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The NEW YORK METS lose PETE ALONSO and EDWIN DIAZ! · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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They're going to have a ton of money to spend.
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Why not put it in one of the top three offensive players in the
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league? We're going to be looking at
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Aaron judging and saying that he can't win the big game, Michael
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Jordan said. I played 82 games.
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You don't see LeBron doing that a game.
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Where you got to go? Before I told you, Giant fans
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and Saquon Barkley, this quarterback in the NFL?
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Really. Let's do it.
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It has been a crazy, crazy week and it's been on and off.
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We had a little bit of rain. We're supposed to get a lot of
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snow this weekend on Sunday and Monday into Monday we could be
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hit with five to seven inches of snow.
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I've been hearing how how is it over there in the one and only
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Nebraska We're we're. Actually we're, it was like 50°,
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but we're going to get like, I think the high that we're going
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to have on the weekend, I think is 16 on Saturday and like 22 on
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Sunday. But we we have no snow, which
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I'm I'm I will take and I don't like, I don't mind the snow.
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It's the ice that gets me. Like when we get that like black
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ice and stuff like that, Gosh that, I mean it just, it stinks.
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And especially like, so we're in like a new development like in
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in our neighborhood and they're the last like we're the last
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ones to like get anything. So it's like all the
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construction, like everybody's like coming to work and doing
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all their stuff, right. So they just like basically
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matted down. And then when the actual like
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people come through with the plows and everything, basically
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they're just pushing it down and it just it, it's, it's bad.
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It's rough. Like it's literally an ice
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skating rink. I was, I met, I was going to
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check the mail and I don't know how y'all do it in Long Island,
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but like we have to walk to the mailbox.
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They don't have them just out front and I saw my FedEx guy and
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he literally slid half a block and stopped like right in front
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of my driveway and he goes watch this.
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He put it in gear and just slid to the next house.
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So, so you guys have mailboxes at like really deep at the end
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of your driveway, is that where it is?
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Or like in, in no in like the in the development like there's the
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big box. See, we don't have long
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driveways because land is so expensive here in Long Island.
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It depends on the area. It could be a cul-de-sac.
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I actually live on a cul-de-sac. So everybody, yeah, very rich.
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So they're the houses are ridiculous over here where I'm
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from. And it's weird because you do
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have to go to the end of your driveway, but it.
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Sucks. And then two, it's like
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sometimes 2 and like you're walking to it.
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It's like you got to like do this to make sure you don't bust
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your ass. Get the middle.
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It does get bad and we haven't had snow.
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I think we've had one snowstorm every year and it, it doesn't
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really get that bad. I think last year we had a 10
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inch storm and it pretty much got washed away the next day.
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So we've haven't, we haven't had back-to-back storms in a while.
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And this might be the coldest fall we've ever had.
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I don't remember a fall that we hit in the teens over the last
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three or four years. It's, it's crazy.
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It last year at this time it was at some point it was 6570° and
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now it's like. But that's the that's the same
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thing here. Like we're so bipolar too, where
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it's like it's going to be 16 and 22° and then it's going to
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be 55 on Monday and Tuesday. That's crazy.
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I don't think we, I, we've been really, I think the hottest,
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the, the hottest it's ever been was about 4548.
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I it's to me and and I don't think that's cold at all,
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actually. No, I love them.
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I mean, Carter, catch you outside.
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I don't know if you guys saw it on this foot or whatever, but
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Carter and I, we went outside when it was, it was literally
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like 40°. Yeah, I like that weather.
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I it's cool. You could take once you sweat,
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you take off your shirt, you're not going to catch a pneumonia
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or a cold. But once it gets into the the
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the low 30s into the 20s, if you're wearing, if you're not
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wearing a. Sweatshirt or something it's
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different like, but even even even cartoons like so cart comes
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in and he had he had worked out in the morning and then came
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home and we played catch did all of our other stuff and then all
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of a sudden he comes in and he like comes upstairs out of his
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room and he's like dad, I lost an earring and.
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I'm like like. Did you check your room?
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Did you check anything? And probably went down the
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drain. So then of course, what does Dad
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do? Dad goes to the store and gets
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him freaking new pair of earrings and I'm like, I'm not
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getting you nice ones. Yeah, because this is exactly
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what happens. I you're gonna, you're gonna
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lose them or like something's gonna fall out.
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And I'm like, no, I'm not doing that.
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A lot of baseball today because the New York Mets look like a
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bunch of fools. The winter meetings that ended
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Wednesday could not have gone worse for the New York Mets
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before the conference in Orlando was done.
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They lost both star closer Edwin Diaz and All Star Silver Slugger
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first baseman Pete Alonso. ESP NS Jeff Passan reports that
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the Los Angeles Dodgers have signed Edwin Diaz to a
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three-year, $69 million deal. The deal is the largest ever
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foreclosure and was almost 5 million more per year than his
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previous deal with the New York Mets.
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Pasan added that the Mets never told Diaz that they were signing
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Devin Williams last week, and that frustrated him.
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Diaz had a 1.63 ERAA, 0.87 WHIP, 98 strikeouts and 28 saves last
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season. Pasano also reports that the
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Baltimore Orioles have signed Pete Alonso to A5 year and
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$155,000,000 deal. The deal is worth 31,000,000 per
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year, the largest average annual value in Orioles history.
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ESPN reports that the Mets never even gave Pete Alonzo an offer
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this offseason, simply allowing the polar bear to leave Queens
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for nothing. Alonzo had a 272 batting
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average, 38 home runs and 126 RB is last season for the New York
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Mets. You know, Mets fans are very
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upset. And who are they pointing
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fingers at? Are they pointing fingers at
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David Stearns? Are they pointing fingers at
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Uncle Stevie? Uncle Stevie, he's has a
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boatload of money. He's the richest owner in
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professional sports. The guys got money growing out
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of his ass and I believe that I and I honestly believe that
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because last year I think he made a billion dollars in his
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hedge fund. So we all know Uncle Stevie is
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not going to be shy when it comes to flashing his money and
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spending his money because he just gave Juan Soto last year
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68,000,000 a year. But the fact here is Peter
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Lonzo, the polar bear has been the face of the New York Mets.
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And ever since Jacob degrom decided to part ways and go to
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Texas, the Mets haven't had a home grown player of this
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magnitude, a guy that really stood for something, a guy that
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took away his social medias. He didn't want to be a part of
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the social media market because he wanted to show the Mets that
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he really, really cared. And he didn't want to get
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involved in the conversations that were going behind the
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scenes when it was when the Mets were being a laughing stock of
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the league. But when you think about it and
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you understand where the Mets are as an organization, they
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were promised, the fans were promised five years ago when
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Uncle Stevie took over for the Wilpons that they're going to be
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champions, that he will do anything to make this team a
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champion. And last year, really putting
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all his money, all his, what do they call it, his shekels into
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that basket. You would think that this
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wasn't, this wasn't Hanukkah, this wasn't Christmas, this was
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all out New York Mets wanting to win a championship.
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And going into this offseason, everybody said, where do they
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go? Do they sign Edwin Diaz and do
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they sign Pete Alonso and add a school bowl or a somebody of
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that magnitude to make this team better or maybe even bring in
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another player like Cody Bellinger to really make this
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team have the line up with the depth that they expect to win a
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championship? They traded Brandon, IMO.
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A lot of people like that move. And then when you thought about
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Edwin Diaz and Pete Alonso, it was almost a shoe in after the
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after they traded Brandon, IMO. But it wasn't.
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It wasn't so. And Edwin Diaz, a lot of stories
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were coming out with the Dodgers that he wanted to play with his
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brother Alexis. And Alexis obviously came from
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the Cincinnati organization. He's now, I think he would, if
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I'm not mistaken, he signed or he was traded with the Dodgers
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last year. He played for the Dodgers last
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year. He's there again.
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And there were conversations that Edwin wanted to go and play
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with his brother. So a lot of people believe that
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was one of the things that persuaded him to go play for the
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Dodgers. But then you hear their story
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about Devin Williams, that the Mets did not go to Edwin Diaz
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and tell him that they're going to sign Devin Williams.
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That could have pissed him off. I don't know what is true and
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what is not. What I do know right now is the
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Mets and the organization looks really, really bad because the
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team as a whole and the Mets fans who think that they were
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all in on this season, that being that there's this is a
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strike year after this year there there could be a strike
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for baseball. You would think that the Mets
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are going to go all in to win a championship because we don't
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know what's going to happen with baseball the year after.
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But guess what? The Mets lose their star player,
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beat Alonso, they lose their star closer.
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They go to two different organizations, the Orioles who
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never spend money at all. As you see, this is the highest
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contract when it comes to deals per year that the Orioles have
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ever given a player. Think about the Orioles have
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been around forever. Pete Alonso is the biggest
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contract they've ever given to a player.
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And that to me tells me that the Mets do not know what they're
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doing. Because I was talking to a bunch
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of Mets fans and they were saying, what is it going to get?
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What's going to get done to get Pete Alonso to sign back with
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the Mets? And I said $200 million.
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That's where I see Pete Alonso. Because we all know Scott Boris
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is his own, is his agent. And we all know that the Mets
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are going to do what Pete Alonso and Scott Boris are going to do,
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whatever it takes to get as much money as they possibly can.
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But when you hear this contract, five years, 155,000,000, he only
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made $1,000,000 more than Kyle Schwarber, who took a little bit
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less after having a season that he had an MVP season last year.
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You would have thought that the Mets were all in on a contract
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like this. This is a slam dunk for the New
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York Mets, and the Mets just completely wash their hands with
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Pete Alonso that quick. The polar bear is gone.
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Sayonara, Rub his belly. Wash them out.
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Dry them out. I don't know what the hell the
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Mets are doing right now. The organization looks
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completely bad. And now what are the Mets going
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to do? Are they going to go all in on
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Cody Bellinger? Is he that much better than Pete
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Alonso, A homegrown player? Are you going to go all out on
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Kyle Tucker? Are you going to bet that Kyle
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Tucker is going to choose the Mets out of all the teams that
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including the Dodgers that are interested in bringing them in,
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or the Yankees? Why would he go to the Nets and
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then the the Tarek Scubal Scubal thing?
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Or are the Mets willing to give up all their prospects because
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you know Detroit is going to do whatever it takes to grab
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whatever they can from the New York Mets to get this deal done?
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And are they going to overpay to get Tarek?
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It doesn't make it as the Mets are in a bad spot right now.
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And the Yankees, with how Steinberger coming out like he
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did a couple of weeks ago and saying and pointing his finger
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at the Dodgers in the league and money this and money that, I
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think Uncle Stevie looks bad. You know why?
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Because Uncle Stevie's all about bringing in a casino.
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He's getting it approved. And is it?
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Is this the reason why he wanted to buy the Mets?
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Was this the reason why he wanted the Mets really strictly
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to get a casino into Queens and him to get even richer?
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Because to me, as much as he's invested billions and billions
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of dollars into this organization, it looks really,
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really bad when your face, your player, your homegrown player
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goes to another team. What I would say about 100 miles
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away from you, a team that doesn't like to spend, a team
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that is not expected to win next year because they don't have the
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pitching on their roster. He go.
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He decides to go there instead of staying with the Mets where
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he has a chance to win a World Series.
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It makes no sense. The Mets look really, really
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bad. And any Mets fan sitting here
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today that is going to make excuses for the Mets on this
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deal. David Stearns should be fired
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after this year if this doesn't work and he goes all in on Kyle
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Tucker or even bring in Cody Bellinger and Kyle Tucker and
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get Tarik Skubal. If if this goes to to crap, it
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goes that wherever it's going to go.
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I, I David Stearns should be absolutely fine.
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I don't care how close he is with the fact that he's Uncle
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Stevie's best friend. I don't care.
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This looks really, really bad because this guy grew up a Met
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fan and I'm talking about David Stearns.
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He wanted this job and now you're hearing that the
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Milwaukee, the Milwaukee Brewers, a lot of the players
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didn't like David Stearns. That David Stearns was really
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weighed out his welcome over there and he goes to the Mets
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and Mets fans were so excited. Oh, we got the best GM did it
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and the best GM just gave away. Gave away the best closer in
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baseball and arguably one of the best power hitters in baseball.
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Makes no sense. Yeah, David Stern was brought in
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to get the process kind of middled between what the Mets
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did previously with Billy and Eppler, as we, as we call them,
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get overpaying Max shares or overpaying Marte and Verlander
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and all those other guys that did not work out over here.
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And David Sterns is coming in with the process of we're going
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to develop like the Brewers. They need the middle ground to
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work and that's why they brought him in.
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But if this middle is knit, Picking over 3,000,000 for Edwin
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Diaz. But speedy, too speedy.
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When you say that, too, think about like, I retired with the
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Brewers, Yep. And got a little bit of
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experience. Like, do you think he tried to
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take that mentality from the Brewers to the Mets?
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When you have an owner that's going to spend like you, you
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can't take that mentality, can you?
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Well, that's what I'm saying. I think the middle ground of
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what that mentality was supposed to be with the Brewers, I don't
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really think has been adapted to from the pitching standpoint
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especially. And when you look at Edwin Diaz,
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yeah, David Stearns made a similar move with Josh Hader,
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traded Josh Hader to the Padres in 2022, and then obviously he
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signed a big contract with the Astros since then.
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Trust in the Brewers bullpen process to make that kind of
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thing work. The difference is the Brewers
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bullpen process even before Stearns got there was always
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good. They trade, they traded Josh
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Hader, Josh Hader, Corey Knable was the closer when Josh Hader
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came up and they had other good relievers in the past.
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Before that they brought in K Rod when they had John Axford
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there and it was a still a good system.
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The Mets have never had a good system of relief pitchers.
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The Mets on their World Series team finally got some good guys
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with Addison Reed, they traded for Tyler Clipper.
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They made that kind of thing work.
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Ever since then they have still been a mess in terms of getting
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relievers. Even with Diaz there.
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We always questioned, oh do the Mets have enough bullpen depth?
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They tried it the last year and look, look at the disaster
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turned into so that element. I cannot trust the process of
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and again, nitpicking over 5 million for Pete Alonso.
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Pete Alonso would have gotten five years, 150 in the market
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value from what was that was the rumor.
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And not even giving him an offer is just a sign of disrespect
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too, which is not something that you want to present yourself as
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an organization. And I'm not saying the Mets
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should adapt back to the Billy Eppler ways because those were
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terrible too. But if the Mets want to be
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respected as a good baseball culture, despite all the money
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that they have, they can't be treating their players like
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this. And that's where I think maybe
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the stingy of Sterns Brewers ways got to him a little bit.
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They just need to find a middle ground.
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And the other process I don't like that they haven't done yet.
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They haven't traded for a pitcher or signed a pitcher in
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their prime yet, which is really against their values.
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And they just tried to do what they did in two years ago and
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try to these dark throws of one year contracts and just not
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working. So do you think it's kind of
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both too and if you look at it too in the New York market per
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SE, right. Is it, do you think it's kind of
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in the same way of what like when George is doing it like,
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you know, making the Kevin Brown trade and like in signing those
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guys like trying to get that like the one year like see what
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they can do and if we can win? That's what they try to do with
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like Cantana and then they try to with Montana.
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George Stockbury would never have done this.
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No way in hell he would have lost Pete Alonzo.
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But no, no, not at that point, not at that point, but like, but
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he did do it. And exactly kind of what
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Speedy's saying is to like when they made those deals and like
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that's what George did too with like, you know, the Kevin Browns
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and the Randy Johnsons of of bringing them over and the Carl
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Vavanos and giving him his deal. Like of like when they were hot,
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like let's we're going to win now.
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But are are you really trying to win now or like what are you?
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What are you doing? Well, they're trying to win now
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because but I think what you're saying is.
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Valid to wait a second, you're saying that the Mets are trying
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to win now? And how are they trying to win
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now? They're bringing in Devin
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Williams, who had a bad season last year with the Yankees.
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And by the way, now, now on top of it, there is more weight now
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on Devin Williams now because he doesn't have Edwin Diaz.
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So now it's going to be and, and people have talked about it and
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his weight now has become tenfold.
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Yeah, he got his money, right? He got his back.
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But at the same time, it's like you've seen what he went through
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with the Yankees. Now you're the you're the end
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all that meets all for the back end of that bullpen, speedy like
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you're saying. And they haven't had that
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process of like having depth in the bullpen.
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What are you going to do if he shits the bed again?
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Yeah, and that's the process that they've been missing.
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Like, if you look at the rest of their bullpen too, Brooks Raley
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is literally the only other one I could trust in that bullpen
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right now. You had Reed Garrett, who had a
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good beginning of the year but fell off in the second-half.
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Obviously all the other relievers they didn't bring back
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yet because they were just a dead disaster in the
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second-half. And then same kind of thing with
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the starters too. Like I get the idea of not
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wanting to do what Eppler did, but at least go after somebody
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of quality, not freaking Frankie.
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Montes and one of our fans, Sam Kim, says that he doesn't
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believe and I'm reading what he said.
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He says it's not about the three million with the Mets, it was
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about giving him more than three years.
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And, and, and maybe that's true. Maybe Sam is right.
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Maybe the Mets didn't want to give him the five years or maybe
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not giving him the four years. Here's the problem.
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When you have a player of this magnitude, these guys don't grow
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on trees. You don't you don't find guys
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that are going to hit between 35 and 40 home runs and give you
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100 RBI's almost every single season.
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Who buys by the way, plays injured.
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If you look at Pete Alonzo's career, he plays the majority of
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the game. He was really only hurt two
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years ago. He's actually healthy.
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Every single year. So the Mets had a quality hitter
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in their lineup every single year and you're sitting back
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here and you're going to bet, hey, Cody Bellinger, Cody
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Bellinger can't stay healthy as back problems.
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So you're going to bet on Cody Bellinger or Kyle Tucker.
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Kyle Tucker has never played on an on a big stage like New York.
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I know Chicago and the Cubs, that's a big stage.
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But here in New York, it's a completely different ball game.
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There's too much pressure here. We've heard it and now you have
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guys like, you know, somebody who went to Boston who likes to
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take shots at the Yankees pitchers and, and we've seen
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hitters and, and all these other guys that have come to New York
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that haven't succeeded. And then you have guys like
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Jabba Chamberlain, who was brought up in the Yankees
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organization that succeeded here and when he went to different
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places, succeeded and won multiple World Series.
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I, I sit here today and I'm going to tell you this.
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I'm not a Mets fan, but I feel bad for the Mets fan because you
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sit here today and you're, you're trying to figure out what
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did the Mets do here? Did they make sense on not
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offering anything to beat Alonzo?
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They didn't offer him nothing. And Edwin Diaz sitting back and
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this is your best closure. This is your best relief picture
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you've ever had. If you really look back at all
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the times and all the relief pictures you had and you didn't
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go to him and tell him, hey, listen, Edwin, I just want to
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let you know we're. Going to bring he was probably
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the best one since Franco right? Speedy in my.
22:54
Room better. He's better, way better.
22:56
When you look at the analytics I've looked at I, I knew you
22:59
were going to say John Franco because John Franco is very well
23:02
known in the Yankees. The Yankees over the years have
23:05
always taken shots at John Franco because he loves taking
23:08
shots at the Yankee fans. I like John Franco, I like his
23:11
personality. I met him a couple of times.
23:13
He's he's as a long lasting Met and Saint Louis Cardinal.
23:17
So anybody that knows John Franco, you know the type of
23:20
personality he is, but John Franco never did the things that
23:24
Edwin Diaz did and Edwin Diaz stood for something else for the
23:28
New York met fans. One one thing is you're in
23:30
Queens and that's A to me, when you when you look at Queens,
23:34
it's very Dominican and Puerto Rican.
23:37
It was everything over there. They built their team, They
23:39
brought in Lindor, they brought in Soto.
23:41
They're building their roster. They have a if I'm not mistaking
23:45
their their their coach, their manager is Puerto Rican, right?
23:49
So they built it that way. And you have the best closing
23:54
relief pitcher in baseball, a Spanish Puerto Rican.
23:58
I think he's Puerto Rican, right?
23:59
Yeah, that that was where he got hurt, unfortunately.
24:01
What I'm saying you, you had the best Spanish relief pitcher in
24:05
all the baseball and you just said, you know what?
24:08
We're we're just. Going to It's funny you bring
24:10
that up too, because they've even said too when when he was
24:14
in WBC and he blew out, they were like, our season was over.
24:19
Yeah, like our season was over when we knew, like, obviously we
24:22
weren't going to have. That literally a week after he
24:24
signed his contract. Yeah, I got something that I
24:28
don't think yet we've brought up yet.
24:30
This feels like almost like a Michael Corleone, like hit job
24:34
by Stearns here. Think about this for a second.
24:37
Who were the clubhouse leaders on the Mets for the last couple
24:40
of years? Brandon Nimmo Diaz, Pete Alonzo,
24:46
Jacob degrom, Frankie Litt. Well, he's gone.
24:48
Yeah. I'm saying Jacob, the ground.
24:50
Yeah. Lindor is the only one left
24:52
standing. And you know, it's very curious
24:54
to me that these guys want to leave when we know that Steve
24:59
Cohen makes families like Juan Soto's family feel really
25:02
comfortable and safe at Citi Field.
25:05
It's such a wonderful experience that they couldn't get a Yankee
25:08
Stadium. I don't understand why anyone
25:09
would want to leave after the top notch service that's being
25:12
done for the families. I think it's so good that Juan
25:14
Soto wouldn't want to play for the Yankees.
25:16
He'd want to play for the Mets when guys like Diaz don't want
25:19
to play for the Mets. Alonso if even if he did want to
25:22
play for the Mets, for some reason Stearns is being cheap
25:25
about it. And I listen, I used to play a
25:27
lot of poker in college. If you have the chip stack in a
25:31
tournament, you use it like that's the whole point.
25:34
You bully people around when you have more chips and you get them
25:37
out of hands and you end up taking down more hands and you
25:40
win. But to your point, Fish, you're
25:42
100% right. Exactly.
25:44
It's chips in the chair, right? What did the Dodgers just do?
25:47
Exactly. The Dodgers just won
25:50
back-to-back and what did they do?
25:52
Let's add on better. We're better now because that
25:55
was our weakness. The Dodgers weren't playing
25:57
poker. They were playing craps.
25:59
The Dodgers are playing poker, but they rigged the deck.
26:01
That's the problem. That's what's going on right now
26:04
in baseball. Fish, do you play?
26:05
Poker with deferred chips. Well, they just have more chips
26:09
than everybody, right? Because nobody else is willing
26:11
to pony up the future like that. Though.
26:13
At the same time, like as as a player or like in in any
26:17
position, if you know that that's what they're doing.
26:20
And I know Air will go back this and call them the deferred
26:23
dodgers. But at the same time, like,
26:28
wouldn't you as a player if if you're going to be able to like
26:31
know you're going to have a chance to win, like why wouldn't
26:35
you go? And no, like, OK, yeah, my owner
26:39
will spend a lot of money, but he didn't do anything.
26:42
So why wouldn't I go over here? It's exactly what Glass now said
26:45
when he was with the Rays and did whatever.
26:48
Then he goes, he's like, you can't beat him, join him, right?
26:52
And if you're going to do that, why would you not want to play?
26:54
Like, why would you not want to play for a team that's going to
26:57
like put you in the best position that you can?
27:01
You know. To be able to win.
27:02
You know who the Dodgers remind me of?
27:04
The New England Patriots, those championship Patriots teams.
27:07
Now, they didn't use deferred money, but what Bill Belichick
27:10
and Tom Brady did and Robert Kraft did was they went to Tom
27:13
Brady. He was the leader and he knew he
27:15
was going to make money and endorsements and everything he
27:17
would take. A But also, but also Errol, let
27:19
me cut you off for a second, but he didn't use deferred money.
27:23
But what did Tom Brady do? He didn't take as much money
27:26
because he the dudes in front of him covered his butt to make
27:31
sure that he didn't get hit so they could win.
27:33
So he paid Carl Nix. He paid all those guys to cover
27:37
his butt to make sure he didn't get hit.
27:40
I I that was my. Deferred money, but not really.
27:45
But that that's my take. The fact here is, is the
27:48
Patriots did this. They they had ways of winning
27:52
championships and their way was is they had a superstar
27:55
quarterback that didn't care about the money.
27:57
He cared about winning and, and The thing is, is it wasn't
28:01
deferred money, but he took instead of taking 3540 million a
28:05
year at the time and being the highest paid quarterback in all
28:08
of the NFL, he took 18,000,017 million.
28:12
Cut it down because hey, I'm going to get Gronk back or I'm
28:15
going to do this back and I'm going to pay.
28:18
You pay Edelman, you pay what bring in another tackle that's
28:21
going to be able to protect me so I can win another 2 Super
28:24
Bowls. And that's what they did.
28:25
And that's, that was the the whole, to me, the, the whole
28:29
grind of the New England Patriots of those times and that
28:32
dominant period of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.
28:34
Now going back to this story and the New York Mets, I don't know
28:39
what we can call the New York Mets right now.
28:41
Do we? Do we call this we call the
28:43
Wilpons, the coupons. Now, I'm not saying that Uncle
28:47
Stevie hasn't spent a lot of money.
28:48
If you look at Uncle Stevie and what he spent in the last five
28:51
years, he spent a lot of money, but he put a billions and
28:53
billions of dollars into the wrong players.
28:55
You're bringing Marte. What has Marte done for him?
28:58
I mean, you've done everything and anything to make the fans
29:02
happy on investing into players that were not Mets.
29:06
And then finally you have long lasting that's like Pete Alonso.
29:10
And you know what, David Stearns didn't like him or they didn't
29:13
like the analytics or they didn't put the analytics
29:16
together in a way where they thought that a guy like Pete
29:19
Alonso is important to the roster.
29:22
So they say, you know what? We don't need Pete.
29:24
We're not offering him anything. We're letting.
29:26
Him go and that's something we talk about on the show a lot
29:29
too. And you can talk about this two
29:32
fishes as a coach, like what is that?
29:35
What does that do for the culture of the team?
29:37
If like if, if you're in a locker room, a clubhouse,
29:40
whatever, Like when they're either not like giving these
29:45
guys offers or not doing anything.
29:46
Like what is it like as a coach? Like how does, how does that
29:50
change like your perception or like how like, how do I get them
29:55
on board to like, you know, want to win and like you don't want
29:59
to compete for each other and everything when it's like these
30:03
guys and, and Brandon and he's obviously made his money, but
30:07
does that change the culture of like kind of what you'd want to
30:11
do to win? I mean, I've been in as a
30:14
teacher, not really as a coach, but as a teacher in some really
30:17
toxic places where you literally have people that are trying to
30:24
lead by example and they're being put out in front meeting
30:28
do to do all the work in front of everybody.
30:30
And then there's your do a bonus before Christmas.
30:34
And I worked at this place only a few months and they let her go
30:36
before she was supposed to get a 5 figure bonus and she was doing
30:41
everything there. And if you don't think that's
30:43
going to kill the culture of a place, then you don't know
30:46
anything about it. You know, as it's, it doesn't
30:49
matter what profession, if you're not going to respect the
30:51
people that have put the work in at the place ahead of you, then
30:55
people aren't going to like working there.
30:57
There's no reason to like working there.
30:59
And I think that's really the long story, you know, short of
31:01
all of it, you know, it's just kind of a bummer for the Mets
31:05
and your fans. I I feel bad for the met fans.
31:08
I don't think it's a bummer for the the the organization.
31:11
The organization stupid. They gave the reins to David
31:13
Stearns and David Stearns is right now.
31:16
Hey, you know what? We got Stone, we got soda, we
31:19
got Lindor, we got all this other stuff.
31:22
We're we're going into Christmas and we're, we're happy what we
31:24
have. Can I ask you a question though,
31:26
Errol? If you were, you were put in a
31:28
vacuum at the start of this offseason where you're like, we
31:30
got two guys we could choose to pay Devin Williams or Edwin
31:33
Diaz. Edwin Diaz, how are you throwing
31:35
that money at Devin Williams after last season?
31:37
Devin Williams came to New York with the Yankees.
31:40
He came to the American League East.
31:42
It didn't work out. It was a lot of pressure on him.
31:44
It was a different to me. It was in he was in a different
31:46
position. He has been successful in the
31:48
National League. He's been one of the best relief
31:50
pitchers in baseball for like 5 years.
31:53
He's been as dominant as any pitcher in the National and
31:56
consistent. And then he goes to the Yankees
31:59
and he wasn't. Now the Mets are thinking, hey,
32:01
you know what, we bring in Devin Williams, we're not paying him
32:04
as much as we're going to pay in Edwin Diaz.
32:07
And they thought, I really thought that the Mets thought
32:10
they were still going to get Edwin Diaz and they were going
32:13
to get him and he they were still going to pay him what the
32:16
the Dodgers were going to give him.
32:17
And they were never bringing Pete Alonzo.
32:18
I don't really believe the Mets were ever thinking about
32:22
bringing Pete Alonzo back. It was Edwin Diaz and then Devin
32:25
Williams and then they were going to go after a Cody
32:27
Bellinger or Kyle Tucker or make a trade and add a big, you know,
32:30
a big bat in the in the line do. You think they're going to make
32:33
a huge swing right now, though? Yeah, because 100%, you know, I
32:36
don't know if Uncle Stevie's going to be happy with it.
32:38
I know George wouldn't have stood for it as the Yankees.
32:40
Like he the first reaction Steinbrenner would have done to
32:43
something like this would have been to trade for freaking Mike
32:45
Trout or something like that. And then get and then get like,
32:49
you know, oh, well, he's great, but we got him for nothing.
32:52
You know, we're and then we're going to get three more guys
32:54
that used to be MVP. Maybe we can get something out
32:57
of them, but we're going to we're going to fire back.
32:59
I wonder what's going to happen if I'm a Mets fan, I think I
33:02
want to see some other tow job. You know, maybe it's you're
33:06
getting that Tarek Scubal. Maybe that's the move.
33:09
You give up the farm, you get Scubal, you pay Scubal, now you
33:13
have the ace for the rest of the way.
33:15
All. Right.
33:15
All right. So you're saying the Mets will
33:17
go after Tarek Scubal? That's fine.
33:18
Hold on. But.
33:19
But we're talking speedy. Tell us like from because you're
33:22
a Mets guy. We're we're not Mets guys like
33:25
speedy like is is what fish saying is, is that something
33:30
that you would like a serial killing or would they do it?
33:34
They they should be. I've always bashed the Mets
33:37
front office before even Stearns got there for not either trading
33:40
for or signing like a younger, either a younger pitcher or a
33:43
pitcher in their prime type thing.
33:45
And obviously school is probably the most extreme example of
33:47
that. But that process has been really
33:49
flawed for just the way the Mets have operated for not being able
33:53
to grow their pitching. Now obviously they try to grow
33:54
their homegrown pitching outside of the ground.
33:56
None of them developed well. So maybe they got they got
33:59
afraid and went to the other approach and then they went away
34:01
from the not not Scherzer and Justin Verlander 40 year old men
34:05
approach. And I just think they just don't
34:08
really have a good system in place to do it.
34:09
And I want to bring up that you brought up two job before that
34:12
in addition to the Devin Williams being thrown into the
34:15
fire, those young players, whoever's not traded, whoever
34:18
Vientos will start at first, you know, possibly Carson Benz to
34:21
come out and start in the outfield or you maybe Mauricio
34:23
if he's not ready or something like that.
34:24
You're throwing them into the fire for a lot bigger roles
34:26
right away than they would have imagined.
34:27
Sam Kim is saying that they're going to give him, they're going
34:31
to give Stearns at least two more years and because he wants
34:34
to mold and they believe he's going to mold the team the way
34:36
he wants to mold it. And maybe he's right.
34:38
Sam, you might be right. You very much might be right
34:42
that the Mets say that the Organs organization might say we
34:45
got to give Stearns a little bit more time to figure out how he
34:48
sees this team and where he sees this team in the future.
34:51
But you got all these young pitchers have McClain Tong and
34:53
all these other guys. Now you're talking about Tarek
34:55
Schuble. Now, if Tarek Schuble is the
34:57
guy, you're going to have to give up a significant portion of
35:01
your prospects to land a Tarek Schuble because there's no way
35:05
in hell Detroit's going to say here, here's the best pitcher in
35:08
baseball, the second best pitcher in baseball.
35:10
Him and schemes you can argue are the two best.
35:12
You're going to just hand them over over in, in the prime of
35:15
his career, 2829 years old. There's no way in hell.
35:18
And the Mets, after losing 2 superstar players, 2 important
35:22
pieces to the puzzle, is that enough to get you over the hump
35:27
to be able to compete with the Dodgers after them landing Edwin
35:30
Diaz and they're not done. They could get Kyle Tucker.
35:33
So I mean, as a Mets fan and I'm not, but as a Mets fan and I'm,
35:38
I'm honest to God, but believing that the Mets fans should be
35:41
pissed off. They shouldn't be happy about
35:43
this. This is is not a good sign of
35:45
where the organization is moving.
35:47
The only thing I could say for the Mets fan is sit back and
35:51
hope that David Stearns actually understands what he just did and
35:57
what he just heard when it came to the fans and what the fans
36:01
believed in a Pete Alonso whatever when Diaz was for the
36:04
last couple of years. That's the only thing I could
36:06
say. Anyways, that's it for a show.
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But we love you Jabba. It was a really, really, really
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good show. Speedy, who do we have on next
37:01
week all? Right.
37:01
So quite sadly, we had Charlie coming out tonight.
37:05
We actually have. Charlie, come on next.
37:06
Week we had, come on we had. By the way, we are moving to
37:10
Tuesday next week as well. Joining us at 8:45 is the guy
37:13
that used to play with the Montreal Expos.
37:15
Former Expos, Cubs, Padres and Blue Jays catcher Michael
37:18
Barrett will be joining us on the show at 8:45 to shout out to
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the the Lisa Ann Lover for. Getting that one.
37:26
Oh yeah. That's and on Thursday.
37:28
I love Lisa Ann. Confirmed with me earlier today
37:30
we have Yankees reporter Brian Hoke will be coming on top
37:35
little winter meetings as well. Do do pass liquor.
37:40
I also do want to mention as well congratulations to our
37:43
friend Derek as well. Derek, he, him and his wife just
37:46
had his first their first kid yesterday.
37:48
I wasn't. I wasn't invited to the wedding.
37:51
The Mountain Man the. Mountain Man didn't invite me to
37:54
his wedding. He didn't invite me to, you
37:56
know, be invited to that beautiful opportunity to see the
38:00
baby for the first time. That sounds like Dodger.
38:03
That's what it smells like anyways.
38:05
Thank you to death. By the way, give a shout out to
38:07
the Mountain family for another grandchild, Steve, Mr. Steve
38:12
Mountain being a grandfather. Shout out to a very, a very well
38:16
known person that I respect very well, my agent, Brian Mountain.
38:20
He's a, he's a uncle and he's a, he's a father too.
38:24
So shout out to the Mountain family.
38:25
We really appreciate all the work that they do behind the
38:28
scenes for me and us. Anyways, that is it.
38:32
It is wonderful, it is sweet. It is time to go.
38:36
I am not singing a song. I just want to pass and maybe
38:41
eat some food. So good night.
38:43
Farewell. We will talk to you.
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