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Credlin | 18 December · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight. Even more government spending announced
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  Speaker 2: as Labor releases the mid year economic and fiscal outlook.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor about that. Israel's
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  Speaker 2: Foreign minister has a heated phone call with Penny Wong
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  Speaker 2: and fresh charges later against broadcaster Alan Jones.
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  Speaker 3: I am certainly not guilty and I'll be presenting my
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  Speaker 3: account to a jury.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's clearly no cost of living crisis in the
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  Speaker 2: halls of Treasury because they rounded out the year today
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  Speaker 2: with the biggest increase in non pandemic spending since the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. And that's not because of inflation. That's after
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  Speaker 2: inflation is accounted for a five point seven percent increase
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  Speaker 2: in real spending after inflation. Only during a financial crisis
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  Speaker 2: has spending increased that much. Federal government spending will increase
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  Speaker 2: next year and make up twenty seven point two percent
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  Speaker 2: of GDP, which, apart from COVID, is the highest level
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  Speaker 2: in thirty nine years. Spending will be up fifty eight
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  Speaker 2: point three billion dollars this financial year. With an extra
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  Speaker 2: twenty five billion added today, the budget deficits will be
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  Speaker 2: twenty two billion dollars higher over the Ford estimates than
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  Speaker 2: laid out in the May budget. But all Finance Minister
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  Speaker 2: Katie Gallah who wanted to talk about today was how
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  Speaker 2: great this all is for women.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I just want to make a few comments about women,
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  Speaker 4: because we've really put women at the center of our
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  Speaker 4: economic strategy since coming to government, and I may not
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  Speaker 4: get a question about it during the press conference, and
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  Speaker 4: whether it be through appointments such as the ones the
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  Speaker 4: Treasurer made to the Reserve Bank boards this week, but
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  Speaker 4: also into women's wages, to women's safety, and to the
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  Speaker 4: way we approach and value the care economy, which again
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  Speaker 4: is quite different to our predecessors. You'll see more investments
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  Speaker 4: in women's safety, in the significant additional investment into making
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  Speaker 4: childcare or early education and care universal, the investment in
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  Speaker 4: wages for those predominantly feminized industries. Even if you look
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  Speaker 4: at fee free Tafe where sixty two percent of the
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  Speaker 4: people using free tape under that program are women, Even
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  Speaker 4: the Heck's arrangements, where we know that women hold sixty
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  Speaker 4: one percent of the debts.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, well done, Katie. I mean, you know, there might
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  Speaker 2: be a reason she anticipated she wasn't going to get
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  Speaker 2: a question on that, because no one particularly cares. But
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  Speaker 2: I wonder perhaps whether the government has seen some polling
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  Speaker 2: that says they're in trouble with women, or perhaps women
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  Speaker 2: who traditionally do more work around the home are more
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  Speaker 2: acutely aware of how much the cost of living has
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  Speaker 2: increased because they're more likely to be doing things like
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  Speaker 2: the grocery shopping. So they're making an effort to say, look,
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  Speaker 2: it's not that bad, we're helping you. But the reality
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  Speaker 2: is that it doesn't matter which way they spin it.
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  Speaker 2: While government spending has been going up, household spending has
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  Speaker 2: been going down, or at least the money you have
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  Speaker 2: left over to spend at the end of the week
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  Speaker 2: has been going down. He was Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Today.
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  Speaker 5: This is a responsible set of books which reflects the
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  Speaker 5: very substantial progress that we have made cleaning up the budget.
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  Speaker 5: Two surpluses in the first two years, a smaller deficit
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  Speaker 5: this year, and then, even with some slippage in subsequent years,
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  Speaker 5: a two hundred billion dollar improvement in the budget position
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  Speaker 5: since we were elected, which means much less debt for
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  Speaker 5: Australians to repay.
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  Speaker 2: So this is deficit is smaller than predicted, and there's
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  Speaker 2: a two hundred billion dollar improvement in the budget, but
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  Speaker 2: that money is coming from you. Today's numbers show that
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  Speaker 2: income tax receipts are twenty one and a half billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars higher than expected over the forward estimates. So despite
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  Speaker 2: handing out tax cuts this year, they're actually making more
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  Speaker 2: in income tax. That, of course is because bracket creek
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  Speaker 2: is a real problem and while the government might pretend
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  Speaker 2: to fix it, they don't really they want to because
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  Speaker 2: it's worth so much money. Income tax receipts just a
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  Speaker 2: decade ago were two hundred and fifty eight point eight
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars in the mid year economic and fiscal outlook
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  Speaker 2: today for this financial year, income tax receipts are predicted
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  Speaker 2: to be four hundred and ninety six point zero seven
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars. The amount of income tax the federal government
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  Speaker 2: pockets has nearly doubled in a decade now. In the
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  Speaker 2: last decade, the population increased by fifteen point nine percent,
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  Speaker 2: and sure there's been high inflation in recent years, but
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  Speaker 2: the increase in income tax is far outstripped both inflation
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  Speaker 2: and population growth. All tax revenue across all levels of government,
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  Speaker 2: as you can see here, has exploded in the past decade.
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  Speaker 2: Any improvement in the budget is because of you, money
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  Speaker 2: that would be very useful in your pocket at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: And Charmers has the goal to say that things are
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  Speaker 2: looking up.
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  Speaker 5: We are on track for a soft landing in our
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  Speaker 5: economy and you can see that right across the economic
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  Speaker 5: indicators that we are talking about today. The economy is
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  Speaker 5: growing but slowly. Inflation is moderating, Real wages and real
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  Speaker 5: incomes are growing. Unemployment is low, a million jobs have
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  Speaker 5: been created, Participation is around record highs that gender pay
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  Speaker 5: gap has narrowed, tax cuts and cost of living help
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  Speaker 5: is rolling out.
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  Speaker 2: So he claims that real wages are up now, real wages,
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  Speaker 2: not will rages, though we are raging. I think about
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  Speaker 2: this result today. But real wages, according to the ABS
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  Speaker 2: are allegedly up three point six percent over the last year.
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  Speaker 2: But you tell me are you better off? Since Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: became Prime Minister, the GDP per capita has gone backwards
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  Speaker 2: for seven straight quarters. We're in the longest household recession.
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  Speaker 2: In half a century. But the Treasurer gets to stand
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  Speaker 2: there and say, oh, it's all good. Wages are growing
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  Speaker 2: and so's the economy. And that's the other one. The
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  Speaker 2: economy isn't actually growing. We are actually in a recession
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  Speaker 2: and have been for some time. But the government has
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  Speaker 2: plugged that with high migration and government spending that makes
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  Speaker 2: it look like there's economic growth without there actually being
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  Speaker 2: any growth in the economy. And that high migration and
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  Speaker 2: government spending is part of the reason, as Therba has
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  Speaker 2: warned multiple times that you haven't had an interest rate
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  Speaker 2: cut and probably won't for a while. Government spending up
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  Speaker 2: fifty eight point three billion dollars this financial year is
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  Speaker 2: a large driver of inflation. Also, charmers basically can pretend
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  Speaker 2: the economy is on track when it clearly isn't because
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  Speaker 2: households are spending less. At least Paul Keating was honest
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  Speaker 2: when he said this.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I just give you a few comments on the
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  Speaker 6: national accounts. The first thing to say is that the
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  Speaker 6: accounts do show that Australia is in a recession. The
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  Speaker 6: most important thing about that is that this is a
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  Speaker 6: recession that Australia had to have.
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  Speaker 2: O for leadership like that a Now, ambulance ramping is
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  Speaker 2: a problem across the country, but I don't think anyone
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  Speaker 2: has staked their reputation on it quite like the South
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  Speaker 2: Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis, who said in twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 2: before he was elected premier that he would fix the
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  Speaker 2: ramping crisis. It was a large part of Labour's campaign.
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  Speaker 2: They signs everywhere We'll fix the ramping crisis. Well they
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  Speaker 2: haven't fixed the ramping crisis. It hit a record high
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  Speaker 2: in July and now the state government is trying to
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  Speaker 2: gag a senior doctor from speaking out about just how
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  Speaker 2: bad the crisis is. Megan Brooks left the Royal Adelaide
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  Speaker 2: Hospital in twenty twenty two because she'd had enough of
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  Speaker 2: not being able to do her job properly. She wrote
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  Speaker 2: an a scathing resignation letter at the time read in
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  Speaker 2: part quote, the ED clinicians are horrified, as I am,
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  Speaker 2: by our daily inability to provide care to patients when
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  Speaker 2: they need it. It offends our very humanity and flies
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  Speaker 2: in the face of all that we are trained to do.
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  Speaker 2: What is not understood by those outside the ED is
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  Speaker 2: that we have looked every one of those patients in
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  Speaker 2: the eye and been forced to decide that another human
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  Speaker 2: being needs care before them. She was also highly critical
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  Speaker 2: of the financial practices of the hospital and the state
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  Speaker 2: government knows that she will blow the whistle if she's
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  Speaker 2: given a chance. Now she's been called up to give
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  Speaker 2: evidence in a coronial inquest three people who died after
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  Speaker 2: being ramped. That includes a man who choked to death
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  Speaker 2: on his own vomit. Dr Brooks said that essay Health
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't let her reveal official information quote unquote, which meant
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  Speaker 2: her evidence could breach the Public Sector Code of Ethics,
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  Speaker 2: which would put her at risk of being disciplined. So
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  Speaker 2: she said she wouldn't be giving any evidence unless she
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  Speaker 2: was compelled to do so by the coroner's court or
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  Speaker 2: she was granted immunity from punishment, and then the court
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  Speaker 2: gave her a certificate of privilege which would allow her
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  Speaker 2: to speak freely without fear of punishment. Well, the state
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  Speaker 2: government challenged that and today in the Supreme Court the
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  Speaker 2: immunity certificate was overturned, so Dr Brooks has now been
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  Speaker 2: gagged from blowing the whistle in court on just how
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  Speaker 2: bad the ramping situation is Dr Brooks just wants to
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  Speaker 2: do her job. She wants to stand up for patients
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  Speaker 2: and tell us what's really going on, but the government
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  Speaker 2: is too scared to let her do it. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that just about says it all.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you were watching on Monday night, what
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  Speaker 2: I think of the five remaining members of the Barley
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  Speaker 2: nine being returned to Australia. I think there are a
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  Speaker 2: pack of scum bags. They got what they deserved. It's
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  Speaker 2: not the responsibility of Australia to take back drug smuggling
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  Speaker 2: no hopers and then put them up on the taxpayer dime,
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  Speaker 2: which is what they're doing now. But things have been
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  Speaker 2: going strangely silent since they were flown in on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: We know they're in Howard Springs in Darwin, but there's
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  Speaker 2: been radio silence. No one's coming or going. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know when they'll move out. We don't know what sort
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  Speaker 2: of quote unquote rehabilitation they'll be given by the government
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  Speaker 2: to enter back into the community. Let's cross now to
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  Speaker 2: the Australians. Liam Mendez, who is in Darwin. Liam, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for joining me. You've been trying to follow what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with these five remaining members of the Barley nine.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's been a pretty frustrating situation for you,
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  Speaker 2: hasn't it.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, Caleb. Look, yeah, they arrived here
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  Speaker 8: on Sunday. They've had three rights in Darwin so far.
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  Speaker 8: You would have thought that the Albanese government would have
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  Speaker 8: had a few more things on their plate. But they're
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  Speaker 8: here now. They've got their chance at you redeeming themselves
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  Speaker 8: and contributing back to society. But it seems like the
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  Speaker 8: security has been ramped up at this facility. There's security
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  Speaker 8: patrols that are happening constantly in vehicles, they flashing torches
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  Speaker 8: into into bushes. It's quite bizarre in a way, considering that,
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  Speaker 8: you know, not even a week ago these guys were
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  Speaker 8: locked up in Krabakhan and other present prisons within Indonesia.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, it certainly seems like the Australian government
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  Speaker 8: wants this to go away completely. There were no tip
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  Speaker 8: offs of the media, so when they were arriving in
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  Speaker 8: they were wearing masks as well. So it's quite fascinating
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  Speaker 8: to see this unravel considering this has been such a
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  Speaker 8: huge story for two decades well.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the thing. You've got to wonder then,
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  Speaker 2: why they did it. I mean, maybe they thought that
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  Speaker 2: it would be a win and people would be on board.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I know when two of them
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  Speaker 2: were executed roughly a decade ago, Now there was outcry
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  Speaker 2: about that. I mean I didn't particularly care, but as
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  Speaker 2: a country, we have an issue with the death penalty,
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  Speaker 2: and Tony Abbott took that up at the time, and
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  Speaker 2: there was a level of sympathy then. But perhaps the
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  Speaker 2: government overestimated just how much people would have sympathy for
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  Speaker 2: these five remaining members of the Bali nine. And now
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  Speaker 2: they're not backpeddaling because they can't send them back to Indonesia,
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  Speaker 2: but they're almost pretending it's not happening.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's been funny because there's
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  Speaker 8: hardly any cars going in or out of this facility.
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  Speaker 8: There's you know, these security cars I've spoken about before
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  Speaker 8: that are going around, but everything screams off the government
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  Speaker 8: wanting them to go away as quietly as possible. But
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  Speaker 8: the interesting thing as well, as you know, these guys
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  Speaker 8: might have already moved on, it's my understanding that at
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  Speaker 8: the moment they're sort of getting bank accounts set up,
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  Speaker 8: they're having medical checks, you know, all those sort of
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  Speaker 8: things that you know you do need to get done
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  Speaker 8: if you've been locked up for twenty years. But it's
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  Speaker 8: the silence and the yeah, the silence around this is
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  Speaker 8: very funny.
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  Speaker 2: To say indeed, and you know, as I said the
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  Speaker 2: other night, it is extraordinary to think that there are
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  Speaker 2: people right now who are trying to work out how
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  Speaker 2: they're going to buy Christmas presents for their kids, and
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  Speaker 2: how they're going to afford to put on Christmas lunch
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  Speaker 2: next week and whatever. And you have convicted drug smugglers
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  Speaker 2: who are flown back into the country on the taxpayer dime,
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  Speaker 2: put up an accommodation on the taxpayer dime, getting taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: funded medical treatment, and then they're going to get taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: funded rehabilitation to go back out into the community. I
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  Speaker 2: think they've totally misjudged this one. Now, while you've been
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  Speaker 2: up in Darwin, you've also been continuing your excellent reporting,
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  Speaker 2: which you've been doing for some time on issues and
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  Speaker 2: Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory. You've been focusing particularly
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  Speaker 2: recently on domestic violence. So what's been happening up in
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  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 8: Well, if some of the things that we've been seeing,
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  Speaker 8: even in just the last couple of weeks in mainly
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  Speaker 8: Alice Springs, which is where I've been for about four
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  Speaker 8: days before coming here to cover the Bali nine or
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  Speaker 8: Bali five, now, I think that they'd be you know,
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  Speaker 8: people would just be shocked. You know, you had a
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  Speaker 8: two month old baby that was assaulted during our home invasion.
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  Speaker 8: Baby's been flown to Adelaide hospital. Thankfully it's okay. But
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  Speaker 8: the youths allegedly behind that home invasion, they're seventeen and
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  Speaker 8: sixteen years old. I receeve someone told me yesterday that,
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  Speaker 8: you know, they've been in the care of Territory families
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  Speaker 8: since and eighteen and had a zero percent school attendance record.
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  Speaker 8: You know, there's clearly so many issues here, but you know,
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  Speaker 8: I think there needs to be a look at some
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  Speaker 8: of the issues that we're also seeing with these tax
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  Speaker 8: payer funded departments as well as the taxpayer funded Aboriginal corporations.
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  Speaker 8: For example, Laura Teppa, this is one of the big
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  Speaker 8: Aboriginal corporations based in Alice Springs. They're chairman. Then my
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  Speaker 8: colleague Elly Dudley, broke this on a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 8: Their chairman was charged with sorry pleaded guilty to bashing
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  Speaker 8: his wife with this indigenous Aboriginal stick in a way,
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  Speaker 8: and you know she was hospitalized as well. But these
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  Speaker 8: are you know, he's at the head of this aboriginal
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  Speaker 8: corporation that receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding every year.
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  Speaker 2: I can't get over because we keep talk talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: You've done excellent work on this, and you know the
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  Speaker 2: spotlight needs to be shown here, but you've been strong
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  Speaker 2: on it. We've done a lot of it here on
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  Speaker 2: Sky News. A lot of other sections of the media
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, are reticent to touch it. But
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  Speaker 2: we keep talking about it and nothing changes. And somehow
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  Speaker 2: I worry that nothing will ever change because no one
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  Speaker 2: wants to open the Pandora's box. Now, quickly, before we go,
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  Speaker 2: a slightly better story you wrote this week, tell me
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  Speaker 2: about little Scotti the Baker. He's a fourteen year old.
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  Speaker 2: He was abandoned by his mother at five days old.
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  Speaker 2: But he's off earning his own money now and turning
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  Speaker 2: his life around.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's right, And you know, the beauty of Scotty
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  Speaker 8: is that he is proof that you know, there are
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  Speaker 8: opportunities for success in the space of Indigenous youth. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we hear a lot of negative stories and you know
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  Speaker 8: you're right. You know, there's a lot of media publications
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  Speaker 8: that are frankly scared of report hoarding on them for
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  Speaker 8: some reason, reporting about some of the fights that you
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  Speaker 8: see in the streets and domestic violence issues. But Scotty
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  Speaker 8: is this beautiful young man. He's fourteen years old and
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  Speaker 8: he is working as a bakery. Openly admits that he's
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  Speaker 8: got fas d ADHD. But he's one of these kids
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  Speaker 8: that's been able to be kept off the street. He's
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  Speaker 8: working in the bakery with Darren Clark. And we've got
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  Speaker 8: to give a lot of credit to Darren Clark, who's
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  Speaker 8: quite often on Sky News here. He is behind Scotty's success.
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  Speaker 8: He's been very quiet behind it. But you know, Scotty,
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  Speaker 8: I've watched him for the last year coming whenever I
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  Speaker 8: go and visit Alice Springs. He comes into the bakery,
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  Speaker 8: he gets paid and he's working there. But you know
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  Speaker 8: it's not you know, he's genuinely contributing to the bakery.
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  Speaker 8: This isn't a fake sort of thing for the cameras,
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  Speaker 8: because this is something that Darren's actually kept quiet for
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  Speaker 8: quite a long time now, and you know, he felt
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  Speaker 8: that the time was right. Scotty felt the time was
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  Speaker 8: right to he wanted to tell his story and to
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  Speaker 8: give some inspiration to some of the other kids that
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  Speaker 8: you see and I saw them earlier this week walking
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  Speaker 8: around our springs, some of them driving a stolen taxi
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  Speaker 8: and you know, running through red lights. And he's an
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  Speaker 8: amazing case study to show that things can improve here.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, with the right programs and the right support,
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  Speaker 8: we can get more kids like Scotty contributing to society.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we need. More of, Less talk,
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  Speaker 2: more action. Liam Mendez, keep up your great work and
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time, and I would
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  Speaker 2: implore you to follow his work in the Australian. His
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  Speaker 2: work in the Northern Territory has been peerless, essentially. And
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  Speaker 2: he's a one man band too. He's the photographer, he's
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  Speaker 2: the duno, he's everything. He's a great bloke. Now, former
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  Speaker 2: broadcaster Alan Jones had his first appearance in court today
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  Speaker 2: on indecent assault allegations. A fresh charges were laid against
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  Speaker 2: mister Jones this morning, meaning he now faces thirty four
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  Speaker 2: charges relating to ten alleged victims. He spoke outside court
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  Speaker 2: for the first time since his arrest, saying that the
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  Speaker 2: allegations will either baseless or distort the truth. Senior reporter
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  Speaker 2: Caroline Marcus was there.
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  Speaker 7: Caleb, it's so unusual for a defendant to enter please
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: at such an early stage in proceedings, the very first
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: court appearance. But let's face it, this is no typical case.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: It is Alan Jones after all, and his lawyer told
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: a court today that his client intends to plead not
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: guilty to all the charges he's facing. He also wants
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: the case to go straight to a jury trial. Now,
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: the eighty three year old broke his silence outside court,
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: reading from a prepared speech, and he used that to
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: proclaim his innocence.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Firstly, let me say this, I am certainly not guilty,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and I'll be presenting my account to a jury as
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you heard this morning. I will not be engaging in
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: a running commentary in the media. But I want you
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: to understand this. These allegations are all either baseless or
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: they distort the truth, and you should know that prior
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to my arrest, I was given no opportunity by police
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to answer any of these allegations. I have never indecently
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: assaulted these people. The law assumes that I'm not guilty,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and I am not guilty. That's all I can say
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: at the moment that I am emphatic that I'll be
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: defending every charge before a jury in due course. That's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: all I've got to say, and thank you.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: There were a handful of protesters here outside court today
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: who hackled Alan Jones as he both entered and left
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: the court, with one calling him a vile old man.
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: Mister Jones's lawyer also told the court that his arrest
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: had been choreographed.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Sky News revealed earlier today that mister Jones had been
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: charged with an additional eight offenses overnight, and an tenth
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: complainant had come forward. That was the total number of
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: charges that mister Jones is facing to thirty four. These
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: include nineteen counts of assault with an act of indecency,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: eleven counts of aggravated indecent assault, two of sexually touching
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: another person, and two of common assault. The new charges
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: relate to alleged incidents in Sydney and the New South
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: Wales Southern Highlands in two thousand and three and two
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: thousand and four. They include allegations mister Jones kissed the
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: complainant on the mouth, squeezed and rubbed his genitals with
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: his hand, and touched the complainant's genitals with his own genitals.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: The youngest complainant was seventeen at the time of the
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: alleged offending. Now, of course, mister Jones was a long
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: time TODV radio host. He was also a host on
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: this network on Sky News for some time, leaving in
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty one. He is still on conditional bail. His
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: lawyer had successfully argued to have that buried today, but
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: he the matter will return to court in March next year, Caleb,
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: although his lawyer has managed to get him excused from
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: that appearance, so it should be some time before we
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: see Alan Jones himself back in court.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, Labor has announced an additional fifty eight
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: point three billion dollars in government spending. As I said before,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor will join me, don't go away.
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Today the government released the mid year economic and fiscal outlook.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: As I outlined earlier. It's pretty depressing. Reading shows a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: fifty eight point three billion dollar surge in government spending
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: this financial year and the budget deficit projected to be
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: almost twenty two billion dollars worse than forecast back in
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: May over the forward estimates. He was Jim Chalmers today.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: But overall, when you look at those underlying cash balances,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: they get a little bit better over time.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor joins me now from Canberra. Angus,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Fifty eight point three billion dollars.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: As we know, the RBA has said multiple times that
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest drivers of inflation is government spending.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: There seems to be very little effort here to reun
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it in That's exactly right.
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: Australians ultimately foot the bill, and the bill was laid
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: out today, the bill that will be imposed on Australians
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: if we get another three years of labor, and the
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: bill that they've already racked up.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: So what you actually saw at the.
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: Heart of this statement today was over the coming four years,
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: two hundred and thirty three billion dollars of headline deficits.
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: That's over twenty three thousand dollars for every Australian family,
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: and make no mistake about it, cald that has to
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: be paid. It's either paid by taxes down the track
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: or in the current circumstances, by inflation in a more
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: immediate way. I mean, this is what causes inflation. And
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: if you want to get invation down to a sustainable
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: level and bring interest rates down with it, you have
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: to contain the growth in government spending. And this is
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: a complete file. Look, the only thing this treasury does
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: more than spin is spend and that's exactly what we
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: saw today.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Well it's the biggest increase in spending outside of COVID,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: as I said earlier, more than five percent, which is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: just extraordinary. Of course Charmers is trying to say, well
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of this was just unavoidable spending and indexation
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: on the pension etc. Was this spending unavoidable?
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: Well, this is a treasurer who looks for excuses wherever
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: he can find it. So if you go back, he
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: started by blaming the inflation crisis and the economic challenges
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: we have on Vladimir Putin. More recently he's been blaming
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: it on Donald Trump, on President g of China. On
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: the weekend, a little while back he was talking about
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: veterans and it was all their fault. Now he was saying,
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: I can't help it. I can't help it. He's like
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: someone who drinks too much going to the fridge. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: can't help it. But the truth is those automatic increases
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: in payments come from Labour's homegrown inflation and their record
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: levels of immigration.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: That's what drives a lot.
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: Of these numbers, as well as their spending decisions. And
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: of course that's what's driving this budget over a cliff,
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: just as they've already driven the economy over a cliff,
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: the biggest hit to household disposable incomes in our history,
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: and much higher than any other country. And Australians are
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: paying a price for all of.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: This, and this business goes on today. Oh look, there's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: slow economic growth, but there's economic growth, and there's real
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: growth in wages. Well, as I said earlier, I don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: think most people sitting at home tonight would be looking
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: at their paypacket and going well, I feel like my
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: wages are actually growing. We know that household spending has
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: gone backward. GDP per capita has gone backward for seven
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: straight quarters. He won't say we're in a recession, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: we are in a recession.
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: Well and seven consecutive quarters of family recession, household recession
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: where gdpeoper person is going backwards seven consecutive quarters.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Now, we've never.
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: Seen that before in Australia, just as we've never seen
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: the eight point seven percent reduction in household standard of
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: living that the real disposable incomes of Australians that we've
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: seen under this Labor government. I mean, it is a
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: disastrous situation. He's not taking responsibility for it, which is
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: why it's not being fixed. And of course, if you
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: ask Australians whether they're better off or worse off than
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: when Labour came to power two and a half years ago,
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: most of the time we hear worse off. The bad
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: news is what we saw today tells us that another
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: three years of labor means we're just going to see
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: more of the same.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, and what we see in the numbers is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that the tax take keeps increasing. So here we all
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: are worrying about how we're going to pay for things,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and the government keeps taking more and more tax. What
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: was the number income tax is four hundred and ninety
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: six point seven billion Now this financial year, which is
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a few billion more than was estimated back in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: May budget. When are we actually going to get some
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: real changes to tax here? They fiddled with Stage three
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and said you've got a tax cut. But it's all
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: good well to say you've got a tax cut. In
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the last decade the income tax take has doubled. They
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: are addicted to it. That's exactly right.
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: And look, the pathway towards lower taxes, simpler, lower fare
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: at taxes is to manage spending. I mean, it's not complicated,
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: but that is what you have to do. And of
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: course this government has lost control of spending, adding the
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: two hundred and thirty three billion dollars over the coming
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: years that we saw in.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: The statement today.
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: But that's why we've opposed over one hundred and ten
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: billion dollars of Labour's spending initiatives in this term of parliament.
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: And this is not essential health services or other services
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: that Australians rely on. This is initiatives like adding five
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: billion dollars a year of bureaucratic costs of camera based bureaucrats.
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: Thirty six thousand camera based bureaucrats are being added by
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: this government right now. I mean, that's the kind of
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: unnecessary spending we're seeing from labor. But let's face it,
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: it is a big spending, big taxing, big Australia, big immigration,
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: labor government in the tradition of labor, left wing governments,
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: and we continue to see more of the same.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: And employing all those public servants and importing all those
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: margarants is how you get alleged economic growth. It ain't real.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor, thank you so much for your time. Well.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk and Nigel Farage have been hanging out at
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Mara Lago. Farage put this picture up on x and
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the two apparently talked money because Musk is considering giving
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a donation to Farage's Reform UK party. I think Farage
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: wants to have a proper tilted becoming PM. On the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: current polling, it wouldn't be impossible, and Musk certainly has
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the sort of money to help him do it. Joining
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: me now from London is News Corp Australia's europe correspondent
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth. Thank you so much for joining me, Sophie.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: What do you think this would do for Reform UK?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, Musk, I think was integral in the re
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: election of Donald Trump. He was there supporting him the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: whole way. Of course, now he's going to be part
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: of Trump's cabinet, or not his actual cabinet, but sort
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: of the outer cabinet. It's not an official position, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: if he were to throw his hat in the ring
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and give some money to Farage as well, you'd have
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to think it had put Reform in a very strong position.
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, Caleb.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: And there's a lot of very nervous people over here
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: in London, notably the Tory Party, because Reform UK is
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: absolutely building momentum.
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: They're getting headlines every day.
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: There's not a day that goes by here in recent
• 30:32
  Speaker 12: weeks where you're either not hearing about Nigel Prage, the
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: businessman Nick Candy or Ila Musk and join the three together.
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: And if Musk does actually give this money.
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: To Reform, this is a huge shot in the arm
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: for them because they are a force of nature.
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: Here at the moment.
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: They're a real threat to the Tory Party because as
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: we know, at the general election in July, there was
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: a huge shift away from the Tory Party. While Reform
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: only picked up five seats in the general election, they
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: are gathering support, and I expect this to continue to
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: grow and only grow further if Musk is willing to
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: give the one hundred million dollars that has been reported
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: here today that he may give to the party.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the extraordinary thing, right because on the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: most recent polling I looked at, Reform is only about
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: six points behind Labor, which is currently in government because
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: they've won him a landslide. But to sukis Dahmer's managed
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: to squander a lot of that in the four odd
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: months he's been Prime minister. But that there are only
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: six points behind the government, so they can give Labor
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: a good run for their money, and if they give
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the Tories a good run for their money, to see
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a changing of the guard, a major party in one
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of our western allies fall apart and be replaced by
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: another is something we have not seen in a very
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: Well, look, Caleb, I think we're a long from that. Yes,
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: it's heading in that direction, but whether they overtake the
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: Tory Party is another thing. We're not at that point yet.
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: But there are people concerned over here, particularly within the Conservatives,
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: about the threat that Nigel Farrage is, and really there
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: must be a lot of people in the Tory Party
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: questioning why they didn't bring Nigel Frage into their camp,
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: because now he's an agitator against them. He's taking the
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: votes away from them, and he's the one getting the
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: headlines here, not the Tory Party. He's taking headlines away
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: from Kiirs Stama, and I would argue for good reason,
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: because he's a threat to.
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: Both of them and they are concerned about him.
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And of course the only problem is that with the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: first past the post voting system, you need to get
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: a critical mass of voters in more places in order
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: to translate it into seats. But we'll see how that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: all plays out.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Richard Marles and Penny Wong are in the UK right
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: now and they've announced more Australian help for Ukraine. What
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: have they been up to, Well, that's.
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: Right, Senator Wong and the Deputy Prime Minister have been
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: traveling through the UK and Europe.
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: And they announced earlier in.
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: The week they will continue to support Ukraine. Now we
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: know that they have been supporting supportive of Ukraine, but they've.
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: Continued this through until at least the end of next year.
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: And this is obviously extremely beneficial for Ukraine to have
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: Australia and the UK support based behind them.
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: But of course there also.
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: Remains a questions of what is the Australian government doing
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: with Israel And we know there are many questions being
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: answered about the way that the Australian government is dealing
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: with the war in Gaza, and that's obviously been a problem.
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: And again shifting headlines away from what the government is
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: doing with Ukraine.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Now, a lot of Australians, i'm sure, are preparing to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: head over to the UK over the holidays. But you've
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: written a story today that theft is out of control
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: over there. Did seventy eight thousand people have had their
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: phones or bags stolen in the last year, which is
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: up one hundred and fifty percent. What's going on, Caleb.
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: If you're coming over to the UK, beware because thieving
• 34:15
  Speaker 12: here is on an absolute high. There's phone snatching. It's
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: this whole wave. I didn't realize until I got here
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: how massive this is. There's warnings in the street, there's
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: people being urged to not even have their phone in
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: the palm of their hand. On the tube or in
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: the train stations, people are snatching them. They're going on
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: electric bikes. These thieving criminals are stealing phones from people's hands.
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: It's wild over here. You really have to what your
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: possessions crime. This petty crime is absolutely one of their
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: highs here.
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: And there's warnings all the time.
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: You see people at Tube not using their phones now,
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: a lot of people very much on guard. And this
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: actually happened to former Treasurer Joe Hockey who is in
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: Leicester Square last week.
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: And he had his phone stolen from his coat jacket.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: There you go. It sounds like the pickpockets have made
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it over from the continent. But if there's one good
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: thing about it, if it means people are using their
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: phones less on the Tube, maybe they'll start reading newspapers again.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be great? So for Ellsworth, thank you for
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: your time. Merry Christmas. Coming up next. The Israeli Foreign
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Minister has had a heated phone call with Penny Wong.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I'll discuss that a lot more with Henry Pike and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Christen Abraham. Don't go anywhere. Israel's Foreign Minister, Gideon Sar
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: has been on the phone to Penny Wong, and according
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: to Israeli media, it turned into a sharp verbal clash Israel. Hayom,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: which is a Hebrew newspaper, reported that the Australian minister,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: who was among the most anti Israeli in her party,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: accused Israel of not doing enough humanitarian work for the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Arabs of Gaza, and Sara apparently returned serve telling her
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that there needed to be decisive action over the synagogue
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: being far bomed in Melbourne. Let's bring in liberally m
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: p Henry Pike and libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham. Welcome to
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: you both, Henry. It sounds like it was a bit
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: of a testy conversation and probably one that Pennywong deserved.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: It certainly does sound like that, Cayleb. But I don't
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: think that Pennywong should be surprised by that. She's presided
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: over a massive shift in Australia's policy approach to the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: question of Israel and Palestine over the course of the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: last fourteen months. And this is a really big departure
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: from where the Labor Party once stood. This isn't the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Labor Party of Doc Evatt, who saw the creation of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Israel through the UN General Assembly. This isn't the party
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of Bob Hawk anymore. This is a party that's trying
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: to plus se trying to appease a certain demographic within
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: their base, and she's shifting the government. She's leading this
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: policy shift, and she's shifting us way apart from where
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the bipartisan approach to Israel once was just a couple
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of years ago.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you can understand Christin why Israel may be taken
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: aback by the position that Australia has taken. It's a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: departure from our general policy, it's a departure from Labour's policy,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and it's a pretty clear departure from our Western allies.
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: Absolutely.
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: And look, I'm glad that Penny Wong got a spray
• 37:19
  Speaker 14: because she kind of deserves her to be honest, Caleb,
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: And I don't know what the solution is in the
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: Middle East, but I can tell you right now it's
• 37:26
  Speaker 14: not long as you said, Caleb. They are our ally.
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: Israel is our ally, and it's one thing to not
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: support them, but it's another thing to actively work against
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: them when you're not stamping out anti Semitism and you're
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: choosing to vote with Russia and China and the UN.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: So she deserved the spray. To be completely honest.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I'm glad someone finally gave her one. I mean, I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: know she's thought of as as a good operator within
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the Labor Party, and her and Mark Butler and Jay Weatherill,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: former South Australian Premier back in their UNI days, said
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that they would take over the Labour Party. That did
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a pretty good job of it, I have to say,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: but I don't think it's been good for the Labor
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Party now. Speaking of the Labour Party, yesterday in Victoria,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the Labor Government announced that they were banning face coverings
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in protests. Will take another look at your cinder, Allen.
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  Speaker 15: Anti Semitism is a cancer. Anti Semitism is a cancer,
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: and we must leave no stone unturned to fight the
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: evil of anti Semitism, to fight the evil of this
• 38:25
  Speaker 15: racism and hate in all of its forms, and also
• 38:29
  Speaker 15: continue to work to help heal.
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: The Australia Palestine Advocacy Network came out today and said quote,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the Victorian government's announcement of measures to curtail and criminalized
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: protest is a dangerous attack on civil liberties aimed at
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: suppressing legitimate public political action by Palestinians and their supporters
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: demanding an end to Israel's fifteen month long sorry genocide
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: in Gaza. Now, now, Henry, this does not prevent you
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: from pro testing. It's just setting some parameters around how
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the protest operates. And to be perfectly honest, I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: everyone has a right to protest. But if you're rocking
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: up with a face covering, it's not unfair to assume
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that you're up to no good.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Is it. I think it's a fair assumption. I'm just
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: disappointed that it's taken the Victorian government this long and
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: so many protests out in Melbourne streets that I think
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: have shocked the rest of the country for them to
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: actually start to take some common sense measures here. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: don't think this is an unreasonable approach. I think that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: this makes sense to Australians. I think that after what
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: we've seen on the streets of Melbourne, this is the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: very least the Victorian government should be doing to try
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: to provide a bit more security, a bit more sense
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of allowing Jewish people in the streets in Melbourne to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: be able to move really without feeling that they're going
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to be intimidated or just you know, every day Victorians
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: moving about the CBD of Melbourne, you know they shouldn't
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: have to be subjected to this sort of behave we've
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: seen over recent months.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Well, Christian, you're a libertarian. Do you see it as
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: an incursion upon free speech and free expression? Yeah, with all.
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: Due respect to Henry, I don't think it's the least
• 40:13
  Speaker 14: that the Victorian government can do. I think the least
• 40:16
  Speaker 14: that they could do was enforce the laws that we
• 40:18
  Speaker 14: already have in place about not doing any harm or
• 40:21
  Speaker 14: not being a nuisance or you know, all of the
• 40:24
  Speaker 14: other items that they're breaking laws in, rather than going okay,
• 40:29
  Speaker 14: well let's enforce more protest laws. And keep in mind
• 40:32
  Speaker 14: the Victorian government used laws to the fullest extent in
• 40:36
  Speaker 14: the pandemic when people were trying to peacefully protest. You know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 14: they cattled protesters in and arrested them and charged them
• 40:46
  Speaker 14: with incitement as well. Now I don't necessarily agree with
• 40:49
  Speaker 14: all of the behaviors the Victorian police did, but clearly
• 40:52
  Speaker 14: it showed that there is a full plethora of the
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: law that is available to them. So yes, I do
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: believe that there is an impact here on the potential
• 41:04
  Speaker 14: for peaceful assembly. And the thing about freedom is the
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: government takes it away bit by bit and it is
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: very hard to call back once it's gone. What we
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: should be doing is defending individual rights of everyone, including
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: the Jewish community, not suppressing them by bringing in more laws.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a bit like tax in that way. And
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I said the other night on the Sunday Showdown, it's
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a bit rich I think to see people like Jacinta Allen,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: who have allowed antisemitism to fest by showing a total
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: lack of leadership, now saying that they are the solution
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to the problem with laws. This hasn't been the proliferation
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of anti Semitism has not been a failure of the law.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It's been a failure of leadership that has led to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: social division instead of cohesion. Now, how's this for a
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: great bit of government waste? The Daily Telegraph reports today
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that tax payers were charged five point four million dollars
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: for a review in Sydney's toll network. Now, to this point,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: this review has delivered no actual changes. The government hasn't
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: done anything with it. So this expenditure included one hundred
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and forty five thousand dollars on flights and accommodation, fifteen
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars for a two nights day in
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: a five star hotel and the former a Triple C chairman,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Alan Phills, he headed up this report. He was paid
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a million dollars for it. I mean, for goodness sake, Kenny,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: why do we need to pay someone a million dollars
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to tell us what's wrong with the toll system. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: mean he came back, he's offside. It was given six
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: hundred k as well. They came back and said, oh,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: well you should have a toll both ways on the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor Bridge in the Eastern distributor. I mean, that's
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: a million dollars worth of advice.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I was confused as to why they needed to even
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: travel to undertake that way.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Naturally, where they go we would be analyzing the.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they had to go through a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: few toll rods to build up that sort of that
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: sort of expense. But I just found it remarkable, certainly
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that the outcomes seemed to be rather limited. I'd be
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: really questioning it if I was the minister to be going, right, okay,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: well what did we get out of that? And let's
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: make sure we never undertake a review of such a
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: grand scale for something quite minor.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, if they just spent that million dollars
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: dollars on cutting people's tolls, it might have gone a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: lot further. But so often Christin, when we talk about
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: stories like this on the Late Debate, my usual show,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I always say, God, what am I doing sitting here?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I need to get my hands on some of these
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: government contracts. Here's another one of these government contracts I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: wish I could get my hand on. I mean, people
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: obviously see whether it's businesses or alfils or whoever, you
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: see the government coming and then you just add another
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: zero onto the end of whatever the figure is.
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: Absolutely so, kayleb, I do have good news for you.
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: There's trouble with the train services in New South Wales,
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: but I have found out that there is one train
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: running perfectly, and that is the Great Trained in New
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: South Wales. They clearly are friends in high places with
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: this and the government contract. And I personally believe if
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: you are routing the taxpayers I frivolous expenses or frivolous travel,
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: then that is almost treasonous behavior to me, and everyone
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: involved should be a whole accountable.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what the problem is. I've often said
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: it's only a row if you're not in on it.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing. The government is paying this
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: many but they don't blink at it. The government doesn't
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: even blink it. They are a million dollars. You know
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: what's that to them? It's our money. I mean, they
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: should take better care of our money when they are
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: spending it. But they don't know that it's our money.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: They think it's DMA or someone else. Doesn't have to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: worry about that, Christian Abraham, Henry Pike, thank you so
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: much for your time. Coming up after the break, we're
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: going to go through the weird and wonderful of the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: English language, as always on a Wednesday with Kel Richards.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Don't go away. Well it's Wednesday, which for regular viewers
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: of Credline, of course, means it's time to get at
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the bottom of some of the strange words we use
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: every day with our good friend Kel Richards, who of
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: courses on the desk with me tonight, which is a
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: real pleasure. Adam wants to know about gung ho. Where
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: do we get the expression gung ho?
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: The reason we know it, the reason it's familiar, was
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: adopted by the Marines at the start of the Second
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: World War as their slogan. There was a black name,
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: General Evan Carlson, who came across it because he lived
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: in the East and fought in the East, and he
• 45:25
  Speaker 13: thought that's a great expression. So we use it in
• 45:28
  Speaker 13: a marine way, meaning you know, gung ho energetic on
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: top of the job. But it comes from a Chinese
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: expression kung ho, which means working together. Right, So the
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: general had heard it went working in the East and thought,
• 45:40
  Speaker 13: I like that. That's for the Marines, and it has
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: been there for us ever since.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Because the ABC last month or a couple of months
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: ago banned gung ho because they said it was racist.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Did you know that? Did that? There's Chinese whispers. Gung
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Ho was included as well.
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: Can I just say once again the ABC demonstrate themselves
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: to be really really ill informed.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Carl Aspatis Spade was included too. And John wants to
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: know about swatting as in O double T I N
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: G swat.
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: Another military one first turned up in the Royal Military
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: Academy in Sandhurst in England, and sweat swat the verb
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: to swat is actually a dialectical version of sweat. And
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: they had their mathematics lecture in the middle of the
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: Adien hundreds was a Scotsman named William Wallace, same as
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: the great character in the movie. And he used to
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: say that's quite a swat in that meaning there's quite
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: a sweat. Now he didn't say it like that. That
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: was a really, really, really bad accent, right, I apologize
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: for the accent, but that's what he was saying, sweating, swatting,
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: same thing, speaking his odd Scottish dialect.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: There you go. Now, when I had you on the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Sunday showdown, of course on Sunday just gone, I used
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the word bunter and I said, at another time, I'll
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: ask you about bunter, and I've got you. He isn't
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: going to ask you, as far as I'm aware. As
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a South Australian, it's a word that's used in South
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Australia to mean crazy. He's gone bunta, like you might
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: say he's gone tropical wild. Where does bunt come from?
• 47:07
  Speaker 13: Well, I first researched this in the nineteen nineties and
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: I've spent a great deal of today, okayleb failing to
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: find my original notes. So this is from memory, but
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: I'm fairly confident in the nineteen nineties was actually the
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: peak of the white flight from South Africa and white
• 47:24
  Speaker 13: South Africans turned up in Perth, and the expression occasionally
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: occurs and in Adelaide, where it sort of took root.
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: It comes from an Africa Afrikaans source work, which is
• 47:35
  Speaker 13: why b untas pronounced bunta, because that's an Afrikaan's pronunciation
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: and it was used as a racially offensive expression by
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: white South Africans for black South Africans. They are running crazy,
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: they're wild.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that all this time I've
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: been saying bunt, I've been raised. No, no, don't let
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the ABC here about this.
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: Can I just let you off the hook by saying
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: etymology doesn't terman meaning consequently, the way you use it
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: is innocent, right, very good? He is innocent, ladies and gentlemen.
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: He is innocent, very good.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you say that, because of course your pronouns
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: are judged dury and execution. Now, before we go as well,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Brian wants to about home and host. What is that
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: you take the horse over, hose it down? Where does
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: that come from? It actually used to do with horses.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I thought it might be.
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: It's Australian. First recorded nineteen seventeen. When a race horse
• 48:24
  Speaker 13: has finished its race, it's taken back to the stables
• 48:27
  Speaker 13: where it's combed, hence home and dry is an alternative version.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: And then it hoes down and put in its store.
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: So it's either home and dry or home and host.
• 48:36
  Speaker 13: It's finished its race, everything's done, everything's over, and we've done.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go. It's amazing how much of the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: language does actually derive from horses. Us he won by
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the length of the Flemington Strait. And don't look for
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: gift horse in the mouth. I know, well that was.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've got time to go into the
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: gift horse in that. I think that one's pretty self explained,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: isn't it. You just not.
• 48:54
  Speaker 13: Their teeth do change with age. And if you're given
• 48:57
  Speaker 13: a free horse, don't check its age.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: It's rude indeed, And we won't check out homages either.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter. Kel Richards, thank you so much
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: for joining me, and thank you as well for joining
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: me tonight. The Bolt Report will be up next with
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: James McPherson. I'll be again here tomorrow at six pm.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Good Night,