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FAN FORUM: Lifelong fans weigh in on Angels owner, GM, star players, more · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, hey angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory.
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Speaker 2: I am Mike D.
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Speaker 1: Giovanna, former Early Times Baseball writer and host of the show,
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Speaker 1: and in an effort to incorporate the perspective of fans
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Speaker 1: on Halo Territory, we brought back Breezy Nolan and Tyler Rios,
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Speaker 1: who have both been on the show before. Guys, welcome back.
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Speaker 1: How you guys doing today?
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Speaker 3: Doing great? Another beautiful.
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Speaker 2: So Breezy.
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Speaker 1: Breezy is a long time season ticket holder and fan.
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Speaker 1: They're both in their early to mid thirties, so that'll
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Speaker 1: give you sort of a time reference. Tyler is also
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Speaker 1: the assistant coach and assistant coach at Orange Coast College.
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Speaker 1: So let's get right into it, guys. A lot has
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Speaker 1: changed in the last two two and a half weeks.
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Speaker 1: Trade deadline came and jeez, it was seven big years went,
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Speaker 1: Seven Big leaders traded for nine prospects at the trade
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Speaker 1: deadline by interim GM John mosey Lock and a week
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Speaker 1: or so later, three all three pitching coaches, including highly
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Speaker 1: respected veteran Mike Maddox were fired. First question for both
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Speaker 1: of you, I will start with you, Breezy, on the
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Speaker 1: scale of optimism and pessimistic pessimism. What are you feeling
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Speaker 1: right now in terms of the short term and long
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Speaker 1: term future this franchise.
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Speaker 4: I think that this was a good strategic move on
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Speaker 4: Arty's part to give people like a little bit of
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Speaker 4: hope for the rest of the season. I think it
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Speaker 4: was more so just like a business move on his
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Speaker 4: part to somehow generate sales, because every game I've gone
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Speaker 4: to this past week, like unless there's a really big giveaway,
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Speaker 4: it is empty in the stands. And obviously I know
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Speaker 4: that already really cares about money, and so I think
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Speaker 4: it was like his his way of just trying to
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Speaker 4: get people in the seats. As far as like the
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Speaker 4: rest of the future of the Angels, like, I feel
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Speaker 4: pretty much the exact same. As long as Arti Marino
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Speaker 4: is still the owner of the Angels, We're in the
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Speaker 4: exact same position that we were before the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: Wow, how about you, ty?
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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, of course, you know, you see some
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Speaker 5: of the trades that happen, you know, it always starts
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Speaker 5: right down on the farm or with the youth of
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Speaker 5: the organization. So I mean it's it's of course nice
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Speaker 5: to see, you know. I think I may have said
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Speaker 5: it before, but you know it was different. So of
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Speaker 5: course different means change. Whether that's good or bad, it
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Speaker 5: really doesn't matter. I mean, it's been going bad, so
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Speaker 5: it is what it is. Uh But at the same time, yeah,
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Speaker 5: I mean with with Breezy for for sure. You know,
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Speaker 5: as long as as Artie's you know, the owner of
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Speaker 5: the of the Angels, I don't I don't know how
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Speaker 5: much better it it really is going to get.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: It's unfortunate, of.
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Speaker 5: Course, especially from the baseball standpoint, you know, but you know, realistically,
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Speaker 5: it is what it is.
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Speaker 6: We're gonna have to get back to.
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Speaker 5: I mean, some of the young guys I of course
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Speaker 5: follow all the Halos pages, but you know, some of
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Speaker 5: the young guys are playing, are playing pretty well down there,
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Speaker 5: you know, and it's kind of refreshing to see, you know,
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Speaker 5: so hopefully, you know, it's something that comes back and quickly,
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Speaker 5: of course, But at the same time, we've been rushing
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Speaker 5: our players up there and it's been taking some time
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Speaker 5: and people get, you know, upset because they don't perform
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Speaker 5: right away.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, learn learning.
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Speaker 5: Baseball is hard, you know, in general, you know, trying
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Speaker 5: to do it at the big league level.
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Speaker 6: You know, I can't even imagine, right.
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Speaker 5: So realistically, you know, it's something to where Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 5: I'm it's definitely optimistic, but.
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Speaker 7: It's gonna be tough. And as long as I was
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Speaker 7: at the top.
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Speaker 1: What are our first impressions of the one guy who
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Speaker 1: did come right to the big leagues? Moiss Bilosteros, the Moballer.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, he's got a great nickname and
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Speaker 1: he's only twenty two years old. Tie of you from
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Speaker 1: what you've seen the five at the plate in the box?
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Speaker 2: Uh, what are you seeing there? Yeah?
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Speaker 5: You know, uh, very very baseball like stature, right, big
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Speaker 5: huge guy, No, not at all, but somewhere somewhere, you know,
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Speaker 5: I think if if you see him, see him in
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Speaker 5: the box, he you know, has a has a leg kick.
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Speaker 6: It's kind of big, kind of long.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 6: I don't think it's amounted to so many struggles.
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Speaker 5: Of course he has, you know, tons of talent, but
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Speaker 5: but yeah, I think it's it's just from the short
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Speaker 5: sample size that I've been able to see. You know,
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Speaker 5: I try to watch as many games as possible. Uh,
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Speaker 5: sometimes it gets really tough, but realistically, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 5: just kind of kind of big there. I he has
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Speaker 5: thrown some guys off behind the plate, you know, I
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Speaker 5: like it, and I shortened compact their great arm. But yeah,
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Speaker 5: well we'll have to see how it goes. Like I said,
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Speaker 5: learning baseball is tough. I can't imagine at the big
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Speaker 5: league level to to try to get in there and then,
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Speaker 5: you know, prove something at the same time, you know,
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Speaker 5: show that you're you're supposed to be here, which you know,
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Speaker 5: we can get into a.
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Speaker 7: Whole spiral of that as well with the player, but realistic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, I was surprised he's got a
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Speaker 1: really significant leg kick. The Cubs were in town earlier
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Speaker 1: this year and I did not remember that leg kick.
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Speaker 1: I remember him hitting a lot of balls hard, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't remember the leg kick for some reason. Doesn't
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Speaker 1: cut down on it with two strikes either, which was
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Speaker 1: a little surprised. Breezy, how you how are you feeling
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Speaker 1: about Moball or is he? Is he the Halo's Catcher
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Speaker 1: of the Future or d h of the Future or
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Speaker 1: maybe both.
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Speaker 4: I love him. He has good energy, definitely on the bandway,
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Speaker 4: kind of getting a hoppy out.
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Speaker 3: So the fact that we were able to.
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Speaker 4: Raise him with someone of you know, this amount of
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Speaker 4: talent I think is really really exciting. Like Tyler was saying, like,
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Speaker 4: I've seen him throw people out, which Logan had a
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Speaker 4: really hard time doing, so that automatically was a win.
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Speaker 4: And I've the games that I have seen him catching
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Speaker 4: the ABS system like when he he has like a
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Speaker 4: pretty good.
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Speaker 3: Read so far.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what his stats are, but I've been
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Speaker 4: to and I've seen that he's called he's he's been
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Speaker 4: right every time, and that I think is a really
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Speaker 4: big and impressive thing, all right.
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Speaker 8: And.
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Speaker 1: Which and yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a bad first catcher.
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Speaker 1: Mark Trumbull, my co hosts and I've talked on a
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Speaker 1: show last week about how his physique will affect him
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Speaker 1: moving forward. He's a big boy, There's no getting around that.
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Speaker 1: I do worry if I'm the Ames a little bit,
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Speaker 1: if he's, you know, not able to lose a few pounds,
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Speaker 1: that he might be limited to only catching fifty sixty
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Speaker 1: games a year. You'd like your catcher to at least
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Speaker 1: catch half, if not one hundred games. I don't think
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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to be cal rally last year
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Speaker 1: catching one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty. It
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Speaker 1: seems a little crazy, but anytime you can have that
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Speaker 1: kind of bat behind the plate, I think as a
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Speaker 1: two way player, it's going to be a huge benefit
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Speaker 1: to the Angels. So we're gonna turn our attention to
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Speaker 1: John mozaylock the interim GM and John had a pretty
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Speaker 1: busy trade deadline, and I want to bring up this
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Speaker 1: tweet that Breezy actually wrote in the wake of the
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Speaker 1: trade deadline. Imagine if this is our GM when we
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Speaker 1: had Showy and she's referring obviously to twenty twenty three
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Speaker 1: when the Angel probably not probably they should have traded
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Speaker 1: Showy with tany man they could have. They could have
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Speaker 1: taken a giant lead forward on the rebuild that they
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Speaker 1: just started. What did you sort of what were you
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Speaker 1: what was behind that tweet?
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Speaker 2: Breezy?
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Speaker 1: And how do we feel about John? You know, mo
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Speaker 1: maybe staying here a long term. He's what I see
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Speaker 1: as a guy who's making a lot of moves, who
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's gonna leave in December. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's just me, but would you like to see
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Speaker 1: him stay beyond December in some capacity?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I've heard that he was. That's why
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Speaker 4: he came like it wasn't. For just the rest of
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Speaker 4: the season, I've been hearing that, you know, he was
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Speaker 4: definitely the guy up next in line, and that Albert
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Speaker 4: Pooholds his name is getting tossed around to be the
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Speaker 4: GA or to be the manager, and you know, I
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Speaker 4: don't know. Everything is always talk, but as far as
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Speaker 4: the tweek goes, I was just trying to get aroused
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Speaker 4: out of everybody.
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 4: There's no world in which anything would have changed as
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Speaker 4: long as Artie Marina was the owner. And it doesn't
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Speaker 4: matter who was sitting there telling him like no, you
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Speaker 4: need to trade show hey, Like he wasn't gonna get it.
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Speaker 3: I just you know, the.
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Speaker 4: Possibilities are obviously crazy to still think about today of
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Speaker 4: what our organization could be like today if show what
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Speaker 4: we would be in such a different place, and so
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Speaker 4: you know, it always gets a big rise out of
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Speaker 4: Twitter people when you bring It's just it was an
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Speaker 4: exciting day to see that we had a GM come
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Speaker 4: in and like.
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Speaker 3: Fully go full throttle.
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Speaker 4: I didn't get to see the interview with Mike Trout,
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Speaker 4: but I saw like little clips here and there where
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Speaker 4: he was like, you know, he came in and he
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Speaker 4: asked Trout what does he think? And I thought that
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Speaker 4: that was really cool. You know, go to Trout and
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Speaker 4: ask him. He's the only person that's really been there
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Speaker 4: through it all and knows since has seen what is
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Speaker 4: really going on, you know, so I really liked that.
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Speaker 4: I hope he stays all right.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to Hitlo Territory with Breezy Nolan, Tyler
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Speaker 1: Rilis and Mike Di Giovanna. Wel tie, we will go
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Speaker 1: to you. How are you feeling about Mo as the GM?
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Speaker 1: Would you like to see him stay on in some
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Speaker 1: capacity after his contract expires in December.
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Speaker 5: I would definitely love to see him stay on, you know,
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Speaker 5: past the contract. I mean realistically, you know, you could
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Speaker 5: take a look at his you know, his resume, you know, again,
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Speaker 5: a baseball guy that understand what needs to be done
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Speaker 5: to succeed organizationally, realistically, you know, also being able to.
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Speaker 6: You know, have some relation with players.
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Speaker 5: Like I mean, being able to be the GM with
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Speaker 5: aubertpoolholtst there right through the prime of his career. And
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Speaker 5: then you know, obviously I don't want to say the
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Speaker 5: back end of Trout's you know, career, but later on
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Speaker 5: in Trout's career, you know, being able to be around
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Speaker 5: another player like that, that has meant so much to
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Speaker 5: that to the organization. You know, it's it's something where
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Speaker 5: if you get that type of mind in to the organization,
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Speaker 5: it you know, in a good way, infiltrates it and
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Speaker 5: starts to make it so that we can bring the
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Speaker 5: youth up, bring the prospects up, hopefully have some type
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Speaker 5: of standard. You know, I'm not saying that they don't now,
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Speaker 5: but you know, a different standard and how we do
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Speaker 5: it nowadays, and this is how it's going to be done.
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Speaker 6: You know. That's that's a huge thing when it.
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Speaker 5: Comes whether it's a program in college or like I said,
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Speaker 5: a professional organization to have some type of baseball mind
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Speaker 5: like that, you know, to to help say what what
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Speaker 5: needs to be done. I mean again, he has experience,
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Speaker 5: he has a resume, he knows what he's doing. So
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Speaker 5: you know, to have somebody that it's not a first
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Speaker 5: first year GM or first time job, you know, it's
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Speaker 5: kind of relieving it in terms of a fans perspective
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Speaker 5: for sure.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of first time ors Kurt Suzuki. We both
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Speaker 1: you both mentioned Albert Poolhols as a potential manager, and
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Speaker 1: we brought him up on the show as well. What
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Speaker 1: are your guys assessment and a Kurt this year? Does
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Speaker 1: he have the managerial chops to stick in the job
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Speaker 1: or do you guys think.
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Speaker 2: The Angels need a new manager next year?
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Speaker 1: Breezy shaking her head already.
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Speaker 4: No, I don't want to see Kurtzuzuki be a manager
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Speaker 4: for my team ever. Again, I think that he is
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Speaker 4: probably a really, really nice guy, and he just seems
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Speaker 4: like an absolute pushover. I've seen the Angels have so
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Speaker 4: many managers at this point, and like the ones who
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Speaker 4: are quiet and almost mouse like, like, the players just
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Speaker 4: seem like they don't really respect them.
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Speaker 3: I also think that.
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Speaker 4: Now that we're in a full rebuild, like we need
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Speaker 4: somebody who and as much as I think Albert Pooles's
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Speaker 4: name is getting thrown around, like I do believe that
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Speaker 4: we need somebody who has done this a lot. Like
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Speaker 4: I was excited about Ron Washington for a you know,
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Speaker 4: a lot of reasons, but he is so well respected
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Speaker 4: by players, Like That's what I think that this organization needs.
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Speaker 4: If we're going to be in a full rebuild, like
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Speaker 4: you need somebody that is going to be harsh yet
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Speaker 4: well respected. And I think that that's like a big
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Speaker 4: reason why Zach Netto has probably fallen off a lot.
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Speaker 4: You know, last year he was really good under Ron Washington,
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Speaker 4: who constantly was out there working with the guys, like
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Speaker 4: I personally do not see Kurtzuzuki doing that in any way,
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Speaker 4: shape or form. I think they maybe hired him on
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Speaker 4: to help Logan Ohoppy that clearly didn't help, didn't work.
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Speaker 4: So I would definitely like to see our manager be
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Speaker 4: someone who is much more focused on the infield. Again,
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Speaker 4: I think that it's such a young group of really
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Speaker 4: really to talented guys and they deserve it.
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Speaker 2: Tyler, what do you say?
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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I completely agree. You know, I was
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Speaker 5: a huge fan of Ron Washington. Of course, I'm an
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Speaker 5: infield coach, so you know that is something where I
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Speaker 5: take a lot of pride in it most infield coaches,
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Speaker 5: do you know, just so to see that, Yeah, Breezy,
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Speaker 5: it is something where uh you know, now you're talking
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Speaker 5: about like relationship with players, right, Like you said, he's
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Speaker 5: Ron Washington's there. You see Zach Nettle kind of sprout
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Speaker 5: a little bit. Of course, Ron Washington is you know,
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Speaker 5: one of the if not the guru you know of
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Speaker 5: course for infield play. So you know, you do obviously
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Speaker 5: have that sense of all right now I'm really you know,
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Speaker 5: going to be able to learn and and it's as
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Speaker 5: I'm going through the coaching process and things like that.
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Speaker 6: It's it's about them understanding like what they really can do.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Zach Netto is still young, young kid too.
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Speaker 5: I know, you know, we're probably gonna get more into
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Speaker 5: him little bit later. But you know, like I said,
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Speaker 5: you're talking about the relatelationships that managers and coaches have
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Speaker 5: with their players that really, you know, changes the way
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Speaker 5: they go about things. You know, for sure, like you said,
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Speaker 5: if if there's guys that don't put in the work,
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Speaker 5: you know, coaches, players, then yeah, you kind of start
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Speaker 5: to you know, see yourself fall down into that that
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Speaker 5: you know, slippery slope realistically. But you know, once you
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Speaker 5: get a coach in there that kind of understands how
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Speaker 5: you do it, how you play, how to communicate with you.
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Speaker 5: You know, not everybody's the same either, so understanding how
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Speaker 5: to communicate with you and then understanding how to communicate
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Speaker 5: with your peers and teammates.
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Speaker 7: It really plays a huge factor, you know, into that
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Speaker 7: as well.
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Speaker 5: So, you know, I think that being a first year manager,
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Speaker 5: you know, it's hard to fully criticize. But at the
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Speaker 5: same time, there are baseball plays and things like that
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Speaker 5: that I I and moves that I personally believe if
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Speaker 5: you're you know, in the game and you know it,
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Speaker 5: which I know he does.
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Speaker 6: But you know, making the.
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Speaker 7: Decisions and choices is also hard.
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Speaker 5: So you know, at the same time, I would love
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Speaker 5: to see somebody a little bit more experienced that can
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Speaker 5: you know, guide these guys and the younger, you know,
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Speaker 5: youth through the organization and through the major league process.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've made my feelings about Kurt very clear, and
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Speaker 1: for the record, Breezy, he's an extremely nice guy.
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Speaker 2: That is not an issue.
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Speaker 1: I feel he's sometimes too nice in terms of the
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Speaker 1: handling of some of the things we saw earlier, especially
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Speaker 1: earlier in the season. But I'm not sure he's the
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Speaker 1: right guy moving forward for this team. One guy we
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Speaker 1: haven't really brought up his name. You talked about the
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Speaker 1: importance of having a guy he's done it before. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if there's any way to get him out
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Speaker 1: of his contract. But skip Schumacher. The Rangers manager is
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Speaker 1: an Orange County guy, grew up here. I know he
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Speaker 1: loves it out here. He probably you know, he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: say this on the record. I talked to him when
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Speaker 1: the Rangers were in town last week, not about this specifically,
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Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear he loves Orange County. And if
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Speaker 1: this opportunity were to arise somehow, who knows, maybe the
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Speaker 1: Rangers will fall flat on their faces and he gets fired.
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Speaker 1: You just don't know what's gonna happen over these last
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Speaker 1: few weeks. But keep that name in the back of
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Speaker 1: your head.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: You brought up zach Netto.
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Speaker 1: He's been a lightning rod uh for criticism and praise,
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Speaker 1: uh for criticism, for his inconsistent play. And then there's
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Speaker 1: plenty of people, UH who believe he's, you know, a
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Speaker 1: franchise type player, a guy you want to build around,
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Speaker 1: a perennial All star. Sometimes he's both of those things
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Speaker 1: in the same night. Where do you guys stand on
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Speaker 1: the mercurial shortstop? Should should the Angels build around him?
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Speaker 1: Or should they look to trade him? And you know,
18:32
Speaker 1: continue a pretty significant rebuild by doing so this winter Wheelink.
18:36
Speaker 4: Breezy, I wore my Neme Zach Meadow t shirt.
18:44
Speaker 2: So you're as Zach Meto guy. Huh yeah, all right.
18:51
Speaker 4: I Like I was just saying, uh, you know, when
18:54
Speaker 4: I saw him under Ron Washington, it felt like a
18:57
Speaker 4: completely different player. And and I also think that his
19:02
Speaker 4: interviews have been really telling with how he's been feeling
19:05
Speaker 4: about the coaching staff and also the trade deadline. Like
19:10
Speaker 4: these things are and like what Tyler was saying with
19:13
Speaker 4: the trade deadline and nobody really knowing you know, what's
19:17
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen and where they're going to be. And
19:20
Speaker 4: I understand, like you have to say like, oh you
19:22
Speaker 4: need to be professional about it, blah blah blah blah blah.
19:24
Speaker 3: But like these people got moved up so.
19:27
Speaker 4: Fast, Nolan Shanawell, Zach Knata, Like I mean, so many
19:31
Speaker 4: of our players have just completely skipped over, you know,
19:36
Speaker 4: being in the minor league system. And I don't know,
19:41
Speaker 4: Like I just I have a lot of I have
19:45
Speaker 4: a lot of faith that if the right person came
19:47
Speaker 4: in and actually worked with him the way Ron Washington
19:52
Speaker 4: was working with him, I think he is someone that
19:56
Speaker 4: we absolutely should not like go of no way. I
20:00
Speaker 4: think that would be another big like show heyo tany moment.
20:03
Speaker 4: Obviously I'm not saying he's like showyo Tony, but like
20:06
Speaker 4: one of the or you he goes off, it's like
20:08
Speaker 4: a Brandon marsh moment. There you go, that's a better
20:11
Speaker 4: way of putting Brandon Marshcott moved over to the Phillies
20:15
Speaker 4: and look at him now, like under the right coaching staff,
20:18
Speaker 4: someone came in this season, saw what he was doing wrong,
20:21
Speaker 4: corrected his swing, and he's crushing it, you know, Like
20:24
Speaker 4: I think that's all Jack needs, and and some stability,
20:29
Speaker 4: right like knowing that this organization is in a rebuild
20:33
Speaker 4: around him, Like what a level of confidence that would
20:36
Speaker 4: bring to somebody.
20:37
Speaker 1: So should be noted that the Angels did acquire a
20:41
Speaker 1: very good young shortstop prospect in the Soriano deal with
20:44
Speaker 1: the Blue Jayson in the Mall. Yeah, had a pretty
20:47
Speaker 1: good debut.
20:47
Speaker 2: I guess he.
20:49
Speaker 1: Got a cut on his hand or something and he's
20:51
Speaker 1: been out for a little bit. But Tyler, are you
20:54
Speaker 1: you team Zach Nettar or what where are you standing
20:58
Speaker 1: on this?
20:58
Speaker 5: Uh?
21:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know I don't wanted to get it twisted.
21:02
Speaker 5: I know, the last time I was on the podcast,
21:04
Speaker 5: it was a little bit more harsh. Uh, you know,
21:07
Speaker 5: feel against Netto. That that is completely coming from a
21:11
Speaker 5: guy who who loves Zach Netto in terms of the
21:13
Speaker 5: way he plays, uh, you know, and what he can
21:15
Speaker 5: bring to the Angels, what he has brought to the Angels. Realistically,
21:20
Speaker 5: that's it, you know, It's it's more of we we
21:23
Speaker 5: know what you can do. You know, there's a little
21:25
Speaker 5: bit of flash there once in a while, which that's
21:27
Speaker 5: totally fine, you know, but yeah, yeah, I think these
21:31
Speaker 5: this past season and some of the struggles that he
21:34
Speaker 5: has gone through, nothing too crazy. But you know, of
21:37
Speaker 5: course we could bring up the one big number, right
21:40
Speaker 5: the strikeouts. It is kind of tough because you know,
21:45
Speaker 5: in I want to say, in the college level, at
21:48
Speaker 5: the college level, like you were trying to teach guys
21:52
Speaker 5: to to be as consistent as possible. Right, So again,
21:56
Speaker 5: I know we're talking about major league level college level,
22:00
Speaker 5: but realistically baseball is still done the same way and
22:05
Speaker 5: if you're if you're really trying to to play your game,
22:08
Speaker 5: you know, Zach Nett, I'm not going to say, like
22:10
Speaker 5: take the power away.
22:11
Speaker 6: He's he's for.
22:12
Speaker 5: Sure a twenty twenty, twenty five, twenty five, you know,
22:16
Speaker 5: even more than that. But realistically, those those come when
22:19
Speaker 5: you have the correct mindset and the correct mentality. Yes,
22:23
Speaker 5: it's probably been tough, more tough this year because he
22:26
Speaker 5: did have a good, really good relationship with Ron Washington
22:29
Speaker 5: and that's kind of gone. So now you're trying to
22:32
Speaker 5: feel out a new coach, especially, you know, think about
22:34
Speaker 5: this a manager that you actually played with, right and
22:38
Speaker 5: now you're playing four. So that's also a different type
22:42
Speaker 5: of dynamic as well. You know, who knows what the
22:45
Speaker 5: how they've gone about it behind closed doors. You know,
22:47
Speaker 5: it could be hey, man, you know, I'm your manager now,
22:50
Speaker 5: so we were not this you know, same, or it
22:52
Speaker 5: could be a total friend relationship to which may not
22:55
Speaker 5: always benefit the player either, you know, So it just
22:58
Speaker 5: all depends on on that. We obviously don't don't really
23:01
Speaker 5: know much of that, but yeah, you know, I I
23:04
Speaker 5: think that he'll look back at it. You know, he's
23:07
Speaker 5: he wants to be the best at obviously his position,
23:11
Speaker 5: what he does, but every time he steps on the field,
23:13
Speaker 5: so he's gonna look back at it and probably make
23:15
Speaker 5: some adjustments.
23:16
Speaker 7: He's capable of it.
23:17
Speaker 5: He came up with the lake kick, you know when
23:19
Speaker 5: he first got here and obviously you know, was shortening
23:21
Speaker 5: it up with two strikes, and then he ended up
23:24
Speaker 5: figuring or getting onto something and was like, now you
23:27
Speaker 5: know what, I'm gonna take it away totally now, you know.
23:30
Speaker 6: So he's he's capable of making the adjustments.
23:32
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, what feels comfortable and what ends up
23:35
Speaker 5: happening is of course up to him, for sure.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to HLO territory with Breezy Noan, Tyler
24:48
Speaker 1: Rios and Mike DG.
24:49
Speaker 2: Vonna Well, I've gon.
24:51
Speaker 1: Catch a little heat the last few days for my
24:53
Speaker 1: take on Nolan Shana Well from last week. I basically said,
24:58
Speaker 1: I think he's a really nice bat ball skills guy,
25:01
Speaker 1: hits for average, you know, not very fast. He can't
25:05
Speaker 1: be a leadoff guy, I thought, you know, I basically
25:07
Speaker 1: said he'd be a really nice number seven hitter on
25:10
Speaker 1: a good team that needs a first baseman. And then
25:16
Speaker 1: Nolan goes and have what is a four RB night
25:18
Speaker 1: four RBI night against the Royals on Friday, and then
25:22
Speaker 1: he has a game winning hit on Saturday. It's like,
25:24
Speaker 1: we need contact. We don't need all these launch angle guys.
25:28
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there's not a place for Nolan
25:30
Speaker 1: Shallowell on this team, but I just feel like if
25:33
Speaker 1: he's not going to hit for any power, they need
25:36
Speaker 1: to be upgrade a little.
25:37
Speaker 2: And I did get an.
25:39
Speaker 1: Interesting comment from a fan on x and he said,
25:45
Speaker 1: Nolan is Casey Kochman two point oh. Now, I don't
25:48
Speaker 1: know if you guys were old enough to remember Casey Kachman.
25:51
Speaker 1: He was a first baseman in the early two thousands.
25:53
Speaker 1: Left handed as Nolan was decent defensive player, not a
25:58
Speaker 1: goal glover, very little speed, very good contact skills, not
26:02
Speaker 1: a lot of power. Cot Shit two seventy four with
26:05
Speaker 1: a seven sixty two ops and about five seams with
26:08
Speaker 1: the Angels averaged ten or twelve homers a year sixty
26:11
Speaker 1: five to seventy five RBIs a year Nolan two sixty
26:16
Speaker 1: four with a seven thirty ops in his three plus
26:19
Speaker 1: years of the Angels averaging about you know, he is
26:23
Speaker 1: like a ten to twelve homer guy with forty five
26:25
Speaker 1: to fifty five are RBIs. So no one has a
26:28
Speaker 1: better on base than Kachman. Did Kachman hit for a
26:30
Speaker 1: little more power. But it's a pretty darn good comp
26:33
Speaker 1: right now. And what happened with Casey Kouchman. The Angels
26:37
Speaker 1: had a great team in two thousand and eight. They
26:39
Speaker 1: knew they needed to get better to win a World Series.
26:41
Speaker 1: They traded him for Mark to Schera, and you know,
26:44
Speaker 1: Mark ended up leaving after that year for the Yankees.
26:47
Speaker 1: But I personally thought the Angels won a World Series
26:50
Speaker 1: in two two thousand and eight was their best team.
26:53
Speaker 1: They just got cold at the wrong time. I think
26:55
Speaker 1: that team was the best Angels team in history, and
26:58
Speaker 1: they and they lost them to Division Series. Just happens.
27:02
Speaker 1: Where do you guys stand on Nolan? Is that in
27:05
Speaker 1: an area you feel like they need to upgrade or
27:09
Speaker 1: if they can build a team around him, Is his.
27:11
Speaker 2: Lack of power a little more acceptable?
27:15
Speaker 4: Breezy once you start, okay, I was like, I've gone
27:19
Speaker 4: first every time.
27:23
Speaker 3: I like Nolan.
27:25
Speaker 4: I don't think he's you know, I don't feel like
27:29
Speaker 4: he's the player that any team is going to.
27:34
Speaker 3: Write home about. You know, he's he's he is he
27:39
Speaker 3: is who he is.
27:40
Speaker 4: You know, he was exciting when he first he got
27:43
Speaker 4: on base. What was that like twenty eight games something
27:46
Speaker 4: like that, and there was a lot of excitement around him.
27:50
Speaker 4: Do I wish that he would have stayed in the
27:52
Speaker 4: minors a lot longer and developed a lot longer, Yes, absolutely,
27:59
Speaker 4: But for not doing that, I think he's done a
28:02
Speaker 4: great job. Yet again, I think if we get a
28:05
Speaker 4: different manager in there who works with the in field,
28:08
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be.
28:10
Speaker 3: Even better.
28:11
Speaker 4: Defensively, I think someone like Meckler right now is showing
28:16
Speaker 4: us that, like, you don't necessarily need to hit for power.
28:18
Speaker 4: But man, oh man, is it great that he is
28:20
Speaker 4: so incredibly fast? You know that that is something that
28:24
Speaker 4: I think that Nolan is really missing. You know, he
28:29
Speaker 4: he has little bloopers, but then he doesn't get anywhere,
28:32
Speaker 4: you know, so I don't know. I when it was
28:35
Speaker 4: during the trade deal bline, it was kind of one
28:36
Speaker 4: of those if we get something good for him, cool
28:39
Speaker 4: if not cool, I don't know, I'm not Yeah, how.
28:44
Speaker 2: About you tell.
28:46
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, Mike when you when you had you know
28:49
Speaker 5: said oh Casey Kotchman two point oh.
28:51
Speaker 7: I was like, well they ended up flipping him from
28:53
Speaker 7: Mark to Shara.
28:54
Speaker 5: So you know that's that's one and then and then
28:57
Speaker 5: obviously Mark Mark leaves and then you know, I think
29:00
Speaker 5: Kendrick's Morales was next up realistically until the you know incident.
29:04
Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't dislike Shawnawall. I I do
29:09
Speaker 5: like the baseball that he does does play, uh you know,
29:13
Speaker 5: every now and again. He has made some good game
29:16
Speaker 5: saving defensive plays. I believe in one of the one
29:19
Speaker 5: of his web gems was in in Minnesota, I believe, Yeah.
29:23
Speaker 7: Line drive bas loaded.
29:24
Speaker 5: I think it was line drive, you know, jumped up,
29:26
Speaker 5: caught it, not like he yeah, he you know.
29:28
Speaker 6: He plays some good baseball.
29:31
Speaker 5: But realistically, you know, when you're constructing the lineup and
29:34
Speaker 5: you're you're looking at where you're gonna put your first baseman,
29:36
Speaker 5: it's usually right in the middle of the lineup because
29:38
Speaker 5: he has some thumb.
29:40
Speaker 6: But Shawnawall is a little bit different.
29:42
Speaker 5: Now I'm not saying that other you know, types of
29:45
Speaker 5: first baseman's uh you know, can't exist, but realistically.
29:48
Speaker 6: More often than not, when you're looking at your one
29:50
Speaker 6: b you're.
29:51
Speaker 5: Probably going to be driving some guys in and putting
29:54
Speaker 5: some balls over the fence, not saying that I ever
29:56
Speaker 5: want to, you know, uh, ask for a bad B
30:00
Speaker 5: average or low batting average, but at the same time,
30:03
Speaker 5: some adequate defense, some thump in the bat is usually
30:07
Speaker 5: what you're you know, you're looking for of course at
30:09
Speaker 5: the one B. So it's I've said that to a
30:12
Speaker 5: lot of my angel friends that since the day we
30:15
Speaker 5: drafted him. Not that I was ever doubting them, but
30:17
Speaker 5: it was like, Okay, we're either going to have to
30:19
Speaker 5: get ready for a different type of one bee or
30:22
Speaker 5: we end up going away and trying to.
30:24
Speaker 7: Figure out what we really do need there, right.
30:27
Speaker 5: So you know, I would love love some more power
30:29
Speaker 5: there at that at that position.
30:31
Speaker 7: But do like the way he plays baseball for sure?
30:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people were some fans were telling me always
30:36
Speaker 1: like John Olerude or Mark Grace or even JT. Snow
30:39
Speaker 1: And I actually looked it up. Those guys hit for
30:41
Speaker 1: more power. They didn't hit five to ten homers a year.
30:44
Speaker 1: They were up in the teams and close to twenty
30:46
Speaker 1: so and JT was a Gold Glove first baseman. Moving
30:50
Speaker 1: on to Mike Trout, another sort of polarizing player for
30:54
Speaker 1: for not the wrong reasons or anything. It's just this
30:57
Speaker 1: whole debate of whether you know, we as an Angel fan,
31:02
Speaker 1: would you would you rather Trout finish his career in
31:06
Speaker 1: Anaheim even if he never made the playoffs, or would
31:09
Speaker 1: you rather see him go to a contender and see
31:12
Speaker 1: would just like to see Mike Trout play in October
31:14
Speaker 1: again because the first time back in twenty fourteen, he
31:16
Speaker 1: was he was still a kid and is not a
31:19
Speaker 1: good experience, and I'm sure it motivated him to get
31:22
Speaker 1: back there and he has never gotten back there. So
31:24
Speaker 1: ty Ty will start with you this time. Where do
31:27
Speaker 1: you stand on that one?
31:29
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I'm gonna be selfish and say I
31:31
Speaker 5: say I want I want him to be here for
31:33
Speaker 5: the you know, entirety of his career.
31:36
Speaker 7: Would be awesome to see him in playoff baseball, sure,
31:39
Speaker 7: but not for another team at all.
31:42
Speaker 2: You know.
31:43
Speaker 5: That's that's how I feel as the fan, right like
31:45
Speaker 5: it's Mike Trout. Unfortunately, you know, it's gone the way
31:49
Speaker 5: it's it's gone, you know, but hopefully again, Yeah, like
31:53
Speaker 5: getting better right now may not be in the cards,
31:56
Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't I do not want to see
31:58
Speaker 5: him go anywhere. Of course, everybody talked about Philly, right,
32:02
Speaker 5: and I get it. I totally understand it, right, but no, yeah,
32:06
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be selfish on that one.
32:09
Speaker 6: Say I wanted to be.
32:12
Speaker 2: How about you, Breezy, I.
32:14
Speaker 4: Feel the exact same way. I think that I have
32:20
Speaker 4: those moments where I think Trout went like four for
32:23
Speaker 4: four or not we went four for five the other night.
32:26
Speaker 3: I think are watching, I'm.
32:30
Speaker 4: Like, I can't wait till like I'm in you know,
32:36
Speaker 4: my fifty sixty cent whatever, And I guess feel like
32:39
Speaker 4: watch Mike Trout's entire career like that fan perspective is
32:45
Speaker 4: going to be one of the coolest things that I
32:48
Speaker 4: will get to say about the Angels, like sitting through
32:51
Speaker 4: these horrific games like the silver Lining, always getting to
32:57
Speaker 4: watch Mike Trout, you know yeah, And I will say, like,
33:02
Speaker 4: you know, I was totally like just I don't want
33:07
Speaker 4: to say I was hating on him, but like it
33:09
Speaker 4: was frustrating with how many injuries he was getting over
33:12
Speaker 4: the past five years.
33:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be able to have a.
33:16
Speaker 4: Relatively healthy year, Like, I'm absolutely now going to be
33:19
Speaker 4: selfish and be like, no, I think he if he
33:22
Speaker 4: wants to stay, why would we ever want him to go?
33:24
Speaker 4: That doesn't even make.
33:24
Speaker 2: Sense to me.
33:25
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Yeah, all right, last question the tarts off guys.
33:32
Speaker 1: Do any of you know any of these guys personally.
33:35
Speaker 1: If so, what sort of I've been amazed and quite impressed.
33:40
Speaker 1: It hasn't been as strong this last home stand, but
33:43
Speaker 1: they were back. They've been, you know, some nights are
33:46
Speaker 1: out there in full force. What has kept this movement going?
33:50
Speaker 1: What are their objectives? And do you guys feel it's
33:53
Speaker 1: having any impact. Let's start with you, Tyler.
33:59
Speaker 5: I guess there's some type of impact. I mean, obviously
34:03
Speaker 5: it's like it's seen. I was at the game they
34:07
Speaker 5: were playing. It was a Tuesday night against the Cardinals,
34:09
Speaker 5: and yeah, they were out there and they were going
34:12
Speaker 5: strong for sure, But no, I don't know any of
34:16
Speaker 5: them personally, at least if they're there, I don't know
34:19
Speaker 5: that they're there.
34:20
Speaker 7: But but yeah.
34:21
Speaker 5: No, I mean, like I said, I think it's something
34:24
Speaker 5: that's to be seen. Of course, we all want the
34:27
Speaker 5: same thing. For sure, You're not going to catch me
34:30
Speaker 5: with my T shirt off waving it out there, but
34:33
Speaker 5: you know we all want the same thing. So if
34:36
Speaker 5: if they're willing to go out there and try to
34:38
Speaker 5: I guess rebel a little bit and make make a move,
34:42
Speaker 5: then I'm cool with it.
34:43
Speaker 7: Man, Definitely we.
34:44
Speaker 2: Need some change, for sure.
34:49
Speaker 4: I was gonna make a joke every time I go
34:52
Speaker 4: to the game with one of my dad's friends, so
34:55
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, is that you know all your
34:56
Speaker 4: boyfriends weren't out there?
35:00
Speaker 3: Hilarious? But no, I don't know it.
35:03
Speaker 4: Even personally, I do follow the main guy on Instagram
35:06
Speaker 4: and Twitter.
35:08
Speaker 3: I absolutely love what they have started.
35:11
Speaker 4: I think if I can't even imagine going to the
35:14
Speaker 4: games right now and they like they are the only
35:19
Speaker 4: people cheering, it would be it would feel really eerie, honestly,
35:25
Speaker 4: like they do a good energy. Yeah, Like I think
35:32
Speaker 4: that for the first time in a long time, Angel
35:35
Speaker 4: fansy like they have a little bit of oomph to it,
35:41
Speaker 4: you know, because you always hear like, oh, you know,
35:43
Speaker 4: we show up our favorite away stadium to go play
35:47
Speaker 4: in as Angel Stadium because it's all of our fans.
35:49
Speaker 3: You know, you hear that from me, And it's true.
35:52
Speaker 3: It is.
35:54
Speaker 4: In town next week or two weeks from now, whenever
35:57
Speaker 4: it is. You know, like the whole stadium is going
35:59
Speaker 4: to be Yankee States Yankee fans. So the fact that
36:02
Speaker 4: we have some of our fans showing up and actually cheering.
36:06
Speaker 4: I'm all here for it, so I hope they continue,
36:10
Speaker 4: and I hope that it makes already feel a little uncomfortable.
36:16
Speaker 1: I think that is their point.
36:18
Speaker 4: I personally haven't seen him at a game since it started, so.
36:22
Speaker 3: I think that's a good thing.
36:24
Speaker 1: Hey, that's gonna do it for us today. On our
36:28
Speaker 1: Angels Fan Forum episode, Tyler Rios, Orange Coast College assistant coach,
36:33
Speaker 1: Breezy Nolan, longtime Angel season ticket holder and fan. Hey,
36:37
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Thanks for your input today. Thank
36:41
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