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Trade Deadline REACTION · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Take
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presented by Chinook Cedry. This is episode 556.
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I'll be your host, Kyle Corwin. I'm here with my Co host on
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trade deadline day. Nate Good Lord, man, just trying
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to keep up. I mean, there's, there are fake.
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The fake ones are I? Bro, I just saw MLB on Fox just
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tweeted out Joe Ryan has been traded to the Red Sox.
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Seconds later, it gets pulled. What are we doing, man?
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This trade devil, Hey, you know, props of props of baseball,
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props of Major League Baseball. It's been a heck of a trade
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deadline. I'll give them that.
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But like, at this very moment, we're in crunch time and I'm
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getting I'm getting reports pulled out from underneath me.
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This is crazy. You sure it wasn't MLB on fax?
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No bro, I checked when I see MLB, yes when I see an MLB on
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Fox tweet, I triple checked to make sure it's not MLB on fax.
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This was MLB on FOX. Seconds later it got pulled.
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Unbelievable. But holy cow what a deadline.
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Man. We have so much to talk about
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and, and quite, quite honestly, not enough time.
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We, like I said before we hopped on, we're just flying by the
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seat of our pants right now. So we, there's really no
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direction here. We can just get right into it.
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Let me start by asking you because I know you've been I I
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got to tip my cap to you, my friend.
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You've been dialed in today. I've I feel like I've done well.
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Yeah, I've been very impressed. So let me start.
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Let me start by asking you what has really moved the needle most
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for you today or I mean we can call it the last couple days,
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but like I mean we'll get into some of the, the more we'll call
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it outdated moves from the last few days, hopefully later.
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But in terms of today, we'll just say today what has really
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moved the needle for you? I'd say 2, like I, I feel like
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there's two that are really high for me.
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And to be honest, like it could be this could be outdated in 5
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minutes, I don't know. But the, the one late last
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night, Geno Suarez to the Mariners was like, look, let's,
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let's face it, like I, I understand there's been a flurry
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of deals today, specifically in the last few hours, but like we
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can't just overlook that Geno Suarez was the the number one
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power bat on the market. And for for what seems to be
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like this weird stretch over the last few years of the Mariners
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just not really getting their pitching staff is the offensive
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support that they need. There's glaring holes in their
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lineup. They they've done really, really
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well. I love that they went and got
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Josh Naylor earlier in the deadline.
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And then now it's like you got to you got to give them some
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credit for going and getting their guy.
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And I don't know, maybe there's something about the, you know,
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sneaking it in on the West Coast late last night because I think
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it was like after midnight last night, Eastern Time, right?
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So I like that. So you're taking, you're taking
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my question very literally then like?
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To that dude, I think that's like, I guess that's true.
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That's true. Yeah, I I would say that.
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And then honestly, the, the Mason Miller deal, I just
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didn't, I, I, I heard that name a few times.
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And I wonder if the if the A's were just like, you know what,
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hearing what these teams are getting for relievers, we got to
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hop in the mix here and. They did.
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They did. They said here we go, let's get
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in. And I'm sure they're not done
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because Severino's got to go right?
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And I don't know, minutes. We could go anywhere, we could
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go any direction with this. But those are probably my 2, my
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two favorite deals specifically for what they mean to those
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contenders. Because the Padres now like that
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bullpen is no. Joke dude, so many, so many
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bullpens were upgraded to this deadline and to the point where
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multiple, multiple bullpens became instant threats come post
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season time almost overnight. Like you, you had some bullpens
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that were doing all right, but really upgraded like really, you
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know, bolstered it. And then you had some that were
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just like, yeah, this is a massive need for us.
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We need to, we need to make some, some moves here.
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And they did. And some of these bullpens or
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are going to give nightmares come October.
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I mean, what, what do you want to do?
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How do you, I know we're we didn't really discuss structure
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with this. It's probably going to be
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interrupted by reports in the middle.
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But like, do you want to kind of run through and just like grade
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some of these moves and just give it like a quick reaction
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letter grade? Yeah, I mean, we can do that.
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Let's let's, I'm following trade trackers as they're updated
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because like we said, I mean, stuff's happening.
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We, we, we timed it so that we could get the last trickling
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trades in and then, you know, maybe on the, on the other side
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of the deadline for half hour or so, get some, some moves.
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That it's always that 1015 minutes after that.
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Get reported after the fact, yeah.
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So yeah, let's, I'm, I'm just looking at the the trade track
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here. I mean, you mentioned the Mason
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Miller deal. Padres acquire Mason, Mason
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Miller and JP Sears from the A's.
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How do we how do we feel about the Padres once again showing
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that they're willing to do whatever it takes and to offload
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whatever it takes to make the moves that they feel, maybe not
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the rest of baseball, but the make the moves that they feel
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improve their chances of winning the World Series?
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I like it a lot, man. I really do.
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And I kind of heard the take, I don't remember from who on on
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MLB Network when I was watching it earlier is like I, I think
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because we all kind of give AJ Perler crap for like just saying
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screw it, like I'm going to move any and all prospects every
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year. But I think you could also look
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at it in a way and what this guy was mentioning is like there is
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a confidence in their development.
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There's a confidence in their scouting, like they're able to
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go and find these guys, you know what I mean?
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Like they're they're finding CJ Abrams, they're finding James
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Wood, they're finding Mackenzie Gore.
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They're like they're confident in saying, you know what, Like I
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understand we're giving up big prospects, but we can go find
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it. And let's face it, when you're
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committed to a Manny Machado, when you're committed to a
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Xander Bogarts, the way that you are, financially speaking, your
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window is now. It can't just be, I'm going to
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sit back on my hands and hope that the roster I configured at
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the beginning of the year does what it needs to do.
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So I got to give him credit for it.
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And it's just like I, I don't know why we're shocked every
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year. I think I was just more shocked
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at the fact that, like Mason Miller, I didn't think was
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necessarily available because he was a hard no last.
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Year, yeah, I think it's, I think, well, yeah, I think with
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the Padres being as aggressive as they were, you know,
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including Devries in that it sounded.
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For no, it's a win, win. Everything I hear Devries was
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gone regardless. He was either going to be, you
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know, pushed the envelope was going to be pushed and
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potentially move for Duran. A guy to the Padres were very
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much after and we're probably willing to to offer whatever
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they needed to to get a guy with control in Duran.
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But you know, they they they ship him out for Mason Miller.
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So one way or another, I think Devreeze was gone.
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So I mean that I think that's the take away obviously that
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that return. Yeah, I'm just getting into like
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what that or the, excuse me, that bullpen looks like.
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I mean, Mason Miller, Estrada Suarez, like there's pieces back
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there that are going to be they're going to be a problem
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real quick and we can move on from the Padres.
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At least there's only, you know, 15 ish minutes left is do you
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think Cease gets gets dealt because the Red Sox said no to a
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Cease deal that is rumored to have had to try and get Duran
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over to San Diego. Yeah, yeah.
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The last I saw was that the Astros were looking to close a
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deal on I. Saw that too.
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That was a while ago. It was like an hour ago when I
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saw that rumor. I.
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I unless somebody pivots or panics in the next 15 minutes at
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I feel like if Cecil was going to go, he would have already
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gone. Yeah, I I, I maybe, maybe not.
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I, I don't know. But I, you know, you mentioned
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the Astros. The Astros, in the meantime,
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went out and got their former shortstop, Carlos Correa.
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Nate, I know, I know you're going to hate this.
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I know you're going to hate this, but that Loki and people
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may disagree. This is actually one of my
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favorite deals at the deadline. Not going to say my favorite,
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but oh boy. I mean, come on now.
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I'm come on now. The Stroh's again, we talked to
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I mean, let's let's look at let's look at what we're dealing
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with right now in the American League West.
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They're currently up five games. As we mentioned, the Mariners
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let the West slip away weeks ago.
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The Astros have have sort of held pat.
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And I feel like something that maybe they were missing was a
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little bit of that edge that they once had.
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And I feel like going to get the guy that was the singular source
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of that edge only improves their chances of doing what they're
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hoping to accomplish this year. And that's that's huge.
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That's huge. And people can point it how how
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he performed in Minnesota, but something has to be said about a
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guy like that going back home. I mean, come on.
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Fully agree. This gives me if we weren't in
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the in the age of like immediate updates and like getting
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everything we need right to our phone or, you know, having
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access the way we do. Like it kind of brings me back
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to like when Rodger Clemens was in the booth saying and then
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there's like a new an announcement on the scoreboard
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in Yankee Stadium saying he's and he goes on the mic and he's
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like, I'm coming back. It kind of feels like like it's
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like when it's all said and done, I could honestly look that
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Carlos, Carlos Correa's career and just be like, that was just
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a blip in the radar when you were in Minnesota.
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You're going to go in the Hall. If you get in the Hall, you're
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going to be wearing an Astros hat.
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Do you know what I mean? It's the very least Astros, the
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Astros Hall of Fame, like, yeah, you're good.
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You're going to be there. You're going to be 100%.
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They're going to send out an invite the first, second.
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That's that's an option. 100% So by the way, we forgot to grade
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the Mason Miller trade. I'm going to go B plus on that.
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Well, I think if if what I was saying earlier was in fact the
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case about Devreeze being gone regardless, like it sounds like
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they were just kind of like, you know, you get money burning a
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hole in your pocket. Sounds like Devreeze was just
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burning a hole in their pocket. And they're like, we got to give
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this guy to somebody. And that's what the Padres do.
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So if if they're, you know, fire from the hip mentality, it's
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kind. Of like what, four years left of
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control? Devreeze No.
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No, no. Mason Miller.
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Oh, Mason Miller. I was like, what are we talking
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about? Four.
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Plus I think it's 4 after this year.
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Let's see, he's not a free agent until 2030.
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Five years of control, guy. That's pretty good.
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So well, four and four and change 4 plus.
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Yeah, 4 plus. Yeah, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go
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B plus. I mean, again, the breeze is the
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the sticking point here for a lot of people.
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But yeah, now, now is your time. Like you, you got to, you got to
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go. I'll go Correa.
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I'm going to give ABI like the move.
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I think there's some edge there. I'm just curious of like Red Sox
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are getting dust in May from the Dodgers.
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Wow, Stuff is just OK B on Carlos Correa.
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I think there's vibes that are involved, but like overall, what
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kind of performance are we going to get?
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And the Astros still need to go get a starter.
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Like they need starting pitching depth.
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So this can't be the number one move for the Astros, OK?
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So many moves man, I love this. Live reaction Dustin made of the
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Red Sox Go. If you would have asked me this
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before this year, I would have been so amped.
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A little bit of a pedestrian year, I believe this year, but
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you know, rotation depth got like guys that have, you know,
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shown you at at various times and maybe for decimae infrequent
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times what they're capable of doing.
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I think I think decimae will will fit in well.
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I would like one more sort of front end arm to supplement
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that. And then I think I think that
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would be quite, quite the the deadline for the the Sox.
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But Padres getting Nestor Cortez from the Brewers, Sandia Contra
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staying in Miami. Whack dude.
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A lot of a lot of LS, a lot of LS around base part now like.
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We'll get into some LS because we we need to pass out some LS
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if, if there's nothing coming in the next 9 minutes for teams,
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all right? We mentioned, we mentioned
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Suarez. I mean, that's.
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Bailey Falter to the Royals there.
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There's going to be so many deals we can't we won't be able
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to get. To just because of our.
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Our time crunch that we're on, but Philly's acquiring Duron as
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their new closer. I'm a little jealous, to be
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honest. I'm going to say I'm going to
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say a minus because of the need that the Phillies had.
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This was the need. They kind of took a took a half
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court shot and Jordan Romano in the offseason and it missed and
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that's OK. Like that was a that was a buy
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low, you know, low risk, high reward scenario.
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And it's just it didn't work out.
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But shout out this prediction, by the way, because I was on
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Beyond the Bank podcast last week.
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Then I I said Duran. I actually said Duran and Bader.
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I don't know if it was on the recording, but when we finished
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because it cut off, I was talking to them.
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I was like, Yo, I've I'm hearing Bader to the Phillies would be
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kind of a vibe. Like that's a good vibe.
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Guy doesn't have to play every day but like has good.
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Hold on, you're saying, you're saying Duran was your
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prediction? And well, when I hold on, when I
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said Bader, they were like and I was like, what if Duran is in
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that? What if Johan Duran is in
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involved with that same move? And they were like, well, yeah,
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let's go with that then. So but the Phillies end up
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getting both. So check and check off the
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record. You can text Henry.
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You can double check on that. Yeah, I know that's that would
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be ideal. Like, like I said, I was Jelly.
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I'm going to need you to stop stealing my grades because
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that's probably what I would give.
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That was yeah, that was one of the the rather clear needs
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across all of baseball was to feel it again, going back to the
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the bro, I'm blank. What's his name?
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Alvarez. No, not Alvarez.
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What's up man? The.
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Closer that got busted. Oh, Alvarado.
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Alvarado, Yeah. Why is Alvarez, especially with
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him being out, you, you absolutely need to fill that
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void again for a Phillies team that you can, dare I say, lock
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into the postseason knowing that you're not going to be able to
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use him during that stretch. You need a closer.
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You go out and get one of the best, one of the best available
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that were on the market with control, with control.
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Let's go. Speaking of closers, let's let's
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look at the Yankees move. I'm just again, I'm sort of
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running down the trade tracker list here.
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Yankees acquired David Bednar. Yeah, man.
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I mean quick thoughts, Obviously I can ramble for a while.
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They I didn't feel like they needed a closer necessarily.
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There are other pieces that they got in the bullpen that we can
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talk about, but when you look at it like Luke Weaver and Devin
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Williams are set to be free agents at the end of the year.
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So I think it gives them a little bit of flexibility and
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leverage come this offseason because David Bednar has
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control. And, you know, in reality, of
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those three guys, who has the most closing experience?
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It's it's David Bednar. You know, I know he had kind of
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a rough year last year, but he's just coming off like a really
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long scoreless streak. He looks like he's kind of come
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back. I think there were rumors of him
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tipping pitches for a bit. Seems like he's out of that
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funk. I think it was a good get.
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I I would say I just there's there's three potential closers
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in that bullpen that I don't have like complete confidence
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in. I don't really know Bednar
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enough but I just based on what I've seen over the last year and
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a half I'm like it comes and goes so I'll go B plus because
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it was an obvious need. Their bullpen has been in
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shambles for like 6 weeks now so good job.
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I'd give it ABI like I like the move.
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Caballero going to the Yankees, All he's going to do is walk
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across to the other dog out crazy.
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I'll give it ABI like the move, especially since we're with as
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well as Bednar has seemingly turned it around.
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However, I just feel like you're in this.
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You're in this weird position right now where you've just got
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a little like would you say too many high leverage arms in the
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back end out? Not that like you, not that you
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can have too many, but it's. You're going to I feel like if
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if, if other guys in the back end turn it around, you're going
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to have a log jam. And we've seen that play out
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with other teams across the league where it's like, OK, we,
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we don't have like a guy that we can really you.
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Know we do and say. That's our guy A.
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Lot like who was it was Liam Hendricks and and Kim.
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Craig Kimbrough in the white in the white box.
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Where there was like, who's the guy, right?
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We don't know which one's who. I think with that Weaver is very
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open and flexible to doing whatever.
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And he's he's been that fireman guy of like if it's the 6th, if
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it's the 7th, if it's the 8th, whatever.
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Devin Williams just doesn't. He has not He's got an ERA over
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5 this year, bro. Like that's that's just not
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going to get it done. And you got to remember he was
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the setup guy when hater was in town in Milwaukee.
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So I just, it makes me feel like that should be the setup.
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I'm curious to see how it goes. It could be just kind of closing
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by committee until someone really just dominates Rangers.
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Acquire Meryl Kelly from the D backs.
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Today it was reported that the Red Sox, I think we're we're in
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on him. I think that's who did we both
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have Kelly going to the Sox. I feel like, I feel like I, I
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know I did. I can't remember if you did or
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not. I feel like I did too.
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Not to be, though. Merrill Kelly to the Rangers.
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I'm I'm very excited to see how this American League West pans
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out over the next two months. As am I, because the Rangers
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been hot lately, I think when we were doing the predictions a few
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weeks ago. Since then, the Rangers have
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have picked it up. They're 7-7 and three in their
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last ten, currently five games back, five games over 500.
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They're tied with Seattle for second place in the division,
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and they currently are tied with the Seattle Mariners for the
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last spot in the wild card. I did not see them as buyers,
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but I kind of like it. This rotation's going to be
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sick, dude. Degrom, a healthy degrom that's
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been pitching very well, Nathan Giovaldi, who's also been
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pitching well, Meryl Kelly, Tyler Mailee.
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And then to round out the back end, you could you could take
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your pick of Patrick Corbin who? Who has been good?
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Has been having a good year or Jack Wyder who at any moment in
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time if I could give you a a a spark.
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Yeah, absolutely fantastic. Good on the Rangers.
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I would give that and also. Kumar Rocker if if if you just
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want to lump him into that. I'd give it AB.
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I'm going to, I'm going to go B plus.
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Fair. I was in between it.
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Another another American League arm, Shane Bieber to the Blue
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Jays. For not that much either.
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I'm. Not going to lie, I, I didn't
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see this until 4 hours later because I, I was caught up with
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work today and then I see the Blue Jays tweeting about Shane
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Bieber and I'm like, I heard nothing of this today.
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And I go and check four hours ago from when I when I saw that
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he had been acquired by the Blue Jays.
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Yeah, not very much for a Blue Jays team that currently sits
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four games atop or sits atop the American League games by four
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games. This is and not to mention Max
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Scherzer sort of showing signs of life the last few starts.
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I believe so. What do you think?
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I was trying to read up on Bieber of like when he's set to
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come back. Wow, the Yankees just got Camilo
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Duvall. Wow.
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See, this is what I'm saying. I mean, wow.
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How many back? Yeah, Yeah, OK, Yeah.
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How many How many, how many back end guys can you have?
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How many backing you have Devin Williams, David Bednar, Luke
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Weaver and Camilo Duvall? That's I'm and I'm look, I'm not
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being a hater. I'm genuinely like objectively,
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I think that's I mean. I like it.
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I'm sure you have, but all of those guys have closed it.
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This isn't just like oh, we're acquiring like our 789 guys.
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Those are all all have been or currently are closers.
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So like what? What are we doing?
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I don't know, man. I like it.
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The live reaction, I like it. It feels good.
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I haven't really paid a ton of attention to him.
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Let me kind of see what things have been looking like numbers
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wise. Yeah, man, he's got 15 saves
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this year. That's what I'm saying.
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All four of the guys that they have now have been or currently
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currently closers. I think it's a little bit of a
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different look. I don't know.
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We're going to have to see how it pans out.
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I think it's one thing when you have two, it's a whole another
26:03
thing when you have 4 and say, hey look boys, you got to buy in
26:07
because this is how we're rolling it out there.
26:11
I don't know man, going. Back to that example of of Liam
26:14
Hendrickson, Craig Kimbrough. When, if the when when can you
26:18
go back in in time and say there's been a scenario of four?
26:22
That's my point is I remember the conversations that
26:25
surrounded that deal and it was like, we're just going to have
26:28
to buy in and like everybody's going to be a team player here.
26:30
And it was disastrous, absolutely disastrous.
26:33
Now you have. Four guys crazy.
26:36
You also have to understand that that was done in the offseason,
26:39
right? White Sox did that before the
26:42
season. This is kind of like a deadline
26:45
thing of like, hey, you're immediately going to a
26:47
contender. I maybe that changes stuff a
26:49
little bit. We're officially 3 minutes past
26:52
the deadline by the way, but still got stuff obviously
26:55
trickling in. Give me give me an I'm I'm going
27:01
to go a minus on cumulative all. I like that more than Bednar,
27:05
not necessarily for the fact of him being like a better closer
27:09
than Bednar. I just like the fact that
27:12
bullpen needed massive help and they got massive.
27:15
They brought in three guys, Bednar Duvall, Jake Bird.
27:21
I'm a huge fan of the Yankees deadline.
27:25
Like, I I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good guys.
27:31
Yeah, must be a good deadline that I like.
27:34
We don't have to speak on it, but like the Jose Caballero
27:36
thing, like Volpe's been a black hole at shortstop defensively
27:41
and Caballero is super athletic. Play all the infield positions.
27:45
Sign me up all day. Charlie Morton to the Tigers.
27:52
Charlie Morton to the Tigers, Griffin Jacks to the Rays.
28:00
Dude, this deadline. I didn't see the Jacks one.
28:06
This deadline was on one. I mean, there's quite literally
28:14
no way we're going to be able to get to everything.
28:16
Like we, like I said, we have we have a hard stop, but.
28:19
It's my fault. Sorry guys.
28:21
No, it's fine. Like even if we didn't there's,
28:24
there's still no way we'd be able to get to all these deals
28:26
because I mean, this is insane. We let me go down the list here.
28:32
Mets bolstering their back end a little bit.
28:35
Tyler Rogers, they added. Who else did they add?
28:40
Ryan Helsley, the. I want to credit them.
28:46
Let me find the tweet here the All right, yeah.
28:56
So take a pitch on Twitter looking at some of the well,
29:04
we've, we've already touched on it briefly, but looking at some
29:08
of the, the arms that the National League acquired or you
29:13
know, some of these teams that they acquired, Padres getting
29:17
Mason Miller, you got Suarez like you mentioned, the Mets
29:22
read. Gary, I know we're on arms right
29:25
now. We didn't even mention the fact
29:26
that Ryan O'hearn going to the Padres too.
29:30
It's good. Get Padres.
29:32
Had a good solid deadline. Rogers, Helsley, Diaz, Phillies.
29:42
This this isn't who they acquire, but just like who who
29:44
they're working with. You got Romano, Strom, Duron.
29:48
Dodgers have Vesia, Scott, Trinon Stewart.
29:56
It's going to be very exciting if you're a fan of pitching come
30:01
time for the for October. Yeah, man, this is this is what?
30:08
Do you want to? Where do you want to go from
30:11
here? Well, let's talk about the Ryan
30:13
O'hearn one. I I you briefly mentioned that
30:15
Padres get o'hearn. I think I had him going to San
30:19
Francisco because I just feel like that fit made sense.
30:23
But they not only they get o'hearn, they get Loriano as
30:26
well from the OS. Depth, man, I just a straight
30:34
depth. I mean, I don't like, do the
30:38
Padres understand that? Like they have a finite amount
30:41
of roster spots. I don't think they care.
30:45
I feel like in just the moves that we've seen today, it's like
30:49
where where all these names going to play or, or or how are
30:55
they going to contribute most effectively with with this quote
30:59
UN quote depth that we have. Well, I think what's cool is
31:03
when, like when you have a team that and I, I haven't, I'm not
31:07
staring at the roster. Sorry, guys, there's a lot going
31:09
on here. But like with the Padres, you
31:11
got to assume that they have guys that have options and, and
31:16
when you have a bench or the back half of your roster that
31:19
has options and you can send them down and make some move,
31:22
make some moves like this and kind of solidify your bench.
31:25
I this is good. I mean, where does that?
31:31
Has Cronenworth had like any like a decent year at all?
31:38
Let's see 239 Eight homers, 2 swipes, 32 ribbies.
31:47
Yeah, this is a good move. This is a good move.
31:51
And in a pinch can give you some innings in the outfield too.
32:00
I like it. Taj Taj Bradley going to the
32:04
Twins in the Griffin. Jack Steel.
32:08
Interesting. The rays are interesting to me
32:15
because they've been scuffling, haven't they?
32:22
Three bat two and eight. Yeah, in the last. 10310 it's. 3
32:26
Back in the wild card. Well, I mean, I wonder if I feel
32:33
like that's a good get. I think Griffin Jax has been was
32:36
one of the popular names that was tossed out there this
32:38
deadline. I'm kind of surprised that it's
32:41
the Rays that get them, but I wonder if maybe the twins kind
32:46
of overplayed their hand a little bit and said, hey, this
32:49
is this is his value and no one was willing to pay that prospect
32:54
capital to get them. And then here at the at the
32:57
finish line, they're like, hey, you know what?
32:59
Let's just get it done. And Taj Bradley, I all right, I
33:04
mean no disrespect. No disrespect.
33:06
Let's play this game. I like playing this game around
33:09
the deadline. Where do you want to draw the
33:10
line for the American League wild card teams?
33:15
As in OS? Yeah, the OS we're pretty much
33:20
call them dead on arrival. The, I would say the Twins
33:24
probably where you you cut off even though they're six games
33:27
under their 5 1/2 back. I mean, do I believe the twins
33:33
are going to be a, a playoff team by the end of the year or
33:37
by the end of the regular season?
33:38
No. But like from a, from a, from an
33:45
objective standpoint, can can we say that the twins are still
33:49
within reason, like within striking distance?
33:53
Are you calling? I'm calling, I'm calling that
33:55
and I'll go one above and say I'm out on the angels too.
33:58
OK, so who by the way, if you want to start grading?
34:07
Nice deadline, what are you doing?
34:10
Let's finish this conversation, then maybe we'll switch gears.
34:14
Talk about some LS here real quick.
34:16
I'm I'm I'm with you out on the twins, out on the Angels.
34:20
And quite frankly, I'm surprised that the angels are at least at
34:23
this very moment having a better year than the twins.
34:25
Don't know how that makes any sense.
34:28
But with that said, that leaves seven teams outside of the
34:31
current division leaders fighting for.
34:34
Wild card spots, I think that's a safe, safe place just because
34:38
of the fact that like you can see any of these teams going on
34:40
a rough skid at any point, at any point.
34:45
Yeah, right now you've got the Yankees in the top spot, the Red
34:48
Sox in the second wild card spot, you've got the Mariners
34:51
and Rangers tied for the third spot.
34:54
And then outside looking in, you've got the Guardians, Royals
34:58
and Rays who, as we just said, sort of in a a buying kind of
35:05
situation so. And they are.
35:10
It's currently in the bottom of the eighth.
35:11
They're down 3 to the Yanks. They had a rain delay earlier.
35:14
So there's a point where, yeah, I mean, they could be 1 and 9 in
35:22
their last ten or two and eight in their last 10, whatever that
35:25
was anyway. No, it'd be 1 and 9 in their
35:31
last ten, Yeah. Let's talk about some LS.
35:42
I saw people saying, what's that look?
35:47
I was just reading this tweet. Astros are done.
35:51
It's basically it's saying that they they got some good pieces.
35:54
The Dylan C's conversations were serious, just never got over the
35:58
finish line. Thai France and Louis Varlen
36:04
have been traded to the Blue Jays.
36:11
Doesn't particularly move the needle for me, but in terms of
36:14
what I was saying, what I was saying about the LS, I saw
36:18
Louise Roberts still being on the White Sox was a a point of
36:21
contention for a lot of people. And I have to say I I would call
36:29
it an L on behalf of the White Sox for the return that I saw.
36:33
Rose reported that they were hoping for a Major League ready
36:38
player. And then I think 2 top top 100
36:42
prospects or something. I don't remember what it said.
36:46
That's just like. That's insane.
36:48
Why are you holding on to needing a big league ready
36:51
player? You're not ready to compete
36:53
anytime soon. Why is that so important?
36:55
I don't see why that matters. But I mean, you go back a few
37:00
weeks ago, I, I kind of felt like what's the point of selling
37:04
Luis Robert? He's having a down year.
37:06
Like why would you sell low? He's still under control.
37:09
He's still in his contract. It's like just try again next
37:11
year. Maybe he gets hot and and maybe
37:13
you move him, but don't wait too long if you're the White Sox, if
37:18
he's having great numbers and it's may move him.
37:22
Don't let things slide and and get to this this point in the
37:25
deadline where you could you could lose leverage again.
37:27
So I I wouldn't give them a full L that's.
37:30
What I'm saying that's, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
37:32
I, I give them an L from the point of view of what they were
37:35
asking for, but in terms of not panicking and just trying to
37:39
offload them and instead keeping them around to, like you said,
37:43
try again, you know, in the offseason or or next year.
37:46
That's I'm fine with that. Like there, there's no no sense,
37:49
but you're going to have to adjust your expectations if if
37:52
this level performance continues another L I've I've I've been
38:00
reading about the fact that Marcelo Zuna is still with the
38:03
Braves. Braves have a fat L This is a
38:06
fat L. I don't know, man, I don't
38:12
understand. There's certain things, there's
38:16
certain personnel situations around the league that you look
38:20
at and you're like, maybe there's more to what's going on
38:24
behind closed doors. Because like I always say, as
38:27
fans, we don't have the luxury of, of hearing, you know, every
38:31
conversation that happens on trade deadline day.
38:33
That's that's obvious. However, there are certain
38:37
personnel scenarios and situations where I feel like are
38:41
pretty common sense, and I feel like offloading Marcelo Zuna was
38:46
one of those. I think that and I also think of
38:51
because of their catching scenario.
38:54
Like Drake Baldwin looks legit. Yeah, Sean Murphy, I think, I
38:58
feel like Sean. Murphy needed to get moved.
39:00
Sean, the Red Sox, I think, were sniffing around that slightly.
39:05
So the fact that he's still there, or at least as of this
39:09
moment, he's still there, who's to say what What'll come in the
39:11
next few minutes, But the Royals acquiring Mike Yastremsky from
39:22
the Giants. Whoa.
39:23
Friend of the pod Mike Yastremsky.
39:26
Wow. The Royals are weird man.
39:31
Dude. What is happening?
39:33
They've been hot. They're looking.
39:35
They were inside that that that seven team spread that we you're
39:39
right. Hey, you're right.
39:41
Hey. You know what?
39:42
Let's let's go Royals. Let's go Royals A.
39:45
Little bit, you know, we talk, we, we talk all the time about
39:47
like, why don't? And I remember having this
39:49
conversation last year. Wasn't it last year that we said
39:52
the same thing for the, for the angels?
39:54
Or was that the year before where we're like, this makes no
39:57
sense, but the fact that you're like you're, you're committing
40:00
to a direction. Is is commendable, I guess, like
40:03
even though it may be the wrong 1 and it ended up being the
40:05
wrong decision to, to ultimately go for it, at least you're doing
40:08
stuff. Oh no, you know what it was?
40:10
It was the last year they had show hey, wasn't it where they
40:13
kept show hey, and people were like, what's going on?
40:15
Do you remember this conversation we had?
40:17
Yeah. I think that's what it was.
40:20
That's that's sort of a similar similar I.
40:22
Think I was kind of in the camp of the Angels needing to sell at
40:25
that point, but yeah, imagine the hall you would have gotten
40:28
back. Whatever.
40:30
Yeah. But anyway, the Royals slightly
40:33
similar situation, but also slightly different because I
40:36
think the Royals are are are much, much better suited to to
40:40
actually commit and actually make a legitimate run.
40:44
Than a than if they're in the NL, then we're not having this
40:47
conversation. But the fact that they're in the
40:49
AL and this year specifically with the AL, I'm a fan.
40:53
So back to the LS. Who else gets an L?
40:56
Who? Who are we dishing it out to?
41:01
Trying to think, Was there anybody?
41:05
How about the O's? Trying to think.
41:09
Anybody was missing, so Seti Mullins got dealt.
41:12
Yeah, yeah. So the Mets.
41:17
Which How do we feel about that while we're on the topic?
41:22
I give AC plus I think the Mets needed a center fielder,
41:26
clearly. And dudes a vet.
41:31
Dudes a solid vet. We're going to give you tough
41:33
ABS and play good defense. He's not really going to mess up
41:36
that often. I think you got what you needed.
41:43
Again, forgive me, I'm trying to keep track of all these moves.
41:46
Did, did or did not the Phillies acquire the outfielder that they
41:52
were looking for? Am I?
41:54
Am I forgetting a move that happened?
41:57
I think it was. Just yeah, just Vader and Duran.
42:00
We talked about that. That's right.
42:01
OK. Yeah, Because the only reason I
42:03
was asking because I remember Cedric Mullins being a potential
42:06
target for the Phillies as well. Yeah, yeah.
42:09
And look, I mean, like for what? Again, just touching on that,
42:12
for what Vader brings to the table.
42:14
Like he's, he doesn't need to play every day, but he's going
42:16
to give you outstanding defense. So yeah.
42:20
Speaking of outstanding defense, we haven't even mentioned this
42:24
name yet. Kabrine Hayes going to the Reds.
42:28
How do we feel about the Reds? Can we just talk a minute about
42:31
the Reds right now? Three games out of a wild card
42:34
spot. Five games over 500.
42:41
Didn't they sell an arm too? They they got, didn't they get
42:51
Zach Latell? They bought an arm.
42:56
Am I? Am I?
42:58
They got Zach Latell. Zach Latell?
43:01
Yeah. Brian Hayes.
43:04
Did they sell an arm? Maybe they didn't.
43:07
I think. I think that's it, those two
43:10
moves. Yeah, that's the one.
43:14
Those are the two I should say. I like the Brian Hayes move.
43:23
I mean, it was, I kind of got him for pretty cheap.
43:28
The outer for control. It's obviously excellent
43:31
defense. Maybe a change of scenery helps
43:34
the offense Brian Hayes wanted out, but I don't know.
43:40
I don't want to burn more time on it to be honest.
43:43
I'll go. I'll go see.
43:46
Plus, yeah, our, our grades have been spotty.
43:49
We've been just moving at speed of light.
43:52
So I think we've missed a few grades.
43:53
But yeah, I'm, I'm not wild about Kebron Hayes from a, a, a
43:59
full package point of view. Again, we know what this guy's
44:03
what you know what tool he best brings to the table.
44:08
It's no mystery, but what was it that I said yesterday Like a 650
44:14
OPS guy? Yeah, I think he's really only
44:17
had like 3/4 of a good season offensively.
44:22
I mean, I hear you, those of you trying to, you know, talk about
44:26
the quality of defense, but at what cost?
44:30
Truly, at what cost? I mean, I'm with you.
44:36
I don't want to spend any more time on it, but I just, that's
44:41
why I'm, I'm, I'm sort of, you know, 1 foot in one foot out on
44:44
this deal. I'm like, I don't know.
44:49
The Joe Ryan stays with the twins, in case that was in
44:54
doubt. Yeah.
44:55
Thanks. Appreciate that.
44:57
It's later. Just trying to see here.
45:01
What did we miss? We talked to O'hearn Helsley,
45:04
Bednar, Kelly Suarez, Correa, Mason Miller, Adrian Houser.
45:13
I think happened right at the buzzer.
45:17
Where did he go again? He is going to it was a flurry.
45:25
It was one of a flurry of like 3 or 4 moves.
45:27
So I'm, I'm, forgive me, Adrian Houser, Ray's Ray's of acquired
45:34
Adrian Houser. OK, good deal.
45:41
I again the razor just in a weird spot.
45:45
I I think I don't I'm not sure off hand of how much control him
45:50
and and Jax have. So maybe it's one of those
45:54
things were like it was out there for the taking.
45:57
Even though we haven't had a good few weeks.
45:58
It's out there for the taking. We can always run it back next
46:00
year. That's maybe the thought
46:02
process, I guess. See.
46:10
What else did we go into into much depth about the Korea
46:18
thing? I talked about why, you know why
46:19
I liked it. But the yeah, no, I think we I
46:26
think we covered that. We got, we talked Suarez.
46:32
Let's talk else. Let's talk else.
46:34
I mean, let look, let's be real, the Red Sox, I, I'm, I can argue
46:43
putting in the L camp just based on what they've dealt with in,
46:48
in a log jam in the outfield. They had needs.
46:52
And I mean no disrespect. I I think destiny is good.
46:56
Probably a lot of upside. Well, this blends.
46:58
This blends perfectly. I'm glad you brought up the Red
47:00
Sox because I was going to bring up, do we feel like the
47:03
Diamondbacks offloaded enough? And what I was going to say is,
47:09
you know, the Red Sox being tied to Kelly being tied potentially
47:13
2 gallon as well. And I think even in the mix for
47:18
Suarez, although I think that that faded away within the last
47:22
few days because I think it came down to like three or four teams
47:25
as of yesterday or like 2 days ago for Suarez.
47:27
So I don't think they're in that.
47:28
But the yeah, I it's weird, man. Because like with the Red Sox,
47:35
if there wasn't a trade deadline this year, just like in a
47:38
hypothetical situation, hey, there's no trade deadline,
47:41
You're just going to have to go with what you got.
47:43
With the way things. Are going right now, honestly,
47:46
I'm fine, but it's when it's when you get teased like Joe
47:49
Ryan, potentially Merrill Kelly, Zach Gallen, other names around
47:53
the league, Sandy Alcantara like you, you start hearing these
47:58
things and then when you end up with Dustin May and Steven Matz.
48:03
Yeah, it's like I forgot about Stephen Mass.
48:06
Who's having a good like a good year and and well.
48:09
It's an inning eater. Depending upon what role they
48:12
want to use with him because he's been out of the pen this
48:14
year. But if they want to, you know,
48:15
stretch him out for spot starts or even put him on the back end
48:18
for the second for these last couple months, you know, I guess
48:21
we'll see. But if that like if that's what
48:24
you end up with, it's like, I wish you just wouldn't have even
48:28
bothered and just told me that you weren't going to do anything
48:31
and I could have just put my blinders on and we just could
48:34
have kept things going because you just came off a a serious
48:36
win against the twins 2. I think two straight series wins
48:42
after dropping the the 1st 2 series after the break.
48:45
So sort of riding the ship there.
48:47
But I think specifically when you look at like the teams
48:50
around then that they're competing with, I feel like the
48:52
Yankees got better. I feel like the Mariners got
48:54
better. I feel like the Rangers got
48:57
better. So it's like I.
48:59
The Jays can we the Jays got better who like let's not let's
49:04
not like ignore the fact that this is still a three like this
49:08
is a three team race in the. Division for the, for the East
49:12
and for the for the Blue Jays look like I, I can, I can't.
49:16
They've been hot. I think at one point it was like
49:19
21 out of the last 25 games they've won.
49:22
Like it's some, some crazy stretch like that.
49:27
It's not sustainable. I think they had a, a better
49:31
deadline. But like either way, back to the
49:32
Red Sox, I, I just, I feel like the teams that you're definitely
49:36
competing with got took two steps forward, maybe 3 steps
49:40
forward today and the Red Sox maybe took a half a step.
49:44
So I I'm going to pass him an L I'm going to give him an L.
49:52
I'm going to give them an L, but I'm going to give them like an L
49:54
light because again, I know I got I know I said what I just
49:58
said about like, you know, you, you get teased with some of
50:01
these names and then you end up with Steven Mads and Dustin May.
50:03
However, if if this was a decision and I I don't want to
50:09
be gas lit. So like, I'm not even really
50:12
interested in what Craig Bresso has a say.
50:14
Yeah. After the fact, but behind
50:17
closed doors, if if the situation was like, hey, we're
50:21
willing to give you X or Y or Z, but we want, we want Jaron Duran
50:28
and the Red Sox didn't feel like that was an adequate return.
50:31
Then I'm. Then I'm I'm.
50:32
I'm fine with not having not made those moves.
50:36
No, I hear you. I think it's I think it's just
50:38
the fact that the log jam is still there.
50:40
And, and I think they're, I don't know, I think they're in
50:46
good shape. And I, I thought they would have
50:48
been in better shape if they made a better move, but touching
50:53
on the Diamondbacks real quick. And then we got to get back to
50:57
the Mets because they upgraded their bullpen significantly.
51:00
And that's a big move we can't ignore.
51:03
But with the Diamondbacks, it makes me wonder if, like, you
51:07
didn't get any offers that you wanted for Gallon because of how
51:11
bad he's been this year. And at the same time, I think if
51:15
that's the case, if you're the Diamondbacks, maybe you're the
51:19
one of the few teams that says, hey, we'll take a shot.
51:23
We'll take a shot this offseason.
51:25
We'll bring you back, we'll run it back, see if it goes well.
51:28
And like, maybe that's the move for them.
51:33
Kind of thought that Guriel might have gotten moved, but I
51:38
don't know. I mean, the Diamondbacks didn't
51:39
need to do a ton. They're they just underperformed
51:41
this year. I think they're still really
51:44
good. I think they have a really good
51:45
roster. Just a bad year.
51:49
But yeah, Mets. Ryan Helsley.
51:54
Who I mentioned earlier, but we didn't really talk talk in depth
51:57
about. I think I was tuned out.
51:59
Thanks. B Plus it would be an A if his
52:05
numbers were a little bit better, but I feel like it's
52:07
kind of been like trending down the last few years.
52:15
I think a lot of that, a lot of his numbers have been trending
52:17
down. Strikeout percentage has been
52:20
trending, down 21. Saves on the air.
52:23
I think this year has been better.
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Let's look at the What's the savant looking like right now?
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All right, decent amount of red chase percentage with percentage
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K percentage. All looking pretty good,
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especially the chase percentage I think.
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It's a great move though. He's walking at a higher clip
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than he would like, but again, it's a good, it's a good, it's a
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good move. And again, this is one of those
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moves that supplements. Some interesting things in the
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bullpen, by the way, with those two closers.
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Right. But that's what I'm saying.
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Is it it supplements a a bullpen that I think will create
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nightmares in October, One of one of many I think are are
53:15
gearing up to do that very thing this October.
53:20
Yeah, yeah. And that could kind of be a part
53:25
of this conversation. You know what I mean?
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I understand about the adrenaline of having multiple
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closers in your bullpen and like, what if you take him out
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of that role? How does he do in a different
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role? I get that.
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I definitely get that conversation.
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But when you're talking about being in the postseason, I don't
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think there's any lack of adrenaline.
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I don't think there's any, you know what I mean?
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And when you have potential stretches where you got to get
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through a wild card round to be able to advance, maybe you maybe
54:04
you need another guy that can close games down and you can't
54:07
expect a guy to be available, you know, pretty much every day
54:10
for a month straight. It's just not feasible.
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So I think the Mets did a really good job.
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Let's not forget the Gregory Soto move.
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That what happened last week too.
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Like I think they they had a good deadline.
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I'm going to give the Mets credit.
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I thought they should have added to their rotation but or give me
54:29
a good deadline. Which just reminded me I had
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Severino going back to the Mets and last I checked, Severino was
54:39
staying put. Feel bad?
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For him, I feel like he kind of aired out all of his.
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Yeah, yeah, all of. His grievances and then didn't
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get moved. Kind of awkward.
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Yeah, I mean, if yeah, that's that sucks for him with some of
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the other arms that got moved around.
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I just wonder why Severino wasn't one of them.
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I can't, I can't imagine him airing those grievances, being
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like a detractor for him. Because I feel like if you're
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anybody that's a like a rationally minded baseball
55:11
person, you look at that situation and go, I yeah, makes
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sense. Attracts like course you're
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playing. Like, look at where he's playing
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and look at the splits. Like it all.
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It all adds up. I thought the Mets made a lot of
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sense. I thought that would have been a
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really good fit. Did you did you give your
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thoughts on the on the what's his face, Nestor Cortez move?
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I haven't really paid attention to how he's done this year.
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How? How's it been?
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Do you know? I don't.
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Who did I even say that was? That was one of the other names.
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I think that was in the flurry of moves last minute.
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Oh, oh, he's been out a while. Oh, going to the Padres?
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That's right. He's on the 60 J IL set your
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return in August. It's only made two starts this
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year. Side note this I don't know if
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maybe it's just a little brain fart action, but like kind of
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forgot guys on the IO could get moved.
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Yeah, I don't know pass out any other LS.
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How do you feel about the Guardians?
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How do you feel about Cleveland? This was a weird one because we
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had some big names floated that end up ended up not getting
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moved for different reasons. Dude, I think the, I mean, I
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think the Guardians have bigger, bigger fish to fry right now.
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Like it's as crazy as it sounds like.
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I think they're in the middle of something where they probably
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didn't have 100% focus attributed to this deadline.
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And it's all this was all because of what, you know,
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obviously what happened with the the scandal and everything.
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I think they've just got too much going on.
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And at the end of the day, I'm, I'm glad that we can finally
57:04
sort of put a bow on the Bieber. I won't call it a saga, but you
57:09
know, he, I mean, he's been floated out there for some time
57:12
now. And it's like, OK, when, when is
57:14
Bieber going to eventually, you know, end up in another uniform?
57:17
So I'm, I'm glad to see that's finally the case.
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Not that I wanted him to. I don't know, it's weird.
57:24
Like I I wanted Shane Beaver to stay a guardian, but it's like,
57:28
if you're going to continually float him out there, it's like,
57:30
OK, just RIP the Band-Aid off or just say that like this is our
57:33
guy. We're he's going to be the, he's
57:36
going to be the Kershaw kind of guy just wearing the same
57:38
uniform. What you know that?
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Whatever, but. I didn't think they needed to
57:43
move Quan, I think Class A just kind of really put him in a bind
57:47
with everything. Yeah, the Quan things did that
57:50
sort of fall from the clouds? I feel like I didn't really.
57:53
I don't know if I had heard too much noise on that.
57:55
And then what was it yesterday, the day before?
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Like, yeah, teams are sniff around on what it would take to
58:01
get Quan. I'm like.
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Yeah, strange for. What?
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I don't know, but yeah, not, not like a huge, I don't think too
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big of an L and needs to be handed out for the Guardians,
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but I feel like they they kind of, they did, I guess they did
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the best they could given the circumstances.
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Shelby Miller and Jordan Montgomery traded to the
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Brewers. I don't know.
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I don't got time for this. Yeah.
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I mean, what are we doing? Jesus Sanchez going to the going
58:34
to the Astros. I mean this.
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That one was earlier. I I didn't hate that move.
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They needed some outfield depth and still a change of scenery.
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Dudes got crazy pop. Maybe you can put it together
58:44
there. Dodgers acquired Alex Call from
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the Nationals. Yeah, a lot of I.
58:51
Don't even know who that is. No disrespect.
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Well, the only reason I know of him is because I've been to
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nationals game this year and like lightly followed the
59:00
personnel they have anticipating that they would be sound at the
59:04
deadline. But yeah, a lot of lower tier
59:08
moves, no disrespect to supplement all these ones that
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we've talked about thus far, but I think we've we've arrived at
59:17
our at our stopping point. Yeah, and I think we'll have a
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good time, you know, kind of seeing what these next few days
59:25
look like, getting a look at these guys in new uniforms and
59:28
seeing what roles they hop into. It's going to be fun.
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It's this is I think that's what makes the trade deadline.
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We own the trade deadline, by the way, as well as the All Star
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game. We own both in all sports.
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So suck on that and it's going to be cool to see.
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I don't know, isn't NB as trade deadline period like kind of
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insane? Their their stuff is just
59:52
because it's like right after and they have like a weird
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window. Ours is cool because it's cool.
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How's that? How's that for analysis?
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Well said. Yeah, all right, I got to roll.
1:00:04
All right, apologies if we missed any, you know, major
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moves, but I think we touched on the majority of the the the real
1:00:12
needle movers, if you will, but we we were in sort of a time
1:00:16
crunch here, but glad to get a little bit of pre deadline convo
1:00:21
and a little bit of post deadline combo here.
1:00:23
So as Nate said, we'll we'll be anxiously waiting to see how
1:00:27
some of. These Maybe next year we just
1:00:28
take the whole day off from work.
1:00:29
What? Do you maybe we meet up and just
1:00:31
do stream it? I like it.
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But yeah, we'll wait, be waiting to see how some of these moves
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play out, new faces and new places.
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But other than that, that's that's that's all I really got.
1:00:49
I had to sneak one in. You know, it's it's the end of
1:00:51
the week pod. So yeah, unless you got anything
1:00:54
else we can get out of here, I'll go chasing.
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Curve balls, we love you. All and as always, looking
1:00:58
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