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All right, what's up everyone? Welcome in to Inside the Hoosier
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Mind, brought to you in part by Military Broadcast Radio,
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helping give veterans a voice. Back here with the shy kid, Mike
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Hughes, as always, to talk some basketball, both NBA and WNBA,
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since the WNBA season officially kicked off this past week.
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Ton of drama, ton of heat, ton of stories that all has come
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from this. We're talking about the Indiana
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Pacers making it into the Eastern Conference finals for
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the second year in the row. And then of course, Caitlin
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Clark and Angel Reese's college rivalry continues on into their
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professional careers and whatnot.
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And we will dive into that because there there's a whole
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lot of whole lot of mess mess involved with that, Mike.
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But buddy, how are you? Good Sir?
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Appreciate you joining in with me.
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I'm OK man. My pregnancy is over my belly,
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my belly air has has disappeared.
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I had two hernia surgeries by the way, for anybody that didn't
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know, I've been gone for like 2 weeks.
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I feel like really making content just trying to do like
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little things here and there. I was, I was, you should see me
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rolling out of the rolling off the couch.
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Couldn't stand up. It was, it was nuts.
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But I think we're pretty good. I say there's a there's kind of
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a old school. I think it's a meme or maybe
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it's from Reddit or actually it might have even been from
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YouTube. It's like real old.
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There's a joke of like different ways of asking, like can you get
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pregnant and different ways of reading it.
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And Mike's is can you get pregante or not?
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And Mike is evident that you can just with her for sure couldn't
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fart, couldn't fart for. Three days.
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It was crazy. But let's dive into the first
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topic, buddy. So Pacers make it to Eastern
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Conference Finals for the second year in the row.
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Now, last year they got absolutely swept by Boston.
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But funny enough, the team that they had to beat to get there
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was the New York Knicks. Now the New York Knicks do the
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reverse. They take care of Boston.
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They make it into this first round.
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Now, what's written really interesting with the East, all
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of these playoff matchups have been pretty handed.
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I mean, the longest series involved, you know, the Knicks
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in both ones. They went four and two against
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the Pistons. They went four and two against
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the Celtics. The Pacers went four and one in
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both their series. Boston, you know, four and one
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against the Magic. And then obviously the Cavs
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swept the heat. So the East has been it's pretty
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evident as to who some of the top teams are in the east down
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the West little bit more interesting because the Nuggets
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and the Thunder both took their series to four and three.
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Obviously, the Timberwolves had a little bit of an easier,
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easier pathway because they took the Lakers down 4 to 1, did the
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same thing the Warriors 4 to 1. And they're actually in the face
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of the Timberwolves tonight at 8:30 on ESPN.
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OK, CS favored in this first game by 6 1/2.
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But back to Indy, though, Mike, for you.
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I know you're a fan of the Bulls, but you're, you know,
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you're a little bit of a neighbor right here to the to
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the Hoosier State and whatnot. You're not too far by what?
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What's your thoughts with this Pacers team at least kind of
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coming out 'cause I mean, they, they have been a little bit
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battle tested. You know, they, they beat
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Giannis and the Bucks, although it's not the same Giannis and
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Bucks that we've probably been used to over the last little
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bit. They also did have the benefit
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of Dame Lillard and his Aquilas going bye bye.
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So they, they got a little bit of a, a break in that.
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Now with the Cavs, they kind of had the real test.
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You know, they get the they could win both games in
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Cleveland kind of by Shockers, which is really surprised.
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There's kind of talks that Cleveland maybe is a little bit
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soft. And then again, they also get
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the the benefit of Donovan Mitchell getting hurt in that
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series. And then it was just a
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completely different Cavs team as a whole.
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So do you think they're ready to face A-Team like the Knicks who
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is just seems like the Knicks are in?
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The Knicks and Pacers are both so doubted.
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Nobody really had them favored to really make this type of a
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run. And one of them is going to go
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to the Finals. And yet here both teams are kind
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of proving beyond a shadow of the doubt.
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One beat the beat the one seed to the East and the Cavs.
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The other beat the defending NBA champion, you know, Boston
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Celtics and whatnot. So what's your thoughts so far
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on on the East, the Pacers and the Knicks?
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Yeah, well, I mean shout out to I think it was AW or WWE,
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whichever one had Halliburton and Brunson face off a.
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Year ago, they they. Did predict that, which I
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thought was really cool and it's at first I thought it was AI
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when I saw it because I actually didn't see that original
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whatever that was a year ago. So to see that now I was like,
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oh, this is cool little AI thing they just did.
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And they were like, no, it's real.
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And I was like, oh, that's incredible.
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Like that is that is super cool that that that's happening right
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now. And especially I bet they're
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probably not talking at the moment, but they will talk about
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that at some point between Brunton and Halliburton on how
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cool that experience was. Also wanted to give my flowers
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to Halliburton. I don't know if you saw what
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happened to that Indiana Pacers fan in New York the other night
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getting bags thrown on him. I mean, you could just imagine
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what's inside of those bags and getting not what I mean, I don't
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believe he was assaulted physically by anybody, but they
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it was a mob of Knicks fans going crazy.
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Halliburton actually is flying him out for Game 4IN Indy.
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He's a local fireman, a local first responder.
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So that's really cool to see him be able to get that opportunity.
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I don't know if you know, MM would be wearing a Bulls jersey
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in New York to get Game 4 tickets in Chicago.
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Maybe I got to know what's in those bags, Tone.
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I got to know what's in those. I'm not getting pissed or
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anything thrown on me. I can't.
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Are you? Are you risking it?
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I say, 'cause that that's dedication that that would
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honestly like, even though I'm not a Cowboys fan anymore, that
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that would be like me still taking some of the Cowboys
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jerseys I got going to Philly, like to a home game and not
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expecting to get like a beer thrown at me or getting, you
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know, flipped off or cussed out or whatnot, like.
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So I'll, I'll, I'll flip it to make it make more sense for you
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because obviously basketball, it's, it's a, you have a love
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for basketball, but football is where your heart is.
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Would you wear a Dallas Cowboys jersey to Philly in a playoff
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atmosphere if it meant you got to go to a Cowboys Super Bowl
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game for free? OK, Yeah, I might consider that
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then. I mean, if it if it's to the
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Super Bowl, yeah, I might. I might and for people that
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don't know tone's about what? What are you tone like 6465
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something? Like that 63. 63 all right, the
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tone tone can hold his own. They got to throw those bags
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pretty high to get the Tony, you know what I mean?
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Like I'm 5/8, you just really got to just tip it over and I
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like I'm I'm hitting the ground, but you would do it.
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I would, I would go into Green Bay with the with the Caleb
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Williams jersey if it meant the. Barry made it to the.
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Super Bowl. There we go.
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Oh yeah, For the bears. Yeah, I'd do it.
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Probably got some boxing gloves on too and I'm going crazy like.
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Like, did you ever do you ever watch That 70s Show?
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Yeah, of course. Oh, when?
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When Eric beat that guy's ass in the Walter Payton jersey.
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Yes. And Reg, just like that's my
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son, That's that's my son. Only time I ever saw him proud
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of him, bro. But it was wild.
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But I don't know how we got here, but the Pacers, the
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Pacers, they're a unique team. I I think they're really cool.
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Somebody that I wanted the Bulls to draft, they ended up taking
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Patrick Williams was OB Toppin didn't have success with the New
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York Knicks was ending ended up going to the Indiana Pacers and
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is having a lot of success right now alongside Tyrese
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Halliburton. Miles Turner, big man shoots the
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three ball. Love what we're seeing from him.
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But overall, the the overall spacing and the shot creation
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from this team, it's really exciting and and I think for me,
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the biggest thing about them is being the overrated team.
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You know what I mean? We heard all year long that
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Tyrese Halliburton was the most overrated player in the league
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and he's out here calling game winners.
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You can find those videos on inside the Hoosier mine on
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TikTok and all social media platforms.
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But to see him really just own that and dominate on the court.
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We heard everything about his dad and how that's an issue.
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No more problems with his dad, you know what I mean?
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It's, they have, they have really locked in and they have
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really been the best versions of themselves.
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They, they hear all the doubters, they really just
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playing ball. And, and that's what I love
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Tyrese Halliburton is, is both him and his other personality
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because they had his two voices. They're both great.
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I, I, I think Tyrese Halliburton is 1 hell of a player, man, one
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hell of a person. And, and I really love seeing
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what we're seeing from them right now.
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Yeah. Here, here's the only thing,
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listening to a lot of other Pacers fans, especially the ones
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that I work with and what not. And real quick shout out to MJ,
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the world of conscious positive thinking for tuning in and Amber
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and Lauria from in Into the Weeds podcast, both both great
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hosts here on MBR. So here's the thing that makes a
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lot of Pacers fans worried here. And it and it I noticed it more
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during that Cleveland series more than anything, because to
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me, Cleveland was more of a test than the Bucks were.
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And I say that again as a very casual NBA fan.
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I didn't hear a whole lot of people thinking like, ah, the
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Bucks could potentially make a real deep run.
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Like it was one of those like, yeah, they're in there.
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If they do, cool. If not, yeah, we're not really
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gonna be surprised. Is when they got to Cleveland
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and they got that first win, it's like, OK, cool.
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They got the momentum. They came in hot, like they're
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they were ready to go. Then they get the second win.
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It's like, all right, you know y'all, y'all got the two big
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wins. You got the two big things out
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of the way. The next two are at home.
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You should be fine. One of the Pacers fans I worked
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with brought this up. She said that she was worried
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that the Pacers were going to get cocky and then, you know,
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Cleveland was going to potentially be able to come
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back. Sure enough, Cleveland dominates
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in that first, that first series game in Indy and then Indy was
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obviously able to turn around. They absolutely dominated that
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second game and they went up three one.
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That's my fear with Indy. And I say that because if you
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look on the other side with the Knicks, the Knicks to me, aren't
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really that team that may dominate you, but they're going
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to be scrappy enough that they're just going to keep
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fighting. And if you take your foot off
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that gas pedal, the Knicks are going to absolutely, you know,
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run, run all over you. And they're going to they're
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going to fight and claw their way back into into that position
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to be able to at least win the game.
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So that that to me is really, I think the biggest fear for the
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Pacers as far as being able to make a deep run is, look, you
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know, you, like you said, everybody has underestimated you
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this entire time. Everybody has underestimated
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Halliburton. Everybody has underestimated
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Obi. Like this is not a team that
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everybody said at the beginning of the season like they're going
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to make the playoffs. They're going to, they're going
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to do that. But we don't see them making
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another deep run into the playoffs as a whole.
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So. I like what you said.
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Like that, that sorry say that that's something to me that I'm
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like, if if I'm the Pacers, you you got to focus.
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You've been here before because you were able to do it last year
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and then obviously you ran into the buzz saw that was Boston.
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Now, obviously watching the games, there was some
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questionable sketchy calls from the referees and what not
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doesn't necessarily change if you got swept four and oh, I
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mean, maybe it makes it better and you got swept 41 and a
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gentleman sweep. But still like don't don't
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underestimate your opponent because again, you haven't got
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there to the finish line. You haven't got to the finals
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and you haven't potentially won the finals because whoever comes
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out of the West obviously is going to be a tall task just by
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itself because you got the wolves with Carl Anthony Towns
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and then you have obviously OKC the young, the young gun and
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team that is absolutely gone off the last couple of seasons
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realistically. So these next two, these next
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two series potentially, if they make it, is probably going to be
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some of the toughest that the Pacers have to face this whole
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season. Yeah, And I will say Cat.
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Cat is in New York now. So that's kind of like a right
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now problem. Anthony Edwards is the one in.
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Anthony Edwards. Come on, come on, it's home.
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Michael Jordan, you can't forget.
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I know, I know. But you know, I, I do agree with
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everything you're saying. It's something that wasn't
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really brought up too much. I feel like everybody talked
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about Damian Lillard tearing his Achilles.
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And as devastating as that was, like you said, like Giannis and
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Dame weren't really a tall, you know, Bobby Portis, obviously,
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you know, missed a lot of time after the suspension, neither
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here nor there. The big thing for me with
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Cleveland was Defensive player of the year.
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Evan Mobley missed a few games, he was injured.
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Darius Garlands are starting point guard, missed a few games.
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And obviously Spider goes down as well.
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You know, it's it's definitely evident that injuries have been
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a huge part of what has benefited the Indiana Pacers.
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But I would also argue that we've seen that time and time
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again. I mean, do the Warriors go to
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the Finals if Kawhi doesn't go down, if CP3 doesn't go down?
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You know, we we can have those conversations time and time
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again, LeBron with D Rose and Paul George and Indy and so many
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other things. So it's definitely a part of it.
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The only thing now is I would say, you know, they're fully
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healthy. You know, they're you're going
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up against New York and they're fully healthy right now.
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And you're really just going to have to go tick for tack with
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them. Now, I am very familiar with the
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New York play style that is Tom Thibodeau because he was the
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Chicago Bulls head coach for quite some time.
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I'll say the majority of these starters in the Eastern
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Conference finals are going to be playing over 40 minutes a
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game. That's just what it is.
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They he he tightens that rotation to AT you basically get
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5 1/2. He might not even give the six
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man a full a full shot. You know, like that's how Tibbs
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is. So the thing I do love about
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Indy is they do have a bench. They do have a guy like Pascal
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Siakam, who I feel like a lot of people forget where Pascal
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Siakam even is nowadays. They do have a solid bench.
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They do have a one, they do have a 2, They have a three miles.
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Turner can even take over in certain games.
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OB Topping, you know, it's a it's a revenge moment for OB
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Topping, you know, So it's exciting to see what he's going
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to be able to do. I think right now understanding
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depth and fresh legs is going to be the way and the.
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Key to beating the new. York Knicks, you definitely
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understand that Tibbs is going to shorten that rotation to the
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point to where Josh Hart is running the marathon once every
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two days. So, you know, it's it's
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definitely going to be interesting to see what Indy
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decides to do and how many minutes Hal Burton and others
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are going to be playing. Yeah, so real, real quick before
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we go, before we go to commercial break, who do you who
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do you have in the series? Like how many games?
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Oh man, I'm on the indie pod so I don't want to do this.
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If you got to go. Look, I'm going with the Ninja
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Turtles, man. I, I got to, I got to go with
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the four. I think what they were able to
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do playing together since Villanova, shout out Dante D
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Vicenzo, by the way, still in the playoffs.
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So the Villanova, they're all still there.
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They're just not together. I, I got to go with the guys who
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have been playing together for years and, and I'm really
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excited to see how they continue to grow, continue to develop.
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Karl Anthony Towns has been great.
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And I think it would be 1 hell of a storyline if the two teams
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that traded with each other in the offseason in the New York
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Knicks and the Minnesota Timberwolves for Julius Randle,
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Dante Di Vincenzo and Karl Anthony Towns ended up playing
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each other in the finals. To see who really won that
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trade. I, I think it would be really
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incredible. But in this series, you know, I
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think you have the most clutch player in the league versus the
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most overrated player in the league.
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That's according to their peers and Jaylen Brunson and Ty
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Halliburton. So you're going to find out
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who's really clutch and who's really overrated in this series.
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It's going to come down to which one of them can really step up,
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because I know what I know what Cat can do.
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I know what OG Anobi can do. Pascal Siako.
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Miles Turner But who are those two guards going to be when the
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stage is the brightest Madison Square Garden and you're going
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straight to Indy? There's a lot of different
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that's a culture shock right there.
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That's that's that's going to be very interesting.
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So you got Pat McAfee in your corner too.
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So I'm rooting for Indy just for inside the Hoosier mind and
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content creation. I think it would be great.
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Also, I'm right next door, so you'll see me outside my window
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like watching, but I'll look over the lake and be like,
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Tone's doing it, but it's I'm going to go New York.
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I'm going to go to New York. New York in how many games?
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That's when people get mad. I'm going to say New York in
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five new. York in five.
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OK, I was trying to think of a clever like Shannon Sharp
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equivalent, like saying like Tyrese Halliburton and my heart
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hurting. Laundry detergent.
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Yeah, laundry detergent. Pacers in five.
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Acers in five fuck. But real quick, before we do got
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a break, though, there was a, there was kind of a cool
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statistic brought up that I wanted to point out here.
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And hopefully, hopefully it's all correct.
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But I think it's, it's pretty cool.
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Last four teams in the playoffs, OK, C has never won a
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championship. Minnesota has never won a
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championship. India has never won a
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championship. New York Knicks have won two,
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but their last one was in 1973. So no matter what happens, no
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matter who wins, no matter who goes and what not, we're going
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to witness A-Team winning a championship for the first time
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or for the first time in 52 years.
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Regardless of what happens and where everybody goes.
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So that's great. I feel like that's pretty cool,
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man. It's great for the game, it's
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great for the game, especially with I know we got to go to
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commercial, but like them 2000 tens with Curry and LeBron were.
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Curry, LeBron As. Special as it was, it was just
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like man. It's like the same team, like
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you had the Warriors repeat and you had the Cavs, you had the
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Lakers, you had the Celtics. It's.
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Legendary, you know, but like, you know, like it's not my team.
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So like the fuck, you know what I mean?
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Right, right. If it was the 90s Bulls, me and
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you would be like, yeah, let's go, right?
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But it's not whereas and we just watch other people win.
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Right. But real quick, we'll go to
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All right, welcome back into Inside the Hoosier Mind, brought
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to you in part by military broadcast radio, helping give
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veterans a voice back with the shy kid Mike Hughes to talk some
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WNBA. Now with honestly, what I also
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feel like is a great storyline, like there's a great storyline
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on the NBA side, like Mike alluded to, with, you know, you
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have players labeled as overrated or underrated.
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You know, you've got the trades, you know, like I just pointed
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out before the commercial break, teams that have a chance to win
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their first ever championship in franchise history or the first
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time to do it in almost 50 years on the women's side.
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For the WNBA, though, we got all these great stories from college
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basketball that now transferred over to the pros.
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And obviously what's bigger than Caitlin Clark versus Angel
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Reese? Obviously, it happened a lot
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during college with LSU versus Iowa.
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Angel Reese, of course, gets the the national championship win
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that Caitlin unfortunately was never able to do because let's
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be honest, when you look at the WNBA, not the WNBA women's
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college basketball and the teams that are there and the depth in
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women's college basketball, it's like night and day different to
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the men's, like almost every year for the men's, I'm like,
22:52
man, I don't, I don't know who's going to win it.
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And you really don't see it until like the season goes on.
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But man, you look at the women's side, you you've got Texas,
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you've got LSU, you've got South Carolina, you've got UConn.
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At the time when Caitlin was there, you had Iowa, you've got
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USC, you've got Ohio State, you had Indiana.
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There was on a hot roll for a little bit like you've got all
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of these big bad teams in women's college basketball, but
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of course, none bigger than Angel Reese and and Caitlin
23:22
Clark. Well, as it's transferred over,
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obviously Caitlin was kind of the, you know, golden child that
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everybody loved coming out of college.
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You know, she broke the NCAA's all time scoring record for, you
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know, the men's and women's side both comes into the fever with
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high expectation. Absolutely balls out as the
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rookie of the year and whatnot. Angel obviously feels a little
23:43
bit slighted and, you know, she made some comments of she's not
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the only person that has made, you know, women's basketball
23:52
great. You know, I'm included in this
23:54
too. And I and I will say as someone
23:56
who I'm going to try to play neutral because, you know, much
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like I told Mike, I don't really follow much professional
24:03
basketball. I love college basketball.
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I'm trying to get into more of the fever in the in the Chicago
24:07
Sky and whatnot. I'll say this, I think Angel's
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absolutely right in the fact of it's not just Caitlin.
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Caitlin's just who kind of got more of the spotlight on her
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than others. And you can definitely attest to
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this more 'cause I mean, I don't know, as many of the WNBA
24:26
players, especially a lot of the famous legends, you know, Sue
24:28
Bird is probably the biggest one that I know off the top of my
24:30
head, and that's probably who most everybody knows off top of
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their head is Sue Bird. But you know, Caitlin Angel, you
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know, Haley Von Lift out of, you know, LSUTCU Louisville, you
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know, Paige Bucher's, you know, Juju Watkins, like all of these
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women have truly made college basketball great and, you know,
24:49
have truly contributed. So Angel's not necessarily wrong
24:53
in the fact of you can't just give Caitlin the sole credit.
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Like Angel is also a part of that story too.
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So I mean, I know a lot of people hate on Angel for it
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because she's not as flashy. She doesn't put up the same type
25:05
of numbers that Caitlin does. She's not to me as much as a
25:09
perimeter shooter as to me Angel is more of a defender.
25:12
And you can correct me if I'm wrong on that, but you look at
25:14
her rebound numbers and whatnot. I mean, she's more of a defender
25:17
than she is an offensive, an offensive player.
25:20
But that's just me looking from the outside and and trying to be
25:24
neutral anyway. No, yeah, I mean the the some of
25:27
the shots. That that will.
25:28
If you're a Sky fan or just an Angel resupporter, definitely
25:31
will piss you off at times and do all the missed layups and
25:34
everything that went into that. It happens, you know, and that
25:38
was a part of her learning curve was figuring that out.
25:40
Now we're only one game into this season, but we definitely
25:43
did see a lot of that as well throughout this game against the
25:45
Fever. And you know, it's it's
25:47
frustrating because you saw her work with so many greats
25:50
throughout the offseason. You saw her work with Lisa
25:52
Leslie and then and picking her brain.
25:54
Lisa Leslie. We talk about Sue Bird being the
25:56
most iconic, but Lisa Leslie might be the best to ever do it.
26:00
You know, and it's, it's frustrating to see Caitlin drop
26:03
a triple double if you're Chicago.
26:06
And then Angel just kind of be what she already was.
26:09
And, and that's where you're starting to see, you know, Angel
26:12
did get taken #7 overall, is there a reason for that?
26:15
And, and, and you know, we did it.
26:16
What did, what did a lot of people see that others didn't?
26:18
You know, because to me, Angel was, it was Caitlin Clark Angel
26:23
Reese Cameron bring that was what I thought was going to
26:26
happen. And for her to land outside of
26:28
the top five amazed me. Or not Cameron Brink.
26:31
It was Camila Cardoso that Cameron.
26:32
Brink, Whatever. But regardless, you know, it was
26:35
a very interesting to me, especially because of LSU.
26:37
She averaged what, 23 and 10, something crazy like that.
26:40
She was the number one scorer. She was incredible.
26:43
And then in the women's game, it's it's slightly different.
26:45
The rebounding is still there, the defense is still there, but
26:48
she's trying to find her own. You're right though, you're
26:51
right 100%. And I'm talking to Angel a
26:53
million times, covering the team and, and really doing what I'm
26:56
doing. And it's it hurts to kind of see
27:01
the conversation turn into something that's more than
27:03
basketball. The WNBA do their investigation
27:06
right now about what happened was Sunday, Sunday or Saturday
27:12
over the weekend. Yeah, Saturday.
27:15
Saturday was, you know, we were hearing racial slurs get taunted
27:18
towards the Chicago Sky bench. I didn't hear anything over the
27:21
broadcast. Obviously sky players were
27:23
there. So if they're saying it
27:25
happened, then it happened, you know what I mean?
27:27
But you know, it's it's unfortunate because it becomes
27:30
bigger than basketball. And last year I talked to Angel
27:32
kind of about that, about the Magic Johnson, Larry Bird
27:35
comparison of like, you know how, you know, Magic was this
27:38
arrogant, cocky, however you want to paint him to be.
27:42
And then Larry was that's that's an American, you know what I
27:45
mean? And it's just listen, everybody
27:48
listening to this, this is Mike's opinion.
27:51
This does not reflect the network or inside the Hoosier
27:53
mind. Maybe it does.
27:55
I don't know. If they if they want to own it,
27:57
they can own it. If not, it's completely OK.
27:59
But you know, Angel could be the worst human being in the entire
28:03
world. She could be a horrible person.
28:06
Not saying she is, but she could be.
28:08
And let's say she is. That doesn't excuse anybody to
28:12
be making racial slurs or taunting anybody of any form of
28:16
any shape of any color. Because the way I see it is like
28:19
this, right? You, you have a black family or
28:23
Hispanic family or Asian family sitting at a fever game just
28:27
trying to enjoy themselves. And you have somebody screaming
28:31
racial slurs next to them. Like my kids are here.
28:33
Like I, I brought them to a basketball game to see, like you
28:37
said, some of these empowering women who have changed the game.
28:40
And, and this is what's happening on the other side.
28:43
And that's, that's gone through the history of sports, whether
28:46
that's Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jackie Robinson,
28:48
Magic Johnson, Allen Iverson, you know, like we can, we can
28:51
talk about this all day long, but for whatever reason, on the
28:54
women's side, it's a lot heavier in 2025 than on the men's.
28:58
I see Draymond Green kicks a bonus in the chest, stomp them
29:02
out. And you didn't hear anybody
29:04
saying stuff like that to Draymond Green.
29:06
Patrick Beverly out here being a menace to society.
29:09
You don't hear people say stuff like that, that the fact that
29:11
it's happening to Angel, it's it's insanely unfortunate.
29:17
And I understand, hey, maybe, maybe you want to say that, you
29:21
know, she's not the best scorer. Maybe she gets a lot of her own
29:24
rebounds. Whatever.
29:26
I'm completely I I accept that. Like, I love banter like that.
29:31
I love when people say Clark can't play defense or Angel
29:34
can't score or like, like when they go at each other for that.
29:38
And that rivalry continues to grow because we know it is one.
29:41
These two women do not rock with each other.
29:43
I don't care what they say. They can make a commercial
29:46
holding hands running down the street into a rainbow forest.
29:49
Like they don't rock with each other.
29:51
That's clear as day, but what I don't like is when it turns into
29:57
a race war. Outside of them social media.
30:01
I've had to turn off comments on a video I did with Diamond to
30:04
Shields because everybody's talking about Angel and saying
30:07
the most horrendous of things. You think she's flashy, you
30:10
think she's arrogant, OK, that's fine.
30:12
But that gives nobody the right to say those things.
30:14
Tony, how do you feel being in Indiana?
30:18
Kind of just see hearing those things kind of happening.
30:22
Yeah, I mean it, it's disappointing as a whole.
30:25
And I, and I was going to say even even not just for like an
30:28
Indiana thing, but even as a whole, like you said, if if
30:31
you're mad and you don't like someone, that's one thing.
30:34
And if you and I feel this is what happens a lot of times and
30:37
I feel like This is why things get brought up is if you don't
30:41
have a valid argument for something, then you start
30:44
reaching for whatever you can to basically be that next jab or
30:49
that next thing to try to hurt somebody.
30:51
Because you can't, you can't formulate a good enough argument
30:55
either in your mind or in that person's mind of this is what I
30:59
need to do to be able to get my point across.
31:01
So you stoop to something like that in order to, you know, try
31:05
to try to hurt that person. And again, at the end of the
31:07
day, like these are two women that they play, they play a
31:13
game, they play it very well. Like you said, you know, if
31:16
people want to say Angel can't shoot, she can't do offense,
31:18
fine. If you want to say Caitlin can't
31:20
do defense, that's fine. But that's, that's part of the
31:23
fun of it. And I would say for a lot of
31:25
these people, you know, if you, if you're willing to go to some
31:28
of these games, obviously you have some type of vested
31:30
interest either in the game or even just in sports in general.
31:34
So if you've ever seen any type of a debate, whether it's
31:37
something like this, whether it's something on professional
31:39
news or whatnot, you never see them going that far of like, you
31:43
know, oh, hey, I'm going to take a personal shot now.
31:46
We've seen it because we saw it with like Skip and Shannon.
31:48
And then obviously that that ultimately led to the
31:51
dissolution of that show as a result of that.
31:53
And it sucks because both of them had great chemistry
31:56
together and it was fun to watch them kind of, you know, Duke
31:58
that out. If I'm Angel at that point, I'm
32:02
not going to say it's enough to cause me to like quit, but it is
32:06
something it's like, you know, I don't do this, you know, just I
32:10
mean, probably some of them do it just for the money, but you
32:13
do it because you love the game and you enjoy doing it and it's
32:16
cool whenever, like you said, if if that family does get to go
32:19
and experience that and you do get to show your kids like, hey,
32:22
look at these women who are at the top of their game and
32:24
they're just getting started and you want to, you know, share
32:28
that experience with your kids and make it enjoyable.
32:30
And something like that gets brought into it.
32:32
It it's disappointing and it's disheartening more than
32:35
anything. It ruins, it ruins the fan
32:38
experience. It ruins, I mean, there's people
32:40
who, people who will never go back to a game after stuff like
32:43
that, you know what I mean? Like that's, it's, it's, it's
32:46
crazy to even like kind of have those conversations.
32:49
Last year, Camila Cardoso and I were standing next to each other
32:52
and I could hear people saying stuff about her and it it wasn't
32:57
even near the and and that was like friendly banter, kind of
33:00
talking about her being a Gamecock at at South Carolina
33:04
and, you know, working with Don Staley.
33:06
Like it was it was fun rivalry stuff that even you being ALSU
33:09
fan would have appreciated. And then I stand by Angel and
33:13
you're in two different worlds. You know what I mean?
33:15
You're in a battlefield. It's 1935.
33:18
Like you're like, it's it's insane.
33:20
It reminds me, it sounds crazy and it and people are going to
33:23
be like, it's not even the same realm.
33:26
But if you ever saw the movie 42, there's this scene where
33:28
everybody's screaming at Jackie Robinson and there's a little
33:31
boy in the crowd kind of confused.
33:33
I'm like, why everyone's yelling.
33:35
And then he eventually just goes into it as well and he starts
33:38
doing exactly what he saw his father doing.
33:40
And that's the stuff that, you know, the WNBA, they're in my
33:44
opinion, they're a year or two late on this, you know, like
33:47
they're talking about, oh, there's no room for hate.
33:50
But last year it went the entire season before the the
33:53
commissioner or anybody really even said anything.
33:56
And and that to me is like, this kind of stuff should have been
33:58
already, you know, resolved or it not resolved.
34:01
I don't really know what you can do, especially on social media
34:04
side of things, but like, it's just super unfortunate.
34:07
Yeah, and it it it definitely sucks.
34:10
It part of it kind of reminds me of like and real quick before we
34:13
get out, it kind of reminds me of like AWWE script because
34:16
again, for that whole rivalry, Caitlin was kind of portrayed as
34:20
this underdog good guy that everybody wanted to root for.
34:24
Then of course she had the big bad villains in Angel Reese LSU
34:28
And then I I think just because, you know, Angel got to be cocky
34:32
and you know, like did the did the whole show on the finger in
34:35
the ring thing. I think that just added to, oh,
34:37
she's the villain, we got a. Caitlin.
34:39
Caitlin did it first, by the way.
34:41
I always want to point that out. Caitlin went like this first.
34:44
But that's we. That's another show.
34:46
And I'm just saying they also got that from my from my boy,
34:49
another LSU Tiger Joe, just, you know, about like 4 years before
34:53
him. He.
34:53
Got it from Cena. Like you know what I mean?
34:55
Like we could exactly we could all.
34:57
It happens. It happens, but nonetheless,
34:59
buddy, I appreciate you being honest.
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