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Normally Podcast: Biden's Final Moves and National Security · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys.
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Speaker 2: Here we are on normally the show with normalist takes,
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Speaker 2: but when the news gets weird, I am Mary Catherine
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Speaker 2: Ham and I am Carol Marco.
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Speaker 1: It's him Mary Catherine. So nice to be on with you.
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Speaker 1: And are your kids back at school?
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Speaker 2: Yet they are not because we have like eight inches
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Speaker 2: of snow so in the mid Atlantic that means we're
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Speaker 2: we're on ice literally and figuratively for three days now.
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Speaker 1: I'm one of those parents who loves having her kids home.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I kind of I jokingly blame myself for
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Speaker 1: COVID when in February twenty twenty I said that I
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Speaker 1: hope that this break never ends, and then it never did.
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Speaker 1: Oops that was me. Sorry, guys, but I have to
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Speaker 1: tell you the quiet in my house today not bad.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I also like having my kids home,
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Speaker 2: and when everyone is like, oh no, they're going to
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Speaker 2: be kept out of school tomorrow, I'm like, oh, yes, yes,
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Speaker 2: will be fun.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: I know, I have some flexibility to hang with them,
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Speaker 2: which is fun. Although I'm not great in the snow,
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Speaker 2: I try to buck up and like pretend I'm great
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Speaker 2: in the snow. Yeah, Like I can do it. I
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Speaker 2: know how to wear warm clothes and boots and walk around.
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Speaker 2: But it's sort of half hearted, so I'm trying to
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Speaker 2: like put my heart into it for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I too, am not a snow fan. I mean
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Speaker 1: I like watching it from like a nice cozy warm
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Speaker 1: room with us. Yeah, yes, that is the snow. I enjoy,
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Speaker 1: not actually touching it or being in it.
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Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. Speaking of fires, Biden's
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Speaker 2: going out in a blaze of glory, Carol.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's decided to really spend these last few weeks.
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Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't decide anything. His staffers have decided
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Speaker 1: that he will spend these last few weeks making up
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Speaker 1: for four years of not being president, and he's making
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Speaker 1: some crazy moves, which in particular you're referring to.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so this is a little bit lower on
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Speaker 2: the scale for maybe some people, but it's a good
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Speaker 2: It's a good one to keep your eye on. Is
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Speaker 2: this idea that a Japanese company was going to acquire
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Speaker 2: and give a huge infusion of cash to the sort
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Speaker 2: of iconic American company US Steel. A lot of US
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Speaker 2: steel workers were in favor of this. Union leadership is
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Speaker 2: not the company really needs an infusion of cash, but
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Speaker 2: the sort of official process, wouldn't you know it. They
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Speaker 2: came back saying this is a national security threat to
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Speaker 2: have an ally help with this company, and the Japanese
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Speaker 2: had given all sorts of concessions saying they'd moved their
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Speaker 2: headquarters to Pittsburgh. And even some liberal economists and people
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Speaker 2: who have sort of basic economic sense are like, this
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Speaker 2: is an ideological and political move. It's going to discourage
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Speaker 2: allies in the future. And here's the thing. The national
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Speaker 2: security risk is the chance that you might have less
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Speaker 2: steel produced in this country. You know what also might
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Speaker 2: cause that if US steel collapses.
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Speaker 1: Right, let me think, Yeah, I.
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Speaker 2: Get we're in a populist moment, but this seemed not great.
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Speaker 1: Why is right? And the thing is that we don't
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Speaker 1: because we don't know who's making these decisions. We have
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Speaker 1: no idea what their motivations are. Maybe this person's going
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Speaker 1: to go work for the steel union after the Biden
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Speaker 1: administration is done. We really just don't know.
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Speaker 2: Do you think if Hunter had had a job with
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Speaker 2: Nippon Steel the thing would have gotten approved. I'm just
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Speaker 2: I'm just spitballing.
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Speaker 1: For all we know, Hunter has a job with somebody
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Speaker 1: who doesn't want this approved, and that's why it's not
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Speaker 1: getting approved. We just don't know. Is really the opaqueness
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Speaker 1: of this administration the lack of curiosity from the media.
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Speaker 1: I know, in previous episodes we've talked about how the
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Speaker 1: media is finally finally saying, like the untold story is
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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden, you know, was incapacitated for most of
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Speaker 1: this presidency. But I kind of am starting and I
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Speaker 1: tweeted this and it became a viral tweet. I really
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Speaker 1: do think that the real story that they're specifically not
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Speaker 1: telling is that there's a lot of corruption going on
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Speaker 1: in this administration and we don't know who is getting
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Speaker 1: paid for why, and who's going to go where and
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Speaker 1: why these decisions are being made. So it's a really
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Speaker 1: tough little situation we have where the media remains in
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Speaker 1: curious and we don't know what who's making the decisions
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Speaker 1: and why.
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Speaker 2: And this one doesn't look like a great one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Does anyway? Did anyone tell him he's not still trying
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Speaker 2: to win Pennsylvania? Maybe I thinks he's just still working
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Speaker 2: on it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why, which is why I think it's
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Speaker 1: something nefarious, because I don't think it's for political goals
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Speaker 1: in the future. Are they thinking that four years from
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Speaker 1: now the steel workers union will remember that this moment
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Speaker 1: and say, Okay, we're going to push our members to
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Speaker 1: vote for Democrats And I don't know. Similarly, a similar story,
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Speaker 1: Biden is preparing to issue a decree A Bloomberg reporter
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Speaker 1: called it that and not an executive order, to permanently
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Speaker 1: ban new offshore oil and gas development in some US
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Speaker 1: coastal waters, locking in difficult to revoke protections during his
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Speaker 1: final weeks in the White House. Again, do we know
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Speaker 1: why this is happening? Do we know who is behind this?
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Speaker 1: Do do we think Biden has any idea this is
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Speaker 1: going on? And you know, it's easy to imagine that
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Speaker 1: there's staffers who are going to move to being anti
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Speaker 1: gas and oil lobbyists who are putting this, you know,
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Speaker 1: in front of him. So it's a very worrying thing.
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Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about how having a president
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Speaker 1: who's really not with it is a security issue, is
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Speaker 1: a national security issue. I think this is these are
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Speaker 1: really examples of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like once you once everyone admits that
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Speaker 2: this guy's not doing the job, the elected president isn't
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Speaker 2: capable of doing the job. Anything that's hard to revoke
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Speaker 2: you should not have your hands on.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Also, I don't understand why anything it is hard to
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Speaker 2: revoke that's done with the stroke of a pen. It
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Speaker 2: should be able to be undecreed. I think, as you
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Speaker 2: put it, very quickly, and I'm sure it will go
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Speaker 2: to court. Maybe they'll, you know, venue shop and try
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Speaker 2: to find somebody who will say it's fine to keep
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Speaker 2: it and that Trump Trump magically has no power in
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Speaker 2: this area. But right, I can't imagine why it would
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Speaker 2: be impossible to rever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was told if I voted for
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, democracy would be in danger, and they.
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Speaker 2: Were right, that's what they told us.
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Speaker 1: Yep. They also this last few days flurry of presidential
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Speaker 1: freedom medals, which made little to no sense. Like, Okay,
6:21
Speaker 1: Lionel Messi, you know, I live in Florida. He plays
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Speaker 1: for inter Miami. He is a gigantic superstar, amazing, love him, fantastic.
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Speaker 1: He didn't show up to the ceremony, which was extra
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Speaker 1: funny to me because he just he's the kind of
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Speaker 1: guy who simply wouldn't care about that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: But why would he get the medal. Why would he
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Speaker 1: get that Presidential Medal of Freedom in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted this, but it's likely a staffer just wanted
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Speaker 1: to meet MESSI and was like, you know, this is
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Speaker 1: how we're going to do it, and he showed them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of that in the modern
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Speaker 2: era is cool people I want to meet, so you're
6:59
Speaker 2: give out awards for that. I was looking back at
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Speaker 2: the history of giving these out and it looks like
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Speaker 2: about most presidents starting with I believe JFK gave forty
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Speaker 2: to fifty per term, or yeah, about thirty five to
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Speaker 2: fifty per term. Donald Trump's lower it was like twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Barack Obama, it won't surprise you needed to meet like
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Speaker 2: sixty cool people per term, so he really blew it out,
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Speaker 2: and Biden is actually on the same pace to do
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Speaker 2: about sixty this term. I'm going to surprise you by
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Speaker 2: saying that I think it's good that Hillary Clinton got
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Speaker 2: this award because I was looking at the stats and like,
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Speaker 2: not that many novelists and fiction writers get it. And
7:42
Speaker 2: she created one of the worst spy novels of all time,
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Speaker 2: but an indelible work in the Steele dossier through the
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Speaker 2: funding of her campaign, which created a four year fantasy
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Speaker 2: in the intel community and the press called Russia Gate.
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Speaker 2: And so I just I think she should be recognized
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Speaker 2: for that, and sure I hope to see her really
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Speaker 2: good work on her also totally fictional presidency, So that
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Speaker 2: will be that'll be fun. Stay tuned.
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Speaker 1: Well, you just see her in her metal standing in
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Speaker 1: front of her portrait saying, how it's how it started,
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Speaker 1: how it's going, Like it's not going that great? That great?
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Speaker 2: That's that's the other thing is like Hillary and Alex Soros, Well,
8:23
Speaker 2: Alex Sorris is George Soros's son. Sorus is a huge,
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Speaker 2: like gargantuan liberal donor who gives to most, notably the
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Speaker 2: das who don't think crime is a problem.
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Speaker 1: Right, the non psecuting das.
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Speaker 2: So between Hillary, who lost to Trump before, and Soros,
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Speaker 2: you're sort of just saying, losing is what we're about, right,
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Speaker 2: these are the people we want to reward.
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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. I Actually the only one that I really
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Speaker 1: liked of the bunch was Ralph Lauren. I mean American
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Speaker 1: Icon why not? I liked that award? Bill Ny the
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Speaker 1: science guy, I mean, come on.
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Speaker 2: That guy I find him pretty insufferable, Like I like
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Speaker 2: Denzel a lot, and he's super super talented. It was
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Speaker 2: interesting looking back that once, probably not surprising once you
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Speaker 2: get into the Obama and Biden years that like sort
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Speaker 2: of fine arts like painters and writers not as often
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Speaker 2: recognized much more after Hollywood vibe. Yes, yes, poets or something.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's Staffer is probably making these decisions. At
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Speaker 1: least for Biden. Obama I think probably had his cool list,
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Speaker 1: you know, he went to his playlist and saw which
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Speaker 1: positions he wanted to meet. But it's probably Stafford's deciding
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Speaker 1: who they think is you know, is cool and want
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Speaker 1: to have at the White House.
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Speaker 2: Which, to be fair, i'd be like, I'm giving it
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Speaker 2: to Dolly and Charles Barklay immediately and just call him
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Speaker 2: in to meet him.
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Speaker 1: Has Dolly not got one?
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Speaker 2: Please say no, she has been offered one, but she
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Speaker 2: has declined.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, not even like doesn't attend but gets it anyway.
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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's very Dolly.
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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it is very Dolly. Now, notably, it did
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Speaker 2: take place during the Trump administration, so was she like
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Speaker 2: trying to stay away from that or is she being
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Speaker 2: Dolly esque in her You know, I'm not good enough
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Speaker 2: for this vibe, but it was very gracious in the
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Speaker 2: way that she did it, if I remember correctly, right, well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course Dolly can do nothing wrong. Well, speaking
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Speaker 1: of people not showing up to the first Trump administration,
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Speaker 1: you know, galas and events that may maybe show up
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Speaker 1: to the second will be right back on normally, back
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Speaker 1: to the vibe shift. The last few days have been
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Speaker 1: more examples of this vibe shift, starting with Whitney Cummings
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Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve. She was on with CNN, and
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Speaker 1: she was had a great time making fun of everything
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Speaker 1: that she wasn't supposed to make fun of. She kept
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Speaker 1: stopping and saying, like, am I still on? Like surprise
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Speaker 1: that they hadn't cut her off. It was Anderson Cooper
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Speaker 1: and and Andy Cohen, Yeah, Andy Cohen, right, So she
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Speaker 1: you know, just generally made fun of them. But she
11:19
Speaker 1: also she started off right away as soon as she
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Speaker 1: got on making fun of CNN. Let's roll that clip.
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Speaker 1: I'm touring all over for all of twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Very white, and it's the best. I love going around
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Speaker 2: the country because you see that Americans really are more
11:34
Speaker 2: reasonable than they would be portrayed there pretty great. And
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Speaker 2: I'm playing bigger and bigger venues now.
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Speaker 1: I thought being a mom would mean that less people
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Speaker 1: want to come see me. I'm not playing you know,
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Speaker 1: like fig thousand seats. Pater ask us about the viewership
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Speaker 1: of CNN these days. We're not this show. All eye
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Speaker 1: on this show. Amazing ouch.
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Speaker 2: She really, like, I do admire someone who with a
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Speaker 2: live mic on live TV will do the thing. And
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Speaker 2: she really went for listing stories that the mainstream media
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Speaker 2: won't touch. She did, and you know she was making them.
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Speaker 2: Everyone there very nervous. But the reason she was there
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Speaker 2: is because Whitney Cummings is a cool chick. Like for
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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine Ham, they would cut that mic. They'd be like, ma'am, ma'am.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I need to have like you need to
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Speaker 2: move along. Whitney Cummings, she's like one of them, right.
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Speaker 2: She's an edgy, formerly very liberal comedian. But I've noticed
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Speaker 2: in her podcast clips over the years her asking questions
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Speaker 2: about things that we're not supposed to ask questions about.
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Speaker 2: She does do these shows around the country where she
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Speaker 2: does crowd work and asks normal people what they think
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Speaker 2: of things.
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Speaker 1: Right, imagine that CN ended that it's an idea, right,
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Speaker 1: So after that she tweeted if I was going to
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Speaker 1: be on CNN after the ball dropped, I was going
12:51
Speaker 1: to say, can we say it's twenty twenty five or
12:53
Speaker 1: are we still waiting for the White House Press Office
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Speaker 1: to give the okay? And then somebody asked, is Whitney
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Speaker 1: Cummings based and she said, I think having a kid helps,
13:03
Speaker 1: which you know, you and I have talked about this,
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Speaker 1: We know this. Yeah, having a kid definitely makes you
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Speaker 1: more conservative, less likely to have insane ideas. And Whitney Cummings,
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Speaker 1: welcome to sanity, Glad to have you, happy.
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Speaker 2: To have you here, and happy to have somebody who's
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Speaker 2: like brave enough to talk about it. You know, of
13:23
Speaker 2: course we are in a new era.
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Speaker 1: We are, We are in this new era.
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Speaker 2: Groast comedians just leading us into the new era.
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Speaker 1: They are, they are, you know, Dave Marc has made
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Speaker 1: this comment once to me, and I mean, maybe it's
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Speaker 1: not a it's not a barfetched thing. Maybe other people
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Speaker 1: say it as well, but comedy was sort of protected
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Speaker 1: from wokeness. I mean, yes, comedians got canceled for you know,
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Speaker 1: in that woke era for sure, but it's either you
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Speaker 1: laugh or you don't, and there's no like we like
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Speaker 1: this person and we want you to find them funny.
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Speaker 1: That can only last so long. I mean they tried it,
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Speaker 1: for sure, they tried comedians that said the right things,
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Speaker 1: but unless you were laughing, it didn't matter. And so
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Speaker 1: comedy will save us all, I think.
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Speaker 2: Well, and we wrote about that actually, if I may
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Speaker 2: plug Guy Benson I End of Discussion, which came out
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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen but is still pretty relevant. Unfortunately great
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Speaker 2: for book sales back for the country. But one of
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Speaker 2: the things we noted is that comedians were like on
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Speaker 2: the front lines of fighting this because the ones who
14:25
Speaker 2: weren't woke were saying, we have to be able to
14:29
Speaker 2: first draft it up there on stage height and some
14:31
Speaker 2: things are not going to work, and that's how we
14:34
Speaker 2: learned that they don't work. And so if we can't
14:36
Speaker 2: be doing that, you will not get comedy that is
14:40
Speaker 2: perfected at some point or improved.
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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Absolutely, you need to be able to try
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Speaker 1: out material and not have people cancel you. And that's
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Speaker 1: an important part of comedy. Another thing that happened Nicki
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Speaker 1: Glazer hosted at the Golden Globes is last weekend. And
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Speaker 1: look in another era, in a January award show after
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump won election, this would have been wall to
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Speaker 1: wall crying and rendering of the garments, and of course
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Speaker 1: the host would talk about nothing but the evil Republicans,
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Speaker 1: and every speech would say how the country is in
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Speaker 1: danger and we all have to kind of braced ourselves
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Speaker 1: for the end of America. That didn't happen. That did
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Speaker 1: not happen. And so here's another example of that vibe.
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Speaker 2: Shit. Yeah, there was very little resistance content. And Glazer's monologue,
15:31
Speaker 2: you know, she made one comment about how you guys
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Speaker 2: are so powerful you can tell anyone what to do,
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Speaker 2: except for the American people who do elect for president.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, try again next time. But when she was making
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Speaker 2: jokes about politics, they were funny. She was like calling
15:47
Speaker 2: out some hypocrisy in the room and like sort of
15:50
Speaker 2: deflating these very pompous egos in the room. It was
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Speaker 2: fun It was funny. It was something that five to
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Speaker 2: ten years ago would have been a normal comedy monologue
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Speaker 2: at a show. But we have moved so far from that.
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Speaker 2: I was saying we should have her do not. I
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Speaker 2: think those late night shows are going to die as
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Speaker 2: a format maybe, but until they die, maybe have Nicki
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Speaker 2: Glazer try to meet the press late night, which is
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Speaker 2: what they've all turned into me, and have her just
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Speaker 2: do comedy because she's funny. I don't care what her
16:23
Speaker 2: politics are. She's funny exactly.
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Speaker 1: And those late night hosts are so not funny. That's
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Speaker 1: the thing. So back to the whole You know, comedy
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Speaker 1: you get rewarded, but if you have that late night slot,
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Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to get thrown off of it
16:38
Speaker 1: because everybody kind of turns on their TV and watches
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Speaker 1: whoever's on. But oh my god, like Jimmy Kimmel so
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Speaker 1: deeply not funny, like wants to be a leftist writer
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Speaker 1: or thinker or whatever. Go be that you're not funny
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Speaker 1: at all.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Fallon is the best of them and they
16:55
Speaker 2: and he's been clobbered at times for not being serious enough,
16:59
Speaker 2: and it's right, he's just goofing off, guys. That's that's
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Speaker 2: actually the job.
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Speaker 1: As you're supposed to do. Yeah, he had to apologize
17:05
Speaker 1: for messing up Donald Trump's hair when he was on
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Speaker 1: the show, and not to Donald Trump, yeah, to all
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Speaker 1: the other schools. I do think we're in a new era.
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Speaker 1: I am you know, I'm careful about saying, oh, the
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Speaker 1: end of woke and we're going to move on to
17:21
Speaker 1: this amazing new time. But I think vibe shift is
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Speaker 1: the correct way to put it. Things are acceptable now
17:27
Speaker 1: that were not acceptable even like a year ago. And
17:31
Speaker 1: I love it. I love where it's going, I love
17:33
Speaker 1: I love everything about it. One of my favorite comedians
17:36
Speaker 1: is Nate Bergatzi. He is hilarious. I love him. He's amazing,
17:41
Speaker 1: and what I love about him extra is and I
17:44
Speaker 1: didn't even notice this at first, which is what makes
17:46
Speaker 1: it so good. He's a super clean comic. I didn't
17:49
Speaker 1: notice he wasn't cursing or talking about any questionable topics.
17:53
Speaker 1: And so now we watch it, you know, all of
17:55
Speaker 1: his specials with the kids, and it's a thing that
17:57
Speaker 1: we do. A few days ago, he was on the
18:00
Speaker 1: podcast of Angela Johnson and he was talking about how
18:05
Speaker 1: they both kind of came up in comedy together. He
18:08
Speaker 1: was more comfortable being a faithful, outspoken Christian because she
18:11
Speaker 1: was open about the fact that she was one two
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Speaker 1: let's roll back clip.
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Speaker 3: It made me think about it like another one that's
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Speaker 3: about God watching me all the time, the fact that
18:20
Speaker 3: he put me with you, because imagine if I could
18:23
Speaker 3: have went out with so many other comics that do
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Speaker 3: not have gotten their life and you know, and just
18:30
Speaker 3: dudes that are going to be dumb and whatever. So
18:33
Speaker 3: I mean that could have spent we were together so long,
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Speaker 3: that could have spiraled me into a whole nother realm.
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Speaker 3: But he put me with you, someone that was like
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Speaker 3: minded with me, and that like so it even put that,
18:48
Speaker 3: you know, you openly have always talked about your faith,
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Speaker 3: and so that was even just nice for me to see.
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Speaker 1: One of the biggest comics out there right now is
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Speaker 1: talking about his Christian faith. I think that's different, and
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Speaker 1: not that long ago, I think he would have kept
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Speaker 1: it quiet because comedy is not really usually a very
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Speaker 1: religious space, and so I love that he's talking about it.
19:09
Speaker 1: I love that that's how he lives his life. And
19:11
Speaker 1: in another segment on this podcast, he talks about how
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want his parents to be embarrassed by his routine.
19:17
Speaker 1: I just love that Souch.
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Speaker 2: I loved that the fact that he is so successful
19:23
Speaker 2: to me was like a preview of the vibe shift.
19:25
Speaker 2: I loved that he was sort of coming into his
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Speaker 2: own and doing these giant arenas, and that he is
19:31
Speaker 2: clean and sweet and so genuinely funny, because like, I
19:36
Speaker 2: have no problem with dirty comics, and I think Whitney
19:38
Speaker 2: Cummings and Nikki Glazer are certainly more on the risque side,
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Speaker 2: and that's fine and cool, absolutely, but it is a
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Speaker 2: special thing to be able to tell stories that I
19:49
Speaker 2: look back through the whole set and I go, oh,
19:50
Speaker 2: my gosh, he didn't right cuss one time. I think
19:54
Speaker 2: he's very impressive. He's very funny. All three of them
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Speaker 2: are very funny, and both the more SKay version and
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Speaker 2: the wholesome version I love to see changing that vibe
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Speaker 2: really is.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I like you. I like a lot
20:08
Speaker 1: of different kinds of comedy. I recently played for my
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Speaker 1: kids the Eddie Murphy. I got some ice cream sketch
20:17
Speaker 1: that one's actually pretty clean as far as Eddie Murphy.
20:20
Speaker 1: At the time, I think that I told him, I
20:24
Speaker 1: can't play the rest of this for you, because you've
20:25
Speaker 1: never heard so much cursing in your entire life as
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Speaker 1: raw and delirious. And that was also funny because he
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Speaker 1: famously became a clean comic as well.
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Speaker 2: Early Eddie Murphy is just genius. I think raw is
20:38
Speaker 2: one of the most perfect comedy performances of all time.
20:42
Speaker 2: And I will wait many years before I but we
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Speaker 2: were watching like Candy Cane Lane or some you know,
20:49
Speaker 2: very wholesome Christmas movie he was in the other day
20:51
Speaker 2: and I was like, girls and in his prime. We'll
20:54
Speaker 2: talk about it another.
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Speaker 1: Time, right, let me tell you about the donkey from
20:58
Speaker 1: Shrek exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's what they know him as.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, after the Comedians save us, I hope it,
21:06
Speaker 1: you know, extends to the rest of the country. And
21:08
Speaker 1: I love that this wok era is maybe behind us.
21:11
Speaker 1: I think we should be vigilant about fighting it when
21:13
Speaker 1: it resurfaces. But it's nice. The vibeshift is nice.
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Speaker 2: It is the more people courage is contagious as I
21:20
Speaker 2: don't know whose quote that is, but it's a good one,
21:23
Speaker 2: and it works in these settings because you know, I
21:26
Speaker 2: remember even you know, I think we're more on the
21:29
Speaker 2: bleeding edge of being able to say things. And I
21:32
Speaker 2: joke that we come sort of pre canceled. Yeah, but
21:35
Speaker 2: I remember on something like trans issues, for instance, Abigail
21:38
Speaker 2: Schreyer putting that book out ye, and I was tweeting
21:41
Speaker 2: in favor of the book and against the censorship of
21:44
Speaker 2: the book. Even that felt scary.
21:46
Speaker 1: It was scary.
21:47
Speaker 2: And then I was asked to be on Bill mahersh
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Speaker 2: Show that year at some point, and that was one
21:54
Speaker 2: of the topics. And the level to which I prepped
21:58
Speaker 2: Carol it was beyond anything I think I've ever done,
22:05
Speaker 2: because it was so scary to talk about that, much
22:07
Speaker 2: less write a book about it. He ended up cutting
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Speaker 2: the topic, but we didn't do it. I don't know
22:13
Speaker 2: if that was like a just a programming thing or
22:15
Speaker 2: what it was, but I read like full books getting
22:19
Speaker 2: ready because it was so paralyzing to think about talking
22:23
Speaker 2: about it in public, and the less we have of
22:25
Speaker 2: that the better.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, even on the right, it was scary because it
22:29
Speaker 1: was a moment where anybody could be canceled for anything.
22:33
Speaker 1: And even on the right, there was a sense of
22:35
Speaker 1: there are some topics you just can't touch, and I
22:38
Speaker 1: hope we never go back there.
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Speaker 2: I hope so too.
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Speaker 1: I tried to look up who said courage is contagious,
22:44
Speaker 1: And what I've got for you is John Kasik wrote
22:47
Speaker 1: a book with that title.
22:50
Speaker 2: Well not always my muse, but I'll take it in
22:52
Speaker 2: this occasion.
22:53
Speaker 1: Right, we're going to take a short break and come
22:56
Speaker 1: right back with normally our last topic. We're going to
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Speaker 1: go with the yes, I'm still mad bro topic. Secretary
23:05
Speaker 1: of State Blincoln did an exit interview with the New
23:07
Speaker 1: York Times and he had some interesting comments. They were
23:12
Speaker 1: very aggressive towards him. The interviewer kind of basically told
23:17
Speaker 1: him he has no control and the Biden administration has failed.
23:21
Speaker 1: But there was this clip that people were talking about
23:25
Speaker 1: kind of favorably. Let's roll it.
23:27
Speaker 4: There have been two major impediments and they both go
23:30
Speaker 4: to what drives from us. One has been whenever there
23:34
Speaker 4: has been public daylight between the United States and Israel,
23:38
Speaker 4: and the perception that pressure was growing on Israel. We've
23:42
Speaker 4: seen it hamas is pulled back from agreeing to a
23:46
Speaker 4: ceasefire and the release of hostages. And so there are
23:50
Speaker 4: times when what we say in private to Israel where
23:54
Speaker 4: we have a disagreement is one thing, and what we're
23:59
Speaker 4: doing saying in public maybe another. But that's in no
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Speaker 4: small measure because with this daylight, the prospects of getting
24:08
Speaker 4: the hostitgencies fire deal over the finish line become more distant.
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Speaker 1: Who created that daylight between America and it's very close
24:16
Speaker 1: ally Israel. I don't feel that daylight between Donald Trump
24:19
Speaker 1: and Israel. And Donald Trump has had his personal problems
24:23
Speaker 1: with Benjamin Ittt and Yahoo, and still I don't see
24:26
Speaker 1: a policy daylight between our two countries when Donald Trump
24:30
Speaker 1: is in charge. So this whole thing, and you know,
24:34
Speaker 1: my Jews they're just there, They're so ready to take
24:37
Speaker 1: any crumb, and so so many Jews posted this like, oh,
24:41
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you Secretary of State Blincoln for saying this,
24:44
Speaker 1: and for saying that not enough countries criticized Hamas, and
24:49
Speaker 1: you know all of that. That First of all, that
24:52
Speaker 1: second part is so obvious. Yes, Hamas is who caused
24:57
Speaker 1: this war, and saying so is not some brave stands.
25:01
Speaker 1: But the second part, he's saying that there shouldn't be
25:05
Speaker 1: daylight between the US and Israel, but they caused that
25:09
Speaker 1: daylight so well.
25:10
Speaker 2: And what he's stating is that is plain truth and
25:14
Speaker 2: obvious rational observation, which is that a terrorist organization which
25:19
Speaker 2: is like by its nature ungovernable and not going to
25:23
Speaker 2: act rationally with you, then is discouraged from sort of
25:27
Speaker 2: making concessions if you're harder on the rule following part
25:32
Speaker 2: of this discussion, which is Israel, right, and like, yeah, yeah,
25:38
Speaker 2: but you guys have been causing that right, right, And
25:42
Speaker 2: then he's sort of sucking up to the interviewer, who
25:45
Speaker 2: is Lulu Garcia Navarro and she she did another similarly
25:49
Speaker 2: odd and somewhat hostile interview with Jadie Vance of the
25:53
Speaker 2: New York Times. She's of the New York Times. He's
25:56
Speaker 2: sort of sucking up to her by saying, well, you know,
25:58
Speaker 2: we're like doing this other stuff behind the scenes, but
26:01
Speaker 2: in public, like we got to be supportive. Well, now
26:04
Speaker 2: you've kind of ruined the illusion. There wasn't one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really was.
26:08
Speaker 2: That was your plan. You've said the quiet power out
26:12
Speaker 2: loud as.
26:13
Speaker 1: They exactly, And she ends up saying to him, nat
26:15
Speaker 1: Yahu did whatever he wanted, which isn't untrue. Like there's
26:19
Speaker 1: a part where she says he went into Rafa even
26:22
Speaker 1: after you told him not to, And he says, no,
26:25
Speaker 1: but he went in a different way. I'm not so
26:27
Speaker 1: sure he did. I think he just did whatever. So
26:30
Speaker 1: he should do what he needs to do, absolutely, should
26:32
Speaker 1: do whatever he needs to do, and shouldn't wait for
26:34
Speaker 1: his greatest ally to give him that permission. But he
26:40
Speaker 1: was absolutely trying to suck up to this interviewer and
26:43
Speaker 1: say that you know, no, no, we really did get
26:46
Speaker 1: him to do things. And if they did again, that's
26:49
Speaker 1: what creates the daylight. That's exactly what Hamas sees. They
26:53
Speaker 1: see the US pressuring Israel to do certain things, and
26:56
Speaker 1: they say, we'll wait this out. They don't care about
26:59
Speaker 1: dead Palestinian I mean, nobody cares about the Palestinian people
27:03
Speaker 1: more than the Israelis. So it's you know, it's a
27:07
Speaker 1: joke that the Biden administration was trying to do something
27:13
Speaker 1: that would ultimately lead to a solution here. I think
27:16
Speaker 1: that that they have failed on every measure of this,
27:18
Speaker 1: and they're heading into the Trump administration over a year
27:22
Speaker 1: past October seventh, with one hundred hostages still being held,
27:25
Speaker 1: including four Americans. I mean, this is a failure top
27:28
Speaker 1: to bottom.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the biggest beneficiary of Blincoln's diplomacy was
27:32
Speaker 2: Blinken's miles account. Like he's just like over there every
27:36
Speaker 2: single week doing counterproductive things. And to the extent that
27:41
Speaker 2: Israel didn't listen to the US and there was not daylight,
27:46
Speaker 2: or there was that daylight, it was to the benefit
27:49
Speaker 2: of Israel's security, right, and that's to the benefit of
27:51
Speaker 2: America exactly.
27:52
Speaker 1: So, yep, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Because ViBe's going to shift real fast there.
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