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Homeschooling Is Superior | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Jim Wolfe. The Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas, Kevin Swanson, thank you for joining me in
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Speaker 1: the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Jeremi. Always good to be in the trenches with
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Speaker 2: guys like you. This is my passion.
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Speaker 3: I've been to twenty countries around the world, most of
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Speaker 3: the states here in the US, and I've been speaking
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Speaker 3: of homeschooling for forty years. First Homeschool Conference nineteen eighty
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Speaker 3: six and Passer Robels, California. So yeah, forty years of
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Speaker 3: advocating home education primarily as a means to bring a
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Speaker 3: Christian discipleship, really also to wean the minds of the
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Speaker 3: next generation from status indoctrination and basically a socialist mindset.
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Speaker 3: The best way to create them a socialist. Put them
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Speaker 3: in a socialist school for twelve years and doctrinate them
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Speaker 3: into socialism, not just by the ideology but by the methodology.
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Speaker 3: Either way, you're making socialists. And this is what the
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Speaker 3: public school advocates understand very very well. They've got the
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Speaker 3: future generation, they've sewed it up, and freedom does not
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Speaker 3: have a shot from my perspective unless you can wean
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Speaker 3: the kids from the socialist schools.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's get the boring stuff out of the way.
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Speaker 1: Who is Kevin Swanse today?
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm sixty two years old. We've got five children,
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Speaker 3: nine grandchildren. My folks raised us out in Japan on
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Speaker 3: the mission field and homeschooled us as really the first
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Speaker 3: generation of homeschoolers in the modern era.
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Speaker 2: So that was it.
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Speaker 3: I graduated from my college out in California with a
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Speaker 3: Bachelor of Science and mechanical Engineering, moved on into corporate
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Speaker 3: management for a while, and then took a flying leap
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Speaker 3: off the corporate ladder to dedicate my life to the
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Speaker 3: homeschool movement in America. That was nineteen ninety nine. Been
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years leading the homeschool movement here in state
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Speaker 3: of Colorado. And then we formed the Generation's Ministry to
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Speaker 3: advocate homeschooling not just here in the States but around
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Speaker 3: the world.
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Speaker 2: So that's it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're probably the folks that travel the most
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Speaker 3: in foreign countries.
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Speaker 2: South Africa.
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Speaker 3: I've been there four or five times, Brazil four or
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Speaker 3: five times, Australia, New Zealand, Portugal, England, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So we've been all over the world. We've been to Zambia.
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Speaker 3: We've been to Uganda, Malawi speaking on home education. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: we're just like all over the world to just try
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Speaker 3: to bring what we believe to be the best form
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Speaker 3: of education to the world today. And you know what,
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Speaker 3: there is a rising skepticism to the government increasingly, folks,
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Speaker 3: when the government official comes to the dorm from the
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Speaker 3: government here to help you, they start laughing or they
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Speaker 3: just slammed the door in their face.
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Speaker 2: They don't believe it anymore.
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Speaker 3: You know, in nineteen seventy, get this, nineteen seventy seventy
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Speaker 3: percent of Americans were in favor of public schools, had
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Speaker 3: a positive view of the public school That's down to
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Speaker 3: about twenty seven percent. Now only twenty seven percent of
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Speaker 3: Americans have a favorable view of the public schools. The
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Speaker 3: public schools, the government run educational systems, have had a
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Speaker 3: shot at it and they have failed. F minus and
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Speaker 3: parents understand this today. So we are busting out, there's
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Speaker 3: no question about it. Rip for public schools, for government
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Speaker 3: funded systems. I think we're coming to the end of it.
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Speaker 1: Since you've been to my continent a number of times,
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Speaker 1: you will probably know that how public schooling by and
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Speaker 1: lawge is pretty terrible. And that's a good thing because
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Speaker 1: that means that means that everybody is more susceptible to options.
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Speaker 1: If your public schooling system is very efficient, like a
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Speaker 1: well oiled machine, you're going to have a tough of
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Speaker 1: time convincing people why it's a bad idea.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and believe it or not, you're worse than
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Speaker 3: we are in South Africa.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of sad. That's really sad.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, thankfully, you know, parents have figured this out.
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Speaker 3: It's just we have to present options and we have
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Speaker 3: to equip parents to this. I think it takes a
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Speaker 3: professional it takes state approval. These sorts of myths need
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Speaker 3: to be, you know, utterly disavowed, and we have to
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Speaker 3: get parents to the point where they understand that they
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Speaker 3: can do it and they should do it. That's why
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Speaker 3: I wrote the book Upgrade the Ten Secrets to the
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Speaker 3: Best Education for your Child. It's a short little books,
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Speaker 3: as simple as I can put it. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: we have we have a site, a Generation's South Africa
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Speaker 3: site where you can purchase these these books. And I'm
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Speaker 3: coming to South Africa and in September to share this
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Speaker 3: vision with South Africa.
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Speaker 2: So we're looking forward to that.
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Speaker 1: Why is homeschooling superior in your view?
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Speaker 3: Well, very very simply. I mean I'm a simple guy.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, what did God say? So I go
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Speaker 3: to the Bible. I look up education in the Bible
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Speaker 3: and find out that in every case, parents are involved.
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Speaker 3: At every point, parents are to be teaching as they
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Speaker 3: sit in the house, as they walk by the way,
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Speaker 3: as they rise up, as they lie down. That's Douterami
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Speaker 3: sixty seven. So that's, you know, way back home Testament times.
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Speaker 3: But if he's in six same thing, fathers, bring your
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Speaker 3: children up in the nurture of the Lord. You have
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Speaker 3: the Book of Proverbs, which is universally accepted pretty much
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Speaker 3: as a book of wisdom that's been around for three thousand,
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Speaker 3: six hundred years, and it's a father teaching a son,
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Speaker 3: and then mom shows up in chapter thirty one. I'm sorry, mom.
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Speaker 3: Mom shows up in chapter thirty one and she helps out.
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Speaker 3: So you know, historically, for nine hundred years, parents did
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Speaker 3: a good job with this until the experts showed up
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Speaker 3: and then and ruined it.
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Speaker 2: That's the way I look at history.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, nine hundred years where we were able to
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Speaker 3: build something thank god, over five nine hundred years. And
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Speaker 3: then the experts show up, say here, let's control and
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Speaker 3: you know, initially there were small schools. There were little,
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Speaker 3: you know, little neighborhood schools, sometimes called public schools, but
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Speaker 3: there were just you know, little schools like Laura Ingles
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Speaker 3: Wilder from a little house on the prairie, right, She's
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Speaker 3: a school teacher at sixteen years of age.
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Speaker 2: She has six kids in one room school house.
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Speaker 3: Until the experts show up, and the experts, you know, hey,
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Speaker 3: let's do state organizations in which we organize all the
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Speaker 3: teachers and establish standards. And then you get national departments
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Speaker 3: of education that begin to form themselves in the twentieth century,
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Speaker 3: and then you have you know, standards everywhere, and that
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Speaker 3: pretty much destroys it.
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Speaker 2: That's how to destroy education.
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Speaker 3: You governmentalize it, socialize it, and centralize control over it.
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Speaker 3: Every child's an individual. That's one of our big points
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Speaker 3: we draw. Every child's an individual. You have second child,
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Speaker 3: you have one child, you get a second child, Jeremy.
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Speaker 3: And the first thing you say is they are so different.
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Speaker 3: They are different. They're all different. You cannot do a
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Speaker 3: one size fits all form of education and impose it
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Speaker 3: by state mandate on every kid in the country.
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Speaker 2: No, No, nobody knows their children better.
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Speaker 3: Nobody loves their children more so than their own parents,
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Speaker 3: who can tailor make that education for each of their
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Speaker 3: children given their individual talents and abilities that God has
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Speaker 3: given to them. So that's one of my major points
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Speaker 3: that they draw on my book, The Ten Secrets of
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Speaker 3: the Best Education for Your Child. But yeah, it's and
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Speaker 3: when the government shows up, they have to standardize and centralize.
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Speaker 2: You have to do it.
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Speaker 3: I was in high volume manufacturing, Okay, that's what I
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Speaker 3: was doing in engineering, So you know, we did automobile parts.
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Speaker 3: You make one hundred thousand automobile parts, they're exactly the
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Speaker 3: same thing. So you know, you make one hundred thousand
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Speaker 3: of these through the black box.
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Speaker 2: Kirk chunk ker chunk kerchunk ker chunk.
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Speaker 3: But the important thing is everything coming into the black
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Speaker 3: box has to be sized and shaped exactly alike that
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Speaker 3: supplier quality. The problem with children is they're not sized
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Speaker 3: and shaped exactly alike.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed that, Jeremy.
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Speaker 3: They don't think alike, they don't talk alike, they have
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Speaker 3: different learning styles, etc. And so you try to mass
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Speaker 3: produce the education of children through the black box.
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Speaker 2: You're going to get junk out the other end.
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Speaker 3: No better thing than to decentralized control of education, put
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Speaker 3: it in the hands of parents, and then they maximize
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Speaker 3: on their individual gifts, talents, and abilities. This is one
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Speaker 3: of the most empowering, one of the most freeing aspects
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Speaker 3: of education known to man. It's called the principle of individuality,
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Speaker 3: and we hardwired into the homeschool vision. So you know,
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Speaker 3: that's the one example. I mean, I mean, I could
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Speaker 3: go on and on. What was your question? Why is
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Speaker 3: it the best way? It's the best way for like
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Speaker 3: a hundred reasons. I like to get it off the
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Speaker 3: island as well. We call life integration. Knowledge has to
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Speaker 3: be life integrated. You have to life integrate knowledge. You
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Speaker 3: can't just know something, you have to do something. That's
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Speaker 3: why you put math into the kitchen. You learn about fractions.
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Speaker 3: You immediately and start baking cookies. You double the recipe
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Speaker 3: two times. One quarter of a teaspoon is two quarters
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Speaker 3: of t spoons one half a spoon.
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Speaker 2: We'll go with that.
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Speaker 3: But you've got to apply it in the home economy.
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Speaker 3: You have to apply in the kitchen, you have to
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Speaker 3: apply in real life that's one of the most powerful
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Speaker 3: principles ever to create children who are problem solvers. And
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Speaker 3: we'll do something with the knowledge that they're getting out
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Speaker 3: of the textbook. You've got to get out of the
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Speaker 3: textbook into real life. And when you put life out
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Speaker 3: onto this school, what.
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Speaker 1: Is a school?
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Speaker 2: School isn't home.
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Speaker 3: School, isn't business, school, isn't politics, school isn't sure, school
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Speaker 3: isn't life. School's hypothetical. You don't want to be doing that. No, No,
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Speaker 3: put school into the bosom of real life U. And
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Speaker 3: this is one of the most empowering elements. That's why
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Speaker 3: I think home education. Home educated kids turn out to
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Speaker 3: be some of the most creative problem solvers known to man.
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Speaker 3: So I can give you a lot of other reasons,
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Speaker 3: and here's one of the big ones. Let's just wean
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Speaker 3: education from the control of governments. I don't know about you.
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Speaker 3: I don't like tutalitarian go governments. I don't want to
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Speaker 3: leave my kids and gulogs in prison camps. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's I'm realised some people love it. They just want
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Speaker 3: total government. You know, big socialist government may share our
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Speaker 3: kids are completely dominated and controlled every aspect of their
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Speaker 3: life by big government.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's your deal. That's not my deal.
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Speaker 3: I want my kids freed from government control and government
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Speaker 3: and doctrination in terms of basic worldviews and ideologies, and yeah,
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Speaker 3: in any given republic or any given you know, free country.
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Speaker 3: I believe that parents should choose the kind of education
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Speaker 3: they give their kids, So you can't do a one
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Speaker 3: size fits all worldview. Muslim parents want to send their
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Speaker 3: kids off to Muslim schools, Christian parents the Christian schools.
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Speaker 3: I guess, Humanists and socialists and Marxist kids want to
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Speaker 3: go into the communist schools and learn communist, socialist Marxist ideas. Okay, well,
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Speaker 3: go ahead and do that, but it should never be
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Speaker 3: controlled by the state. This is one of the ways
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Speaker 3: in which pluralism the idea that somehow while a pluralist
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Speaker 3: form of education which will make everybody happy the same time,
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Speaker 3: it's impossible. We can't be doing this to give each
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Speaker 3: individual parent the responsibility, the rights, the freedom's liberties to
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Speaker 3: make those choices for themselves.
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Speaker 1: It makes sense because what you're ultimately doing by going
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Speaker 1: to a public school is that you're outsourcing the education
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Speaker 1: of your own child to a group of other people
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Speaker 1: who are following a syllabus given to them by the state.
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Speaker 1: It makes the most sense that you, as the parent
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Speaker 1: want to impart your knowledge and your wisdom unto your child.
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Speaker 3: I totally agree, yes, and parents love their kids the most.
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Speaker 3: They want the best for their children.
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Speaker 2: And not to say they're teachers.
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Speaker 3: There aren't teachers out there that love kids and try
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Speaker 3: and do the best for the children. I get there,
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Speaker 3: and there are some bad parents, but I'm saying on average,
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Speaker 3: on average, parents love their children more than anybody else
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Speaker 3: in the world, and they will do the best job possible.
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Speaker 2: The thing is, the data shows it.
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Speaker 3: In our country, We've got so much data now if
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Speaker 3: anybody wants data NARI nh e RII dot org, the
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Speaker 3: National Home Education Research Institute has done a ton of
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Speaker 3: data and so and has collected probably thousands of studies
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Speaker 3: on the four point five million homeschoolers in this country
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Speaker 3: over the last forty five years of research. And the
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Speaker 3: bottom line is homeschoolers are showing up in the eighty
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Speaker 3: percentiles in reading, arithmetic, et cetera. They're typically, you know,
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Speaker 3: thirty to thirty five percentile points above the national average.
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Speaker 3: Now again there's the minus three standard deviations for the
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Speaker 3: occasional homeschool family that doesn't do things very well. But
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Speaker 3: just comparing averages here, on average, homeschoolers upwards are the
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Speaker 3: thirty to forty percentile above the national average, and so
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Speaker 3: they do a.
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Speaker 2: Very good job.
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Speaker 3: In fact, they've actually taken parents who you know, have
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Speaker 3: the teacher certificate, their trained teachers doing the work with
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Speaker 3: their kids, and then they've taken data from ordinary parents
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Speaker 3: don't have teacher certificate, and they find on the National
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Speaker 3: Standards test there's zero statistic significant difference between the performance
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Speaker 3: of those kids. A professional degree does no good, absolutely
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Speaker 3: zero good when it comes to the homeschool environment. So
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Speaker 3: this is the data we've collected over thirty five years
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Speaker 3: of this movement. So there's no question in my mind
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Speaker 3: that your average parent can do. I understand there are
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Speaker 3: a few exceptions to the rule, but we've got enough
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Speaker 3: data now that that one's put to bed for us.
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Speaker 1: I might have this wrong, but I read some way
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Speaker 1: that in the United States before nineteen hundred, homeschooling was
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Speaker 1: the norm.
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Speaker 2: I would say very much.
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Speaker 3: So. I think the homeschooling was the norm for about
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Speaker 3: five nine hundred years of world history until the experts
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Speaker 3: showed up. Also, we like to say, if you go
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Speaker 3: to Mount Rushmore, we have a monument called Mount Rushmore,
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Speaker 3: we have the face of Washington and Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt,
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Speaker 3: Tom and Abram Lincoln, and we typically refer to that
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Speaker 3: as the homeschool National Monument because all four of those
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Speaker 3: men were homeschooled. In fact, most of America's founders were
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Speaker 3: homeschooled as well. So yeah, it's been tried, tested, and
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Speaker 3: found to be true over five nine hundred years of
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Speaker 3: world history. It's only been in the last one hundred
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Speaker 3: years where we finally discovered that socialist, Marxist Russoian forms
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Speaker 3: of education have been a total disaster. So we've tested it,
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Speaker 3: we've tried it out, we've proven it out, and I
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Speaker 3: think average parent in America is finally admitting to the
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Speaker 3: truth of that.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the drive towards public schooling is by design?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, I completely believe it. It's rooted in John
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Speaker 3: Jack Rousseau. I wrote another book called Apostate The Men
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Speaker 3: had destroyed the Christian West, which is a summary of
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Speaker 3: the absolute worst character that brought about, you know, the
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Speaker 3: destruction of the faith and destruction of freedom, socialism, Marxism,
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Speaker 3: et cetera to the modern age. And Rousseau is right
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Speaker 3: at the front of it. And his book A Meal
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Speaker 3: was all about how we have to get control of
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Speaker 3: the populace.
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Speaker 2: This is a Prussian form of education.
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Speaker 3: The Prussians picked it up after Rousseau, effectively you on
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Speaker 3: FicT and others said, yeah, the only way in which
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Speaker 3: we're going to develop the modern socialist state is to
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Speaker 3: wean these kids from their family at the earliest age possible.
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Speaker 3: And then and then the whole purpose of education is
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Speaker 3: to raise children to be minions of the state.
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Speaker 2: And so it's a it's a worldview, it's a it's
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Speaker 2: a it's an idea.
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Speaker 3: It's an idea that you know, we're going to socialize
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Speaker 3: societies and be sure that society is controlled by governments
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Speaker 3: and the economy. Fifty percent of the G and I
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Speaker 3: is government spending in most of our nations today. It
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Speaker 3: was down around four or five six percent for most
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Speaker 3: of history until you get to the nine hundreds, and
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Speaker 3: then finally government steps in and really, you know, becomes
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Speaker 3: the tautalitarian form of government. And you know, most most
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Speaker 3: of us has grown up in this.
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Speaker 2: We've been the.
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Speaker 3: Frogs in the slowly boiling water and don't realize we're
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Speaker 3: living in absolute tutalitarian government controlled everything. And I think
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Speaker 3: it's time for the frogs to wake up and realize we're,
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Speaker 3: you know, running about ninety nine point nine degree centigrade
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Speaker 3: and the jacuzzi and governments, you know, once, once they
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Speaker 3: can get that fifty percent, there's nothing stopping it. To
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Speaker 3: get to seventy eighty ninety five percent of the gross
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Speaker 3: national income controlled by government spending.
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Speaker 2: That's the direction we've been heading.
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Speaker 3: And I think you could not accomplish that without Rousseau
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Speaker 3: and Marx really pressing this idea of public education. Remember
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Speaker 3: the Communist Manifesto, if you read it, most influential document
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Speaker 3: of the last two hundred years. The very central feature
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Speaker 3: of the Communist Manifesto was summarized in these words, we
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Speaker 3: must replace home education with social and that's that's the
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Speaker 3: heart and soul. That's a quote unquote replace home education
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Speaker 3: with social Marx's main agenda is to destroy the family,
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Speaker 3: because he knew the family and family controlled education was
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Speaker 3: the one thing that stood in the way of totalitarian government.
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Speaker 2: So if you're a Marxist, if you're a socialist.
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Speaker 3: If you love tautalitarian governments, you're gonna love public education.
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Speaker 3: But if you're like, you know what, I don't really
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Speaker 3: want to leave my kids in gulags in prison camps.
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Speaker 3: I'm really big on freedom and so forth. I think
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Speaker 3: you're going to find that Rousseau and Marx had it
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Speaker 3: wrong and we need to reverse that, and there's nothing
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Speaker 3: like homeschooling to do that. It's interesting, you know, I've
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Speaker 3: done homeschool conferences in Russia. It was one of the
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Speaker 3: most satisfying experiences in my life. I could hear Marx
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Speaker 3: turning over in his grave when we did our first
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Speaker 3: homeschool conferences down in Saint Petersburg. So we've done the
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Speaker 3: same thing in Ukraine and other countries around the world.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, we're just breaking out now. And I think
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Speaker 3: what we found is the belly of the Beast, Jeremy,
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Speaker 3: the belly of the East.
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Speaker 2: I'm saying it. I mean, you're not the only way.
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Speaker 3: The only way you're going to reverse to tlitarianism is
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Speaker 3: by reverting education out on the hands of the state
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Speaker 3: and putting it back in the hands of parents. I
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Speaker 3: can't think of any other way that we're going to
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Speaker 3: salvage freedom anywhere in the world unless we can advance
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Speaker 3: this agenda first and foremost in the hearts of parents
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Speaker 3: like you.
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Speaker 1: When you talk about homeschooling, what are you actually talking about?
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Speaker 3: Well, heart hands and head, head, heart hands. This is
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Speaker 3: the best way I've summarized it. Actually added a chapter
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Speaker 3: recently on the twentieth anniversary edition in my book Upgrade.
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Speaker 2: But I really think that's it. It's not just pumping
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Speaker 2: stuff into the head. It's education, yes, but it's also
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Speaker 2: discipling the heart. We have to look at the full
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Speaker 2: human Okay, you got to look at the head.
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Speaker 3: You gotta look where Education, as I define it, is
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Speaker 3: preparation of a child academically, intellectually, spiritually, emotionally, relationally, and
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Speaker 3: physically for their life and for eternity. I'm a Christian,
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Speaker 3: so I believe eternity is beyond okay. But but when
19:19
Speaker 3: a child is born, some assembly required. I don't know
19:21
Speaker 3: if you noticed that about your child. There's some assembly required. Okay,
19:25
Speaker 3: you know, they leak a lot. They leak, they scream,
19:30
Speaker 3: they have emotional issues, they have character issues. So there's
19:34
Speaker 3: a fair amount of work to be done. Now, the
19:37
Speaker 3: way I explain it is. We can't separate out the
19:39
Speaker 3: head like sever the head, put the head on the desk,
19:42
Speaker 3: and these teachers are going to.
19:43
Speaker 2: Be teaching the head.
19:45
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that's one of the most biggest
19:47
Speaker 3: mistakes ever. You're you're working as you're teaching math. As
19:51
Speaker 3: you're teaching math, believe it or not, you're teaching character.
19:54
Speaker 3: You're teaching their emotional stability. You know, math was the
19:58
Speaker 3: most emotional subject.
19:59
Speaker 2: In our house.
20:00
Speaker 1: It just was.
20:01
Speaker 3: Now for some people math isn't emotional, but in our
20:04
Speaker 3: home it was very emotional. So there's gonna be some
20:06
Speaker 3: emotional training, there's gonna be some spiritual training, there's gonna
20:09
Speaker 3: be some character issues that come to bear. Nobody qualified
20:13
Speaker 3: nobody really, you know, responsible before God, then their own parents.
20:20
Speaker 3: I mean parents are the ones that are best qualified
20:24
Speaker 3: by God for this. So so I don't separate it out.
20:27
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's the whole person seven twenty four.
20:31
Speaker 3: We're doing some academics, yeah, we're doing the intellectual, but
20:33
Speaker 3: we're working the heart, the emotions, the character, the faith.
20:37
Speaker 3: All of this is happening at the same time. And
20:39
Speaker 3: if you hear me present when I come to South Africa,
20:42
Speaker 3: in September.
20:42
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna get a full vision of what's
20:44
Speaker 2: involved here.
20:46
Speaker 3: I also bring in the hands because at the end
20:47
Speaker 3: of the day, if we're not applying the things we've learned,
20:50
Speaker 3: that's a real problem. I wrote a book called God
20:52
Speaker 3: Made Animals Science for fourth grader's level four, and we
20:57
Speaker 3: teach them about the mosquito, the.
20:58
Speaker 2: Most dangerous animal honor.
21:00
Speaker 3: Then you know, in Africa especially, it kills more people
21:02
Speaker 3: than any other animal on earth.
21:04
Speaker 2: But at the end of the lesson, one of the
21:07
Speaker 2: requirements that they go outside.
21:08
Speaker 3: They have to empty the water out of their wagons
21:12
Speaker 3: and the little trucks, and they have to fill in
21:14
Speaker 3: some of the holes potholes where there's water collecting around
21:17
Speaker 3: the house. Why to take dominion of the mosquito. In
21:20
Speaker 3: other words, you don't just learn the lesson. You apply
21:23
Speaker 3: the lesson, and you do it in real life. Not
21:25
Speaker 3: just in a laboratory. No, in the real life, in
21:28
Speaker 3: your garden, in your yard, in your kitchen, in your
21:32
Speaker 3: family economy, at your lemonade stand, whatever you're doing, your
21:35
Speaker 3: little family business.
21:37
Speaker 2: You're applying these things as well.
21:38
Speaker 3: So we actually when we stay homeschooling, we actually think
21:42
Speaker 3: of a broader picture of not just not just the books,
21:45
Speaker 3: but how we apply the books in the family economy.
21:48
Speaker 3: We've been talk family economics conferences today. We've sponsored a
21:52
Speaker 3: number of family economists conferences where we say, no, you've
21:54
Speaker 3: got to have a family economy working at the same time.
21:56
Speaker 3: One of the biggest mistakes that people make, Jeremy, is
21:59
Speaker 3: you give a ten year old boy five hours of
22:02
Speaker 3: boring school every day and then if he finishes that,
22:05
Speaker 3: he gets to play computer games for the next eight hours. Okay,
22:09
Speaker 3: that's a huge mistake. That's a recipe for disaster. Don't
22:13
Speaker 3: ever do that with a ten year old boy. It's terrible.
22:15
Speaker 3: He'll be playing games at thirty nine years of age. Okay,
22:19
Speaker 3: we've got to do something different.
22:20
Speaker 2: What do we do.
22:21
Speaker 3: We do the books, we do the academics, and then
22:23
Speaker 3: we follow up with family economy and projects that we're
22:26
Speaker 3: doing in the farm or what have you. Certainly that's
22:29
Speaker 3: a very vital part of a family discipleship.
22:34
Speaker 1: I mean, I was at a public school, and if
22:36
Speaker 1: I think back, it was basically you go to school
22:40
Speaker 1: and you parrot what you have been taught, and then
22:45
Speaker 1: you get marked on how well you can remember what
22:48
Speaker 1: you've been taught. There's nothing beyond that.
22:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out to be a waste of time.
22:54
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of education is babysitting. And
22:58
Speaker 3: because you got to fill the time, you have to feel.
23:01
Speaker 1: The same so that parents can go to work.
23:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and the results are are not good.
23:08
Speaker 3: And we could talk about the social influences. We used
23:10
Speaker 3: to hear this, you know in the early years.
23:12
Speaker 2: Is you home school? What about socialization?
23:15
Speaker 3: Like?
23:16
Speaker 2: What about socialization? And we now most of home schoolers say,
23:20
Speaker 2: and that's another reason we homeschool. Thank you for bringing
23:22
Speaker 2: that up.
23:22
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you you introduced that subject because you
23:26
Speaker 3: know the social interactions they get in the public schools
23:29
Speaker 3: where they be bullying or you know, how to deal
23:32
Speaker 3: with these social crazy conflicts and things that go on
23:35
Speaker 3: in the schoolyard. Okay, you know, Yes, we teach social skills,
23:39
Speaker 3: no question about it. That's what parents are supposed to do.
23:42
Speaker 3: Usually it takes about ten or fourteen years to teach
23:45
Speaker 3: decent social skills in your home. Now, ideally you have
23:48
Speaker 3: a couple of two, three four kids. If you have that,
23:51
Speaker 3: you're going to be teaching social skills every single day.
23:53
Speaker 3: But the most important thing that your children are interacting
23:56
Speaker 3: with adults all the way through. So when I when
24:00
Speaker 3: I graduated from my homeschool, it's interesting. I came Stateside,
24:03
Speaker 3: I went to a large university on the West coast,
24:06
Speaker 3: and in my senior year I was student body president
24:08
Speaker 3: of the university and people like you were homeschooled.
24:11
Speaker 2: Wow, that's really strange.
24:12
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's because my parents raised me with
24:14
Speaker 3: the ability to interact with people who didn't just think
24:17
Speaker 3: and talk and act just like me. I could cross boundaries,
24:21
Speaker 3: age boundaries, ethnic boundaries, etc. You know, on mission field,
24:26
Speaker 3: of course, But I think that helped tremendously. But at
24:29
Speaker 3: the end of the day, we're not socializing our kids
24:33
Speaker 3: in a government socialism system. We're actually raising them in
24:37
Speaker 3: families in which they get used to the family as
24:41
Speaker 3: a basic social structure. And that's very strange to the
24:44
Speaker 3: average person today. But it is a bit of a
24:47
Speaker 3: reconstruction of the social unit of family life, and that
24:52
Speaker 3: certainly is a big part of the homeschool experience. I
24:57
Speaker 3: think it's been extremely healthy for the most part. There
25:00
Speaker 3: are some situations that don't work out as well as others,
25:02
Speaker 3: but it is, I think, re restoring the idea of
25:06
Speaker 3: the nuclear family in an age where there's massive levels
25:10
Speaker 3: of disintegration going on.
25:12
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the most popular responses to
25:16
Speaker 1: the question of homeschooling is socialization. My kid is going
25:20
Speaker 1: to grow up and be a weird loarner.
25:25
Speaker 3: And you know, that's obviously the concern. But if you
25:29
Speaker 3: have multiple children, that help. If you know one child,
25:32
Speaker 3: I can see that's something of an issue, and you'd
25:34
Speaker 3: have to find ways to interact with other kids through
25:38
Speaker 3: sports programs, through community programs, through church programs, et cetera.
25:43
Speaker 3: But within the average family it's not so much an issue,
25:46
Speaker 3: especially again if they have some interaction with the wider
25:49
Speaker 3: community through church and other activities. So, you know, we
25:53
Speaker 3: have not seen that very much. But yeah, occasionally you
25:56
Speaker 3: can say I know a homeschooler and they're weird.
25:58
Speaker 2: We say the same thing. I know public schooler and
26:00
Speaker 2: they're weird.
26:01
Speaker 3: You know, they went into a Columbine high school and
26:03
Speaker 3: shot off seventeen people.
26:06
Speaker 2: That's really weird.
26:07
Speaker 3: But you know, to use anecdotal evidence like that doesn't
26:10
Speaker 3: really help you so much. There have been a number
26:13
Speaker 3: of studies done in socialization found that homeschoolers are equally
26:17
Speaker 3: or better socialized in their counterparts in public and private schools.
26:20
Speaker 3: That's what the studies have shown over the period of
26:23
Speaker 3: like thirty years of studies, not just conducted by people
26:27
Speaker 3: who like homeschooling, but just you know, colleges and universities
26:29
Speaker 3: have done studies and found homeschoolers to actually do very
26:32
Speaker 3: very well. So a study called homeschool Grows Up in
26:34
Speaker 3: which they found homeschoolers were fourteen times more likely to
26:38
Speaker 3: be involved in community activities, political activities, etc. Than their
26:42
Speaker 3: counterparts from public and private schools. So the studies, yeah,
26:46
Speaker 3: definitely don't show that. But the other aspect of socialization
26:50
Speaker 3: is some of the most dangerous things that can happen
26:52
Speaker 3: to a child is to be in with the wrong crowd. Wow,
26:58
Speaker 3: pop culture, peer culture has pretty much dominated the way
27:03
Speaker 3: in which kids grow up today, and it's been I
27:07
Speaker 3: think extremely damaging. Now here's one more thing. The iPhone,
27:11
Speaker 3: the smartphone has changed the game. You think about back
27:15
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety you know where your kids could play
27:17
Speaker 3: with kids down the road and go to a public
27:20
Speaker 3: school or private school, and everybody's watching the same TV
27:23
Speaker 3: shows they're watching them on, you know, with their family
27:25
Speaker 3: in the living room. And if you took that TV,
27:28
Speaker 3: you know, like you wanted your own private little thing
27:30
Speaker 3: where you're watching an X rated or whatever, you couldn't
27:33
Speaker 3: take that into the bathroom with you. You know, that
27:35
Speaker 3: fourteen year old taking the four hundred pound, sorry, two
27:38
Speaker 3: hundred kilogram television to the bathroom crush them to death.
27:41
Speaker 2: You can't do that. You can't have these private, you.
27:44
Speaker 3: Know, entertainment experiences in nineteen ninety but that's all changed
27:48
Speaker 3: in the last fifteen years. People can take those phones anywhere.
27:54
Speaker 3: Kids can can share X rated stuff anytime they want to.
27:58
Speaker 3: You can control the media in your house, but you
28:00
Speaker 3: can't control the media that the other kids on the
28:03
Speaker 3: playground are using. You know, you we as parents need
28:06
Speaker 3: to wake up and smell the napalm in the war,
28:09
Speaker 3: the social wars and the war of the world views. Uh,
28:12
Speaker 3: you know, you got to come awake. There's there's some
28:15
Speaker 3: rough stuff going on out there. And as parents, we
28:18
Speaker 3: have to be more on our game today than ever
28:22
Speaker 3: before because of media.
28:25
Speaker 1: Have no media, and I don't want my kids to
28:29
Speaker 1: learn about the fact that they can, you know, choose
28:32
Speaker 1: the agenda. You know, all this LGBTQ stuff and and
28:36
Speaker 1: all this kind of propaganda that destroys their minds and.
28:41
Speaker 3: It just sucks them right in, Jeremy, I mean right
28:44
Speaker 3: now in America, gen Zers, the young adults in our
28:47
Speaker 3: in our country today, thirty three percent of women are
28:50
Speaker 3: on the LGBTQ spectrum. It's like twenty four percent overall
28:54
Speaker 3: for gen Zers, one percent for the Silent generation, and
28:58
Speaker 3: twenty three percent for the gen z Ers.
29:02
Speaker 2: Now, okay, something happened.
29:05
Speaker 3: Something happened that the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age,
29:08
Speaker 3: blew in hard like a hurricane and just wiped out
29:13
Speaker 3: the gen Z generation, largely through media and through the
29:16
Speaker 3: schools that.
29:17
Speaker 2: Are just just pushing the LGBTQ things so hard. And
29:21
Speaker 2: you know what, it's not as much.
29:23
Speaker 3: The school as it is Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift,
29:26
Speaker 3: I thank people need to understand that it's way more
29:29
Speaker 3: the social media and the pop media that is corrupting
29:33
Speaker 3: the children by orders of magnitude. So yeah, you know,
29:38
Speaker 3: these are reasons why parents are going to have to
29:43
Speaker 3: make different choices in this generation. Jeremy, God, people like
29:47
Speaker 3: you are waking up and they know this is a
29:49
Speaker 3: no brainer.
29:50
Speaker 1: This is a no brainer, Kevin, I don't know what
29:53
Speaker 1: it's like in the US of Yan South Africa. We
29:55
Speaker 1: also have home schools that are not necessarily our home,
30:00
Speaker 1: but it's at somebody else's home where they might have
30:03
Speaker 1: a mom who sits with say three or four kids.
30:07
Speaker 1: Is that considered a homeschool also, well, I.
30:11
Speaker 3: Mean not technically in the legal sense here in the US,
30:14
Speaker 3: so that wouldn't be considered that way. But but but
30:17
Speaker 3: realize that the free market form of education has just
30:20
Speaker 3: been unleashed in our respective countries and people are doing
30:24
Speaker 3: different ways. I'm respecting that. I'm okay with. That doesn't
30:28
Speaker 3: bother me. It's just, you know, there are different ways
30:31
Speaker 3: to do this.
30:32
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you so. One of the reasons
30:34
Speaker 1: is because, and we haven't touched on this, is that
30:37
Speaker 1: parents also work, and so there's there's a conflict. Now,
30:40
Speaker 1: I guess there's a dichotomy that occurs between how much
30:43
Speaker 1: time do you spend with your kid and their education
30:45
Speaker 1: and working to make an income to pay for that.
30:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a massive issue today.
30:53
Speaker 3: Nevertheless, nevertheless, you know, we've run into a homeschooler in Kenya.
30:58
Speaker 3: Kenya homeschool has taken off Kenya, and there's a single
31:01
Speaker 3: mom in Kenya. She makes two hundred dollars per year
31:04
Speaker 3: selling eggs. She borrows curriculum from somebody, and she homeschools
31:09
Speaker 3: her kids in a shack somewhere in Kenya. Okay, if
31:13
Speaker 3: she can do that, maybe we can do something like that. So,
31:19
Speaker 3: you know, Mexico's same thing. I've run into families of five, six,
31:22
Speaker 3: seven kids. They're probably not making much more than one
31:27
Speaker 3: fifth of what we make in a given year, and
31:30
Speaker 3: yet somehow they're able to pull this off. So there's
31:36
Speaker 3: lots of recipes for this too. I mean, moms and
31:38
Speaker 3: dads can share. Sometimes they homeschool in the evening hours.
31:42
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's ways in which you know, this
31:45
Speaker 3: can be done.
31:46
Speaker 1: If you're having a discussion around Korea versus the education
31:50
Speaker 1: of your kids, already there's a problem because that just
31:54
Speaker 1: shows how society has now tuned parents into focusing on
31:58
Speaker 1: the careers before they found means, yeah.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely.
32:03
Speaker 3: And you know, we we like to say seek first
32:05
Speaker 3: the Kingdom of God, is righteousness and all these other
32:08
Speaker 3: things that we added to you. And and so step
32:11
Speaker 3: out in faith, and I honestly, I'm pretty I try
32:13
Speaker 3: to be honest.
32:13
Speaker 2: You know, it's not easy.
32:15
Speaker 3: You're stepping out of the boat. You're walking on water now.
32:18
Speaker 3: So there is a faith element to the things that
32:21
Speaker 3: we do, especially when we take on a significant challenge
32:24
Speaker 3: like this. So so you know a lot of my
32:26
Speaker 3: talks are faith based and just challenging parents to trust God.
32:31
Speaker 3: You know, step out of the boat, let's walk on
32:33
Speaker 3: the water.
32:33
Speaker 2: It's hard, I.
32:34
Speaker 3: Get it, but but this is this is the life
32:38
Speaker 3: we're called to live. And you know, when you're relying
32:41
Speaker 3: on the state, you know, like, hey, I trust the state.
32:43
Speaker 2: They can do everything.
32:44
Speaker 3: They're wonderful, they have incredible schools, they'll do a great job.
32:49
Speaker 3: You know, I think we'd we've come to the realization
32:51
Speaker 3: we can't trust the state with this.
32:54
Speaker 2: I think we understand this now. But the only other option,
32:58
Speaker 2: I think is still to trust God.
33:00
Speaker 3: So, because here's the other thing that's hard on parents, Jeremy,
33:04
Speaker 3: just real quick, it's really hard on parents because what
33:08
Speaker 3: you're doing is probably the most important thing you're going
33:11
Speaker 3: to do in your life. Because you love your kids.
33:14
Speaker 3: You know, you run a batch of cookies, what are
33:16
Speaker 3: you going to do? You throw them away, make another batch.
33:20
Speaker 3: But you run a batch of kids, you can't just
33:22
Speaker 3: throw them away. You know, you get one shot at this.
33:24
Speaker 3: And so I get it. Parents are nervous, and my
33:27
Speaker 3: wife was nervous the whole time. But trust God. And
33:32
Speaker 3: here's the deal. I mean, I come back to this
33:33
Speaker 3: again and again. You know what, Let's just trust what
33:37
Speaker 3: he said in the word. The Bible actually has some
33:40
Speaker 3: wisdom on this. Get some wisdom. Don't trust Marx, don't
33:44
Speaker 3: trust Rousseau, don't trust John Dewey and all the other
33:47
Speaker 3: socialists and Marxists that have destroyed.
33:50
Speaker 2: So much of our world. Trust God. So that's the
33:54
Speaker 2: message that I bring.
33:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get the impression that homeschooning can also be
34:00
Speaker 1: a lot more condensed in terms of the time spent
34:03
Speaker 1: during the day.
34:04
Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh yes, that's one of the first things
34:08
Speaker 3: that families say that just start to home school. You know,
34:11
Speaker 3: when our kids were in school, they were in school
34:13
Speaker 3: for seven hours, came back home and did two hours
34:18
Speaker 3: of school of school work homework nine hours. But when
34:22
Speaker 3: we started the home school, we knocked it out in
34:25
Speaker 3: two hours in the morning and then we could get
34:27
Speaker 3: onto other things. So, yeah, we were saving seven hours,
34:32
Speaker 3: and most of my siblings graduated from high school at
34:35
Speaker 3: fifteen years of age or sixteen fifteen or sixteen years
34:38
Speaker 3: of age, and that's not uncommon. Now with our children,
34:43
Speaker 3: what we've done is we didn't emphasize school work as much.
34:47
Speaker 3: We do the two three four hours a day, but
34:49
Speaker 3: then the rest of the day we're doing other things.
34:51
Speaker 3: We're engaged in family economy. And when we say family economy,
34:55
Speaker 3: all these other projects were working on, including breeding dogs.
34:59
Speaker 3: That was a big thing my my daughters did for
35:01
Speaker 3: a while. They bred all these huskies and beagles and
35:04
Speaker 3: and sell them for five hundred dollars or one thousand dollars.
35:08
Speaker 2: Uh.
35:08
Speaker 3: So we had a lot of projects going on on
35:10
Speaker 3: the side, which which actually enabled them to engage the
35:15
Speaker 3: microeconomy into the macroeconomy quicker and uh and then become
35:20
Speaker 3: pretty successful. And I don't want to boast of my kids,
35:24
Speaker 3: but we're talking about paying off houses, debt free, this.
35:27
Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
35:28
Speaker 3: So you know, our our goal was was not just education,
35:34
Speaker 3: but to prepare them for life.
35:36
Speaker 1: Well, that's a very important point. My wife mentioned the
35:39
Speaker 1: other day that if you think back to public schooling,
35:42
Speaker 1: you don't learn any life skills. Yeah.
35:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, you learn how to get along in a you know,
35:50
Speaker 3: bureaucratic kind of a situation. You figure out how to
35:54
Speaker 3: stand in the lines, You figure how to you know, hurry.
35:57
Speaker 2: Up and wait.
35:58
Speaker 1: And I mean she said that. Yeah, she said to me,
36:00
Speaker 1: I wish my school that taught me just how to
36:02
Speaker 1: do my taxes.
36:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
36:05
Speaker 3: I wrote a book called How the World Runs in
36:07
Speaker 3: Your part in it which we sell we sell in
36:10
Speaker 3: South Africa as well. It's basically preparing a fourteen year
36:12
Speaker 3: old to understand macroeconomy but also microeconomy, how to get
36:16
Speaker 3: a job, how to do well in a job, how
36:18
Speaker 3: to get along with difficult people in the workplace, how
36:21
Speaker 3: to assess value, how to assess quality of your own
36:24
Speaker 3: work as you are working. How to find a good mentor,
36:27
Speaker 3: because mentorship is the only short cut in life. That's
36:29
Speaker 3: another big part of our presentationous and mentorship. Somebody said,
36:33
Speaker 3: there's only one short cut in life, mentorship, and if
36:37
Speaker 3: you can maximize on the principle of mentorship, you will
36:39
Speaker 3: be unbelievably successful in life.
36:42
Speaker 2: It's one of the most.
36:43
Speaker 3: Important but secret principles that not very many people know about.
36:47
Speaker 3: Has almost nothing to do with status schools either, which
36:50
Speaker 3: you know obviously is hard for the academics to come
36:53
Speaker 3: to grips with, but mentorship is absolutely huge if you
36:57
Speaker 3: want to be successful in life.
37:00
Speaker 1: Were homeschooled I think in the sixties and seventies when
37:02
Speaker 1: it wasn't when it wasn't very popular in the US.
37:06
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, thinking thinking back to that time, Kevin, were
37:10
Speaker 1: there any things that you felt like you missed out on?
37:14
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I thought at times I was missing
37:16
Speaker 3: out on something. Grass is always greener on the other
37:20
Speaker 3: side of the fence, I think when I got to
37:22
Speaker 3: the other side of the.
37:23
Speaker 4: Fence, you know, when I got into college, this is boring,
37:27
Speaker 4: this is this is structured, this is this is slow,
37:31
Speaker 4: this is uh, this is easy.
37:35
Speaker 2: I thought most of my college was easy.
37:37
Speaker 3: I like, this is so easy, and I think I
37:41
Speaker 3: learned how to learn. I again, my family wouldn't be
37:43
Speaker 3: exactly the most brilliant people on earth, but but we
37:47
Speaker 3: did all all of the kids did great in school,
37:51
Speaker 3: and we didn't have much in terms of curriculum, you know,
37:54
Speaker 3: because it's a very beginning of the movement, but we
37:58
Speaker 3: were all successful in the things that we set ourselves
38:01
Speaker 3: out to do, and so I, you know, I think
38:04
Speaker 3: those are my impressions after the fact. I think libraries
38:08
Speaker 3: were interesting to me because we didn't have very many books,
38:12
Speaker 3: so libraries were a big thing. So once I came Stateside,
38:16
Speaker 3: I got into libraries and that was like a big thing, like, oh,
38:19
Speaker 3: there's more books out there. But then I come to
38:21
Speaker 3: realize there's a bunch of schlocky books, you know, and
38:24
Speaker 3: a lot of the books are just a waste of time.
38:27
Speaker 3: And so, you know, my parents were pretty specific and
38:30
Speaker 3: the kinds of books that they could find for us,
38:33
Speaker 3: and we're doing the same thing as part of a
38:34
Speaker 3: generation's ministry. We'll do everything we can to find the
38:36
Speaker 3: best books written so that we'd share those with children.
38:41
Speaker 3: So I think those are some of the things that
38:44
Speaker 3: maybe I was a little bit concerned about. But at
38:50
Speaker 3: the end of the day, Wow, my raising was phenomenal.
38:53
Speaker 3: And I look back with lots of good memories, lots
38:56
Speaker 3: of good memories.
38:56
Speaker 2: I had a great mom and dad and.
38:58
Speaker 3: They're still a live they're like in their nineties and
39:03
Speaker 3: they pray for us, and they're like, they love what
39:05
Speaker 3: we're doing, and keep it going, keep going.
39:08
Speaker 2: Well.
39:08
Speaker 1: Homeschooting is obviously seen as a threat to the state
39:11
Speaker 1: in many parts of the world because it's outlawed in
39:15
Speaker 1: many parts of the world.
39:17
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you're seeing that happening in Netherlands right now.
39:20
Speaker 3: I mean, God help those people. I think there's one hundreds,
39:24
Speaker 3: probably maybe a thousand homeschoolers in the Netherlands. They're trying
39:27
Speaker 3: to shut it down, like right now, they just shut
39:31
Speaker 3: it all down in France, Spain, it's getting tougher.
39:34
Speaker 2: England, it's getting tougher.
39:35
Speaker 3: They've shut it down in Sweden, they shut it down
39:37
Speaker 3: in Germany. Yeah, they're doing everything they can in Western Europe.
39:42
Speaker 3: You know, you can do it in Russia. China's tougher.
39:47
Speaker 3: Brazil they're starting to persecute. The first family we know
39:50
Speaker 3: has been i think assigned to six months in jail
39:54
Speaker 3: for homeschooling their child in Brazil. And yet seventy five
39:59
Speaker 3: thousand and kids are being homeschooled in Brazil as we
40:03
Speaker 3: as as far as we know, we've been there down
40:05
Speaker 3: four or five times. We sponsored four or five national
40:07
Speaker 3: conferences in Brazil because we think that could be the
40:11
Speaker 3: second or third largest homeschool population in the World's exciting
40:14
Speaker 3: what's going on in Brazil.
40:15
Speaker 2: And South Africa.
40:17
Speaker 3: The two nations I think are most promising right now
40:20
Speaker 3: are South Africa and Brazil. God help the people in England,
40:23
Speaker 3: God help the people in the Netherlands. The tyrants are
40:27
Speaker 3: shutting them down even as we speak. It's terrible, and
40:30
Speaker 3: I think they're trying to weed out the last Christians,
40:33
Speaker 3: because mostly it's Christians trying to do these kinds of things.
40:36
Speaker 3: There's a few others that still want to be free,
40:38
Speaker 3: maybe in different you know, religion or worldview, but but
40:42
Speaker 3: generally I think they're they're just there. May be you know,
40:44
Speaker 3: a thousand Christians left in the Netherlands, maybe you know
40:48
Speaker 3: five hundred Christians left in France, but whatever is left,
40:52
Speaker 3: they want to be sure that they are gone, gone,
40:55
Speaker 3: gone out of Western Europe. That's that's how committed Western
40:59
Speaker 3: Europe is to a post Christian, anti liberty worldview.
41:02
Speaker 2: It's terrible what's going on there.
41:05
Speaker 1: I can echo what you're saying. I was in Amsterdam
41:07
Speaker 1: just a few years ago and we were traveling around
41:10
Speaker 1: the city and the friend that we were with was
41:13
Speaker 1: showing us empty church off to empty church after they
41:17
Speaker 1: were just museums or bookstores, and I ask to us,
41:19
Speaker 1: said it's terrible. Why is it like this? And very
41:23
Speaker 1: facetiously she said to me, well, it's because we killed God.
41:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And we'll see how that works out for them.
41:34
Speaker 2: We'll see how that works out for them. It's not
41:36
Speaker 2: gonna work out.
41:37
Speaker 3: It's going to be the biggest disaster ever. I have
41:39
Speaker 3: no idea what's going to happen in Western Europe, but
41:41
Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be rough. I think the future does
41:45
Speaker 3: not look good. There's almost no common grace left as
41:49
Speaker 3: I would define, you know, common grace sustaining something, some economy,
41:53
Speaker 3: some liberty, some you know, common grace. It's it's just
41:57
Speaker 3: about gone in all of Europe. So yeah, it's a
42:00
Speaker 3: very very sad situation. And I think the final coup
42:03
Speaker 3: de gras to all the liberty is to abolish printer rights.
42:08
Speaker 3: This is abortion and you know these sorts of things
42:11
Speaker 3: are big deals, absolutely, but you know, your birth rate
42:14
Speaker 3: coming down to one point two, et cetera, and you know,
42:17
Speaker 3: hopeful hoping you'll get enough Muslims into your respective nations
42:20
Speaker 3: to sustain an economy, et cetera. It's just not going
42:23
Speaker 3: to sustain Europe, is da. We say, dead on arrival
42:28
Speaker 3: so so I think we're in the battle for the
42:30
Speaker 3: soul of our respective nations. I really think, you know,
42:35
Speaker 3: if liberty is going to survive, if society is going
42:38
Speaker 3: to survive, family is going to survive, it's not going
42:41
Speaker 3: to work with socialism. If economy is going to survive,
42:44
Speaker 3: it's not worth socialism. We're in the worst debt to
42:46
Speaker 3: GDP ratios in the history of mankind socialism. The problem
42:51
Speaker 3: with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.
42:53
Speaker 3: It's happening, and you give another five years. Social security
42:57
Speaker 3: is belly up here in this country by I think
43:00
Speaker 3: at twenty thirty one, and our dead to GDP ratio
43:05
Speaker 3: is such that it's just I think our economy, our
43:08
Speaker 3: government is unsalvageable economically speaking, So how are we going
43:13
Speaker 3: to sustain?
43:14
Speaker 2: What are we going to do?
43:15
Speaker 3: Foundations, foundations, foundations, restoring family, Restore family, restore family, restore
43:21
Speaker 3: family economy, start building family economy. The only way to
43:24
Speaker 3: restore character. And every economy of any nation is absolutely
43:28
Speaker 3: dependent upon the character of the nation, and the character
43:31
Speaker 3: is absolutely dependent upon parents and homeschooling, home discipleship, families
43:36
Speaker 3: actually investing in their kids year after year, and building
43:41
Speaker 3: a family economy on family character. You do that kind
43:43
Speaker 3: of stuff, you might have a society in twenty thirty.
43:47
Speaker 2: Forty years from now.
43:48
Speaker 1: Friend of mine and his wife, they two kids were
43:53
Speaker 1: in public schooling during COVID, and then when the whole
43:56
Speaker 1: thing went crazy and they locked down and they close
43:59
Speaker 1: the schools, he and his wife decided, not taking our
44:03
Speaker 1: kids out. We're go homeschooling. We're not going to let
44:05
Speaker 1: them put on masks and all this nonsense. They are
44:08
Speaker 1: so much happier now.
44:11
Speaker 2: That happened.
44:12
Speaker 3: That happened to you know, one hundred percent of the
44:16
Speaker 3: American education system for at least, you know, three to
44:20
Speaker 3: six months. But after that, we did get a bump.
44:23
Speaker 3: We saw a bump. We went from I'm going to
44:24
Speaker 3: say about three million to upwards of four million homeschoolers,
44:28
Speaker 3: about a twenty five percent increase inside of a single
44:32
Speaker 3: one or two years during the COVID years. And so
44:36
Speaker 3: that was substantial. Here's one more data point that's helpful
44:39
Speaker 3: for us. We did a survey called the Gen two Survey.
44:45
Speaker 3: We surveyed ten thousand graduates, millennial graduates from public, private,
44:50
Speaker 3: and homeschool compared them on faith issues. But one of
44:53
Speaker 3: the questions we asked, if you were homeschooled, would you
44:57
Speaker 3: homeschool the next generation, and eighty two percent said they
45:01
Speaker 3: would homeschool in the second generation, which means we're going
45:04
Speaker 3: to have an increase of homeschoolers in the second generation,
45:10
Speaker 3: and that second gen is going to give us an
45:13
Speaker 3: additional three four five million child bump, which will take
45:17
Speaker 3: us into the eight million range. My view is, if
45:20
Speaker 3: we can get to twenty thirty percent of the population homeschooled,
45:23
Speaker 3: private schooled, weaned it from the public school, will make
45:26
Speaker 3: a difference. This I think to be the most promising
45:29
Speaker 3: element of salvaging freedom in the next generation. If right
45:33
Speaker 3: now we're at seventeen percent, so uh, and the seven
45:36
Speaker 3: percent has been provided by the increase of homeschoolers since
45:40
Speaker 3: the word you're nineteen eighty okay, So here's what I'm saying.
45:43
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty ten percent we're private schooled. Because of homeschooling,
45:48
Speaker 3: we've ratcheted that up in my country to seventeen percent.
45:52
Speaker 3: My theory is, if I can make that to eighty percent,
45:55
Speaker 3: and that you know that eighty percent rule really is
45:58
Speaker 3: a significant or that twenty percent that rule really is significant.
46:01
Speaker 3: If we can make it to twenty percent private slash
46:04
Speaker 3: homeschool in our country, freedom may have a shot.
46:08
Speaker 2: We may have a shot at.
46:09
Speaker 3: Sustaining the character, to sustain freedom and to somehow stop
46:15
Speaker 3: the erosion of the nation in the years to come.
46:20
Speaker 3: I honestly think this is the battle to fight. I'm
46:22
Speaker 3: saying that because I've been doing this for thirty five years.
46:24
Speaker 3: Jere Mesa, I'm a little bit biased, but I think
46:28
Speaker 3: it's a battle worth fighting. Can we peel off another
46:32
Speaker 3: ten thousand people in South Africa to wean them from
46:37
Speaker 3: the public schools, put them back into private schooling or
46:40
Speaker 3: homeschooling's exceedingly affordable the way we do it. Can we
46:45
Speaker 3: do this and thereby will the faith? Will freedom have
46:49
Speaker 3: a shot at surviving in the next generation.
46:52
Speaker 1: That's interesting. We haven't really spoken about private schooling. Are
46:56
Speaker 1: you suggesting that private schooling is second as it were?
47:02
Speaker 3: Well, in my completely unbiased opinion, I would say, yeah,
47:08
Speaker 3: I think homeschooling is the best.
47:11
Speaker 2: But there again, there are all kinds of hybrids. There
47:14
Speaker 2: are all kinds of hybrids, and so my.
47:18
Speaker 3: View is, if we can get people away from the
47:21
Speaker 3: one size fits all, you know, public school and doctrination system.
47:26
Speaker 3: Then we can start making decisions. Parents can begin to
47:30
Speaker 3: take responsibility.
47:31
Speaker 2: And this is the key.
47:32
Speaker 3: If parents take responsibility, make these decisions for themselves, then
47:37
Speaker 3: freedom will have a shot. And and you know, we'll
47:41
Speaker 3: begin to see parents making decisions that will be the
47:44
Speaker 3: best for their individual situation for their children. And that's
47:48
Speaker 3: what I think we need as far as we're trusting
47:51
Speaker 3: governments to you know, be sure the kids are getting
47:54
Speaker 3: their sex educations done right and their condoms put on
47:57
Speaker 3: straight and LGBTQ and doctrination systems in play. This is
48:02
Speaker 3: going to destroy your kids. Get them away from these systems.
48:07
Speaker 3: Make your own decisions as to how you're going to educate,
48:09
Speaker 3: and and and and look into home at homeschooling. Just
48:13
Speaker 3: definitely look into homeschooling as an option.
48:16
Speaker 1: So private scooting is a gateway to homeschooting, Well, it's.
48:20
Speaker 3: A it's a let's put it this way, homeschooling is
48:22
Speaker 3: a privatized form of education, So we can put it
48:25
Speaker 3: that way. Whereas you know, yeah, private schooling can be expensive.
48:32
Speaker 3: You may not have a pretty solid Christian worldview, and
48:35
Speaker 3: that's important to us. You You may you may have
48:39
Speaker 3: bad social experiences. And this is again a factor that
48:43
Speaker 3: has slipped in in the last twelve years because of
48:46
Speaker 3: privatized media devices. Parents are going to have to understand
48:49
Speaker 3: this that they can control the media, the iPhones, the
48:52
Speaker 3: smartphones in their home, but not every kid in the playground,
48:57
Speaker 3: not every kid in the private school.
48:59
Speaker 2: Uh, there may be rules in.
49:00
Speaker 3: The private school, but you know, different parents have different
49:03
Speaker 3: rules and so forth and so on. The game has changed,
49:06
Speaker 3: and I think Jeremy, for this reason, homeschooling probably needs
49:10
Speaker 3: to be the.
49:10
Speaker 2: First consideration by every parent.
49:13
Speaker 1: And also it sounds cheaper.
49:17
Speaker 3: Well generally, I think it is now especially if you
49:21
Speaker 3: have a family based economy where perhaps someone entrepreneurial, or
49:26
Speaker 3: you're a contract laborer, or you have a telecommuting job,
49:30
Speaker 3: you know, et cetera. We have a lot of those
49:32
Speaker 3: options now here in this country. That being the case,
49:37
Speaker 3: you can save a ton of money. In fact, we
49:38
Speaker 3: did a calculation recently of what it would cost to
49:41
Speaker 3: have an extra car for the job for the mom,
49:45
Speaker 3: pay for a home in a more expensive school district,
49:49
Speaker 3: because you have to find a decent school district, plus
49:53
Speaker 3: a school clothes, plus sports programs, you know, and you
49:56
Speaker 3: start adding all this up. Public schools are supposed to
49:58
Speaker 3: be free. But after doing all all of that, what
50:00
Speaker 3: we discovered was the average price for two children in
50:05
Speaker 3: the public school by all these expenses are going to
50:08
Speaker 3: be more than the median income of the second income
50:11
Speaker 3: person in your family.
50:12
Speaker 2: Does that make sense. I'm trying to explain it the
50:14
Speaker 2: best way I can.
50:15
Speaker 3: But if you add up all these strenuous expenses, it
50:19
Speaker 3: turns out that moms staying home and just homeschooling the
50:23
Speaker 3: kids is going to.
50:23
Speaker 2: Be cheaper well then going with the double income family.
50:27
Speaker 1: Yes, and also you don't have to wake up early
50:29
Speaker 1: and sit in traffic just to get them to school.
50:32
Speaker 2: There's that too.
50:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hadn't calculated that issue or the gas required
50:37
Speaker 3: to do all of that.
50:38
Speaker 1: Now you can, actually you can actually sit and have
50:40
Speaker 1: breakfast together as.
50:41
Speaker 3: A MNY well and think about relationship building, think about
50:46
Speaker 3: you know, opportunity. Now, granted, relationships can be tough, and
50:48
Speaker 3: we always get people the heads up.
50:51
Speaker 2: You bring your kids into the house.
50:52
Speaker 3: You know you have some relational tensions and things that
50:54
Speaker 3: develop and such, but we can work through that if
50:58
Speaker 3: we're under the cross of Jesus, and you know, we
51:00
Speaker 3: can forgive each other and we can work through this.
51:03
Speaker 3: So but relationships are important. Relationships can be extremely helpful.
51:08
Speaker 3: In fact, what we usually say is relationships matter so
51:12
Speaker 3: much that they become one of the most important factors
51:16
Speaker 3: in the success of the education of your children.
51:19
Speaker 2: That's one of the principles, one of the ten principles.
51:21
Speaker 2: An upgrade.
51:24
Speaker 1: It's a very convincing argument that you're making, but you
51:27
Speaker 1: do admit that you're biased. Give me some real criticisms
51:33
Speaker 1: also that yes, that people need to consider, yes.
51:36
Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely. One of the biggest is relationship breakdown. If
51:40
Speaker 3: that can happen, you know, sometimes a little distance with
51:44
Speaker 3: your kids, what people say.
51:45
Speaker 2: But at the same.
51:47
Speaker 3: Time, you know, I believe that we need to work
51:50
Speaker 3: through relational issues and it's all part of life and
51:54
Speaker 3: family is important and the way your kids will turn
51:57
Speaker 3: out in life has everything to do with your relationship
52:01
Speaker 3: with them. That was the biggest issue that came out
52:03
Speaker 3: of the Gentoo survey is that relationships were much closer
52:08
Speaker 3: and much more powerful, and much more influential and tended
52:11
Speaker 3: to lend to way more success in the spiritual element
52:15
Speaker 3: or different parts of your children's future in their future life.
52:18
Speaker 3: That parent child relationship in the teenage years was absolutely crucial,
52:22
Speaker 3: but it can backfire on you.
52:24
Speaker 2: So that's one.
52:25
Speaker 3: Two boys, boys under the mother's oversight and tied into
52:30
Speaker 3: their mother's apron strings for too long.
52:32
Speaker 2: Not good. Not good.
52:35
Speaker 3: I would say the boy issue is probably one of
52:36
Speaker 3: the biggest struggles that has existed, which means that dads
52:40
Speaker 3: need to get more.
52:41
Speaker 2: Engaged and how do they do that.
52:43
Speaker 3: Well, in my case, my son had four sisters and
52:45
Speaker 3: that's it. So dad came back from the corporate world
52:48
Speaker 3: and I actually brought him in with me to work
52:51
Speaker 3: with me, and I basically homeschooled him for the next
52:55
Speaker 3: seven or eight years of his life and the time.
52:56
Speaker 2: He was ten years old till he's eighteen.
52:59
Speaker 3: So yeah, I realized, you know what, just tied to
53:03
Speaker 3: moms and ape and strings probably not healthy.
53:05
Speaker 2: So boys can be a real challenge in the homeschool environment.
53:09
Speaker 3: So and then I would also say just the fact
53:13
Speaker 3: that sometimes parents are lazy, they don't do anything, that
53:16
Speaker 3: could be an issue as well. You could have some
53:19
Speaker 3: fairly dysfunctional families and such.
53:21
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's another thing. How much do
53:24
Speaker 1: you as a parent need to know or how do
53:27
Speaker 1: I mean, how does it actually work? Do you do?
53:28
Speaker 1: You get a curriculum online that you follow.
53:32
Speaker 2: Well, there's all sorts of different approaches.
53:34
Speaker 3: We have all kinds of resources, all kinds of webinars
53:37
Speaker 3: available at generations dot org. Generations dot org as our ministry,
53:43
Speaker 3: and we have probably done thirty or forty webinars and
53:46
Speaker 3: seminars on this available at our website generations dot org.
53:49
Speaker 2: Go to the media section. But it's very much doable.
53:53
Speaker 3: I would say, plug in with a local group what
53:56
Speaker 3: we typically call a support group that could help you
54:01
Speaker 3: with what you're doing. I would encourage you to some
54:06
Speaker 3: of our curriculum. Our curriculum actually provides some real guidelines
54:11
Speaker 3: for parents, schedules and such where children can sign off
54:15
Speaker 3: when they've done each of their lessons. Your big goal,
54:18
Speaker 3: your absolutely most important goal and all of learning, is
54:21
Speaker 3: to be sure your children are good readers. In fact,
54:23
Speaker 3: we did an entire webinar on that it's available online
54:26
Speaker 3: just last week on how to be sure your children
54:29
Speaker 3: will be good readers?
54:30
Speaker 2: How do you do this?
54:31
Speaker 3: Once they're good readers, they're good learners and they can
54:33
Speaker 3: be self learners and then you don't have to spend
54:36
Speaker 3: as much time But sitting beside that child for twenty
54:39
Speaker 3: minutes a day for one year is money in the bank.
54:42
Speaker 3: It's principle that will yield all kinds of wonderful effects
54:46
Speaker 3: for the years to come. The problem with the average
54:48
Speaker 3: school most kids are terrible readers. I've taught in public schools,
54:52
Speaker 3: private schools, even colleges. Most kids are terrible readers. They
54:55
Speaker 3: don't read fluidly, they can't understand basic concepts.
55:00
Speaker 2: Terrible. Why never taught to read?
55:02
Speaker 3: Never had a mom who loved them so much to
55:04
Speaker 3: sit beside them for twenty minutes a day for about
55:07
Speaker 3: nine months, maybe twelve months, and gradually, gradually, gradually they'll
55:11
Speaker 3: learn how to read. If you introduce new material to
55:13
Speaker 3: a child in math, English, et cetera, you're going to
55:16
Speaker 3: have to sit beside them and do one on one instruction. Again,
55:20
Speaker 3: a very important principle in successful education. Problem with a
55:23
Speaker 3: teacher one on thirty can't teach them to read one
55:25
Speaker 3: on thirty impossible, impossible, It cannot be done. So these
55:30
Speaker 3: are the most liberating, most powerful principles in the education
55:33
Speaker 3: of a child. And yeah, you might be able to
55:36
Speaker 3: delegate some things, but wow, the core issues, the core
55:40
Speaker 3: matters is what you do when.
55:42
Speaker 2: You sit beside that child and teach them how to read.
55:46
Speaker 1: What do you think will be the influence, good or
55:49
Speaker 1: bad on homeschooling with AI?
55:56
Speaker 2: It's a good question.
55:57
Speaker 3: I honestly think it'll affect the rest of the society,
56:00
Speaker 3: probably worse than what you find in a nuclear family
56:04
Speaker 3: that's integrated and where we realize it's not just the head,
56:08
Speaker 3: but it's heart and hands. At the end of the day,
56:12
Speaker 3: the full person must be educated emotionally, spiritually, physically, intellectually,
56:19
Speaker 3: all of.
56:19
Speaker 2: That all at the same time.
56:21
Speaker 3: There's an integrated, holistic approach to the discipleship slash education
56:25
Speaker 3: of a child. And you can't just reduce it to
56:29
Speaker 3: AI sitting there and pumping facts into your head. AI
56:32
Speaker 3: can pretend to give you the emotional guidance in the process,
56:35
Speaker 3: and we all know that's stupid. You know you get
56:39
Speaker 3: your AI trying to give you some emotional guidance.
56:42
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
56:44
Speaker 3: The AI cannot cannot get to the existential, It cannot
56:48
Speaker 3: get to the heart, cannot get.
56:49
Speaker 2: To the existential.
56:50
Speaker 3: It can get to the intellectual, but not the existential,
56:53
Speaker 3: the motive, et cetera, et cetera. And that can only
56:55
Speaker 3: happen in discipleship, in relational discipleship, in the context of
57:00
Speaker 3: a home, or even with a teacher who relationally connects
57:04
Speaker 3: and mentors that child.
57:05
Speaker 2: So so that's it.
57:07
Speaker 3: You can't get past this if you're going to produce
57:11
Speaker 3: a quality form of taking a two year old and
57:14
Speaker 3: raising them into an adult that is emotionally, spiritually, physically,
57:18
Speaker 3: intellectually ready for life and for eternity.
57:22
Speaker 1: Okay, but on a practical level, could AI make homescooting easier? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Course you yes, oh, yes, of course, of course. Everything
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Speaker 3: online has helped if you do it the right way, right,
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Speaker 3: You've got to be wise in the application of it.
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Speaker 2: Be careful.
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Speaker 3: Don't give a chainsaw to a two year old and
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Speaker 3: le him run around the house with a chainsaw. Don't
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Speaker 3: give him an iPhone, don't give him AI, right, I mean,
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Speaker 3: don't be stupid.
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Speaker 2: It's a tool. It's a tool.
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Speaker 3: But if he's running around the house with the chainsaw
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Speaker 3: whacking everything, no, no, no, don't do that.
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Speaker 2: So we have to use the tools rightly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, quick, you give me some of your upcoming
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Speaker 1: to a dates.
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Speaker 3: Well, we're headed into South Africa in September, and I'm
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Speaker 3: excited about the whole We're going to so many.
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Speaker 2: Towns I can't even remember right now. Can you give
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Speaker 2: me a sec I know I know some of them.
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Speaker 3: Can you say where I'm going, because I can't remember
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Speaker 3: everything where everywhere I'm going.
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Speaker 2: I'm starting in Pretoria. We're going to Cape Town, We're
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Speaker 2: going to George, we got man. We got a huge
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Speaker 2: agenda here. Yes, all of that.
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Speaker 1: And uh and since this is for UK column, are
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Speaker 1: you heading to the UK any tom soon?
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Speaker 2: I sure hope so. But so far I've not been invited.
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Speaker 3: Can you imagine that I've got a great message, but
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Speaker 3: they're not bringing me into the UK. He somebody needs
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Speaker 3: to slip me into the UK. Okay, just don't tell
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Speaker 3: the authorities. And I'd be more than happy to present
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Speaker 3: in somebody's living room. That's probably the best I'll ever do.
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Speaker 3: But if I can get into the UK, I could
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Speaker 3: present this message in somebody's living room.
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Speaker 1: You've said it a few times to the conversation. But
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Speaker 1: for the last time, give me a website that somebody
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Speaker 1: can go to.
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Speaker 3: Right generations dot ORGI is our website. We've got a
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Speaker 3: daily radio broadcast. I've been working on for twenty two years.
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Speaker 3: And a Worldview Update where we give you updates on
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Speaker 3: what's going on in the Netherlands in terms of family
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Speaker 3: freedoms and what's happening from a biblical perspective around the world,
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Speaker 3: our country, South Africa, everywhere. It's a daily five minute
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Speaker 3: news program called theworldde dot com on the front page
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Speaker 3: of Generations dot org. Plus we've got twelve years of
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Speaker 3: curriculum available as well. We have a South Africa website
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Speaker 3: which I think you can access from generations dot org.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, be sure to connect with us for the
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Speaker 3: upcoming tour given Swansen.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Good to be with you. Jeremy