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The Fast and the Furious (2001) with Faye Orlove · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
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  Speaker 1: have wen minuum? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
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  Speaker 1: What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy, Zef and best
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the bec del Cast. Goshness, no familiar,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the factel Cast. That was a close one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, we were were sure, are fast, We're fully already.
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  Speaker 1: We're the Fast and the Feminist more like ha ha
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  Speaker 1: ha ha new t shirts. My name is Jamie Loftus.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Drante. This is the Bectil Cast,
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  Speaker 1: our show about cars. This is basically car talk today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I drive, not to brag a Toyota Prius from two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and ten. I don't have a driver's license. Peeple,
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  Speaker 1: what's up? So what we really do is talk about
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  Speaker 1: movies from a feminist perspective and discuss how a movie
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  Speaker 1: treats and represents women. So this is our Fast and
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  Speaker 1: the Furious episode. It has been requested quite a bit before.
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  Speaker 1: We're lining this up with the release of feminist text
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  Speaker 1: Hobbs and Shaw. I'm sure and yeah, I'm I'm so.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to dig into it and to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: this is about The Fast and the Furious parentheses two
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  Speaker 1: thousand one, the first installment in the franchise, because at
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  Speaker 1: least four of the eight movies have basically the same title,
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  Speaker 1: and it's confusing. We're talking about the first movie, and
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  Speaker 1: then our very well informed guest, we'll give us some
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  Speaker 1: insight into subsequent installments. Indeed, Tokyo Drift anyone I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it, And for those who are perhaps new to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, we use the Bechtel test as a jumping
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  Speaker 1: off point to initiate a larger conversation about overall representation
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  Speaker 1: of women and the Becktel Test, of course, is a
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  Speaker 1: media metric created by cartoonists Ellison Bechtel that requires that
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  Speaker 1: a movie or an entire franchise must have two named
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  Speaker 1: female identifying characters who speak to each other about something
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  Speaker 1: other than a man. Oh here's an example, right ready,
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  Speaker 1: Hi Caitlin, Hi Jamie Beep, who's there? You know? And
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  Speaker 1: that passed the Betel christ but what it passes? Yeah? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing good? Yeah? Um? With how much further do
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  Speaker 1: I say we introduce our guests? I think, yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: really is the authority here. Indeed, indeed, she is an artist.
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  Speaker 1: She is the owner of Junior High, a feminist art
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  Speaker 1: space right here in Los Angeles. And you know her
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  Speaker 1: from our Josie and the Pussycats episode. It's Fay or
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  Speaker 1: love Babe, y'alle, Hong Kong. I don't think they honk
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  Speaker 1: once in the movie. Why aren't they Why it's already
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  Speaker 1: such a loud movie. They may as well hunt? Is
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  Speaker 1: that like bad form? I don't know much about street racing.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't learn everything you needed to know from those
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  Speaker 1: ninety minutes there was there was street racing in my
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  Speaker 1: hometown between the burger king in the high school. How
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  Speaker 1: many miles is that at a quarter mile? It's about
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  Speaker 1: a quarter mile. It's a quarter so you can live
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  Speaker 1: in a quarter mile at a time since high school.
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  Speaker 1: That monologue is wild. He's like, I don't give a
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  Speaker 1: fuck about anything. I don't care about family. For girls
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  Speaker 1: ten seconds that makes me feel alive. Also, we should
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  Speaker 1: mention that Faye drove up here on her motor site.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my croptrock it as referred to in the film lovingly,
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  Speaker 1: I think, y'all. I don't know if it does have
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  Speaker 1: a horn? I think does it for safety? No one's
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  Speaker 1: using their horns enough. I think I didn't know you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a license. I thought you were just poor there. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it can it be both there. I'm a complex female character.
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  Speaker 1: I was really trying to kind of make you in
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  Speaker 1: a box. Heay, what is your relationship with this movie?
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  Speaker 1: And then the whole Fast and Furious franchise? These are
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  Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time. Um, that's where my
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  Speaker 1: relationship begins. No, I guess I've always loved them. And
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  Speaker 1: then my college roommate shoutout Katie. It turned out she
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  Speaker 1: loved them too. It was just a real moment when
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  Speaker 1: we realized that we had these in common, and as
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  Speaker 1: they came out, we would see them together and we
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  Speaker 1: developed a dre thinking game to them that does have
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  Speaker 1: to somewhat adapt per I did not play it this
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  Speaker 1: morning when I rewatched Fast and Furious around nine am.
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  Speaker 1: You did not drink. I did not. But it actually
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit more applicable to the later movies.
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  Speaker 1: I did realize upon rewatch of this first one, which
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  Speaker 1: I normally skip in my rewatch, that um, it harshly
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  Speaker 1: did not pass the Bechdel test. Well, I have a
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  Speaker 1: case for it passing, but well, we'll save it. We'll
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  Speaker 1: save it to the end. I'm curious because I was
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  Speaker 1: very unpleasantly surprised upon my rewatch um. But I like
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  Speaker 1: what you said towards the beginning that maybe we can
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  Speaker 1: sort of analyze these movies franchise wide, because I do
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  Speaker 1: think they develop a stronger ethos well skipping Tokyo, but
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  Speaker 1: two and three and onward that I do find them
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  Speaker 1: way more feminist driven interesting. Did you did you see
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  Speaker 1: these movies like in theaters growing up and stuff like that. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do think. I went home after the first one
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  Speaker 1: and told my mom I wanted a thong. After saying
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Rodriguez emerged from a very low from a car
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  Speaker 1: from what I was going to say, from a thong
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  Speaker 1: shaved egg, she hatched. Okay, so you're you're a resident
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  Speaker 1: expert on this franchise. What's your what's your history? My history?
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  Speaker 1: I saw the first movie in two thousand, probably two.
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  Speaker 1: I was in high school, probably like a sophomore or junior,
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  Speaker 1: and I did not feel compelled to see any of
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  Speaker 1: the other ones after that, or we watched that movie
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  Speaker 1: at any point. Don't get me wrong, I like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of toxic male driven franchises. It's sort of my thing. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: there is nothing about these movies that I hate cars.
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  Speaker 1: You know, They're like, oh, the turbo and the nitrous
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  Speaker 1: and the NAS which is also an energy drink that
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  Speaker 1: I was into in college. And so for a while,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, are they started putting monster energy beverage? In essential?
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  Speaker 1: Without getting too scientific, yes, have you ever had a NAZ? No? Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I was actually shocked you didn't supply some. As I
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  Speaker 1: walked in there, I should have gotten a can of
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  Speaker 1: NASA figuous episode, but there that isn't existing. I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a lady, must watch her figure because
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  Speaker 1: society be like that. But I saw I was a
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  Speaker 1: diet NAS you were. Let's keep it classy. I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard of this. NAZ is essentially jet fuel you put
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  Speaker 1: into your body. But anyway, so yeah, I I something
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  Speaker 1: about this franchise just does not appeal to me at all.
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  Speaker 1: So I've I've seen the first one. I rewatched it
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  Speaker 1: obviously to prep for this episode, and then I started
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  Speaker 1: to watch too fast, too furious, just to see how
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  Speaker 1: I intended to get as far into the franchise as
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  Speaker 1: I could, just to have some more informed, and I
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  Speaker 1: got halfway through too fast, too furious, and then had
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  Speaker 1: to stop. So that's my relationship with this franchise, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: what about you? Uh well, I would say that I
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  Speaker 1: have seen only Tokyo Drift. It's like the one that
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  Speaker 1: isn't even like Cannon. I know, it's like, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: like a prequel or so that's when they have the
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  Speaker 1: four year old playing a high school. Yeah, I liked
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  Speaker 1: that one. It's a good movie, but it's like, not
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  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with anything I saw. I
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  Speaker 1: saw that at a drive through. Um there, I mean
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  Speaker 1: appropriate exactly. Yeah, we were all Hong hongk and beep
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  Speaker 1: beep and uh there. Yeah. I mean this is like
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  Speaker 1: a franchise that is not my genre really at all.
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  Speaker 1: I also, like have a little bit of noise sensitivity,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just like I just can't, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: even hard for me to see like a Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: movie in the theater because it's so loud. And this movie,
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  Speaker 1: even on my humble Roku TV was so very loud.
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  Speaker 1: It is feeling that they probably have some sort of
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  Speaker 1: warning on diet nas for noise sensitivity. It's just like
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, it was just never my thing.
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  Speaker 1: I Mean, everyone I grew up with saw all of them.
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  Speaker 1: So I it's like one of those franchises that, even
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  Speaker 1: though I wasn't really engaged in it, I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I saw them all because everyone would be so excited
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  Speaker 1: about it. And this is a huge It's Universal's highest
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  Speaker 1: grossing franchise. There are It's It's eight movies now, including
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  Speaker 1: Hobbs and Shaw. There's I think Fast and Furious nine
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  Speaker 1: coming out in like they've grossed over four billion dollars,
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  Speaker 1: like It's it is. It is a think about two
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  Speaker 1: billion of that is just from me alone. There. You're
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  Speaker 1: a very wealthy woman, and I like to spend it
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  Speaker 1: on You're in literally a golden roly chair right now.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so I I this was my I think
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  Speaker 1: my first time seeing this movie at least paying attention
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  Speaker 1: to it, and oh man, there's just there's just so
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  Speaker 1: much happening. There's so much, you know, and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I really love the power of the first time you
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  Speaker 1: see a woman on screen she is making a sandwich
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  Speaker 1: for a man, and I think that that is really
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  Speaker 1: that's my feminism. This is also one of the many
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  Speaker 1: movies that came out like a few months before nine eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and it shows like there's cover we've well, we've covered
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  Speaker 1: so many movies that come out like right before nine eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and it's always it's kind of like a weird mix
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  Speaker 1: of of genres. But this movie came out in the
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  Speaker 1: summer of two thousand and one, and it's just, I
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  Speaker 1: mean truly based strictly on the fact that after nine eleven,
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  Speaker 1: movies were not fun for a while. You didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a good romp for a while, and this movie is
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  Speaker 1: so like truck sized plot holes, like but that's not
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  Speaker 1: that's not what it's for. It's just supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: like a fun movie that you're not supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: thinking about whether it makes sense or not, which is
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  Speaker 1: a very pre nine eleven or just in general kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a nineties Well we just recorded an episode
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  Speaker 1: on Independence Day where it's like that movie is the
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  Speaker 1: steaks are deathly high, and yet it is like this fun,
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  Speaker 1: goofy movie. Um, I must have never fully processed nine
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  Speaker 1: eleven then, because I lived my life for fast cars
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  Speaker 1: and fast one they're going to say a quarter mile
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  Speaker 1: at a time. Yeah, Like, because it comes without SAE
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  Speaker 1: should I just dive right into the recap. Your recap. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so all your listeners get revved up. Put your car
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  Speaker 1: into neutral, iron or some forward. Yeah, put slam on
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  Speaker 1: the brakes, you know the gas. I know how to
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  Speaker 1: weird red switch that every car in these movies as
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  Speaker 1: that turns on the knob. Turn up your boom box
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  Speaker 1: in the car, and turn on your green hacker lights.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a hacker in this movie. We're really
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  Speaker 1: we're really playing to female stereotypes of not knowing what
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  Speaker 1: a car anyways, proceed we open. We see three black
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  Speaker 1: cars robbing a tractor trailer truck that's carrying a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of electronics DVDs, dv The highest of this movie the
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  Speaker 1: stakes are DVD players and that is so two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and one, So that's very personally. That's as high as
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  Speaker 1: the stakes yet. So DVD player crime, yes, and you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't believe it. But the black cards they're driving around,
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  Speaker 1: they're fast and they're furious. They're so mad. I would
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  Speaker 1: agree with that characteristic. But they're also feminist, which is
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  Speaker 1: not included in the title. They're faster, furious, they're feminist.
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  Speaker 1: Now we cut two iron that's Paul Walker's character. He
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  Speaker 1: is driving a green car. He's fast, he's furious. What
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  Speaker 1: we don't know? He does like shit, he doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: why are you mad? I don't know what happened. He's furious. Yea,
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  Speaker 1: he is trying to flirt with a woman named me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's Jordana Brewster's fame, the sandwich making fame as well.
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  Speaker 1: There yeah, an icon in Cressless Tuna Sandwiches. Women be
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  Speaker 1: making sandwiches, yeah, for Paul Walker. And also it's not
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  Speaker 1: like it's like a weird like grocery store. It's not
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  Speaker 1: even like it looks like a bar, but they like
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  Speaker 1: market items where this woman is making. It's obviously a
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  Speaker 1: front for the crimes. Everyone is keeping the DVD player eyes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but she's still running the business by herself, and she
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  Speaker 1: does have a name. In the first scene she does
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  Speaker 1: have a name, an first seen just to set the
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  Speaker 1: bar where this franchise is about at For me, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, well, at least she's getting paid for this.
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  Speaker 1: At least it's I think it's like a family business.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think she's It's called Toretto's, which is right,
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  Speaker 1: she I mean I'm like, at least she's at work
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  Speaker 1: and it's not just like some random guy being like
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  Speaker 1: make me a sandwich, and she's like, okay, cress or
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  Speaker 1: no Crest, no Christ. Yeah. She is the sister of
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  Speaker 1: Dom Toretto Vin Diesel, and he is an important fast carboy,
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  Speaker 1: and he and his buddy room rooms better than anyone,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly does he and his buddies show up to
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  Speaker 1: the bodega again if we don't know what it is,
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  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't believe it, but all of them are
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  Speaker 1: fast and furious too. We meet Letty that's Michelle Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 1: She is Don's girlfriend. We meet Vince, he's got anger
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  Speaker 1: choose Leon, and then Jesse is the hacker. He's the
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  Speaker 1: hacker who comes and he's so confused, like Tom, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so fucked up. I don't know what he's just like
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  Speaker 1: the I don't understand. I think it's because I don't
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  Speaker 1: fully understand Jesse's character. And also multiple people in the
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  Speaker 1: movie don't seem to know what Jesse's role isn't everything.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, why is he around? And Don's just like,
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  Speaker 1: he's my friend, and I guess that's relatable of just
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  Speaker 1: like one one guy who you're just like, why is
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  Speaker 1: he here all the time? Does anyone like him in there? Like?
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  Speaker 1: And then one guy is just like, leave him the
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  Speaker 1: funk alone. You're like, Okay, Jesus, I guess Jesse's our friend.
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  Speaker 1: Is that some of the characters are described as being
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  Speaker 1: they just sort of showed up one day and then
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  Speaker 1: never left. The main character like the way, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: the scene with Brian and Mia or like Brian's trying
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  Speaker 1: to it's I mean, it's suggests he's doing it for
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  Speaker 1: his job, but it's also just exposition, and yeah, Mia
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  Speaker 1: gives him not the answer. She's like, well, we all
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  Speaker 1: just sort of lived in the same neighborhood and some
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  Speaker 1: people just gotta wandered in. And anyways, twenty five years later,
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  Speaker 1: here we are here. Because they're so against Paul Brian
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  Speaker 1: coming into the group, yet it seems like the rest
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  Speaker 1: of them did sort of just waltz in. Is he
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  Speaker 1: not just the latest random hottest guy. They're threatened by something,
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  Speaker 1: something to ponder. Maybe they're like, Okay, these frosty tips
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  Speaker 1: too far, those glacier blue eyes, I can't look away.
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  Speaker 1: So Vince in particular is upset that Brian is hanging
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  Speaker 1: around and they get in a fistfight. He's wearing a
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  Speaker 1: mesh shirt and then Dom is like, don't come around,
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  Speaker 1: you're a good Vince says, what's up with this fool?
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  Speaker 1: He's sandwich crazy or something. Another great line, A lot
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  Speaker 1: of crazy, an incredible burn. Then Brian enters into a
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  Speaker 1: street race. Dom is also there to Mr Firefest himself
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  Speaker 1: a k A. Jaw Rule. Jaws there Jaws, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dreaming up a scam in real time. Billy is ten
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  Speaker 1: years old at this point, I mean Jaws texting him
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  Speaker 1: hand just straight up on a boob. Yeah, she is empowered.
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  Speaker 1: She is the one who puts his hand on her boobs.
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  Speaker 1: So so she just that's just like a thing where
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  Speaker 1: she just regrets that later on, Come Firefest, right, Come Firefest,
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  Speaker 1: I Come Firefest. We all really had to reckon with
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  Speaker 1: feelings about and maybe the one good thing about the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: fact that jaw Rule was the musician implicated and Firefest
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: was there's like so few jaw Rules stands that no
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  Speaker 1: one was like, no, like everyone was pretty willing to
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  Speaker 1: be like, well, I guess there's not that really loud
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: song at the end of the fest in the serious one.
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  Speaker 1: No one was like, but he makes such good music. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's no art versus there's no dear the artist. So
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, that's at least something. So they're all
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  Speaker 1: gathering for this race. This guy Johnny Tran is also there.
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  Speaker 1: The race happens, it's pretty touch and go for a while,
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  Speaker 1: but eventually Dom beats out Brian. Trouble is Brian bet
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  Speaker 1: his car, but before Dom can collect this new car
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  Speaker 1: that he now owns, the cops show up and chase
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  Speaker 1: down everyone, and they chased on Dom on foot, but
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  Speaker 1: Paul Walker Brian swoops in, picks him up, and gets
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  Speaker 1: him away from the cops. Then Johnny Tran and some
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  Speaker 1: fast motorcycle boys show up and they shoot up Brian's
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  Speaker 1: car and he's like, no, that was my first in
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  Speaker 1: furious car. That's a direct. So then he and Dom
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  Speaker 1: get back to Dom's place, and Dom trusts Brian now
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  Speaker 1: because he saved him from getting arrested. It's also implied
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  Speaker 1: that they walked twenty miles, but then you see them
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  Speaker 1: getting out of a cab, so I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: far they walked and how far the cab ride was unclear.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know everyone, it doesn't matter, um, but Don's buds,
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  Speaker 1: especially Vince still or like, we don't know this guy,
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  Speaker 1: we don't trust him. And to be fair, they are
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  Speaker 1: right not to trust him because the big reveal happens.
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  Speaker 1: He's a cop. He is a cop? Are they right?
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  Speaker 1: Because he's a good guy? I mean, I think that
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the many fallacies of this movie. Undercover
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  Speaker 1: Cops actually your friend. So Brian has gone undercover using
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  Speaker 1: his same first name but different last names in the
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  Speaker 1: street racing world because the cops the FBI think that
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  Speaker 1: the people who are hijacking the trucks full of DVD
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  Speaker 1: players are street racers also. And this is where we
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: realized that Fast and Furious is basically Point Break but
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  Speaker 1: with racing instead of surfing. Oh I haven't seen point break,
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  Speaker 1: so stop right there with the references. Just stop it, jeez. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: So back undercover, Brian brings a car to Dom's place
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  Speaker 1: since he owes him a fast carve the ten second
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: car thing. This is like that whole thing. I was
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: just like, I don't understand how men bond with each other,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but I'm I'm glad that they do. I like that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like this movie is like relatively strong with
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like male male friendships, which I think we should see
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: more in movies, But the way that they do it,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, is this how that happens? I think
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: they know you a ten second car, I'm like, just
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: say I care about you, like there, we don't need
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to speak in this code, right uh. And then they'll
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: have a cook at together. Brian's really getting into this
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: friend group and he asks out Mia, who says no
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: at first. She's like, I don't date my brother's friends
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: until two minutes later when she does. Well then because
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: she's trying to piss off Vince, and she's like, I'll
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: go out with you to the restaurant that Vince wants
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to take me to. I will say, I like that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean that's your kind of woman,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: with my with my with There's a few moments with
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the female characters here that I'm like that really appeals
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: to my like bitterness, my note, but thank you so
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: much for acknowledging it and really making it more visible.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Um visibility is critical, but like this is like sort
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of the tail end of like girl power kind of characters,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: which I think that like Letty and Mia in certain
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: moments are meant to fall into and even though it's like, no,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that's not how that, but there's still like that tiny
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: like nineties girl power chip that was put in my
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: brain by this Ice girls, specifically that it asks for
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a while longer and even some movies today. Yeah, like, well,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it's just like the cheap corporate like you're you're a
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: good woman as long as you purchase the soap or whatever.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: But I liked I liked that moment with Mia being like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go a date with you. You're
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in a mess shirt. I'm gonna date with frosty tips.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, she's gotta go a date with someone.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: She's also washing dishes. She is washing dishes, and she
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: has also cooked the entire meal for them, So this
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: pisses off Events even more, and he already hates Brian enough.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So the next day, their fast boyfriend, Hector, comes into
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the auto shop that Brian works at and buys a
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: bunch of parts for three Honda Civics, which is the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: same make and model of the cars that have been
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: hijacking the trucks. Is fast, but I wouldn't say that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he's furious he's a pretty agreeable, nice guy. Yeah he's
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the fast and the friendly. Yeah T shirt idea another
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So Brian breaks into Hector's garage, but he sees that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they're not the same car, so he's like, okay, they're
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: not the hijackers. But just then Vince finds him knocks
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: him out, and then Vincent dom Or like, hey, Brian,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you seem like a cop, and he's like no, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: then he makes up a story and then they go
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and break into my hair. A cop have this hair?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: This bad? His arguments are very weak, but they they're like,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: what do you what do you wear? T shirts? Just
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: baggy is mine? No, a cop wouldn't do that in
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a jaw rule? How could I be a cop? So
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: then they all go to Johnny trans garage and they
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: see a bunch of boxes of DVD players. So that's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: gotta be like four hundred dollars worth of DVT fare.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Your stomach drops when you see the DVD players. You're like, now,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I thought the steaks right, Well, doesn't like you can
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: buy a DVD player now for like thirty dollars into
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: thou one. DVD players were so expensive, so I guess
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. My family paid off our DVD player
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in installments because we should have just gone to Johnny
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Tran's garage. But we've paid it off over like eighteen
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: months or they were very pricey. So now Brian suspects
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that Johnny Tran and his team are the hijackers, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he's like, there's not enough evidence. But the FBI moves
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: in on them anyway, and it turns out that Johnny
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Tran and his fast Boys are not actually the hijackers.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Fast fast boys, what do you mean? Yeah, I mean
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we're not. So we're certainly not about to call them
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the slow boys. I mean, yeah, they're fast. They're fast.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have brought it up fast furious friendly feminist. Okay.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So now one of Brian's cop friends is like, Brian
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Dom and his ask boys of the hijackers, you dummy,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and Paul Walkers like, no, he's my friend. He's my friend.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: We had so many intense conversations about NA on those
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: tweet about the energy drink that we put in our
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: gas tank. But Brian goes to Dom and he's like, Hey,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, I want in on it. So Dom
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: tells him to go to the race Wars and then
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: if he does well there, they'll talk about, also, are
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you going to rain? It sounds and we should just
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that we're going to be saying race and it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: will not pertain to any It doesn't sound like just
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: gonna sound like I like, I straightened. I was like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's what you're calling it. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, let's go down to the Race Wars.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And you're just like, where is this going? But of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: course it's a fathom So it's just going somewhere completely stupid.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And they're going to the desert and they're going to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Colla there they they're so they're just going to a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: fast and fury location. But it is called the Race
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Wars and sure, yeah, maybe in the new one they'll
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: be like, we're doing this big event it's called the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Gender Wars, and it does not have anything to do
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: has nothing to gender. It's just what we're calling the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Genocide Wars. It's actually just us racing each other, just
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: us like hanging out and driving our cars from us. Uh.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So they're at the Race Wars, yes, and Brian takes
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: his like newly pimped out car there. But then Dom
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: leaves abruptly with his team to go pull another job.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: So Brian goes up to Mia and he's like, hey,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a cop. I like me as reaction because she's
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: like man like, She's just like are you serious? Like
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: she's just pissed and like, I'm also exhaustive with at
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this point, would you, I mean, would you rather date
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a cop or an illegal street racer? I just think
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: mea can do better in general. Sure, yeah, I think
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that she like she's I mean, she's Jordan Brewsters when
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: this is filmed, so it's like, you know, she's just
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: sort of she's she's maybe this is her gap year.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Also noticed in the party scene when
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: she comes in and sort of breaks up a fight
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and tells us it's like, Brian, come get me a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: drink once kind of split it up. She just grabs
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it a snapple she does, so she's got good sensibilities.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: She she doesn't drink right because she drives him home then,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: so she hasn't been drinking and driving has up. She
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: probably knows some facts. Um yeah, I mean I think
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: in two there were facts facts there there. It is
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so funny, like the snapple, like there's so much I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: love Blockbuster product placement because it is completely unsubtle, Like
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if NAS was if NAS was an
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: energy drink back in two thousand one, holy sh it,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Like that's if like unobtainium was called, like diet sprite,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Like they're just like, we can't let anyone get their
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: hand on the diet sprite, the most important thing in
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the world. Like there, So there is another. I have
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a few listed that we'll get to. Also, just to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: set the record straight, Corona is not a sponsor. Really
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: just loves Corona. That was That was an artistic choice.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I almost only drink Corona these days if
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm getting in like a cheap beer because of it,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: because because it's a drink of familia. Sure I want
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to pop that top and that I'm supported by my
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: family and friends. You're right, Okay, we keep doing movies
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: with you that have a bunch of product placement. Remember
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: remember the Tidy Cats. Josie is like, there's no more
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: movie that has more product, more target recognition anyway. So
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: so Ryan's like, hey, Mia, I'm a cop, I'm undercover.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: We gotta go help out Dom and the Fast Boys
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, ship okay because and then on
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the other side, like Letty is having like there's that
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: great scene where they're pulling off this last heist, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Vin is like, it's all good. I had a dream
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that we went to Mexico at the beach, and Marchella
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez is like, okay, Like I still there's three different
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: characters that are like I don't know, like I don't know, Dom,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: this doesn't feel right, I don't know if we should
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do this, and it's and and turns out they are correct,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: correct because everything goes wrong. Never died a Fast Boys
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: intuition right, Another shirt ideas the guy who's driving the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: truck that they're trying to steal from has a shotgun.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Ship's fallen apart, Letty crashes, Vin gets stuck to the truck,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: so then Brian and Me catch up with them. They
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: save Vince. He's badly injured. So then Brian makes a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: call right in front of Dom and he's like, Hi,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it's Officer Brian, please stand help. Then Tom is like,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: why I oughta The way he looks at him, I mean,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: my heartbreaks, it shutters. That's his bro that he trusted him. Yeah,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and now he can't trust are you cop? No? And
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: then they he never says no, he just he sort
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of skirts around it. So, actually, I love Paul Walker.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You don't have you don't have to convince me. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: just the heartbreak I feel when it comes to Vin
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Diesel in the way his eyes just look at the park,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: just dreams right out. Yeah, you know, I mean their friendship.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm excited to talk about. Yes. So now
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: we're back at Dom's house. Brian shows up because he
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: has confirmed that his new bff Dom is a criminal,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and they're yelling at each other. They're pouring guns at
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: each other. You might even say they're furious. They're so mad.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: The Fast and the soul Man. When Jesse shows up,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: who had taken off because he lost a race earlier
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: against Johnny Tran, and he's like, I don't know what
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to do. And then Johnny Tran shows up and shoots Jesse,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: which we don't deal with at all in the story,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: just like why no one in the movie knows why
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Jesse was included. He's killed. It's just like what removed
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Jesse from the movie. Well, because he's the inciting incident
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: for Vin then to run off and chase Johnny Tran
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and then kill him to be more furious. So because
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: it's kind of showing more his loyalty, the overlaying thread
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: with all of these movies, and I think a big
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: reason why I love them so much is like loyalty
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and friendship. Believe it or not, it's beautiful at the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: fast and the friendship friendship and fury fast in the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: front and the friendliest friendships, the fast in the family friendships.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: For me, that's and familia so great. Then Dom and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Brian go after Johnny Trent and his cousin and they
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like stop them, but then they're like, we should race
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: each other one last time, and they do it, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: who wins. I'm not sure. I can't tell, but there's
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a train that almost hits him, and then Dom crashes
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I gotta get away. The cops are coming,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and then Brian is like, hey, I still ow you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: attend second car, so he gives him his car. He
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: gets away, and he's a bad cop because he didn't
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: arrest the criminal. But in his defense, even the criminals
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: are friends. Their friends friendship is more important than laws.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So that's this moral of this story. Which you know
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: often true after true, let's take a quick break and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: then we'll come back. We're bad. That was a boat.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Do they ever ride boats? Oam no, but um, you
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: should watch The Italian Job. What about a train? There's
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of train related scenes, but they're never directly
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: driving the train, but there's like cars on a train
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that they have to get off a train. They're alongside trains.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: The physics get It's kind of funny to look back
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and realize it started with DVD players because towards the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: end it is like matters of national security. They there's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: literally like an entity called God's Eye that can overlook
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: every single human and what they're doing. And you're like, oh, yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you just rob some DVD players and now you're gotta
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: raise the stakes. From movie to movie they get raised
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: so exponentially. I'm like, what is nine going to be? Like?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: That's all I think about. I mean, the whole Solar
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: System is at stakes. Honestly, you're you're kidding, But I
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they go to space like something
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to be. I mean, space ships are fast
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and probably furious. There's some sort of space war from
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Race War to Space War, The Fast and the Furious Journey. Well,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: they should get you writing me. I don't know if
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they started it ten, but they would never let a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: woman write these movies. I'm actually kind of curious. The
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: same man has written at least six of them. If
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you get kind of wonky, and then they come back
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to the older director, who's incredible. Okay, yeah, let me
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: figure out the writer of this movie. The Fast and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Furious three credited writers Gary Scott Thompson, Eric Bergquist,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and David Air. It looks like David Air also wrote
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Suicide Squad and Bright Yikes are talented. Gary Scott Thompson
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: also wrote Too Fast, Too Furious. It looks like there's
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a different man writing like the most recent one. Okay, well,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: here you are just assuming gender, so really, that's on you.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: It is truly a man named Mark would not I
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: cannot tell a lie. A man named Mark writes The
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Fast and the Furious movies. And are you shocked? No?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So where do we want to start here? I guess
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: let's start with the female characters. That's a good place
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to start. There are two, so it'll be there are two.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: We'll just zip through this. Your cot. Okay, it should
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: be mentioned, Faye, you have a cat named Letty. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: do a male cat. Well, both my cats are named
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: after Fast and Furious characters. My girl cat is Dwayne
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the Cat Johnson. Um she is, she's furious. That tracks
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: with what I know. But um, you know, it's so
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: funny watching the movies now and just thinking about my
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: cat instead of Michelle Rodriguez. But yeah, I can't overstate
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: how much I love these movies. And I really kind
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of wish we watched like the third one or fourth
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: because this one they just get so good. I mean,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll do another episode and bring you back fully
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: available for when the next next one comes. And there's
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: always going to be the next one. Is everyone in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the Curse on the Fat of the Fast franchise? Well
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they actually I do think they're ending at ten because
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: they got like budgeted for Fast X. Otherwise they're going
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to have to start paying Vin Diesel in like planets
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like they make. That's what the Space World about? The
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Space War one. That's the final one. Um, okay, let's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: talk about Mia. Let's start with Mia. She's the first
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: female character that we really see on screen. She is
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Dom's sister. She manages the front business sort of, but
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it seems like she kind of just makes food for
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: whoever asks, is something we see her do a lot.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: She is fully a love interest character. She's basically in
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the story I would argue just to make you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to like complicate Paul, like Paul Walker. There's so many
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: times when Brian is talking to his fellow police officers
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and they're like, well, maybe if you didn't have such
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: strong feelings for me, you'd be able to be a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: better cop and like to honor. He does. He shoves
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a pervert, he does, but that happens a lot. I'm
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: thinking also in like The Rock, uh not Dwayne the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Rock Johnson, but the Michael Bay film The Rock His
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Wife Um, where Nicolas Cage's girlfriend character, everyone keeps telling
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage like, don't think about her, You're just gonna
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: get distracted and confused. Like where So this is kind
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: of an example of a woman being present in the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: story as sort of an obstacle almost, or like seen
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: as being like you're clouding this man's judgment because of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: your feminine wiles or something an they're part of Grdanna
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that I love, or Mia the character of Mia is
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that throughout the franchise she does go from having bangs
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to not having bangs and then back again, which is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a huge female what a character arc as a woe,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I can't yeah, as a woman with a forehead, I've
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I've been there, and it really, I mean, does it directly?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I wish I wish, Okay, one of the many reasons
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I wish that there was at least one credited female writer,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: as if you know, you could really work in story
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: into the banks, because if you're getting banks, you're not
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in a good place, especially if I would you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: like Jordan and Bruser, I prefer her without the banks,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: but I would understand, you know, sometimes I bring out
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the banks, you just got your banks kind of they're
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: pulled back right now, so are we because I'm really
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: much better now. Because that did seem like a cry
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for help at the time, but it definitely was, and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I so so, I mean, I just think if male
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: writers understood women better, they could write to these banks choices.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I think the banks kind of tell their own story,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: but to teach their own it's worth mentioning. I have
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: sort of this lineup of things that happened to main
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: female characters later in the franchise. I have not seen
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: these movies, but in the fifth movie, the villain of
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: whatever that one is threatens threatens to have her raped
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and killed. In the sixth movie, she gets kidnapped and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: held a surprise for the men to retrieve, and she
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: eventually Where are you just getting this information as someone
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: who has not seen the movies, like some Wikipedia synopsis
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, just like because she's not in all
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of them, she's in five of them. Yeah, but these
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: are I guess in the later installments. It's weird. I mean,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in your opinion on this too. Based on
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: strictly the Wikipedia read, it would seem that the attitudes
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: towards women in fact may get worse over time, because
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I was I was pleasantly surprised that a blockbuster movie
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: chose not to completely damsel or like hold a woman
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: as like Collateral or to be rescued in the first movie.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: But it seems like that happens a bunch later on. Yes,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: but yeah, so with mia Um, she is in the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: world of street racing sort of only on the periphery
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: where she like hangs out with the other street racers
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: mostly makes sandwiches first. She doesn't get to participate in
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: any races. We do see her driving fast on her
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: date with Brian, but she's fairly past You do learn
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: later that she's an excellent driver as well, and sort
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of makes it a conscious choice not to be part
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of that world. But um is more than like welcomed
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in it, and she has like every capacity to be
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: talented in that regard. Well that we do see her
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: at the very end whenever Bryan has caught up to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the final heightst that's happening, and she's behind the wheel
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: most of the time of Brian's car because he's trying
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to save Vince, and so she's doing some you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: pretty complicated, fast and furious driving. So we see that
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: she is competent. But and that like, yeah, when women
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: are included in the climax of the movie, like everyone
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: is participating in the climax of the movie. There is
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a moment where they're like, Letty is hurt, just getting
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: she's fine, and then she's rejoins the action. But I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: thought that was cool that the two female characters that
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: we have are at least included in at least one
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: big action scene. Their Sideline, I think a lot earlier
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and um, and the way that all women are portrayed
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: earlier in this movie is like, uh, but it was
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: cool that like the climactic scene, you know, it's not
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like Pacific rim woman launched out of the scene never
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to be seen again. Yes, I would say though, that
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: this is another movie where a woman who is good
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: at cars is shorthand for she's not like she's down
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: at earth because it's like she she's got a traditionally
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: masculine skill, so that makes her cooler and more able
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to hang than other girls. I'm wondering if, like the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: moment that you were possibly going to bring up kind
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: of making the campaign that this does pass the backball
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: test is when Michelle Rodriguez to another woman who's hanging
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: over Don called him skanks and then they say okay,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: well back off and that is a conversation and that
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: he is not about a guy she is okay because
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: so here's what happens. As they're approaching dom. He goes hey, Camille,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Hey Monica. Goddamn their name Camille and Monica. But that
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: is not the only woman named Monica in this movie.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: There's a different Monica with ja Rule exactly, so like
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that that's are we sure Monica
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't just recast. I mean they're two different actors. Like
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it is so clearly like the screenwriters knew exactly one
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: woman between the three of them named Monica, and they're like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: we're dropping this around the scandals and they're just like Monica,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: like okay, wait, we need there's there's some more characters.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: So Monica, if you take away some of the letters,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: there's Mia. Okay, so there's okay, or another character names Mia,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: which is just sort of Letty's a wild part of name. Yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that's at least like a thoughtful name. I don't know.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I think though that they were like, okay, we took
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: away some letters from Monica to make Mia letters let
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Letty that's how. That's how they could that possibly be
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: short for? And then Letitia. Yes, good okay? But yeah,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: so like the women go to cars, The most egregious
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: example of this that I think we've come across, at
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: least on the podcast so far, is like the Megan
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Fox character and Transformers, especially because like her interest in
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: cars is so it's like basically just used as an
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: excuse to sexualize her. Yes, um, like she's bending over
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the hood, she's humping, she's measuring the tailpipe. It's sort
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: of like portrayal of a woman who they give these
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: sort of like masculine interests to and decide not to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: give them more of a personality or any sort of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: development because they think, oh, she has like manly interest.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Is um Natalie Apportman in the first Thorror movie when
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: like two times she goes, I'm an astrophysicist and absolutely
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: no other like that's all we know. Yeah, It's like,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: but what more do we need to know? She loves
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: such and she loves the space war. It's such a yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: like those empty because it's like ultimately kind of like
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: an empty gesture to do that. And also like with
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the with and in Mia Is, I mean, the way
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that women are dressed in this movie is very sexy,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: very hot, gorgeous, inspirational. They're dressed in very particular ways,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and like I think Mia dresses on the more conservative side,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: which I think is supposed to be shorthand for she's
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a good girl. She makes you the sandwich, as opposed
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to if you're a woman who is at the street race,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you are like a loose you're probably named Monica, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you all you're strictly there to hook up with whoever wins.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: The part of the drinking game that I briefly mentioned
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: was you do drink anytime there's like a gratuitous ask shot,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: they get a little bit more in your face about it. Actually,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I think as the film's growing, in my opinion, do
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: become more feminists, they actually do gravitate towards just showing
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: more butts, which I haven't really grappled with. I mean,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it's possible for maybe something to both progress and regress
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: at the same time, saying there are you're safe. It's fine, space,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: it's good, but it's everything I know, shattering when you
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: really think about it. Maybe oh god, I mean, this
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: is a big part of my life. Like I'm not
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: we haven't you know what. Feminism is a conversation, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it's I think part of this, this podcast and feminist
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: discussion is you know, a discourse and there's there's no
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: black and white. True I'm not going to get they're
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: not feminist. I won't leave, Okay, So there's like me
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: as an the car. I think that there is sort
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of a tendency for when a woman is presented as
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: like you were taking like good at car, she also
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: has to present hyper feminine at the same time because
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and if there's too much straddling of that line of
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: like you can't be good at car and present like
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: more traditionally masculine, or she does wear cargo paying, but
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: it's two thousand one. Everyone's wearing cargo pass and she
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: is wearing them with a very high rise thong. Yeah
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: we're talking about Letty right, okay, because I feel like
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Letty is the one who's like characteristic, like into cars,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: like the rude kind of girl. I like Letty's character
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: better across the board, and feel like Mia is is
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: very much a stock girlfriend character kind of remains that way.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I will say she becomes like a mom even it's
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like it's like good for her, but yeah, she's never
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: really liked the focus right, like she's she's here for
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: this movie to just keep Paul Walker in in this
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: space and like she's good at car for a second,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: which at least is paid off at the end when
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: she needs to be. But I don't know the especially
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: because it's like I loved herd a Brewster. I wanted
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to have more fun stuff to do. Yeah, she she
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: isn't given much, especially car type stuff, which is the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: focus of this movie. Yeah, the woman good a car
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: thing in this movie. I would say it's not as
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: egregious as like the Megan Fox Transformers then because it
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel tacked on and their interests hasn't been like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: overly sexualized. But it does mean that like the women
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: who know cars get to hang out with the fast boys,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and the women who don't know cars are the quote
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: trophies who stand who are literally so called like like
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Dom picks up, you're my trophy, You're like, no, Letty,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: we do see participate in a arace. But Mia is
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: really just there for Paul Walker to put his arm
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: around and help wash some dishes. And really it's kind
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: of a show that he's like a good guy really
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: because he defends her, he helps with the dishes. He
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: it's kind of shows his intentions to that he falls
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: for her and not one of the girls at the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Furious Girl because those are beneath him. Yeah, and then Mia,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: like Mia is also used to show what a quote
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: unquote bad guy that vinces in this movie, where he
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: is very bossy towards her. He uses a gay flour
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie. He yeah, like he's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: just generally not like the good guy. He says at
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: one point, like whenever he sees Brian washing dishes, He's like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: wash my car, and then I'm going to put you
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: in a dress and put you out on the street,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: which is like, okay, that's like sex worker shaming or
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're saying. Vince is I mean,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Vince is all a the place and in the way
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: he puts people down his very two thousand one. Um,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: what is he in the sandwiches? Yeah, the sandwich he
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: sandwiched crazy or something. That's his whole vibe. I mean
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that performance, you know, it's a performance where the shirt
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: is doing more work than the man, perhaps even being
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: half a shirt. You know, it's true. I mean, I'm
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: sure it wasn't. In and it all. This reminded me
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of Matthew Lillard's Mets shirts and hackers and and SLC punk. Honestly,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Lillard rocked a mesh for a good six or seven years. There.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gone. Anyways, let's take a quick break and then
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: we'll come back. Let's talk about Letty. She is my cat.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: It's a face cat. How many nipples does your cat
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Letty have? Oh my gosh, um, I think it's eight
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: or six? Okay, Sure, it's about feminist, definitely. I mean,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: she's honestly doing laps around us. I don't know what
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the funk we're doing over here, my cat. Okay, I'm sorry,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: now I listen. I'm sorry. I'm still feminist. Letty the character. Yes,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I smell skanks alert one of her there. I think
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Letty like. I like Letty. I don't know, Fay. I mean,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you you understand this part better than I do.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: She dies in the franchise, but then it turns out
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: she's not dead. Okay, so are you just like spoiling
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: everything for everyone? Or yes? No, to be fair, they
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: came out about ten years ago. Yeah, she does die
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and she does come back. Okay, so I don't I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: can't vouch for any of that. But in the first
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: in the first movie, I I feel like she is
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like half stuff I like and half empty girl powered
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: trophy stuff. It. I'm just like, man, we don't get
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: to see her do any significant driving until the again
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: horribly named Race Wars scene which is not until towards
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the end of act two. We're like, well into the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: movie before we see her do anything impressive. And it's
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: really in just one scene where a guy pulls up
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: next to her. He's like, baby, you should be watching
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: from the side. I don't want to get any exhaust
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: on that prudy face. And then she's like, how about
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you put your money where your mouth is? And he's like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: how about I race you for that sweet little glass?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And then I do love this scene. Then she says,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: if you want to ask, why don't you hit up
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard, which is another actually took offense to that.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that was a direct day at you. I
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: felt like it. And then and then Michelle Rodriguez puts
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: on that sunglasses and you're like, there there's a lot
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of nuance to her performance. I really like Michelle Rodriguez
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: as I love her. She's I mean, I really enjoy her.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Liam Neice and comments aside, which she retracted, so it's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: all good. I don't know, yeah, I mean, look it up.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: It's not relevant to this discussion, but she's great. So
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: she she's like, Okay, I'll bet you two thousand dollars
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: whoever wins this race, and then she wins, and we're
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: supposed to be like we girl power. I'm so empowered
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: because a woman one, which, to be fair, I am. However, However,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: it has no narrative importance, no importance, and and you
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: can't just have one tiny glimpse of a woman's empowerment
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: in a movie and then have the rest of the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: movie showing women who were sidelined objectified like all that stuff. Sorry, Caitlin,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: have you seen a blockbuster before? Of course you can do.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I misspoke. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I know, I do.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. Like I really liked that scene and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that was like the whatever. I guess that's the line
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: of cheesy girl power stuff that I'm like, Okay, that
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: scene I can handle, and I I appreciate the gesture,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't if you take that scene out of it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it's there, but if you took it out,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: nothing about the movie would be different, which just means
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: that she's not, you know, given enough to do that
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: makes her critical to that plot. And then at the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: end during the climactic, I guess it's not even the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: climax because the climax is the race between Dom and
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Brian at the end with the train, the sensitivity, the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: final the heist, the final heist at the end. Volume
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: was at eleven during the last I'm glad that like
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Letty is allowed to be a part of like the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Heist Gang. I guess if you're gonna have criminals, you
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: might as well let a woman be a criminal too.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: And it is good that, like, I mean, I wish
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that we got to see her skill more and the movie,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: but it is repeated by a bunch of different characters
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: how how skilled she is, and like what an important
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: part of the group she is, even though we don't
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: like to see it that much in this movie, but
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I appreciate. But then she's the one who crashes, so
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, well, I mean, I guess it
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: could have been anybody, but you've got to make the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: woman crash the car during not going to be Yea
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: right or Leon whoever? The car who is I don't
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: know which guy is that he never comes back. He's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the one who sort of looks like Vince. I couldn't
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: tell them apart for the first hour and twenty minutes
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: of the movie, but he's like a nicer Vince basically right,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and then also Jesse, there's like that loose backstory for
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: him where he's like a genius hacker and he's like,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I could have gone an M I T, but I
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: have a d D. Anyways, I'm a street racer now
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and you're just like I this journey. Oh okay, fine,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I mean back to Letty. She's Dom's trophy, he says it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: She hot list of things, and I'm like, man, she
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: deserves better the whole like jealousy arc of I smell
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Skanks very two thousand one, and just as like your
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: boyfriend who's flirting with these women, be mad at him,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: not mad at the various Monica's. He just approached the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: flock of Monica's that Vin Diesel takes around with him
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: wherever he goes. Um. I think that Letty like she
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: is objectified in some ways, but not in the same
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: way that all the Monicas are. The Monica's, I think,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: are the most egregious example of just complete like they're
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: just framing is set dressing like so much male gays,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: so many like lingering shots of the camera on women's
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: butts and breasts in the costuming in the case of Letty, though,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I would argue that in their scenes together, Dom and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Letty are equally sexualized because there is some like, yes
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: she's wearing a tank top, Yes, her titties are all
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the way up. Yes we see her but get grabbed
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: in a shot. But we are also seeing Vin's oily muscle,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: We're seeing his like shiny head, Like I like in
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: those scenes because I did say his shiny head. You
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: just wait. You think you see shine, now just wait
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: until the rock gets involved. Literally part of the drinking
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: game is just full down your beer. Anytime he's the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: only one shiny, it's insane, how sweaty, because I don't
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: know he is just listening. They make a joke in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: one of the later movies that he is always just
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: covered in baby oil, so it becomes referenced. It's how
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: intense it is. It's I mean, and it's it's intense
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: in the first one too. So it was like in there,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: there is that one horny scene Vin and Michelle and
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: they're fucking near a car because you can't resist. They're fast,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: they're furious, um, and in that scene, I was like,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: they're both sexualized. And so that specific scene for me
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: was kind of like, Okay, I guess that was just
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: like a hot blockbuster sex scene, right, because I mean
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the target demographic of these movies are teen boys, young men,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the boys of any age really and right, So it's like, well,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: we need an example of like a really fucking cool,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: hot but like not too hot but hot enough manly
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: man who's studiedly Paul Walker, who's too hot, too hot,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: too curious. So yeah, we like, you know, I guess
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: they need to throw in an impressive man who the
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: boys who these movies are targeted for can be like,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: oh man, he's still cool. I want to be just
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: like a boy. Vin Diesel. Yeah, the whole first movie
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: just like makes me hope more for Letty in subsequent installments. So, FAE,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: how do you feel Letty's character progressive? Do you like it?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Do you not like it? Well? I definitely do like
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: her character. She gets a lot more exposition, you get
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: a lot more of like her and Vin's relationship, and
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I think he treats her really well. I don't think
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's like a very their unequal playing field.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: They're both part of the team in the same capacity,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: and I think they're both well respected I didn't really
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: think about in terms of like her being this damsel
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: that does need to be rescued, because that's like the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: entire plot when she comes back to life basically, and
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: so she gets fridged and then unfridged. She basically they
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: fake her death to use her as a pawn against
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: vin Um, so she gets like brainwashed. So even while
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: she is a damsel, she's like this badass sort of
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: supervillain like, so I guess I never really like thought
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: of her that she is definitely like in a space
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: to be rescued, but she's not weak. She's still the
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: main character, and like, I don't know, so up for discussion.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: But um, does the movies? Does the franchise get any
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: better in terms of like, because so many shots of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: this movie are just like sweeping shots of like women's
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: bodies and like them being like framed as the trophies
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: for the cool fast boys who win the race. Does
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: that get any better or is it still it does not?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: That's just part of them, that's I think from what
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I know about this world, it's like somewhat a part
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: of the culture. But like there are moments where they
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: become kind of more self aware about it, like when
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: gal Gadote becomes part of the cast. Because Gal Gadote
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: becomes a part of the cast and she's like an
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: incredible racer and she um there's a part where she
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: uses her sexuality to like her at andage, like it
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: becomes a little bit more like self aware. But I mean,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: people go see the movies for like this fun romb
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and for the hot girls. I mean there's a moment
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: like about seventy minutes into the movie where people are
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: spraying a woman's ass with a shower nozzle and then
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: she shakes her titties around while wearing a wet white
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: tank top. Seems consensual and to Michelle Rodriguez's credit, in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, when Fate came out the Fate
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: of the Furious eight one, she posted on Instagram the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: day that it was released on DVD. Very important to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: call back, she said, quote, the Fate of the Furious
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: is out digitally today. I hope they decided to show
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: some love to the women of the franchise in the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: next one, or I might just have to say goodbye
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: to a loved franchise. It's been a good ride and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I'm grateful for the opportunity that fans and studios have
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: provided over the years. One Love. Has there been a
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Fast and the Furious since the Fate of the Furious. No,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the last one, so I guess
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: it kind of remains to be seen whether they will
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: hear her on that. But she is in the next one,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: so hopefully that means that. I mean, even for for
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: a franchise like this, even a small step, and it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: seems like the addition of like the gal Gadot character
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: and like letting Letty do more that they're edging in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the right direction. But I thought it was cool for
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: like a major star to Yeah, and I will say
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: for like the longevity of these movies are like in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the canon of them, every woman does appear to be
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: in charge of her. She makes a choice, Like no
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: women forced into this. Yeah, she has agency. No woman
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: is like forced to be this side show car skank
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, Yeah, these the women are where
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: they want to be, doing what they want to be doing.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: And there's I think a lot to say to that.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: There's like nothing feels like cringe e to me when
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: you're like this woman doesn't seem to have the ability
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: to say no to her situation. Sure, right, yeah, I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: mean I hope that it's And it almost like seems
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: like a kind of a clever screenwriting a hack that's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: employed there where the women are like they do question things.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they have like somewhat realistic, like Mia is really
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: frustrated and deceived another fun man deceives the object of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: his interest for the majority of the movie trope that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: we love. But at least that, yeah, like they do
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: have agency, and they do Ultimately they make the choice,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Am I going to go with what either Paul Walker
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: or Vin Diesel wants or not? Conveniently for the screenplay,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: she usually chooses to do what the male protagonist wanted
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: her to do. Any Yes, she's also doing so much.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Mia is doing so much emotional throughout the whole movie
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: because she's constantly breaking up fights and like having to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: deal with this creep Vince who likes her and then
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: like trying to divert that away, and like Dom's always
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: like pissing people off, So she's always like stop fighting,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and she's just doing a lot and it shouldn't the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: burden shouldn't be on her to have to do all
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: this stuff, but she's constantly just being like, got it out,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: don't do that. That that continues, and in fact it
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: gets even like the labor sheep, but then is like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: more and more because she becomes like a wife and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: a mom, and it's just like she's constantly pleading with
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: them to not go into these dangerous situations where they
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: are weirdly in charge of protecting the entire national security. Well,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I love how this takes continue insane. They're the most
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: fast and furious of all the people, the best to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the protect us, and it becomes clear. Okay, I have
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: a quick update on the Michelle Rodriguets think. There was
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: some questions of whether she would appear and Fastened the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Furious nine that was resolved just a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: They confirmed she is going to be in Fast nine,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: but she refused to sign her contract until they had
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: signed a female screenwriter to Oh my God, is my cat?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Isn't that that is the best choice I ever made?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah. Slash Film reported that she confirmed she will
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: be back for Fast and the Furious nine after holding
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: out until a female screenwriter was brought on for the sequel.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: That means universal has hired a female writer for this
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: franchise for the first time ever, but as of now,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the identity of this elusive female screenwriter has not been announced.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: It's me, Jamie, It's me. I don't have a driver's license,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm writing Fast and Furious nine. Let's just see
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: if they're pay them the same amount. Oh good point,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: but anyways, shouts out to Michelle Rodriguez, Feministic a queer icon. Yes,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: we love her. Indeed, should we talk a little bit
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: about the male friendship that the toxic masculinity that is
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: present in the homo erotic tension. The greasy boys are
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: very close, the looks they give each other. I think
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: this might be like one of the giggest movies that exists.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot written about like the use
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of homo eroticism, and I mean, and it is employed
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: in action movies pretty frequently, and there's so many franchises
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that sort of play this. I mean, it is like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: queer bating to an extent. It's not I don't know,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: it's weird. Like in the Fact of the Furious it's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: never what they're saying. It's just like how they're looking
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: at each other and how they're interacting with each other
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: while they're saying it, like there is a way for
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Vin Diesel to make that I would say, incredible monologue
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: at the end about how he doesn't care about anyone
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: in his life except his car, and his car is
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: his wife, and his wife is his wife. Yeah, his
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: his car wife. And but like the way that him
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and Paul Walker looking at each other through it, you're
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, they're just like there is a connection here,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: like the way like male friendship, the male friendships are
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: more important than the romantic relationships. Yes, and the movie
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: cares more about the relationship between Brian and Vince and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: like reconciling that because like Brian starts off on on
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Vince's bad side and stays there for most of the movie,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: but then when he saves him at the end and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: then it calls in the helicopter to save his life,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: like that's him being like, oh, finally, like maybe Vince
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: will like me now. And the movie cares more about
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: reconciling that relationship than it does about developing any of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: the female characters or like any of those relationships. So there,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: it's that's a tricky thing with this because there are like,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: we haven't talked about a lot of things in this
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: franchise that I think are generally good for the world.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: It is one of the most diverse blockbuster franchises in existence.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: That's really cool. Michelle Rodriguez is a woman of color,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and she is like the female lead. She's a queer
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: female of color, which is I mean, which was not
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: known in two thousand and one. But still, I mean,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: that's cool. I do always like and I don't know,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I mean you you'll know more about how like the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: male friendships develop. I wouldn't say that the male like
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: that Brian and Dom's relationship is like healthy, but there is,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: you know, they're just mostly like look at my pipes,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like there I can't like, I can't say I love you,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make you intense second car like there
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: is that like weird repression in there. But I do
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: appreciate when attention is given to male male friendships. I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: enjoy that too. And I will say, and I think
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I talked about this a bit on our Lord of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: the Rings episode, but I think there's a tendency to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: see a close male friendship in a movie and then
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: automatically assigned homo eroticism to it, because I don't know
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: if it's just because we're so used to not seeing
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: positive male friendships and movies and it's like, oh, well,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: if two men are closed, there must be some underlying
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: homo eroticism there, right, which I know maye that may
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: be true for some male friendships, and it isn't a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: lot of the time. So I feel like, I don't know.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like it maybe doesn't disservice sometimes to be
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: like two men who are close, well, then there there's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: it's sexy. I agree with that, But in the case
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: of this franchise, well, I think it's pretty homorotic. I
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: think because these movies are so enveloped in Vin Diesel,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and he is a producer on them, and he has
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: such like a staunch say and what goes on in them,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: And then you look at his off screen relationship with
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Paul Walker and it's sort of like the most beautiful
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen, Like he is just they're genuinely
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: the best of friends. Vin Diesel. If you follow him
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: on social media, he has an ongoing hashtag Toretto Tuesday,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: where he posts a photo of him and Paul Walker together.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: He named his kid Pablo after him. He um is
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: constantly talking about how much he misses Paul Walker. Who
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think every listener probably knows what he
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: did pass away a couple of years ago. Like everything
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Vin does seems to be a tribute to him. And
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I just think like it kind of makes me regret
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: mentioning this like joke of homoroticism because I genuinely think
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: they were like brothers and I think that's explored in
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the movies and kind of I think a lot of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: my like perception of it is skewed by what I
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: see outside of the movies. But they just genuinely like
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: their brotherhood is I think something we never get to see.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: It's two dudes that are just really good friends, yeah,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and like really care about each other. And I could
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: be mistaken. I'm sure someone like in the comments will
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: let me know, But I do think they say they
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: love each other in the movies. I'm like almost under
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: percent sure. I mean, hopefully at some point they've been
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: together for ten years and they're just like I'm gonna
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: get UTENSI car any day now, because uh, yeah, I
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, in general, I think that it's
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: it's good. I think that I don't. I mean, we
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: can't really speak to this because we're a bunch of
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: straight ladies. Uh so all of our queer listeners please
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: give us insights. I think that there's elements of both
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: employed and there are in a lot of this genre,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: but in general, I mean, any example, for like young
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Men that like normalizes male male friendship, and it seems
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: like this franchise does pretty well with that. So yeah,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: they don't show away from it for like fear of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: maybe like being like perceived in some sort of I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's the core concept of the movies' is
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: like brotherhood, and I guess more like overall familiar because
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I do think that the women are just as important,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: like plot wise and like development wise. Yeah, so there's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: like a whole lot of butts, but then there's a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: whole lot of love. Vince like that character, Yeah, he's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: you don't he's not really the one. Know, he's in
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a few more, but he's like by no means a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: vital character. You get ludicrous in the next one, which
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: him and then Tyrese are they come into the team. Um. Yeah,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: and then every every film has like this iconic like
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: getting a team together montage, which is my favorite trope
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: of any movie. It's those are good montage. Not all
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: tropes are bad. I don't know a montages like my kryptonite,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: like Jamie, like what you were saying, the diversity in
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: this movie, it's like Vin Diesel identifies as a person
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: of color. Um, there are some I mean this kind
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: of struck me where the first two groups that the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: FBI identifies as suspects of the hijackings are Hector's group,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: which are I think all Latin X men, and then
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Johnny trans group, which are all Asian men. So it's like, oh,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: these people of color are the criminals, but I would
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: also people the hero, the good guys, who are also criminals,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: and because they're the shiniest one, you know, Yeah that's true,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: that's true. But yeah, this is uh. I mean, considering
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: so many franchises, so many action movies and movies in
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: general are made up of almost entirely white people, this
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: movie does do quite a bit better in terms of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like racial fir City a big like tenant
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: of van like producing these movies, and I think why
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: they do so well, like internationally is he tries to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: get actors involved that are like really iconic in different countries.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: So like Tokyo Drift has I don't know the actor's name,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: but the han is the character's name. He's like a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: big Jap and he's actor, and then they get Gagado.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Chis is really and like, I just like really commend
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: him for his even I don't know, maybe if his
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: intentions are more like capitalistic and like box office numbers,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I want to think more of him and think like
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: he just like really embodies these kind of values of familia.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: But I could be giving him way too much credit
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and just be like such a sucker for these movies
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I can't see bad. I mean that's so it sounds
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: general to me. It seems like the cast of this
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: movie for all like the fun drama clickbait that I've
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: read about it. In general. I mean it seems like
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: they try to do right by each other. I mean,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I'm still like super impressed by like Michelle Driguez using
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: her platform like responsibly and to get other women work.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: And I mean what Vin Diesel, I mean that sounds
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: like it makes business sense and kind of helps everyone
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to uh. So, like I'm not going to fault him
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, I don't know I appreciate this franchise.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: It's just too loud for me. I'm gonna say, I
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: don't appreciate this franchise nearly as much. And granted I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: have been exposed to almost none of it, but to me,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's too much of a focus
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: on like the male friendship and the eight and we
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Gotta Stick Together. And yes, women are present, but I
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: think at least in in the first one, and I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: would imagine in the later films that they could be
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: included more meaningfully because I mean, but it also matters
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: like they're fridged and and and stambled at a higher rate.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: And also and and the ratio of men to women
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I think remains pretty unequal where it's still mostly men.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Also just that these movies seem to largely be about
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like men proving that they're awesome and fast,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: which like translates to who of us is the more manly,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the faster you are, the more mucho you're the best man.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: So and there's so many scenes where like men are like, Okay,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: who's the faster, who's the best man? And I'm just
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: like I don't care. Yeah, well, if you don't care
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: about that, these are I just think that, like for
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: hyper masculine franchise, I mean, I will I'm sorry if
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I cannot make the argument that this is even remotely
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: a feminist franchise, Like that argument is kind of off
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the table for me. But like in terms of like
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: is it a net positive thing for the world, I
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: think that there's like certain areas of it that could
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: be argued as as a positive as far as an
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: action franchise goes. I mean, well seriously that it's like,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: if you have a gigantic action franchise, would you rather
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: it be core in male friendship and like has a
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: hugely diverse cast, or would you rather they make more
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like Blade Runner movies? Like I do think like in
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: this specific genre, I feel like there's a lot of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: positive I think that's maybe it why I give it
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: so much credit, because I do love action movies, so
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: then you you kind of have to narrow it down
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: to action movies, and then in that genre, this is
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I think one of the greater ones. Do I want
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  Speaker 1: an equally diverse female action franchise? Hell yeah, but I do.
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  Speaker 1: But honestly, though if it was really loud, I still
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  Speaker 1: might not see it. You got to get that check
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  Speaker 1: out digital listen. I know, I know why it's that
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  Speaker 1: diet nas. I have permanent frame damage from my diet nas.
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  Speaker 1: But there's I don't know. I think that there's definitely
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  Speaker 1: pros and cons. Sure, I don't hate that it exists
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  Speaker 1: the way I hate that other franchises exist. And that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of all you can hope from someone that you
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: don't hate it exists, right right, I don't know. I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: mean it's but I also I'm like, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: we're going into like as a as a young boy
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  Speaker 1: better or worse off for having seen a Fast in
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: the Furious movie, I don't know. I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: they would have more respect for women. In fact, they
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  Speaker 1: may have less. Yeah, I mean considering. I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, there's so many shots of this movie are
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: just like, look at these hot women who are again
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: framed as literal trophies, like they are the prizes to
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: be one. They're wearing next to nothing. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: just so heavily objectified that I think, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: people seeing this are like, oh, women are prizes except
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  Speaker 1: for the one cool one who's my sister, and the
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  Speaker 1: other cool one who's my girlfriend. And they're only cool
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  Speaker 1: because they know how to drive good. I didn't feel
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: like this movie does more net negative than positive, but
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's also from two thousand one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I faye where you I mean, I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: guess we know where you fall generally. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I think I'm it's hard to like detract
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  Speaker 1: this movie from the rest of them, So I'm thinking
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: franchise wide, like it's more of a net positive. I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: don't think a young boy would necessarily leave with more
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  Speaker 1: respect for women. But I don't think that the movie
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  Speaker 1: degrades women quite to the extent that Caitlin saying, or
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: maybe that you see in the first one, which I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: do upon like rewatch and note taking realize it's like
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit more gramm than I had been remembering. Yeah,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think this this at least speaking to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: this one, I don't think it does very well except
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: for some elements of Letty and like one element of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: me um. I don't know. I mean, I also like
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: fully understand that's not what people go to these movies for.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Like it's not it's not. I don't know, there's certainly
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: I guess for me, like sometimes I would prefer a
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: movie that is so clearly not trying to like be
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: a feminist movie than a movie that's like this is
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Ones for the ladies and it's just fucking hollow and
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: sending that messages, because what's worse to me would be
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: we're going to remake Fast and Furious but with all
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: women or something that to me is like more degrading,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, women just want to see an identical
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: film but just featuring women. It's like, no, we can
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: see movies with men, and that just the women should
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: have development and personalities and names and speak to each other,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: and women should get their own original franchises, like please
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: stop doing all family reboots, please please place. I think
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: so much of like what I'm conditioned to think is
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: like well, like it could be so much worse, Like
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: so I think I came into it more like a
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: little bit aggressively, like these are feminist films because it
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: could be so much worse, but obviously like more dissecting,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like we could do better. I can for
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: sure do better. I just I I yeah, with like
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: the all female reboots stuff. I just when that was
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: first happening, I didn't really think about it and I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, cool, like it sounds fun. But then
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: kind of in retrospect now it's just like, okay, well
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: that sort of sets the precedent that every every franchise
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: needs to be beta tested with men first to see if,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: like you know, like it has to be so. And
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: then every time that happens, uh, you know, the redditors
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork to just like ruin Lives.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: So I think just give them in their own friend
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: especially because, like I mean, the ones that people aren't
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: really talking about that much as being all filmale reboots.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: But like that movie The Hustle that came out was
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: essentially a reboot of Dirty Rotten Scandals. The Hustle was
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: not a good movie. Little was a reboot of Big,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: also not a good movie. What Men Want was a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: reboot of What Women Want, also not a good movie.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: They're like, it's just like good original stories featuring women,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: and don't try to like take movies that had been
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: commercial successes and reboot them. And it's like women, because
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: you're not doing a good job, Hollywood, and it's sabotages
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: women and female leads in the end too, because when
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: those movies don't do well, it's like, oh, well, people
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to see movies with women in them, and
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: it's just like, no, we just don't want to see
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: the same movie that we didn't like the first time,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Like why would anyone want there? Oh side, So does
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: this movie pass the Bechdel tests? Apparently it does. I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: think it might. Okay. There are two instances where women
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: interact at all in the entire movie. One is where
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Letty comes in to Toretto's and says to Mia, how
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: you living? Girl? Mia does not respond. Second one is
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: the one we've talked about a few times already, where
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Letty goes up to the two women who are hanging
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: on which the seven different Monica's, and she says, I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: smell skanks. Why don't you girls pack it up before
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I leave treadmarks on your face? The one who had
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: been named Camille says okay and walks away. I love
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: that she responds. She responds and just like, okay, good,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: good point, honestly, But I mean, if you're going to
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: pass the Bectel test, it should be And I don't
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: think it's a threat from one woman to another and
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: using a sort of derogatory where that's almost attack women skanky. Wow, wow,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: so feminist film. I'm truly like they really, they really
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: did it to us. They really those little sneaky, those
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: sneaky little bastards. They made it past the actel test.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: That I mean, okay, I take it all back. Feminist text,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: the fast and the feminist feminist. Let's write the movie
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: on our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: its portrayal of women two and a half. Really, yeah,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: she's okay right in the middle. Who are you? Who
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: are you giving your nipples to? Do you have any
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: defense of the point before? Kaitlin and you all know
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: where I stand. You know, it could be worse, And
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: that's my that's my final thought Summer Summer two thousand one.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: It could. Yeah. I'm going to give two of my
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: nipples to Michelle Rodriguez and her Instagram posts and the
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: half to my cat Letty. Yes, a true, a true icon,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: an ally and an absolute ally. I'm going to give
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: this movie a half nipple because even though there are
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: two female characters who are significant characters in the story,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: they're really only framed as the love interests or girlfriends
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: of the male characters, who the movie is way more
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: concerned about developed being as individuals and as relationships the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: male friendship to each other. We see them not really
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: get to participate as much as I would like. Uh,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: And it's not until fairly late into the movie that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: we get to see them really doing anything at all
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: that has any narrative impact. Um. I mean, like one
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: of the ways that like Brian and Vince like try
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: to exert dominance over each other is like trying to
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: claim ownership of Mia, Like they're like Mia is like
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the object of affection and everyone's just like, but she's mine. Um.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: So there's just all these different things. Yes, it is
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: good that we have a more racially diverse cast than
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: we are used to seeing in movies of this nature,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: But I just think that, I mean, between the underdeveloped
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: female characters who we do get to know, and then
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: the rest of any woman who we see on screen
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: is clearly just there as like hyper sexualized, objectified set
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: dressing just doesn't really do the gender any service. So
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a half nipple, and I'm going
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: to give that half nipple too. I suppose Michelle Rodriguez
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: for advocating that women be more meaningful and more meaningful
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: part of this story in the much much later movies
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: of this franchise, I'm going to do you a I'm
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: gonna do one and give it a one. I I
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: do think that there are positive elements of this franchise
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: in general as it pertains to gender, especially this movie specifically,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: not that much. There is the way that women are framed.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: The way the camera frames women in this movie is
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: like super sexual and to the point where it's like funny,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: which should never be the case. It's really weird. Uh.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: The sound check sucks a job. It's too it's too loud.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that some elements of the male friendships,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: the very racially diverse cast, and the fact that there
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: is at very least a queer woman of color helming
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: the token girl in the franchise. Her character's head row
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: as far as we can tell. But but in terms
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: of like represent I mean I think that her like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: being openly queer and still being in a major franchise
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: is progress so basically only because of Michelle Rodriguez, because
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: it seems like there has never been a woman behind
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the camera of a fast and furious production based on
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: the credits of this movie. But for the things that
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: we're given, I'm gonna give it one nippy and give it.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Give you back to Michelle Room Baby Room on that
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: say thank you so much for being here. I think
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I begged you to let me do this and I
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: kind of got torn apart. But a lot of times, yeah, sometimes,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to stop watching. That's what this
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: podcast is all about. You're still allowed to love the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: things you love. I just we just encourage people to
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: examine the things that they love critically. Oh to close,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Actually a fae, would you mind sharing the drinking game
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: with us? Okay, yeah, so I will name a couple
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: of things I remember that are notable, and I want
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out to my friends Zach Cornfeld
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: who helped develop this game with me. Um, So you
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: drink any time the rock is so so sweaty and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: no one else's anytime vin is wearing sleeves. Oh a
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: gratuitous butt shot. Um. Especially in the movie where they
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: go to Brazil, they have the same b roll shot
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: of the there's like a big statue. Um. They show
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: that about fifteen times, so you're going to want to
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: drink every time. They kind of Jesus statue. I think
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: it's a I think maybe merrist it's incredibly feminist. Um,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: what are smarther things? Anytime, like sort of a henchman dies,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: A lot of people die, and it's it's sort of unrecognized.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I would say in the first one, Well, I don't
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: know if those deaths count to your discretion. You may
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: drink or you may not. UM. And anytime they just
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: straight up to five physics. Um, as I said, the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: stakes get higher and higher. There are trained scenes, there
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: are there are cliffs, there are airplanes, there are parachutes.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to get pretty drunk later on. UM. Let
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  Speaker 1: me think if there's like a final one. I can
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: you know if anyone wants to d m me, I'll
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: send them the PDF. But the highlights, oh, anytime you
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: do think, um, either Vin in the Rock or Vin
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: and Brian are going to make out, but they don't, right,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: they get really close, like physically and emotionally. I feel
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: like there are some charge scenes. YEA, so happy drinking,
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