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Talk Line 10-15-2026: Editor Charlene Bielema talks Flock cameras, SAFE-T Act · WIXN AM 1460 - Shaw Local Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, Sog Valley. Welcome back to The Waking Crew
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  Speaker 1: here on FM 95.1 and AM 1460 WIXN. Just about 8.35
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  Speaker 1: on your Thursday morning. And as promised, it's time for
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  Speaker 1: Talk Line. And I'm joined again for too long, but
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  Speaker 1: one of the busiest ladies.
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  Speaker 2: I've ever known.
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  Speaker 1: Shaw Local Editor Charlene Bielema in the studio this morning. Ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: how you been?
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  Speaker 2: Good. Like you said, busy, but good. Good.
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  Speaker 3: News just carries you from the beginning of the day
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  Speaker 3: to the end. So, yeah, sometimes you stop and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: the day is over and I didn't get nearly what
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to have done.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm glad to be here today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a while.
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  Speaker 1: And constantly checking, yeah, emails and sources and stories.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I remember my wife being like, what.
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing on your laptop? Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's nine o'clock, Char. This is my husband. It's
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  Speaker 2: nine o'clock. At night. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, when people are, yeah, they're saying this
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  Speaker 1: and that, and I got to let someone know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Or just running through Facebook, following all of the pages
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  Speaker 3: and seeing kind of what's out there. Even it gives
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  Speaker 3: you an idea of what's going on in your community
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  Speaker 3: that they're talking about and what's important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you do get a lot of that more
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  Speaker 1: and more, and especially in smaller communities like ours, where
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  Speaker 1: so many people know each other. And yeah, it definitely
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  Speaker 1: is easier to see what some of the bigger issues
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  Speaker 1: are to people that aren't just the straightforward news.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So but speaking of straightforward, as far as something that's
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  Speaker 1: been hitting everywhere across the nation, and we've seen a
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  Speaker 1: lot of that on our headlines is these the flock
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  Speaker 1: safety cameras and what's been going on throughout the Sauk
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  Speaker 1: Valley there. A lot of action in Sterling on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw a lot of action in Sterling and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of it was kind of coming into this.
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  Speaker 3: We have a reporter who was at all of the
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  Speaker 3: meetings and there were people that were kind of standing up.
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  Speaker 3: Each meeting and had done their homework on those, they
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  Speaker 3: had some definite fears that they had with the use
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  Speaker 3: of those. I mean, you do have the other side
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  Speaker 3: where we've talked about where there are good things that
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  Speaker 3: come of that and investigations that are concluded and maybe
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  Speaker 3: an arrest is made. fears of a surveillance state and
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  Speaker 3: other issues that people bring up all the time. And
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  Speaker 3: in this case, we had it bubble up with Whiteside
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  Speaker 3: County where they announced, hey, we've got an investigation going on.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have flock cameras, but we're able to access
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  Speaker 3: through agreements with other departments. And they had put one
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  Speaker 3: of their employees on leave. Of course, we don't at
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  Speaker 3: this point know who that employee is. They have resigned since.
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  Speaker 3: The case has been turned over to the Illinois State Police,
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  Speaker 3: which is always a good example of probably what you
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  Speaker 3: should do when you're talking about conflict of interest. Have
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  Speaker 3: an outside agency. It just makes everything cleaner.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: If we have something that is reportable, that would come
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  Speaker 3: probably in the form if there were any charges filed.
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  Speaker 3: We tend to see different things, different departments. Maybe if
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  Speaker 3: there are charges, maybe you see something like stalking or
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  Speaker 3: maybe you see misconduct or misconduct.
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  Speaker 2: Depending on the nature of what the offense is.
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  Speaker 3: So we're still waiting to hear on what that is about,
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  Speaker 3: but it does open up discussions again about what we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing in Northern Illinois, because, you know, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: every few days, maybe, at least once a week, that
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing someone somewhere in the Midwest, an officer somewhere,
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  Speaker 3: or it could be somebody within law enforcement who has
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  Speaker 3: access to flock in their own law enforcement agency or
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  Speaker 3: through the shared partnership. About that same time, well, pretty
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  Speaker 3: much like a day before, I think we had Sterling
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  Speaker 3: Police Department, which said, we're going to get rid of
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  Speaker 3: our flock camera. And I think it made cameras. I
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  Speaker 3: think that definitely made for a lot of discussion in
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  Speaker 3: the community, people who were happy to see that. I
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  Speaker 3: think whenever that happens and you still have some hesitancy
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  Speaker 3: from the community of people who say, are you going
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  Speaker 3: to go to something different? So it just kind of
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  Speaker 3: remains to be seen what will happen next.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. And I was honestly, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't, uh, you know, surprised by the, um, the
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  Speaker 1: decision like with the cameras after that, but almost at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, a little surprised to actually see the
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  Speaker 1: police say, Hey, we, we hear you.
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  Speaker 2: We, we get this.
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  Speaker 1: We still find this as a valuable tool, but we
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  Speaker 1: also recognize like maybe, um, there, there isn't enough oversight
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  Speaker 1: or structure or a way to prevent this. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to, we're going to sidestep this. We still think
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  Speaker 1: this is useful, but we also see the problem. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to put this on the shelf. until we
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  Speaker 1: have the better solution. So I was surprised, but happily
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  Speaker 1: surprised to see that, because I could see where it might,
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  Speaker 1: that could have turned into, hey, we're really going to
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  Speaker 1: defend this. This was, you know, a one-off, doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: happen in our community. So to hear those concerns and
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge it and say, hey, this is still useful. We
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  Speaker 1: want to try to find a way to be able
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  Speaker 1: to incorporate this, but we got to find a better way.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's a a good foot forward in
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  Speaker 1: what's going to end up. Clearly, these cameras haven't gone away.
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  Speaker 1: There's no sweeping measure to do with them. It's up
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  Speaker 1: to what, each community or state? I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In the case here, I think the biggest change that
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  Speaker 3: we saw, we've done some following of it, would be
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  Speaker 3: data retention, how long they would keep the data. It
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  Speaker 3: went from 30 days to seven days. We just ran
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  Speaker 3: a story. We have some candidates running for sheriff up more,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in our northeastern region of our newspaper group.
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  Speaker 2: And they had varying ideas about what that should be.
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  Speaker 3: I think the bigger concern would be how, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it is used by someone who locks onto a certain person.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how, you know, how you know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How do you know how they've done it?
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  Speaker 3: You know, is there anything that maybe is indicative of
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  Speaker 3: past behavior? You know, What makes somebody do that? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what that component is. So, yeah, but it
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  Speaker 3: is interesting to see that, you know, there are merits
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  Speaker 3: to what it does because you want to see crime
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  Speaker 3: solved in your community.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be interested to know what the process is for
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  Speaker 1: accessing them, how they do it. You know, how is
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  Speaker 1: it regular? Are there people logged into shifts and what
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  Speaker 1: goes on, right? Can somebody just kind of walk up
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  Speaker 1: to a terminal and either when no one's looking or
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  Speaker 1: maybe when the others are there and nobody thinks to question,
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  Speaker 1: or is there somebody you need to check in with?
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  Speaker 2: And this is my query.
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  Speaker 1: Of search, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right, policy.
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  Speaker 1: So it would be kind of interesting to see how
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  Speaker 1: that goes. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great idea.
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  Speaker 3: Or one of the candidates even said if they only
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  Speaker 3: gave the ability to use it to people who were
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  Speaker 3: supervisors or higher ranking, that it would cut back. That's
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  Speaker 3: what his belief was, it would cut back on misuse.
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  Speaker 2: Okay you know maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you would still feel that that person would still
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  Speaker 1: need some kind of oversight as well right because then
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  Speaker 1: what if the supervisor.
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  Speaker 3: Is the audit process from the outside and you know
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  Speaker 3: how open do you make that there's just lots of questions.
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  Speaker 1: Big brother always needs a big brother yeah that's a
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  Speaker 1: good way to put it like who's watching you know
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  Speaker 1: who's watching who but yeah yeah a never ending thing
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  Speaker 1: but I again I yeah I have no answers um
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  Speaker 1: I don't pretend to, but interesting questions, and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be interesting to see where this goes.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I think so.
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  Speaker 1: And so going back, so is it up to each
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  Speaker 1: community whether they have it or is it like a
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  Speaker 1: community by community or a county by county thing where
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  Speaker 1: they get to decide whether they want them?
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: What we saw early on, and when I say early on,
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  Speaker 3: when I first started reporting and working for Shaw was
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  Speaker 3: August of 2023. And so there were some certain communities
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  Speaker 3: that I was covering, among them Morrison. I was going
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  Speaker 3: to Morrison City Council. And what I remember hearing was
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  Speaker 3: we had a police chief that said, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's these flock cameras and we've been given the opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to try them and it would read license plates. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so then you're looking at where, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have a few of them and you try them. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, over time, how does how did that play
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  Speaker 3: out within contracts and such?
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  Speaker 2: Each community can make that decision.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and also there's something called a transparency portal
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  Speaker 3: that you can go on and take a look in
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  Speaker 3: the community. You can take a look to see like
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  Speaker 3: how many cameras your community has and where they're at.
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  Speaker 3: There's a little map, but that's not mandatory, it appears.
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  Speaker 3: I did a search of our areas and found one
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  Speaker 3: agency that was really using that transparency portal. And the
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  Speaker 3: only reason I even had that question in my mind
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  Speaker 3: was because we have a reporter in DeKalb and they
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  Speaker 3: had signed their contract a few months ago. And that
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  Speaker 3: reporter had said, oh yeah, DeKalb was going to use
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  Speaker 3: the transparency portal.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what's that? Send me that link. And
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  Speaker 2: then did searches through that particular portal and that website.
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  Speaker 1: Very, very, I say cool in the fact that, interesting,
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  Speaker 1: you get that as far as what we work in.
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  Speaker 1: Very cool is just the depth of this goes and
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  Speaker 1: where this issue is going to go.
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  Speaker 2: It's a heck of a time to be alive. It is.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's different. Yeah. Everything's.
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  Speaker 1: We are getting our page in history, I think, several
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  Speaker 1: pages anymore. We'll move on from flock cameras. Sharnar can't
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  Speaker 1: solve that problem today.
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  Speaker 2: We're busy.
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  Speaker 1: Another headline making its way into a lot of story,
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  Speaker 1: the safety act, a lot of buzz around that.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously, so yeah, our.
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  Speaker 3: Public safety team that we have with our newspapers throughout
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  Speaker 3: Northern Illinois, there are five of us that are on
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  Speaker 3: that team. I love it because I get to manage
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  Speaker 3: the group and by manage, I say, cause they're all
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  Speaker 3: stellar in the reporting.
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  Speaker 2: It's, It's being able to say, hey, we've got these ideas.
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  Speaker 2: These are current.
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  Speaker 3: These are relevant based on what we're seeing. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: something local that we've taken notice of. Or maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: just a question we've always had of something we'd like
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  Speaker 3: to know. Maybe we're seeing something trending. I have one
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  Speaker 3: of the reporters is excellent with data. He's a data manager.
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  Speaker 3: And he'll take a look and say, in a trend
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  Speaker 3: that I've seen over the last 20 years, this is
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  Speaker 3: what I'm noticing. What do you see? And it gives
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  Speaker 3: us that ability to have a springboard and take a
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  Speaker 3: look at what's going on. And, you know, part of
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  Speaker 3: that discussion comes back to the Safety Act, which just
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  Speaker 3: had an anniversary in September for being in effect. And
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  Speaker 3: we just kind of wanted to take a look at
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  Speaker 3: how that was working out. all across Northern Illinois. It
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  Speaker 3: led us to send emails out to all of our
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  Speaker 3: state's attorneys to say, how do you feel about it?
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, from what I see.
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  Speaker 3: Covering the courts, predominantly Republican, you know, party people who are,
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  Speaker 3: they do not like the Safety Act at all. And
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  Speaker 3: there's a multiple amount of reasons for that. It might
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  Speaker 3: be because of the different types of deadlines that they
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  Speaker 3: have to meet, because there's always that when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to court cases.
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  Speaker 2: So you might be looking at a.
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  Speaker 3: And then also, I come from reporting, I reported before
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  Speaker 3: in Iowa, which was it was a bond state where
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  Speaker 3: people would be charged with something. The judge could say,
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  Speaker 3: I'm setting bond at this based on this crime, based
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  Speaker 3: on your criminal history, based on your flight risk. And
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  Speaker 3: it was up to that particular person to make bond
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  Speaker 3: or stay there. And of course, I think the question
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  Speaker 3: always becomes, when you set that amount, there are some
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  Speaker 3: people who can afford 10% of $ 50, 000.
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  Speaker 2: Easier than some people can.
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  Speaker 3: OK, so when you come over to the Illinois side
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  Speaker 3: of the river, it became a push by the Democratic
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  Speaker 3: Black Caucus. And we're talking predominantly in the Chicago area
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  Speaker 3: that they said it's unfair because there are people who
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  Speaker 3: can be put in there and they could never afford
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  Speaker 3: to associate economically.
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  Speaker 2: They're at a disadvantage. And so we need to figure
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  Speaker 2: it out.
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  Speaker 3: So then it came to the point where what happens
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  Speaker 3: is if somebody is charged with a crime and there's
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  Speaker 3: a list of detainable offenses that apply to this. that
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  Speaker 3: they would say, the state says, I want that person held.
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  Speaker 3: And it's based on, is that a detainable offense? What
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  Speaker 3: is their flight? Are they a flight risk? And what
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  Speaker 3: is their threat to the community? And then they have
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  Speaker 3: to petition for that. So you have a hearing. So
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  Speaker 3: when a person's arrested, there's a hearing that the state
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  Speaker 3: requests petition to deny. They have to make their case,
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  Speaker 3: usually with sworn testimony of themselves or an officer. Then
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  Speaker 3: they have the person who, the defense attorney, who's also
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  Speaker 3: able to argue this out, The judge then makes a
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  Speaker 3: ruling at that time. And it can go either way.
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  Speaker 3: The judge gets to make the decision, but it's not
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  Speaker 3: where they set a bond. It's not where they say,
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  Speaker 3: if you pay this amount, you're going to get out.
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  Speaker 3: It's you are in here until you again ask to
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  Speaker 3: be let out, whether it's your next pretrial conference. And
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  Speaker 3: then if nothing has changed, most likely you're staying in.
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  Speaker 3: If something has changed... then they can consider letting you out.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's its whole argument unto itself. When we
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  Speaker 3: talked to the different state's attorneys, generally the consensus was
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  Speaker 3: that they wanted to add to the list of detainable
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  Speaker 3: offenses and say, for example, fleeing. I think that was
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  Speaker 3: aggravated fleeing was something because if you're taking that step
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  Speaker 3: and you're outrunning a police officer, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Elevated risk.
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  Speaker 3: Or even some child sex crimes that they wanted to
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  Speaker 3: have apply that may not now.
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  Speaker 2: But then we had.
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  Speaker 3: Charlie Boonstra, who's our Lee County State's attorney, who was
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  Speaker 3: just like, throw the whole thing out and let the
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  Speaker 3: judge make the decision. Because right now what's happening is
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  Speaker 3: you have prosecutors who have to decide that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to ask for it. If they don't ask for it,
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  Speaker 3: then you don't have the detention discussion to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: And if you do ask for it, it's a very
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  Speaker 3: strict set of rules that the judge has to follow.
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  Speaker 3: So what is the judge's... latitude to be able to
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  Speaker 3: make that decision. So why can't we just give it back?
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  Speaker 3: When we talked to Tony McCombie, who's the House leader,
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  Speaker 3: she's a Republican House of Representatives member from Savannah. As
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  Speaker 3: a Republican, she leads the Republican or has been part
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  Speaker 3: of the Republican caucus, and she would really like to
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  Speaker 3: make it so that the judge has more discretion. She said,
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  Speaker 3: we have 40 fixes that we'd like to propose to Republicans,
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  Speaker 3: everything from tweaking it to repealing it. You know, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: the idea of repealing is probably not going to happen,
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  Speaker 3: but major to minor fixes, and that that would probably
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  Speaker 3: come up in the November veto session. So we're standing back,
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  Speaker 3: keeping an eye on it. In real time, it does
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  Speaker 3: play out interestingly in how it's applied within court.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. This afternoon, I have to
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  Speaker 2: go to a court case.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually something a couple months ago, Sterling Police had
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  Speaker 3: put out a press release, news release. They were looking
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  Speaker 3: for someone for a felony gun charge. and it was
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  Speaker 3: in connection with an incident in Sterling, and they thought
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  Speaker 3: that the person was in the Quad Cities.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, okay. I mean, we see those all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Sometimes we publish those.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard because it's like a missing person.
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  Speaker 2: You can publish it.
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  Speaker 3: They've got the person right after you get the story up.
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  Speaker 3: And now the story is being shared all over the place.
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  Speaker 3: And the person's been found. And you're just like trying
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  Speaker 3: to now tell people, hey, you know, it's all good. So,
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  Speaker 3: in this case, you almost adopt a what, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's wait and see kind of attitude. In this case,
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  Speaker 3: this man was arrested. He did have a first appearance
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  Speaker 3: that happened. And he was let out immediately. Now, he
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  Speaker 3: was not only charged with domestic battery, but multiple weapons offenses.
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  Speaker 2: So it went beyond the arrest warrant.
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  Speaker 3: And when you look at his criminal history and you
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  Speaker 3: look at what he's accused of, it would make sense,
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  Speaker 3: you know, from the outside looking in.
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  Speaker 2: That he probably would have been held.
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  Speaker 3: But the judge said, no, you know, we can let
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  Speaker 3: him out because he was arrested, according to the judge.
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  Speaker 3: The judge decided to let him out because he was
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  Speaker 3: in inpatient treatment at the time. There was a court
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  Speaker 3: hearing yesterday. It was a preliminary hearing, part of the process.
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  Speaker 3: And Even though he was out, they decided to keep
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: him because there were some extenuating circumstances that showed up
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: yesterday as part of did you violate pretrial release sanctions.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: There's a continuing hearing today that I'll go to at
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: 1 o'clock. So, while I would have liked to have
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: the story for this morning, it's just changing too fast.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: But by this afternoon, I'll know. And that becomes a
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Safety Act question and discretion of a judge and the
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: ability to decide, yeah, you know, I'm going to let him.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Out because of this. Yeah.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: And we also see that there's another big meth case
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: that we've been following in which a judge was able
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: to use, shouldn't say able to use, did use the
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: ability to detain this particular defendant, decided to detain him.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: And then there was an appellate court ruling in another case.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I know I'm kind of getting in the weeds here,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: but it was used to actually get him out of jail.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: And so, you know, anytime that there's a change in
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: like a court ruling at the appellate level that can
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: also be brought, here's a change. And so now he
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: is out and coming in for his hearings, too. So
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to keep an eye all the
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: time for Safety Act changes and what legislation could do.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: And it's a work in progress. No, certainly.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that work is going to end
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: anytime soon. Maybe we'll get something major in November.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe so.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Um, but yeah, I, I, uh, I don't think
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: the work is, is far from over for the safety
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: act or for the issue to, uh.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: To go away anytime soon.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: And when you have, and we've had that from time
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: to time, where you have a high-profile, very violent case
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: where somebody is out, and then the question becomes, should
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: they have been out? I think it does cause reflection
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: at that time about what changes are needed. So, of course,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: any kind of incident that would happen from now until then,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm not talking necessarily a local incident, I'm talking
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: about something that would grab the attention of law enforcement media,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: where they say, this is egregious, we need to do
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: something about that. If something like that surfaces, of course,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I could change the discussion at any time about what
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: that would look like.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: You will be on top of that discussion and bringing
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: us all the updates. We're unfortunately out of time today.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I know, it flies by, doesn't it? It feels like
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we've been here for two minutes. We're going to know
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: before we go. Oh, awesome, because we need to. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: want to know your top Halloween movies.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm old school Halloween because, obviously, a child
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of the, you know, graduated from high.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: School in the early 80s. Because I have my favorites,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: and they would be Halloween I, Halloween II.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't want to go beyond that.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Carrie, the original, but I do want to watch the
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: one that's out now because it looks like they've said
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: it in modern times. I want to see how they
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: handle the mother. I think she's working now and wreaking havoc.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Those are my favorite. Oh, Nightmare on Elm Street. Classic.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Early on.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: 1984.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Christine.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a good movie.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I do not love Christine. I think I actually saw
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: that at the drive-in. Yeah, that was a good movie.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I had a line come to mind, and then I
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: remembered I couldn't say it on the radio, so I won't.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of have to hold back a little bit.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I have some friends who say, hey, the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: whole thing about Christine that I don't like, and.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Now you think, like, how would these shows play out today?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: How would people in Halloween 1 and 2 act if
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: they had cell phones and they were able to, like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: send blanket warnings that there's a crazy person on the
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: loose and, you.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Know, shelter in place at the hospital? It would change
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the whole theme. But in Christine, he said, how come.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: The people who are trying to get away from Christine
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: just don't go up some steps. Because if they go
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: up the steps, the car can't get up there. And
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: it's like, of course, why aren't we thinking about that?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: You never go down the dark hallway alone, but in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the movie, they always do. It, Tim Curry, and even
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the current ones. I've liked the current ones too, big
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Tim Curry fan. Army of Darkness, it's campy, it's funny.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, never watched that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It's part of the Evil Dead series, so Bruce Campbell,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: absolutely love that. Coraline, because I'm a big kid. So
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I love that one. Maximum Overdrive.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Ooh, the one with the crazy truck.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the vehicles and the electronics come to life. Oh yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: if it's ridiculous. Yeah, I absolutely love it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Emilio Estevez, right? Yeah. Emilio! Tremors.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Trem oh my goodness is good i love the first
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: two the third one after they started going on with
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that kind of.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Third one i don't know you tend to lose me
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: after the first and.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Second yeah oh man i think they even might have
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: tried a series or something tried.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Revitalizing oh okay okay yeah that i don't know plus
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: you had reba mcintyre yeah the guy from what is
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it family ties so it's a great it's a great cast.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Uh My Christmas list is much longer, though. Oh, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter makes Halloween. Oh, okay.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: That's my son would like Halloween. Speaking of that, when
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: you say Evil Dead, I will still laugh about that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I've never seen Evil Dead. I probably should see it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I know you're looking at me. I've never seen Star Wars. So, okay,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: we'll go there too sometime. But my son, he was
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: in high school. He was the Rotary Student of the Month.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: You know, they bring him to the Rotary Club. And
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: he was going to have his picture taken. And he
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: was going to be in the paper.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And it was great. And I picked up the paper
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and looked at it. And there was my son wearing
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: his Evil Dead t-shirt. And I was like... Why did
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you not dress up for Rotary Club? And then my
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: friend said that too. That's awesome. Like, I don't know
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: from a mother's standpoint. That doesn't feel awesome. I love it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we will cover more next time, unfortunately. Charlie, thank
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you so much for coming in. And hopefully it won't
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: be so long before we get you back in. But
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you'll be out there letting us know what's going on
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in the South Valley. Okay.