Latest / Booked On Rock with Eric Senich / Mick and Keith: A Symphony of Rivalry and Harmony [Highlight From Episode 345]
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Here's a highlight from a recent episode of Booked on Rock.
- 0:03Speaker 1: Our guest is Kathy McCabe, author of the new book
- 0:06Speaker 1: Rock Gods, Icons of Rock Music. I mentioned up top
- 0:10Speaker 1: that there are five duos covered in the book. The
- 0:12Speaker 1: first of the five would be Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
- 0:15Speaker 1: Now this is interesting. Had you thought about picking one
- 0:18Speaker 1: over the other and what led to deciding to go
- 0:20Speaker 1: with a partnership scenario, specifically here with Jagger Richards.
- 0:25Speaker 2: Because that partnership is the Rolling Stones. I mean, if
- 0:29Speaker 2: they'd not met on that train station, you know, having
- 0:34Speaker 2: gone to primary school, Lost Tuch, there were neighbors lost
- 0:37Speaker 2: Tich mixed heading to the London School of Economics, Keith
- 0:42Speaker 2: is heading to Art school, and they just happened to
- 0:47Speaker 2: meet on this train station at that that minute, you know,
- 0:52Speaker 2: and Keith's holding the records under his arm, which you
- 0:56Speaker 2: know got I was always it me Sorry, now complain
- 1:00Speaker 2: the confusing I think.
- 1:01Speaker 1: It had the Blues records.
- 1:02Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Meek had the Blues records, and Keith
- 1:05Speaker 2: was was fascinated by the fact that he had these
- 1:08Speaker 2: these particular records. The other thing that really made me
- 1:15Speaker 2: want to keep them together as a partnership is because
- 1:19Speaker 2: it's one of the most fascinating dynamics in terms of
- 1:23Speaker 2: a partnership in contemporary rock history. I mean, they're such
- 1:28Speaker 2: different people, and we've come to see caricatures of their character,
- 1:35Speaker 2: you know, sort of evolve over the decades. It was,
- 1:38Speaker 2: you know, Mick was the serious businessman. He bristles about
- 1:44Speaker 2: that kind of simplistic caricature of him. Keith was, you know,
- 1:49Speaker 2: the rock and roll outlaw. He descended far more into
- 1:54Speaker 2: two addiction than Meg ever did, and battled you know,
- 1:59Speaker 2: heroin for years is you know, got arrested all over
- 2:03Speaker 2: the place on several occasions, and finally you know, got
- 2:07Speaker 2: his act together. But the fractiousness of their partnership, the
- 2:13Speaker 2: fact that you know, once Mix started going solo and
- 2:16Speaker 2: Keith found that such to be such an affront, even
- 2:20Speaker 2: though we gave him free reign to be in charge
- 2:24Speaker 2: of the Rolling Stones for the first time, is kind
- 2:26Speaker 2: of you know, the leader. Because Mick was off doing theirs,
- 2:31Speaker 2: he felt it was a real betrayal of the band.
- 2:34Speaker 2: He was furious about it. So that kind of dynamic
- 2:39Speaker 2: of how they fight like brothers. But also, you know,
- 2:43Speaker 2: particularly now, I think even though we've just heard, you know,
- 2:46Speaker 2: they've kind of put their twenty twenty six plans on hold.
- 2:50Speaker 2: And hope, like hell that that's just because they're tired
- 2:54Speaker 2: and not for any other reason. But the fact that
- 2:59Speaker 2: they've sort of come full circle now to kind of
- 3:01Speaker 2: recognizing how important that brotherly bond was, it's kind of
- 3:07Speaker 2: beautiful to me. Even though I love all the one liners.
- 3:16Speaker 1: There have been many. Yeah, I saw the I saw
- 3:20Speaker 1: the story that you you just mentioned Keith Richards. I
- 3:23Speaker 1: guess he's the one who's saying I can't go out
- 3:25Speaker 1: on a full tour anymore. I don't think. Wow, Keith
- 3:28Speaker 1: is finally he's showing a moment that he's actually human.
- 3:33Speaker 1: There's a point. Yeah, it's been you know, it's been
- 3:38Speaker 1: an amazing run of album tours, you know, massive tours,
- 3:42Speaker 1: and you wonder how he's been able to do it.
- 3:45Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm with you. I hope everything is Hopefully
- 3:48Speaker 1: it's just just as simple as that, and they just
- 3:50Speaker 1: got to slow down the touring schedule.
- 3:51Speaker 2: We'll see, yeah, which is a bummer for us because
- 3:55Speaker 2: I was pretty hopeful that Australia was going to be
- 3:58Speaker 2: back on the Root for next year.
- 4:01Speaker 1: But I thought Hackney Diamonds was great.
- 4:08Speaker 2: Surprised, such a brilliant album, and I think it was brilliant,
- 4:14Speaker 2: and I think everybody fell madly in love with that
- 4:16Speaker 2: record because it distilled the essence of what the Stones
- 4:21Speaker 2: have always been like, the actual you know, combination of
- 4:28Speaker 2: sounds and their influences, and you could hear them in
- 4:33Speaker 2: the studio on that record. You can hear them being
- 4:35Speaker 2: loose and tight and kind of you know, beating the
- 4:41Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle together in each of those songs. Really,
- 4:46Speaker 2: for that reason, you know, people just were like, yes,
- 4:50Speaker 2: you know, this is To be making that kind of
- 4:52Speaker 2: music in the twenty twenties is astonishing