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Cardinals sign Ryne Stanek, Bregman to Cubs, upcoming CBA talk. Plus, some insight into the upcoming WBC! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside of reclining Lance, Lynn, Matt Holliday, Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Gibson also with us. Lance probably a little bit upset
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: because we started the podcast and it was a false
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: start because someone called and knocked me off the broadcast.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Hopefully everything is straightened out. Hello, gentlemen, how's everybody doing?
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  Speaker 2: Really good? Good Jim? Just so you know, Jim, we
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: just had our first taste of the intro of the
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: show without you, and it kind of was gold took
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: a shot Golden Globe black. He took a shot at
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: the lack of a Golden Globe nomination, and I think
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: we just figured out how we might be able to
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  Speaker 2: get one and listen, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Want to air our dirty laundry. I did say on
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: Twitter that we might have won the Golden Globe for
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: podcasting if Kyle was a little better, but we all
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: have to pick up our games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, about whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Do they announce a Golden Globe or stuff like this
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  Speaker 3: on the Golden Globes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they had a category for podcasting.
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  Speaker 4: Who won?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Some podcast I never heard of. It wasn't a j
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  Speaker 1: Prezenski for foul territory.
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  Speaker 4: See that's your bars, that's all of our boss.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We're on his We are on his platform is
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  Speaker 1: to get all right, so we better get to it
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  Speaker 1: or we're going to get mean emails from aj Prezenski.
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  Speaker 1: We do have a cardinal move to talk about. They
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: did sign veteran reliever Ryan Stanek to a one year
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  Speaker 1: deal three point five million with a club option. Saint
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  Speaker 1: Louis native born in Saint Louis. Last year rough one
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  Speaker 1: with the Mats. Gets lots of strikeouts ten point four
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  Speaker 1: per nine innings in his career and excellent postseason numbers.
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  Speaker 1: So when I look at that, he's a guy they
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  Speaker 1: could use in a bullpen now as a piece. He's
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  Speaker 1: also a guy that seems if you're not in contention,
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  Speaker 1: you probably could get something for flipping Matt. You weren't
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  Speaker 1: here last week. Just your thoughts on the Cardinals signing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is one of those deals where,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, you know, you take some of these
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  Speaker 3: these uh, these bullpen pieces, and they tend to go
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  Speaker 3: in cycles. Right, they have a good year and then
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they have a down year, and then they recent
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  Speaker 3: they rebound and have a really good year. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's a candidate for a rebound of a really good year.
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  Speaker 3: And like you're talking about, these are the kind of
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  Speaker 3: signings where, uh, if you're not competing and the deadline
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  Speaker 3: closes in, you can flip him for a minor league prospect,
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  Speaker 3: probably a minor league pitching prospect.
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  Speaker 4: And so these are these are these You.
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  Speaker 3: Know, three point five million is nothing on this payroll. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: So you get a guy that throws a hundred mile
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  Speaker 3: an hour that strikes people out that if he kind
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  Speaker 3: of gets his stuff back together and and uh and
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  Speaker 3: goes out and has a fairly dominating season. Uh, he's
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  Speaker 3: the kind of guy you trade at the deadline and
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  Speaker 3: and you continue to build your farm system and add
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  Speaker 3: ad pieces uh for the next few years. So I
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  Speaker 3: like these kind of signings. If you're not going for it,
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  Speaker 3: I like, I like, I like these type of signings.
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  Speaker 3: And these are these are these are another plus another
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  Speaker 3: way for player acquisition. You know, when you start talking
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  Speaker 3: about the draft, international signings, and then you you know,
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  Speaker 3: you start to sign one year free agent deals and
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  Speaker 3: then and you trade them for prospects. So I like it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that it's as necessarily a
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  Speaker 3: Neil mover as far as wins and losses with the
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  Speaker 3: Cardinals go, But I certainly think it could potentially end them,
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  Speaker 3: end up with them getting a piece that they can
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  Speaker 3: use moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Lamps, you were a guy that the Cardinals quietly
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  Speaker 1: reached out to about being a piece of the bullpen
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  Speaker 1: last year. This is part of the reset, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean you're looking at a guy that probably had
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  Speaker 5: a bad year because you know, the medsine and all
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  Speaker 5: honestly over used their bulk because they had you.
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  Speaker 4: But really, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Good lord.
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  Speaker 5: But I think he's I think he's a good piece,
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  Speaker 5: and I think a rebound year is good for a
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  Speaker 5: guy with his stuff and what he's done, and he's
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  Speaker 5: kind of found himself into these one year deals and
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  Speaker 5: getting traded to contenders at deadline, so he's got a
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  Speaker 5: place to pitch it and really help a young Wulfan.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a good fit all the
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  Speaker 4: way around.
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  Speaker 1: Then, Kyle, you always talk about the ability to flip
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  Speaker 1: a guy at the deadline. That's that's currency unto itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's one of those
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  Speaker 2: moves that if your team overperforms a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: puts you in a good spot around the deadline, then
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe he's somebody that's a reason why you
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  Speaker 2: guys are having a better year and you hold on
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  Speaker 2: to him, or you know, you spend the two thirds
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  Speaker 2: of the season on salary and essentially you know, buy
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  Speaker 2: your prospects, you know, by paying that part of the salary.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I am not a fan of the idea
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  Speaker 2: that you sign a guy to trade him. I'm assuming
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  Speaker 2: there is some value here that you know he can
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  Speaker 2: add to the bullpen as as a veteran and doing
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  Speaker 2: that and then you know, hopefully the young guys take
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  Speaker 2: the step and you're talking about keeping him, and you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about him adding to the leverage situation and the
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  Speaker 2: leverage innings for this team. I think we all know
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  Speaker 2: what a good bullpen can do for a team. And
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  Speaker 2: I think if you're gonna throw out some young starters
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  Speaker 2: and you're gonna have maybe a rotation that is not
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  Speaker 2: as experienced, then you know, having extra quality bullpen arms
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  Speaker 2: is a way that you're going to have to bolster that.
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  Speaker 1: So meantime, gentlemen, the Cubs, I seem to be bulking
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit right You look at the moves
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  Speaker 1: that they've already made it the they trade for Cabrera,
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: they signed Mayton, and they just signed Alex Bragman to
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  Speaker 1: a really big contract. The one thing that strikes me
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  Speaker 1: about this, outside of the Cubs obviously going all in Matt,
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  Speaker 1: is that, okay, so Bragman's off the board Cardinals sure
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  Speaker 1: like traydon with the with the Red Sox. Uh, does
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  Speaker 1: that open a path? Do you think that that's inevitable
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  Speaker 1: that there could be something there? You got Arnatto, you
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  Speaker 1: got Donovan. There have been rumors swirling before.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I look, I think it just as
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  Speaker 3: it depends on how young the Red Sox are ready
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  Speaker 3: to go. You know, I think they have you know,
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  Speaker 3: his name is slipping my mind right now.
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  Speaker 4: But they have.
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  Speaker 3: They have a young infielder, left hand hitter. Last year
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  Speaker 3: that came up. He's one of their top prospects in
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  Speaker 3: all of baseball. I think he got hurt and ended
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  Speaker 3: up missing maybe the last month or two.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: I can't think of his name, but anyway, I think
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  Speaker 3: he's a potential candidate to slide into third base. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: but I do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I mean, if the Red Sox are going for it,
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  Speaker 3: trying to win the World Series, they looking to replace
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  Speaker 3: a veteran, you know, if you've got Alex Bregman and
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  Speaker 3: you're looking to replace a fellow veteran third baseman. And
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  Speaker 3: and I think Nolan's out power production and I think
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  Speaker 3: his overall offensive production at Finway Park I think would
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  Speaker 3: go up. And I think that that's somewhere he wants
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  Speaker 3: to be, somewhere that that uh, he certainly would would
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  Speaker 3: approve a trade to. So uh, it certainly enhances I
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  Speaker 3: think the the idea that he could end up in
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  Speaker 3: in in Boston with Alex sonning in Chicago. Uh. So
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  Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see what happens. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think you look at the Cubs, they seem to
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  Speaker 3: be trending back towards you know, the Cubs that we
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  Speaker 3: remember when we were playing when when when they're going
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  Speaker 3: for it, and and they're they're back, uh, looking to
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  Speaker 3: to take that next step and and try to win
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  Speaker 3: the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: So he's uh.
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  Speaker 2: I just actually was.
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  Speaker 3: Just around him for four or five days in Arizona,
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  Speaker 3: and he's he's uh, you know, Bregman is a full
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  Speaker 3: of energy, great with the young players, really good in
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  Speaker 3: the clubhouse. Uh So it's gonna be a great, great
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  Speaker 3: ad for the Cubs. And and you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: it looks to me like they are heading heading towards
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  Speaker 3: trying to to really try to go for it again.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what the Cubs are doing. Lance In terms
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  Speaker 1: of what the Cardinals are doing, uh right, we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. They are certainly looking toward the future
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  Speaker 1: with the moves they made because they even increased their
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  Speaker 1: their rating, and in terms of the minor leaguers with
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  Speaker 1: the guys they've added with young talent. But that's a
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  Speaker 1: far different path than the Cubs are taken.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the Cubs were there a couple of
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  Speaker 5: years ago though, so you're in the same boat. Divisions
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  Speaker 5: go in waves of things like that. The Cardinals will
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  Speaker 5: put themselves in a good spot in the minor leagues
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  Speaker 5: to see what they have, what positions they need to fill,
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  Speaker 5: you know, kind of what you're you know, your your
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  Speaker 5: two to three year window looks like now what you
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  Speaker 5: have coming. But when it comes to that too, you
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  Speaker 5: got to figure out who on the market could help
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  Speaker 5: that window, uh kind of help when those guys show
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  Speaker 5: up that they have people that can help them, help
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  Speaker 5: win games and also help develop at the big league level.
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  Speaker 5: So I think they're in a in a kind of
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  Speaker 5: a weird spot right now where you have a lot
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  Speaker 5: of young guys that with not a lot of veteran guys.
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  Speaker 5: Especially if you lose Aeronauto at the trade deadline or
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  Speaker 5: if you trade him this winter and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 5: you're looking at a whole lineup of young.
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  Speaker 4: People that are not established.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, what can you find to help supplement
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  Speaker 5: the every day in and out of being a big leader,
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  Speaker 5: but also guys that can put up production that can
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  Speaker 5: also help put those guys in spots to succeeds. So
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of different ways you can still put
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  Speaker 5: a product that can win on the field and still
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  Speaker 5: be rebuilding the retooling or whatever they're doing, because they
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: do have the money. It's not like they're short on money.
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  Speaker 5: I think their payroll is going to be somewhere in
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  Speaker 5: the one hundred to one twenty range, especially if they
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  Speaker 5: get rid of Aeronauto and you're looking at, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a spot where you can add big league pieces to
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  Speaker 5: what do you have a young core of position players
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  Speaker 5: to do these things to where you can where you
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: can make people. I mean, Milwaukee's done it every year technically,
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  Speaker 5: so things like that are very doable. So we'll see,
• 10:48
  Speaker 5: you know, what route they take, why they're developing these
• 10:51
  Speaker 5: guys that are that they're acquiring in trades.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle, do you see that Bregman going to the Cubs
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  Speaker 1: does open up up the possibility of a path for
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: a deal with the Cardinals? Do you think that that
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: is a good possibility of happening.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's two parts of this that are really
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  Speaker 2: interesting to meet. One had a really fun interaction this
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: morning with a fan on on social media that you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just made the comment last week about Aeronauta being
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: an asset, and we just kind of talked a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about his game. And I think it's really interesting
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  Speaker 2: that Cardinals fans somewhat see him as a fading non
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: average or above average big leaguer and a team that
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: is going for it is going to add him to
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: be the third basement. I just want to let that
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  Speaker 2: sink in a little bit. I think that's a point
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  Speaker 2: that shouldn't be overlooked. So who knows if he's going
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  Speaker 2: to get trade or ware. But the Boston Red Sox
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: going for the World Series could be a suitor and
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: they want no one Aeronauta at third base, So he's
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  Speaker 2: an important player for whoever he's going to play for.
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  Speaker 2: I think the other interesting thing going to the Cubs
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  Speaker 2: is that the Milwaukee Brewers have kind of had the
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: effect on the NL Central in my mind that the
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays have had on the NL on the
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  Speaker 2: Al East.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the Tampa bay Rays maybe not as much the
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  Speaker 2: last two years, but they really forced the Yankees and
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays to spend more money to be able
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: to beat them and to feel like they could keep
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  Speaker 2: up with them and you know, overtake them in October
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: and or September to win the division. And now you
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: see teams like Chicago trading for starting pitching, signing extra players,
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: and bolstering a team that already has a high payroll,
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  Speaker 2: making sure they feel like they have zero holes in
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  Speaker 2: that roster because I'm guessing in their mind, that's what
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  Speaker 2: they think they need in order to win this division.
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  Speaker 2: It's just really interesting that a team like the Brewers
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  Speaker 2: and how they've structured that team with a lower pay roll.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Pat Murphy doing a great job up there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting those guys to play together and have
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  Speaker 2: the right complimentary pieces. I think it's interesting how those
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  Speaker 2: kind of teams have an effect on divisions in the
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  Speaker 2: division races.
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  Speaker 1: And while the Brewers are not doing too much, I
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  Speaker 1: mean they've been kind of quiet compared to the Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to go about it in the Brewer fashion.
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  Speaker 1: There is sort of the elephant in the room as
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: teams try to figure out how much money they have
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  Speaker 1: to make the moves, and that's the broadcast rights, which
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: will impact me one way or the other, hopefully for
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  Speaker 1: the better. But Matt, if you're a general manager and
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: you don't know if you're going to get this much
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  Speaker 1: money from a fan duel or an unknown amount from MLB,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: because MLB is gonna end up taking over the broadcast
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  Speaker 1: rights of some of these teams. And MLB's practice is
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: we'll get all the advertising together and we'll figure out
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  Speaker 1: what your cut is. So there's nothing definitive about here's
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  Speaker 1: the set amounts you're gonna get. You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: just roll with it. Don't you think that's going to
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  Speaker 1: impact some teams.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think it impacts the teams where Look, there's
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  Speaker 3: there's owners out there that this does not impact, right,
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  Speaker 3: they don't care.
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  Speaker 4: They have money.
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  Speaker 3: They look at this like they want to win at
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  Speaker 3: all costs if they're even if they have to take
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a loss annually, so to speak,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: if you're if you're losing money this year. I think
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: there's there's tons of well not tons of but I
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  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of owners that that see the
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  Speaker 3: bigger picture, and a lot of them that have owned
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: their teams for a while. I think they can look
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: at the value of when they bought the team or
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: how much they have invested it in the team ownership,
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: and then what they could sell it for if they
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: put it on the market today, and how much these
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: organizations and these sports teams are selling for and and so, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she might be in the red this year, but if
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: you look at the big picture, your investment is probably
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: ten x your investment probably more depending on.
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  Speaker 4: How long you've owned these teams.
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  Speaker 3: So I always think about it like that, like how
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: competitive are you as an owner? Are you willing to
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: lose a little bit now based on the fact that
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: you're not sure about your TV contract uh and how
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: much exact money you're gonna have You're gonna have revenue
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: sharing for a lot of these teams. So I think
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: there's several several ways to look at this. I do
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  Speaker 3: think the the impending ending of the the collective barting agreement, UH,
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  Speaker 3: the potential of a workstoppage, the the TV contracts, I
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: think this does muddle the waters for a lot of owners.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: And what they're there certainty is on their cost and
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: how much they're willing to spend in free agency and
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: how much they're willing to to to gamble on on
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: on certain things. But I I just still go back
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  Speaker 3: to the fact that there's there's there's competitive owners that
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: want to win the World Series, and they have they
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  Speaker 3: have the money, they have the I think they they
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  Speaker 3: look at it like more of a long term investment
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: to where it these values of these organize, these sports
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  Speaker 3: organizations continue to just go up more and more to
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  Speaker 3: where you see even small market teams selling for in
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  Speaker 3: the billions and and most of these owners probably bought
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: in in the hundreds of millions. And so I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a like a you know, obviously, I think everyone knows
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  Speaker 3: I just have a high school education.
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  Speaker 4: But I I look.
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  Speaker 3: At like, you know, I'm guessing that these owners can
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: can figure out that if they ever needed to sell
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the organization, Uh, they would do pretty handsomely on the
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: on the trade for what what they paid for it.
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  Speaker 1: Because no Major League Baseball team, probably no NFL team
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: or NBA team either has lost value. It's never happened.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: The value always goes up and up and up. If
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you were an owner, Lancelin, would that impact the way
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: you would handle the off season.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Your TV rights are?
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: You're kind of like, hey, I think that a lot
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: of markets look at them that's kind of my bottom
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  Speaker 5: line of hey, here's my yearly spending and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: But for me, when you're looking at a market like
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: the Cardinals, they're always been tied to their ticket sales.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like, and right now it's like ticket sales
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: are not where they are because you're not showing me
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: that you're going for anything. So until they get ticket
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: sales back up, they're going to be in this boat.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: And the only way to get ticket sales back up
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: is to show your show you're going for it, or
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: you're showing that you're you know, you're trying to improve
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: your big league roster somewhere or some you know, somehow,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: So you know, TV rights are what they are. I
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: think we know what's coming in the sense of there's
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: some things brewing of TV rights coming and you're seeing
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: them kind of all. I think everything's based on the
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: next CBA, And I don't think Manford wants to put
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: anything on the books until the new CBA is in
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: because then the players can't ask for it when they're
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: trying to do what they're trying to do. So this
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: whole holding pattern is based on them holding their cards
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: as tight as they can until the new CBA gets in,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: and then we're gonna have all new inflex of TV
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: deals because we've already seen the writing on the wall.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: This is happening. So and the owners know this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: So every owner that's not spending any money right now
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: knows what's coming and they know when they're gonna spend it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: And so some.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: People will call that collusion or you know, but you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: some people might not. You know, especially if you're on
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: a team, you're not gonna call that collusion. You're just like,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: it's just a business. But that's where we're at right
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: now teams that are there's certain teams that are going
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: for it because they don't care, and there's certain teams
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: are like, all right, well I'm gonna wait to the
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: new TV money comes in. So I'm always even and
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: rich people aren't rich because they give it away either.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I'm just throwing that out there.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I would say we all agree that the most important
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: thing with a television contract is that you have consistent,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: high level sideline reporting. But aside from that, Kyle, just
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: your sense of where this is because it's like uncharted territory,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: not only for the sports industry, for the teams involved with,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you know, getting their games televised. We haven't seen anything
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like the uncertainty we're seeing right now with a lot
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of teams.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Lance brings up a really
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: interesting point. You know, we hear for the last two
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: years how the game is just getting stronger and stronger
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and there's never been more fans in the seats, which
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: is true, there's never been more fans watching on TV
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: eyes with the WBC, Baseball in and of itself is
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: in a very healthy state. So it's quite interesting that
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: we can't find TV networks that will pay to show
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: certain teams games. I'm not a conspiracy theorist per se,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: but I do remember what happened around in the last
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: CBA when the song and dance was, Man, we're losing money.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Baseball's really on the downward. We're going to have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: make some adjustments here. Players are going to have to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: have their part in this. And then before you know what,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: baseball took off on a four year trajectory here over
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the last four seasons that has just grown exponentially. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I think this is part of what this setup is
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: going to be. I've heard the story in the locker
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: room when Rob Manford goes into the locker room next
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: year and then starts talking about how MLB has had
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to absorb these TV deals and MLB has had to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: take over them, and it's really going to put a
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: strain on it. Sorry, that's no, that's not it. They
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: announced Apple deals and what Peacock deals or whatever it
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: was two months after the CBA in twenty twenty two
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: or twenty two three or whatever, what's twenty two two,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Like that's in the works. Just like Lance said, these
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: networks will take over these deals as soon as they
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: know Baseball is being played. If anything, I think this
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: tells the players, this is how important this is to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the owners. If they're going to have this song and dance,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: they need baseball to get TV contracts, So hold them
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to playing baseball. But I also agree with these two
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: guys where I would love to see a team that's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: had negative cash flow over the last five years, show
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: me that team, because the graphics that I've seen is
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: most of these teams are in the hundreds of millions
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of dollars in revenue, whether they have a high pay
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: roll or not. The TV and the fans that do
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: show up bring in hundreds of millions of dollars to
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: these teams, and I think you just see the difference
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: in the teams that want to put it back on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the field versus the teams that don't. And the ones
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that put it back on the field are normally the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: ones that win.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: The Commissioner, in a recent interview, also floated some ideas
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: about how to spruce up the game of baseball. We'll
• 22:06
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• 22:08
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• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So the commissioner was on a network and he was
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: being interviewed, and one of the things he floated, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: just want to get your reaction to it that they
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: were toying with the idea nothing final, with the idea
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of baseball having an in season tournament. Now, I was
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a baseball purist. I didn't want the DH in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: National League. I didn't like the playoff format. Change it
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: turns out I like those things, so maybe change can
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: be good. But I'll go with you, Matt. Just give
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: me your thoughts on baseball and in order to spark
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: more interest in in season tournament.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think as an NBA fan, I found
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: it somewhat interesting. I don't I don't think it's like
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: a deal breaker. I don't think it's a it's it's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: something that's Uh. The NBA has gained a ton of
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: notoriety or added extra fans because of the in game tournament.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that the players, uh, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: they get a bonus if they win. I think that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't I don't know what the
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: format will look like. I'd be interested to see how.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: They do it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: In in like kind of the way the NBA did it,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: like as far as our scheduling is a lot different
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: because we have more games and serieses and where this
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: would all be how they would do it. But I'm
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: always interested in new ideas that make regular season games
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: feel more h important, or there's more on the line,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: or there's bonuses for young players. You know, young players
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: get a chance to make an extra million dollars and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: if they win the end season tournament or you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: whatever the bonus ends up being. But I'm all ears
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: for stuff that might improve the game watch or make
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: games in the middle of the season maybe more fun
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to watch, or bring in maybe some casual fans that
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: otherwise don't watch July games or June games, and now
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know that their team has
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: a chance to win sort of a consolation championship or whatever.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I don't even know, you know, a mid season tournament championship.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I don't hate it, so I'd be interested to hear
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: in some of the logistics of it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: All Right, I watched the Knicks beat the Spurs for
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the NBA Emirates Cup. It wasn't even a game that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: counted regular season standings as a fan. I was just
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: watching it as a game because I like to watch
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the next lance would that scenario you think play in MLB?
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: It's it's gonna be hard because you gotta do series,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: I think for baseball to feel like you're doing that,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: So a lot of stuff's gotta change. You know, you
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: gotta add to two more teams, so there's sixteen on
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: each side, and then you do three game series kind
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: of heading on into the All Star break. Maybe you
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: think the All Star break a little longer for certain things.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: So I think and the idea of bringing some sort
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: of sense of different types of games that matter would
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: be cool. But the logistics of baseball, with baseball needing
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: to be a three game series for you to win
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: that series and move on instead of a one game off.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe you do make it a one game
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: off and you just have a.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Bracket on each side of one games, but like the
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: travel and our season would be outrageous for that, So
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I don't see how I don't see how it's doable,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: to be honest with you, in baseball with the way
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: that you'd have to travel unless you send every team
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: on East and West to a one site and have
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: a one game off until who it's ever's left plays
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: the other side. Maybe that's the only way to do
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: it with because of travel, I don't know. I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: with what the travel guys and people have to deal
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: with throughout the year. To throw that in especially, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: you have to play every day and stuff like that,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: it's it's gonna be tough to make something like that work.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: How about Tuca.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: On the plants there and Matt. I think it'd be
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: interesting and be you know, kind of cool, But I
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: just don't know how it works. I mean, you need
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you need time to make that happen. I don't think
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it is really right to just work it into the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: regular season because, in my mind, the most important position
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: on the field only plays one out of five days.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And I think it becomes a big advantage if the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Pirates get to play their tournament day when Paul Skeins pitches,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: versus the Cardinals playing their tournament game with Kyle Gibson pitches.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's it's just a different type
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: of a deal. So I think we have our tournament,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and I think baseball being the worldly game, I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you move the WBC to the middle of the season,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and how long how much of spring training does it
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: take to play the WBC. You know, I think you
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: move it to the middle of the season, and you
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: make All Star Break a week long whatever it needs
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: to be, and you play in the middle of the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: season when all the players are ready, they're possibly with
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: their peak physical shape. Nobody's starting in January to be
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: built up. Starters aren't going three innings in a WBC game,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: And you make the focus on the WBC. You want
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to grow that, you want that to be the big deal.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Put that in the middle of the season and let
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the people go play, and then you don't have this
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: weird time where maybe if you're not in that end
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: season tournament, you're not playing because you can't just take
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: two weeks off right of baseball. It's just it's not
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: how it works. So, you know, that's probably what I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: would do.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Before we go, Matt, you're a coach on Team USA.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious that this point in the in the year,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: how much time does that take up as you guys
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: prep for that. How busy are you with with you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: helping that come together?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, in my position, Uh, not much. I
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: mean it's a it's a zoom call once a week maybe.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: There.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: You know, obviously a lot of it comes down to
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: the Michael Hill, the general manager in d Row, finding
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the players they're capable of, willing, uh teams allowing. Putting
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: together the roster has been the main, you know, the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: main thing. So I think as we get closer, there's
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: there's maybe some more stuff involved, but I don't have
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: any say on on who plays or you know, that's
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: it's it's this is you know, at least in my opinion,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: this is more of a Michael Hill and d Row
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: doing a lot of the leg work on getting the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: roster together. And then once you finalize the roster, you
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: start to put together roles, you start to plan out pitching.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of these pitchers, like Schooble, they
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: have strict guidelines on what they're willing to do and
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: what they're agents and coaches and you know what game
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: they're willing to pitch. And you know Skens has his
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: routine and what he wants and what games. So they
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: start trying to line up who pitches where, and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: talking about keeping an extra pitcher that that maybe is
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: even retired that may not pitch at all, but you
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: got to have him just in case. You know, you
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: have two guys that have bad outings. So there's it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: more logistical talk about the roster right now than it
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: is anything else. So I think once they finalize the
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: roster and hammer that out, I think it'll be interesting
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to see where it turns to from there. But most
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: of the has been very light for me, just listening
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: in on guys that they're considering for the roster.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And it's been light for me this show because I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just fire some questions and then listen to you guys,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and you are all delightful and informative, and I appreciate it,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: We'll see on the next episode, and hopefully that one
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: won't suck.