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The Epstein Criminal Enterprise And The Nadia Marcinkova Conundrum (Part 1) (5/19/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to the people that enabled
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  Jeffrey Epstein, nobody enabled them more than the Core Four,
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  and those were the four women that were his most
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  trusted assistants, and they, of course were Sarah Kellen Vickers,
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  Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff, and Nadia Marsenkova, who I dubbed
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  the Core four. Now, of these four women, the only
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  woman that I think deserves any kind of second look
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  as far as somebody who might have been a victim,
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  is Nadia Marsenkova, Especially if the story we heard about
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  how she came into Epstein's orbit is true, then I
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  think that Nadia Marsenkova and her story deserves a different
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  kind of lens than the other women. Now, does that
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  mean that she is not responsible for anything she did?
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  Of course, not big on self responsibility, and once you
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  get to a certain age it's time for that to
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  kick in. But we also have to keep in mind
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  the psychological issues, the trauma and the bonds that were
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  forged under that trauma that led to Nadia doing what
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  she did allegedly. So I certainly have some compassion for
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  Nadia Marsenkova, and I've been very clear about that over
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  the years. When we first started talking about this, I
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  looked at Nadia like the rest of those women, right,
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  like she was, you know, one of the core four
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  who was absolutely draconian and horrible. But as we learn more,
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  it was obvious to me anyway that Nadia was a
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  little bit different and that there was a situation around
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  Nadia that needed to be looked at with some nuance.
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  And then, of course, with the Epstein files release, we
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  find out that Nadia was a cooperating witness behind the scenes,
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  so that certainly goes to her favor. Sarah kellen Vicker
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  certainly wasn't cooperating, neither was Leslie Groff or Adriana Ross.
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  So I certainly give that credit right and I think
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  it shows remorse and it shows that Nadia knows that
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  she did something wrong. So today we're gonna talk a
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  little bit more about Nadia marson Kova, and to do that,
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  we have an article from the BBC headline victim or
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  enabler Epstein's girlfriend who could face questions despite plea deal. Girlfriend. Guys,
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  come on, do you guys not know the story? Here.
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  This article was authored by Tim wee Well and Jacob Pohl.
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  During Jeffrey Epstein's first spell in jail, a thirteen month
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  sentence for soliciting sex from an underage girl, prison record
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  show one woman visiting him sixty seven times. That woman
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  was Nadia Marsonkova, or in this article they call her Marchinko.
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  Marchinko was Epstein's main girlfriend for seven years, his most
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  significant partner after Glenn Maxwell, and in later years an
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  assistant pilot of his private plane. She is comparatively unknown
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  to the public, but she may soon find herself in
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  the spotlight. Tell me you don't know this story. Without
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  telling me, you don't know the story. And that's why
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  I do this podcast, honestly, because I feel like all
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  of you deserve to have you know as close to
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  the truth as we can get. You need to know
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  all the players on the stage, and you need to
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  know where everybody fits in, right, I mean, we have
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  a lot of moving parts here, and not everybody is
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  the same. Marchenko is one of four women who are
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  named as Epstein's potential co conspirators in a two thousand
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  and eight plea deal that granted them immunity from prosecution.
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  Now two of those women, Epstein assistant Sarah Kellen and
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  Leslie Groff, are about to be questioned by US legislators.
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  One congresswoman wants all four, including Adriana Ross, another Epstein assistant,
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  and Marchinko, to be investigated despite the plea deal. And look,
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  words matter, what do you mean despite the plea deal?
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  The plea deal should be null and void. Epstein violated
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  that plea deal the second he left jail. That Npa
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  should be thrown away yesterday. And the fact they're not
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  even talking about that, well, it shows you that we
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  should be. Marsan Kova has never been accused of or
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  charged with any crime. Her lawyers say she's one of
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  Epstein's victims. But girls in Palm Beach, Florida, whose testimony
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  about their abuse when they were underage led to Epstein's
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  conviction in two thousand and eight, told the police that
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  Marchinko participated in that abuse. Look, Nadia was so under
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  the spell of Jeffrey Epstein that it's not even funny.
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  This girl was coerced, she was groomed, and all of
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  this was normalized from a young age. Imagine being ripped
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  from your parents, sold whatever it was, and you get
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  brought into this life of the bauchery and degeneracy and
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  everybody's involved in it, and you're some girl from Slovakia.
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  You don't know the first thing about the first thing. Ah,
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  this is how the Americans live great perfect The whole
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  entire thing is fucking heinous. The BBC has spent months
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  interviewing those who have met Marchenko and scrutinizing every email
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  we could find between her and Epstein in the files
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  to try and build the detailed picture of her role
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  in the disgraced financier's life. The emails reveal Epstein and
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  Marsankova wanted to start a family together, we have discovered.
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  The BBC has also found evidence suggesting that, over many years,
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  he asked her to recruit other women to help satisfy
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  his sexual desires, and she complied. Look, there's no doubt
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  that Nadia has to answer questions, But like I said before,
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  I think it's nuanced and I think it's more than
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  just black and white here, whereas with Sarah Kellen Vickers,
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  Oh it's black and white. That lady part of the problem,
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  That lady part of the Enterprise that lady, in my opinion,
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  should be indicted, but the emails also exposed deeply course
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  of tendencies on the part of Epstein. Marsenkova later told
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  investigators that he was physically violent, choking her and throwing
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  her down a flight of stairs. We have had access
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  to her account to investigators via a document that was
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  released heavily redacted by the US Department of Justice in January.
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  Marchenko's name is not visible, but the five pages of
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  testimony match in every detail what we know about her
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  from other sources. The BBC contacted Marsenkova for a comment,
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  but she did not reply. Since Epstein's death in prison
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  of twenty nineteen, awaiting further sex charges, she has disappeared
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  from public view. She's not going to talk to them,
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  zero chance, zero chance. Back in the day when I
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  used to do live streams, Nadia actually popped into one
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  of those live streams over on Facebook. She didn't say anything,
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  but she was there lurking. And I think that Nadia
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  wants to tell her story, but I think she's scared,
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  and I don't blame her, honestly, I really don't. But
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  if I could give her advice, it would be to
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  get out in front of all of it. And I
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  think that if she tells her story and she does
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  it truthfully, that she's gonna find that a lot of
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  people are receptive to it. Now, does that mean that
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  she should be, you know, granted forgiveness, that there should
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  be no legal consequences. I'm not saying that that's not
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  up to me. That's up to an investigation. That's up
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  to looking at the evidence. That's up to talking to psychologists,
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  you know, the whole thing. But from the evidence we have,
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  from what we know, I think that the Nadia Marsenkova
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  question is one of the hardest to answer, And this
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  is a topic that I go back and forth on.
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  Of course, I feel like Nadia was mistreated. I feel
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  like she was coerced, and I feel like she was groomed.
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  But also I feel bad for the girls who were
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  abused by her and Epstein. At the same time, their
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  abuse matters too. So when I say this is one
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  of those questions that really doesn't have any good answers,
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  that's what I mean. So the question is how do
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  we navigate the waters and do it in a way
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  that is fair to everybody? Fair to the people who
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  were abused and fair to Nadia, who was abused but
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  also did some abusing. I think that that's a valid
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  question and it's a valid debate. The calls for investigation
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  into Marsankova have raised important questions about whether a victim
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  of sexual coercion can also be deemed and accomplice. Definitely
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  a tough question, and I wish I was qualified to
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  answer it. All I can give is my opinion, and
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  I think that I go on a case by case
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  basis wherever the evidence takes me. I don't believe all women.
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  I don't believe all this one. I believe the evidence,
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  and wherever the evidence takes me, that's where I'm going
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  to drift. Marchinko was born Nadia Marsankova into a comfortably
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  off respected family in Slovakia. She told federal investigators who
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  interviewed her after Epstein's death that she had first met
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  the financier in New York in two thousand and three,
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  when she was eighteen, at a birthday party for Jean
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  lu Brunel, a close friend of Epstein's. Brunel ran the
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  New York branch for the agency in Paris and Brunell
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  brought her to the US a few weeks before his
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  party on a visa that he had arranged. Well, is
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  that true, I don't know. We've heard she was fourteen. Now,
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  if it's true that she was eighteen when she came
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  into Epstein's orbit, that changes the conversation. This seems to
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  be backed up by email chains the BBC traced in
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  the Epstein files that reveal years afterward, Marsinkova and Epstein
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  celebrated the same date, September seventeenth, as her anniversary. I
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  don't believe she was eighteen. Sorry, I don't believe that,
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  not for a minute. Marsonkova was an unlikely Internet national model,
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  says a primary school classmate who were calling Joseph. Though
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  she was beautiful, she was very shy, what we call
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  seta miska, a little gray mouse. She began modeling as
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  a teenager, with assignments soon taking her to Japan and Taiwan,
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  she once told a Slovak newspaper. A few days after
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  she met Epstein at Brunell's party, Epstein invited her to
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  his mansion in Palm Beach, Marsenkova told investigators, and from
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  there flight logs confirmed she went on to his private
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  Caribbean island, Little Saint James. She was legally an adult,
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  but the imbalance between them in power, wealth and age
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  was huge. Epstein was already fifty, so thirty two years
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  her senior. I don't know if I believe the age.
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  Can we get some confirmation on that? Because Brunell sponsored
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  her visa and because Epstein bankrolled Brunell's agency to the
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  tune of a million dollars, she felt, she later told
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  investigators at Epstein could have her deported with a single
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  phone call to Brunel. Immigration fraud use for the trafficking
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  ring another example. How many more examples do people need?
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  So even if you don't believe the widespread human trafficking
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  of children, how can you try and deny this? And
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  this is one of my biggest problems when it comes
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  to the people who only want to talk about salacious nonsense.
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  I know it drives engagement and I know it gets
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  you a bag, but it also screws everything up when
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  it comes to perspective. I mean, some of the comments
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  I see people make when it comes to this topic
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  is it's just insane people that have no business talking
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  about this subject, act like there's some kind of foremost
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  authority on it, and it's just bananas to see because
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  anybody who knows this case, anybody who knows what Epstein
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  was up to, anybody who knows the kind of shit
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  they like to do, then they know that it all
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  started with immigration fraud and that didn't just happen, you know, paneously.
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  There were people in the immigration office helping them. Who
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  are those people? Why haven't they been outed? Are we
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  ever going to get an investigation into that? She traveled
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  with them constantly, she told investigators, and emails both in
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  their tone and content, suggests they rapidly became a couple.
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  Glenn Maxwell was still Epstein's close friend and was finding
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  other women for him, but their sexual relationship was coming
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  to an end. Our research suggests Marsenkova was now his
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  main girlfriend. The email show but though there's plenty a
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  sentiment in the emails, and Epstein writes to someone else
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  in two thousand and nine that I am in love
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  with Naudia, the exchanges also reveal how domineering you was.
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  An email from that year gives a flavor of what
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  he seems to have expected from her. I want you
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  to learn how to cook eggs scrambled poached over easy.
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  I want you to learn how to run a house.
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  I want no arguments during the Monday to Friday week.
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  I want you to read one of the one hundred
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  great books every month. I want beautiful things only in
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  the house. You cannot put anything in without letting me
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  see it first. That seems like a very very great
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  two way relationship. Huh, don't put anything in the house
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  without letting me see it first. Boy should try running
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  that ship by my girlfriend. Hey, babe, I don't think
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  you should buy anything before I can give it a look.
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  That's like in the top ten of things not to
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  say to an Italian American woman. But all kidding aside,
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  that's the way Jeffrey Epstein talked to everybody. Every single
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  relationship was built on domination. After his death, Martankova told
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  investigator as Epstein had controlled every aspect of her life,
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  including her weight and clothing. She said that he forced
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  her to have multiple plastic surgeries and physically abused her.
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  We have not found any direct mention of those incidents
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  in their email exchanges, but that does not mean they
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  do not exist somewhere in the files. In one email
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  we found, she accuses them of abusive partner behavior, and
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  there is repeated reference to Epstein's expectation that Marsankova will
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  scout for other women or girls for him. And I
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  want you to keep in mind that that was part
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  of Jeffrey Epstein's trap. Once you've started getting girls for him,
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  you're a part of the enterprise. You have criminal culpability,
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  and now he holds that over your head as well
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  as the immigration stuff. Look when I tell you there's
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  levels to this shit, this is what I'm talking about.
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  I don't know if we've ever dealt with somebody as
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  nefarious is Jeffrey Epstein. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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  up episode one right here, and in the next episode
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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  information that goes with this episode can be found in
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