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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Football vs Iowa State Game Recap (Episode 744) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: That's our cue to start talking. Hey, everybody, it's time
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  Speaker 1: for three guys before the game. This is the West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia-Iowa State game, a recap episode number 744. The boys
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  Speaker 1: for all Mountaineers, including you. All right, let's jump in.
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia has now dropped two in a row after
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  Speaker 1: winning three straight, and the Mountaineers find themselves 0-2 in
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  Speaker 1: Big 12 conference play. You can use whatever adjective you
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  Speaker 1: would like to describe it, but certainly disappointing would be
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  Speaker 1: one of those words. West Virginia falls 45-42 in what
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  Speaker 1: became a shootout in Ames, and one of those deals
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  Speaker 1: that almost was Last team to have the ball was
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  Speaker 1: going to have the best chance of winning, but West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia on its last possession lost the ball, and Iowa
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  Speaker 1: State ran out the clock, and there you go. So
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  Speaker 1: we're ready to go into it. Hoppe has his obvious
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  Speaker 1: observations in a second. Brad will have the breakdown in
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  Speaker 1: spreads on stats, and it goes without saying, just an
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  Speaker 1: incredible amount of emotion there. being put forth by everyone
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  Speaker 1: involved from the players, the fans, the staff. Everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: what it is, what it was on Saturday in Ames, Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just one of those gut punch losses
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  Speaker 1: where you had incredible amounts of frustration. You'd have to
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  Speaker 1: go all the way back 13 years to the last
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  Speaker 1: time West Virginia scored 42 points in a game and
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  Speaker 1: didn't win. That was at Baylor 13 years ago. And
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  Speaker 1: so you are dealing with that aspect of it. And obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Rich Rodriguez, you know, doesn't sugarcoat. He makes it perfectly clear. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you've got some significant issues on that defensive side where
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  Speaker 1: for two games in a row, it has just been
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  Speaker 1: unable to accomplish its goal of getting the opposing team
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  Speaker 1: off of the field. So we'll get into all of
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  Speaker 1: that and more. What are your pre-obvious observations?
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  Speaker 2: I got a lot of obvious observations. And also, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to get into the Senator's zone, but I
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  Speaker 2: got some stats, too. I don't think it's the same
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  Speaker 2: as his. But the first overall thought is when you
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  Speaker 2: talked about this season, you thought, you know, you got
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  Speaker 2: this Virginia game. And if you can get this Virginia game,
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  Speaker 2: because here's a team that won 11 games, they were
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  Speaker 2: in the conference championship, and they're going to do this.
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  Speaker 2: If you get this Virginia game, Brad, and the way
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  Speaker 2: the schedule lines up, And Oklahoma State's got a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of new guys, new coaches. Iowa State, new guys, new coaches.
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  Speaker 2: You get that Virginia game, boy, you're looking good. And
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  Speaker 2: just the opposite has happened of what now the expectation's
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  Speaker 2: off and on. But just the opposite of the expectation
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  Speaker 2: is what's happened here.
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  Speaker 3: I think I would go, my obvious observation here is
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  Speaker 3: this one moved for me, guys, from a game concern.
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  Speaker 3: You know how big I am under the week-a-week and
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  Speaker 3: the match-ups and all that. And I'll get into that
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  Speaker 3: because this still should have been a good match-up for
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  Speaker 3: this defense and it just wasn't. I've moved now past
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  Speaker 3: This wasn't a game situation problem. You've got a problem.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a major problem. The numbers are just staggering,
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  Speaker 3: defensively in particular. And a big overarching concern for me
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  Speaker 3: comes out of this is if you go big picture
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  Speaker 3: for a second and Rich Rodriguez is your coach, you've
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  Speaker 3: got to run the ball to be successful. And if
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  Speaker 3: you run the ball at a really high clip, Rich's
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  Speaker 3: teams have won a lot of games. And just start there.
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  Speaker 3: And everything else kind of comes along with that. You've
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  Speaker 3: run for 600 yards over the last two weeks in
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  Speaker 3: your own two. So a big overarching concern for me
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  Speaker 3: is You're doing what his programs normally do when you win,
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  Speaker 3: and you've lost two. And so now this has kind
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  Speaker 3: of moved into new territory for me that last week
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  Speaker 3: against Oklahoma State, I think you could look at that
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  Speaker 3: and say, all right, that pass defense in particular had
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  Speaker 3: some problems. You didn't stop the run very well.
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  Speaker 1: It's one game.
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State played pretty well. Get back on your feet.
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  Speaker 3: Go into Ames. Find a way against a struggling offense
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  Speaker 3: in the Cyclones.
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  Speaker 1: Get a win.
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  Speaker 3: Walk out your 4-1. You feel pretty good. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: that did not happen. You ran it successfully. You wasted
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  Speaker 3: two elite offensive performances from Hawkins and Cook And now
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  Speaker 3: you come back maybe with more questions than you even
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  Speaker 3: had heading into the week. And that's hard to do,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed. Yeah. There's obviously a significant disconnect defensively as to
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  Speaker 1: what is being coached and taught and then being executed.
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  Speaker 1: So what exactly within that dynamic is happening? And I think, obviously...
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's initial thought and reaction is to get really emotional
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  Speaker 1: about it. Personally, I don't think emotion at this point
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  Speaker 1: is going to be your best solution for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of different reasons. One, you have games to play. So
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  Speaker 1: getting emotional and getting crazy and doing all those kinds
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  Speaker 1: of things, they're still going to play another game in
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  Speaker 1: seven days. So the biggest thing you have to do,
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  Speaker 1: take a super deep breath, settle and go, okay, exactly
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  Speaker 1: what is going on. And you have to go from
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  Speaker 1: A to Z in what the plan of attack was
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  Speaker 1: and evaluate that. And then you evaluate how were they
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  Speaker 1: instructed to carry out that plan. And then once they
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  Speaker 1: got onto the field, where were you supposed to be?
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  Speaker 1: Were you there? Who's it on? So just internally, you
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  Speaker 1: have to do the autopsy before you can make any
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  Speaker 1: kind of improvement. And I don't know how significant the
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  Speaker 1: improvement could be going forward. I don't know. But that's
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  Speaker 1: the first thing. The worst thing you could do is
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  Speaker 1: go crazy. Now you have to really settle back and
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  Speaker 1: go like, exactly what's going on here. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know that you can argue anything in there.
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  Speaker 3: I think I would just say my concern is, didn't
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  Speaker 3: you just do that? Didn't you just do that coming
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  Speaker 3: out of the Oklahoma State game? Wouldn't it have been
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  Speaker 3: that exact? Same process of, all right, we didn't like
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  Speaker 3: the plan, but we were also in the wrong spot.
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  Speaker 3: We also didn't make enough plays. You went through all
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  Speaker 3: of that, and your answers coming out of that were
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  Speaker 3: to take a team in Iowa State that had not
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  Speaker 3: looked good offensively and a quarterback that had really struggled.
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  Speaker 3: And quite frankly, guys, you might have looked worse than
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  Speaker 3: you did from Oklahoma State. So, Tony, I get what
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  Speaker 3: you're saying, but I'm concerned at what the answer was
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  Speaker 3: and what you do next moving forward Because it's.
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  Speaker 1: All of that.
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  Speaker 3: It looked like all of that. It looked like the
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  Speaker 3: scheme was jacked up. It looked like guys didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what spot to be in. And then there certainly weren't
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  Speaker 3: enough players making plays, making individual plays. You've got to
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  Speaker 3: go out and still make plays. All of that was
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  Speaker 3: a problem. And oh, by the way, here comes Noah Fafita,
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  Speaker 3: who's throwing for 300 yards a game. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is one. You're pulling every fire alarm in the building now, Hoppy,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion. This isn't a sit back and let's
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  Speaker 3: evaluate and maybe we'll come up with some great answers.
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  Speaker 3: You should have done that last week and you got
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  Speaker 3: worse week to week.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd like to get into obvious observations, if I may.
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  Speaker 2: And you guys can feed off that.
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  Speaker 1: You will go into obvious observations when the music starts. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, that's when we'll go into obvious observations.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what I would suggest to you. Sometimes as a coach,
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  Speaker 3: when a player calls for the ball, you just give
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  Speaker 3: him the ball and get out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the way.
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  Speaker 3: He's calling for the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing changes.
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  Speaker 3: He's clearing out. They're getting a clear-out situation. He wants
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  Speaker 3: the ball. Give him the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Hoppy always has to get his little way. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sit in his chair anymore on talk line. He gets
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  Speaker 1: to sit over there, but he gets to make every
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  Speaker 1: single pass. Just stop talking. He's going to hit the music.
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  Speaker 1: Just stop talking.
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  Speaker 3: You're getting the ball. We're working the ball around the perimeter.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming over to you. Just hold on. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to set a screen. I'm going to run you off
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  Speaker 1: the screen and get you open. Hold on one second.
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  Speaker 1: Here it comes. All right, so Moses has come down
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  Speaker 1: from the mountain with his stone tablets. We can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to see what wisdom he will provide. It had to
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  Speaker 1: come now.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't come later.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't come three minutes from now. It had to come now.
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  Speaker 1: So go ahead, Moses. What do you got?
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  Speaker 3: I'll get your back for a second.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: We were getting into your territory. We were making a
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  Speaker 3: lot of observations that I have a feeling you have
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  Speaker 3: in yours, and you want to make sure you got
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  Speaker 3: on record.
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  Speaker 2: That's what always worries me, because my stuff is obvious,
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  Speaker 2: and we start out with that, so it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just like you're right. Go ahead. Thank you. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I always like how you say five times a show. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Brad's going to get into that later with his stats.
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  Speaker 1: He always throws that in there. You see how many
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  Speaker 1: times he says that? I'm aware.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, Obvious.
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  Speaker 2: Brad, you like to say, You're allowed to get better.
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  Speaker 2: Here's another truism. This is from Humphrey Bogart. His character,
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Allnut, in the movie African Queen. Things are never
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  Speaker 2: so bad, they can't be made worse. Things can get worse.
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  Speaker 2: And they did. They did get worse with the Mountaineer defense.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, all we have to do, Tony, is use
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  Speaker 2: Rich Rodriguez's own word, atrocious. Atrocious. I mean, you were
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  Speaker 2: talking about looking for new adjectives to describe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was just atrocious. There was nothing, nothing good about it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, uh, 29 first downs for them, 577 yards.
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  Speaker 2: And Rich Rodriguez said this, and this again, props to
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  Speaker 2: him for being candid about it. And Tony, I know
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  Speaker 2: you had that experience. I think anybody listening, uh, And
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  Speaker 2: I listened to your whole game, and people watching had
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  Speaker 2: the same reaction. It was hard to watch. That's hard
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  Speaker 2: to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Defense couldn't get off the field. Cyclones 5 of 11,
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  Speaker 2: a third down. West Virginia had two turnovers. First one
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  Speaker 2: didn't hurt. In fact, it was interesting because that first turnover, Brad,
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  Speaker 2: you think, okay, Iowa State's going in to score, and
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  Speaker 2: now the thing's out of control. And then West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: gets the turnover, and they come down and score, and
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  Speaker 2: you think, okay, you're turning things around here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Epps turnover... Guy's trying to make.
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  Speaker 1: A play, right? I mean, it hurt, but.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, those are hard ones, aren't they? And then Rich
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  Speaker 3: said that. Yes, he was trying to make a play,
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  Speaker 3: but also, much like we said with Michael Hawkins, when
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  Speaker 3: he was trying to make a play on a turnover,
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  Speaker 3: probably at that point, score time, where you're on the field,
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  Speaker 3: probably get down, but that's a hindsight criticism.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. Ten penalties? Yeah, well, we'll get into penalties.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of flags thrown. Yeah, there's... A lot
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  Speaker 2: of flags.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of flags.
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  Speaker 2: Tony, was that a good call Because I'm listening to you,
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  Speaker 2: it was traveling. On the end zone interference late?
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  Speaker 1: I thought at the end of the first half. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That led to their touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, he's talking end of the game, but you
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  Speaker 3: can talk about end of the first half, because I
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  Speaker 3: thought that was more egregious.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the game.
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  Speaker 3: The first half one, he threw to the band. Two
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  Speaker 3: of the guys caught it in.
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  Speaker 1: The first round. Right.
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  Speaker 3: That was an uncatchable ball.
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  Speaker 1: That crew leads the league in most penalties. I heard
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  Speaker 1: you say that. So you need to be on guard. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Need to be aware. If you need to be aware,
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  Speaker 1: if that guy, if that crew is out there, you
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  Speaker 1: know that they're going to be a high level of sensitivity.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought the defensive, at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: first half, I thought you could have easily let that
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  Speaker 1: one go.
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  Speaker 3: Should have let it go. It was uncatchable. Was it
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  Speaker 3: not uncatchable?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what they, I mean, the uncatchable
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  Speaker 1: to them is it needs to be 70 yards in
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  Speaker 1: the air.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty close. Got stuck in the tuba down there in
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  Speaker 3: the first row, but neither here nor there.
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  Speaker 2: The defense, you know, obviously atrocious, but also not, and also,
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  Speaker 2: you're on the field 38 minutes. I mean, you're just like,
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  Speaker 2: a bad defense is out there the whole game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, true. So you got that.
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  Speaker 2: Aiden Flora heading to New York this week to pick
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  Speaker 2: up his Heisman.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And going into this game, Brad, you had to be
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  Speaker 2: worried about Flora's passing attack.
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  Speaker 1: Jeez. Two touchdowns passing. Good God. Gadgeted you. Did everything.
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  Speaker 3: Did regular plays, did gadget plays on you, did everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to do some research on this. I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: come up with it. When was the last time a
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  Speaker 2: running back of an opposing team had multiple carries and
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  Speaker 2: averaged 10 yards a carry?
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  Speaker 1: Ever? Ever?
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big day for Flora.
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  Speaker 2: We touched on this. You score 42 points, you should
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  Speaker 2: win the game. 90% to 95% of the time, you
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  Speaker 2: win the game. I did a little more research this morning.
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  Speaker 2: No FBS team yesterday scored as many points as West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia and lost the game.
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  Speaker 1: None.
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  Speaker 2: There were a couple, like Thursday night, North Texas won,
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  Speaker 2: beat Tulsa, and Tulsa had 40-couple.
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  Speaker 1: That was overtime.
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  Speaker 2: So the games where teams did have more than 42
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  Speaker 2: was an overtime game. So you score 42, you win
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  Speaker 2: almost every time. Okay, here's some stat spread. Through five games,
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia is giving up 92 more yards per game
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  Speaker 2: than it did the same period last year. 92 more
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  Speaker 2: yards per game. Over the last two games, the Mountaineers
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  Speaker 2: have surrendered 1,200 yards and 86 points. West Virginia is
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  Speaker 2: giving up more points through the first five games, 144,
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  Speaker 2: compared with 133 last year. The pass defense has gotten
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  Speaker 2: significantly worse. So far this season, the Mountaineers have given
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  Speaker 2: up 1,441 yards passing compared with 1,056 through five games
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  Speaker 2: last year. Tony, that's a 36% increase in the passing
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  Speaker 2: yards you're giving up this year over last year. Jalen Rayner,
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  Speaker 2: and Brad, I don't know if you'll talk about this,
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  Speaker 2: he was completing 53% of his passes. He completed 70%.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you made him look like a dude.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he managed the game, right? He managed the game,
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  Speaker 1: didn't make a fatal error. You're exactly right. You're exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: You're giving up an average of 291 yards passing per game.
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  Speaker 2: That is near the bottom of 138 teams. That's in, like,
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  Speaker 2: the bottom five, 138 teams. You're back home this week,
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  Speaker 2: and you're facing, guess what? A really good quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, Zach Alley sat here when
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  Speaker 2: he was on the program, and I asked him specifically,
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  Speaker 2: is it plans, is it players? And he says, 100% players. So,
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  Speaker 2: now you've got to have both. So, look, I'll leave
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  Speaker 2: it to them to figure it out. But bottom line is, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you're allowed to get better, but also things can get worse,
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  Speaker 2: and they have gotten worse. Worse from last year to
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  Speaker 2: this year, worse from last week to this week.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I got. Well, as I said, you've got
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  Speaker 1: to play again, right? So what are the correction points there?
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  Speaker 1: In hindsight, right, I'm going to be interested to hear
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  Speaker 1: once they do their film study as to how much
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  Speaker 1: of that was misalignment only for the fact of Iowa
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  Speaker 1: State Their pre-snap motion and movement is in the top
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  Speaker 1: one percentile of anyone that you'll see, right? They're just
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  Speaker 1: constantly bursting, right? I just wonder, is this team just,
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  Speaker 1: were they incapable of seeing that movement and adjusting to
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  Speaker 1: that pre-snap movement? Now, all week long in practice, they
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  Speaker 1: see it. They're getting ready for it. You're prepared for it,
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  Speaker 1: and they just failed that aspect.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet so had the other teams Iowa State played.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't do anything different there, and those
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  Speaker 3: teams handled it, right? I mean, that's the thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there was significant, whether you want to call them busts
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  Speaker 3: or just didn't know what you were doing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Iowa State was just sending guys out 8, 9, 10
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  Speaker 3: yards downfield, standing there wide open. Just standing there wide open, guys.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing you've said each game. Coastal Carolina,
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  Speaker 3: Significant problems there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, the biggest thing is just why? Why
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  Speaker 3: Even mixed in two new defenders. Talked a lot about
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  Speaker 3: both of them. And still, major issues.
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• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you either when West Virginia got heated up. I mean,
• 17:47
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• 17:49
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• 18:16
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  Speaker 3: Let's go back and look at what we talked about Thursday,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: see what came to fruition and what did not. Number one,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: we said West Virginia has to get back, Hoppy, to
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: doing what it does offensively. That's not only run the football,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: but it's also hit some explosive passes to free up
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: that run game even more, keep the defense unbalanced.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: My goodness, did they.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Six pass plays, went for 20 or more yards, 201
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: yards passing just on those two touchdowns from Michael Hawkins.
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  Speaker 3: And then West Virginia ran it as well, ran for
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: nearly 300 yards on the game. West Virginia had an
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: explosive play rate coming out of that game in the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: 99th percentile. So the offense did what the offense does.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: We'll get more into that here in just a second because...
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: It's one of those games, guys, unfortunately you wasted just
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: what I thought were two elite performances by Hawkins and Cook.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It's too bad we won't be spending more time talking
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: about those, but we will here in just a second.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And here's where I think the game was, guys. We
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: talked about two struggling units coming into this game. Iowa
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: State's pass offense versus West Virginia's pass defense. Which struggling
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: on struggling would win the battle? And it was clearly decisive.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: The number we used coming into the game, only four
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: power four teams had been worse when it comes to
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: passing success rate allowed than West Virginia's defense. But Iowa
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: State's passing offense came in in the bottom five of
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: power four teams in passing success rate. Let me give
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: a definition of what we mean by passing success rate.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: If a first down play gains at least 40% to
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: 50% of the required yards, then on second down, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: gain 60% to 70% of the remaining yards. And then
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: you get 100% of the yards on third or fourth
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: down to get a first down and move forward. That's
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: what constitutes successful plays, running or passing. Iowa State had
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: a passing success rate near 60%. Nearly 60%. That's a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: bottom five team coming into the game in that category,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: and they had a 60% rate on the game. Jalen Rayner,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the aforementioned, did whatever he wanted. He came in completing
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: 52% of his passes, went for 70% in this game.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: That just can't happen, guys. Here's more alarming numbers with that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: That's his sixth best completion percentage in his entire career
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: and the best against a Power Four team for him.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: He had played in 42 games. This wasn't a guy
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: that had just started this year. Played in 42 career games.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: That was his sixth best of all time for him.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: He had 264 yards passing, career high versus a Power
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Four team. 11 yards per attempt.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Those are mess-to-maker numbers from the week before, all due
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: respect to Jalen Rayner. He had just not shown that,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: nor had this Iowa State offense shown shown an ability
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: to do that coming in. There was some early down
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: success for Iowa State. 34 successful plays on 64 of
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: its early downs. That's 53%. More than half its early
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: down plays were a success. So they weren't relying on
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: big third down conversions. Didn't have to. They were winning
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: first and second, staying ahead of schedule. They gained, guys,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: this is staggering, 261 yards of total offense on first
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: down alone. Seven yards per play. The middle eight of
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: that game I thought was particularly crushing. Coaches talk about
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: the middle eight a lot. Give up 14 points. That
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: touchdown to end the half, again, questionable, I thought, pass
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: interference call, but neither here nor there. They scored there.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Then they start the second half to score on you again.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: 11 yards per play in those two drives when you
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: just needed to get yourself off the field there. Let's
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: talk about penalties for a second. And listen, before you text,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I know. This is not to blame the officials, but
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I thought penalties were in fact something we have to
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: discuss in the postgame analysis here because there was not
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: only a lot of them, they came, man, they came
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: at some bad, bad times. They were super hurtful to
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: West Virginia in particular. 10 total for 86 yards, fine.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: But some huge moments. So let's go to the expected
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: points added number that I often use. So I'm not
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: just saying, hey, they came at some bad times. We
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: can note when those were. an offensive penalty that puts
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: you behind the sticks, defensive penalty when you're about to
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: get the ball back in the first half. But you
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: go to EPA. Penalty EPA measures how much penalties change
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: the team's chance of scoring on those particular plays. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it accounts for when and where the penalty happened, not
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: just straight 10 for 86. West Virginia was minus nearly
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: seven points of EPA, expected points added on the day
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: because of penalties. Iowa State was plus three points. due
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: to penalties. It was a 10-point swing in the game
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: based on the penalty expected points added. So if you
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: wanted a number to back up what your eyes told
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you that, man, you got hit with some that were
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: just in terrible spots for you, that's certainly the case
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: right there. So penalties were a factor in this game.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: We talked about Aiden Flora on Thursday coming in, said
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: top 25 nationally in rushing yards per game. He was
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: averaging eight yards per carry.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: He went off.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: You're probably looking at your big 12 player of the week.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know how it could be anybody else. 212
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: yards on the ground, three touchdowns. I did not note
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: on Thursday his passing ability, that he would be the
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: best quarterback in the league as well.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: He was. He threw for two. He was the option
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: quarterback in high school. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that until I talked to one of their folks at halftime.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Option quarterback. He was a walk-on.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Walk-on.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Got a scholarship.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: From Adele, Iowa.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, recently. Geez.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Averaged six yards per carry before contact.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: He was running wild. Let that sit there for a minute.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Six yards per carry before contact. It was a wow,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: head-scratching performance. West Virginia had better EPA per play, yards
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: per play, explosive rate, more explosive plays, rush EPA per play,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and lost the football game. That's hard to do, guys.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: That's really hard to do. All right, let's end on
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: what were a couple bright spots and what was a
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: really difficult day to swallow. Michael Hawkins, guys, just continues
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: to be, that's a dude. 18 carries, 159 yards rushing,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: two touchdowns. And here's what really got me, guys, on
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: one of the, when you talk about just really good
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: individual performances, Hawkins got 58% of his rushing yards on scrambles.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: So not only are those just good raw numbers, that
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: dude was doing a lot by himself for a lot
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: of that game to keep West Virginia in this game.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: That was an effort where he just said, give me
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the ball. I've got this. Guys, nearly 60% of his
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: yards on scrambles. 86% of his yards. Skippy, you listen
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: to this. 86% of his yards after contact. He's scrambling,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: he's getting hit, and he's still making plays on you.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: He had 11 missed tackles forced in that game. He
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: was really elusive. He's now third nationally in that category.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: first among quarterbacks. He's fourth nationally in rushing yards, first
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: among quarterbacks. He leads the country in rushing touchdowns. He
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: leads the country in scramble yards per carry. And my
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: point to all that is, guys, if you had told
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: me that in August, we thought Hawkins could be good.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: If you had told me that, you would say you're
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: probably undefeated and four and one would be the worst.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: You are wasting an elite offensive performance by a guy
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that you brought in and you weren't quite sure you
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: thought you had something. I know they felt they knew
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: they had something. And he has been something. And you've
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: wasted the last two weeks with him. He's been outstanding. Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Credit to Michael Hawkins. Now, I think we'd be raving
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: like that about Cam Cook had Michael Hawkins not been.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Doing what he's doing.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Because Cook has been unbelievable. 20 carries, 142 yards, two touchdowns.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: 81% of his rush yards after contact. These two dudes
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: are taking the offense, putting them on their back, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: just saying, let's go, guys.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: 86% and 81% of their yards after contact.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Now, don't take this out of context, OK? But these
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: are Slayton White-type statistics. I'm not saying they're Pat White
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and Steve Slayton. I'm saying they're those statistics. In fact,
• 29:22
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• 29:25
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• 29:26
  Speaker 3: While you're doing that, Cook with nine missed tackles forced
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in this game. That's 20 missed tackles by those two players.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Cook is now second nationally in rushing yards. Those two guys, Hoppy,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: are closing. in on 1,000 yards rushing after contact through
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: just five games. Hawkins is averaging nearly five yards per
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: carry after contact. Cook nearly four yards per carry after contact.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Here's one for you. Cook and Hawkins have each run
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: for over 100 yards in three straight games. The last
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: time it happened, Pat and Steve did it 20 years ago.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And there was another number from the folks at WVU,
• 30:06
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• 30:10
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• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You know, Brad, I like the term. I mean, it's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: bad to think of it this way, but I like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the term you use, and it is wasted. Because you
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't get these kind of performances. Like you said, Tony,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: these are generational performances. And you're not getting the win result,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: so they are.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: They're wasted.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Last stat, nearly one-third of Hawkins' run total rush yards
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: on the season are after contact. He's leading the nation.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I mentioned scramble yards per carry. And listen, guys, the
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: offensive line is better, but it's still got work to do,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: and I think that's obvious. In the meantime, while they're improving,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Hawkins is just handling it. He's just handling his business here.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Only five Power Four teams have a higher pressure rate
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: than West Virginia. So teams are getting into the backfield
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: on Hawkins, and he's just saying, don't care, doesn't matter.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to go around you. He has been
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: absolutely elite, and Cam Cook is neck and neck with him,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: putting up tremendous offensive performances. And again, the last two weeks,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you just haven't done him a service. You just needed
• 31:14
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• 31:16
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• 31:19
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  Speaker 1: schedule an appointment at WVU Golisano Children's. All right. So,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: got a ton, right? Got a ton, a ton, a ton,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a ton, a ton, obviously. And many of the same theme.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So what I try to do is take a representative
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: text that speaks on behalf without saying it over and
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: over again. And trust me when I tell you this,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I completely get the emotion that is behind these. Understand
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it completely. And it's justified. Yeah. Understand it. Because everyone
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is invested. Everyone, as I said at the start of
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the episode, everyone is invested. And so it hurts to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: when you do not get that result. And then when
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you do get the result, i.e. the Virginia game, you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: feel jubilant and bouncy, right? It's the pendulum of what
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it is. And unfortunately, it's just part of the deal
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: as a sports fan, whether it's West Virginia or whatever, that,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you know, that's what you're buying when you buy in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to follow. You're going to get it. One way or
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the other, I don't care if it's the Yankees. I
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: don't care if it's the whomever. you're going to have
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: some pain points. And we got pain. That's how textural
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: healing was started. It was to heal. And I don't
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: know if we're going to heal as much as just
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: kind of let you vent. Periopolis Phil, what can you say?
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: That's not a great way to start a text line.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Can the defense be fixed? That's the $ 25, 000 question. We
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: have the identity on offense. Just hope we can get
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a better defense. This stinks. Periopolis Phil. and that's kind
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of what we've been talking about, don't know how much
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: better it can get. Not sure. The only thing we
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: can do, you know, is you try to make your
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: adjustments and go out and play and see where you go.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's where you're trying to get to next, right?
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I think the stretch you're trying to replicate, Hop, is
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: the one where West Virginia got back in it. You
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: fell down two scores, and I'll be honest, I looked
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: at that and went, uh-oh, you've got a big problem now.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You're not really built to come from behind two.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: But they did. They did.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: The offense kept coming. The defense got the interception, then
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a stop. And you felt like, OK, you're back in this.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: So can you get to that point? Again, we've said
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: it many times. This is not the 96 defense, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be. But can you get to
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the point where you can force a turnover or two
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: to get a stop on a drive? Can you get
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: some pressure on a third down and get off the field?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Not a big bust. The challenge, and this should be
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: in your obvious territory, You're giving your offense such a
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: thin margin. There's no room for error for that offense.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: You're having to operate at Heisman levels for two guys
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: in order to just stay in the game, and it's
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: not enough to get a win. So I think that's
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: your biggest concern moving forward is, yes, can you fix
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: it just a little bit defensively, and then can the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: offense keep running at the pace in which it's running
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to find a way to get wins?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Two points.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: You were driving, and this is not making an excuse,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: but you were driving to win the game. I don't
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: think they were going to stop you. You were driving
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: to win the game, and I think you would have. Yeah,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: because quite frankly, they couldn't stop you either. Iowa State's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: three guys before the game should be saying that too. Like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: thank God we got that win. We're thrilled to get
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the win. But we came into this thinking we had
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: a pretty good defense, and we absolutely just got torched, shredded,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and had no answers for a really good running team.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What you were asking West Virginia's offense to do, if
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: they don't turn it over on their last possession, You
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: asked them to score five straight touchdowns. They did it
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: four times. Yes. And they were. And were marching for another.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And were marching. You would have had to score five
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: straight times, which is unreal. And unsustainable. Unless you're Oklahoma State,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: which did it against Westbrook.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: What, you know, Tony, what you hope to, this is
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: also a test of the character of the team. Because
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: if you're not careful, or if you don't have everything
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: all locked down, you could have the offenses, you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the offense and defense are different guys, right? And the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: offense is thinking, if they're not, if they don't have
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: it all together, like, man, what do we got to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: do here? Why don't those guys do something? So you
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: could have that. You got to nip that in the bud,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: as Barney Fife would say.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: That was my point as far as the emotion. Like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you can't run around being crazy and make the whole
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: thing fracture even if it's fracturing. You know what I'm saying? Yes.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: You need that. And coaches, I mean, Rich understands that. Like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you got to bring the whole thing in there and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: share that whole it's a team concept. We win or
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: lose together. And you have to do it. You've seen
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: other times where offenses struggle. I'm not saying specific to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: West Virginia, but it happens a lot of times. This
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: offense can't score. The defense, hey, you guys can't give
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: us 17 points. What are we doing?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Texter.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Hello, Mike from Daniels. Long-time listener. Second-time texter. This is
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: two hours after the game. I have tried to calm down.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I have my wife asking questions two hours later about
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: how bad the defense is. I can't explain it without
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: going ballistic. Can you please help me explain in a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: way I don't get divorced? My marriage is counting on it.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I can do that. As one who's been married twice,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I can do that. When you go ballistic about the defense,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: your wife thinks it feels like you're yelling at her.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you're going right into the relationship aspect. Absolutely.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: So just don't do it. And you might say, I'm
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: talking about the defense. But your voice is raised. and
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you're waving your arms and it feels like you're talking
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: about her just calm down and and understand what she
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: is hearing what you're saying she might be hearing something
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: different than what you were saying.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So you think like at any point this week in
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: any relationship if the guy acts bad he just goes
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: like i'm sorry honey it's the defense You could start there. Texter.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Michael Hawkins has had 20 or more rushes in three
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: games this year. Pat White only had two such games
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: during his four years. 2006 against Pitt and Louisville. This
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is not sustainable, and they have now lost two of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: those three games. Offense has done enough, yes, but... Andy
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: in Charlotte. Days like today make me long for the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: old Big East days. After a tough loss, you could
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: always look ahead and see Rutgers or UConn on the schedule.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Two guaranteed get-right games. Now I look at the rest
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of this year's schedule, and I really have to put
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: on my gold and blue colored glasses to find wins
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with the defense being what it is. Sure, they'll get
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a little better here and there individually, but collectively I'm
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: just not seeing enough to make any leap to stay
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: competitive for four quarters. Sadly, I think I may have
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: witnessed the high watermark of this season here in Charlotte
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a few short weeks ago. You know, and maybe that
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was a little.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, West Virginia did play well in that game,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but you see Virginia got whacked.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: They did. Yesterday. Florida Staters got them. Hey, three guys,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: in-game halftime text from Professor Vinny. Here comes a heater.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: It's never too late for a friendly reminder that WV
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: basketball starts in 30 days.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: And we have live action in two weeks from today.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: We'll be over in College Park.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: We'll get to see a little bit.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Texter, guys, for Hoppy, the one thing that's obvious this
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: year is there is no such thing as a gimme game.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: We can never relax and have a chill Saturday.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Well, to be a Mountaineer fan is to suffer, so
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: get on board.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: No, there is no. I mean, there are no gimme games.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Zero gimme games. Well, UT Martin was kind of a gimme.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Any more coming up. Oh, I see. Joe in Ohio.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: This is a classic Mountaineer loss. I'm not sure you
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: could script it better. High hopes coming in. Initial burst
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of success. Then you fall behind. Then glimmer of hope
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: only to completely blow it at the end. I've been
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: watching this play out my whole life as a Mountaineer fan.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Jim in Clarksburg. With this defense, I don't see three
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: more wins to get to a bowl. And if West
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Virginia finishes with a losing record, Rich will lose the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: base quickly. Mountaineer fans are absolutely tired of being told
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to be patient. Yeah, and we had several texts leading
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and increasing the frustration level. is that you've just lost
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: to two first-year coaches who just had massive retool rosters
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of 90-plus and 80-plus. Yes, it wasn't supposed to happen
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that way. Texter, Sean, in Florida, with Episode 800 rapidly approaching,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if any of you thought the show
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: would have been more fun to do if the two
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: major sports would have been better over the last nine years.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the numbers. In football, during the three-guys era,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: West Virginia is three games over. 500 and have won
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: more than six games in only three seasons. In the
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: previous nine years before three-guys, they were 29 games over.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: 500 and only had one season under seven wins. Men's basketball,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: a 55% winning percentage in the three-guys era, with just
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: as many losing seasons as 20-win seasons and only three
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: NCAA tournament berths. In the previous nine years, the winning
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: percentage was 65% with seven NCAAs, 10 wins in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: big dance and one final four causation correlation, or just
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: a plain curse. Maybe episode 800 can't come soon enough.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. We'll be very sad when the show is
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: no more signed by Sean in Florida. I often, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: always wondered what the team's record was since we did
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: start three guys and they, he, He did the math
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: for us.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I would also say anybody can do a podcast when
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the team's always really good. We like a challenge here
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: at Three Guys.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Well, speak for yourself. That's easy for me. This was
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: pretty neat. Taxer said, I just finished a job in
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: San Francisco, and I now find myself in a Waymo.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: That's the driverless taxi. Oh. I'm convinced... that this is
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the perfect representation of being a WVU fan. I'm listening
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to a three guys before the game. Take a look
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: at that, Hoppy. Simultaneously exciting and terrifying. So the guy's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: in one of those driverless cabs, and they put three
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: guys on the screen. There's no driver. He's in San
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Francisco just driving around listening to three guys in the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: back seat. Oh, my gosh. That's wild. It is. Would
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you get into one of those, Hoppy? Yeah, I would,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I think. Would you? Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Brad, we're going to do this year on the basketball
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: road trip.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: We stared at those in Scottsdale last year.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: We saw that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure there was a driver led car in Scottsdale.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I think they were all those Waymo things. We'll do
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: that this year. Hop and report back.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably safer than some of the drivers
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: around here.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At times.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Poor buddies. So we're getting an escort to the back
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to the airport. Yeah, on the interstate there. Brad familiar
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: with it, 35. It's amazing to me. Like there's like
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: a ton of cop cars leading this thing, right? And
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: they're cutting off people. I mean, they stop traffic so
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: people can't get onto the ramp. And these poor buddies
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: out there, they're driving their cars. And they just like
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the flashing lights aren't enough. They come in. And they
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: get in between the buses, and the buses are trying
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: to stay next to each other. What are they doing?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: That is the one big question. What are you doing?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And they'll try, like, there's cops all over. Anyway, I digress. Hey,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: three guys, I'm not sure if you remember me, but
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: this is Miles in Victor, West Virginia, located in Fayette County.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I became world famous at eight months old, thanks to
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the show, when I texted in last year while I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: was soaking up the sun in the Cayman Islands. sporting
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: my WV onesie. This time, I'm texting you by the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: way of the Grand Tetons in Yellowstone. It's a long story,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: but I rode on a Lou Wendell pontoon across Jenny
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Lake at the base of the Tetons. Scopes, there's a
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: lot out here that's larger than a boar. You should
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: try your luck. I've grown up a little. I'm now
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: pushing 18 months with a slightly bigger diaper, but as
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you can see, I'm still supporting the Mountaineers wherever I go. Well,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: there he is. Yeah, yeah. Got the binky in. Maybe
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Hoppy can add this to his obvious observations that someone
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: else typed this for me. There he is, man. Our
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: guy's growing up. He's at 18 months. He's a great pick. Yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: he got the big diaper on now. Got a moose
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: behind him. A binky. Big old moose. I bet that's
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a beautiful place. Is it? You been there? I went
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: to Jenny Lake and walked. I was on a path
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: in Jenny Lake in a bear. Yeah. was a bear
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: was probably 30 feet away. A grizzly or a black bear?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: A baby bear. And, like, you could hear it rustling
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: in the trees. You look over, and there he was.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And Joan, like, she kind of froze, and I said,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: keep walking. And we just kind of walked.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: It clearly knew you were a big game hunter. It
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: wanted no part of you.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Probably right. Word gets around. Texter, sorry for all
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the text, guys, but this is too good not to share.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Tonight's my son's homecoming dance, and we met his date's
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: parents for the first time. I was wearing a lovely
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: WVU polo, and the guy said, huh, I'm from Pocahontas County.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I replied, well, of course you are. Of course he is.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: There you go. All right. So rough time. And now
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of soul searching and a lot of fixing
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to do. Again, exactly how much better it will get
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: remains to be seen. And you've got a very tough
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: test coming up here. with the University of Arizona coming
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: up on Saturday at high noon. They dispatched of Cincinnati
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: last night. Took them to the woodshed. Cincinnati was down
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: 7-0 after one, 10-0 at halftime, 24-0 after three, and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: they ended up losing 34-7. Also, how about the Baylors?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, rolled at Arizona State. Go back to Cincinnati, Arizona
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: for a second, because if we haven't provided enough gloom
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: for the day, I mentioned Fafita coming in, four-year starter,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: averaging 300 yards a game. Here's maybe a larger concern.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a surprise. You knew Fafita
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: was going to be really good. The surprise is Cincinnati
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: had been running the ball at an extremely high clip.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: People are very high on their offensive line. They've been
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: averaging nearly 300 yards per game on the ground. Arizona's
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: run defense held them to 74.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: On 28 carries.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Now, again, Iowa State's run defense was good, and you
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: ran right through them like they didn't exist. But you
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: don't need a good passing quarterback coming in, passing offense,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: coupled with a good run defense. So this is a
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: game where you've got some situational advantages in terms of
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: the time zone. They've got to come all the way
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: over in the early start. But man, those are two
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: scary numbers. So you want an early look at what
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about Thursday. It's going to be
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: those two. That's what you're staring down the barrel at
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: TCU is now 2-3 after a home loss to BYU
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: 17-10 in a game that wasn't that close. TCU scored
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a field goal late to make it 17-10, but it
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: was sitting there at 17-7 from halftime. It was just
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: total control by BYU.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: That was bad weather. TCU couldn't run it on BYU
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: at all. Average 2.5 yards per carry in that one.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech got hot late, scored 17 in the fourth quarter,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: beat up on Colorado 29-7. Deion Sanders is now saying
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: he's going to take a look at what he's doing
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: at quarterback.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: They were awful. They are really wobbly, guys. We've said
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: that every week. There were some that thought that might
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: be an upset. That game was really close until late.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: That score is nowhere even indicative of what it was.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: It was 12-7. Texas 12-7, Texas Tech going into the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Correct. It should have been worse.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: The quarterbacks were three interceptions in one quarter.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: One was a pick six. They had four turnovers total. Houston.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech's got issues.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Houston trailed at halftime 10-0 to UCF, outscored them 27-7.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: In the second frame, win 27-17. Houston, a future opponent, 4-1. Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Kansas had a date with Middle Tennessee and did what
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to against Middle, 55 to nothing. Baylor,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: 55 big boys on the road at Arizona State.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, DJ Lagway, again, your quarterback plays well. It should
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: turn into wins. West Virginia was the exception there. Lagway
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: threw for 300 yards. He started to live up to
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: some of that potential you saw when he was at Florida.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: That's a rough loss for Arizona State. And Baylor, listen,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Baylor's high-stepping. There was all kinds of noise surrounding that
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: program for the last couple of years and certainly to
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: start this season. They've now started 2-0 here in Big
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: 12 play.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Before we go away, basketball-wise and the lawsuit situations, we've
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: got other things. OK, what's the turn to our legal correspondent?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the next stage has already happened. The NCAA
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: did not waste any time or let grass grow under
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: their feet. They have already filed the appeal in that case.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: So you're going to get a hearing about a stay
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: to maybe overrule what Judge Bailey just said, to do
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: a stopgap. And then the appeal date has not been
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: set yet, but that will come about, and you'll likely
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: have to win an appeal here because the chances of
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: the appeal case being heard after the basketball season are
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: probably a low percentage right now. That might be something
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: that happens here in season. Now, one significant note, the MDLs,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: the multi-district lawsuits where the NCAA was trying to argue
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: against that these should be combined into one hearing, not
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: these individual states and a federal in this state and
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: a state case here. That got turned away. West Virginia's
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: case does not appear to be a part of that.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: So that's a little minor win that's really not talked
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: about for Bilo and Javon and Chambers and McDougal. But
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: you're waiting on the appeal date now is the next thing.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Talking to the Iowa State folks, and we play them
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: twice this coming season, they're hopeful that Tame and Lipsy
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: is there, but they're not like they're saying. Same thing.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Same thing. Same thing as the Brennan-Lorean and Javen Buchanan.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: So they're hopeful. And Torre, they're saying January. Correct. They'll
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: be ready to go.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talented.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: What now?
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Sophomore guard, great defender. He was dinged and will be
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: making a.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Return at some point. Young man from France, if I'm
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: not mistaken. I think that's correct. Over there. International player. Tony,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of three guys events this week. Oh, thank you, dude.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: My bag. That's all right.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: You're all right.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Forgot that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Moving mountains, first and foremost.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: We're moving mountains, figuratively, of course. On Wednesday, we'll be
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: at Touchdown Terrace at the stadium for the second year
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: that will be part of the United Way fundraiser. A
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: good time will be had by all, and all you
• 53:34
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• 53:38
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  Speaker 1: For those of you that are watching, if not, just
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: reach out to the folks at the United Way of
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Monongalia and Preston County, and we'll be there We'll have
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: WV student-athletes. And just a good old fun time. A
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: little midweek smile. Yeah.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing everybody. Food Court is open this weekend,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Friday night and Saturday morning before kickoff. So normal times there.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Afternoon on Friday into the evening, 4 o'clock is start.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Morning will be back at an 8, 9 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Start.
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  Speaker 3: Just a note, though, no Buffalo Wild Wings event coming
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: up the next two Thursdays just because of the scheduling
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: conflicts that exist. So no Buffalo Wild Wings. but we
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: will be back and do that at some point later
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: on in the year. We'll announce that when that becomes available.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: We'll be back there. All right, that'll do it for us.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being with us. Producer Jumpin' Jack, Jake, Jim, John,
• 54:32
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• 54:41
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• 54:45
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