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Chicago Bears Mock Draft Roundup! See Who The Experts Pick · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Wendy City podcast presented by a fan side that you know that man right there that is Alex Shapiro and I am Kenneth Davis this episode we're going to talk about some of the things that we've been seeing when it comes to mock trash particularly of course
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[SPEAKER_01]: these Peter Schreger, formerly of NFL Network now, of ESPN.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, smell-kiper, Matt Miller, Jordan Reed and Phil V8s for me as being from Fox Sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got their research team and Matt Verderlam, how do I pronounce his muffler next to the show?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Verderlam, round of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Verderlam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've had Matt Verderlam on the show a few times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll shut out some of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to go over who they think the bears are selecting and maybe they'll be a trade or two, involved in that situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let me go and check on my guy, Alex, how are you doing right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My guy, have you been?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Passover is over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always enjoy the satars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: by the end of the week, I'm ready for Passover to be over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it was overall a good holiday, sharing it with a small son is very fun, especially because he was so much more aware of what's going on now than he was last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, very cool, had a great Passover.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How about you, Kenneth?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I worked on Easter to do the flip side of the religions thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the meal was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After them had something tasty and enjoyed that, um, I meant everyone's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's never any complaints, uh, this we're talking Easter and Passover.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I learned this kind of recently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People think this is a theory, even this is not known to be true, but like, okay, RV Jesus was Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And given the ultimate, yeah, but breaking news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Breaking news, Jesus was a Jew and he was a brown man, living in the Middle East.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Newsflash.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also given the proximity of Easter to Passover.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people believe that the last supper was a sater.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when they were all gathered around the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was the last supper a sater?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like that because like, yeah, we know that these things are happening around the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, because of course, um, they would have you think that a Jesus just dropped Judaism and just.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a part of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, off this forth Christianity, I don't remember Jesus saying that over, being a Catholic school kid that grew up in Baptist church.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember Jesus saying, I'm switching my team up at any point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a discussion for our stuff that people don't come to the Winni City podcast to take in, but it's just funny how the world world if you get the drift of what I and Alex are saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Getting back to the mock dress, mock dress, mock dress, mock dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start off with Peter Schrager, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this one is near to my heart because of the school, but also a position, you know what, I might say what he who he has and I wanna ask you a couple of questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, a player that we've talked about, Caden Proctor, left tackle out of Alabama,
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[SPEAKER_01]: six, six athletic four size and consistently, but may as massive up side since he's still developing experts believe the upward trend at Bama flashes a very good might be better suited guard a massive kid does known to be able to move very well for a size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alex, how do you feel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you at?
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[SPEAKER_01]: On.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, you have a riot tackle that you're about to pay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as far as what we know, unless there's a situation that develops where Azizhipolo returns and looks even better than he did prior to his tendon injury, you would think that Darna Wright's gonna get paid and be a bear for the, at least in a three to four seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, after this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: dependent on if they need to pay them for fixed capital and price of the season starting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But where are you at as far as giving massive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: draft capital to replace Aussie Chippolo and if you think about it, if you draft came proctor, not to say it wouldn't be bad to have Aussie Chippolo won, you wouldn't have to rush Aussie Chippolo back whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could drive this year to basically redshird him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Since his injury towards the very end of last year, you wouldn't have to rush him back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but then you're going to be in a situation where, now, okay, in Proctin, Najit Pilo, which I'm not saying this is a bad situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be battling for that left tackle spot, and one of them will be on the bench, or perhaps like we just were right here with Peter Schrager, you could have the opportunity to perhaps move K.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Procter to guard one thing that we always talk about here, which is terrible, because I would hate it if I was this man, is that all ProJo Thuny is old,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Getting up there, rather, is a better way to phrase that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't know how many seasons he's going to be able to sustain let alone play at an elite level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think the bear should do with this conundrum of, man, we thought we fixed a left tackle situation and the injury to the Aussie Jepelot is so severe that he may be out for the entirety of the season, let alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He may not return to the same level that he was at prior to the injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be asked to me, left tackle is still a big priority.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And hearing what the bear said at the owner's meetings, go back to our last episode where we're going to, where we talked about this, it seems like it's a priority for them too, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They understood Drew Domin leaving was
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[SPEAKER_02]: It left a big hole, but they attacked that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got that figured out right away, you know, is Garrett Bradbury a long-term solution, probably not, but they found a solution and they feel good about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They feel good about the fit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They like the past Pro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Left tackle, though, it sounds like, you know, there's a little bit of urgency there where we do need to figure this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And last year, they were able to work around Theo Benedict and Brasson Jones and Aussie Trapillo and then Joe Tune at the end, this revolving door of left tackles, but it does not feel like, and it should not be the plan A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does not feel like the bears want that to be the plan A and it should not be the plan A, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have all these options.
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[SPEAKER_02]: including Judric Whills, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Judric Whills is gonna factor into this a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the Bears really want that left tackle situation figured out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if Kate and Proctor is there, he might not be there, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Kate and Proctor is there, it feels like an opportunity that the Bears maybe can't pass up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year I bet if Kelvin banks I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is pure speculation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Kelvin banks is there at 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder if Kelvin banks Is the left tackle for the Chicago Bears you know that this is a hole and it's an important It's a really important piece of the puzzle and it would be a shame if
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bears take all of these big steps in your two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams is looking better, Roman Dune's is looking better, but it's kind of undone because the bears still haven't figured out left out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the other thing that we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that Ryan Paul's really likes to grade on the flashes, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He really likes to grade on the flashes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're, if you're grading Kate and Proctor on the flashes, then they're really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are there a consistency?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's why he's going to be there at 25 if he's there at 25.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he's not like a dynamite top 10 pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but he's really big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can move really well as you mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he slides into guard and that he becomes your left guard of the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is not the worst thing in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's far from the worst thing in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So to me, left tackle, priority, I would have no qualms whatsoever with the bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of gambling on a really good upside for Kate and Proctor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then again, experts say you mentioned it experts say they notice upwards trajectory upwards trajectory for Kate and Proctor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He moves really well for his size, six, six, three, hundred, and 50 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's an imposing dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And let's look at another guy that the bear's had on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Darnell Wright.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What were we talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Darnell Wright, this point last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he's great, he's great, but there are inconsistencies on his tape that the bears need to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dan Rochard got to work with Darnell Wright and turned him into the Darnell Wright, or at least closer to the Darnell Wright, that we expected to see when the bear's drafted in number 10 overall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they have faith in Dan Rochard, if they have faith in this team, this staff, the hey, we developed one young guy with a lot of upside in Darnell Wright.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't they develop another
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[SPEAKER_02]: inconsistent, but high-up side player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just hey, do the journal right thing again with Gaden Proctor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That could be a steel man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That could be a steel of the draft if they bring in Gaden Proctor and then they're able to develop him and make those flashes play more consistency.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see why the bears would be enticed by that and let's be honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Schrager's a pretty plugged-in dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is known for having really sharp mock drafts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when he
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of might yours perk up and I listen to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the versatility, the position of versatility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it solves two issues, basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The future of what happens when one of the best left guards and football perhaps retires, or you feel like his level play may not be to the level that you need, or to the level of how much he is asking for as far as his salary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it gives all the Aussie to pillow up a pathway back to left tackle where not just taking a guy at 25 would have you using him or Aussie as a swing tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a situation where it's because to me that way, it kind of feels somewhat like a waste even though keeping Caleb up right is the most important thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It also makes me think, and I don't know if I'm right or wrong in this Drew Dalman will still hear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with the premium on left tackle, be as high because you thought from right tackle to left guard, you almost have taken a Jonah Jackson out of it but you almost have pro bowlers basically all through those four guys basically, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that like last year where the opening it or Aussie Jepillo, you were like, we can
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[SPEAKER_01]: test these young men out because we feel that we're so stout from left guard to right tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now where center isn't as stout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're as you said, you're looking at someone who's better in past Pro than Rumprobo, we know how essential the run game is to Ben Johnson's system for success.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If okay, we can go with a average center above average center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now we have to do better,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and left tackle to compensate for the fact that Drew Domain isn't leading a charge at center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just one of those things that crosses my mind when we talk bears football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't mind Peter Schreger taking Kate and Proctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Part of me is like
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want a D.T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's penetrating and getting into the back field at some point, and at this draft, I think it has to be more than just one player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to remedy the situation with the defensive front four and not getting any type of pressure on the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, came proctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be upset, roll time, but still, I don't know what you do at D.T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: too in the first round with who would be available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me also
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[SPEAKER_02]: We need competition for contavius street.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we need street competition to say the least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, switching off now, we're going to a Kuiper Miller-RE-Yates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The pick is Peter Woods, DT from Clemson, that is best explosive DT-3-Sex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eight and a half tacos for loss in 2024, many expected to break out year in 2025, but saw more double teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And production went down a two-sax and three point five TFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a shorter arms just over 31 inches effective on offense eight carries 15 yards two T. D's is not what we're here for even took a direct snap for score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay for during a Perry again, that is not what we are here for your thoughts on bringing in the place entire floor is that we're here for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're not because here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if the bears are going over draft tape
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[SPEAKER_02]: the DTs are coming up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson is obviously the head coach of football team and I am not suggesting that Ben Johnson doesn't get excited when a really explosive DT comes across his desk and he's got to watch this tape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I'm not suggesting he doesn't get excited about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when he's got an explosive dt who can also block as a fullback and can also take those direct handoffs can take that snap from the shotgun and can get you two yards of fullback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ben Johnson's really excited about this defensive tackle and you put on the fullback tape of Peter Woods at Clemson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He looks good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not it's not the I don't know what to do with the football that we have seen out of some bears in recent memory when when the football gets in their hands.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He knows what to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can follow his blocks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can make it into the end zone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I I would not discount that that factor if the bears do draft if the bear's draft Peter was that's going to come up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a thousand percent going to come up in my short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure what, it's just, um, hey, what in Perry was such a sensation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that he had a GI Joe toy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how big the fridge was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like again, if again, I was a small child, but you would have thought the internet was out how big 85 bears were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like that's how big they were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was viral, like viral, viral, viral, and it's hard to explain it before the world was connected the way that the world is connected now that it felt like it was connected like that back then when it came to 85 there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, that's partially why I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not there yet, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a level of rock star with that team was along with the head coach that we're not there just yet, all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clemson Tigers, DTs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know very soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So hey, I'm not saying that Peter Woods is going to be the next fridge that would be an absolutely ridiculous Comp to put on a player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, we are talking about two Clemson DTs who, uh, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: could be a force in the back field and can take those handoffs when needed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, as you mentioned, I mean, D.T.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is a huge position to need for this team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They need help all over the defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have circled three tech.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you were happy to see this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were talking a lot about Peter Woods when we did our March madness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We go back and listen to our March man in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talk a lot about Peter Woods and what he can do for this defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Kate and Proctor is off the board and Peter Woods is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's another one where it's like, yeah, I have no problems with the pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go get that guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because you have the shorter arms, yeah, maybe, you know, is he have the production, maybe not, but as you mentioned, some more double teams and when you're working against, or when you're working next to,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Montez sweat when you're working next to Grady Jarrett or Durvandexter, depending on how all that shakes out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably not going to see the same level of double to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was seeing in Clemson, where now it's like, okay, go ahead, do your thing, Peter Woods, and you could see him being a big help to that, to that front four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, for me, yes, I'm all for DT and then this is DT with a little bit of hope because you want what you thought you were going to get it climps in and hope and something at some of my subs I've read have him have people saying they think he'll be a better pro than college player that kind of makes shields have been worried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just seeing that, not to say it doesn't happen, but you want to see the flashes while they're in college and not just hope that when they get to the pros, I mean, hey, we interviewed uh, Jervon Dexter's positional coach and defensive coordinator and, you know, he kind of let us to believe that the following season or two that Jervon Dexter will really become that player that we're still looking for right now as far as his disruptor in the back field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the bears haven't necessarily gotten that gesture yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I wouldn't be mad if they take him here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would hope that it's a situation where it glimpses and dabble hasn't really want to be
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[SPEAKER_01]: truly involved in the transfer portal and like some of the machinations that have changed in college football to last five or six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they may not have the quality of defense because one thing about that, but not a fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one thing about him, he will have really good defensive players on his team up and down his defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So right now, Peter was getting double team could be a situation where some of the better
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[SPEAKER_01]: excuse me, Clemson defenders have moved on and they haven't rebuilt or restocked them as kind of the way I want to say that, restocked those players with the same quality, so it leads them to be able to take advantage of Peter Woods on double teams that's not singling them up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on, the Fox Sports Research Team, they picked sticking with DT and a guy that we've talked about, unfortunately, in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Caleb Banks from Florida, 6, 6, 327 pounds, Big Boy, very strong and disruptive, let the gate is with 29 pressures and 2024 had four and a half sacks from the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Concerning injuries in 2025, but very tough and came back this season rather than shutting it down because he wanted to play, even though Florida wasn't good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love K-loved K-loved bakes back and forth, foot, foot and explosion, and you're coming straight up the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The plan in regardless, second round, yes, first round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, he's off my draft board in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a flyer for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish it wasn't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so unfair to him that his body betrayed him in this fashion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you just worried about that flip being an issue that pops up more than once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as for what, so why do you want to say it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just worry about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the only good one I got for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You worry about shut up to us, that you worry about that just popping up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the worst thing that could happen, and again, it's not the same because you wouldn't expect someone's tendons to blow in Ozzie, Jepillo, but just think about, you know, if Ozzie, Jepillo had injury history and the injury happened again, so I know this is an apples-to-apples comparison, but this situation where you're using a first round pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on a player with something that can act him moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It unfortunately speaks to desperation, and that's not something I want to bear to do with their first pick, your thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the medical's are concerning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is one where the bears medical have to be airtight, but they have not shied away from drafting players with questionable medical's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Karanama-Gaji, Carlson-Loveland, these are dudes in recent memory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bears have drafted with some medical's, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Carlson-Loveland was fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He missed a lot of time and his first rookie spring program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he was great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the injury stuff has lingered so it's like kind of that is that is the dice roll that happens and it's it's another one but for a different reason like Kate and Proctor we talked about he could be a steal like if I works out if Dan Rochar can coach him up and he plays up to his flashes could be a steal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the kind of the same with Caleb Banks if the injuries are a thing then you're probably regretting drafting him in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if the medical's check out, and this is a weird blip, and he goes on to be totally okay, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like Keenan Allen had that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That I guess reputation of being a dude who was always hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Christian McCaffrey had that reputation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are guys who have moved on and left that reputation in the past and have gone on to have very lengthy careers.
21:46
[SPEAKER_02]: If he could be a guy who this was a blip and he's going to be healthy for a while, that explosiveness, that size, what he could mean for that defensive line.
21:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the upside is kind of off the charts.
21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Could be a huge steal.
22:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's something that I actually really like.
22:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So you mentioned it kind of off the top, like when you're leading your team in pressures and you're a DT, that's a good sign.
22:12
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good sign.
22:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the pairs are looking for.
22:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where the upside is is really real.
22:17
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing that I like is, this is a guy who could easily shut it down and said, I need to get healthy, I need to worry about my future, I need to get ready for the draft because Florida wasn't going anywhere.
22:30
[SPEAKER_02]: last year, Florida was, you know, it was, it was not a good season for the gators, but instead of that, he's like, no, this is not how I want to go out as a Florida gator.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I want to be out there with my guys.
22:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And for him to say, like, I'm going to really, really focus on my rehab.
22:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So that I can finish out this season and play a little bit this year.
22:50
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a high character move for this guy that shows a toughness.
22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: That shows a determination where these character intangibles that mean a lot to all teams.
23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But for sure, I mean a lot to the bears like that to me is plus plus plus in the character and the grit in the determination factor for this player.
23:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Only problem is it will matter if he's on the bench because he doesn't matter if he's here.
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, right.
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not matter.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It comes out of the medical.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The Christian McAfrey cop, like, yeah, I would love to have Christian McAfrey from the last couple of seasons, but the Christian McAfrey from the seasons where he's been out, I don't want him, particularly if you draft him in fantasy at early as you could have, like, that's scary.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And again,
23:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though Christian McCaffrey at times is the best running back in football, but it's easier to, it's not easy to replace Christian McCaffrey, but in their system, because one, you don't have the versatility, but in their system,
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see the bears being able to do that.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: If Caleb is out at D.C. because they haven't been able to do this, it'll be different for your point using that.
24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying this is what you meant.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: If the bears had a system where who plug and play at D.T.
24:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and it's about you of like, oh, Mike Shanahan and Denver after T.T.T.T.D.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: out of it, but he could throw in a grocery guy and run him back and they would get a thousand yards, right?
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is on the zone scheme, right?
24:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, more like, you know, he had the year where he only played three games.
24:28
[SPEAKER_02]: The year he only played three games.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's had like several, he's had several full season since then.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But my point being, if the bears are known as, hey, we need better, we need better talent at defensive line, particularly D.T.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But we always, like, let's just say how you feel about Dan Rochar, let's say that they had a Dan Rochar for the D.T.s, right?
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yeah, you know, we just got to bring more quality D.T.
24:55
[SPEAKER_01]: and that cause he can coach up anybody, right?
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I would be like, okay,
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb, you can come because even if you're down, we still get penetration from the DT, you know, so, but in this situation, we need you to be a stud and you being out could derail basically the defensive line and from what we saw last.
25:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we forget how far the bears went with no pressure last year.
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know we don't, but I think
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: the rose color glasses of the season sometimes and most it plugged in best friends don't but if you're just a passerby you would have thought with them on a turnovers that perhaps they were getting to the quarterback and they weren't all right if they had a pass rush they could have like 10 more options yeah it would not just they had no point
25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: imagine where they could have went last year with a pass rush.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole different ball game, basically, with what they were able to do.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: If they had a pass rush, I mean, you're talking crazy.
26:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard in that ram's game.
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, do.
26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, wishing the best if they can get them in a second.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm down for for me to first round.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not feeling it, but we will see.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, last but not least Matt Verderum or Verderan, I'm not which way was that again, Alex.
26:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Matt Verderam.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Verderam.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: all trade mocks every team made a trade in the first round bears get number 15 from the bucks and exchange from number 25 and 57 they decide to stay in the state of Alabama going back to Katie and Proctor but go to another school and that's Auburn.
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to pick up Keldrick Falk, a defensive end, 6, 6, 276 pounds at experts say a very good defender 10 sacks 19 and a half TFLs and 37 games experts believe high pass rush upside and he's just 20 years old Alex your thoughts on the bears trading given up to picks to move up to number 15 for Keldrick Falk.
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: a DE out of all, you know, I don't know, I don't know if the bears trade up if it's for this guy.
27:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they do it for, well, I don't know, defensive end is obviously an area of need.
27:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't know that the bears will be trading up period, even though we know Ryan polls likes to get his guy because it looks like there will be players around them a cloud of players that can help.
27:34
[SPEAKER_02]: But verdoram is doing this fun thing where he had literally every pick.
27:37
[SPEAKER_02]: He involved in a trade, which I'd love like what a phenomenal idea for a month.
27:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is how it shook off for the bears.
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I bring Wani back in why the bears might like this guy?
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You could play in first down, second down.
27:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not just a third down specialist.
27:54
[SPEAKER_02]: As you mentioned, the experts, good instincts in run defense, playing opposite Montes wet, you don't have to worry about teams running.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: his way, he will get the job done on run defense, which is obviously really important if you're going to go all the way to 15 to get a defensive end, that DE needs to be there all three dans.
28:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that it's not like some of these other guys, we worry about the run defense and hope that comes along.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, he's a dynamite pass russia, but the run de is a little suspect.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the other way around.
28:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, it's like, okay, if he has all this upside
28:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's pull up the size, the frame.
28:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 6, 6, 276 pounds.
28:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It's another big dude.
28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it's like, okay, we see the pass rush upside.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's teach you the pass rush moves.
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know that,
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: that we can treat you.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: We could put you out there every single down and we're gonna let the past rush come along.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: As the upside to me, I like that combo.
28:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that combo because guess what, if the bear's run defense is like it was last year, which is to say very bad, I don't care how good your past rush is.
29:08
[SPEAKER_02]: playing on 32 and 31 all the time.
29:12
[SPEAKER_02]: The bear's got to get to third and eight regularly.
29:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll worry about the past rush.
29:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's fixed the run D first in my opinion.
29:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll talk past rush.
29:22
[SPEAKER_02]: But ton of upside, young player, interesting guy.
29:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a name we haven't talked about because we haven't been talking about picks around 15.
29:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So I liked it.
29:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there was a fun pick.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I look, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's cool.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds good.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like what you're saying as far as you want a guy to be able to play on both sides as far as stopping the run and getting to the quarterback, but they need to get to the quarterback.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I would much rather him be a phenomenal pressure and average run guy and you say we could teach him a set the edge.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: rather than man, he could set the edge, but we got to teach him how to get to the quarterback.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like for me.
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, especially moving up.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trading up.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where it'd be different if we're talking about he failed to them.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm trading up and I'm not solving and you're you are right.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to get better versus the run.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they have to be able to stop that damn.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they have to be able to get to that quarterback man.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you, you have plus you, you sat there.
30:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You got the, um, replacement for our guy of our nose tackle.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, with Neville Gallamore, yeah, you got Neville, that's Neville's job.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Neville, Neville, you better be stopping somewhere.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you better stop that to him.
30:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you better get out the bed stopping the run.
30:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's where we got him for.
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We still got gritty there to help with that.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We need sacks and pressures in my opinion.
30:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything to add,
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: any extra points anything into you I got to say before we get out of here.
31:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's give a shout out to Angel Reese and the Angel Reese era in Chicago.
31:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun for a little bit.
31:15
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, Kenneth and I, we went to a, we went to a sky game with our friends at NBC, James, Nouveau, and Tony Gill.
31:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was fun to cheer for Angel Reese for a second.
31:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you know, it kind of became clear this wasn't working.
31:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so I think the sky probably made the right move to move on from Angel Reese.
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a eyes or kind of theorist eyes are wide open.
31:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Um,
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: All the best, all the best to Angel Reese.
31:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun, it was fun for a bit.
31:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
31:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed the traffic.
31:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed writing about the sky at NBC.
31:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to write about the sky a little bit.
31:56
[SPEAKER_02]: We got some great Angel Reese traffic.
31:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for the traffic.
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the fun.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the,
32:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Highlight Reels, there were all sorts of highlight Reels about Angel Reese, they were all fun, and you know what, like, I like what she brought to women's basketball, her rivalry with Caitlyn Clark.
32:15
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you hold in your nose.
32:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't think the rivalry between Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese is good for the league.
32:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking to me, so you know the answer to that.
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how crazy I am about one is basketball.
32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a bad
32:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is a team that any star player they've ever had has asked for a trade going back to Sylvia Files and the back then I used to be mad at Sylvia Files because I didn't know any better.
32:43
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Elena Della Dawn Kenneth Parker came and went.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Now Angel Reese and you had on.
32:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You had to one of their first draft pick.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They traded her to the Phoenix.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget where her name was.
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think her last name was Parker.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't remember.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But she was like a small forward.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They, this is a bad run franchise.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying it.
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I love women's basketball and you actually had one of the most famous women basketball players over the last generation on your team who busted her but who improved who became a point powerful this year, all right.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And because you have your facilities are lackluster.
33:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, how you run the team, you sat there and bought band of slew back.
33:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was going to do something.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't surrounded Angel Reese with anyone.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably should have drafted her overdraft to her and not drafted Camilla, a Cardosa because you haven't been getting what you need out of Cardosa.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's so many things to wear, you ran off injuries and you think, I'm going to forget the memories, I'm angry at the sky for consistently being one of the worst ran franchises in sports.
34:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you have all those people that were there when we went.
34:03
[SPEAKER_01]: All those women.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all these people trying to support the sky, you finally brought the damn team to the city because they used to play out and rose my all right, and now you're going to sit there and you better hope, uh,
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time there is a generational player going to be drafted, and this is women's basketball, they're going to at least play four to five years.
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can predict pretty much when you do Smith is coming out of school, right?
34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And make sure you have two first round picks to be there to bring Chicago a superstar.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You never
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: do it.
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So bump the sky, a mad at the sky, you ran and you re-solve.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: All she wants to do is win.
34:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying Andrew Reese can be easy or whatever, but what she really asking for to be treated like a pro and for you to to put the players around her because she's not used to losing.
35:03
[SPEAKER_01]: What's LSU been doing since Andrew Reese has been going anybody?
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Have they been winning?
35:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Not really.
35:08
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: What does Andrew Reeves want to do?
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: She wants to win.
35:12
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And you blew it.
35:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't think they should have built around when you were watching Camila Cardoso and Angel Reeves together.
35:21
[SPEAKER_02]: You weren't of the opinion that it's like, okay, no, Camila Cardoso is the one we build around with this hair.
35:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they were not working super well together.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I am South Carolina through and through Don Staley, you are my coach, Don Staley.
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: had to say you have to put a fire under Camilla Cardosa.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: If Don't stay loose up here, maybe I'd be fine with them having Camilla Cardosa.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Camilla Cardosa is a large player, but I would much rather have Lauren Bets and it's not to say that she is perfect, but I know what she can do offensively consistently.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're gonna drop these six, seven ladies out every couple years, so it's not as crazy
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: as it used to be.
36:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you won't want this got some skill.
36:09
[SPEAKER_01]: When it's going to dominate, either either on both sides of the ball or at least on one, Cardoso still isn't even dominating on defense consistently.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they overdrafted her.
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, the fact that you, that was, you know what, we reminds me of, it reminds me of when the bulls drafted,
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, was it James Jones and then and it's first and then later on in the first round, they drafted Todd Gibson and even though James Jones will kick yo ass anybody in the NBA with all the black belts him and his daddy got like he was known if from Wake Forest don't mess with him right like he's one of the baddest dudes that's ever played in the league.
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It really didn't help the bulls.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and Todd's ended up being on a team that was contending a really essential part of a contending team.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You almost missed out on draft and Todd's gifts.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And so flip that for a playlist even more important and a champion.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You almost missed out on Angel Reese, right?
37:11
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're like, if the mystics wanted her, they probably could have taken her and sent her back home to the DMV area.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You almost missed out where you could have secured her.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Who was the better player in your opinion?
37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, who's the better player?
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Camilla Cardoso or Azeris?
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to be quite honest, I kind of fell off the map with the Chicago Sky when I stopped covering them.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: The end of last season, I would be lying and if I said, I was, if I was super dialed in to the Chicago Sky, but at least when I was dialed in, it to me it was, it was Cardoso.
37:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was, it was the one with,
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: really broke two-time all-star.
38:11
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that often's ran through her.
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, lately, more rebounds than anybody damn near WMBA history since, from, from my rookie season.
38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And you think, Carmilla, our dosa was playing better.
38:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I am not trying to make.
38:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to make.
38:28
[SPEAKER_02]: but to defend my point a little bit.
38:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just curious what percentage of her rebounds were her own offensive rebounds.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a done body complaint about most of the loans during it.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So also I you said juju Smith another USC legend.
38:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you're talking about juju walkins.
38:47
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about three USC legend.
38:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just met juicer juju walkins and Taj Gibson who is played basketball this season.
38:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Touch, still played a last call of this season.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Still around.
39:04
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
39:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we went to the gambit of SC, but anyway.
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: How many?
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Seven, ten years.
39:12
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy has played 1,000 and 11 games, 17 years, 1,000 or 11 games.
39:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Touch, you see, you legend.
39:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And if Tom Tibdo gets a job this year, guess what, Todd's been going to get me this year.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, as we leave the WNBA, make sure you tune back in as we get close to the drafts with about 13 days away.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe from the draft, you know, you know, this is playtime when it comes to us in a draft, we're definitely going to have episodes shooting your away.
39:48
[SPEAKER_01]: either love in or hate and what the bears do and talking about what the teams and the North particular are going to do for Al Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am Kenneth Davis and this is the Wendy City podcast presented by Fansletter.