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AUTISTIC BOY SEBASTIAN ROGERS MISSING: NANCY QUESTIONS MOM & STEPDAD · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace, February twenty six, Monday morning,
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  Speaker 1: six am. From everything we can tell, that is the
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  Speaker 1: moment that Sebastian's mom and stepdad realize he's gone for.
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  Speaker 2: Just one moment.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine that you go in your child's room where you
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  Speaker 1: find your child every single school day morning and you
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  Speaker 1: wake them up, but at six am, he's not there.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine what must have gone through their minds.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear what his
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  Speaker 1: bio mom, Katie Proudfoot says, listen.
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  Speaker 3: Sebastian Rogers' mother, Katie Brownfoot, spoke with WSMV and explained
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  Speaker 3: exactly what happened the morning she found her son missing.
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  Speaker 4: When I welcome up for school, he wasn't there. I
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  Speaker 4: took a second walk through the house looking for him
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  Speaker 4: in case you'd gotten up and was trying to get
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  Speaker 4: breakfast or something, because you did that sometimes. About three
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  Speaker 4: minutes in give or take, I was on the phone
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  Speaker 4: with my husband. I said I can't find him. He said,
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  Speaker 4: what do you mean, can't find him?
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  Speaker 1: I said, he's not n can't find him.
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  Speaker 2: Where is he?
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  Speaker 1: And in the last days we learned that the official
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement search is actually scaling back this as tiktalkers
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  Speaker 1: and YouTubers are flooding the area conducting their own searches.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Eric Kratick, Chief Deputy Sumner County Sheriffs.
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  Speaker 5: Really wanted to come to the community to ask for
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  Speaker 5: your help. We need you to search your properties every day,
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  Speaker 5: morning and night. If there's a shed or a cross
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  Speaker 5: space or up under your mobile home, or a tarp
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  Speaker 5: that's in your yard, check it every morning and check
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  Speaker 5: it every night. But for any details that something has
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  Speaker 5: been disturbed. If there's a shirt that was there today
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  Speaker 5: that wasn't there yesterday, notify us. You can really help
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  Speaker 5: us by searching your own property twice a day. Like
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  Speaker 5: I said, we're operating under assumption that Sabastian walked off,
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  Speaker 5: and we really need your help to ensure that he
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  Speaker 5: is brought home safely.
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  Speaker 1: We are trying to determine what happened when this young boy,
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  Speaker 1: an autistic young boy, seemingly walks out of his own
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  Speaker 1: home in the middle of the night. We think barefoot,
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  Speaker 1: how did that happen? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: and on series X SEM one eleven. We've read a
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  Speaker 1: lot online, We've seen a lot of theory, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of speculation, but let's start with what we know to
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  Speaker 1: be true.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now in All Star panel.
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  Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go to two special guests
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  Speaker 1: joining us, Katie and Chris Proudfoot. This is Sebastian's biological
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  Speaker 1: mother and his stepfather who were in their home with
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  Speaker 1: Sebastian when he goes missing. To both of the proud.
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  Speaker 2: Foots, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, thank you for being with us. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go straight back to when Sebastian goes missing, Miss Proudfoot.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that the day before, which would have been Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: if I've got the information correct, that you guys went out,
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  Speaker 1: you went to dinner, you went to somewhere I believe
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  Speaker 1: you said b jays or he had a quote Coloss popcorn,
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  Speaker 1: and then you came home that night and around nine
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  Speaker 1: pm you tell Sebastian to go to bed. He says
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  Speaker 1: okay and goes to his room.
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  Speaker 6: Is that correct, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: That night, I.
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  Speaker 1: Understand from previous statements you've made that you went to
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  Speaker 1: bed around midnight. Is that correct, it is. And to you,
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  Speaker 1: mister Proudfoot, Chris Prowdfoot, did you also go to bed
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  Speaker 1: at midnight or before or after?
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  Speaker 3: No, man, we went around. We went to bed around
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  Speaker 3: the same time as we were on the phone together.
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  Speaker 1: Please excuse you any of my questions. I'm simply trying
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  Speaker 1: to find out more about that night. Do you too
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  Speaker 1: sleep in the same bedroom.
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  Speaker 6: He wasn't actually in the home at all that weekend,
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  Speaker 6: Christopher wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: You were not home, no, ma'am. Okay, So where were you,
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  Speaker 2: mister Proudfoot?
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  Speaker 3: I was in Memphis, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: How far away is that?
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  Speaker 3: Three hours and thirty seven minutes from doorstep to doorstep?
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  Speaker 2: And what were you doing in Memphis working? Where do
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  Speaker 2: you work?
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  Speaker 3: I'm currently working or was working at the Saint Jude
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  Speaker 3: Children's Hospital construction project.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very familiar with Saint Jud's.
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  Speaker 2: You said you were working there. Are you no longer
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  Speaker 2: working there?
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  Speaker 3: Right now? That's up in the air.
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  Speaker 1: Well. You've been gone ever since Sebastian went missing. So
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  Speaker 1: I understand when you are home. Do you two sleep
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  Speaker 1: in the same bedroom, yes, ma'am. Is this a three
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  Speaker 1: bedroom home, yes, ma'am. Where is your room? As it
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  Speaker 1: relates to Sebastian's.
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  Speaker 3: Room, It's on the opposite end of the house. The
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  Speaker 3: master bedrooms on one side and the other the two
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  Speaker 3: bedrooms are on the other side of the house.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So your master bedroom is on one side of the
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  Speaker 1: house and Sebastian's room is on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the house.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Now you have a third bedroom that I believe
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  Speaker 1: you keep for your other daughter. Is that correct, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Is that Faith is your other daughter named Faith?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So where is Fate's bedroom as it relates to Bastian's.
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  Speaker 3: Bedroom, It's on the back side of the house. Sebastian's
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  Speaker 3: bedrooms on the front side of the house.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So his bedroom is away from Faith's bedroom and
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  Speaker 1: away from your master bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Is Sebastian's room on a top floor or a floor
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  Speaker 1: a ground level?
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  Speaker 3: We have a ranch style house. It's a one and
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  Speaker 3: a half story, so everything's hat or flat, and then
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  Speaker 3: you have the bonus from above the garage.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So his is on ground floor, right, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That morning was there any sign of a break in
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  Speaker 1: through a window, a front door, a back door, sliding
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  Speaker 1: down glass door, anything at all, no, ma'am. Okay, no
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  Speaker 1: sign of forest entry. Was anything taken from the home
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  Speaker 1: at all?
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  Speaker 6: Not that we could find anything. We couldn't find anything missing.
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  Speaker 1: I want to circle back to Sebastian's shoes regarding if
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  Speaker 1: anything was missing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a burglar alarm?
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  Speaker 6: No, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a ring doorbell cam?
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  Speaker 6: No, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Have the two of you taken a polygraph?
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  Speaker 4: I have?
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  Speaker 7: I have not?
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  Speaker 1: Would you be willing to?
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  Speaker 3: I've offered and volunteered on many occasions to take a polygraph,
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  Speaker 3: and I was told directly by law enforcement because of
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  Speaker 3: my whereabouts I did not need one.
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  Speaker 1: I understand, Miss Proudfoot. Did you pass your polygraph? I
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  Speaker 1: did those questions out of the way. Was faith in
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  Speaker 1: the home when Sebastian went missing?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Does anyone else have a key to your home beside
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  Speaker 1: your immediate family?
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  Speaker 6: No, no, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: That night, Miss Proudfoot, at midnight when you went to bed,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do until midnight?
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  Speaker 6: I had been reading a chapter that I needed to
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  Speaker 6: and I had been talking to my husband on the phone.
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  Speaker 6: I was fallen asleep on it, so that's when he
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  Speaker 6: told me. It was around midnight. He told me, was
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  Speaker 6: go ahead and put the dogs up and go to bed.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what I did. I gotta put the dogs
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  Speaker 6: where they sleep, and then I myself went to bed.
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  Speaker 2: Where do they sleep?
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  Speaker 6: They have a big pen a pin.
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  Speaker 2: Is it inside or outside?
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  Speaker 6: Inside?
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  Speaker 1: Inside? That reminds you of another question. Do you guys
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  Speaker 1: have a motion sensor light or lights on the outside
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  Speaker 1: of your house.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we do have lights on the outside of our house.
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  Speaker 1: Did they activate that night?
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  Speaker 3: They're not motion censored? We have lights motions.
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  Speaker 1: Were they on that night? No, ma'am, okay, were they
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  Speaker 1: on that night? So the lights were out the whole night, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 6: We don't typically turn the flood lights on.
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  Speaker 2: Were there any lights outside the house on at all?
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  Speaker 6: Just my little solar lights that we have in the garden.
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  Speaker 3: There's two lights on the side of the house above
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  Speaker 3: the garage that are on at all times.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, those are.
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  Speaker 1: Oh there's a lot above the garage is on at
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  Speaker 1: all times.
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  Speaker 3: There's two, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so those lights were on, yes, ma'am. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is because I heard you say earlier,
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  Speaker 1: mister Proudfoot, that your neighbors have been very very forthcoming
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  Speaker 1: with their ring camera info. Yes, and I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to determine if any lights were on, what, if anything
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  Speaker 1: they may have caught. But I understand from your previous
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  Speaker 1: interviews that nothing of any evidentiary value was caught. And also,
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  Speaker 1: in another statement you gave, I understand that the video
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  Speaker 1: of the two flashlights, and I'm saying that with air quotes,
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  Speaker 1: that's not exactly what that was at all. We now
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that two flashlights were observed around your home.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: You're very correct, okay. Question regarding your vehicles, Miss Proudfoot,
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  Speaker 1: what making model do you drive?
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  Speaker 6: I drive a Infinity SUV year twenty seventeen, and sir,
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  Speaker 6: what do you drive?
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  Speaker 3: Can drive a diesel truck Chevrolet year I don't remember
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  Speaker 3: off the top of man, I think it's a twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Your Infinity Suv was parked in the
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  Speaker 1: garage or outside the garage that night, Miss Proudfoot, in
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  Speaker 1: the garage in the garage, and mister Proudfoot, your vehicle
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  Speaker 1: was on location in Memphis?
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 3: Correct?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So there's only one car at the home? Is
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  Speaker 1: that right?
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  Speaker 3: There was actually a word vehicle in the driveway at
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  Speaker 3: the time as well, but it hasn't moved. We can't
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  Speaker 3: just we can't give out that information because we're not
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  Speaker 3: permissioned from her work.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand that.
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  Speaker 3: What about the making model of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 6: I have a work fan that was also parked in
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  Speaker 6: the driveway.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that if it's out in the driveway where
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  Speaker 1: people can see it, why is that.
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  Speaker 2: Privileged information?
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  Speaker 3: We just don't have permission from her company to divulge
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  Speaker 3: that information.
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  Speaker 1: Have you asked?
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  Speaker 3: No, memory, have not. Nobody has asked us that question
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  Speaker 3: with you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you have a work van. Question to you,
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  Speaker 1: miss profit? What do you do for a living?
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  Speaker 6: I am an installation technician.
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  Speaker 1: That night, was the workvan blocking your driveway? Could someone
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  Speaker 1: go in and out of your driveway?
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  Speaker 6: The van is parked at the back of my driveway
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  Speaker 6: so someone can pull in.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, got it? Do you part your Infinity SUV in
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  Speaker 1: the garage or outside the garage?
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  Speaker 6: In the garage?
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  Speaker 1: In the garage, do you have an automatic garage door
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  Speaker 1: with the clicker right? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Do you leave that up or down at night?
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  Speaker 4: Down?
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  Speaker 1: Could anybody lift it up?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Is there an aut and off button outside? Or do
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  Speaker 1: you have to know a code or have the clicker
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  Speaker 1: to open it?
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  Speaker 6: You'd have to know the code or have the clicker.
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  Speaker 1: Does Sebastian know the code not to.
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  Speaker 6: The garage store, but to the man doors.
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  Speaker 1: Not to the garage door, but to the.
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  Speaker 6: The house door. Yes?
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  Speaker 1: So is there a code to get in your home
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  Speaker 1: or do you use a regular key? There's a code
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  Speaker 1: and he knows that code, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: Question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how he would have
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  Speaker 1: gotten out or if somebody came into the home. Could
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  Speaker 1: they have gotten through the garage door? No, unless they
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  Speaker 1: know the code or had the clicker, which they did not.
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  Speaker 2: Do you lock your doors.
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  Speaker 1: At night, yes, ma'am. Could he have left on his own.
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  Speaker 2: Through those doors?
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  Speaker 6: He could, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: But I heard in another interview where mister Proudfoot said
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  Speaker 1: he was not a quote wanderer, He didn't wander around.
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  Speaker 2: He never left the home before on his own.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Correct? We haven't had issues with him running or taking
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  Speaker 6: off in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a couple of questions regarding
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  Speaker 1: the doors. Do you have any home surveillance anything at
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  Speaker 1: all that would have given us an idea or a
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  Speaker 1: clue if the door had been opened or not, or
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  Speaker 1: a window not directly from our host, well then from where.
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  Speaker 6: That's what we were hoping that neighborhood ring cameras and
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  Speaker 6: made it picked something up.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back to that night. You said
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  Speaker 1: you were up till midnight. You were reading something. What
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  Speaker 1: were you reading?
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  Speaker 6: A chapter for school?
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  Speaker 2: A chapter for school? Are you in school?
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  Speaker 6: I was, yes, ma'am. I've since dropped my classes for
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  Speaker 6: the time.
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  Speaker 1: What are you studying?
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  Speaker 6: Business administration?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you go to school?
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  Speaker 6: Debray?
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  Speaker 1: So that night you go to bed at midnight, after
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  Speaker 1: you've been talking to mister Profit on the phone, you
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  Speaker 1: put the dogs away in a cage, a crate inside
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  Speaker 1: the home, and you go to bed. Did you check
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  Speaker 1: on Sebastian at that time?
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  Speaker 4: I did not?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, do you normally not?
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  Speaker 6: Typically, since he's gotten older, I've not been checking on
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  Speaker 6: him as frequently throughout the night because normally he's going
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  Speaker 6: to go in his room once he goes to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier, you had stated you heard a noise in his
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  Speaker 1: room before you went to bed.
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  Speaker 2: What time is that?
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  Speaker 1: Around ten o'clock ten pm? What did it sound like?
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  Speaker 1: Just a thud a thud? You stated that, you said, look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what you're doing in there, go to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: I was on the couch which is near his room,
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  Speaker 6: and I said, Bubba, did you fall out of the
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  Speaker 6: bed And he said no, ma'am. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 6: whatever you're doing in there, knock it off and go
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  Speaker 6: to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: So you heard his voice at ten pm, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any idea what the sound actually was.
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  Speaker 4: I do not know.
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  Speaker 1: If he were to go out his window, what would
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  Speaker 1: he step on?
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  Speaker 6: Mulch and bushes?
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  Speaker 2: Got it? Has he ever gone out the window before?
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  Speaker 4: No, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: It's his home. It's his room.
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  Speaker 1: On the front of the house or the back of
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  Speaker 1: the house front front. Do any of your neighbors ring
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  Speaker 1: cams point toward your house? Could they pick that up?
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  Speaker 6: They do, but it's so dark that they can only
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  Speaker 6: see it. After it gets so dark at night they
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  Speaker 6: can only see certain things.
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  Speaker 1: I thought there were the two lights on.
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  Speaker 6: On the opposite side of the house.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Can we talk about Sebastian's shoes. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: convinced Sebastian left without shoes on?
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  Speaker 6: Or are you well? The reason that that came about
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  Speaker 6: is because all of his shoes are accounted for inside
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  Speaker 6: the house.
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  Speaker 1: Still are you positive?
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  Speaker 6: Unpositive?
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  Speaker 1: How do you know what clothes he was wearing?
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  Speaker 6: The clothes that we described are the ones I saw
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  Speaker 6: him in when he went to bed that morning.
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  Speaker 1: You woke up at six o'clock. Is that the normal
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  Speaker 1: time you wake up?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: Are you a heavy sleeper?
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  Speaker 6: Off and on?
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  Speaker 1: Do you take any medication at night that would make
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  Speaker 1: you sleep? No, ma'am, but you heard nothing. I did
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  Speaker 1: not know, so we know he is alive and well.
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  Speaker 1: At ten pm, at six am, he's gone. You say
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  Speaker 1: he's never left before.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Correct? He's never run off before?
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  Speaker 1: And I could I confirm where was his bio dad
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  Speaker 1: at the time.
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  Speaker 2: He went missing.
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  Speaker 6: I believe he was at work in Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: Had there been any family argument or altercation prior to
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  Speaker 1: him going missing?
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  Speaker 6: No, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: And mister Prawfitt, when did you leave.
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  Speaker 3: Town early February?
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  Speaker 1: So you had been gone for days before he went missing.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 3: Correct?
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  Speaker 1: Had you visited home since you left?
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  Speaker 3: You said from when I've initially left. Yes, Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 3: I came home in February twenty sixth, the morning I
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  Speaker 3: was told that he was missing.
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  Speaker 1: From the time that you left for the job in
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Memphis to February twenty six did you visit the home, ma'am?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: When I was home? I can't give exact dates. Law
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: enforcement has told me not to provide exact dates. But
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I had been home multiple times prior to February, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: then I left early February and then didn't come back
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: till February twenty sixth, the morning was missing.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: So you were not home from the time you left
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: early February till feb twenty six Is that right?
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Where were you living in Memphis?
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I have an RV trailer that I stand at an.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: RV park, RVY park, Okay, falling back up on that morning,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you search the home, it's Pridefoot. Then you get in
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: your vehicle and you start searching. Yes, did Sebastian know
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: how to drive?
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: No, ma'am.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Was your car in the same location when you woke
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: up that morning?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: As it was the night before, yes, ma'am.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Has your car been searched by police multiple times?
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Have scent dogs looked at your car?
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So your car is in the same place. You get
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in the car, you start looking in the neighborhood for him.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Is that right, yes, ma'am. Then you call mister Proudfoot? Right.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: I believe I was already on the phone with him
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: at that point.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, question who called nine one one? I?
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Did you did?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: What time?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Without looking at a call lock and hen the exact time?
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: But on our about six?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And had you guys been talking on the phone before
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: six am? Or did you initially call mister Proudfoot at
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the time you realized Sebastian was gone?
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: I called him when I realized Sebastian was gone.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Have you guys been out looking for Sebastian?
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, ma'am.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: We were given information that you guys have left the home.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Is that true, yes, ma'am.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Why I'm going back to work.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You're going back to work? What about you, Miss Proudfit?
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: And I'm not going back to work, not yet?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: At least did you leave the home also, Miss Proudfit?
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, why to accompany my husband going back to
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: work and then I'm coming back.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, when will you be back?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Do you know yet?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: No?
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Not yet.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Are you concerned about being away while the search is ongoing?
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, I am.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Then why are you going?
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Because my son could be anywhere and we're looking everywhere
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: and anywhere.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I've got a question for you, Yes, ma'am, I want
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to find out about mister Proudfoot hitting Sebastian with a belt.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: That was actually several years ago, and it was to.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Mister Proudfoot, to mister Proudfoot, to mister Proudfoot, Yes, ma'am,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: mister Proudfoot, what happened?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstand that you would ask to me, Katie.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Sebastian had got an in trouble. Well, he got caught
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: line and we asked. I had asked him. I said, hey,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you know you got to have a punishment for this.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: He says yes, certain, I said, okay, So I gave
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: him a swat with a belt on his butttalks on
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the outside of his clothes one spot.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: What did he lie about?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't remember at the time, but it was
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: probably something dealing with school, because that's majority where his
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: issues lie.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Did he have other issues at school?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Some behavioral stuff but nothing too crazy?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: What kind of behavioral stuff.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: He has a hard times? Are belief socially blending in
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: with students, so it's a little he's trying to figure
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: out how to do it but respecting people's space. He
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: gets a little too close and then kids don't really
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: accept that too much, so it kind of causes an issue.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: But he'll not stop, and he continues on, so then
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: it causes an issue, and instead of being on about it,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: he'll lie like, no, I didn't okay, Sebastian, were about
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: doing work?
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Was that the first time? Was that the first time
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you had ever hit him with a belt?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, the one and only time. Actually when was
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: this years ago? Ma'am?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Any idea? How many?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Three?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Ten? One?
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: It probably at least three years ago.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how that turned into a CPS or
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Child Protective Services complaint? How were they alerted that you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: hit him with a belt?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: That did not turn That did not turn into a
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: CPS or service call?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: There were other CPS reports, right, were they? Regarding your
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: other child?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: There is one in regards to my daughter that I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: know of out in New Mexico with my ex wife
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: and myself.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: What happened.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: At the time. My ex wife had fled to New
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Mexico with my daughter going through a custody and in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: a divorce case at that time, and at the time
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: when I call and try to check in on my daughter,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I could never reach my ex wife at that time,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: so a welfare check was requested. Law enforcement told me
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to call CPS if I had concerns, So I called CPS.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Law enforces did make a welfare call and that was it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Then how does that turn into a CPS complaint against you?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I have no idea, man, there's a lot of misinformation
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: out there right now in regards to my New Mexico
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: case that actually has no relevance to the Sebastian case.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: And was there even a CPS complaint against you?
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Not that not that I am aware of, and my
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: attorney and myself well educated on my case and there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: nothing that we know of.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Was there a TRO taken out against you regarding your daughter?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Not a TRO but a TPO.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: A temporary protective order? Why was that taken out?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: So in regards to that case, my ex wife had
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: a TPO put against her in the in Tennessee. At
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the time when we went to court that got dissolved.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I was already to hand my daughter back over to
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: my ex wife at the time. She gets in a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: truck she FLTs to New Mexico. Two days later she
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: files one in retaliation.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Is it still in place, No, ma'am.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: That was dropped within I think two weeks of it
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: being put in place.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I got a question about the belt incident. You're telling
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: me that was the only time that you ever hit
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Sebastian with a belt, yes, ma'am. And you're also telling
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: me that did not make it to CPS.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: No, ma'am, that did not.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Question.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Regarding Fate's furniture, yes, ma'am. A few days after Sebastian
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: goes missing, did you replace furniture in Fate's room?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: No, ma'am. I have not replaced any furniture in my
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: daughter's room.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Is there any furniture in the home.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, wim, there's a bed that was given to me
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and it's currently in my garage.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Has anything been taken out of the home, No, ma'am.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I was curious about a statement that miss Proudfoot made
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: earlier that K nine dogs hit on the bar around
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the home and near a retention pond.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Did that happen, I'm.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Not sure about the barn, but the retention pond.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, because law enforcement says the dogs did not hit.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: There's been a miss.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Proudfoot says they did hit around the retention pond.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of miscommunication in regards to
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: what is and what is not. To help clear that up,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: law enforcement has actually spoken directly with me showed me
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: a few things. What I can tell you is there
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: from day one, there was five dogs that started the
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: sent for the search, and then after that from the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: next eight days out from that, there have been dogs
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: from all over the country that have come in and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: done searches and had sent hits in various locations. But
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I would say that a certain percentage of them tend
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to go toward the same pot, which would have been
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: a retention pond.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So the law enforcement dogs did not hit on the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: retention pond. Is that what you're saying.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: No, I'm saying they did. There was at least three
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that I know for a fact that did hit on
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the retention pond.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And the pond has been drained correct and there was
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: nothing there.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. They have walked it, drained it and there's nothing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: The retention pond was only knee deep.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Anyways, on one occasion, mister Proudfoot, you stated that you
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and missus Proudfoot have been quote vetted and cleared a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: foul play that was stated on Chronicles of Olivia. Is
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that true? What do you mean by that?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: So, after working with law enforcement of all agencies, they
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: have actually told us that there is no foul play.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: The various issues, we've been cleared of all wrongdoing. We
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: are working extremely cooperative with all law enforcement agencies. At
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: any point in time that they've called come to the house, anything.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Was Sebastian angry or upset before he disappeared.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: No man, not to my knowledge.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: What is your theory about where is Sebastian?
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: I wish I knew where he was, to be honest.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Your theory, your theory.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: I think it's possible that someone has my son. Why
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: because I feel like if he had been close to
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: the house or had walked off, that we would found
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: him by now with as many people as we had searching.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Have you checked his social media social media. Have you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: checked his phone?
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: His phone has been thoroughly checked, yes, ma'am.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Have you handed your phones to police both of you?
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Has police searched your all of your devices, your laptop,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: your iPad, everything, everything, yes, ma'am. Other than you, Miss Proudfoot,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: who is the last person that saw or heard Sebastian
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: alive the Sunday before he went missing?
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: Two of his aunts, a cousin and the staff. Where
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: we had dinner.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And that was at Bjy's the night before or the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: bowling alley.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: So Bjy's and then we went to the bowling alley
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: and then after the bowling alley we went to dinner
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: before coming home.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I want to follow up again on the dog's hitting. Earlier,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Miss Profit had stayed the dogs hit around the house,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the barn, and at the retention pond. Is that correct?
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: I don't know about the bond the barn, but I
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: do know that they did track to the pond. Yes.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Did the dogs also hit around the house yes, on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the outside.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Of the house, yes, ma'am.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Were they sent dogs or cadaver dogs?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: They've brought in both and tracking dogs.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Which dog hit a cadaver dog or a scent, dog scent.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: It's all been sent dogs that have hit the cadaver
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: dogs have not hit on anything that we know of.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: What do you believe Sebastian was wearing when he disappeared
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and would that have been what he slept in?
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Yes? So the clothes, the black sweatpants with the white
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: stripes and the long sleeve Leck shirt. That is what
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: he went to bed in. And the reason that I
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: believe he was still wearing those clothes is because when
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: we searched, I did not find those clothes in the house,
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: So I have to assume that that's what he was
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: still wearing.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. Did you say that's
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: what he wore when he went to bed?
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am joining.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Us right now, in addition to Katie Proudfoot and Chris Outfoot,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the bio mom and stepdad of Sebastian and All Star panel.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: First to Brian trash rejoining us, vice President of the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Cajun Navy, who has joined the search. Brian, thank you
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for being with us. Who asked you to join the search?
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: Well, we had deployed a team up to Nashville, Tennessee
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: last week in response to the missing college student Riley Stream,
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: and we stayed up there until he was found. While
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: we were in the area, we had a lot of
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: people reaching out to us on social media saying that
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: there was a young boy who had been missing for
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: several weeks that was only about twenty miles away from
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: where we were. So we talked to a few people,
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: got some information, and decided to deploy part of our
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: team that was already up there to Summer County to
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: investigate and see what we could do to help out.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: You went on your own, were you asked to join?
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: We were asked to join. I'm not sure specifically who
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: some of our people talked to, but we always we
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: get requests all the time, and we'll reach out. We'll
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: try to get either a family member or a close
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: friend of the family, just so we know we're talking
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: to people connected to the family, and somebody had had
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: reached out and asked asked us to join since we
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: already had assets so close to Sumner County.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Tell me what you have been doing, Brian Trasher or
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: everyone with me. The VP of the Cajun Navy who
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: has joined in the search. Brian, tell me what you
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: guys have been doing so.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: We've We've had a can our own canine team who
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: was already participating in the search for Riley stream up
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: there searching around. We've talked with the lead investigator, with
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: a Tennessee Burrough of investigation Agent Simmons. We've talked a
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: lot with him and trying to coordinate efforts because we
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: always try to coordinate law enforcement, make sure we're not
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: getting in the way, duplicating efforts or putting out any
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: conflicting information.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: You know what, mister Trasher, let me just cut the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: chase here. Isn't it true that this weekend pursue it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to your search that cadaver dogs hit in an area
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that had been closed off because of a prior hurricane,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and it is on federal property. Bones and other items
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: were found at that time. I found that very odd
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: as it would relate to Sebastian. Even if it was Sebastian,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: his body would not have been skeletonized at this time.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me now that what was found over
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the weekend is not connected to Sebastian? Yes, no, nope,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: not connected to Sebastian.
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: That's correct, that hit was not connected to Sebastian.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Joining me also in addition to Brian Trasher, who has
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: been leading the Cajun Navy in its search for Sebastian.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Hold on Brian.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Other than those hits, have there been any other dog
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: hits in and around the home or elsewhere?
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: Not from r K nineteen.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I'm very concerned Brian, as you can imagine, because LA
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement has stated there were no ca. Nine hits
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: outside the home, which I find very very disturbing, because
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: if he had gone outside, particularly barefoot, there would definitely
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: have been a cent trail. Now we're hearing from the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Proudfoots that there was a hit around that retention pond.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: How far is that pond from your home, mister Proudfoot.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Less than probably half a mile if you walk the
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: whole path.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Is it through wooded area?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Would he have had to walk through the woods to
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: get there?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: No, ma'am. You can actually walk either the main road
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: or the subduvion. His other construction site is a subdivision
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: new addition that's being built, and they have a road
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: that's going to be tying into our subdivision, So you
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: could actually walk up that way, or you could walk
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: to the main road and walk in.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Sebastian never sleep walk, no, ma'am, so he would have
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to leave the house undetected by Katie and walk all
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the way to that retention pond. Did the dogs follow
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the trail a half a mile, yes, ma'am. They follow
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the trail all the way to that retention pond.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: That's very curious as they are saying the dogs didn't
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: pick anything up. Back to you, Brian Trasher, did you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: guys search anywhere other than that federal property where the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: false positive was Yes, no, nope. Joining me is Courtney Laski,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: high profile behavior analyst, autism expert, chief clinical officer with
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Little Starts Therapy. Courtney, thank you for being with us
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: at this juncture. We know Sebastian to be most likely
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: with people he doesn't know. If in fact he is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: still alive. How would that affect a young boy with autism.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: It would affect him greatly.
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: Based on the diagnosis of autism, we know that they
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: typically have deficits with communication, social skills, and they display
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: some rigid and repetitive behaviors. If in fact, he is
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: with someone else who does not know him well, that
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: would be entirely out of his routine. He could be
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: engaging in behaviors he hasn't engaged in before. He could
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: be looking for an escape. He could be looking to
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: get out of those aversive situations. We know that not
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: every autistic individual will wander, but those who do wander
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: thirty six percent. It's to get out of an aversive situation.
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: It's to get away from something that's overwhelming or overstimulating
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: to them.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Ms Proud, Does he know your phone number? Can he
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: call you if he could get access to a phone.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: We have gone over my phone number. I don't know
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: that in a high stress time he would remember it,
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: but yes, I have taught him my phone number.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. Was he ever allowed to go visit friends homes?
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: He didn't get invited, but had he been, Yes, we
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: have had play dates in the past.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Would he go there? On foot Man Time Stories with me?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me now is Lauren Conlin, investigative journalist,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: host of The Outlier podcast, host of corruption What Happened
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to Grant Solomon and you can find her at Laurencolin
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: dot com. Lauren, thank you so much for being with us.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: What can you tell me about that stretch of road?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: If anything between Sebastian's home and that retention pond.
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: Well, look, Nancy, I mean, I think, like everything else
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: about this case, it is very confusing because the public
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: hasn't heard much from the police. We haven't heard much
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: from the proud Foots obviously when it comes to that
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: or Zeth Rogers, and now I'm learning a lot here
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: as I can hear Chris Proudfoot say, Okay, we can't
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: speak about this because of law enforcement, and now with
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: the Cajun Navy coming in, I think a lot of
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: us are very excited that they are going to basically
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: can miss this road, and they are actually telling civilians
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: to hang back.
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: Nobody needs to search this anymore.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: You need to stop, You need to stop helping and
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: let us work with law enforcement and take over now.
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: I called the Sumner County Sheriff's office yesterday because of
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: all the misinformation going around, and.
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: I gotta be honest with you, they didn't.
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: Even know what was going on with this road with
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: the recreation search.
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: They were either very elusive or they were very confused.
• 36:42
  Speaker 10: But either way, it's very concerning because the people as
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: well as myself, I don't live in Tennessee.
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: I cover a lot of Tennessee. We are very concerned
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: for Sebastian.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: We are very concerned, and so let me I stop you, right,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: miss Colin, everyone concerned, But let me remind everyone that
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: law enforcement is under no duty at all to tell
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: us or anybody else, including the Proudfoots anything. They are
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: not representing the Proud Foots. They are representing justice and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they will do what they have to do. The fact
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that they're not giving us a blowblin by blow is
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: their business. Does it mean they're stymied, I don't know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Does it mean they know more than we think they do.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. But just because
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: they're not releasing an ongoing investigative file is not a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: concern to me at this juncture. I am collecting facts
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and the best way I know how now regarding that
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: route from the Proudfoot Home to the retention pond, is
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that you're understanding, Lauren Conlin, that there were no hits
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: by scent or cadaver dogs along that route.
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: Correct, Nancy, It is my understanding there were no hits
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: from the dogs.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: It is very confusing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: It's confusing, you know sometimes, Lauren, when we try to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: put together a puzzle, but we're missing a few pieces
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and we don't know what peace we're missing. You can't
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: put the puzzle together. We're missing We're missing things from
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: this puzzle. And right now I'm on a fact finding mission.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I am pointing the finger at No. One because I
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: want to find Sebastian. I want to go to doctor
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Jordy Crawley and joining me and guys again. Please Proud Foots, Trasher, Laski, Conlin,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: jump in if you have a thought or you want
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to contradict, because a lot of this is elusive.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: We don't know everything to you. Jordy Crawley joining US.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Former law enforcement now faculty Saint Leo University, very well
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: known psychologist and author of Operation so As. You can
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: find them at Doctorjory dot com. Doctor Jory, thank you
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: for being with us. Many people have made much of
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that when interviewed, the proud Bits do not.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Look at the camera.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: They look away, they don't cry, and they don't seem upset.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Now that may or may not mean anything. People can
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: be very upset, crying, screaming, cursing. They may show no
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: emotion at all.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: They may be numb by the time interviews are happening.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I'm very different when I talk about my fiance's murder
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: or I talk about my dad's death. I still cry,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: even when I swear I'm not going to.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: But everyone reacts differently. What do you make of it?
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: I can see that the numbing, that fact, it's kind
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: of like a defense making to help you across you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: the events under those circumstances. As an alarmy at all.
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I have experienced that type of troll and stress.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: I've seen it other people that I am actually in
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: a few long psychologists.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Hold on just a second, to Jory Cross and doctor Joy,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you're cutting out on me. I'm gonna throw this directly
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to mister and missus Proudfoot. Much has been made. I'll
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: ask you you very often look away, don't look at
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: who's asking you questions, show no emotion. Much has been
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: made of that, and I'd like to hear your response.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not judging one way or the other.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I'd like to hear your response to the.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Fact of not looking at the camera all the time
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: is because picture of my son is sitting beside me
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: and I'm honestly and looking at him. As far as
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: the crying, thing. I have been crying off and on
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: NonStop for a month.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Many people have asked me, why did Miss Proudfoot not
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: call nine one one immediately? And here's your chance to answer.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: That, because by the time I realized my son was
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: missing and I called my husband, at that point, I
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: was hysterical. I was at the point where I couldn't
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: even form words anymore. And my husband is the one
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: who remained calm enough to call them.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, Misgrace, the way, we
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: live outside of city limits, so you don't call nine
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: one one because you get routed to a dispatching hub
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: who asked, what's your location, and then they route you
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to another dispatcher to talk to. To give this story,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I cut all of that out and I called straight
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: to the Sheriff's apartment because they have jurisdiction of where
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: we live. So sorry that I decided to bypass a
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: few steps and go straight to the source, where they
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: responded within ten minutes of the phone call being made.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Miss Proudfoot that evening. Were you drinking, no, ma'am. Had
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you used any type of drug at all, even OTC
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: over the counter, no, ma'am. And you had no argument
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: with Sebastian that night. No, ma'am, you stated you put
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the dogs away into a crate before you went to bed.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Is the crate located near the exit near a door, No, ma'am.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Would the dogs have barked if there had been an
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: intruder or if Sebastian had left.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: The dogs don't typically bark at me and Sebastian because
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: they're used to us. Even if we get up, we
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: come around, they don't typically bark strangers. They do tend
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: to bark, at least for a minute or two to
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: get attention. But no, ma'am, they don't typically bark at
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Sebastian and myself, Christopher when he's.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: On What kind of dogs are they?
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: More keyes?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Question? Where is their crate located.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: In the area near my sun room over by the kitchen.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: In your son's Okay, hold on, son, Is it outside
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: your son's room.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: No, ma'am, not not sebastians room. Son.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sun room. And that's not near the door, no, ma'am.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Not near the front door.
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: It's near my back door, but not any of the
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: other doors.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, from what I've seen the lay out of the home,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: it is near the back door, and they would have
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: heard someone coming in and out that back door, correct.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: No barking.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Do you have a chime or anything on your doors
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that would alert you to the door opening, No, ma'am.
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: Miss Grace. Could I jump in for something, yes.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Please, And I want to follow up with a question
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: regarding miss Proudfoot's polygraph, but please.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Lauren jump in.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody on the panel. Now is the time to ask
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the Proudfoots any question that may shed light on what
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: has happened to Sebastian. We are not in a judging arena.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: We are in a fact finding arena. We can then
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: assimilate the facts and make deductions. Please jump in. Lauren
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Colin is joining me. You can find her at Lauren
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Emily Conlin go ahead, yes, thank you.
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: And now this might be for Brian as well.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: Yesterday when the dogs hit and everybody's going crazy YouTubers,
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: Internet TikTokers, and we figure out it's not Sebastian, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: police are not involved, the TBI is not involved. Did
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: you call the Proudfoots and let them know that this
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: was not Sebastian? Did you tell them ahead of time
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: that you were searching these areas. Did they know what
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: you were doing or was this specifically just through Seth Rogers?
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: Yes, Seth Rogers is a Sebastian's biological father.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, so he was there, and as Miss Grace
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: alluded to earlier, it would not have been it would
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: not have been typical or possibly even probable that that
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: you could have skeletonized after only a few weeks. So
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure about the proud foots, but his father
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: definitely did know. I also wanted to echo what Miss
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: Nancy said earlier about the police. One of the reasons
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: we got called in. There was a lot of social
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: media personalities reaching out to us kind of complaining that
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: they didn't feel like the police were doing enough. But
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: really it's it's just what Miss Nancy said. It's that
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: they're not under obligation to give daily or every other
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: day updates. They are doing an investigation. We have been
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: in very close contact with TBI, and I can tell
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: everybody with one certainty, they are on top of it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: They are not letting their foot off the gas at
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: all on the search for Sebastian or trying to find
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: out what happened to them. The YouTubers and TikTokers that
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: do live stream probably do the most long We appreciate
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: the attention that they bring to things, but when you
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: do a live stream, you don't have any control over
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: what gets seen by potentially the entire world, So we
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: would you know, we can't tell people what not to do.
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: They have free speech. It's their own accounts they're using.
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: Not helpful to do live streams bearing searches like that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: If you want to do it, do a video that
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: you could potentially edit later so that we cut down
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: on the amount of misinformation. That's why social media is
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: not necessari earlier house we go in and do search
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: and rescue. You have to trust the process like we do.
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: We trust law enforcement is going to have this wrapped up,
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: probably very soon.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Brian. However, I want to make sure that you are
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: not encouraging citizen sleuths to stop looking, because I've had
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: many many cases where we put out the warning and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they actually spot a missing person. I mean, I only
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: have to point to Gabby Patito, whose remains were found
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in dispersed camping way out west by a citizen who
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: had heard about the case. So you know, yeah, sometimes
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: their information is wrong, But there is no way in
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: HGUBLEL that I would ask them to stop.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I know that's not where you're head at.
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: No, No, we don't want to miss stop. As a
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: matter of fact, it was two citizens sleuths that found
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: Riley Strings bank card up by the bank of the
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: Cumberland River in Nashville. So, as I said, they do
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: provide servios. My only thought suggestion was maybe not doing
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: live stream, maybe just video and then you can edit
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: and post later.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Just a suggestion.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, I don't want to see anything edited. I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: want to see the whole thing. No edits no airbrushing,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the real deal. But that's just me. I want to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: go back to Katie Proudfood. This is Sebastian's biological mother.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Missus Proudfoot. What questions were you asked during your polygraph?
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: I was asked if I knew where my son was.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: I was asked if I hurt him. I was asked
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: if I had hurt someone, among a few other questions.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: And mister Proudfoot, you have volunteered to take a polly, Yes, ma'am.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: If I were to set up a polly for you,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: would you take it?
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Name the place in time, ma'am, I'll be there.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And you're headed back to Memphis right now. Are you
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: in your RV? Right now?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I am in my RV. We are not disclosing our
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: current location just because of safety reasons due to the
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: YouTubers the facebookers out there that have sent some very heinous,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: threatening information and things of that nature threatened to be
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: outside of our house, all kinds of nasty things. So
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: we're not disclosing our location at this time unless you're
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: law enforcement or you need to.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Know, Miss Proudfoot, Is that one of the reasons you.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Left the home one of them?
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Question to you guys, when police came in and processed
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: your home, did they look with for instance of it all?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Did they check? What did they do when they searched
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: your home?
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: They thoroughly searched my home with many different things. They
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: removed some things for the dogs to hold the scent
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: and for Sebastian's DNA. I know that they used thermal
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: night vision, thank you. And I don't know exactly all
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: of the tools that they use, but I do know
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: that multiple different searches were done on my home by
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: many different people, detectives, sheriffs, and a few others.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't swear that the for rings that folks showed
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: up or not, because there was so many folks in
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and out of the house that it was just I'm
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: so and so a law enforce, and I'm so and
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: so law enforcement. Okay.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Every time they said we need to look, please do.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Does to have a hardwood floor or a carpeted.
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: Floor in his bedroom?
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Carpet?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Did they remove any carpeting?
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: No, ma'am.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Do you feel confident they searched his bathroom?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: They did?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: When you state that they removed items for the scent dogs,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: what did they take clothing?
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: A blanket that he used like every day, and a
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: few other items of his toiletries like his brush.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining US investigative journalist Lauren Agan, thank you
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: for being with us in earlier you were hearing sound
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: from w SMV four. I understanding you have another question.
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: Oh no, I mean, I guess I didn't quite get
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: the clarity I wanted in the sense that did the
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: Proud Foots know that this search was going on with
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: the Cajun Navy? Were they being pulled? Were you guys
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: being alerted about this? Did you hear from a YouTuber
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: that they found something that the cadaver dog or I'm
• 50:57
  Speaker 10: sorry the search dogs started jumping, or you know, were
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: you just kind of blind to all of us, just
• 51:03
  Speaker 10: you know, doing your search.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: No man so here to to set that record straight
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: and help the United Cajun Navy. So somebody's got a
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: picture out there saying that we are enjoying at dinner
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: when we're actually out there, got flyers at a dinner
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: table because we needed to eat. My wife was on
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: the phone with the Cajun Navy. That's how the Cajun
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Navy was brought in, and we talked to the president
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: of the United Cajun Navy. He put us in touch
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: with their team that was here locally in Nashville. Then
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: that young lady reached back out to us, gave us
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: some more information. We gave her some more details. Then
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: they said they would start a search, but we also
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: had them get in direct contact with the TBI agent
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: as well as sumber County's Sheriff's Department. We provided all
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: that information. They reached out to them, got some information.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: They pushed outside of the areas that had been searched already,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: conducted a search somehow or another, they linked up with
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: the biofather, who supposedly got a tip from somewhere. Whether
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: or not it was credible or not, we don't know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: but it led them to searching on federal property without permission,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: which is where we have been informed at some point
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: that there was allegedly a hit on something. It turned
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: out to be nothing, and they were asked to leave
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: the property immediately or the cops are going to be
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: called because it was trespassing based off of a tip
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: that the biofather received.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to Brian Trasher, a VP of kg Nagal, let's
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: clear it up.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: This is on federal property that had been closed off.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: It was a.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Hurricane site earlier. It was also yes, thank you, and
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it was also near railroad tracks and some homeless people
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: have been living there and apparently one of them had
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: died and we believe that is what the dogs were
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: hitting on.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: All the above is correct, and we did not gain
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: access to the property. It had already been open when
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: we got there. I'm not sure how entry was Gaen,
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: but yeah, all everything above you that you just said
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: was correct.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: The search for Sebastian goes on.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: If you have information, if you know or think you
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: know anything about this beautiful, young autistic boy, please called
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: TBI Tennessee Bureau of Investigation eight hundred t B I
• 53:38
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• 53:45
  Speaker 1: eight hundred TBI find that's eight hundred eight two four
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: three four six ' three. Please join us in the
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: search for Sebastian and lift up your prayers.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: This boy will be found.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Good Bye friend,