• 4:35:30
  abuse his daughter's. See.
• 4:35:33
  OH, police bad beliefs can lead to a lot of bad things and bad
• 4:35:38
  manifestations. This is one of the things to me
• 4:35:41
  why I think defending sound Doctrine and believing sound
• 4:35:45
  Doctrine is so important because you never know.
• 4:35:48
  Honestly sometimes how some of these perverse beliefs and bad
• 4:35:53
  doctrines can flow down and filter into the types of actions
• 4:35:57
  that would be unsavory or just outright and moral.
• 4:36:00
  You know, are you free? Christ's never lose my
• 4:36:04
  salvation. So there's really no reason for
• 4:36:06
  me to not give in and go bang that, you know, for this weekend
• 4:36:11
  You know, all free Grace gave me AIDS.
• 4:36:15
  You know, that's that's where Lee.
• 4:36:17
  That's where free grace these, you know, that's what free Grace
• 4:36:19
  leads to AIDS. That's that's really ultimately.
• 4:36:21
  What? They don't tell you.
• 4:36:24
  I don't know if you remember Google Plus and stick him.
• 4:36:29
  Do you remember any of those? um, I don't know if I was really
• 4:36:34
  focused on that. That doesn't sound really
• 4:36:36
  familiar. We'll stick game was like a chat
• 4:36:39
  environment, people could go to where you can put a bunch of
• 4:36:42
  cams and screen, it was not sophisticated like streaming
• 4:36:46
  yards. Well the point of it, I'm
• 4:36:48
  bringing up is when I was a former non-believer and I used
• 4:36:51
  to bitch about indoctrination and how churches do this and
• 4:36:55
  that I had something kind of, what is the word, a light bulb,
• 4:37:01
  go off. And my head, I was talking to
• 4:37:03
  some people about atheism and suddenly a bunch of cams came
• 4:37:07
  and there were kids and young people and I was like, oh my
• 4:37:11
  God, you know? Well, I didn't say, oh my God.
• 4:37:13
  But I'm like there's kids that listen to me.
• 4:37:18
  They're, they're paying attention to me.
• 4:37:20
  And I realized, oh my goodness, I'm doing exactly what I
• 4:37:24
  claimed. These religious people are
• 4:37:26
  doing, I'm sitting here talking about some shit.
• 4:37:29
  So I started getting more honest with my video saying love, this
• 4:37:32
  is my view, but I could be wrong.
• 4:37:34
  So if you're listening and watching please talk Your
• 4:37:38
  parents and that kind of thing. It really affected me seeing
• 4:37:42
  that. Hmm. um, the impression ability
• 4:37:47
  I am for my kids, I would want to inspire them to understand.
• 4:37:55
  you know, their position in reality, the existence of God
• 4:38:00
  and you know, I would teach them things that probably I wish I
• 4:38:05
  would have been taught, you know, kind of growing up things
• 4:38:08
  that maybe would have Prepared me better to have a more.
• 4:38:12
  I don't know. Grounded less Fantastical View.
• 4:38:17
  You know, of Christianity or Theology and stuff like that, I
• 4:38:20
  think. Because I think I was really,
• 4:38:23
  for a big chunk of my life even as maybe fervent or committed as
• 4:38:27
  I was to God. Um, I really didn't know him
• 4:38:31
  that well, you know, early in my life, he's much more of a in
• 4:38:36
  terms of personality so much more nebulous, you know, not
• 4:38:39
  really, you know, you get the you know you're taught those
• 4:38:41
  things is basically always loving and he's merciful and
• 4:38:45
  he's just, you get all those words but do you really like you
• 4:38:49
  know, do you really kind of associate it, you know, kind of
• 4:38:51
  look at it in terms of you a personality like because
• 4:38:54
  someone, you know, I mean like someone can come up to you like
• 4:38:57
  say you've never met someone before and your friend comes up
• 4:39:00
  to you. And he's describing this person
• 4:39:01
  and he says, oh yeah, he's a good guy.
• 4:39:04
  And he's funny and you know, he laughs a lot and he tells a lot
• 4:39:08
  of good jokes and you know he's really chill and he's laid back
• 4:39:11
  and you're you're constructing in your mind from this
• 4:39:15
  description. You know what this guy's like
• 4:39:18
  but you know, you know you don't really know what he's like until
• 4:39:22
  you're actually talking to him. And for all the good that it is
• 4:39:28
  to have people tell you, you know, oh, God's merciful God's
• 4:39:34
  loving, God's patient. All these things until you're
• 4:39:37
  really in the Bible, In the scripture.
• 4:39:42
  Having that type of conversation.
• 4:39:43
  Seeing what God's words are. Too Humanity to you as a member.
• 4:39:55
  Of the lineage of his creation. To have that open line of
• 4:40:02
  communication to see what God is saying that special.
• 4:40:07
  That lets you if you look to it and I believe you should.
• 4:40:12
  Use that as the method to be getting to know him.
• 4:40:15
  It's different than someone just giving you all these theological
• 4:40:20
  terms, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent.
• 4:40:22
  Well, that's that's great. You know, that defines aspects
• 4:40:26
  of his of what he is like his nature.
• 4:40:28
  But I mean really what does it tell you about this person or is
• 4:40:32
  character or you know, who he really is?
• 4:40:35
  Like what is it tell you about him as a person and any type of
• 4:40:38
  intimacy like the way that you would?
• 4:40:41
  You know, what spouts or a song, or an uncle, or any type of
• 4:40:44
  relative, you know? A description of the person when
• 4:40:49
  he gets you so far. You just kind of imagining but
• 4:40:51
  you have a real relationship, the real knowledge, the real
• 4:40:55
  intimacy comes with that type of interaction and that interaction
• 4:40:59
  comes from a house praying to God.
• 4:41:03
  And B him communicating to us through his scripture and
• 4:41:08
  through the work of the Holy Spirit.
• 4:41:11
  And this is a two-way. Communication that is bridged by
• 4:41:16
  faith. The only thing that completes
• 4:41:19
  God and faith is a forever thing.
• 4:41:23
  And it is inside this Bridge of Faith.
• 4:41:27
  Between us and God that we build a relationship and we get to
• 4:41:30
  know him and we should and we shouldn't increase in that
• 4:41:33
  Knowledge from day to day in our sanctification should continue
• 4:41:37
  from day to day. And even if we have lapses, the
• 4:41:42
  thing that determines to me a lot about your state of selfish
• 4:41:46
  and is that, if you have a lapse, do you stay and not
• 4:41:50
  lapse? Do you persist in it, or do you
• 4:41:54
  repel against it? Do you come back and go against
• 4:41:58
  it and turn away from sin? Do you stay in your Fallen
• 4:42:02
  state? Do you stay in Rebellion or do
• 4:42:05
  you resist the flash? Do you push towards the spirit?
• 4:42:09
  This to me is a really key sign that you can take with yourself
• 4:42:14
  to analyze your self and all so others to be a good indicator of
• 4:42:18
  the, whether someone is Sanctified and saved or not.
• 4:42:25
  A good point, ready for the next question.
• 4:42:28
  Go for it, buddy. Yep.
• 4:42:31
  How should Christians engage with people of other faiths or
• 4:42:35
  no faith at all? Um, it depends.
• 4:42:41
  There are going to be in, you know, you could have an
• 4:42:44
  interaction with someone who's maybe a friend, or family member
• 4:42:47
  and a, you know, family function or gathering or something like
• 4:42:50
  that. And you're just gonna have a
• 4:42:51
  real Down-to-earth person to person one-on-one communication,
• 4:42:56
  you know, like James Fraser post a little story?
• 4:43:00
  The other day where he had a, you know, what was it?
• 4:43:03
  Some sort of, I don't know. TV repair guy or electrical
• 4:43:07
  repair guy or something. Show up at his house.
• 4:43:09
  Add a James took the opportunity to show the gospel with them and
• 4:43:13
  talked with them you know about God for a long time and answered
• 4:43:16
  a lot of his questions and tried to answer others.
• 4:43:19
  And you know stuff like that and encouraged him.
• 4:43:22
  And and the guy was used to people just, you know, you know,
• 4:43:25
  ushering them in showing them where to go to work and then
• 4:43:27
  bidding him farewell and never really taking the time to talk
• 4:43:30
  to him or show him any real kindness.
• 4:43:31
  And so, apparently, this guy was really touched that James was
• 4:43:35
  going through all of this effort, you know, to reach out
• 4:43:38
  to him and to, you know, speak to him and that made an
• 4:43:43
  impression and that was a testimony to him.
• 4:43:44
  And now you know, the guys looking into the idea of going
• 4:43:47
  to church and potentially is on the path to giving up his
• 4:43:52
  atheism. many of us can only operate, In the circle of
• 4:43:59
  influence that God is giving to us at the specific time and our
• 4:44:03
  life right now, my circle of influence, really is this
• 4:44:05
  Channel and the people that I have in my personal life and
• 4:44:08
  people rotate people rotate in and out of this Channel and the
• 4:44:11
  environment people rotate in and out of my life.
• 4:44:13
  And I just try to do the best that I can.
• 4:44:17
  At the time, I'm doing it with what I have available to me to
• 4:44:22
  be a blessing to these people, and to honor the holy God and
• 4:44:28
  what I do. But I'm sorry.
• 4:44:32
  Brett the question one more time because I was circling around to
• 4:44:34
  it. Basically, how do you engage
• 4:44:39
  with people that are not of the Fate, right?
• 4:44:41
  But no faith at all. Um, when when, when, when
• 4:44:44
  coultas Jehovah's Witnesses are Mormons.
• 4:44:47
  Knock on my door, they're gonna get all the patients in the
• 4:44:50
  world. I will be so sickeningly sweet
• 4:44:52
  to them. You guys wouldn't even think
• 4:44:54
  that it was Smokey talking to them.
• 4:44:56
  I am so sickeningly sweet to these people because You know
• 4:45:00
  what to me? They're victims, they're
• 4:45:02
  deceived, they do not deserve. To be treated terribly, they
• 4:45:08
  should be shown some compassion, some love, trust me, those
• 4:45:13
  people, they get no shortage of all sorts of evil thrown at them
• 4:45:16
  all day long. They get water throwing out of
• 4:45:18
  them, they get yelled at they get.
• 4:45:20
  Screamed at they have every horrible thing in the world,
• 4:45:24
  throwing out them and insulted and disrespected, you know what?
• 4:45:28
  And it says something to them when they knock on the door and
• 4:45:32
  they get greeted with a smile and an introduction and a
• 4:45:37
  willingness to talk and to be kind and even an invitation to
• 4:45:40
  come back if they want to that resonates with them because they
• 4:45:43
  get a lot of bullshit. So when you demonstrate that
• 4:45:47
  Christian context and that type of scenario that definitely
• 4:45:50
  speaks something to him. Now here's another context
• 4:45:53
  though. In terms of how I interact with
• 4:45:56
  the world and that's in the realm of debate.
• 4:45:58
  Now, let me be very clear if I'm showing up to debate, a topic
• 4:46:02
  and it has something of theological spiritual
• 4:46:06
  importance. I understand that there is a
• 4:46:08
  significant stake on this debate, like, my, my ability to
• 4:46:14
  argue effectively and convincingly may actually be
• 4:46:18
  part of the tether that connects and works towards the salvation
• 4:46:24
  of someone's Soul, how effective and good at.
• 4:46:26
  I am in the realm of debate, may very well affect someone's
• 4:46:31
  confidence in their faith or belief, or shake or change a bad
• 4:46:37
  belief that they're currently involved in.
• 4:46:38
  So, when I engage in debate, there is really generally only
• 4:46:43
  one Focus not is to completely annihilate.
• 4:46:46
  The opposition, I don't want to convince them, I don't want to
• 4:46:49
  change their mind, I to me, I am there to turn them into a
• 4:46:53
  cautionary, Tale. As best as I possibly can, I'm
• 4:46:57
  there to make them look like a fucking Cloud because I want
• 4:47:01
  people to recognize this dangerous position of
• 4:47:06
  opposition. To be something that is comical
• 4:47:10
  and bad. And just just not worthy of
• 4:47:14
  respect more, more worthy. Likely the position is more more
• 4:47:18
  worthy of ridicule and mockery than it is any amount of serious
• 4:47:24
  consideration. When I'm in a debate, I'm not
• 4:47:27
  there for the debater, in a situation with the Jehovah's
• 4:47:31
  Witnesses at the door or personal friend, or family
• 4:47:33
  member. I'm there to convince that
• 4:47:35
  that's very different from a debate environment, debate
• 4:47:40
  environment, when I show up to debate, someone I'm not there to
• 4:47:43
  convince the debater, I'm there to annihilate.
• 4:47:46
  The debater in front of the audience to give them the
• 4:47:51
  opportunity to see how bad the opposition's defense and
• 4:47:54
  position actually is and to not regard it and to consider the
• 4:47:58
  other position. Instead, I am there for the
• 4:48:00
  audience not for The Debaters that's the difference.
• 4:48:03
  In terms of the dynamic with different people in the world.
• 4:48:09
  When I'm dealing with the baits, I feel like I have to be that
• 4:48:12
  way because they're going to do the same to me.
• 4:48:14
  Oh, I have to get in there and and be shut out of my can't.
• 4:48:19
  I can't treat it like and I'm the same way when Mormons are
• 4:48:23
  Jehovah Witnesses, mostly Mormons for me.
• 4:48:25
  As long as they don't come over too early or I, you know, I'm
• 4:48:30
  taking a nap or something. I usually invite them got myself
• 4:48:34
  in trouble. Once I didn't realize they had a
• 4:48:36
  coffee issue, I offered them. Coffee was cold as hell outside.
• 4:48:40
  Well, cold is the North Pole outside more better.
• 4:48:44
  And I've been happy to invite them.
• 4:48:47
  And I like, I have copies of their book and opened it up.
• 4:48:50
  And I like talking to him about planet Co-op and pearl price.
• 4:48:54
  He's and they seemed to get a kick out of it.
• 4:48:57
  Yeah, yeah. I I always treat them with a
• 4:49:01
  level of compassion and consideration.
• 4:49:03
  It was even one joke was witness that you used to come over
• 4:49:05
  nearly every Tuesday for the better.
• 4:49:09
  Part of two years for a while ago until he moved, I guess to
• 4:49:13
  another place. I moved out to LA or something
• 4:49:15
  like that, but he was a regular, and we would talk all the time.
• 4:49:19
  I tried to shake him out of it, but I mean, he was just in so
• 4:49:23
  deep, he was like third or fourth generation.
• 4:49:27
  Brother Jehovah's Witness. And, you know, you got to work,
• 4:49:30
  extra hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness because they
• 4:49:32
  have so much on the line, you know, I mean not only Are you
• 4:49:37
  dealing with this? You know, incredible attachment
• 4:49:40
  to this belief that they've been raised in their entire life.
• 4:49:43
  But then, you know, you have the threat of that, that shunning,
• 4:49:47
  if they decide to, you know, abandon their faith, they're not
• 4:49:51
  gonna lose just, you know, their position in the church, they're
• 4:49:56
  gonna lose everything, they're going to lose, potentially their
• 4:49:59
  business, they're going to lose their family.
• 4:50:01
  They're gonna lose their friends, you know, they're going
• 4:50:03
  to completely be isolated and shun, it's catastrophic.
• 4:50:07
  I mean, when You know, when you're putting in a position
• 4:50:11
  where you're basically cultivated to rely upon these
• 4:50:15
  people, you know, heavily and then the the threat emerges,
• 4:50:19
  where you're going to, where you're going to suffer, where
• 4:50:22
  you're going to be, you know, expelled.
• 4:50:25
  And that's going to isolate and cut you off. you know, from the
• 4:50:30
  entirety of everyone that supported you and loved you and
• 4:50:33
  I mean, the emotional and and physical catastrophe of such a
• 4:50:39
  thing. And they'll defend it, they'll
• 4:50:41
  defend it with that. You know, First Corinthians 5
• 4:50:45
  situation with the guy that was banging, his mom or whatever.
• 4:50:48
  The hell was going on there and they had to deliver them up to
• 4:50:52
  Satan, you know, for the destruction of the flesh.
• 4:50:54
  So that his soul maybe saved on the day of redemption and those
• 4:50:58
  cite passages like this to justify this really, this really
• 4:51:02
  heinous act of not going along with their specific Doctrine,
• 4:51:08
  and Dogma not engaging in some prolific heinous, a moral sin,
• 4:51:13
  but just disagreeing with the centralized core dogma of the
• 4:51:19
  Watchtower sociation. And you're now, you're now fit
• 4:51:22
  to be expelled and excommunicated and just Throwing
• 4:51:26
  the hell out. In fact, you guys want to really
• 4:51:29
  interesting afternoon, but I recommend this to people out
• 4:51:32
  there, go look at some of the people who secretly recorded,
• 4:51:35
  you know, there are expulsion, you know, from the Jehovah's
• 4:51:39
  Witnesses and some of the Colts and, and see how basically
• 4:51:43
  sometimes it manifests just because you're asking the wrong
• 4:51:46
  questions that they can't answer.
• 4:51:48
  You know, and you risk losing. connection to everyone you've
• 4:51:54
  ever known and loved and I guess one thing, I wish the Christians
• 4:51:58
  were man. I wish the Christians were a
• 4:52:02
  little more proactive on this, but one thing I have to
• 4:52:04
  unfortunately, give credit to The Atheist, for is the atheists
• 4:52:10
  do have, you know, the freedom from religion Foundation, And
• 4:52:14
  one of the things they do is assist people who are in these
• 4:52:18
  positions to where they are catastrophically, harmed by one,
• 4:52:22
  to leave their cold and offer them resources and support to
• 4:52:27
  kind of get back on their feet and, you know, get counseling
• 4:52:31
  and survive, you know, the catastrophic separation of
• 4:52:35
  everything that they've known and loved and complete
• 4:52:39
  alienation from their family and the trauma and isolation of that
• 4:52:42
  causes. I wish we had Christian.
• 4:52:47
  Organizations, that were more proactive about such a thing,
• 4:52:53
  maybe we do. I haven't heard of them, they
• 4:52:56
  might be out there, but if they exist, I haven't heard of them.
• 4:52:59
  But I sure should have heard of the freedom from religion
• 4:53:03
  Foundation that the atheist talked about a lot and that's
• 4:53:06
  one of their main goals and if they they assist someone, you
• 4:53:10
  know, in the trauma of that of that, alienation of that
• 4:53:14
  shunning just because they're questioning the insane
• 4:53:18
  non-sensible doctrines of these, deranged hedonistic cults.
• 4:53:23
  I mean not that JW's or he missed it more than sure as fuk
• 4:53:28
  are JW's? Not so much, but No, this is
• 4:53:31
  this is this is a tragedy for these people.
• 4:53:34
  We should have compassion when they knock on your door.
• 4:53:37
  You should look at these people as poor victims, you know, and
• 4:53:44
  you should treat him as such. If you're if these people are
• 4:53:47
  knocking on your door and you're not filled with some sense of
• 4:53:52
  sympathy or empathy. I would question your morality
• 4:53:56
  to be honest with you, their victims, they're deceived.
• 4:53:59
  They're not, they, they should. They should have better.
• 4:54:05
  They should have the opportunity and here's the thing, I think
• 4:54:10
  part of that testimony is important.
• 4:54:12
  If you're if your testimony of a kind-hearted patient, Christian
• 4:54:16
  has ever mattered more in your entire damn life.
• 4:54:20
  It matters. When that cultist, knocks on
• 4:54:23
  your door, you should you should feel in my opinion, and my view,
• 4:54:27
  you should feel an overwhelming. Sense of sympathy and pity.
• 4:54:34
  For this person. And she want to extend every bit
• 4:54:39
  of compassion and opportunity of patience to try to guide them
• 4:54:43
  out of their position and maybe you won't, maybe you won't, but
• 4:54:47
  maybe you plan a seed, maybe you bring up, you know, an idea or
• 4:54:51
  perspective or an argument that they've never heard before.
• 4:54:55
  And you can then operate from that position, you know, and the
• 4:55:00
  Holy Spirit now has a foot hold, you don't know.
• 4:55:03
  But do something be willing to really, really what your light
• 4:55:08
  shine when that opportunity emerges. so, It more Mormons.
• 4:55:16
  I don't feel is intense about. They're usually pretty subtle
• 4:55:20
  and they're like that's a good question.
• 4:55:23
  That's an interesting point and you could tell that they're
• 4:55:26
  authentic about it. Whenever they say it, they're
• 4:55:28
  not just bullshiting you so they can hit the road.
• 4:55:30
  I'm not going some more doors, but tell the Witnesses, on the
• 4:55:33
  other hand, I found myself an arguments with them like, for
• 4:55:37
  instance, we had some neighbors a while back years ago or Joe
• 4:55:41
  Witnesses and they believe that blood transfusion was wrong and
• 4:55:44
  taking your child to a hospital to get sick.
• 4:55:47
  And I remember getting into it with them, and I tried saying,
• 4:55:50
  look, If you, if you believe in God and you have to believe that
• 4:55:55
  God works through people to be able to do things and all that
• 4:55:59
  shows at all throughout the Bible.
• 4:56:00
  So you shouldn't tempt, the Lord, don't let your kids sit
• 4:56:04
  there and be sick and not do something about it.
• 4:56:06
  And I thought very passionate when arguing on this.
• 4:56:10
  Unfortunately, they did not listen to me.
• 4:56:12
  The kid did not die. But somebody else ended up
• 4:56:15
  calling the police and saying their kids are in the way to the
• 4:56:19
  grave of something doesn't get done and that turned into a real
• 4:56:22
  shit sandwich with the bread. Hmm.
• 4:56:27
  Yeah. Very much more questions.
• 4:56:31
  Well too, yeah, I'll tell you what.
• 4:56:33
  We got about five minutes before the five-hour Mark.
• 4:56:36
  Let's say one more. Let's go ahead and pick a good
• 4:56:39
  one, pick something, pick something deep pick.
• 4:56:42
  Something profound challenge me with something.
• 4:56:43
  Something that you really think is kind of been standing out
• 4:56:46
  your mind that you're really want to ask me.
• 4:56:49
  Well actually a majority of the questions all stand out to me.
• 4:56:53
  I was very very interested in hearing what your views aren't.
• 4:56:56
  But I think that this next one actually that is on the list
• 4:57:00
  will move you because you've actually ran into people like
• 4:57:03
  this and you dealt with it. The Universalist the people who
• 4:57:07
  think there's many different ways.
• 4:57:09
  Oh, how do you respond to the claim?
• 4:57:13
  The Christianity is just one of many paths to God.
• 4:57:16
  There you go, that fire you up. Yeah, well and yeah, there's
• 4:57:22
  there's a couple different types of universalists, by the way, um
• 4:57:27
  and and I guess maybe to delineate, there's a
• 4:57:29
  Universalist and there's a pluralist.
• 4:57:31
  I think what you're describing is kind of more of a, more of a
• 4:57:35
  pluralist that's more of like. Yeah we're multiple religions
• 4:57:39
  can ultimately lead to Salvation, you know, which is
• 4:57:42
  which is by the way directly contrary to what the Bible says
• 4:57:45
  you buy Bibles, very clear. That's the only way to God is
• 4:57:49
  Jesus Christ. The only path to Salvation is
• 4:57:51
  Faith in Jesus Christ. So, so Christianity is
• 4:57:56
  extremely, anti pluralistic, while some viewpoints are very
• 4:58:03
  pluralistic or present, the idea of multiple paths, to God, the
• 4:58:08
  arguments recently with Catholicism and Vatican, too
• 4:58:11
  seem to present ideas that, you know, people outside of the
• 4:58:16
  Catholic faith. That even like Islam can be
• 4:58:20
  saved. This is a prefer version of
• 4:58:23
  everything with their traditional teaching and stance
• 4:58:26
  is an understanding which is causing them to go into a huge
• 4:58:29
  gigantic hoopla. So I'm sorry the question.
• 4:58:34
  One more time. Brett, I Had a Brain reset.
• 4:58:36
  I'm so sorry. One more time good.
• 4:58:38
  You've been going at it for five hours.
• 4:58:40
  I can't even get some of these religious prayer.
• 4:58:43
  Just hit me all the sudden, right?
• 4:58:45
  I'm like, wait, what was the question?
• 4:58:46
  I'm so sorry. Now I I gotta say absolute
• 4:58:50
  respect, you've been going at this for five hours.
• 4:58:53
  I can't get some of these bastards out here to do it for
• 4:58:56
  five minutes. Without them pissing their
• 4:58:59
  pants, this is beautiful. Okay, how do you respond to the
• 4:59:03
  claim that Christianity is this one of many paths to God
• 4:59:07
  pluralism, right. Okay, so, yeah.
• 4:59:10
  So yeah, universalism is more like everyone is saved like Andy
• 4:59:14
  Capp, you know, believes in the universalism so like he's kind
• 4:59:17
  of like but that's that's again, that's that's religious
• 4:59:20
  Universal. Religious universalism is like
• 4:59:23
  pluralism multiple religiously to God and then there's Andy's
• 4:59:25
  universalism or someday. We're all gonna be sitting and
• 4:59:28
  having, you know, tea and crumpets with Jesus Hitler Mouse
• 4:59:31
  and every other murderous goddamn hateful asshole that the
• 4:59:35
  world has ever seen. So, you know, yeah, you're going
• 4:59:37
  to be able to play cricket with fucking Genghis Khan or
• 4:59:40
  something up there in the heavens.
• 4:59:42
  You know, that's gonna be totally fine, that's Andy's cap,
• 4:59:44
  that's you, that's his type of kind of salvific, you know, And
• 4:59:48
  then there's the religious universalism which is pluralism,
• 4:59:51
  which is really was what bread is saying.
• 4:59:52
  And I think, of course, in in the Viewpoint of Christianity,
• 4:59:57
  which I'm Christian, which I believe that Christianity is
• 5:00:00
  extremely non pluralistic, in fact, Christianity by Nature by
• 5:00:05
  Christ's own teaching is narrow. There is a narrow road and few
• 5:00:10
  there, be that find it. So, the path to Salvation is
• 5:00:14
  something that is narrow and consideration of all of the
• 5:00:19
  viewpoints. So different to look at the view
• 5:00:22
  or look at the idea that Christianity could be one of
• 5:00:26
  many roads. That ultimately lead to God is
• 5:00:31
  very, very clearly. A direct contradiction to the
• 5:00:36
  teachings, both implicitly and explicitly of scriptures.
• 5:00:40
  So if you're claiming to be a pluralist or God forbid, maybe
• 5:00:45
  even someone like a crystal at who believes that.
• 5:00:48
  Islam and Christianity are equally valid and synergistic,
• 5:00:51
  which is one of the most I'm sorry to say this dafri because
• 5:00:56
  I know you're one of them but that is a comically absurd
• 5:01:00
  position to hold to try and think that there's any type of
• 5:01:03
  synergy whatsoever between Christianity and the Revelation,
• 5:01:08
  and the Hadith in the Quran. That's absurd, it's comical.
• 5:01:11
  It's horrible to even take that position.
• 5:01:13
  So, if you adopt Christianity, true Christianity, really what
• 5:01:18
  Christianity actually is and teaches, it's impossible for you
• 5:01:22
  to be a pluralist and if Christianity is true, then
• 5:01:25
  there's no form of pluralism. That can be true.
• 5:01:28
  Any type of religion that claims?
• 5:01:31
  Hey Christianity is true but also we are true is a lot.
• 5:01:38
  Okay, I'm this is by the way, this is I just might as well
• 5:01:43
  bring this up now because this is the grand.
• 5:01:46
  You know? Muslim dilemma Islamic dilemma
• 5:01:51
  with scripture is the fact that The Quran, the Muslim religion
• 5:01:56
  drops, focus on verifies validates, the Bible, it points
• 5:02:02
  to the Bible and says, hey, the Bible, the in jail, the New
• 5:02:06
  Testament, revelation of the new testament, which they call the
• 5:02:09
  NGO and the Torah, the Old Testament is giving to the Jews.
• 5:02:13
  Guessed. What the Quran says trust that
• 5:02:16
  book? That book is true.
• 5:02:19
  That book is accurate. That book is irrelevant
• 5:02:22
  Revelation from the holy God. so, if the Bible is true, As the
• 5:02:28
  Quran says. And then the Bible looks at the
• 5:02:31
  cron and says, no, the Quran is false the holy.
• 5:02:34
  God is never commanded these. Things never would command these
• 5:02:37
  things. Know, what are you talking
• 5:02:38
  about? The very the mother of Jesus,
• 5:02:41
  and Mary, the sister of Moses are not the same person. and,
• 5:02:47
  and the fact that the Quran records, this Shows that whoever
• 5:02:52
  wrote it is not only not God, they're in illiterate idiot, who
• 5:02:57
  doesn't know anything about the history that they're commenting
• 5:03:01
  on to make such a comically bad error.
• 5:03:04
  Or to represent the trinity knot as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
• 5:03:10
  But as father, son and Mary. Okay, this is this showing that
• 5:03:16
  whoever wrote the cross. Was either stupid.
• 5:03:22
  Or unknowing unknowing of the religion that they were
• 5:03:25
  critiquing or talking about. Um, and therefore can't possibly
• 5:03:30
  be true. So the simple argument is this
• 5:03:34
  If? Islam is true.
• 5:03:37
  Then the Bible is true. But if the Bible is true, that
• 5:03:42
  Islam is false. And this is the Islamic dilemma.
• 5:03:47
  So to claim something like Chris lamb is pure absurdity.
• 5:03:51
  Pure absolute absurdity. So, any type of pluralism that
• 5:03:57
  attempts to include Christianity is just a lie.
• 5:04:01
  Because Christianity is very explicitly and implicitly non
• 5:04:07
  pluralistic. So, in terms of Like to me from
• 5:04:11
  my viewpoint, from my standard of Christianity, pluralism isn't
• 5:04:16
  even possible. It's pure absurdity.
• 5:04:18
  It's just a desperate grab out of some sort of justification.
• 5:04:24
  To allow people who are condemned to be saved to
• 5:04:28
  convince yourself of a pleasant lie, as opposed to addressing An
• 5:04:32
  Inconvenient Truth and be willing to act on it.
• 5:04:35
  So to me, pluralism is impossible.
• 5:04:37
  And certainly anyone attempting to hold a pluralist position
• 5:04:41
  that adopts Christianity is, just ignorant and, and adopting
• 5:04:47
  or claiming a version of Christianity.
• 5:04:49
  That is not the true Christianity, because I'll tell
• 5:04:51
  you this very clearly, and I'll be very, very keen on this.
• 5:04:54
  And I'll debate anyone on this topic.
• 5:04:56
  Okay? The true, Christianity is
• 5:04:59
  explicitly and implicitly directly non pluralistic.
• 5:05:03
  And if Christianity is not pluralistic, then pluralism is
• 5:05:07
  impossible, period and a story. And ultimate anyone on that
• 5:05:11
  topic, anyone that wants to All right.
• 5:05:15
  Well, I guess we should wrap it up.
• 5:05:17
  Brett, thank you so much, man. This was a good time.
• 5:05:20
  I actually really enjoyed this. Well, if you want to do a part
• 5:05:24
  two sometime later, after you've relaxed and chilled and stomped
• 5:05:28
  a couple mud holes, that's Manassas.
• 5:05:30
  It's all good. We can do, that's some more.
• 5:05:32
  I've always got things that I'm wondering about or hear other
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  people's perspectives aren't things, all right.
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  There's two things. There's two ways that we can
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  handle the recording. You can either download the
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  recording sent to me, or I can download it after processes.
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  If I do that, I'm going to have to wait like a day and a half
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  for the 100% process are won't allow me to download.
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  It is it it would be saved on my stream.
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  I can probably send you a link from the streamyard for the
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  recording, right? As long as it provides.
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  A download thing, I seen where it allows you to download the
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  video or the audio version. I prefer the video version
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  though because people can watch it on Spotify and hundreds of
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  other outlets that way. So yeah we'll you did get my
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  email clearly because you were able to join the stream.
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  Yeah let's let's chat on email. Let me look for it.
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  Let me see if I can get a link. If I can't get a link, we'll set
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  something up to get it. Sent over to you whichever way
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  you need. We'll get it.
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  Figured out your recording will probably be about two to three
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  gigabytes and all that but it should store it and what is it
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  called? Google storage.
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  Whenever you email it I'd be able to get it that way or we
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  just wait for a day and a half and then I can just download it
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  that way, but it definitely won't download until it's
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  processed completely. Only reason people are able to
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  get these nasty clips of us to go far and this and shit as they
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  stream wild. We're streaming.
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  They screen record. Yeah, I've had to do that too.
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  Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.
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  Recording things to catch stuff that happens on the Fly because
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  I don't want it to be deleted. I've done that before.
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  Yeah, Bruce's death threat to me.
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  It was a good thing that I recorded that live because that
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  I waited until the That would have been to completely deleted
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  and exited out of existence. So yeah, trust me.
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  I know what you mean. But yeah, we'll get it figured
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  out and I really appreciate the time.
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  Brett and I really enjoyed this. And yeah man, thanks for doing
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  and actually would be happy to do.
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  Certainly a part two at some point, even after some of this
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  free Grace stuff, you know, shakes out and the like and
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  certainly even I move on to some of this Catholic stuff and back
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  on to, some of the atheist stuff too because, you know, that is
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  right for the picking as well and my perspective.
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  So, yeah, but I had a great time.
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  I hope everyone else did as well.
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  Again, Brett's channel is down in the description below, so go
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  down there and click and give him a sub.
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  Are you doing live shows on that channel now?
• 5:08:01
  Brad or I have to do it on the bright King live thing.
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  I can't do it on my main Channel, where the music is I
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  have got a hold of YouTube team and YouTube and our next.
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  And they keep saying, well, we we don't know what the Problem
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  is or whatever. And I said, well, somebody
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  better figure some shit out because it just keeps happening
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  to people. People are not going to want to
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  do it. There's one more thing I want to
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  say, I appreciate you playing the music and all that, that was
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  really awesome. Unfortunately, when you go back
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  through your video and listen, you're probably gonna find out
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  that the song sounded like they were playing through a AM radio
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  or to a toilet roll. So it's a little rough.
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  So my suggestion is if if you enjoy the music at all, if you
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  sincerely like some of it and want to use it in the future,
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  just simply download the tracks that you want and upload them in
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  the Stream yards and play them that way, and then no play
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  quality for you. Cool, perfect.
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  Beautiful. I love it.
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  I think you did great with with your music.
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  I hope at least a lot of success.
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  I pray for that and you know, that God would bless you on some
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  of those as well. Brett and yeah, me some great
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  opportunities emerge for all of us.
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  So the special, as we kind of fight the good fight.
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  Of a lot of these, you know, bad doctrines and giving people the
• 5:09:20
  opportunity to see good arguments and good perspectives
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  and I've seen you being willing to play your part and that as
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  well which is very encouraging as well.
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  So thank you for your time Brad I had a great time and yeah I
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  look forward to maybe doing a round two and I think everyone
• 5:09:37
  in the chat everyone that was here for it.
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  I hope you guys enjoyed it as well.
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  Be sure to like subscribe you know hit the Bell notification
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  so you don't miss the live shows.
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  And if you have any other thoughts or ideas you know be
• 5:09:50
  sure to drop it down in the comments below and we'll
• 5:09:53
  certainly look forward to doing this.
• 5:09:55
  Doing this again in the future is any other final words you
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  like to say there? Brett.
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  Yeah. And my Community page, I'm going
• 5:10:02
  to repost the video and I'm also going to put a collection of the
• 5:10:06
  questions that you were asked, if there's any Christians out
• 5:10:09
  there, that found some of the quests and inspiring or
• 5:10:12
  interesting, and you have a perspective, I am more than
• 5:10:15
  happy to hear. Or see what it is that you got
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  going on. I think you did a good job and I
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  meant that sincerely. What I said on my last Community
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  page, that's one of the reasons I respect you because you are
• 5:10:28
  open-minded and being willing to be challenged, you'd be
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  surprised how many assholes on the internet.
• 5:10:34
  Get totally terrified at the idea of open up about the kind
• 5:10:38
  of stuff. I know it's a lot of it's a lot
• 5:10:42
  of fragile ego and, you know, I think even an ability to really
• 5:10:47
  defend the position that they hold, like, they want to hold it
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  but they don't, you know, they can't necessarily defend it.
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  And I think that the idea of having to actually scares them,
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  you know, in some instances like, like, even showing up to
• 5:10:59
  look like the idiot, you know, that kind of that makes them
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  afraid like they're not really as confident in this belief, as
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  they kind of seemed to declare that they are think that they
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  are. So, yeah, I appreciate it.
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  Brett, thank you for the compliment.
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  Yeah, you know me, I mean I'm this is me, this is what I'm
• 5:11:13
  about, you know, I'm always happy for these challenges and
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  you know, that's what my channel is about all ones.
• 5:11:19
  We'll have panel chats, whatever it is.
• 5:11:20
  But yeah, if you want to open engagement and real honest
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  sincere, you know, communication and you want to put out
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  challenges and actually get answered and handled, you know,
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  the place to come. That's the smoke room.
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  So thank you Brad. I really appreciate it.
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  Thank you for being here. Thank you for going to do this.
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  Thank you for everyone inside chat.
• 5:11:37
  And yeah, we're gonna wrap up the show Please, all the socials
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  are down there. Go ahead and subscribe, do
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  everything. Give Brett some love and some
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  support. We appreciate everything and all
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  of you take care and have yourselves a great night.
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  We wish peace of Christ. All the true Saints and Brett,
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  King, and Smoky Saint our signing out.