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Flaherty, Bieber & Story opt to stay put, Salvy’s new deal, Yu Darvish out = Mason Miller the starter? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: A perk of a Game seven in the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: There's basically no downtime Monday hits you recap it. We
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  Speaker 1: have we still have manager openings. We had a one
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  Speaker 1: filled yesterday and then it's opt in or opt out city,
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  Speaker 1: which we're about to cover. So the MLB calendar is
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  Speaker 1: really nice a jay for show purposes. For our kind
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  Speaker 1: of show, MLB calendar is legit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the the free agent period lasts forever, so
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  Speaker 2: we always have something to talk about and we always
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  Speaker 2: have songs that producer Lady can make about things that
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  Speaker 2: you know take too longer than they should.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, that's a good point real quick before we start.
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  Speaker 1: If there's one big storyline to follow, like where will
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  Speaker 1: want go from last year? What is it?
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  Speaker 2: Where will Turk schooble next year? Mmm?
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  Speaker 3: Mmm, that's a new one side side note B where
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  Speaker 3: we'll top Tuck.
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  Speaker 1: But like, is that does that have as much intrigue
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  Speaker 1: as where we want to go?
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  Speaker 2: He's been injured the last two years? I mean no, not.
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  Speaker 2: It's there's not a guy on this year's free agent
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  Speaker 2: crop where you're like, man, this guy can like change
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  Speaker 2: it because it was supposed to be Vladdie Vladdie Daddy.
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  Speaker 2: But Vladdy Daddy instead decided to stay in Toronto for
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  Speaker 2: only five hundred million. I don't know how he could
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  Speaker 2: just you know, only five hundred million, but he decided
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  Speaker 2: to stay, and good for him. But the free agent,
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the free agent. Tucker's been hurt the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years. His production went down a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, bo, I guess bo has banged up though,
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  Speaker 2: So who's who's the big name? Maybe that's what I
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  Speaker 2: should ask you? Who's the biggest name? Tucker and Boba Schett?
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker is going to receive the most money. I
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  Speaker 1: think Bobachett's name is just as, if not bigger than Kyle's.
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  Speaker 1: And Kyle is super low key quiet.
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  Speaker 2: But is Kyle? Is Kyle a franchise changing guy? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Can he can? He single handedly? Because even Jim Bowden
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  Speaker 2: yesterday when we had Jim Boden on, He's like, he
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  Speaker 2: needs to go to a team where he's not the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Well do you pay a guy four hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 2: to not be the guy? Cory Seger?
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  Speaker 3: Cory Seger ask I would put him in that in
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  Speaker 3: that realm where you're like, man, you can pencil him
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  Speaker 3: in if he's healthy for an ops plus of you
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  Speaker 3: know one, So he's going to do his thing if healthy.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you can pay four hundred million if Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think every superstar is the leader of the team.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. I didn't say the leader, but
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  Speaker 2: I said somebody that you know. You don't have to
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  Speaker 2: be the leader, but you have to be someone where
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  Speaker 2: that can he is the team is the team is
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  Speaker 2: in Cory Seger is that guy in Texas. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: The team goes as he goes. I think Tucker us
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  Speaker 2: you think you think you think he's a guy, you
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  Speaker 2: think he can be Batman and he's not a Robin
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I think he can be. I think if you're looking
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  Speaker 3: for that, I mean, I think we've seen it in
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  Speaker 3: Corey Seeger. And besides the fact that Cory Seger plays
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  Speaker 3: shortstop that that's so tough to have somebody that's not
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  Speaker 3: the guy that's not playing a premium position. But I
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  Speaker 3: think if you at court Kyle Tucker to a lineup,
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  Speaker 3: that is a guy that you're always worried about every
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  Speaker 3: time you're playing against him. He can come up with
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  Speaker 3: the big hit he's always been. He's always been Robin
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  Speaker 3: on the teams. But he's played better than Batman on
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  Speaker 3: some of the teams. I guess not this year on
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  Speaker 3: the Cubs. He wasn't This year on the Cubs. He
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  Speaker 3: was supposed to be the guy, and early in the
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  Speaker 3: season Pa was the one getting all the love. PCA
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  Speaker 3: was like he was the don and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: he still just did what he did, did what Tucker does. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't have a good year.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker will not look at this year and say
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have a good year because he missed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: Good game for game numbers, he didn't miss as much
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  Speaker 1: as you think. He missed like three.
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  Speaker 2: But the second half he was not good. But you're
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  Speaker 2: paying for the whole season. I get it.
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  Speaker 3: The second half he wasn't as good. But unless you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna tell me he's on the decline, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 3: buy him at all. His second half wasn't as good.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I'm just saying the last two
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  Speaker 2: years he's been injured and the numbers have not been
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  Speaker 2: I mean twenty two homer seventy three RBIs and five
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  Speaker 2: hundred of bats is that four hundred and twenty two million.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just asking. This is not an opinion
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  Speaker 2: either way. I mean, he was a one forty three
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  Speaker 2: OPS plus, which is a little bit higher than his average,
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  Speaker 2: which is one forty. For his career. His OPS was
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  Speaker 2: down a little bit eight forty one. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just I'm just asking, like this isn't
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  Speaker 2: I don't have an opinion either way. I don't really
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  Speaker 2: care to be honest with you. I hope he gets
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  Speaker 2: every dollar. I'm just asking because, like Jim Boden said
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  Speaker 2: the other day, is he the guy he needs to
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  Speaker 2: be second? I'm not that Jim Boden's opinion. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying either way. I don't care get seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty million. I don't care, Kyle of whatever they'll pay
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  Speaker 2: you take every cent because they're going to try to
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  Speaker 2: limit your wages every chance they get.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's an all around player. That will change,
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  Speaker 1: of course, five years. Right if he signs for ten
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  Speaker 1: twelve years, he's not going to be known for his
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  Speaker 1: defense in base running five to seven years from now.
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  Speaker 1: My point is, right now, he's the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: lineup superstar. When he's healthy. The last two years, he
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  Speaker 1: has missed some pretty decent time. It was really two
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  Speaker 1: years ago where he missed half the year, But before
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  Speaker 1: that he had a really good run of durability. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you look at some of the injuries, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they're chronic. So I think that if you're buying into him,
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  Speaker 1: he'll be a factor in terms of playing time. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this is suddenly an injury prone player.
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  Speaker 1: But he's super quiet, and so I wouldn't look at
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  Speaker 1: him as the team leader galvanizing the boys. But like
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  Speaker 1: krat said, the Rangers go as Corey Seeger goes. He's
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  Speaker 1: not galvanizing the crew.
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  Speaker 2: So Kevin, what did Kevin Pallara say about the Rangers?
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  Speaker 1: But they want but they want.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not arguing that at all. Le
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  Speaker 2: Tucker's won too, Kyle Tucker one in twenty two. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's good debate. So we'll go over it to recap. Though,
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  Speaker 1: I actually think where will bo Go would flow better
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  Speaker 1: in terms of some type of fun animation. If producer
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  Speaker 1: Lady is listening, I think that would be fun. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: you're coming off the World series appearance for the Blue
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  Speaker 1: Jays and they're so excited and it would be devastating
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  Speaker 1: if he leaves. So where will bo go does stand
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  Speaker 1: out to me more than where will Tuck tuck? And
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  Speaker 1: something on terror trade rumors or something sounds intriguing. So
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  Speaker 1: just some fun that could pop up. I would like
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  Speaker 1: something annoying to.
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  Speaker 2: Not a producer. Ladies listening. She's listening. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: she does, making.
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  Speaker 1: Sure whole lot in case she's checking in a guest
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  Speaker 1: or something. You know, if there's some eighties music that
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  Speaker 1: fits the vibe, we're just throwing it out there. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's charge let's charge out. There have been a ton
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  Speaker 1: of opt outs. Most of them makes sense. There have
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  Speaker 1: been some opt ins over the last twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with Jack Flaherty. He's gonna stay with the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers for twenty twenty six. If he hit fifteen starts,
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  Speaker 1: which he did this past season, it gave him the
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  Speaker 1: ability to have a twenty twenty six to twenty million
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  Speaker 1: dollar option. If he didn't take this, because I think
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  Speaker 1: this is important, AJ the Tigers could have thrown a
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  Speaker 1: qualifying offer at him because if you remember, he'd never
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  Speaker 1: had the qualifying offer before that he was traded during
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season to the Dodgers, so he
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with it at the time. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think free agency went quite as he thought it
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  Speaker 1: would last go round, and he has been vocal about
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  Speaker 1: how it sucked. So thoughts on this decision.
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  Speaker 2: For him, this is what he wanted to do. Twenty
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  Speaker 2: million dollars is nothing to sneeze at. And this is
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  Speaker 2: he listened. If you listen, look at his quotes, and
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  Speaker 2: I've been through free agency. It's not the best time
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  Speaker 2: in the world. I mean, is it great if you're
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  Speaker 2: Wan Soto and if you're this guy and Cho Heeotani
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  Speaker 2: and all these teams are whining and dining you. But
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  Speaker 2: like his quotes make so much sense. He can make
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  Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. What's the qualifying offer gonna be twenty
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  Speaker 2: two million dollars, So he's gonna have to deal with
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  Speaker 2: what do I take the qualifying offer? And then I
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  Speaker 2: won't have as much value. Plus what he went through
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  Speaker 2: last year wasn't fun for him. He had to wait, remember,
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  Speaker 2: and then he ended up backing Detroit. He likes it
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit. He thinks they have a chance again they're
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  Speaker 2: giving him twenty million dollars. Good for you, Jack Flaherty. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: everyone says, oh, you know, it's not always about the money.
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  Speaker 2: Could he got more money by going on a one
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  Speaker 2: year deal if they give him the qualifying offer? Sure,
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  Speaker 2: but he's happy there, he likes it there. Good for you, bro, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I have no problem with this. Like good if that's
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  Speaker 2: what we want to be, do it, dude.
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  Speaker 3: And he's going to be thirty one years old when
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  Speaker 3: he's done this season. There's plenty of dudes that are
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  Speaker 3: going to free agency at thirty two. He's still going
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  Speaker 3: to be young. He I guess you know he has
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  Speaker 3: to re up his value at fifteen losses, four to
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  Speaker 3: six era, Like, Yes, he didn't have the best of years.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna deny that, So opt in, get your money.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna re He's gonna recoup his value here. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can ever.
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  Speaker 3: Put a dollar value outside of himself, putting a dollar
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  Speaker 3: value on it, what it means to be at a
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  Speaker 3: place that you like, I don't like. You can never
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  Speaker 3: tell somebody, well, you know this is why, and this
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  Speaker 3: is how much we feel like it's worth it. There's
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's probably not going to get that much
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  Speaker 3: more than the twenty one point seven qualifying offer anywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: So then you're like, Okay, I don't know this place
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  Speaker 3: that I'm going to go sign at. Yes, he could
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  Speaker 3: get another two year deal, but to me, playing where
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  Speaker 3: you're comfortable, they know him, he pitched there the last
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  Speaker 3: two years and he can finish what they try to
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  Speaker 3: do this year. Hopefully the team adds to that and
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  Speaker 3: recoup his value and he can get three four year
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  Speaker 3: deal till he's thirty five. Plenty of pitchers are being
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  Speaker 3: paid till they're thirty five on very nice.
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  Speaker 1: Contracts, and we have seen pitchers sign late and have
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  Speaker 1: significant issues. That's part of this as well. If he
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  Speaker 1: ends up having to take another one year contract and
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  Speaker 1: he goes somewhere he doesn't want to go, and he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know where he's going right now, he knows where
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  Speaker 1: he's going on November fourth, versus potentially February fourth, March fourth.
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  Speaker 2: He can get his place in Lakeland, he can get
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  Speaker 2: his place in Detroit already. I mean, he can have
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  Speaker 2: everything ready to go again. There's something to be said
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  Speaker 2: like krat said, for knowing where you're going, enjoying where
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  Speaker 2: you're at. Listen to somebody that took less money multiple
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  Speaker 2: times to stay with the with the White Sox, which
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  Speaker 2: I look back on and I was like, man, I
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  Speaker 2: should have got more money, But it was where I
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  Speaker 2: was happy, is where my family was happy, and that's
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  Speaker 2: where I liked and where I wanted to be. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean because at the end, I mean, I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to sign back there again after my last year there
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  Speaker 2: and they wanted nothing to do with me. But I
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  Speaker 2: was loyal all those years until you know, then I
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  Speaker 2: was a free agent again and they didn't want anything
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  Speaker 2: to do with me. So I mean, you know, but
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  Speaker 2: for those eight years where I was there, it was great,
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  Speaker 2: and I took less money to go there and stay
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  Speaker 2: there because my family was happy. I was happy, I
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  Speaker 2: had a place there. I knew what I was doing
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  Speaker 2: for spring training, I knew the people there. It was
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  Speaker 2: just a good place to be. So you can't put
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  Speaker 2: a value on quality of life.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, enjoy but enjoying, but enjoying that place is
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  Speaker 3: I think you play better. Maybe maybe I never got
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  Speaker 3: to stay in one place, so maybe I can't speak
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  Speaker 3: on this. But like if your family is taken care of,
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  Speaker 3: if they enjoy where you're at, if there's a comfortability
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  Speaker 3: there not a complacency comfortability, then you play. I assume
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  Speaker 3: you play better. I never got to experience that, but
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  Speaker 3: I would. That's what I hear AJ saying.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick. From a statistical standpoint, Jack flaherty one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty one innings this year for six four R
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  Speaker 1: Ray expected Era four O four a little bit better.
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  Speaker 1: But the stackcast page does have a lot of blue
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  Speaker 1: and gray. I mean, the strikeout percentage is twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: point six, that's eighty second percentile. A lot of the
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  Speaker 1: rest are not fantastic, so there's there's risk. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that is what front offices are looking at right. Jack
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  Speaker 1: was not going to be a wind and dyed guy.
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  Speaker 1: He was going to be.
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  Speaker 4: A well, I say, a little blue and gray on
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  Speaker 4: this part basketball VLO ninety two point eight, and often
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  Speaker 4: you'll see you start where if he's whatever ninety three,
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  Speaker 4: ninety four, ninety five, it's great. If it's a little
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  Speaker 4: lower that day, it's not like they're going to point
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  Speaker 4: out all the things, all the pimples, and he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have to deal with that now, so I.
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  Speaker 1: Give him credit. Good for you, go back to a
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  Speaker 1: place you like, focus on winning. You're getting plenty of money,
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  Speaker 1: fifty five million dollars left on his contract. AJ to me,
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  Speaker 1: this was a no brainer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And he had a good year of this
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  Speaker 2: year too. Let's not forget so this was one of
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  Speaker 2: those that was never going to opt outunless he went crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But he had he had good years. Yeah, he had
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  Speaker 2: a good year this year, so good for him.
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  Speaker 1: Did a good year, but he had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: injuries before that. So the question always is a do
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  Speaker 1: you like where you are? And then B or really
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  Speaker 1: it should be B do you like where you are?
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  Speaker 1: A what would you get as a free agent? Krats
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  Speaker 1: He's not getting to fifty five as a free agent.
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  Speaker 3: No, he might get fifty five, but they would spread
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  Speaker 3: it out. They would spread it out way more so,
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  Speaker 3: just because the shortstop class and free agency I don't
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  Speaker 3: think is very big.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think my biggest fifty five total.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think he would get that.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think he would get maybe two, maybe two
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  Speaker 1: years fifty five.
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  Speaker 2: He's not getting to fifty five.
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  Speaker 1: They said maybe he would get like three years or
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  Speaker 1: four years fifty five. I don't think you would get
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  Speaker 1: fifty plus guaranteed.
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  Speaker 2: To just give him take the two fifty five and
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  Speaker 2: then maybe try to sign for an other year or
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  Speaker 2: two at a time. Yeah, that's this was This is.
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  Speaker 1: A what do you get if he's a free agent? Though?
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  Speaker 1: AJ right now?
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  Speaker 2: Forty maybe two forty maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say two in the thirties, two thirty two,
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  Speaker 1: sixteen a year something like that, based on agent injury history.
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  Speaker 1: What were you gonna say, A Crafts we got a minute?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I just I mean, I love the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he came back from that shoulder injury and
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  Speaker 3: he's throwing the ball. Well, I know he had a
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  Speaker 3: stretch right at the end of the season where he
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: was really kicking the ball around a little bit, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: he said, maybe I'm getting a little tired, but I
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  Speaker 3: think he adds I think he adds a swag to
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  Speaker 3: that team that's needed. And if his defense stays like
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: it was all the way up until the very end
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  Speaker 3: of the season, they need defense bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be good for Boston and they'll have depth.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Marcella Meyer's gonna come back this season. Two's rookie and
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  Speaker 1: then got hurt. Hey may Day is part of the
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  Speaker 1: down the news. Chandler, rome part of Crush Shitty Territory,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: said the astros have placed Chas McCormick on outright Waivers.
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  Speaker 1: There were other tweets I think from Chandler about how
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Chas was really a great success story Kratz. I think
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: he was from your neck of the woods. He's definitely
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a Philly sports fan, and he was a late, late
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: round draft pick and they did a nice job developing him.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: He's had tougher times the last couple of years, but
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: he had some really big moments for the Astros.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: This is, you know, this is where you can get
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: extra value out of out of your organization. I think
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: some of the Astros have done really really well. Kind
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: of a unique right handed wing where what he does
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: is kind of scissors and he drives the ball the
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: opposite field with ridiculous power, and he's kind of he's
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: dealt with some injuries recently. It kind of played through him.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So you know, hopefully, hopefully a team sees his value
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: and experience and he can latch on somebody, maybe like
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: a nice little, small, one year big league deal.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It's just like a jose L Twove. That's what I mean.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: That's basically what he tried to be. It was didn't
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: do it as well, but he tried and he listened.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: He's he carved out a nice little niche for himself
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: in Houston, and sadly, the injuries started to affect him,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: but you know, someone team will pick him up and
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, he can hit lefties, or he can
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: do this, he can do that, and he'll find a
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: job and hopefully continue to have a nice career.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Good dude, good interview too. And by the way, back
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to what I was saying earlier, I was hyping may day.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: May Day in fact is on today. I think give
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: out the time three o'clock Eastern literally right after FT. Hey,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: we learned that about a week ago you Darvish had
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: surgery to repair his UCL and his elbow is pitching elbow.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: He's gonna miss the twenty twenty six season. It does
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: sound like it involved the internal brace procedure. From what
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I know, I only play a doctor on YouTube, podcast
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and TV. That is usually a quicker recovery time. That
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: could be more along the lines of the twelve month
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: range versus the fifteen ish month range. No, aj, I
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: think it's like three four months. Yeah, so maybe he'll
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: be back for twenty seven. How old is darbish?
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: By the way, I was about to look at up
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: forty one, I think ninety thirty nine. Okay, there's going
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to be forty this year. Yeah, I know, it was
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, so he's out. Let me just set this up.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: AJ from a starting rotation perspective for San Diego right now,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: they're coming in about twenty million dollars under last year's
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: payroll according to Cott's contracts, but that is taking away. Yes,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Michael King, both free agents. Now, let me set up
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the current rotation for them. Nick Povetta still on for
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: next year, coming off a career year great. Joe Musgrove
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: will be back next season. JP Sears Trade Edition along
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: with Mason Miller. During the deadline, Randy Vozkaz had a
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: one to eleven ERA plus. It was his best year
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and his velocity was up. Drake got to walk strike
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: cuts in general are very low, but back end guy
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: right now, mount Waldron's listed there, but they'll pick somebody up.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So AJ thoughts on the San Diego rotation in the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: work that they have to do this offseason.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I hope they get a payroll bump because otherwise it's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: going to be struggle city. I mean, I know they
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: have free agents, but man, you're talking about losing Dylan Cees.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Michael King, you Darvish, Yes, I know. Musgrove's come back.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: What do they do with Mason Miller. Do they forgot
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Robert Suarez is also gone too, So let's not forget
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that he's gone. So they're gonna have to figure this
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: out on the fly. This is why A. J. Preller
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Crawts kind of joked earlier that they would Probler would
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: trade all thirty of his prospects. Don't be surprised if
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the Padre has made some more moves. And I mean,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I'm serious, like you joked about that, but man, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: could see this being being the year Repeller has to
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: trade everybody. He might be trading guys that he ain't
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: even drafted. You He's like, well, we have the twentieth pick.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: We're gonna draft this guy, so we can trade him too.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Obviously I'm no good at making trade predictions, but just
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: scan what did the Tigers struggle at last year? And
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: maybe the Tigers they trade terror Scooble and they're like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you know what, we're just not competing. We're just not
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: going to compete if they trade terror Scooble. But if
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: they are saying, okay, we want to compete, what would
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the Padres have positionally to get Terrek Scooble because they
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: need some offense. I know, if they lose terror Scooble,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: they need pitching. But maybe they could use that one
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty million they offered Alex Bragman last year
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and get a Ranger Suarez and get a Franbervaldez type
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: of pitcher, not as good as Arrek Scouble, but kind
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: of a replacement, and maybe you get a big league
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: bat out of that very nice starting lineup that I
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: think has pieces, just not a lot of power pieces
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: from last year.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Should Mason Miller consider going back to being a starter,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Remember he came up as a starter. He's a brilliant reliever.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I've asked him on this show about it, and so
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: far he's been like, no, not really thinking about that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Media pundits, analytics nerds sometimes bring it up. I'm just
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: bringing it up. Here's an article from R. J. Anderson
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: on CVS. You Darvish's injury hurts Padres already thin rotation
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: makes it more likely Mason Miller starts in twenty twenty six. AJ,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that's a little clickbaity. I wouldn't say more likely. It's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: not really become a thing yet. AJ. Prowler hasn't said no,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But this is going to be up to Mason Miller.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Would you risk this? Miller did have injury issues in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the past, and he's been pretty damn durable and top
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: three closer in baseball.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I'd be if I'm Mason Miller, I'd be like, oh,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: we just lost Robert Soarez. Oh, I can be the closer,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and I can close forty, save forty plus games and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: get extra paid again and make another All Star team.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Like their ability was an issue with Mason Miller as
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a starter, I'd just like to see him stick with
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: what he is and go out and find someone else. Because, listen,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: no player will not I shouldn't say that because we
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: saw the Rockey Devers this year, but most players aren't
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: going to say if the team comes and says, hey
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: want you to be a starter, they're not going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: say no, we want you to do this. Once you's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: theither going to say yes, yes, whatever you want. I'm
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: here for the team. But if I'm Mason Miller, I'm like,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: please don't ask me that question. Just let me stay
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: where I'm at and have the ninth inning and save
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: forty plus games and go on to next year.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I have to disagree. If I'm Mason Miller, what maximizes
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: your value as a player. And now again, I'm not
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a pitcher and never worried about getting hurt. I never
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: was like should I do this or this in the
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: game because I could get hurt.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Now I got it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: It's different as a picture and closers are easily the
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: easiest to stay healthy because they are not worn out
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: like other bullpen guys. So to me, I'm washing away
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: like injury risk as a player. I'm just I'm not
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: thinking about that. What gets you the most money? I
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: think Josh Hater signed the largest free agent contract for
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a reliever. I think he beat Edwin Diaz's contract and
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: he got just over.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: One hundred million dollars.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: You can name handfuls of starting pitchers that got over
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars. So to me, his max earning,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, we got dudes getting eighteen a year as
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: starters that aren't very good starters. Mason Miller, if he
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: sees himself, if he thinks I can be a big
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: league starter because of how I feel, what I've learned
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: in my two plus years almost three years in the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: big leagues, Yes, I can make the adjustment from what
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I was before, and I will make.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Shoot in two years.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: If he takes what he does doesn't depend over. Starting
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: in two years, he could be a nine figure, nine
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: figure contract. I don't see that happening if he stays
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: in his current role.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You guys, remember Homer Bailey in twenty fourteen, never made
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: an All Star game six years one oh five. That's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I think still more in net present value than any
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: closer has ever been paid.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing about that. Though. Yeah you can say, yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it getting injured. I get that,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: But they tried this and it didn't work. Also, like
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the A's tried this, AS would have much rather have
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Mason Miller to be a starter, you know, cause there
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: was control problems, whether it was injuries, whether whatever it was.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: They were like, you know what, you're going to be
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: better suited. And I just think for the long term
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: of him, is he gonna make the same money? Probably not,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But is he going to make enough money where he's good?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, you know, Plus I don't know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I just think I think that if I'm Mason Miller,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm very comfortable with my role. I want
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to stay where I am. If they ask, He'll probably
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: do it. That's what I'm saying. He's probably going. Don't
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: ask these these just don't ask me.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm in between you, guys, because I don't know if
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they tried long enough and if it was the right
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: organization to try it with him just throwing that out there,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and I even stand corrected on myself one time we
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: asked him, it was more shot down. The last time
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it was asked on FT was when lance Lynn was
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: hosting an episode on August fourth, and he said, not
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: right now, but he said there are possibilities of that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in the future.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Six starts, six six big league starts. He had a
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: three three, seven eight era as a big league starter,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: thirty eight innings, sixteen walks, So the walks were were problematic.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: But again, guys learn. Guys learn, like you figure out
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: what your mechanics need to be, how you need to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: do this to recover, and you look back two years.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you even look back one year and be like, ah, man,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I wish I knew that. I wish I knew that
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: a year ago. It would have really helped to me
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: in this situation.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I if I were his agent, duh, no, duh. If
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I but if I were giving him advice, I would say,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: how do you feel?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: How do you recover?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: He had the thing with the diabetes that he was
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: diagnosed in college and it really helped him understand his body.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: So I think he's still on that journey. And I think, shoot,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: if the Padres, if the Padres could turn him into
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: a starter, like that trade that they made to get him,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: because they have a closer, Jeremiah Strona can step in
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: as a closer, so they're not afraid of the closer
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: position going down. It's just you're losing two elite closers
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: in one season.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Think it's a good topic. Maybe we can ask Mason
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: at some point this offseason if he's been asked, if
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it's considered, and the questions that Kratz is going over. Hey,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I've got a quote from Walt Weiss during his press
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: conference yesterday. Asked about analytics, probably because he's over sixty
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and people think he can't grasp them, that's insane, he said,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I've evolved with the game. I think if you don't,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you're fool. My philosophy is, why would anybody, especially in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a position of leadership turn their back on information. Alex
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Anthopolis has done a great job. His team has done
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a great job of blending the wisdom that comes from
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: being in uniform for a number of years and the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: information that's available out to us today and the technology
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that's available. You know, some fans AJ brought up how
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Hammer Territory was a little more critical of this move.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I actually spoke to some of the hosts and Hammers,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: so I gave him our perspective, and I think that's good.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's why we have shows on the FT network that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: completely disagree with us on topics all across the board.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It could be the CBA, it could be manager player decisions.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Whatever we're going one way, they didn't go totally the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: other way. They were just a little more of like
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a five, where I feel like our group was more
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of like an eight, nine or ten on the higher.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love what he said though, like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: you have to evolve. You can't nobody stays the same.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: If you stay the same and you're losing, Like you
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: have to evolve, you have to change. And if the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: game changes a certain way, if you want to stick around,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: you have to make some adjustments and I think Paul
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Weiss has done that. He said he's done it, and listen.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know people that were totally anti analytics
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: for a long time. And if you don't use the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: information properly, then you're gonna fall behind. So you have
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to be able to adapt and adjust.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I think the reason the old guys, as they're said,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: or the guys who are like I'm gunst analytics, is
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: they feel like they're experienced. They feel like and I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: had this argument with Willie Randolph. He's like, I don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: need to hear this stuff. He's like, and he's slowly
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: come around, and I said, how many games have you
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: watched managed played all that stuff? He's like, ah, five thousand.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I said, well, what if you had watched ten thousand.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, would that person know more than you?
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: He's like, well yeah, I said, well that's what analytics is.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Analytics is all the games put all in there, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: it's giving you the information. And just like Walt said,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: just a little nugget, I'm gonna take a little bit here,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: because one game, one little thing can swing one game,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: which can swing your entire season.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: To me, it's a high floor, high ceiling higher I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: like it also. By the way, remember Brent Strom has
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: been a pitching coach in baseball for so many years
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: as one of the older pitching coaches. Man, he was
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: frontline analytics way before it was Cool Kraft you probably know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: but man, he was spin Ray, fastball up, IVB all
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that stuff way back.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: He was sticky guy too.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: That hey that worked. That was analytics in the weeds.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: We covered this topic with Ken Rosenthal, so if you
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: want more from Ken, you can check out that clip
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: or that segment, but we are going to touch on
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: this ourselves. The most surprising opt in is Shane Bieber.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: A couple days after the World Series, he decides, I'll
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: take that sixteen million dollars player option instead of the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: four million dollars to buy out. So that means if
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: he had gotten twelve million bucks on the free agent market,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: he would have been richer. He's also signing back with
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the team that's going to take the biggest hit from
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a tax perspective. That's a real thing. As we always
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: talk about in the off seasons. AJ, how shocked were
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you that Shane Bieber opted to not hit free agency
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and do this instead. There are some that thought he
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: would get significant money. Tim Britton does a whole deal
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: on the athletic and said three years sixty something mil
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: if he was in the free agent market. That doesn't
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: mean he's right, But that's a big difference between sixty
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: three million and sixteen.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's happy there. We talked, you kind of
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: hit on a little bit. Maybe he likes the medical
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: staff there, Maybe he likes his wife is happy there.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Just listen, guys make decisions for all different reasons. It's
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: not always. I know everyone says its always about the money,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: It's really not sometimes about happiness. Shaan Bieber has made
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of money. Maybe he just is happy in Toronto.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: He likes the trainer, he likes the clubhouse guy, he
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: likes the food, he likes the city. I don't know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but he's happy there. He wants to try to run
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: it back. And all you heard from these Toronto guys
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was how much they loved each other. So I can't.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I can't fault a guy for one to stay somewhere
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like Jack Flaherty, I can't fault him. He likes it there,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: he's happy. Good for you.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I gotta follow, I gotta I'll be happy. Question what
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: if he had contacted the Blue Jays and said, hey,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: let's try and make something work, either short term or
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: long term before I even hit free agency. I liked
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: it that much. That gives leverage back to the organization.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: They're going to get a quote discount compared to the market.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Why do you think he jumped it so quickly? He
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was that excited coming off what he was. And I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Aja, I'm just curious, like, why
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't a team reach out like his team reach out
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, we loved this so much, let's try
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and work something out, whether it's one year deal.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Or maybe that's coming. Maybe that's the works. Maybe that's
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: in the works, and he had to make a decision. Now,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe they do like Salvador Perez does, and he signs
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: a two year deal down the road, right, Maybe that's it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: We don't know, but I know this is you have
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: what seven days after the World Series ends to make
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: a decision as a player opt in or opt out
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: in clubs. I mean, the World Series ended on Saturday.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: You don't have a lot of true time to make
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a decision to try to negotiate a new deal. So
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: maybe they came to an agreement said hey, I'll take
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: this one year deal if you guys pick me up
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: for another year or two down the road. We don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: know that he could happen.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like there's something else that we're not that
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: we don't know about this, Like just that he enjoyed
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: his time, that's awesome, but I mean guys, guys spend
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of time to try to get to free agency.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: They try really hard. He wouldn't have gotten a qualifying
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: offer after this season. He technically would get a qualifying
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: offer if becomes becomes a free agent.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's something something more that could come
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: out of us.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: That's a good point on the qualifying offer, and that
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: is a significant hamper on pitchers like him. Now he
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: does get to pitch a full season if healthy, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: show his value and then hit the free agent market again.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: But the biggest punishment in free agency is age. So
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you're racking up another year before you're hitting free agency.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And I would say this is a okay free agent class.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: This is not like a whole wow, there's just aces
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: left and right. This is one that he probably could
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: have capitalized on. And and AJ I think the starting
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Pitcher was valued a little bit more this postseason, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: this is a copycat league, and teams would have been
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like starters are pretty important.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's more to it. We don't know Scott.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: He made his decision, but let's not criticize the guy
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: for making the decision that he had the opportunity to make,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: and he made the decision that he felt was best
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: for him and his family. So congratulates. It's rare that
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: people put leave fifty million dollars on the table. That's
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that's rare. If you're thinking, you don't know that, we
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: don't know that he could have got fifty million more.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know the with with no qualifying offer.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: He's thirty years old, coming off the year that he did.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows that Tommy John's you know, six years you
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: get six years after your Tommy John. So it's not
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: like this next contract would be in it. So I
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: think it's commendable to him. Commendable to him, and eventually
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I hope we get to ask him about it and
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: maybe the more information will come out. Just because fifty
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: millions a lot when you're not when you're talking like
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: five hundred to five hundred and fifty million. It's when
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: you're talking sixteen to sixty six million, that's that's significant.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not criticizing, just pointing out, as we do on
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: this show, that it was a surprise. It was a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: surprise to many. That was big news, and I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it's important to cap it off this way since we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: do have a large Canadian audience. This is a banger
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: move for the Blue Jays. This is huge for them.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: They gave up a pretty decent prospect for Shane Bieber
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: at the trade deadline. Clearly that was worth it based
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: on the postseason run. And guess what, now, it's even
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: more worth it because you didn't know what was going
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to happen, but you anticipated that if he showed health
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and effectiveness, he was going to hit the free agent market.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: You just got even more value out of that trade,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: and you secured one of your starting pitching spots in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the rotation for next year. Huge news for the Blue Jays.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: They're going to do the best they can to bring
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: back as much of that group as possible. Many of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: them are already locked up. There's not that many, but
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: this was one of the question marks boom Bieber's back.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: We check out at MGM Futures and we'll do it
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: with a tweet. First, this news just came in. The
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Braves had let go of some of their coaching staff.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Freddy Gonzalez, Tom Goodwin, Rick Kranitz, Jeremy Hefner is going
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to be the new pitching coach going from the Mets
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to the Braves. Guess who the first base coach is
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: going to be? Antoine Richardson going from the Mets to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the Braves. And also not the same connection, but still
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Troy Snicker, who is Brian's son, a regarded hitting coach,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: is now over at the hitting situation with the Mets.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's what the title is, but
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: he's among the mix there too. So we have a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: lot of incest Braves and Mets action. That's not the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: right word. What's the word poaching? Yes, poaching. It's not
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: even poaching though, because they were like that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nepotism. Nepotism is the word you're looking for. Nepotism
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: is where you hire people because they have a name,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: You give people jobs because they have a name. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: think you're thinking of amphibious.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You're well, I think our grammar is on point. What
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: do you think though, I think it's a great move
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: for Atlanta if they're going to replace who they had
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a jam. I'm a fan of Haffner. I think he
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: got a raw deal this past season based on what
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he was given to work with. You know, you can't make.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: He's been good though. In the past, he's been really good,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: So I don't I don't mind this move at all
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: for the Braves. I mean, Rick Krantz was there forever
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and now he's gone. They needed someone with some experience
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they went out and got. And but my question is
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: how much did Walt Weis's having these hirings, because they
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: obviously got these done really fast after hiring him, So
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: how much say did he have in the hirings. That's
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: kind of kind of the next question that needs to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: be asked, Right, was he the one behind the scenes saying, Hey,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I really like you know, Jeremy Hefner, I really like
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Antoine Richardson, and so where was he at? But I mean,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I like these I like these hirings, their experience and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: they know what they're doing Brave.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So the Mets running this year, Hey, Anton Richardson got
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Juan Soto past thirty stolen bases. I'm telling you he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: had something going there over at first base that was working.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Mets stole much more than their sprint speed said they should.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Antoine, he gets it. He understands there's there's a few
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: first base coaches that put all the other ones to shame.
• 38:05
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• 38:37
  Speaker 1: knew that they had a club option for him, talking
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: about Salvador Perez for the Kansas City Royals who plan
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: on contending next year, but then they also tack on
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: another year. I mean, I was looking back, Kratz. So
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the details on this one first and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: then you'll enjoy the trivia question that I have for
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you guys. But he signs a two year, twenty five
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: million dollar contract for twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: He had a thirteen and a half million dollar club option,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: So it's a little bit less than twenty six to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: add a whole another year in twenty seven for his
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: ages thirty six and thirty seven seasons. Seems like a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: very fair situation. Do either of you guys remember what
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: his first contract was with Kansas City, Not like, oh,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the league minimum. I'm saying the first one that he signed.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Anyone remember what the initial number was.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Twenty million or something? It wasn't It was nothing. It
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: was thirteen and a half, wasn't it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So it was five years, seven million, with three club options,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: totaling fourteen point seven five million dollars yep. In baseball terms.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: That's not And you would think, oh, what was that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two? Now that was twenty twelve.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had just come up right when he
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: signed it. He was super young.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was early, so you're including I get it,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you're including the league minimum years, the arm year's still
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you don't hear of anything that low. We hadn't back
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: then back then.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, back then, I would say I would I'll fight
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you on this one. I think I think back then
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: it was different because I mean, I know, listen, when
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I went to arbitration as a first year catcher, what
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I got, and if I would have been able to
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: sign a five year, seven and a half million, it
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been that far off. I would have taken
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: that as a pretty good deal, especially back then. I mean,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: catchers don't get paid. Until recently, catchers hadn't really gotten paid.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: So I kind of disagree with you on this one.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Like two thousand, I mean, yeah, he could have gotten more, Yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: but I don't know, just first contract. He's from Venezuela,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you know. I mean, not that that should matter, but
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: it does matter, man, it does. It does. Yeah.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Of course your money situation definitely matters wherever you're coming from.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I mean really, yeah, eight years, fifteen mil. For most
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: people in life, it's like, hell, yeah, I'm rich. But
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: in baseball terms, it ended up working out. I mean,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: five years, fifty two and a half from seventeen to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: twenty one, and then he signed another extension twenty one
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: spring training for four years eighty two. Now he's rich, rich,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: but he's also had a nice career at this point,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and a long one.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I played with him when he was on that contract,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: and he just he randomly brought it up one time.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: So I'm not even giving you my opinion. I'm telling
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: you exactly what he told me.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: He said, you have to think about the fact that
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: seven million dollars in Venezuela. I forget how many bees.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I wish I remember. They're called bees. Is what their
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: money is called?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: He said, that's whatever it is, forty nine million bees.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: He said, my family will never have to worry about
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: money again. He didn't say, Ooh, I wonder where the
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: rest of my money's gonna come from. Ooh, I can't
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: wait till I get my next contract. He's like, why
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: would I not sign it? He was like, I never
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: have any idea if I'm going to have guaranteed or
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: not the rest of my life.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Now my family will never have to work again in
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: their entire life. That was with seven million dollars. Now
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: look at how how much he's made.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hondo something, we'll probably close to one fifty career innings,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: if not more so. It's a lot of beets.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: And anybody, anybody that ever says, oh, he shouldn't take
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: that or you shouldn't take that money. That's you don't
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: don't tell someone else what their career could be or
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: should be worth, because that's life changing money no matter what.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, good stuff. You could say that to me about
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the last segment for bringing up Bieber, but just bringing
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it up reporting the news. That's how the off season goes. Hey,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: let's slap crats at you're up first.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I can't give one Chicago love without giving the other
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Chicago love. That and we're probably not going to talk
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: about him much this offseason because they've already made their
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: one off season move twenty million. Luis Robert, enjoy your
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: time there, Boom, What do you mean Jerry said they're
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: going to spend They did?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Fuse. They just did.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: They did. They activated a dude that they just won't
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: give up on because they feel like they should get
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: something for him. There were some quotes. Maybe we'll do
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a segment on it soon. One other thing I wanted
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to point out, No, you don't want to do a
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: segment on it. We'll see, Okay. We got fifty one
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: million total between US, Canada and Japan for World Series
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Game seven. All the numbers are in largest global audience
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: since the Jack Morris game seven.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Ninety one.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: That was a long time ago, ninety one, long time ago.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Good for the gay baseball's dying, right, Yeah, some people
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: want you to think. That's what people want you to think.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: It's not true.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So who's getting a desproyed and NBA numbers? MLB destroyed NBA.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Numbers, yes, for games set. Who's getting all that money
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: is that the players. The players are getting all that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: money from all that viewership, right, that's who's getting all
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: that money.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: That is an incredible number since nineteen ninety one. Of course,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: we've talked about the fact that Canada was super involved
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: for this go round. Japan is super involved for this
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: go round. So next year, if we don't see these teams,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: don't expect to get that global number thrown your way.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Perhaps they'll go with the domestic number at that point,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: But it was necessary to throw that number out there.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is a massive number, over fifty million
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: people tuning in. Now, I got a double check if
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that was the average. Yeah, that's the average audience. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: always like to point that part out too. There are
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: more people that actually tuned in. That's the average concurrent audience,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: as in at one period of time throughout the game.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: That is the average that you would see on the screen,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Like if you were watching YouTube right, you would see
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the average for the globe at fifty one million.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: What was it last year?
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Because it was Dodgers Yankees, Everyone's like, whoa media darling
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Dodgers Yankees.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I got it. The series wasn't good. It wasn't that.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that high.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It was Nope, it wasn't close to that high. From
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: what I recall, guess it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Was good, but it wasn't that thirties. I wouldn't even
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: say it was that high. I bet.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: This was like a dream world series.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: People were into this. People were into this World series
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons. One, Toronto was a new
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: team that people hadn't seen a whole lot of. And two,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you had a lot of people that tuned in to
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: watch the Dodgers lose because they were ruining baseball. So
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: there was people that tuned in for hate, and there
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: was people that tuned in to watch another team win
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: that was new. So this was Yes, as much as
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: people don't want admit it, this was a really good
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: World series for a lot of reasons.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: That's right, dominant, dominant, very cool. We'll let you know
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: any other numbers that come out, but I think that
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: was the last big one that we were waiting for
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: because we had gotten US and Canada, but there's Japan.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: It felt like it, it felt like everyone was watching it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: You know. I had a lot of casuals that are
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in my life that were like, oh I was watching
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: some even that were watching Game three, which I felt
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like was nuts. My older sister just watches maybe a
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: few games all year, and she was like, I watched
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: all of Game three. I was like why. I was like, you,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you watched all of Game three to go to sleep?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: She's like no, I was into it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll come up.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: When Trey Savage, this area was just on fire because
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: a kid from Boyertown was in the World Series, like
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: barbershops and salon. So when we get Trey Savage on
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: here one day, you know there was casual fans, fans
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: that would have completely shut down watching the World Series,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: watching this World Series, and they got drawn in for
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a great one.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Games in a good place, last comment here on the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: way out, and then you can watch Trevor Mays May day.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: We announced three new shows yesterday, and some comments were like, oh,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and baseball is dying yet Foul Territory is adding shows
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: left and right. We ain't doing it if nobody's watching
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and listening. So thank you to everyone. We're here every
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: single day. See everyone tomorrow