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Joba and the Mouth 6-19-25 · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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Wow, welcome. We are back with another episode
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listening to its me Aaron Fishman, our executive producer
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bit of the top players in baseball.
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We're almost at the halfway point of the Season.
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We'll get there next week. So I created a little all-in.
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So we're going to talk about that debate.
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Gary Phillips, the Yankees beat writer, who's there with them
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this slump. That the Yankees have been on.
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They broke it today. Broke that six game losing
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streak. When in a rain soaked game, save
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in the last game of the series with the angels, who are
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surprisingly just a couple games on 500 after, you know, kind of
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toiling in obscurity for a number of years.
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Voice. We've got one thing I wanted to
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talk about before we get into everything.
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I was just coaching this morning, some football.
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I coach offensive and defensive line up by West Point.
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It was the first hot day of the year.
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We got up to around 90. We ended up coming off the field
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at noon, we didn't even get To, you know, the team offense and
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defense that we wanted to run and just was too hot.
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I lived in Florida, though. And in Florida.
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They don't come off the field for any reason.
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I've seen it and now job, you guys have spring training down
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in Tampa? It gets hot starting in April,
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in Tampa, I what we have these rules about real feel.
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If it's a real feel is over. I think 88 like you got to start
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looking at it very carefully. If it gets to 95, you can't be
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on the field. I thought it was a real feel of
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95 every day for three months when I lived in Tampa, when we
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got to the summer, Have you ever had any rules where you had to
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come off the field? What was it like when you played
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know not necessarily is as I guess, temperature wise.
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It was always more so rain than anything else.
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There were times. I remember I was charging.
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And I would have to wear an undershirt just so I didn't
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sweat through my original shirt. And so yeah, there was never
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never a time, like, we're an excessive heat warning right
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now. For the College World Series
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right now. And it's supposed to be 104
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tomorrow. 101.99. and, Only know what it is on the field,
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obviously. but, yeah, I guess I've never never experienced it
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from like, that perspective of like if it's that hot on the
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field like you're not gonna you know basically play the game so
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I don't I don't know how it's gonna go.
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I'm obviously we have here in Omaha.
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More around site at 101, North 10th Street. and covering
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Caldwell series, but I don't I don't think I've ever been in
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that situation where it's we didn't play, cuz it was too hot.
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I've had delays because the umpires were getting ready, but
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I've never had one where like we're ready to get on the field
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and and do that stuff. So, Yeah, I don't I don't know
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if I've ever experienced that even like Youth Sports when
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you're growing up because I know when I was a kid, they didn't
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have that stuff up Northeast, but I think it's changed.
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I think it might just be a Northeast thing.
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It might be a little bit. I Well, people are getting
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softer too. It's like, we played through a
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lot of what I wanted to get to. Play through a lot more stuff.
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And things that we did. back then, then they do now so and I
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don't know if that's necessarily A generational thing or or what
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Is happening in that you've always been a coach longer than
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I have. And I only Coach Carter for a
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couple of years. But I never.
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I can never recall and I think it's just kind of how they've
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kind of just switched generations and things that have
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like kind of transitioned like We have to take care of him
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better, as I. Are you really taking care of
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him? You know, there's a lot of ways
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to take care of kids on the football field.
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I want to get into that in a second or, you know, in any
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field because I think of a guy, the reason why they do it.
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And it's not just because there's one case, but the one,
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that I always remembered because it was such a prominent player,
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Speedy was Corey Stringer, was this great tackle for the
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Vikings years ago and he dropped dead of heat stroke just like
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working out in preseason doing drills.
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I mean we've had oh my God was a Kendall Simmons.
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Come on. Yes.
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The former Pittsburgh Steelers guard.
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He was fantastic when he came on and he told us about he has Type
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1 diabetes. And he found out because he
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almost dropped dead in pre-season because he was
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running drills and they said he had a blood sugar around 800
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something which I thought you were dead already because I'm
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Type 1 diabetic in the same way as him and I can't even imagine
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just all the equipment and stuff that we have like he can't wear
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a pump so he's just doing math. All day trying to make sure that
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he has enough energy to get through.
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The next Drive. You know, remember he still
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played remember the Maryland coach Scandal so from like 2019
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as well, they were overworking those players in the Heats like
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crazy. That's right.
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And that was the was that the trainer?
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That was an Urban Meyer disciple.
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Yeah. If I'm not mistaken.
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Yeah. Well, when did, when did it
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change fish for you? Because I being a football coach
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when did like because I remember two days were such a big thing.
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So, I remember when I played it was three days Java, we okay, do
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it where we get there at 6 and we wouldn't leave till around
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6:00 but the way it coaches, thought it was smarter to have
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like a special teams segment in the middle of the day and have
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like one, like some of the kids doing skill stuff while the
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other group lifted and then the other group, you know, and
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they'd all turn eight, we could go through them in the pool.
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If it was really, really hot school at a pool that when I was
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over there, but we ended up having these like, the wet Bowl
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readings. I don't know if you ever heard
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of it but like there's a certain it's like this.
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It looks like a kid's science project to be honest with you
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but it's how you tell what the real feel is and you can't.
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There's like certain guidelines at least in New York state where
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you just gotta pull the kids off the field, you have to go
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inside, we try to when it's like that you try to get the kids on
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the chalkboard but just imagine it's 95 degrees or 100 degrees
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and they put you in a classroom and you're a teenager and we're
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like, pay attention. You need to learn this the Odds
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of that happening are, you know, you're just banging your head
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into the wall and I don't think I ever got anything done as a
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coach in those sessions. But I wanted to say you know, we
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hear a lot of x's and o's and coaches you know that have the
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best system, the Shanahan system in the NFL or you know the West
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Coast in years ago or you know there's a few other Speedy.
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I'm sure you can name drop some of them but it's that's not
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really what coaching is about to me and job.
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I think you can attest to this your best.
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Coaches are the guys who knew your body mechanics.
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The guy that can look at you and said, you don't look right now.
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What's going on? You're right.
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Just from how you threw a ball. That's what a coach does.
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And I want to tell a little story about, I want to my
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favorite players I ever had coaching.
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This is a year. We were playoff team kind of had
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a nowhere kind of got screwed over in our seating but we were
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we were really good team that year.
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I think we finished eating too. Beat our cross town rivalry.
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We didn't beat him, 31 years, and a lot of those because of
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the kid, I called the big cat. We all called him, the big cat.
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It's a great name. He was like six one, maybe not
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even six one but six sixes call him six one, three twenty five.
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He was a hoss but he I had him for four years and he was not
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good as first two years he was too big and he couldn't get out
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of his own way. And we'd always try to get him
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into a stance that would work for him that he can get out of.
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And that's the biggest problem in football, especially when you
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have kids that are the little bit overweight.
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You can't, you just can't Speedy.
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I don't know if you know this, but like you can't just get a
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kid to be athletic, go overnight.
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It takes years and years of work.
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Yeah, there was that, if it was that easy, there were we
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wouldn't be talking about all these NFL draft boss.
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I mean, maybe in pickleball, but I don't know.
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You know, it's not like a lot of guys pick up pickleball pretty
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quick, right? Yeah, we'll have to ask her
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friend Mr. Gronkowski, next time he comes on the show, he's
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pickleball player could, but to wrap this up, the reason I bring
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him up is one he had a really, he had like a weird looking
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elbow job and his parents. I talked to him about it because
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he couldn't get down in the stands and then I looked at him
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and was like, maybe we should change his stance to something
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specific for him because his arm one arm was Like an inch and a
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half longer than the other because he had dislocated his
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elbow when he was like, 18 months old or something like
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that and it never healed correctly and they never fixed
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it. So when he went down in a
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three-point stance he could only do it one way.
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So we switched it up and we told him to go into a four-point
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stance and we told them to press his arm in a certain angle and
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we allowed him to like turn just a little slightly like created a
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stance for him and he became an all section player.
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He was incredible and he teams just couldn't handle it and that
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has nothing to do with a single play.
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Call it has nothing to do with anything, it was me having a
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relationship with a kid and trying to figure out how to make
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him like the most successful. He could be.
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And I think a lot of people that when we are on a sports show,
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it's very easy to kill coaches. It's very easy, but you don't,
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well, they're the first escape goat because it's not necessary
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to players. It's always usually the coach
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that and ends up getting pushed out.
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Yeah, well look it's your pointing you whenever you point
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fingers, you got three more pointing right back at your
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face. You know, and you end up usually
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seeing that with coaching in a professionals ranks and
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sometimes in high school, especially like Texas and those
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places, it's very serious. But it's all about wins and
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losses. You don't realize there are a
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lot of people that can impact your life that are just working
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on you. And I think like, your position
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coaches. Are you talk to any players?
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They're going to tell you about their position.
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Coaches first. I guarantee you you can tell me
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about your pitching coach job when you were young girl that
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influenced you you know maybe he was your head coach too but you
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know or your manager as well but I guarantee you it's that guy
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because that's the real Coach. Those are the guys you want on
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your staff. Those are the guys you want to
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work with as a coach guys, that pay attention and be like you
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know what? He doesn't look right.
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He played lacrosse last night, he's going to over train if we
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push him too hard today. We don't want him to get hurt
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but fish do you think about this too?
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As a coach too like and I always ask people that we bring on
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where it's like, if If you're a multi-sport athlete like as a
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coach, do you try to manage that as well?
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So you try to build relationships with the other
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sports coaches is really what you do like for football.
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The pipeline always used to be. If you're doing football you're
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doing wrestling in the winter, right?
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If you're not a wrestler, you're probably one of the our
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receivers and you're playing basketball and if you're not
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that and you're an offensive lineman you're throwing the shot
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put you know like we want you doing other sports, we don't
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want you just in the weight room.
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You're not training other muscles, you're not becoming you
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know more. I improving your athletic
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Acuity. It might be the best way to put
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it, you know, Steve Nash. I always like to bring up, Steve
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Nash was a great soccer player or loves playing soccer, you can
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see how he sees the basketball game, similarly to a great
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soccer player like messy, where he's looking for the angles
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looking for the trying angles, looking for the different types
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of ways to do that, one of the hardest things to do, the way
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they curve. The soccer ball like that on the
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set place, well, that is side. Just like the mental side of the
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game learning different games, having different muscle muscles
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do different activities. Not just doing the same thing
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until you're at a point where I would say shouldn't be happen
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until junior year high school for most people really
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shouldn't. You should probably.
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I mean football you might want to stop a little earlier just
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for safety reasons but you should be playing a lot of stuff
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until you get to around 16 17. Then if you're going to be a
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real Prospect people, will you will know at that point.
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You will know. But everyone's parents think
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their kid is going to be a professional player at nine
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years old and it's crazy. So you said 1617 and my son's
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obviously going to be a sophomore in college.
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Like, so, do you do you honestly, like, do you think
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that like that? 16 17 Realm.
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Or do you think before? Because there's so many, there's
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so many kids now Sports specific.
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On what they do. And you lovely seen it more as a
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coach than I ever have. Because I always wanted Carter
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to play basketball. He played tennis and obviously
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baseball, but Do you think it? Is there an age where you can
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kind of? Get to that point where you're
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like, yeah, we tried you through everything, we figure out what
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you're good at but what like what what direction do we go?
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I think like, at the end of your sophomore year of high school.
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Like you're probably now physically at a point where
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we're going to be able to project what you're going to
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look like and how your body is going to tend to one sport of
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the other a little bit better. I hate the specialization.
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I I don't like, you know this you know the pie in the sky of
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being a pro is one thing. That's that's a whole nother
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story but what you're doing to the kid healthwise?
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We see all the time. Each on injuries, we see it.
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We don't need to be playing fall ball, winter ball, and having a
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full season and then going to clinics.
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And then being on the circuit for all the clinics and never
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giving your arm arrest, never training your arm to do
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different activities. So it's just the same motion
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that's being worn on that old UCL and that old flexor, tendon
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Joba, you know, that's, that's what, that's what it is, like,
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flexor strain. We know what it is.
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And that, but that's the thing too.
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It's like and you've been able to coach some, some good
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athletes and it's, I always bring up the Christian McCaffrey
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article and he's like, I am the best football player for what I
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do because I ran track, I played basketball.
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I did those things and like Carter playing tennis and
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playing basketball like I never was good at any of that.
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I also didn't do the other stuff.
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But for him and made him better. And my son is a better athlete
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than I am. Yeah, I did.
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I play a long time in the big league.
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Yes, I did. But he's a better athlete
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because he did more stuff. Because I wasn't good at all
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that and that's what's made him. Great.
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And what's allowed him to advance at the next level and
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see these things. and so, I'm just it just I hate when it gets
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down to that point and You know, when we talk about it and it's
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like, you know, we were talking about Jackson job the other day.
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Yes. just, Does he go through that?
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If he didn't do all the circuits and didn't fall ball.
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Winter. Ball all the other.
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Do we know that answer? No, we don't know, because
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nobody ever knows. I mean what if he spent time
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dribbling a basketball? And playing man defense and
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getting low and being and it's it's gonna help him in every
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way. Like tennis was unbelievable for
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Carter because it was footwork and like that was that was the
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funnest. That was the funnest season for
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me as a father. Because basketball was the only
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season that I could see Carter every year because that was my
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offseason. So I didn't get to see him a lot
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for baseball other than watching, on on Game Changer and
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all the other stuff. But then tennis, I gotta watch
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him. Just be an athlete.
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But then it was like, now he he learned how to and he had great
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coaches. They were young kids and he
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vibed with them very, very well. But it made him so much better
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on the basketball court, it made him so much better at shortstop,
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it made him so much better. Because those are things that
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you learn in Eighty. because it's not like you're teaching
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them because I don't know shit about it so I can't do that but
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he can go to a trainer and he's been doing that but I just feel
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like it's so important for them because it it allows them. to
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take rest off their body and certain aspects.
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Especially throwing because it's the most awkward thing.
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It's it's why you look at. I love the watching, The Women's
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College World Series in softball.
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But it's why they can throw every game because that's a
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natural motion of your arm. Yeah, throwing a baseball is not
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You know Speedy I wanted to ask you do you because this is my
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theory that all of this specialization and non-stop
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throwing is why we have all these injures, not so much that
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everyone's throwing harder. You hear some.
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People say that I wanted to hear your take on.
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Why you think those injuries are happening?
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Yeah, I think for certain Sports, I think it can be that
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way. Because I think something that
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involves a lot of precision and when it comes to aiming,
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obviously a quarterback in football, obviously, pitching in
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baseball, something that evolves a lot of aiming, it definitely
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could be and it's interesting. You brought up tennis, I forget,
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which one of our baseball guests, brought it up years ago,
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that he was mentioning tennis as a good offseason training for,
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for him in baseball, because it's not as much the wear and
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tear, but it's still like getting your arms moving in a
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sense. And so, it's always good to have
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like a, I guess in in baseball a Precision Sport like that in
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more of a contact sport, just something to keep you endurance
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wise and that's the same thing. They were mentioning with with
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college a few weeks ago with the whole world changed like Because
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they're such in the grind of just the one sport, but it's
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good to have a direct League or something, to change it up if
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you're a college athlete. So I think there are our layers
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to it. I don't think it's everything to
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do with the injuries but I think it's definitely a lot to do with
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it. When it comes to, I guess more
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of the Precision Sports, you know, I mean certain sports like
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hockey, you kind of have to be skating and doing that stuff.
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Most of the year around every once in a while to get a hockey
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kid on the football team and we were so ecstatic to have them
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because, you know, it was like very rare that that would
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happen. The kid had to love football and
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he was one of the best kids I ever had for sure.
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But, you know, had an injury from over training.
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Yeah. I just want to move on before we
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move on, I want to read the word this comment here from a bill p.
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One of our new fans have him playing all those different
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sports, four different sports each other's baseball and Tennis
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but again, yeah, playing casualty for some of the others
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for those sports or going to be important for, I guess, just not
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having to wear out or where you, where your body out one
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different way. Well, I gotta I got a lot of
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coaching stories job and I think we're gonna get some more,
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especially after our guests job. You're gonna have some free
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reign to get in some real cool, you know, College World Series
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experience because it's been 20 years since you you're famous,
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run. Thanks 2005.
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Make, make me feel older. Thanks.
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Love you love you. Same age, bro, love you, buddy.
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But you know, there's another guy as far as coaching, it's got
24:02
his work cut out for him in about 35 minutes in the tip off
24:05
tonight. Yes.
24:06
I'm talking about Rick Carlisle because the Pacers are facing
24:10
elimination tonight. In game, six at home versus OKC
24:14
Thunder. After Halliburton, completely
24:16
disappeared in game five, the Thunder beat the Pacers won 2021
24:20
and game. Five of the NBA Finals, taking a
24:22
3-2 series lead Jalen Williams. Put up 40 points in game.
24:27
Five was the fifth youngest player in NBA history with a
24:31
40-point. NBA Finals game.
24:33
He has that 25 points. Five rebounds in three straight
24:37
Finals game. The first young player younger
24:39
than 25 to do that since the Big Aristotle himself, Shaquille,
24:43
O'Neal Shea Gill just Alexander had a double with 31 points in
24:47
Tennessee. Scored over 30 and 4 of the five
24:49
finals games, Shea and Jalen have scored 291 points, combined
24:54
forth and NBA history for a Duo and the first five games, a lot
24:57
of stats speedy. All impressive.
24:59
I should have maybe gave you the six pack on this one for stats
25:01
but I was a big thing in this game is Tyrese Halliburton.
25:05
Tyreese Halliburton suffered a right calf strain and game five
25:09
was limited throughout the game. He had four points in 34
25:13
minutes. He tweaked his leg driving to
25:15
the hoop against Chet Holmgren. In the first quarter, didn't hit
25:17
a single field goal until I guess, I don't think he won all
25:21
game. No, it was only for us.
25:24
Just foul shots for the Four Points, didn't hit a shot in
25:27
game five. Sean, he said that Mack on the
25:30
Mac Avi show that, however, is expected to play.
25:32
And yes, that is correct. He is active for tonight's game.
25:36
They're not gonna keep that guy away from playing.
25:38
Would have been nice excuse though.
25:41
Right? Oh we lost.
25:42
Because you know, Tyrese got hurt.
25:44
We could have won. You know, we were just as good
25:48
as them we were right there. I don't know, man, I don't know.
25:52
I think that Thunder team really, really have just
25:58
scratching the surface. We may be seeing the beginning
26:00
of the dynasty. Think about how young everyone
26:03
is on this team. Let's start with, with Jalen
26:08
Jalen Williams putting up as the second guy.
26:12
Is the second guy putting up 40 points.
26:16
That's impressive, man. They didn't have another Creator
26:20
like him. Last that, I mean, at any point
26:23
with Shady ill, just Alexander because he hadn't come into his
26:26
own yet. I think it's fair to say Jalen
26:29
Williams is real and he ain't going nowhere.
26:32
He is absolutely one of the best that we're seeing right now and
26:37
some people are comparing him and I want to hear your take on
26:39
this comparing Jalen Williams To want to arrows, favorites.
26:45
Scotty Pippin. Think about this for second.
26:49
Scotty Pippin, was a relative unknown coming out of out of
26:52
high school. He shot up in height, went from
26:55
being a guard to being a forward.
26:57
So he had the handle of a guard and we know he became an all
27:01
defensive player. He's all NBA player was one of
27:03
the top 50 players back when they did it in the 90s.
27:07
I wouldn't say his top 5 now but he's definitely way close to
27:11
that. He's maybe he's in The Fringe.
27:12
I'm speed. I don't know.
27:13
Maybe we could talk about that, will probably say he's higher
27:15
than that. But he's close, right?
27:18
He's close. What do you say, see this guy?
27:22
Could he be the Pippin to Shay's Jordan sweetie?
27:27
If he scores to the higher volume?
27:29
Because I don't think we were thinking him I'd ever was like
27:32
the super high scoring type because he did everything else
27:35
so fundamentally well and the Thunder have built enough depth
27:38
where there's not like you don't really have to force anyone to
27:41
be a second score like you've seen with these other these
27:44
other teams that have won championships recently like like
27:47
take a team like the Milwaukee Bucks.
27:49
Like if Chris Middleton or Drew holiday wasn't good enough as a
27:52
second score or like do they win the championship with Giannis
27:55
being the number one guy? If Jamal Murray doesn't score
27:59
enough is the second score with the Nuggets, just do they win an
28:02
NBA title that same way or even have the playoff success.
28:05
They have like if he does that consistently enough with his
28:08
defensive prowess and his well-rounded game?
28:11
Yes, it's possible to get to that level.
28:13
I don't think. Okay, see though is built to
28:15
rely on that right now and it's not really a question that we
28:18
have to impulsively have Because right now they're up three to
28:21
two and if Jalen Williams has a letdown spot as long as somebody
28:26
else steps up in that role, then you're not going to think of.
28:28
All right, is Jalen Williams and going to be another number two,
28:32
option that could be a Scottie Pippen type long term or even
28:36
just to compare it in this generation.
28:38
One of those Superstar players and this generation.
28:40
But really, that's kind of what we talked about.
28:42
It's like those second half guys, other than the superstars
28:46
stepping up and and getting in that realm.
28:50
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. How over, how often do you have
28:53
a team? That's this well-built where you
28:55
don't have to rely on that obvious second guy.
28:57
And that's where I think right now.
28:59
I think you could definitely do that with Jalen Williams Because
29:02
chat holder. And it took a little while for
29:04
him to get going in this series offensively.
29:06
And I think Jalen Williams has kept them even in the game.
29:10
Was they were struggling and game.
29:11
Three captain in those games with his scoring prowess and hit
29:15
the way he's played, defense is always been great.
29:17
So I got I just don't think. Okay, see that's Always the
29:20
cliche with NBA NBA fans want to say, oh, whose team is it?
29:24
Is it this guy? What it's gonna take over a game
29:26
I don't think. Okay, see is felt like that like
29:28
I think you're now seeing I think probably I wouldn't say
29:33
that I went to the nuggets are like that, but the Celtics last
29:37
year and then the Thunder this year, like, they have so many
29:40
different options and ways to win.
29:42
You can go to and she's taking over the playoffs.
29:46
No doubt. Like he's the best player, but
29:48
like him rotating a second. Option is still a really good
29:52
thing for any team to have to be able to game plan.
29:54
Again, it's really hard to do. And so if Jalen Williams does
29:58
take over the scoring from that volume perspective to another
30:00
level, yeah, you're probably on the something with that fish,
30:03
but right now. Okay, see, doesn't need to do
30:06
that because they have so many other guys that they can go to.
30:09
You know, when I think of it been I don't think a scoring
30:12
really I think of secondary scoring but defense, right?
30:16
And just locked down defense and then just being the perfect
30:20
facilitator of the ball to do. Exactly what's supposed to be
30:23
right on the play. Jalen Williams is playing like
30:25
that. It's hard to say.
30:26
He's not playing like that. Now obviously he doesn't have
30:29
the same like length that had been had perhaps, he might be a
30:33
little bit better ball. Handled might be a little bit
30:34
better, you know, with some of those offensive moves.
30:37
I mean he has that Jalen Brunson turn around, you know, I love
30:40
watching that. You know, that makes me very
30:42
reminiscent of Brunson. Makes me wonder what he would
30:45
have done in this series, but alas, that's not going to be
30:47
something we can answer. Well, but fish fish to your
30:51
point, too. It's like when you have that,
30:55
Basically I mean for lack of a better term like in your back
30:59
pocket that he can he can do those things.
31:03
Yeah, I agree. He's he's not as long as we've
31:06
been and he didn't. I wouldn't say didn't score like
31:11
Pippen, but he didn't defend like pivot. if you have, Yeah,
31:16
very few have and there's been very few that have been a Jordan
31:21
and Pippen in the aspect of what they do.
31:23
And I I love, I love a reference that they did when they were
31:29
getting Tony Cuoco. and they win played him and he was like I got
31:34
him first half, you got him, second half and Tony, cougar
31:37
scored seven points, And there's like, this is what I'm gonna do.
31:42
I just think with with this team, too, I think they, They
31:49
have scores. And they have a little bit of
31:52
links not necessarily as as much as the others. but I think
31:58
they're going to I would love to see a game seven.
32:02
Don't get me wrong. I love, I love elimination
32:05
games. I love, I love.
32:07
Hey, and all Meats, all games. I love those, I love them, but
32:11
you know what's gonna happen? I know we know what's gonna
32:15
happen is. I'm not pretending that this
32:17
game's gonna be closed. They're gonna hunt Halliburton,
32:20
every series, every possession, rather down the court, every
32:25
single one. They're going after him on
32:27
defense. It doesn't matter if he makes a
32:30
single well, so do you think too at this point too?
32:34
Now, you got a TJ McConnell that's gonna Step Up have to,
32:38
you're gonna need you at the end.
32:42
Those speedy and game five, right?
32:43
It was closed in game five. It was a it was a one possession
32:46
game with about eight minutes left, right?
32:49
What happens? They give the ball more than
32:52
them hard. And then hard.
32:56
Look, I like the defense, like he played really good defense on
32:59
Jalen Brunson, but in that next series as well, he is a butcher
33:03
on the offensive side. He cannot have him as a
33:05
ball-handler and decision maker. It's like when the Knicks use
33:09
miles McBride as a point guard. Yeah.
33:12
He just sometimes dribbles in the traffic and throws the ball
33:15
away. And against OKC, they murdered
33:18
them. At the end of the fourth
33:19
quarter, we already watched the highlights.
33:21
That was all in the fourth quarter, back to back to back to
33:24
back Place. Basically, not exactly.
33:26
But within like three minutes it was devastating and it was just
33:29
bad offensive, basketball. And that's why they need
33:32
Halliburton and to make those correct decisions and then hard
33:36
really shouldn't be in charge of that, much of the offense.
33:38
I think, you know, look, Carlisle is a masterful coach
33:42
Maybe the best coach in the NBA this year.
33:45
The way that he's coached in the playoffs.
33:47
It's hard to argue. He's not right?
33:49
You know, I don't think that you can say anything about what he
33:52
did. Again, let's just face who won
33:57
the coach of the year Cleveland Kenny Atkinson.
34:00
Shut them down right away. Got Tom Tibet over loses job.
34:04
He was out coach so badly. I mean, think about that for a
34:08
second. How good of a coaching job?
34:09
He's done. maybe he has something for him this game, but
34:12
if they don't have Halliburton in full speed, they're going to
34:16
I don't I don't think he's gonna be full speed anyways if you if
34:20
you get him like listening to, you know, all the analysts,
34:25
however, you want to say it, if you get them at 80% Then he's
34:31
got to play, right? And who knows how bad it is.
34:36
Like I know with like we play through injuries and and we've
34:39
talked about this before, it's like when you get to this point,
34:41
it's like you got to play through.
34:43
You got to play through some stuff, right?
34:46
But if it's that bad, how like, how many minutes is he gonna
34:51
get? Is he gonna try play?
34:51
Is he gonna be productive or not?
34:53
And what type of role will he be in?
34:55
Is the other question like, what is I agree?
34:58
What is I agree? Obviously, obviously, he's gonna
35:00
play and not be used as a decoy. It's not gonna be thought of
35:03
that way. It's just gonna be, is he going
35:04
to be more of a space and guy to create shots for others?
35:08
And that's why I'm saying, two of those random bench players
35:12
for Indiana, whether it's the combination of Obi top and like,
35:15
you were saying, Java McConnell, and a nice game.
35:17
Five. Is it the combination of nem,
35:19
heart and Nesmith? Bouncing back?
35:21
Is it Obi topping playing like he did in game one?
35:24
Like, which you can't even at least two out of those five
35:27
players to be dynamic. They got, they got options.
35:31
So, right like that Speedy, we've already seen him do it in
35:38
a series, getting in the Eastern Conference Finals, most valuable
35:41
player saieko, is able to get over 40 points on his own, he
35:46
can He is that good and he's been good at times in this
35:49
series. He is their best player after
35:53
Halliburton. Let's face it, he is their next
35:55
best player. It's time just like Jalen
35:57
Williams stepped up for OKC that the next best player on
36:00
Indianapolis or Indiana. Rather has to step up.
36:03
Yeah he just has to or else they have no chance and I think
36:07
siakam will do as best. I bet he has a good game but
36:09
without without Halliburton, he's going to have to make all
36:13
like the Gretzky assists tonight, you know, like kind of
36:15
like what we're saying Pippen, did you know where he's making
36:17
the past to set up the open shot?
36:19
You know, it's not that he's the he's doing the direct assist,
36:22
he's reversible the right way to get there to be a easy decision
36:26
for the next guy to get the right basket.
36:28
Other shot or pass. And if he can do that they can
36:31
get by with it but they're going to need someone else to handle
36:33
the ball because he's going to get hounded full court.
36:36
And was so, so fish, how much do you think?
36:40
You've relied on Howard and all this time.
36:43
He got to put them all. How much can't you have?
36:46
You can't make him the point guard, you know, as the I mean
36:49
look, you can play a map point guard, but he shouldn't be
36:52
carrying the ball up. He really shouldn't you may want
36:55
to. So you're trying to lessen his
36:58
load on I just think. Okay.
37:00
She's too smart and they're just going to pressure him because
37:03
that leg is gonna give. He's not healthy.
37:05
We know he's not healthy and everybody knows a calf injury.
37:09
That just makes you vulnerable for other injuries.
37:12
That's the big problem with the calf entry.
37:14
And look how many times have we seen someone with a bad calf or
37:18
hurt their calf? And then they keep playing on
37:20
it, and then their Achilles goes.
37:21
Then it just happened to Jason Tatum Didn't it just happen to
37:26
him, one of the five to seven best players in basketball.
37:29
And that's what the airplane for a year.
37:31
So, but, but how do you, how do you manage that load, though?
37:34
I mean it's game six of the fine, the other, the other
37:37
thing, the other thing, this is the one way you can do it and
37:39
you saw them dominate against the Knicks at the end of that
37:42
series. And you saw it even when they
37:44
came back in game one is the transition points.
37:46
Maybe they just got to start with that type of methodology
37:49
whenever you get a rebound have everyone else be ready to run
37:52
into that quickly? So you don't have to rely on
37:54
Halliburton handling the ball, like a traditional point guard
37:57
would and that's the Pacers mindset.
38:00
They're trying to play Fast of the fourth, fastest offensive
38:03
team and obviously they're one of the top 10 offenses in the
38:06
NBA during the regular season because of that and they took it
38:08
to another level in the playoffs as a result when Cleveland and
38:12
the Knicks, both tried to play those types of half court
38:16
defense is they couldn't because they had to play the transition
38:18
defense back that way and exposed badly the next half,
38:22
court defense and perimeter defense specialty.
38:24
And then Anything against the Cavs, they were making a lot of
38:27
tough contested shots because of that.
38:29
So they have to get back to that style of play.
38:31
So, Tyreese, Halliburton doesn't get worn down, handling the
38:34
ball. As often in the beginning of the
38:36
game if he has to do it later in the game if they're down.
38:39
Yeah you gotta try something and your season's on the line.
38:41
Yeah you can make those crazy shots.
38:43
Like we saw them do against Cleveland where you bring the
38:45
ball, back off the missed free. Throw, you want to save it for
38:48
moments like that, where you're playing an inbound game, and
38:51
he's gonna have to move as much and he can still create for
38:53
himself at that point. So if it's, it's kind of be like
38:57
what we've talked about before. It's gonna be like, two halves
39:00
of the game like who either makes the adjustment or doesn't?
39:05
and how he So is he gonna be less of a force in the first
39:10
half or second half? Like I think all handling why
39:13
fishes? That's what fish is getting at
39:14
is you don't want him being worn down as a ball handler.
39:17
That's why I'm saying like if you know that you have a
39:21
one-on-one match up with the shooter on the defensive side of
39:24
the ball and you're an off the ball, the fender start running.
39:27
Like okay, it makes the shot, he makes the shot find but start
39:29
running and trust your big men to be able to get those rebounds
39:33
trust Myles. Turner trust siakam trust, guys,
39:36
like Thomas. Brian Off the Bench.
39:37
To get those rebounds if you need to and start pushing
39:40
quickly, get a guy in an outlet pass where you're passing half
39:44
court within a second or two after the guy gets the rebound,
39:49
Well, you know, as far as Halliburton goes, he's really
39:53
the most important player in the entire playoffs.
39:57
The what he's been able to do has been absolutely remarkable.
40:00
We got to give him his flowers a little bit because I do think
40:03
they're going to get blown out tonight.
40:04
I don't think this is going to be a close game.
40:06
I actually am super excited to see the Pacers fans suffer the
40:10
way that we had the suffer at their hands a little bit, a
40:12
little bit, a little bit Speedy, I'm a little malicious here,
40:15
there's a great run. If Carlisle comes up with a way
40:19
to stop it. I mean, power to him.
40:21
I really just don't see it of Jalen Williams is going to be
40:24
that good as the secondary score.
40:25
I don't know what answer you have?
40:27
You can't stop both of those guys.
40:29
You don't have enough horses to do it.
40:31
You're going to need a superhuman effort from SEO and
40:34
you need, you're gonna need like Halliburton to turn into like
40:37
Willis Reed or some shit like that.
40:38
It's gonna be something like miraculous, but we've seen
40:42
Miracles this postseason from from the Pacers.
40:45
You never know. That's why they play the games,
40:47
right? So let's Let's see the game.
40:50
You know, we're gonna be able to recap it next week and Ariel
40:53
gets back and That's how we got. It's time to talk about the
40:57
other major finals hockey and that one's over boys.
41:01
The Florida Panthers win the Stanley Cup and go back to back
41:06
as Champs the Panthers beat the Oilers 5 to 1 in Game 6 of the
41:10
Stanley Cup to win their back-to-back champions
41:13
championship Sam. Reinhart scored four goals in
41:16
the game, the most in the Stanley Cup clinching game since
41:18
1922 that's 103 years. Sam Bennett.
41:23
Won the Khan Smythe scoring 15 goals in the NHL playoffs,
41:27
including five in the Stanley Cup.
41:28
Brad Marshall had six in the Stanley Cup.
41:31
Most, by any player since Satan, in with the Oilers in 1988, I
41:35
think Satan. At that point, his career had
41:37
about 11 as well, and therefore, Stanley Cup wins.
41:41
The Panthers, outscored the Oilers 21 to 8, 6 of the last 10
41:46
Stanley Cups. Have now been won by teams going
41:48
back to back with the Penguins doing in 2016 and 2017 the
41:51
lightning in 21. Now the Panthers these last two
41:55
years, a Canadian team has not won the Stanley Cup now for 32
41:59
seasons, my, oh, my This game went exactly how we set it was
42:06
going to go Speedy. We came on talked about how game
42:10
5 went, it felt like all the momentum, had gone to the
42:15
Panthers and the biggest reason was goaltending We went back to
42:20
Stuart Skinner in game six. Wasn't it?
42:24
Just wasn't it? He did not have, you can't just
42:28
snap out of a funk. Against any team.
42:31
Look. Some teams are slump Breakers.
42:33
We know this you're going to be able to in a regular season.
42:37
You have a bad stretch for a little bit and then you go and
42:40
you play the San Jose Sharks and you get back into it.
42:44
You know, that's team. Snug the cat.
42:48
Oh yeah. Oh, you can come in and tell us
42:50
all about Joe Thornton's, great career or something like that.
42:53
But if you want to call in, I think we are going to try to
42:56
have callers Speedy. I, at some point, we need to
42:59
figure out a good system. You're going to have to go on
43:01
stream, yard with audio only, I think Speedy.
43:04
If we can get a guy like snug the cat, a tremendous fan of the
43:08
show and guests, who would be wonderful for you to talk about
43:11
the five good players to San Jose Sharks have ever had.
43:14
Now, let's move on to this year's great team and again, the
43:20
Florida Panthers Ryan Hart had some words about the Buffalo
43:24
Sabers after the game speed down.
43:27
If you notice that I went to college in Buffalo and look as
43:30
as endearing as the Buffalo Bills fans are in football is
43:35
just obnoxious as the same. People are about hockey.
43:37
I have to tell you, I did not enjoy the Sabers fans all that
43:41
much but the sabers They kind of treated Sam Reinhart.
43:45
Pretty disrespectful. Speedy.
43:48
I think you need to give me a little bit more of a history
43:50
lesson about that whole breakup after he was drafted.
43:54
Second overall, was supposed to be the future of the franchise,
43:56
a couple of those in Buffalo history.
43:58
Yeah, I was gonna say there's a, there's a list of the that goes
44:00
that goes way back and I mean there's a certain Jack eichel
44:04
that I remember that also had that title also was a second
44:06
overall pick. Yeah.
44:07
And they gave away both of those guys.
44:11
And again, it got ugly really badly and with the ownership,
44:15
and with the front off office, I forget the GM's name at the
44:18
time, but they, they let it drag on for a while.
44:21
Sam Reinhart, really felt. He was just that badly
44:23
disrespected and buffaloes. Had this track record with these
44:27
top 10 picks for a while where these guys have not developed
44:30
their, as a result and they're resorting to these one for one
44:33
player swaps as well. And one of the things I was
44:37
bringing up to yesterday when we were talking was like that There
44:41
were a lot of analysts and coaches there that were taking
44:44
shots at him when he, when he left and first year with Florida
44:47
in 2021 right off the short season.
44:48
So, a lot of people weren't great yet, it was off of there
44:52
was a two-month break or something after the 56 Game
44:55
season and a lot of guys are Rusty at the beginning of the
44:57
year. Oh six games, he has no point.
44:59
So all of a sudden know this contract's gonna be a bus for
45:01
Florida and yeah, that analysts certainly eating his words.
45:06
I don't want to say any names. I, we have, we've had one on the
45:10
show that I'm actually trying to get up back on the show as well.
45:13
Rob Ray. Oh well, we can, we can make his
45:15
heed his words when we talk no know what it wasn't it wasn't.
45:18
It wasn't robbed but You might get robbed, Ray, Rob lay.
45:22
He's been on a few times. It's not a while.
45:24
Yeah, he is a buffalo Legend. When I was in college there, I
45:27
went to University of Buffalo many years ago now, but there
45:30
was a bar, I used to go to the best wings I've ever had.
45:33
I think they're called the Amherst Ale House is Crown Royal
45:36
Barbecue Wings. Oh, they were like Char pit
45:39
broiled. It's just the best wings ever.
45:41
He his like Jersey, it was up over their pictures of him
45:46
there. Like he's like this celebrity in
45:48
Buffalo so it's just just like they really love their hockey
45:51
there. They love their bills but they
45:52
really love their savours I yeah, I love it.
45:55
I love to try to get him on again.
45:56
I last month. He said he was interested.
45:58
I haven't heard from him since but yeah I don't think he's ever
46:00
been on with you but he's on with us a couple times in the
46:03
past. And yeah, definitely would like
46:05
to get him back on, but whoever the analyst wants that.
46:07
What I just hope I get, it wasn't him but I maybe you know
46:10
so I don't want to throw them under the bus too badly the
46:12
Sabers. But nevertheless like yeah
46:14
that's how toxic it was and that's how toxic these teams can
46:17
be and it just like, there's a reason, bad team say bad
46:20
sometimes for a while, and buffalo has the longest active
46:24
playoff drought among any. NHL team.
46:27
I think the second longest in all pro sports after the Jets
46:29
and like there's a reason for that and they've had so many
46:33
good players. Good prospects that have come
46:36
into their system and not develop as well as they should.
46:39
Darlene has been the one bright spot and to teach Thompson since
46:42
they traded for him from Saint Louis.
46:44
When he's been healthy, he's been great, but they just can't
46:47
build a team that way. And then on the other side,
46:49
Florida, try to different philosophy where they were
46:52
talented for years. They were making the playoffs
46:55
pretty consistently, probably the last decade or so.
46:57
I think they had one, they had one dot, I think 2018 or 2019
47:02
where they missed the playoffs. Ever since ever since then,
47:06
they've been consistently in it, but they never win playoffs.
47:08
They never won Playoff series even their president's trophy
47:10
year, they end up losing to the lightning lightning or very
47:13
talented team at the time. Fine.
47:14
But this is an identity that needed guys like Sam, Ryan Hart
47:19
to change it and its position versatility among Center's
47:23
playing wing and Wings playing Center and vice versa.
47:25
And it makes it very tough on opposing team to be able to do
47:29
that. And again, Edmonton was one of
47:31
those teams that I thought had enough when it came to the
47:35
Bigger Wingers when it came to the center, definitely have
47:37
that. Maybe they could expose it this
47:39
time. It did not make a difference
47:41
when it came to Rinehart finally getting it going at the end of
47:43
that series Bennett getting it going you on the constant knife
47:46
for a reason and actually Bennett played very well even
47:49
before he was traded to Florida from Calgary against Edmonton,
47:51
like it was a something that's a thorn in their side against that
47:55
core. So they knew how to build that
47:57
kind of team to counter what the other.
47:59
Obviously, I don't think any expected to play Edmonton back
48:01
to back, but those other teams in the west that had the center
48:04
depth Vegas, couldn't they beat Vegas had trouble or they had
48:07
trouble with Vegas, the first year, but they were eight seed.
48:09
That's just been getting the cop was that spark and it was just a
48:13
Wandering of. Can they keep it going to get it
48:15
back because we've seen it with, okay?
48:16
The king's when they won the Stanley Cup, they were in eighth
48:19
seed. They got back two years later
48:20
and obviously beat the Rangers unfortunately.
48:22
Then we also saw on the other end Nashville.
48:24
They wanted as an HC, got to the cuff and fell off after that.
48:28
So, you don't know which perspective it was going on with
48:30
Florida, but now you're building a sustainable.
48:33
Core with that group, that wants to stay there and defensive
48:38
system. That's rotate around all these
48:39
different guys. A black and obviously forcing of
48:43
the core. But they've rotated in now, Nate
48:46
Schmidt and Seth Jones. And last year, they had a lot of
48:49
other veteran guys that they brought in, they wrote all the
48:54
system has just worked really well to get that kind of system
48:57
to work with Florida. And it starts with Sam Reinhart,
48:59
like you saying, getting those guys Chuck buying in when they
49:02
traded for him at the time from the Flames, just guys, that
49:05
really have an extra postseason style of game to them and it's
49:10
bold, one teams do this. But in hockey you need to do it
49:12
the way they're Florida. Is doing it and a lot of these
49:14
other teams have not recovered from it and have not learned
49:16
from it. Let's talk about the captain of
49:19
the team a little bit, right? We got to talk about barf,
49:22
barkov selkie Trophy winner, right?
49:24
The guy is the best defensive forward.
49:27
We saw the beginning of the series, he was having a lot of
49:30
trouble getting. I mean we did save your tears.
49:32
I took bar called and he had negative points in the first
49:34
three games for me. And the cost me, my saved, my
49:36
last, save our tears. We can't really do.
49:39
Save your tears with baseball guys.
49:41
We're gonna try to figure out a way to bring it back.
49:43
We might have to wait for football season, but it's been a
49:46
lot of fun with it. Maybe if I could figure out a
49:47
way to do a baseball, we'll do it.
49:49
But we'll meet, you will Workshop that one but barkov
49:53
last game in the series to assist plus three by the end of
49:57
the series. That guy.
50:00
Just wears you down, even when he's playing against literally
50:03
the best players in the world. He finds a way to be a plus
50:06
player. He finds a way to get on the
50:08
board and he finds a way to shut you down because if you look at
50:12
the Euler stats and this last game, what did we get out of
50:15
McDavid minus 4? MC David was a minus 4 in this
50:21
game. Corey Perry.
50:23
Ageless Wonder minus 4. Now is 50 Stanley Cup losing
50:27
team in the last six years. True, including the last guy
50:31
title minus 4. I just named two of the greatest
50:34
players in the league and someone who's I mean, Corey
50:39
Perry Hall of Famers. I would put a man, I could see
50:41
why people arguing against him. I would put it, he has some
50:45
personal stuff, but, you know, as far as like, on the ice,
50:48
he's, his stats are right up there, right?
50:50
So it's there, that's how good they are, and they got shut down
50:54
by the seam. So now, if we were to, like,
50:56
even just bringing up Ryan art because of the great game, but
51:00
What he even be like, what if you were to rank the top players
51:04
on this Florida team? Is he in the top five?
51:07
Is he five? Yeah, that's a that's a good
51:10
problem to have. Basically, that that's the thing
51:12
about this Florida team. Yeah, this is one of the most
51:14
stacked hockey teams I've ever. Yeah, one of the one of one of
51:17
the things that I think this year that Because during the
51:21
eastern part of the playoffs, they dominated too serious and
51:25
five games, but even the Tampa games were very close to that
51:28
time the defense for Florida. It didn't seem like they were as
51:31
good this year. So like, oh, they actually gonna
51:33
do it again. A lot of people were picking
51:36
Carolina over Florida. They ended up being the betting
51:39
favorites, at one point, which was never made sense to me.
51:40
Because this is the worst year for the Metropolitan Division.
51:43
I think since the division three lined.
51:45
So they had like a cakewalk to the Eastern Conference Finals
51:48
where his Florida had to play Tampa Toronto, this was the best
51:51
year Toronto. I think.
51:52
Well, rounded team on paper, I think they would have went to
51:55
the cup if they beat Florida. But obviously in classic Maple
51:57
Leaf, fashion. They blow it in game seven and
52:00
got absolutely steamrolled. Louisa to nothing lead in game 3
52:04
and fell off a cliff after that. But What it was was the West.
52:08
I thought overall was a conference was just so much
52:11
better. That was Florida.
52:13
Ready for that level of competition, Edmonton
52:15
steamrolled, Dallas and steamrolled Vegas, two really
52:18
good teams in five games and look like oh is this the team
52:22
have had to come back prowess because Florida?
52:24
What were saying last year, this is a great team in playing ahead
52:27
and they have so many different players that could play into
52:31
that role. But like you're saying is Ryan
52:33
heart, the fifth best player, six best player.
52:35
It's a good problem to have. Maybe he is like ekblad when
52:39
he's healthy, probably is better but he's not 100% healthy.
52:42
And then you're looking at not adding more sand, I think
52:45
Bartlett, let's go through. I got a list of them.
52:47
So Markov call, like you said with his denims, Could chuck.
52:51
Marsh. And Forsling.
52:56
Seth Jones had an amazing playoffs.
53:00
Yep. For the record.
53:01
Yeah. And throw that out for sling
53:02
around. Forsling is one that doesn't get
53:04
as much attention because he's like a stay at home defensive
53:07
guy but he's very good. He's, you know what, he he's
53:10
just, he moves the puck. Well, and he has never had a
53:14
position and he's physical. And he's like the perfect guy to
53:18
pair with an offensive defenseman.
53:20
Correct. He is he's the guy that the
53:22
Rangers of needed forever like to play with Adam Fox.
53:26
Like this is the type of guy. A guy like force link that you
53:30
want. He's just always there like a
53:32
rock. But also can set people up very
53:35
well, you know, it's not like, it's hard to find those guys
53:38
with it that much skating ability anymore because a lot of
53:42
those guys are trying to be used as an offensive guy now to like
53:45
Fox. Not the fox is defense is bad,
53:47
but if you were to consider top 10 top 15 defensive defenseman,
53:51
I don't think we're putting fox in that list just on defense
53:54
alone. They they guess it's a lot of
53:56
those guys with Theodore with White Cloud Florida has with
54:00
forcing. I think you don't really have a
54:02
lot of those guys that are just defensive skaters.
54:05
It's just due to that very well. Dallas is a lot of them on their
54:08
roster. That's why I was picking in the
54:10
way at all. Like I thought they had enough.
54:11
Like I'm curious if they were to play if they would have made a
54:14
difference, I don't know. But nevertheless Florida has all
54:17
those guys that could play their roles really well.
54:19
And all the forwards, the top five forwards don't have to play
54:23
one style barkov when he was struggling on offense passed the
54:27
puck a lot more. Marcia.
54:29
Got these skated. I got the space, got the
54:31
skating. He scored a bunch of goals of
54:33
the results. I wasn't sure if he could, but
54:34
he didn't make it work and like you're saying could chuck could
54:37
play other roles. He had the two goals in the one
54:39
game but he can play other roles.
54:41
That's the team. You want to have people to build
54:43
a well-rounded forward identity. That I don't think we've seen
54:46
from that much versatility, in a long time.
54:48
It's always say, you build with three centers and you could make
54:52
the wings work later. You have a good enough.
54:54
I mean, we didn't even mention speedy lundell and verhage.
54:58
I like London a lot. So, yep.
54:59
Tells a really, really excellent player. and he is, I mean, He
55:06
would play. Second line at worst.
55:09
I'm pretty much every team. Yep.
55:13
They don't need him to. That they're incredible.
55:15
I it's just amazing to me. I mean they've been there fourth
55:19
line, guys. You got a guy like lucarian.
55:22
You know, he just, I mean, from another one, for Buffalo,
55:25
sounded out another one for Buffalo, gotta love it.
55:29
What a shocker, right? It's amazing.
55:32
How Buffalo just can't get it done.
55:34
They're just like so impatient. They just they love their hockey
55:38
so much. It gets in the way as the only
55:41
thing I can attribute it to because as passion as they are
55:44
and I know how passionate about Buffalo fans are.
55:46
And if I had to say there was a second team that I would root
55:49
for in football it would be the bills is there AFC and they
55:53
don't play them all that off. And but I mean I really don't
55:56
have one team my roof for it. But I do like Buffalo because I
55:58
went to school there and I do appreciate their fans, they're
56:01
nuts, but they're all. So not so nuts.
56:03
In a smart hip hop, Unfortunately, they are really
56:07
struggling up there and now their guys are winning cup after
56:09
cup. That they should have held on
56:11
to. It's just embarrassing.
56:13
Yeah, you got Jack. I go with Vegas and then no Ryan
56:18
heart and listening. That's the last two years. all
56:23
right, so it looks like I may have forgotten to put up a
56:30
graphic. For the next one.
56:34
So I'm going to work on that Speedy.
56:35
I want you to tell me what while I'm fixing this out.
56:39
Last thing about hockey We have the Panthers with the
56:44
back-to-back, we have the lightning with the back-to-back.
56:47
We have To try to go to other. There's the Penguins who've done
56:50
it now, back to back twice since the 90s, right?
56:53
Yep the Penguins did it back to back and I think Detroit did it
56:56
back to back in the late 90s. I'm pretty sure late 90s.
56:59
Okay. Where are we ranking?
57:03
This Florida Panthers team in the in the pantheon and do they
57:06
have the ability to bring it back because, you know, you're
57:08
not going to Marsha next year, right?
57:10
He's going to be a free agent and they already fit them in
57:14
with the cap to in the, yeah, I think they're gonna prioritize
57:16
trying to pay Bennett first and I think they'll find a way.
57:19
But yeah, Marcia is going to be a little tougher for them to
57:22
hold. It's interesting though because
57:24
I think Tampa's Raw Talent was really good like their front end
57:29
Talent the system that they played offensively was so
57:33
creative. And then obviously the Detroit,
57:35
I think the Detroit team of the 90s, like, I think that talent
57:39
wise probably is the best one of those five teams are you listed.
57:41
Pittsburgh was kind of like a star and like you feel some guys
57:45
in type teams. That's what I was describing.
57:46
I don't think they were as overly talented as Tampa or
57:48
Florida or Detroit but they made it work officially with the
57:52
back-to-back in 16 and 717 and the Penguins of the 90s.
57:55
I had a lot of talent so they were just a little older.
57:57
What I think Florida is different with is the style that
58:01
they do it at That's why I think other guys can be adaptable to
58:06
come into the system a lot more. Which I don't think you can
58:10
necessarily say with all those other teams definitively, how
58:13
many like after the Penguins won the back-to-back cups, they
58:15
tried that kind of philosophy for three more years and
58:17
couldn't get anything to work in that system.
58:19
After Kessel retired, they tried to bring a Ricardo's a good
58:23
player, but they really didn't haven't had much besides that
58:25
and Tampa recently. They've tried good traded line
58:30
Acquisitions have been nice players, but it hasn't worked as
58:32
well for them in the playoffs where I think the Florida.
58:34
You bring in Niko mikkola Nate Schmidt and that defensive
58:38
system on offense. You fill in these very Wingers
58:42
and these hybrid forwards and it just works for them in a system
58:46
that I think can be sustainable. You can't have the same players
58:48
doing it all the time because they'll get worn out of
58:50
eventually. But it's a system that
58:53
definitely has a lot better of a chance to still stay strong
58:56
because of the way that they can fill versatile players in the
59:00
system. That's why I think the talent
59:03
wise Advantage goes to the lightning, but I think the
59:06
postseason identity wise you could see, Florida surpassing
59:09
that Look the Panthers have a chance to do something that has
59:13
not been done. Has it ever been done?
59:15
Speedy was just the Canadians, like, way back in the day.
59:18
Where is a three-peat? It was well, the Islanders did
59:22
for all right, I'm into the Edmund Edmonton, did three.
59:25
I mentioned to three in a row and I think they did five
59:29
assists. So I so that's what it was.
59:31
So we have since it's going back to when goalie stood up.
59:34
Yes. Is what we're saying when they
59:36
played, so we're going back to the 80s when Gretzky scored 100
59:39
goals, right, when it was a little different game.
59:44
This is this is an impressive team.
59:46
We'll see what they do in the offseason if it's me and I am
59:50
need a coach I'd want to know who's on the staff of Paul
59:55
Marie's that I can poach to put that system in with my guys.
59:59
Wherever I'm going because that, wherever, whatever team I own
1:00:04
that would be, what I would do. You want to run this system?
1:00:07
This system is being proven to be effective, playoff hockey
1:00:13
system. So, congrats to the Panthers,
1:00:17
congrats also to the bus family. The bus family is raking in the
1:00:23
money. They just sold the Lakers
1:00:25
majority States at the Lakers. They're going to hold on to 15%,
1:00:28
but they sold the Lakers for a record 10.
1:00:32
Billion dollars. Yes.
1:00:36
The doctor evil pinky because that's almost, he said about 100
1:00:40
billion or something in the movie.
1:00:41
Oh my God, ten billion dollars. Let's get into it right away.
1:00:45
The Lakers were sold for 10 billion yesterday.
1:00:47
The largest sale of a professional sports team in
1:00:51
sports history, by almost 4 billion.
1:00:54
If you could do the math, that's 40% of the higher, the bus
1:01:00
family sold the team to twg, Global CEO, Mark Walter, who had
1:01:07
a 26% stake in the Lakers already and is the majority
1:01:10
owner of the group, The Guggenheim group or whatever it
1:01:14
is. I guess this would teach a
1:01:15
bougie is In the Dodgers. So he's basically that's like
1:01:18
something World Guggenheim. I forget what the T stands for
1:01:21
Guggenheim. I think was a guy who died on
1:01:24
the Titanic, I guess. His name is still being used the
1:01:26
end. He's got a museum somewhere in
1:01:28
the city. I know that but the bus family
1:01:30
will still control. Like I said, 15% of the Lakers
1:01:32
and here's a really cool thing. Jeannie Buss will remain the
1:01:35
governor of the franchise, one League Source believes this is a
1:01:40
scary thing for the NBA because the Lakers can now be run like a
1:01:43
real business. Yes, we can get to talk about
1:01:46
the Lakers doing kind of weird stuff over the years.
1:01:48
Luka, doncic's tweeted that the bus family deserves.
1:01:51
A lot of credit for making the layers.
1:01:53
An amazing organization and welcome to La early.
1:01:55
Or this year, Lucas eligible for the four year 229 Max extension
1:02:00
that he's probably gonna take and LeBron is likely to opt in
1:02:03
to his 52.6 million dollar player option for this season.
1:02:08
Following the sale, 14, NBA teams have now changed ownership
1:02:12
since the CBA in 2 0 1 1. Jerry Buss bought the Lakers in
1:02:18
1979, the Lakers have won over 60% of their games, 11 total
1:02:23
championships. Most in the NBA in that span one
1:02:26
last thing he bought it for 67 million dollars.
1:02:31
He sent the family is selling it for 10 billion dollars.
1:02:38
I don't know. I got I don't got the ROI Joba
1:02:40
but I think I would take that that deal every single time and
1:02:44
twice on Sundays. Well, I mean it's you gotta
1:02:48
understand too like he's he's done it for so long and and just
1:02:52
the story history of what the Lakers are, and the players that
1:02:56
they've had and guys that have been there that have done
1:03:00
certain things, it's it doesn't surprise me by any means.
1:03:08
I, it's interesting to me. That he's obviously already.
1:03:16
He's a minority owner. Already and now he's like I just
1:03:21
have a buttload of money so I'm gonna I'm gonna buy it.
1:03:25
And then still let her run it, because they've done it for so
1:03:29
long. so I don't I don't honestly like, and it was
1:03:36
listening to Tim legler on the show the other day, he's like,
1:03:40
yeah, it's 10 billion reasons why they sold the team.
1:03:46
But it's just it's a weird dynamic.
1:03:48
And, and kind of what you touched on earlier too is like
1:03:53
So what is that value of Luca? What is that value of LeBron?
1:03:58
Yeah. And it's pretty high.
1:04:00
And I like, as annoying as Errol is and I hope he's listening and
1:04:08
on his cruise and doing whatever.
1:04:12
But I don't think he's very far. I'm not saying it's the LGA. but
1:04:19
I think as a very big impact on it, Because you don't have
1:04:23
people like that like Jordan when he bought the Bobcats.
1:04:27
Like you think about those things, right?
1:04:30
and so it his impact is very similar.
1:04:35
He'll never be Jordan because nobody's nobody's buying
1:04:39
LeBron's 20 years and they're not reproducing LeBron's, 20
1:04:44
years ago. You know, but they do that with
1:04:47
Jordan's. I mean George, there's only one
1:04:50
Jordan I mean this debate all the time.
1:04:53
There's only there's only one Jordan LeBron's been on a bunch
1:04:57
of teams you know, I guess he's been with the Lakers now.
1:05:00
How many years has been speaking 2018 was his first year with the
1:05:03
Lakers. So, seven years with the Lakers
1:05:05
I guess, is this going to be his?
1:05:08
So this is 7318.19 was the first year, so that would be so seven.
1:05:12
This will be a seventh year of the Lakers so yeah.
1:05:15
No, no, pretty much like seven years.
1:05:17
I said with the shortened Year. Yes, it's about seven years,
1:05:20
right? Right, right.
1:05:21
The covid year. So, if I'm a Laker fan, I'm
1:05:27
jacked up because now The bus family, you always were worried
1:05:32
that they were going to do something really stupid.
1:05:34
You just were because they always fought each other for
1:05:37
control for years like who was going to have more say and you
1:05:41
could always tell Genie was getting frustrated with her
1:05:43
brothers and that there was sometimes that you know one of
1:05:46
the brothers had the year of Rob Blanca but over time it seems to
1:05:51
settle that Genie's in charge and running the day-to-day and
1:05:57
Mark Walter decided we're going to keep you doing that.
1:05:59
For instance, in the contract or the thing that I read, I guess
1:06:02
not contract. The thing that we read was about
1:06:04
for the foreseeable future for a number of years, Jeanne buses is
1:06:07
going to stay running the Lakers I guess is the president of the
1:06:11
Lakers I guess of operations or whatever it is.
1:06:14
That's I'm sure we'll get a cool title from them at some point
1:06:17
soon in the news Presser If you're an LA fan, don't you have
1:06:23
Blind Faith in Walter at this point.
1:06:26
This is the guy that brought shohei ohtani.
1:06:29
Over to LA. That made that didn't even need
1:06:33
a healthy show. Hey, ohtani to embarrass the
1:06:35
Yankees in the World Series last year.
1:06:38
That I would argue should be the prohibitive favorites again,
1:06:41
even though they're suffering, more injuries to their pitching
1:06:44
than anyone else. It doesn't matter.
1:06:45
They have more money. They still have guys will come
1:06:49
back. They're fine.
1:06:50
Snow will be back soon. They just have all these guys
1:06:54
because they have unlimited resources because their owner Is
1:06:57
putting. Money.
1:06:58
Where the mouth is Mister being strategic pitching position
1:07:01
players in the sixth inning to make sure they don't pitch.
1:07:03
They have any more pitching injuries.
1:07:08
I don't know if I go that far but I I do think I just think
1:07:14
the dot will look, there's some weird stuff out there but the
1:07:17
Dodgers for the most part should be looked at as the best
1:07:21
ownership group in baseball because they're putting all the
1:07:25
money and resources into their, their products, they're finding
1:07:28
creative ways to add free agents with this deferred money, Gambit
1:07:32
that they figured out before anyone else.
1:07:34
Did anyone else could have done it?
1:07:37
It was this, it was sitting on the table, they came up with it.
1:07:40
I hate that argument fish, though, because it's been
1:07:43
happening for so many years. well, they and it's like so I,
1:07:49
this is weird, but I'm thinking about like an economics lesson.
1:07:51
I want to start Java where the movie The Big Short and the
1:07:55
housing crisis that happened in, like 2008.
1:07:58
If you ever saw that movie was a great movie, Brad Pitt, Steve
1:08:01
Carell, and it was all about, like, You know.
1:08:07
Shed. I'm losing my train of thought.
1:08:08
I don't, I can't remember why I brought it.
1:08:10
No. But but no, but think about that
1:08:12
though, too, where it's like, you have Bobby and You Begin
1:08:15
paid Ken, Griffey, getting paid by the Reds.
1:08:17
He was like the third highest on their payroll.
1:08:20
You have guys that there's been plenty of contracts that have
1:08:23
done this for a long time, I'm sorry.
1:08:25
So, what I was saying is like some got, sometimes, a GM, a
1:08:28
good GM finds a loophole, you know what I mean?
1:08:30
And there were so many Loops. Is it a loophole though?
1:08:35
Or is it just a loophole in the CBA that they didn't think of,
1:08:39
but they're allowed to do it. So everybody can see ya until
1:08:43
the next CBA. If people don't want it, they're
1:08:46
gonna reject it. But guess what?
1:08:47
They're not gonna vote against it because all that does is
1:08:49
inflate people's salary's and nobody's going to be against
1:08:52
that, right? Like you'd be very silly to be
1:08:55
against that unless the owners gang up and try to lower the
1:08:57
money, they're spending for some reason.
1:08:59
I don't see how players are gonna post that ever.
1:09:03
It's weird. We see these numbers with funny
1:09:05
money and a team like the Dodgers.
1:09:07
Can stack themselves? It's a little different in the
1:09:09
NBA. It's different parameters,
1:09:11
different rules, but it's also same time.
1:09:14
You, you got to look at it, too. Like, when you have somebody
1:09:17
that signs a contract in front of you, it just sets you up to
1:09:22
be able to sign either the same contract and you have A barrier
1:09:30
of what like, I can sign for because they do that.
1:09:34
And so, it's just Jabba. Like it's If they were able to
1:09:39
think of everything, then they would have put it in the CVA.
1:09:42
Well, they know they don't think of everything because we as
1:09:46
players think of it differently they think of it as owners and
1:09:50
do it differently. So it's Speedy.
1:09:53
Let me pose it to you, you know. Think about all the different
1:09:55
coaches like a Belichick. That would do anything to get an
1:09:59
edge. This happens in business every
1:10:01
day of the week, with great businessmen and in the economy
1:10:05
in 2008 and for the decade, preceding it, people were buying
1:10:08
these, you know, like people's debt from their mortgages and
1:10:12
trading on it. And it was a loophole that
1:10:15
people were able to find ways to make lots of money.
1:10:17
Sell Bad Mortgages and whole Market crashed, that would be
1:10:20
worse case scenario for this deferred money experiment.
1:10:24
Most likely, what's going to happen is everyone's going to
1:10:26
make money in their will be some teams that can't do to deferred
1:10:29
and you're going to have a parody white and in my opinion,
1:10:32
in the league between the Haves and Have Nots even with
1:10:35
collective bargaining. I don't really care about that.
1:10:38
We get talked about the baseball stuff in other time.
1:10:39
I want to talk about If now I'm a Lakers fan, I have that guy as
1:10:44
my owner, that guy, that wants to do those things for my
1:10:48
franchise, that guy, who's going to do, whatever it takes to put
1:10:51
in winning product up there, including spend more money than
1:10:54
everyone else in the league and find loopholes to find ways to
1:10:56
spend even more money. So I can have even better
1:10:59
players in depth. You know, we just we talked
1:11:01
about the loophole, the Panthers used to add Marchand in the last
1:11:05
segment because the kucherov, I guess we call it the Couture.
1:11:09
Yeah. And now Edmonton's being
1:11:10
investigated for the same thing. Well because now you're in a
1:11:14
scene in the next CBA, they're gonna write language into it, to
1:11:16
get rid of that they have to because that's a bad Rule and
1:11:19
somebody but somebody figured it out that trying real hard and
1:11:23
you got to give him credit for coming up with it.
1:11:25
It's a loophole and it's somebody in business trying to
1:11:28
find a way around the rules or through the rules.
1:11:31
That's not necessarily illegal. I mean, Bella how many times did
1:11:34
Belichick? Try to sneak a guy onto the
1:11:36
field? You know what I mean?
1:11:37
It's John, John Harbaugh and I forget the other coach was still
1:11:42
mad about the whole offensive flight LSU football.
1:11:45
Look, he tried some stuff over the years about that Campbell's
1:11:49
accelerated. I just really appreciate people
1:11:53
like if that was my owner, I'd be pumped up.
1:11:56
I know I I just know from what I saw last year as a Yankee fan
1:12:02
That I would take back guy to run any franchise that I was
1:12:05
rooting for. That franchise is scary, they're
1:12:09
petrifying and they haven't even hit their stride.
1:12:10
And in baseball yet now, just imagine the things that they're
1:12:14
going to do. They're going to spend on role
1:12:16
players They're not going to just you know they're going to
1:12:19
have their star you know when LeBron leaves, they'll open up
1:12:21
some some money a couple years from now but they're going to
1:12:24
have Luca tied up. They're gonna build around them
1:12:27
and they're gonna find a way in Lebron.
1:12:29
Maybe he spends, speaking of Scottie Pippen, maybe he spends
1:12:33
the last couple years of his career, but look at Luke.
1:12:36
Lucas not gonna get a supermac's because of what they're at.
1:12:39
So he only gets the four years because of the trade.
1:12:42
Yes, the trade. So it's he's so young.
1:12:46
Are they, are they gonna try and like Basically, like you just
1:12:52
said, build upon him where he can get a supermax a little bit
1:12:56
later. And then build around him.
1:12:59
I don't know that answer. Obviously, I don't know exactly
1:13:03
the rules on that Speedy. I think it because he was just
1:13:06
traded to them, he can only get a four-year-old.
1:13:08
That's I don't know if he's already signed the four-year
1:13:11
deal that after that deal, that he can sign a five-year one for
1:13:14
the max. Correct.
1:13:15
I think that's how yes because he signed his deal in 2022.
1:13:19
So he had one more. He has the one more year.
1:13:22
That's why it's being talked about.
1:13:23
So Speedy, so he has to go. He has to finish that contract.
1:13:30
And then then is he eligible for the super after this year?
1:13:33
He'll be eligible for the five year deal.
1:13:36
Okay. Yeah.
1:13:37
That's the only reason it's only because of that.
1:13:40
Exactly what it is. New.
1:13:42
Team. And that's why I guess he wants
1:13:45
to be able to negotiate it now, but at the same time I think
1:13:47
Luca is also the reason he's saying I would take it is I'm
1:13:50
gonna buy into this philosophy of now.
1:13:52
We're actually gonna be run right?
1:13:53
And not have all these guys almost want to go to the Lakers
1:13:56
and maybe they dodged a bullet with some of them like Paul
1:13:59
George. But like all these guys that
1:14:01
want to go to the Lakers and then say no and you turn into
1:14:05
the Knicks West where nobody wants to go there because your
1:14:08
ownership look, we have, we have our guests waiting, but we have
1:14:12
Gary Phillips soon. Talk about the Yankees and this
1:14:14
Dodgers, you know, I know I want to talk a little about last
1:14:18
year's World Series and this Dodgers team for a little bit
1:14:20
with him as well. But before we get into that,
1:14:22
guys, this Laker team is set up. They have Luka doncic a top five
1:14:30
player in the NBA. They have LeBron James, who was
1:14:33
second Team? All NBA.
1:14:34
So technically he's still a tent, top 10 player in the NBA.
1:14:37
They are ready to win. They absolutely are now they
1:14:41
have an ownership group running them that's going to do
1:14:44
everything. They can to make that happen,
1:14:46
it's JJ Redick. The guy though, Look if he's
1:14:49
not, he'll be gone soon. I do think that if LeBron, as
1:14:54
long as LeBron's there, I have a feeling JJ will stay with them.
1:14:57
That's what I think and I think JJ is getting better as a coach.
1:15:00
You know, you don't want to judge somebody on their first
1:15:02
year. You want to see how they make
1:15:04
adjustments in their second year.
1:15:05
I think. I think he's earned that, right.
1:15:08
So I'm excited to see it. I like JJ as a player and these
1:15:12
obviously a brilliant best football mind so we'll see what
1:15:15
happens with that is definitely a unique team to coach.
1:15:18
I do think they need to figure out the role players situation
1:15:21
there. They need to get some more
1:15:22
Shooters around those guys they need to have a little bit more
1:15:24
defense better you know kind of try to get a 3D Wing in there
1:15:28
for them as well. I mean Desmond Bane isn't coming
1:15:31
but there could be some other guys out there for them.
1:15:35
But before we get into that, we got to talk about a different
1:15:37
set of basketball and talk about the wmba.
1:15:40
Oh, here we go. Here we go.
1:15:42
Yeah, something smells and todays.
1:15:46
Do so, the day you not a lot. I don't have a lot.
1:15:58
Yes, that is correct. We got Caitlin Clark for our
1:16:06
Deuce of the day, say not because of anything she did. but
1:16:09
because of how she's being treated as a player in the WNBA,
1:16:14
Look, First Team all WNBA is a rookie, there was a lot of beef.
1:16:19
We know it going on between her and Angel Reese, dating back to
1:16:23
college, it became kind of a political thing, a racial thing.
1:16:27
Well, here's the thing that I saw there was, and we're going
1:16:30
to put the clip up in a second of when she gets fouled with a
1:16:33
flagrant foul, in the most recent game they played and it
1:16:36
led to a skirmish in the WNBA fever, I believe verse to
1:16:41
Connecticut, son, I'm not mistaken, right?
1:16:44
So, basically, if you, if I don't know if we got the clip
1:16:47
yet, but it's there and what happens?
1:16:49
She's dribbling. She gets poked in the eye.
1:16:52
And she gets poked in the eye and they'll call is made and she
1:16:54
kind of bumps into the person who was guarding her and kind of
1:16:58
just shoves her briefly and then someone comes on over and throws
1:17:02
her hard to the ground. Now, here is where I'm talking
1:17:06
about my deuce today. I am not even mad at the team
1:17:09
that did that to her. I'm mad at her teammates because
1:17:13
if you watch this clip and here it is right now, she's doing.
1:17:16
She is poked in the eye kind of incidental contact.
1:17:19
She had shoved to the ground. Do you see anyone helping her?
1:17:26
Walking off by yourself. So are you?
1:17:28
Are you mad at that at the point?
1:17:30
Or I'm I'm waiting to see what's with Sophie Cunningham doing it
1:17:35
at the end of the game. Where she still?
1:17:39
was like, Hey, I'm protecting I I don't disagree with you
1:17:43
because like, at the time like I don't care if I'm not that dude.
1:17:52
But if that's my team, I don't give a shit.
1:17:56
Oh, I'm an offensive lineman. I'm gonna take care.
1:18:00
You hit my quarterback. I'm getting your going down.
1:18:02
I'm getting you. That's that's, that's the rule.
1:18:05
You cannot, it's not. It's an under what I did love
1:18:11
with Sophie Cunningham. Did I did love that but that,
1:18:15
you know, that was later after they realized they needed it was
1:18:18
saying but they they realized that and like for her because
1:18:22
like her social media presidents and what she does.
1:18:25
And like she's the She's a very, very beautiful woman. and I'm
1:18:32
like, You did it? And it wasn't even, it wasn't a
1:18:38
basketball play. It was not like she was like I'm
1:18:41
just taking your ass down. That's what I'm doing. and I I
1:18:45
appreciate that but at the same time, Why aren't you at the same
1:18:50
time when I get pushed down? Why aren't you doing the same
1:18:53
thing? Because and it stinks to me,
1:18:56
Java. It's, it's stinks to yeah.
1:18:59
Yep, it stinks. Like a deuce of the day.
1:19:04
Yes, today is Deuce of the day goes to Caitlin.
1:19:07
Clark's teammates, not to mention the people knocking her
1:19:10
down, both of them. Especially. not helping her up,
1:19:14
you protect your teammates, they need The old Rangers enforcer
1:19:19
Matt rempe, you just signed the two-year deal.
1:19:21
They need the wmba version of a matte rampy on that team.
1:19:25
We need to protect Caitlin, she needs the protection of some
1:19:30
kind of enforcer. I don't know what the equivalent
1:19:32
is of that, but get her on that Chicago fever team.
1:19:36
After these messages, we are going to get into our interview
1:19:42
with Gary Phillips from the New York daily news, Yankees beat
1:19:47
writer. But first Tommy Scoops with a
1:19:50
sports minute. This is the Java and the mouth
1:19:55
Sportsman is. Alright.
1:19:58
Alright. Alright, ladies and gentlemen,
1:20:00
here I am on camera once again for the second time.
1:20:03
This week to deliver you guys, the Java nmf Sportsman and going
1:20:07
straight into some news with the NFL Chiefs head coach.
1:20:10
Andy, Reid actually came out earlier today saying that wide
1:20:13
receiver Rasheed rice and rookie tackle, Josh Simmons will be
1:20:17
ready for their week. One matchup.
1:20:19
Now rice who actually tore his ACL in a week four matchup last
1:20:23
season. And Simmons, to actually is
1:20:25
dealing with similar knee injury ending his final year of Ohio
1:20:28
State last season reach stated earlier today, that they're both
1:20:31
ready to go. They're both actually got really
1:20:34
great work in during these camps here and although Rasheed rice,
1:20:38
who is facing felony, charges for a hit and run incident that
1:20:42
occurred. Last season, has not actually
1:20:45
faced any consequences from the team or from the NFL league on
1:20:48
its own and will not be receiving any consequences or
1:20:51
any sort of discipline for the current time being however,
1:20:54
coach Reed is very adamant that rice and Simmons will be Ready.
1:20:58
Come their week, one matchup against the Chargers a division
1:21:01
rival. Also kicking off in Brazil.
1:21:03
Now gonna be Switching gears over into the NBA basketball as
1:21:07
Rockets head coach email udoka, actually.
1:21:09
Just got a big time contract extension earlier today to
1:21:13
remain in Houston. Now, this comes straight up
1:21:15
season. After you dossier bought the
1:21:17
Rockets to a 52 and 30 record, which was their best record.
1:21:21
In six seasons as well as second best four, the Western
1:21:25
Conference just behind the current Thunder's who are in the
1:21:28
OKC Thunder who are currently in the NBA Finals.
1:21:31
Although the terms of the deal currently have not yet been
1:21:34
released ESPN Championship reported.
1:21:37
That is expected to be a long-term deal for around 8
1:21:41
figures per year, making you dope a automatically the highest
1:21:45
paid coach in the league. And finally over in Philadelphia
1:21:49
for some basketball, the Sixers are fully expected to run it
1:21:53
back with their big, three known as indeed Maxi and Paul George.
1:21:57
And I, although the You'll only play 15 games last season, going
1:22:01
out of pathetic, 7, and 8 with indeed, in George also, going
1:22:04
down for the last season leaving Philly with a 24 and 58 record
1:22:08
for 13th Place in the Eastern Conference.
1:22:11
It is also reported that the Sixers are fully behind the trio
1:22:15
to have a successful season next year.
1:22:17
And with the success that they had last year, we will see if
1:22:21
president Daryl Morey is a liar or not.
1:22:24
Now going into some scores for schools to scores currently.
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As I mentioned as the NBA Finals game 6 is underway, the Pacers
1:22:32
currently are in a good or go winner.
1:22:35
Go home situation with 1512 over the Thunder, with six minutes,
1:22:39
remaining in the first quarter, going to some baseball scores
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for you as we speak the Orioles and rays are currently tied up
1:22:46
with one a piece in the middle of the 5th.
1:22:48
Inning going into the bottom of the 5th, inning at the bottom of
1:22:51
the 5th. Inning, the Mets Embrace are
1:22:52
all. So tied up one of Peace.
1:22:54
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1:22:57
for the Pirates and Tigers who are currently tied up at 4
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1:25:38
Hey, thanks so much for having me, great to be here.
1:25:42
Java, I watched you growing up as a kid, so it's a it's a
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pleasure to be on and talking with you guys.
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Oh yeah thanks. Thanks for making me feel old
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Gary for you. I tend to do that on the beat
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with some of the older writers as well.
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Yeah, well that's okay. Well Gary, we appreciate you
1:26:03
joining us it's fact a pretty good day to have you on because
1:26:06
the Yankees just snapped, a six-game losing streak, that
1:26:09
seemingly came out of nowhere. To a lot of us fans.
1:26:12
You know the Yankees were riding High cruising at first place.
1:26:15
Everyone else in the division was kind of sit in there. 500 or
1:26:20
so. Alright, and now we're falling
1:26:23
back to the pack. There is going to be a lead out
1:26:27
of relief. We heard after the game kind of
1:26:29
singing and, you know, some playing some music in the
1:26:31
clubhouse. But where did this losing streak
1:26:33
come from? And is this something that's a
1:26:36
greater concern long term? Yeah, you know, I mean the
1:26:40
offense has just kind of disappeared for the last few
1:26:44
days, prior to today. Obviously, the wind that they
1:26:46
had over the Angels, there seemed to be some pressing over
1:26:50
the last couple days, Aaron Boone, talked about that.
1:26:52
I want to say it was Tuesday night.
1:26:54
Cody Bellinger talked about it as well.
1:26:55
So you know, I don't think it's necessarily a long-term issue.
1:27:00
You know, there's a much larger body of work prior to the past
1:27:03
week that said, this is one of the best offenses in baseball
1:27:06
after this rut, they're still the best offense in the American
1:27:09
League. If you look at run, score at
1:27:11
home, runs Ops WRC plus all that good stuff.
1:27:14
So no, I don't think it's a long-term problem or anything
1:27:17
that fans need to freak out about.
1:27:18
I do think there is a sense of Familiarity, you know, Yankees
1:27:23
fans who really pay attention to the team are going to be
1:27:26
familiar with the June Swoon that has kind of accompanied
1:27:30
Aaron Boone's teams these last few years.
1:27:32
Typically, those are stretches that are longer than a week.
1:27:36
You know, they go on several weeks maybe a couple months so
1:27:39
it's a little too early to say if that's what this is, but that
1:27:42
has been a trend, the last couple Summers with the Yankees.
1:27:46
So just something to keep an eye on if some more losses start to
1:27:49
pile up here. So one of the guys that a lot of
1:27:52
Yankee fans have attacked over the last couple weeks have been
1:27:54
Anthony Volpe, the young shortstop trying to make that
1:27:56
next step in his development, as a nice rookie year.
1:27:58
One of gold glove and he's been kind of a streaky hit her since
1:28:01
I did well in the playoffs at certain points last year,
1:28:03
though, too. But like what is the perspective
1:28:05
with him with him? Trying to take that next step as
1:28:08
a hitter and all around player? Yes.
1:28:11
So I've covered volebeats entire Major League career.
1:28:14
I still don't know how to evaluate him.
1:28:17
And we talked about this amongst ourselves on the Beats because
1:28:21
he has such high highs, where he'll be hitting well over 300
1:28:27
for two weeks period and all the sudden the powers there and
1:28:30
she's an impact on the bases. And then the lows are just
1:28:35
craters that tend to last a lot longer than the highest do.
1:28:41
And the thing with me that's always so confusing is there.
1:28:44
Never seems to be any middle ground.
1:28:46
It's never like he hit hits, you know?
1:28:48
240 250 for a couple weeks or a month, it's just Sky High or
1:28:54
cratering and it makes it hard to evaluate him as a hitter.
1:28:58
You know, if you had asked me this two weeks ago, I would have
1:29:01
said to you. Yeah, it looks like he's really
1:29:03
like figured out how to be a consistent Major League hitter
1:29:06
at the plate and now I'm back to, I don't know, I'm not I'm
1:29:10
not sure the thing with him, that's all.
1:29:12
So a little bit concerning is that, you know, over this
1:29:15
stretch where the Yankees overall are playing poorly.
1:29:17
He is kind of seemed to take a step back Fielding wise and he
1:29:21
had that error last night. He seemed to take to have taken
1:29:25
a step back on the bases as well.
1:29:26
So he's just, he's been, he confounding player.
1:29:30
I think he's a really good Fielder, even though he has had
1:29:34
some of these errors in big spots and obviously won the gold
1:29:36
glove a couple years ago as a rookie.
1:29:38
I think he's an excellent field there.
1:29:39
I think he's a valuable player, I think.
1:29:42
Maybe where the disconnect comes is that the Yankees hyped him up
1:29:47
as this future All-Star All-Star shortstop and he's just fallen
1:29:52
short of that especially at the plate.
1:29:55
Gary. It's like I've dealt with you
1:29:58
guys a lot. And I know, George King was one
1:30:02
of my favorites for the post and I've got to know a lot of you
1:30:06
guys and you get a cover of every day.
1:30:10
And one of the things. Is. that I want to get like from
1:30:16
the back side of it because yeah you get a router Write about it
1:30:21
and do all the other stuff. But like, when you come to what
1:30:27
we're talking about, Like, when you watch the game of baseball,
1:30:31
can you differ? from being a baseball and I
1:30:35
don't know if you're a baseball fan, Oh yeah.
1:30:39
So, can you differ from a baseball fan?
1:30:44
To. Now I got a because I love
1:30:47
Volbeat but at the same time it's it's hot or cold and you
1:30:52
know you see Dominguez and we got Spencer Jones and we got all
1:30:57
these other guys right? So can can you can Decon Park
1:31:04
mentalize, all that stuff, as being a fan and then riding too
1:31:08
as well, speaking broadly, when I got to college and decided I
1:31:12
was going to be a sports writer, and this is what I wanted to do,
1:31:14
they taught me there's no cheering in the Press Box.
1:31:17
And this is this, this is my first year ever, covering the
1:31:24
College World Series, as a media member, And it's weird as shit.
1:31:29
It is weird because I'm usually on the other side of the fence.
1:31:34
And Nathan love you. Thank you for taking care of all
1:31:37
that, but it's, it's weird for me because now I'm on the other
1:31:42
side of the fence. And it's like I I want to cover
1:31:46
these really cool things like because I see it differently
1:31:49
than other people. and so you not only as a sports fan that's
1:31:54
like so, Like how do you, how do you Deacon departmentalize, all
1:31:58
those things like feelings and just riding a story and and
1:32:03
covering it. For me it was a simple as
1:32:06
showing up the seat and all having no journalism experience
1:32:11
but knowing that I wanted to do it.
1:32:13
And the people that knew better said this is, this is what you
1:32:17
do. You don't cheer you don't you
1:32:19
don't pick a side you don't root and I said to myself.
1:32:22
Okay, I want to do this. I grew up a Yankee fan, I grew
1:32:25
up in New York routing for the Yankee.
1:32:26
My Dad loved that. I loved Derek Jeter growing up.
1:32:29
He was a great example and when I got to college and I started
1:32:32
covering the Seton Hall basketball team, the only thing
1:32:35
I was rooting for, you know, was good stories, good players,
1:32:40
good, dudes. You know, when it got time to
1:32:42
the for the postseason and the Big East tournament and the NCAA
1:32:45
tournament, I might have rooted for them to win but only because
1:32:48
that meant the school was going to send me somewhere and I'm
1:32:51
just gonna get to miss a couple extra classes, you know.
1:32:53
So it was it was very self-motivated and out of my own
1:32:56
personal interests and it's remained that way as I've
1:33:00
graduated, you know, as I moved on to cover in the Yankees and
1:33:03
covering professional sports. You know, I like, I like quick
1:33:06
games. I'm glad I started covering
1:33:08
baseball in the age of the pitch.
1:33:10
Clock. I root for good stories.
1:33:13
You know, you root for the good guys that you get to know
1:33:15
covering them every single day, covering them year to year, but
1:33:19
I'm really not vested in whether they win whether they do poorly.
1:33:23
I'm not looking to, you know, Create some narrative or drag
1:33:29
somebody if they need to be criticized.
1:33:31
I'll do it objectively if they need to be praised.
1:33:34
I'll do that objectively, too. So for me it's just very
1:33:37
straightforward and it started with Somebody who was older or a
1:33:42
professional and had experienced telling me, this is how you do
1:33:44
it. And I said, okay no problem.
1:33:48
Well, guys, we are joining us is Yankees beat writer for the New
1:33:51
York daily news. And with by lines versus New
1:33:54
York Times athletic, Sports Illustrated, New Jersey monthly,
1:33:56
he's Florida born in New York, raise ladies and gentlemen, Gary
1:33:59
Phillips, Gary got some more questions for you.
1:34:02
I first off, I am an unabashed Homer for the Yankees for the
1:34:07
New York Giants for the Knicks, for the Rangers.
1:34:11
And I do think there is room in this Media Sports media industry
1:34:16
for guys, like me who are objective.
1:34:19
But also at the same time, I'm just going to that's, I'm still
1:34:24
going to route for my team. I look like, I don't know if I
1:34:26
would do it, if I was in a press box.
1:34:28
But I still think that fans want to hear guys that route the same
1:34:33
way they do at times. That's why you start seeing.
1:34:36
Like there's special you know obviously you have your own
1:34:39
color guys in the regional sport of baseball that you listen to
1:34:42
and I know everybody that when I was growing up you wanted to
1:34:46
listen on the radio to John Sterling Now, I heard you had a
1:34:50
little bit of interaction with John Sterling, I do too and I
1:34:53
just wanted to ask you a little bit about your time with the
1:34:57
legend. I did see he left a quote,
1:34:58
there's a nice quote on your bio from him.
1:35:00
I just want to ask you a little bit about that.
1:35:03
So I got to know John a little bit.
1:35:06
Not nearly as much as some of the other guys who have been
1:35:08
around a lot longer than me. But over my first two years got
1:35:11
to have dinner with him. My first spring training which
1:35:14
was an incredible experience, and then when he initially
1:35:18
announced his retirement, he spent about 20 minutes on the
1:35:21
phone with me. I'm asking him lots of questions
1:35:24
about his life, you know, he's telling me it's taking too long.
1:35:26
It's taking too long. I keep telling him John, if you
1:35:31
stopped trying to convince me that this wasn't so important in
1:35:34
that nobody cared about your retirement.
1:35:36
Then we could get through all the other prepared questions
1:35:38
that I have a little bit sooner. So that's story comes out and
1:35:42
afterwards. He has a press conference at
1:35:45
Yankee Stadium on what Was supposed to be his final day.
1:35:48
He eventually came back. On for the playoffs.
1:35:50
And now he I get called on for a question and he goes this guy
1:35:56
was writing war in peace. It must have been, you know, you
1:36:00
know, hours that I was talking to him.
1:36:02
It was it was about 18 minutes. Mostly him just circling back to
1:36:07
this idea of. Why would anybody care that?
1:36:10
John Sterling is retiring, when when John knows better, but John
1:36:14
was very, very kind to me in my first two years on the beat.
1:36:19
Definitely different not having him around, but it's also great
1:36:22
getting to see Susan every day. Dave, Sims has been phenomenal
1:36:25
and a pleasure to get to know. So it different vibe, but still
1:36:30
a great Vibe as well. I actually got the chance,
1:36:33
randomly, as I coach High School football, he has triplets that
1:36:37
are in their 20s and one of them was my third string quarterback,
1:36:42
one year and I got to meet him at a football dinner shaking
1:36:44
Sanders. Wearing a Yankees ring, fully
1:36:47
dressed in the suit as if he needed to be in a suit for this
1:36:49
function and, you know, just remember.
1:36:52
John's a different dude. John's a different dude.
1:36:55
Yeah, job. I was gonna ask you if you had
1:36:57
any stories about him. Oh, I gotta hear one.
1:36:59
I'd love I. All right.
1:37:01
I'll give you. Well, I can only give some of
1:37:05
the John Sterling stories. Loved being called by John
1:37:10
Sterling. First and foremost.
1:37:12
Because he's a legend. and I was so fortunate enough to be in the
1:37:17
old stadium with Bob Sheppard to announce me, Being in LA and
1:37:22
have been Scully announced me. but, What John Sterling has done
1:37:30
and Susan. Holds my heart.
1:37:34
I love Susan. Waldman so much.
1:37:37
And they were so great about taking care of us.
1:37:42
And that's a thing that I think. Is the best memory. from them,
1:37:49
is because they knew, and, I won't get into details on this.
1:37:58
But they took a lighter from John Sterling one day, and he
1:38:02
was pissed off. I'll let you guys take that the
1:38:05
way you want to take it. But it was fantastic and I, I'm
1:38:10
just so grateful to have the opportunity.
1:38:14
To be announced by those people and they're, they're just
1:38:18
Legends in their Sports. Of what they've done.
1:38:21
And I love that guy. And like when he told me he was
1:38:26
like, yeah. I'm gonna have kids.
1:38:29
I'm like you're old as shit. Like, what are you doing?
1:38:35
like, Damn, I'm not even 40 and my son's almost 20.
1:38:39
And I'm like, oh what the hell are you doing?
1:38:43
Yeah, goodbye. He's still I mean, It means it's
1:38:47
still working. It's still working.
1:38:53
All right, Speedy. What do you got for us?
1:38:55
All right, I want to go to a guy that our host says I'm
1:38:58
interesting opinions about, it's not here this week.
1:39:00
One of the more polarizing Personalities in baseball that
1:39:03
is jazz and he's been a Yankee for about a year.
1:39:06
What is your experience has been like covering him since he's
1:39:09
gotten there? Nothing but positive things to
1:39:13
say about Jesse from a professional standpoint.
1:39:17
Where, you know, he is filling it up for us every single time
1:39:21
that we talked to him. He is not just good with me and
1:39:25
he is great with the media, always willing to talk, always
1:39:28
charismatic colorful funny, just from an observational
1:39:33
standpoint, I think he fits in great with this Yankees
1:39:36
Clubhouse. He's been nothing but a team for
1:39:39
Sky. He's changed positions for them
1:39:41
now multiple times. I don't understand the
1:39:46
reputation that came out of Miami from having covered him.
1:39:49
Now, for, almost a year, where little shy of a year at this
1:39:53
point, but I don't know if the problem in Miami was his
1:39:58
teammates, which, you know, he's talked about having some
1:40:00
personal issues with a few guys there.
1:40:01
I don't know if it was the front office.
1:40:04
I don't know what that came down to.
1:40:07
Jazz has been. Great in all facets.
1:40:10
So far as Yankee as far as just anything related to his
1:40:13
personality demeanor, fit in the clubhouse.
1:40:16
All of that here. Let me ask you to like when when
1:40:19
you bring a guy over with that personality and I've obviously,
1:40:23
you know, I was the fist bump guy and whatever one one it
1:40:28
happened. so, when you bring a guy over, That has that
1:40:34
personality. In it's it's not necessarily
1:40:40
like kind of what they are. as an organization, but you're
1:40:44
bringing guy over like how do you portray that to make sure
1:40:49
it's portrayed in the right way because Art my co-host.
1:40:57
Hey Jet Schism and it's fine, whatever.
1:41:03
I love energy. I love all of the things that
1:41:06
come with it. But how do you guys like?
1:41:13
See it because use Gossage told me is like that's not the Yankee
1:41:17
way. That's and that's a Hall of
1:41:19
Famer. Like and so, how am I supposed
1:41:21
to take that? so, For you.
1:41:25
How do you do it? Like how do you, how do you
1:41:28
portray that to make sure that we as fans?
1:41:33
See it. but then understand like They are good people or like,
1:41:40
what? I don't understand that. so, I
1:41:45
wrote about this back in spring training and the story came out
1:41:48
after the Yankees changed, their beard policy, but a lot of the
1:41:51
interviews in the work. I had done on it came before
1:41:54
they even announced that. So forget, that major change.
1:41:57
Now, I had had this idea that jazz is not your typical Yankee
1:42:02
and I'd be lying to you. If I said he was, he's not I
1:42:05
wasn't I wasn't either when it happened, right?
1:42:08
He he's not your typical Yankee and you know, I had Aaron Boone
1:42:13
and I had asked, Aaron judge, and even CC Sabathia, like have
1:42:17
things loosened up around here over the last couple years, and
1:42:22
they all agreed that they had, and part of that was, you know,
1:42:26
a little bit of, you know, intentionally moving on from
1:42:29
this, you know, where the stiff buttoned up Yankees reputation,
1:42:33
part of it was generational, things where you have younger,
1:42:37
guys, coming into the game, you have the sport and culture
1:42:40
itself changing, but then see all the really good point and he
1:42:45
was Actually talking about that 2019.
1:42:47
He was like we had Nick Swisher being Nick Swisher on that team.
1:42:52
You guys had AJ Burnett Pine people like I'm sure there were
1:42:55
people at the time who were like that's not the Yankee way,
1:42:59
that's not the way to do things. So I think it gradually changes
1:43:02
over time and one of the points I also made in that story, was
1:43:06
that Now jazz isn't the first, he might be the boldest and the
1:43:11
brightest recently, but if you just go back to do, it doesn't
1:43:13
give off typical Yankee Vibes. Marcus Stroman, doesn't get off
1:43:16
typical Yankees won. Soto, you could even argue with
1:43:20
the shuffle and the Swagger that he brought last year.
1:43:23
So I think there's been a little bit of a shift.
1:43:27
In, but we're do. You think like that like
1:43:31
transgression because when I obviously we hadn't won in a
1:43:35
long time, and it was young guys, and they brought in 09, it
1:43:42
was They called me. Up in 07 but then you get AJ you
1:43:49
get CC, you get in so it was like a different energy, right?
1:43:54
so do you think it's like it's transgressed into that like you
1:43:59
gotta have Like that piece like Boonies the winner bunnies and
1:44:04
winner. He grew up in a clubhouse he
1:44:05
knows what he's doing. like so, do you think like, It's crazy
1:44:11
because I'm like, do we have those guys right now?
1:44:16
And you see it every day and fish and I we had a conversation
1:44:19
about this about what we can ask you, because you're in the
1:44:22
clubhouse every day. Do you have the guys that are
1:44:27
those? Idiots.
1:44:29
That are sitting in. The bin getting pushed into the
1:44:34
club. And and I just we don't we don't
1:44:38
see that type of stuff. I mean they are I think this is
1:44:42
all still very relative, right? Like what we all know the New
1:44:45
York Yankees and their reputation to be, you know, same
1:44:49
way I said, like, it's gradual that we've gotten to Jazz, its
1:44:53
gradual. And like, how much the Yankees
1:44:55
have caught up, maybe to the rest of baseball and the rest
1:44:58
of, you know, just society and culture at large.
1:45:01
Now, there's not, there's not guys in our public view that
1:45:04
we're seeing riding in golf carts or, you know, going crazy
1:45:09
in the clubhouse or anything like that and they still keep it
1:45:12
kind of Under Wraps, but, but also at the same time, you know,
1:45:16
before we go in there, after wins the clubhouse turns into,
1:45:20
you know, a party room in a club with strobe lights and music,
1:45:24
sometimes the music's glassing. So there's there's definitely an
1:45:29
element of letting loose and having fun.
1:45:32
We Don't always necessarily get to see it every day, sometimes
1:45:35
we hear it. One other thing I wrote last
1:45:37
year in the playoffs was like the Yankees, have these hitters
1:45:40
meetings and those happen behind closed doors pregame every
1:45:43
single day. And, you know, they when I, when
1:45:46
I asked James or else in the hitting coach about this, he's
1:45:48
telling me like yeah, we're just going over Advanced scouting and
1:45:51
scouting reports on pictures and all that, but you can hear music
1:45:55
blasting from that room every day and you can see the strobe
1:45:59
lights. You know, from that room, Going
1:46:00
Through the Glass Tinted doors, every day I've seen hitting
1:46:04
coaches walk in there with umbrella hats.
1:46:08
Why do you need umbrella? Hats for hitters meeting, right?
1:46:10
So like there's stuff that happens outside of our purview
1:46:14
outside of what we can see where I would say.
1:46:16
Like yeah, it's probably not as businesses as usual as it used
1:46:21
to be or back when, you know, even when you were playing a
1:46:23
full years ago but it's all still relative to everybody
1:46:28
else. We are Jean joined right now by
1:46:32
Yankees beat writer for the New York.
1:46:33
Daily News Gary. Phillip's Gary got a few more
1:46:38
questions for you. There's one thing that I read
1:46:40
just earlier today that Luke Weaver is going to be coming
1:46:44
back with a rehab assignment, at most likely and joining the
1:46:49
bullpen. So, the question is now that
1:46:51
we've seen Devin Williams, kind of write the ship a little bit,
1:46:54
What's the plan? What are we doing with these two
1:46:57
closers? I wish I could tell you.
1:47:00
Oh, Aaron Boone. Was that earlier this week?
1:47:03
I also asked him today when it was revealed that Weaver will
1:47:06
likely be back tomorrow. He doesn't want to say just yet
1:47:10
I asked specifically if well, you know, he's not gonna say
1:47:14
that. Yeah, yeah gotta ask me he's
1:47:19
gonna have to say so at some point or it's going to become a
1:47:21
parent at some point but no I didn't have high expectations
1:47:24
for getting a response on that. But you know, my question
1:47:27
specifically was, would he be open to them splitting it where
1:47:31
maybe in an Ideal World? They never pitched on the same
1:47:34
day and they alternate the ninth inning.
1:47:37
He said we'll see, didn't shut the door on it, didn't rule it
1:47:40
out, but he also said he still needs to talk to both of them
1:47:44
and that he hadn't made up his mind and any sort of way.
1:47:47
I'm not sure I buy that when you know, that Weaver is coming back
1:47:50
so soon, probably giving it at least some thought at this
1:47:53
point. Right.
1:47:54
But it is an interesting. It is an interesting situation
1:47:57
because Williams does look like himself now and Weavers also
1:48:01
been, Phenomenal. Going back to last year old guys
1:48:04
are going to be free agents at the end of the season.
1:48:06
I'm sure they both like to go on, you know, hit the open
1:48:10
market with a bunch of saves on their resume so we'll see how
1:48:13
they handle it. So you're an art, I find really
1:48:16
interesting. So just one second just to
1:48:19
follow-ups. I want to give you my theory
1:48:20
because we obviously you're not getting the information from
1:48:22
Boone, but for me you're going to pay the Devin Williams.
1:48:26
The money you're trying to make him the closer, right?
1:48:28
That's the guy that you would expect, but Williams and Weaver
1:48:32
both have experience is set up men, but set up for hater for
1:48:35
but a long time, you're not paying them that much money.
1:48:39
Williams. You're not paying them that much
1:48:42
money. You're not paying them closer
1:48:43
money. How much does he making right
1:48:46
now? Six.
1:48:47
Is that it? I believe it's seven or eight,
1:48:51
sorry, but whatever, but just to jump on your point, I, I would
1:48:58
be surprised if Williams came back and free agency.
1:49:03
Is there? So I guess that kind of gets to
1:49:05
like, the bigger thing, you know, they haven't been winning.
1:49:07
Is there the locker room? You mean, umbrella hats?
1:49:11
Sounds like a lot of fun. Is it has it been a little tense
1:49:14
in the last week or so with this, you know, kind of you know
1:49:18
this this misstep is the locker room as tight because we we saw
1:49:22
last year we saw the Dodgers. We saw what happened in the
1:49:26
World Series? So on Soto's gone, a few pieces
1:49:29
to replace him is this this is this locker room tight like
1:49:33
that. Or is it on the on its way or
1:49:35
kind of like up and down right now?
1:49:38
It. They're tight is in their
1:49:40
cohesiveness. Yes, they're not, they're not,
1:49:42
they were not sweating this stretch.
1:49:45
They were not. Pulling their hair out or
1:49:49
anything like that. I mean, they're very even Keel
1:49:52
group. I think that's starts with Aaron
1:49:54
judge. That they're very good.
1:49:55
They're turning the page for better or worse.
1:49:57
They don't obsess over stretches like this.
1:50:00
It's actually funny Trent Grisham this morning came
1:50:04
walking into the clubhouse and he was asking us the reporters.
1:50:07
You know, what time does the game start once first pitch, he
1:50:10
wasn't sure if it was 105 or 1:35 and then he goes out and
1:50:13
hits a home run early in the game.
1:50:15
So like he's just he's laid back, that speaks to his laid
1:50:19
back, Miss but also kind of just the overall Vibe of that
1:50:22
Clubhouse. So, I want to reference, I
1:50:24
wanted the articles that I sent me about early today, Carlos and
1:50:28
Max freed. You're sorry, you had in like
1:50:31
their effects as Lefty pitchers. Carlos, he was crucified for the
1:50:35
first two years of his Yankees. 10 year after signing, the seven
1:50:38
year contract Max freed comes over with injury arrests, but as
1:50:42
pitch phenomenally this year, what have you seen from the two
1:50:44
of them both on the field and off the field in the clubhouse?
1:50:48
Yes. So we're down hasn't been quite
1:50:51
a sharp. Since I put that story out, but
1:50:53
I've seen I've seen I've seen them really Kind of like their
1:50:58
games bleeding into each other. A little bit right coming into
1:51:01
this year. You would say, row down was a
1:51:04
power pitcher throughout his career to pitch fastball slider
1:51:08
guy. Freed on the other hand, crafty
1:51:10
left, the seven pitch. Arsenal lights, soft contact
1:51:14
likes, ground balls. Oh now I'm starting now.
1:51:17
You're starting to see Rodan with a four or five pitch mix.
1:51:20
You're starting to see him, not only get soft contact but also
1:51:24
like you really proud of himself for getting it freed.
1:51:27
On the other hand, you've seen, you know, strikeouts become a
1:51:30
slightly bigger part of his game.
1:51:31
So I see their Styles ever. So slightly leading into each
1:51:36
other a little bit. And then there are just, they're
1:51:38
talking a lot, they're talking about pit shapes, they're
1:51:40
talking about grips, they are talking about just ways to
1:51:43
attack hitters and it does help that they're both left-handed.
1:51:48
You know, Gerrit Cole has always been this extra pitching coach
1:51:51
that the Yankees have. But even, he said that those who
1:51:55
are able to take it to another level just because They throw
1:51:57
with the same arm, which I thought was really interesting,
1:52:00
so they've gotten really close, which I think is only a good
1:52:04
thing for the Yankees. Gary up, I want to I want to
1:52:09
switch gears a little bit. It's so funny.
1:52:12
Now that I get a curved from this side of the fence, right?
1:52:15
So I want to know like, What like for you like covering the
1:52:22
Yankees are just covering whatever you're doing. and
1:52:26
becoming a sports writer, like you said, What, what makes that
1:52:32
click because of like I love this.
1:52:35
I love seeing This aspect and like I've I've just become in
1:52:41
this aspect, right? So, what like when you see them
1:52:45
every day? And you get to do this.
1:52:51
What makes what makes you like go every day.
1:52:55
Like I love that because I love what, what George did for me
1:53:01
because he was always like travel.
1:53:04
What do I need like? And he was always very organic
1:53:07
with me. So for you like, obviously being
1:53:13
a kid, Not a kid. But Like what makes that like go
1:53:20
for you? For me, it's the opportunity to
1:53:24
tell you unique stories. I really like doing feature
1:53:29
stories and human interest stuff.
1:53:31
Stuff that often has as little to do with what's going on the
1:53:35
field as possible. But but opportunities to show,
1:53:37
you know, how This guy is a human being or how maybe the
1:53:43
rest of the world or the rest of society relates to this sport,
1:53:47
or what's going on with this team.
1:53:48
You know. Maybe maybe that passion is
1:53:51
better suited in like a feature style job which I'm not in.
1:53:55
You know, I am writing injury updates and breaking news every
1:53:58
day. Not necessarily the one breaking
1:54:00
it. That's not where my focus really
1:54:01
is, it's all in these features but yeah, that that's what gets
1:54:06
me going. Like I I want to write
1:54:08
100012001500. 2000 words Stories.
1:54:12
The injury update that I got to do.
1:54:13
That's like the thing I gotta get to.
1:54:15
Now the stuff that I'm passionate about the stuff that
1:54:17
really makes me go, are those stories that tell you something
1:54:21
you didn't know about a guy or you didn't know about a
1:54:24
franchise. Okay.
1:54:25
So sorry to cut you off but now we're will let you get going
1:54:30
here soon. What right now in your career.
1:54:35
Has been one that has stuck with you.
1:54:39
And tell us that story about that.
1:54:41
Yes, so I'll give you two one. That's Streaming and one that's
1:54:47
from a few years ago, I'll start with the older one.
1:54:48
I had come across this former Cubs Prospect and his fair I
1:54:54
don't know if you know the name or not but he was coming up
1:54:57
around the same time as Carrie Wood and you know it was like
1:55:01
they're going to be the aces of the cohesive of the Cubs
1:55:04
rotation and Dennis Fair blows his elbow out. and, He's sitting
1:55:10
at home. Stuck on the couch, can't play
1:55:12
baseball and he sees this commercial for missing children.
1:55:15
And he thinks to himself like there's got to be a better way
1:55:18
to do this. He partners with the national
1:55:21
Center for missing children partners with a whole bunch of
1:55:24
minor league stadiums, and starts getting all these minor
1:55:28
league ballparks to put up basically giant Billboards in
1:55:31
the concourses of, like, local missing children and They
1:55:38
basically like turns it into an entire non-profit, a charity.
1:55:41
He You know, in credit for helping find a whole bunch of
1:55:46
missing kids and missing people. So I did a story on that fresh
1:55:51
out of college and that ended up being like 3,000 4,000 words.
1:55:55
I talked to him, I talked to families who you know, credited
1:55:59
him for helping reunite them with their loved ones.
1:56:02
That that was really Special story for me, was the first kind
1:56:06
of like, long form feature that I did.
1:56:08
And, you know, he said after that, he got no calls for
1:56:13
sponsorships for his charity and got funding for it, and it was
1:56:17
just, it was cool, it was really cool.
1:56:20
And all you have to talk, you're talking to some of these people
1:56:23
and their parents and like they're, you know, I talked to
1:56:26
one and who's you know, person had still not been found and
1:56:30
like that. Those are really hard, you know,
1:56:32
humanizing interviews to do so that one's really stuck with me
1:56:36
for a while. And then more recently.
1:56:39
So Gary. Yeah, no, go ahead.
1:56:42
No, I'm sorry guy. We just wanted to Kind of touch
1:56:46
base with you again. After this is gonna be our last.
1:56:49
Our last question, we really happy to have you on.
1:56:53
We had a little bit of technical difficulties.
1:56:54
I believe we're good in the back now, but Gary I have, since we
1:56:59
have Joba here and you know, you said that you're, you were
1:57:03
Yankees fan at least when you were allowed to root for the
1:57:04
Yankees. You know, you were Yankees fans.
1:57:07
So I guess I want as from your childhood memory.
1:57:10
Where I know where you going with this fish from your
1:57:13
childhood memories. Number one, who is your favorite
1:57:15
player growing up in? Number two?
1:57:16
Do you have a question for the one?
1:57:18
And only I know where this go. So Jeter was my favorite growing
1:57:25
up and my second is, why weren't she a lobbying to get out of
1:57:31
that game in Cleveland, I want you to get everybody off the
1:57:34
field. I knew exactly where you were
1:57:37
going with this. It's the obviously obvious one
1:57:40
with you, right? Oh, 100%.
1:57:42
Um, honestly. It was.
1:57:49
I was so happy to be in the big League's.
1:57:51
And it was it was a crazy year, right?
1:57:54
It was a crazy year. Oh, sweet, thanks boys.
1:57:59
Yeah, that's awesome. and so Gary, like for me, it was, it
1:58:06
was one of those things where I didn't have.
1:58:13
Enough value at that point to be able to say something. and,
1:58:20
Literally Joe put in his book. That's his biggest regret as a
1:58:27
coach. And I go at the end of the day,
1:58:30
it was my call. It was my call.
1:58:34
And he was like, what do you want to do?
1:58:36
And I was like I'll try and get through it.
1:58:38
Like no, it's fine. Like we're good.
1:58:42
And so it was mine. And I hate that that was Joe's.
1:58:48
Only regret. And I hate that.
1:58:54
I gave up the run and we can watch highlights so we can show
1:58:58
him. We can do whatever.
1:59:00
But it was. I was raised by a great man.
1:59:06
And God blessed my father. I lost him three months ago.
1:59:09
Sorry, and he goes. You pushed through and you go.
1:59:15
And in the back of my mind. I've always always think that it
1:59:21
was like, Dad, never complained. So, I can't complain.
1:59:26
So you just go do your shit, get your work done.
1:59:30
Sometimes it goes good. Sometimes it goes bad.
1:59:34
But you're not going to take a break.
1:59:38
And that was that was kind of really where it was.
1:59:42
I was I was pissed, it cost me 3500 bucks.
1:59:47
Because I broke a locker, it wasn't great. but at the end of
1:59:54
the day, every October, I'm gonna see, The midgets.
1:59:59
So, I'm just busting your chops. I think that's the know.
2:00:03
Yeah. In the mind and the mindset that
2:00:05
you gotta you, right? That's the mindset.
2:00:06
You gotta have when you're on the mount.
2:00:08
And I, I never at that point, never like I was so grateful.
2:00:15
So grateful, obviously my goal was Gary.
2:00:18
I'll tell you. As a beat writer like you talk
2:00:22
to prospects and you talk to guys like that, right?
2:00:25
My goal is to get the double A I started in high.
2:00:30
And I was like, I got to double a, I'm good.
2:00:32
Then I go to the all-star game. Represent Team USA.
2:00:36
Do all that. And then a month later, I'm in
2:00:41
the big league. and I'm like, what in the hell is this?
2:00:48
Like, all right. Well I guess we'll figure it
2:00:50
out. and you have those conversations with guys, because
2:00:56
they, you know, that it's just part of what you do as a beat
2:01:00
writer because, I've dealt with plenty of you.
2:01:05
I've doubled on you guys and you have to do your due diligence.
2:01:10
With these young kids because that's the ones you want to be
2:01:14
covering later. and you see what happens and it was just, it's It
2:01:20
was crazy. Just because it happened so damn
2:01:23
fast. That I should I just had my son
2:01:28
in April. And then less than a year,
2:01:32
later, I'm in the big league and I'm like, what are we doing?
2:01:38
Here I can only imagine and now there's like now there's even
2:01:43
more attention and hype surroundings prospects that was
2:01:46
before social media Java. Yeah, for sure.
2:01:50
Yeah, you're so I mean I don't know your age.
2:01:54
Are you over 30 yet? I'm 30 years 30.
2:01:57
Oh, so like just Gary. I'm a teacher and these kids are
2:02:01
born with phones in their hand. You've probably had a smartphone
2:02:03
what you're in high school. Yes.
2:02:06
And since before that before high school, I mean job and I
2:02:11
had the dial up 56k modems. You know, from Dad, get off the
2:02:16
phone. So I can get on the internet,
2:02:18
literally, you had to use the phone line landline surveying.
2:02:22
Now, it was definitely a different time.
2:02:24
But Gary, listen, man, we really had a great time with you on
2:02:27
tonight. We appreciate you coming.
2:02:29
We'd love to have you back on again for sure, you know, later
2:02:32
on, in the season will be great to touch base with you.
2:02:34
Maybe the Yankees are, you know, making a rally and going for
2:02:37
another trying to get that World Series.
2:02:39
Again, trying to climb that mountain, man, so we really
2:02:41
appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you guys having me
2:02:44
love doing it would be happy to come back and next time, I'll
2:02:48
job. I'll ask you about the Java
2:02:50
rules and what you think of them all these years later.
2:02:51
Oh yeah, we've had those discussion on the show.
2:02:55
That's all segments. It's been a whole segment.
2:02:58
I think a couple of times guys, one last time, this has been
2:03:01
Gary Phillips. Yankees beat writer for the New
2:03:04
York, Daily News. Gary.
2:03:07
Thank you so, so much for coming, man.
2:03:10
You got it. Thank you.
2:03:12
All right, moving forwards. Guys, into our next segment.
2:03:17
What do we got? Oh, jabba, jabba just popped out
2:03:20
for a second. Let's get Java back in because
2:03:22
we gotta take a call. To the pain control strike on
2:03:28
his pitch. He's not gonna be much on it.
2:03:30
Feels like jello, right, just get it all over the plate, I
2:03:32
want him to swing. Last time I did that, the guy
2:03:34
that hasn't landed for a call to the pain.
2:03:39
All right, to call to the pain. I hope John just runs to the
2:03:43
bathroom. That would, that would, that
2:03:45
would kind of put a damper on the call to the pain, but let me
2:03:48
give you a little kind of a ad-lib for it because in 2005
2:03:54
job of Chamberlain was a member of the Nebraska Cornhuskers.
2:03:58
I'm sure there's a surprise anybody on this show that the
2:04:01
job is from the Brassica and job is Nebraska no idea.
2:04:05
He had Speedy. I don't know if you knew that
2:04:07
Java is from the state of Nebraska.
2:04:09
They like corn over there. They like these things called
2:04:13
runzas. Oh, that's why it's on the
2:04:15
Tic-Tac nohboard. Now it all makes sense.
2:04:17
Yes. Well, you know, on the Tic-Tac
2:04:19
no board we had like the one mountain or like Hill.
2:04:23
I guess they have in the entire state, which I guess I'm
2:04:25
assuming is just all flat lands of khorne but they also play a
2:04:29
whole bunch of baseball over there.
2:04:30
And obviously that's where we are at the College World Series.
2:04:35
The College World Series has been going on for a long time.
2:04:38
Nebraska hasn't been there since 2005 and this is the man himself
2:04:43
that helped take them there to that to that game job.
2:04:47
I got the win job. I was looking up your stats that
2:04:49
year had a bang in the year that season in 2000.
2:04:52
Yeah. What was like a sub three or a?
2:04:55
I think. 2.81, I think. 2.81 237.4.
2:05:02
Yeah. So he will have to look at the
2:05:05
other analytic part of it, but I college baseball reference is
2:05:10
not even a site. Probably now it is.
2:05:14
I know there's a football. I don't think there is nothing
2:05:16
for college other sports, but I'll say maybe there's
2:05:19
something. If anyone could find it, it's
2:05:21
use Speedy Java. We're both almost 40.
2:05:25
This happened, 20 years ago. 20 years ago is a lifetime ago.
2:05:30
I teach High School. Those kids weren't born. 20
2:05:33
years ago, my son, my son's 19, your son's 19.
2:05:39
Wasn't a thought in your mind that the time.
2:05:42
Job. All these years later.
2:05:43
Specially, now, that you're sitting there in Omaha, you've
2:05:46
been there all week at the College World Series.
2:05:48
Two generations ago or two decades ago, I guess the one
2:05:51
generation one and a half or something.
2:05:53
Two decades ago. He took your team won the game
2:05:57
for the first time College World Series.
2:06:00
Tell me about that experience. And how you think about it now
2:06:03
all these years later man, it's it's honestly like I think about
2:06:14
the opportunity. To represent your state.
2:06:18
First and foremost. Know represent your family and
2:06:23
and you know obviously you know, being born on Lincoln and always
2:06:29
only 45 minutes away. but being able to go to rosenblatt and now
2:06:37
it's at Charles Schwab and But it was just it was amazing to
2:06:43
me. Being able to cover it.
2:06:48
Now and I I think it's hit me a little bit harder than I
2:06:52
thought. because like, man, I gotta do this. and like, I get
2:07:02
to see cam cordial, who grew up with my son and played against
2:07:06
each other. And get to see him and he
2:07:10
obviously goes down against. LSU, and Playing for Arkansas.
2:07:15
And it it's just, it's yeah, that's I get it man.
2:07:23
It's sucks. like, because when you lose, when you get to the
2:07:28
Pinnacle, And you have that. But I'll never forget. just the
2:07:38
joy and I want you guys. It's too calm experience this
2:07:46
experience. Because I've done it, my entire
2:07:50
life. Fortunate enough to play in it.
2:07:55
Fortunate enough to Now cover it.
2:07:58
Fortunate enough to play in it. But damn it.
2:08:04
Come and experience the College World Series.
2:08:08
There's there's nothing. Nothing like it.
2:08:14
I've been in a World Series. And I've done it.
2:08:19
There's nothing like this, man. and so for me it's like and it's
2:08:25
been Crazy to think about. It's been 20 years.
2:08:33
And he's the craziest thing in the world.
2:08:36
To me time, just, I can't believe certain things happened,
2:08:40
20 years ago. And I can't.
2:08:43
And it is crazy because literally Carter's almost 20 and
2:08:48
I had him. I had him when I was literally I
2:08:52
lost to Manhattan College. To get to the World Series.
2:09:00
And I actually ran into a guy. He was at one of my signings and
2:09:05
he was like, I lost two to one. I lost two to one. and I gave up
2:09:11
two solo home runs and we can score And he was like I was the
2:09:17
one to do that at home. Where are you?
2:09:19
And I'm like, Thanks. I was like I was trying to go
2:09:23
back to back so the World Series.
2:09:26
He's probably dined out on that story his entire life.
2:09:29
Oh 100%. He still tells the same story
2:09:32
100%. 100%. So like sit.
2:09:37
So now we're here, and you mentioned.
2:09:38
Your son played with this kid that was on Ark and saw the, you
2:09:41
know, Hometown Hometown here. Oh, here How do you think?
2:09:45
Do you feel like Like that you're like in it with the kids
2:09:50
a little bit because you've been in those shoes or is it kind of
2:09:53
like you see it more as like a dad right now you know just kind
2:09:57
of looking at these kids that you that's your son's age and
2:10:00
you know you just rooting for them to be successful play the
2:10:03
game the right way and you know just be a great competitor out
2:10:06
there. I think I look at it, I look at
2:10:10
it both ways because being a player and doing it, but then
2:10:15
being a dad, too. like, That game last night and watching the
2:10:21
kid and left field that slips and misses the ball and gives it
2:10:27
up. and, just, it's I see it as a dad.
2:10:35
Like from one perspective. I see it as a player because I'm
2:10:41
like, damn, I'd be happy if that happened but also like I think
2:10:46
what kicks in more to is honestly, like I really wasn't
2:10:54
excited. Because I felt so bad for him.
2:11:00
And like, I know that feeling. And like, I've been there.
2:11:07
And it's like that cost him the game.
2:11:10
And it really did. but I don't I don't really like now it's like
2:11:18
when you know, carts playing now and I'm very not a not a great
2:11:29
dad at this point because I don't have any Any Solace to my
2:11:35
son. I'm like, if you suck you suck.
2:11:37
Like I'm gonna tell you that but like when you get a watch thing,
2:11:45
and you get an experience like they get which is unbelievable.
2:11:51
And like I said, you guys need to experience it. and just as
2:11:57
he's kneeling down. And know, and he knows.
2:12:03
And we do, we we all know as athletes, we all know it's
2:12:06
coaches too when that happens, right?
2:12:12
and it just, it sucks like, but there has to be that one person,
2:12:18
you know, and it's just, Look at that, that's found his own
2:12:27
highlight of you playing right there in Nebraska.
2:12:29
That's better than me. I wasn't able to do that.
2:12:32
I do just as I did, research your stats.
2:12:35
You didn't have as good of a follow-up season, as you did
2:12:38
know, five season. No.
2:12:40
Oh, six was terrible. Probably had something to do.
2:12:43
Triple walk on College. I would imagine triple the
2:12:46
strikeout to walk ratio though, looks like oh, yeah.
2:12:48
No, my numbers were still great. Don't get me wrong.
2:12:51
Like I was still punching people out, don't get me wrong.
2:12:54
No, that's that's not the point. The point was.
2:12:56
So that's some other things on your plate as you were saying
2:12:59
that year, too. But yeah, it's just man.
2:13:02
It's just it it is it is unbelievable.
2:13:06
When you, when you get to when you get to the Pinnacle of what
2:13:09
you're doing. Whatever level it is.
2:13:13
It's like I don't care if it's like you're in a national
2:13:17
tournament as the little kid and whatever.
2:13:21
It's just when you when you get to that, you just you, you kind
2:13:25
of get a better understanding of it. and, I'm very fortunate. to
2:13:32
be able to do all those things like and God.
2:13:36
Rest my dad's soul. My dad always said, you're gonna
2:13:41
be the best in the city. I was all City going to be the
2:13:44
best in the state. I was super state.
2:13:48
You're gonna be the best in the country.
2:13:50
I was an All-American. Because you're going to be the
2:13:53
best in the world. And I want a World Series.
2:13:58
And so God bless you, Dad. I love you.
2:14:02
I miss you every day. But it's, it's it's it's just
2:14:07
it's it's it's crazy. When you now when you're a dad
2:14:14
And you see these things with these guys that are grinding.
2:14:19
and, They are literally putting their life on the line.
2:14:26
And they'll sell out for their teammates, and they'll do that.
2:14:30
and, It was hard for me to cheer.
2:14:34
Because I wanted Arkansas to win because I can't. mind you I,
2:14:41
I'll have to send you the interview with Cam.
2:14:45
Because cam hit like, 900 off, Carter.
2:14:49
Like chicken deep like three times.
2:14:52
Like And so they faced each other and and they were good
2:14:57
friends and got to meet his parents and it was it was just
2:15:00
fantastic. But that's the thing about what
2:15:06
this College World Series. It is or what Sports are in
2:15:10
general. like, Him going to his mom.
2:15:18
And it was tough. Obviously, like we just walked
2:15:21
like that's tough. And as a dad, like, I don't know
2:15:30
what the hell I would do. If Carter ever gets to this
2:15:35
opportunity, which I hope he does. but what I would do, like
2:15:41
how lighter with Jack when he was in Vanderbilt and It's just
2:15:47
like you sit in the stands and like I don't, I don't know if I
2:15:51
could do that. Like I just want it.
2:15:52
I just want to be by myself. You have you have no control.
2:15:57
You have all the emotions in the world riding on it.
2:16:01
I mean, that's the type of stuff, you know, we hear from,
2:16:04
you know, compulsive gamblers. Like, they just had the Jitters.
2:16:08
It's got to be similar type of feeling.
2:16:10
When you know you all you can do is just root and and so be
2:16:15
supportive and you can't even get yourself to Route because
2:16:17
you're so nervous for them. And you're, you're taking all
2:16:20
the anxiety and you're putting yours because you've worn those
2:16:23
shoes and you just it's got to be a trip and I'm so glad you
2:16:28
shared that with us job. Aunt, tonight's a, to the pain.
2:16:32
All right, let's move on. We gotta change gears for
2:16:37
second. We'll come back to baseball a
2:16:38
little later tonight, but we are going to get right into some
2:16:42
football. And we call this the wood
2:16:46
around. I was quicker than I remember
2:16:55
it. I think the whip around these
2:16:57
little longer but this is the off season whip around.
2:17:02
Yes Java still giving Speedy the referee John All right, let's
2:17:09
start this off the right way. Today's edition of the NFL
2:17:13
offseason whip around jaire, Alexander and Lamar.
2:17:18
Jackson they were teammates at Louisville way back when they
2:17:21
are teammates once again on the Ravens.
2:17:26
Wow. That's why you wanted to go
2:17:30
there. Tell your Alexander here, they
2:17:32
are growing out when they came back together, they were the two
2:17:36
leaders of the team in Louisville.
2:17:39
Show your Alexander didn't end well in Green Bay obviously had
2:17:43
a two years ago or I guess three years ago, Speedy signed the
2:17:46
largest contract for a cornerback played half the game
2:17:50
since he signed it because of injury.
2:17:51
If there's any place to get this guy going back to being an
2:17:55
All-Pro, it is with his best bud and also MVP perennial MVP
2:18:01
candidate. Lamar Jackson Speedy, what is a
2:18:05
healthy gyro? Alexander mean to this Ravens
2:18:07
team? Yeah, it's definitely a good
2:18:09
move where it comes to the counter of what Marlon.
2:18:12
Humphrey is Marlon Humphries a physical corner.
2:18:14
He won an All-Pro in the slot last year.
2:18:16
But all of a very physical outside corner, jair is usually
2:18:20
more reliant on speed, he has long, but he goes rely more on
2:18:23
his feet, throw his career, keeping up with guys in man
2:18:26
coverage and I think the last couple of years he's had to
2:18:29
fight a lot of injury with his hamstring.
2:18:31
I think as slowed him down but he's a good counter for that
2:18:34
scheme. He's gonna probably play more of
2:18:35
the outside corner because like I said, Humphrey is strong in
2:18:38
the slot. Nate Wiggins is also very good
2:18:40
at the rookie corner from last year and now answering your in
2:18:43
the slot better than he was out. So I think it just gives him a
2:18:46
little bit more speed. And you look at the top three
2:18:49
teams in the AFC last year with the bills and with the Chiefs
2:18:51
and them and the Ravens. Like that's the threshold your
2:18:53
looking at all. Their receivers are all type
2:18:56
speed yard after the catch type guys, which I think the Ravens
2:18:59
got cooked by when they have to place both teams.
2:19:03
He on paper Speedy to me. He looks like a perfect fit for
2:19:07
them. It would be a great thing if he
2:19:09
can stay healthy and he could play.
2:19:11
Because look a guy that's a speed guy with bad hamstrings.
2:19:13
It's not what you want, right? That's that's obviously not what
2:19:16
you want, but if he can keep it together, maybe he's not, he's
2:19:19
at 90% speed That I Used to Be. You still can be a very
2:19:22
competent corner. And Lamar Jackson says something
2:19:24
to the effect. Listen to the general manager.
2:19:27
Listen, I love our corners. But we'll get that guy.
2:19:31
Jabba, when you played a couple of places.
2:19:34
I don't know if you one of your leaders stops if you got to the
2:19:38
point where a manager or somebody new organization said,
2:19:42
hey, what about this guy? You think we should add this guy
2:19:45
and someone that you played with?
2:19:46
Is he ever like giving a recommendation?
2:19:48
It's like, hey, you should we gotta get this guy.
2:19:51
I will I will say, like, from from that side of what they
2:19:56
like, what they are in and who they it's just like, It's the
2:20:03
presence of just to the. All right and I'll give you a
2:20:07
great story. So we're literally I'm with the
2:20:11
Detroit Tigers at this time. And we're about to make a crazy
2:20:16
trade. To get David Price.
2:20:18
Oh yeah. And David Price was a good
2:20:21
friend of mine. I texted.
2:20:26
And I was like, hey, you're about to get traded.
2:20:32
And he was on the golf course and I was like, hey, you might
2:20:36
need to head back to the clubhouse.
2:20:40
Because I think this is about to happen.
2:20:43
And so it's me Verlander. And then all the sudden I see
2:20:47
all dumb Brasky comes in Avila comes in and I'm like, oh, it's
2:20:55
about to go down. and, I was old at that time, so like they kind
2:21:02
of filled Us in on some certain things. and some like, hey, I
2:21:10
didn't even he David didn't even hear from his agent.
2:21:14
Didn't hear from his agent. Only reasoning was because of
2:21:17
me. That's any wild and he got
2:21:21
traded. Literally 20 minutes later.
2:21:27
You know, I I just, I just find those stories to be fascinating
2:21:31
because you never from, from our perspective, you know, it's just
2:21:34
a transaction on a piece of paper, a guy gets traded, but
2:21:39
this is it. You guys, we're gonna work
2:21:41
lives. We're gonna go a little bit
2:21:43
longer right now on this segment.
2:21:45
Because I'll tell you what is even.
2:21:48
Crazier about that. so, the two people that were involved in the
2:21:54
trade was Austin. Jackson, Drew smyly.
2:21:59
And it was the Mariners tigers and raids. and so, if he didn't
2:22:07
get To the clubhouse. By the time the trade deadline
2:22:13
happened. The trade was Nolan, Boyd.
2:22:18
So two outs like I think it was in like the 5th inning or
2:22:21
something. They run out and grab Austin,
2:22:24
Jackson. Tyler Collins goes in.
2:22:28
And it was like, you've just been traded.
2:22:35
And you're like, what is going on?
2:22:37
Middle of the game. Middle of the game. that's why
2:22:42
you see some of these things, but it's It's crazy.
2:22:47
How like, all of this works. and how like, Things. go hand in,
2:22:56
but I'm like, Do that. Getting ready to catch a fly
2:23:02
ball or something and he has to worry about this.
2:23:08
Because he I was on the chopping block all the time.
2:23:11
I was gonna get traded for right holiday all the time.
2:23:14
God rested soul. And it never happened because
2:23:20
they wouldn't give me up. But then like, when you actually
2:23:23
get a like, see it and experience it I'm like, hey,
2:23:29
I'll give you a hug. and then they're just in the clubhouse
2:23:32
like packing their lockers and yeah, I'm out.
2:23:36
It's weird. It's super weird.
2:23:40
I thought it would have to be pretty strange.
2:23:43
So we see that coming up now we have that one.
2:23:46
We got Lamar happy jair happy. Maybe it works out for them in
2:23:52
this new stop Speedy. The next story we have up here
2:23:55
is the retirement oh that's middle linebacker.
2:23:59
Legend Alabama, Legends as well. CJ Mosley look CJ Mosley has
2:24:07
been a very good middle linebacker in this league for
2:24:09
very long time. People don't realize unless they
2:24:12
are around football, just how important the mic linebacker
2:24:15
middle linebacker is basically calls the defense.
2:24:18
He's the defensive quarterback for the Run fits.
2:24:21
He's also doing a lot of communication that sets up the
2:24:24
communication for the guys behind him as well.
2:24:26
But the front seven runs on what the how good the communication
2:24:30
is of the middle linebacker and how well obviously how well he
2:24:33
plays but the communication is key and the Jets defenses have
2:24:37
been very good in Large part, because they've had a really
2:24:40
great middle linebacker communicating that across.
2:24:43
How is this going to number one? Do you think the Jets are going
2:24:47
to be as good defensively? And two Speedy.
2:24:52
What what is that say about that position?
2:24:54
Because that position I find to be one of the most undervalued
2:24:57
position in all football. It's changed a lot because I
2:25:00
think CJ Mosley when he came into the league.
2:25:03
They were trying to still emphasize a lot more of those
2:25:05
more physical coverage. Linebackers those cover two type
2:25:08
Tampa, two type linebackers. You saw that with guys like Luke
2:25:11
Kuechly, Brian or lacquer, one of the best ever Derek Brooks of
2:25:14
the best there, I think. If they were looking for those
2:25:15
types and then once those types became more injury prone, they
2:25:19
look for more of those speed types, I think.
2:25:21
When you look at Deon Jones, when he got drafted by the
2:25:24
Atlanta Falcons, I think, kind of, since then, in 2016 on
2:25:27
they've been looking for more of those quicker types.
2:25:29
And now you look at somebody like Fred Warner who's probably
2:25:31
the best man covers linebacker I ever seen, so you're not gonna
2:25:33
be looking for, as much CJ, Mosley type linebacker's, just
2:25:37
physically, as for himself. Yeah, he's had a great career.
2:25:39
I've obviously his first year with the Jets calls, a lot of
2:25:42
the injury and then the covid year, he was causing a lot of
2:25:45
drama. But since then, he played great
2:25:46
and really did a great job. Elevating those young
2:25:48
linebackers on the Jets team. The Jets right now are more
2:25:51
presented on their secondary and their pass rush.
2:25:54
I think they filled in their young girl.
2:25:56
Linebackers very nicely where I think it's actually with the new
2:25:59
scheme with Aaron, Glenn and going over there.
2:26:00
Detroit's had a lot of rotations at the linebacker position but
2:26:03
they've done well with bringing in Faster veterans, and a
2:26:06
combination of the youngsters that have played well there,
2:26:08
too. I don't think it'll be a massive
2:26:09
drop off losing Mosley, but like you said, it's a signal caller.
2:26:12
As a leader, like, he really had to teach those other guys, well,
2:26:15
when he got her and sometimes that kind of thing is lost if
2:26:18
you don't have that even linebacker position or the
2:26:20
safety position. If you don't have a middle
2:26:23
linebacker, that can communicate and set the defense correctly,
2:26:26
you're not a good defense and it's so important.
2:26:30
I mean, I know at my level you know two years ago I had this
2:26:33
linebacker who was just he went to Harvard, he was a genius.
2:26:37
He could call out what the play was and we were always ready and
2:26:41
we got to the state semi-finals the year after that, not the
2:26:45
same kid, all right it didn't work out.
2:26:47
If you know you know I praise the effort But we didn't win
2:26:52
last year and then a lot, a large part of it is defensively.
2:26:56
We were never set, right? And that comes from the middle
2:26:59
linebacker position and I do think it's undervalued.
2:27:01
Yeah, we talked about it too. With 408 Lincoln when he's been
2:27:04
on the show too, like how well? And yeah, same thing you think
2:27:07
about Lavonte David? Oh yeah, sure.
2:27:10
Right in the way. Like you're taking over for
2:27:14
Derek Brooks obviously bear. Rude.
2:27:16
Was there too. Yeah obviously I'm gonna drop
2:27:19
the Nebraska Diamond. I remember who was a good
2:27:22
linebacker that injury issues and again I'm actually Lavonte
2:27:25
David and I'm taking over. Another Jets Legends Alexander
2:27:28
played with him earlier this career in Tampa and yeah you
2:27:32
think Speedy too like when it comes to that too and it exactly
2:27:36
like you said fish was So are they are they the leaders?
2:27:43
Of kind of the defense because they kind of just as a mic
2:27:48
linebacker and what they do. or they kind of the leaders of
2:27:52
like, obviously, you're getting your scheme.
2:27:55
You're getting everything. You know what you're doing?
2:27:57
Do you think if you don't have a dude like that?
2:28:01
That can do these things. does a lead of Defense to be soft or
2:28:08
hard or Yes, defense is harder. We're because you're obviously,
2:28:14
you're skiing can be strong, but it's harder when you don't know
2:28:17
what place is coming or like yeah, especially in motion.
2:28:20
This is emotion and it found now.
2:28:21
So if you can't adjust to somebody, either moving emotion,
2:28:25
or a quarterback that calls audible's quickly or the
2:28:27
opposite, where you have like a shock, make they like offense
2:28:30
with the Rams where they're gonna huddle for a while then
2:28:32
because audible the last second type thing.
2:28:34
If you don't have a linebacker like that a veteran linebacker
2:28:38
like that, that could do that. That's why.
2:28:39
I like I said well we talked with for a look on the show he
2:28:42
trying to train all these young girl linebackers know their
2:28:44
signals and he has to do a lot from a leadership perspective as
2:28:47
the captain of that team. It's very difficult.
2:28:49
It's a team like his team with the Jaguars as a lot of roster
2:28:53
turnover. And mostly went to the same kind
2:28:54
of thing with the Jabs. So a lot of that defense,
2:28:56
they've built up the last four years.
2:28:58
Our younger players. So he had days to take on that
2:29:01
kind of mentorship. And that's why they've been very
2:29:03
good unit for a while. Java.
2:29:06
You remember watching? Ray Lewis play.
2:29:08
And how he would play against guys like Peyton Manning.
2:29:11
And I remember their matchups very well because at least
2:29:15
seemed like the two of them were just shouting for 20 seconds
2:29:18
before every place started. Because for every type of little
2:29:22
audible Manning would do Ray Lewis would have an answer and
2:29:26
it was this crazy chess match that had nothing to do with the
2:29:30
physicality and speed of the player.
2:29:32
It was just, you know, understanding football and then
2:29:36
having to be physical and do those things.
2:29:39
The fact that if, like, Ray Lewis is a whole family because
2:29:42
he was able to do that, right at the highest level.
2:29:45
And I think it's really important to remember that.
2:29:48
If a team doesn't have that piece, You better be like.
2:29:53
Having revised Island on one side of the fields type of a
2:29:56
talented in the secondary and maybe, you know, you just have
2:30:00
like a Mile's yard or something because you're going to need it.
2:30:03
If you don't have that great guy in the middle.
2:30:06
So I want to leave it at that and move on to the next one,
2:30:09
which is one of our favorite topics here on job in the mouth.
2:30:11
Shoulder Sanders should door Sanders Skies driving 101 miles
2:30:18
an hour. Not the first time he was cited
2:30:21
for speeding this month. He apparently was stopped for
2:30:24
going 91 in the 65. I believe, two weeks not even
2:30:30
two weeks earlier, so he's facing some finds some court,
2:30:34
fees 41, miles an hour, over the 60 mile an hour speed limit.
2:30:38
That's not good. He might lose a license for
2:30:40
something like that, he's taking care of the tickets team
2:30:44
spokesman Peter. John, Baptiste told the media
2:30:47
Outlet, We know the story. Not a great start for sure.
2:30:53
Now, you heard some good things out of camp at OTAs, that he
2:30:57
looks great. They're wearing shorts right
2:31:00
now. We know, shoulders going to look
2:31:02
good and shorts. But is he focused where he needs
2:31:06
to be focused? Java.
2:31:09
When guys have stuff going on off the field.
2:31:12
Are they like, how often are they good on the field?
2:31:17
um, it it's weird because obviously had that as well so I
2:31:22
can I can kind of speak on that. But it.
2:31:29
Didn't have that, right? And obviously, I didn't have my
2:31:34
dad's name behind me. And what he's done.
2:31:38
I And I don't know. Dion that personally.
2:31:46
Tori and like, hey, like you know what's What is on you,
2:31:52
right? like it's, it's going to be
2:31:58
Prevalent to what people talk about, why we're talking about
2:32:02
it right now. so I don't, I honestly I'm like dude really
2:32:10
like if you're gonna do what you're doing, Then do it be you,
2:32:19
I want you to be you no matter what. 100%?
2:32:26
but if you're gonna, if you're gonna keep doing the shit that
2:32:29
you're doing, and think you can get away with it, because, You
2:32:35
know, who my dad is. You haven't proven to damn
2:32:40
thing. You haven't done anything?
2:32:44
Yeah, you made some money. For and ill and all the other
2:32:49
stuff. But at the end of the day, like
2:32:51
all I'll be perfectly on with you. if he doesn't do it, On the
2:32:57
biggest stage. Nobody gives a shit.
2:33:03
Nobody cares. and if he wants to keep doing what he's doing, and
2:33:11
think that he is a What my dad would call?
2:33:18
Bmoc, Big Man on Campus. Then what are you like?
2:33:24
What are you doing? Like GoPro, like I can't say
2:33:29
anything to you. If you go prove it.
2:33:34
Like, yep. Sorry about your luck.
2:33:38
I'm the dude, I'm the dude. But you didn't do anything, bro.
2:33:44
You never won anything. You've never won anything.
2:33:48
You rely on your fucking father. Go do something on your own
2:33:54
record. Go do it.
2:33:58
And I tell my son, this all the time.
2:34:02
I go. Carter van.
2:34:05
This ain't about me. it's about you and if you go do it and
2:34:11
you're that, dude, Can't say anything.
2:34:17
I'll take care of you. but go do you Like, go do something.
2:34:24
And it just doesn't make sense to me. how like, He doesn't like
2:34:31
and you can never ever. Tell anybody.
2:34:38
How to be a father. Can do it.
2:34:42
But when it comes down to it, it's like you got to do.
2:34:45
You got to do something? and it's like, I tell Carl time,
2:34:52
you're not gonna be job with Shameless.
2:34:54
You're not that that just not gonna be the way it is.
2:34:58
You're not. And I don't want you to live up
2:35:03
to me. I want you to be better than me.
2:35:07
and so, I don't know, Dion on that level to where, like did
2:35:12
you not just tell your kids like Yeah, they're very talented.
2:35:18
But let them be their own people.
2:35:21
Like let them do their thing. Let's hope.
2:35:25
She doors thing isn't just getting speeding tickets all
2:35:28
year, not putting his nose in the Playbook because his ass
2:35:30
will be out of the leak pretty quickly and it'll have to be
2:35:33
playing in Canada and well, you know, I'm sure we'll get to some
2:35:36
Great Canadian football picks in a little bit when Wes comes on
2:35:39
for Less parlay. That's not let's move on money
2:35:42
maker. Carl made a good point.
2:35:44
He's already late to film session.
2:35:45
So Well look, I think we're we know why he fell.
2:35:50
We know why we've talked about it.
2:35:52
You know what's really cool? There's this great Netflix
2:35:54
series on the Cowboys cheerleaders and about set six
2:35:58
years ago they they were only making 200 dollars a game to be
2:36:02
a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, you can't live off of that, that's
2:36:05
not real money. They upped it to 400 in 2019.
2:36:10
Well, apparently, this just came down.
2:36:12
They're getting a 400% raise going from 400.
2:36:17
I guess if we do that math to 1600 a game time, 17 games, it's
2:36:22
good amount of money. It's a lot better than 400 a
2:36:25
game at that price. Right.
2:36:26
That's a four-time race. I've never got in the four-time
2:36:29
race. I guess that does happen in
2:36:31
professional sports. Sometimes if you go from just
2:36:33
like a rookie contract and you hit become a max player, you
2:36:37
probably get better than that but man.
2:36:40
Jabba. We look cheerleaders are living
2:36:43
right now in Dallas town. This is pretty nice.
2:36:47
You get you remember, ever getting some kind of like a
2:36:50
raise that was just like, maybe it was like the first time, you
2:36:53
got a baseball check what that feeling was like when you got
2:36:56
that real money, well I got I got real money before that.
2:37:01
Well, let's pretend the NCAA was above board for a second but you
2:37:07
know what I mean? Like that first like legitimate.
2:37:10
You know, here you go. It's I I have an interesting
2:37:14
take on this and I was literally typing in our chat before you
2:37:18
got to it and I didn't get to it.
2:37:20
But so one of my best friends, his wife.
2:37:26
Was a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader.
2:37:30
Cool, you just taking off. Okay.
2:37:36
Let me know, I go. Okay, yeah, let me know.
2:37:40
Um, and so it was, it was crazy because They literally didn't
2:37:47
make. Any money, it was it was all
2:37:50
like all Fields stuff, right? and, I'm in his wedding.
2:37:58
Doing all the other shit and doing everything and it's like
2:38:02
you learn about all these things.
2:38:05
That you don't really know about. and I, I was like, that's
2:38:13
all you're getting paid at this point.
2:38:17
Like, why do you not? Like go and be like, hey, we're
2:38:23
doing more. You take off, too.
2:38:31
Got all my people here. That's cool man.
2:38:33
Like look it I'm sure that you know having like a little bit
2:38:38
like a closer connection to it, you see that it's just like
2:38:42
poverty. Like the Dallas Cowboys
2:38:45
position, cheerleaders position so important you should do it
2:38:48
for pennies. It's not just created.
2:38:52
They created an entire show of them right?
2:38:55
They should be getting residuals for that.
2:38:58
I mean who knows how that even works today with Netflix and
2:39:01
everything? I'm sure it doesn't work for
2:39:02
them the way it used to work but Speedy you know, Workshop who
2:39:06
owns it. Of course it does, you know, but
2:39:10
as far as you know, the actors you hear all the time now with
2:39:13
like actors, not getting the residuals from like Netflix the
2:39:15
same way they used to get from cable.
2:39:16
When there would be a rerun of something they made years ago,
2:39:19
you know, I actor economy is not something I'm interested in but
2:39:23
Speedy. Well, I am certainly interested
2:39:25
in, you know, cheering that the New York football.
2:39:27
Giants. We don't need no cheerleaders.
2:39:29
Yeah, I think they're one of like, six or seven teams that
2:39:32
don't have them. It's about the football over
2:39:34
here in the in, I guess, New Jersey.
2:39:36
But I think it's a, it's a interesting story and I think
2:39:41
it's, it's a step in the right direction.
2:39:43
Hey, people what they're worth? They're probably worth more than
2:39:46
that, but it's at least the step in the right direction.
2:39:49
Let's let's finish up football. Just getting to get into the
2:39:52
last story and this what a fun story this is we got the Giants
2:39:56
third and fourth string quarterbacks becoming new best
2:39:59
friends. Oh yes.
2:40:01
I am talking about the the Italian Stallion himself Mr.
2:40:05
Tommy cutlets Tommy DeVito and our first round pick this year.
2:40:10
Technically third on the depth chart right now behind Russell
2:40:13
Wilson and famous jamous. Yes, I'm talking about jaxson
2:40:17
Dart. Listen to this boy's.
2:40:20
DeVito is getting to know new face of position.
2:40:23
He's already bonded with the rookie Dart just comes from
2:40:26
Yahoo sports. All it took was the latest
2:40:28
season of the reality TV, series, love Island, me and
2:40:32
Jackson might go on love Island. DeVito said we've talked about
2:40:36
it, so we really don't know what's about to happen.
2:40:38
I can't say we watch it every night but from time to time we
2:40:42
get an off day. We watch it and talk about it.
2:40:45
Oh man. The Bromance is blooming in.
2:40:50
The swamps of the metal ends. My God, what are we doing?
2:40:54
Make of this Speedy, it's like Step Brothers.
2:40:57
We just made new best friends. Hopefully, that's what it would
2:41:00
come down to. It's good to see the bonding.
2:41:01
I guess this based on that, please don't go on the show,
2:41:03
whatsoever. People, like I said to be vetoes
2:41:06
on practice Wok guy, whatever, but Jackson not turn into
2:41:09
shedeur Sanders and start trying to live your life on reality TV,
2:41:12
please. I love God.
2:41:13
You could Tommy Tommy DeVito. You could send all your your
2:41:16
chicken cutlets and all your food over there.
2:41:19
And you is DaVita, you could do that if that's the case.
2:41:23
But I guess from a leadership standpoint him, I guess it's
2:41:25
fine. Something to bond on, it's
2:41:26
always a good thing. Even though, like, I'm not gonna
2:41:28
over at least anything with reality TV job.
2:41:32
Have you ever watched that one? Oh, job of about popped out.
2:41:34
I know my wife. I know we've watched love
2:41:37
Island. I know I've been, I would say
2:41:40
subjected to it. Might be the best way to put it.
2:41:43
I don't think that would be what the Giants want for Tommy
2:41:47
DeVito. And especially for Jackson
2:41:50
nobody's going on the show please.
2:41:52
No. Please don't.
2:41:54
I mean, look, it might be that. Tommy DeVito's.
2:41:57
Future is like a character on a reality show to be fair.
2:42:01
I think that's probably not a stretch.
2:42:03
They could be like Jersey Shore, football Edition, you know.
2:42:07
And now all the sudden he's, you know, beating up the beat down
2:42:10
on the Jersey Shore. Like in the days of old with the
2:42:13
situation and all those other clowns from that show back in
2:42:19
the day guys that is our offseason news for football.
2:42:22
At this time we call that the whip around We're moving
2:42:26
forwards. We've got our favorite game
2:42:28
show. Coming up right now and we get
2:42:30
the first chance to have our interns at defends his crown.
2:42:34
Yes it is time for King of the Hill.
2:42:37
Here's the King of the Hill. This Bobby is the Beltline you
2:42:42
never ever. Hit below that.
2:42:44
Not that kind of King of the Hill you dumb.
2:42:47
This is King of the Hill. Here we are King of the Hill,
2:42:54
we're back. Let's get all the interns and
2:42:55
let's get Tommy in nithin you can play as well.
2:42:58
So, come on in everybody, we'll get Java.
2:43:01
And if he's if I'm sure, he's just dealing with a bunch of
2:43:03
people over there right now the location that they're at.
2:43:06
So here we go. Tonight is an NFL edition of
2:43:10
King of the Hill. Let's add everybody to the
2:43:12
stage. Let's go pop it up.
2:43:15
So round one. Again, Zach you are in the king
2:43:18
chair tonight, and we're gonna start off talking about the best
2:43:21
defensive backs of all time. All right, so we're gonna load
2:43:27
up the screen for it. We'll put Zach in the king
2:43:30
chair, right here. I'll put it over here.
2:43:32
So Zach, you were judging all of us.
2:43:34
We'll go down the line. We'll start with at the top next
2:43:37
to you with Jake. All right, so you have to
2:43:42
forgive me a really quick. Everyone here in my little Aaron
2:43:45
Rodgers tribute my, dark mystery of power still out here?
2:43:50
Um yeah no, but for me DB number one, I'm gonna go with as much
2:43:54
as I hate to say it as Eagles fan, but Prime Time be on
2:43:57
Sanders, the man was pretty much the revolution he of the
2:44:00
position you think of quarterback.
2:44:01
You think Deion Sanders. He was so dominant that time he
2:44:05
would stop playing defense and just go play offense play wide
2:44:08
receiver because the quarterbacks were just refused
2:44:11
to throw the ball towards him because they didn't want to get
2:44:12
kicked off and you can kind of see now with how he's mentored
2:44:15
or excuse me, Travis Hunter, who's looking to be that type of
2:44:19
hybrid player now? They don't even let people try
2:44:21
it anymore. That's how dominant Dion was.
2:44:23
So yeah, for me, he's clearly one of the best defensive
2:44:25
basketball time. Tommy.
2:44:27
All right. Well I'm going with one of my
2:44:30
personal favorites ever since growing up and watching football
2:44:32
as a young kid, if not the best defensive back of all time, we
2:44:37
are going with Mr. Ed Reed. Now, Mr. Ed Reed is just what a
2:44:43
stellar player. I remember.
2:44:44
I always remember watching that one clip of it was Ray Lewis
2:44:48
when I'm sorry, not Ray Lewis. It was a video of I'm sorry, I
2:44:54
can't even it was a video of Ochocinco.
2:44:56
He ran into, he ran into Ray Lewis and then just got popped
2:45:00
completely by Ed Reed and Ray Lewis.
2:45:02
So it's not using one of the Funnier videos, but Ed Reed,
2:45:04
what a great player. What a stellar a lot of these
2:45:07
people didn't even want to like A lot of these receivers and you
2:45:10
want to run near the field with him kind of similar to who I'm
2:45:13
gonna get into the next if nobody else picks him, but I'm
2:45:15
going with Mr. Ed Reed. All right, I'll go next.
2:45:20
I'm gonna go with a former Heisman Trophy candidate winner
2:45:23
and his name is Charles Woodson. Charles Woodson was a legendary
2:45:28
Corner, drafted originally by the Raiders moves, eventually to
2:45:32
safety and is an all pro there as well.
2:45:35
I don't know. There's a very short list of
2:45:38
people who have done that have been all pro at both positions.
2:45:41
He's a legend, he's a Heisman. He's got.
2:45:44
I believe he has a Super Bowl, I could be wrong about that.
2:45:47
Yeah, he got. I know.
2:45:49
He got run over by Brandon Jacobs the year after I'm not
2:45:52
mistaken on the way, the Giants win the Super Bowl but he is
2:45:55
absolutely one of the owners D backs of all time, Charles
2:45:59
Woodson. So job, we're doing best D-backs
2:46:02
of all time. So we'll just put you at the end
2:46:04
of the list right here. Okay.
2:46:06
So that's how we'll do it. And we'll go now to Mr. Aaron.
2:46:13
All right, so as you know I don't know.
2:46:15
So much about football, talking specifics but Darrelle Revis.
2:46:19
I mean you talk about What price taught me.
2:46:21
One of the best players ever pay for the Jets.
2:46:23
Possibly, but one of the best New York players in his time.
2:46:26
Just so good. The defensively, he was always
2:46:29
there again. I don't know specific, a lot of
2:46:31
specifics, but You hear the name you know who I'm talking about.
2:46:34
So I'm gonna all right Speedy. All right I'll round it out with
2:46:39
another safety. Ronnie Lott.
2:46:40
Best of his ERA with the San Francisco 49ers.
2:46:42
Played with a one, nine fingers, one of his fingers.
2:46:47
Obviously, we know what happened with that, still ended up being
2:46:49
the best tackler that era great coverage guy and obviously one
2:46:52
bunch of Super Bowls over there. I think was a heater nine time,
2:46:55
all pro safety, and I think he has to be in consideration for
2:46:59
the best. Well, most well-rounded safety
2:47:01
ever. I really like, you're saying
2:47:03
Tommy probably the best coverage safety for you.
2:47:05
Argue another guy possibly later, as the best things
2:47:08
safety. But Ronnie Lott, probably the
2:47:10
best all-around safety. Fair job of for two.
2:47:16
So you're gonna go two and then we're gonna snake back the other
2:47:18
way defensive backs of all Time. What he got for us, Mr.
2:47:24
Chamberlain. So we're going Safety or corner.
2:47:29
Safety or Corners. Yeah, defensive back.
2:47:32
So you can pick from more people.
2:47:37
Um, I'm gonna go tie law. I'm gonna go tie law and what he
2:47:47
did. Obviously Hall of Famer.
2:47:52
Two-time All-Pro. I just think what he did was,
2:48:02
Different than what other people did when he did it.
2:48:07
I wanted to take the Ronnie Lott. because there's a Nebraska
2:48:13
ending action there but I couldn't take that cuz it's
2:48:17
already gone but Yeah, so I'll take I'll win in a Hall of Fame
2:48:23
and in 19. All pro bowler.
2:48:31
The way that he covered it and did everything was fantastic.
2:48:36
All right, give me your second one and we're going to snake
2:48:39
back to Speedy going. Reverse order.
2:48:40
All right, she went, I think I'm not.
2:48:44
I'm speeding. he got a job of for his second pick and then you
2:48:55
was like to watch Troy Polamalu. I actually, Went to a game there
2:49:02
and saw him work on the sidelines.
2:49:08
It was different. it was different, and I was like, There
2:49:15
are dudes. And I've been in my Realm.
2:49:19
Where guys were different? He was different.
2:49:26
In. He has the accolades.
2:49:28
I don't need to say shit about that. because he has a but like
2:49:34
watching him. And seeing what he was able to
2:49:39
do. And how he did it.
2:49:42
And I I wouldn't say he was undersized but he wasn't like
2:49:48
great. As a size of what he did.
2:49:55
But fast. Covered.
2:49:58
In feared. And that's the thing I'll say he
2:50:02
was feared Because you didn't, you didn't.
2:50:05
Sorry, go ahead. You didn't want to.
2:50:07
You didn't want to cross. The middle of field with him.
2:50:12
Is he gonna give you the business?
2:50:16
And all right. So you you're definitely getting
2:50:19
the business from Troy Polamalu and you're getting a full head
2:50:22
of flowing hair with Head and Shoulders.
2:50:24
Keeping him danger, free speedy. Speedy.
2:50:28
All right, you said one of them with this last name before I'm
2:50:31
gonna say the other one rod Woodson, another one that could
2:50:34
play multiple different positions and I think I got that
2:50:37
was very undervalued, obviously with the Steelers a little bit
2:50:41
with the Ravens. Well, later in his career on the
2:50:43
Super Bowl team as well, but with the Steelers, especially in
2:50:45
that 90s era. They obviously they didn't win a
2:50:48
Super Bowl. They went to a Super Bowl, but
2:50:49
he still was one of the most versatile.
2:50:51
Most well-rounded defensive backs, seven or eight times poll
2:50:54
bowler or All Pro Player even more probable or type player.
2:50:58
And again, if you wasn't for Deion Sanders, probably would
2:51:01
have been the best of that era. But like you said, it was Deion
2:51:03
Sanders was the best shut down, but he was probably one of the
2:51:05
best all-around. As actually an errand.
2:51:09
All right, so I'll go with a fairly younger pick.
2:51:12
I'll go with a Richard Sherman. I mean, you talk about someone I
2:51:15
was exposed to and someone that really played the game well with
2:51:18
their team and that legion of boom, on what they did last year
2:51:21
for that, you know, in the ERA with the Seahawks.
2:51:23
I mean, you can't really say anymore.
2:51:25
Even though it's attitude was something of a problem.
2:51:27
You could say, but it was. It's both of you was good.
2:51:30
You do what he had to do when they want to check and what that
2:51:33
one championship. And runs.
2:51:34
So yeah, Aaron, I'll give you your big game is fantastic.
2:51:42
Oh we got a shout out from job on Big Beard.
2:51:44
Right there, his name is fantastic.
2:51:46
Strong, thank you man. That's right.
2:51:48
Try my best. Thank you, strong a little
2:51:50
stronger than maybe picking a cover Three Corner this early
2:51:53
but I will definitely go on with my next pick to someone who was
2:51:59
taking from us a little too soon.
2:52:01
Yes. I'm talking about showing
2:52:02
Taylor. Sean Taylor.
2:52:04
Absolutely Legends for the Redskins while they were still
2:52:09
called, that could have been the best ever could.
2:52:13
Flying around safety, coming from Deep just taking people
2:52:16
spotted him. How about him in the Pro Bowl in
2:52:19
that hit? That was gonna bring that up.
2:52:20
So I was telling you about how it's such a big bills support or
2:52:24
back when I was in college. Their partner was a guy named
2:52:27
Brian Moorman. Now, Brian Mormon was a guy who
2:52:29
got absolutely demolished by showing Taylor on that famous
2:52:33
kickoff on, or is it on side? I forget exactly what it was,
2:52:37
was special teams play in the Pro Bowl back.
2:52:39
When they played and Sean, Taylor took his effing head off.
2:52:43
It was unbelievable. I do want to say, I once painted
2:52:46
my roommate's body, with a Brian Mormon Jersey, and at a Bills
2:52:51
game, bare, chested in the snow again, like Brady Quinn on
2:52:54
Monday Night Football. It was a terrible game but they
2:52:58
love themselves them bills over there fish.
2:53:00
But I was gonna say, you know, I call the Chargers the least
2:53:04
clutch team in football. I used to call the bills, the
2:53:06
most average team of football because they were always either
2:53:08
like six to nine wins every year.
2:53:10
They're never really liked the average.
2:53:12
The Average team until now average, when I was down, there
2:53:17
was JP lostmen era. And all he did was have a lot of
2:53:21
losses man. Let's move on to Jake.
2:53:26
Actually no. Wait, we start with Jason Tommy?
2:53:28
Yeah, Tommy. All right.
2:53:29
I think it's Tommy. Give me Champ Bailey now, Champ
2:53:33
Bailey is some people might say that one of the best coverage,
2:53:37
cornerbacks of all time would be derail revisor a plethora of
2:53:40
other guys offensively defensive back.
2:53:43
Wise can't Bailey has the most passes deflected of all time.
2:53:48
He was just one of these best, like one of the most coverage
2:53:52
guys that nobody ever wanted to build on that side of the field,
2:53:54
nobody ever wanted to even try to test him and then open field,
2:53:57
you know, he was gonna try to definitely pop you.
2:53:58
I could have sworn he snuck in with that.
2:54:00
I could just one he was still on the roster for that 2015.
2:54:03
Broncos team that won the Super Bowl but it's a shame.
2:54:06
Now he wasn't on that team, he was on the one that lost.
2:54:08
Yeah, it's exactly what it was so I could I remember him going
2:54:11
to the Super Bowl. I could have sworn.
2:54:12
It was the one where they actually won but it's a shame
2:54:15
that he never actually got to win a ring because Champ Bailey
2:54:17
for years years even his early years in Washington for years
2:54:21
was the best cornerback in the league by far.
2:54:23
So give me Champ, Bailey All right.
2:54:26
And last pick in the second round before you come back with
2:54:29
your first pick in the last round.
2:54:31
Mr. Jake. I forget it because you did say
2:54:34
safeties are good too, right? Yes, I did.
2:54:36
All right, good. I can't believe I forgot this
2:54:39
pick a little bit of a homer again, but I'm gonna go with
2:54:41
Brian Dawkins. I was considering that, like,
2:54:45
who is struck fear to someone other than I think JavaScript of
2:54:49
Troy Polamalu. Ryan Dawkins was the ultimate
2:54:52
fear Monger. You were just afraid to line up
2:54:54
against him a guy who would run all the way across the field and
2:54:58
just murder you. I've seen multi-time all pros
2:55:01
and Hall of Famer, the man. Just he struck, fear into his
2:55:04
opponents and at a time when football was a very violent game
2:55:08
and, you know, it was just so much fun to watch for me, the
2:55:11
Eagles family. He's up there.
2:55:17
Oh yeah, he was great. He didn't suck.
2:55:21
I do remember Shockey catch and touchdowns over him.
2:55:25
That's all good though you know let him know Fisher there
2:55:29
catching this past. He was a little undersized a
2:55:31
great player. Jake last pick first pick of the
2:55:34
third round your last pick. Okay, so for my last pick or of
2:55:39
the third round, I'm gonna go with a little bit of a younger
2:55:42
guy, but a guy who's been a great vet so far.
2:55:44
I'm gonna go with Marshawn Lattimore.
2:55:46
He's been a multi-time pro bowler, he was Defensive review
2:55:49
of the year, his first year in 2017.
2:55:51
Starting all, I can think about others, he's had with Mike
2:55:55
Evans, constantly getting into scrums and fights and talking so
2:55:58
much, trash, a similar to Richard Sherman, maybe in a
2:56:01
little bit more of a humble like quietly.
2:56:02
But he's been, you know, one of the most I think underrated
2:56:05
cornerbacks recently, just because I think everyone thinks
2:56:08
of the stats. He has with Mike Evans and
2:56:10
occasionally, you know, the wide receivers went out more but
2:56:12
march on loud and more, you know, she hates the fact that
2:56:14
he's with matters now, he's been such a great, fantastic lockdown
2:56:18
Corner in the league and he's gonna be, you know, whatever one
2:56:22
of the greatest corners of the 2020s.
2:56:24
Absolutely. Tommy, this is gonna be way way
2:56:29
out there, way before anybody's time on this panel of course,
2:56:32
but give me dick. The Night Train Lane for mainly
2:56:35
for just being the Pioneer. I would say as a cornerback what
2:56:40
I modern and textbook cornerback is today, really set the
2:56:42
foundation and really was the kind of guy who used to do a
2:56:47
little bit of both. Most hard-hitting ability.
2:56:49
And as well as the one of the first one guys you would see of
2:56:52
course like sort of full of quarterbacks sort of bait and
2:56:54
switch open to a to a wide open wide receiver.
2:56:57
And what am I saying? If you ever if you are out there
2:57:01
as a Madden player, I kind of fell off the Madden game for the
2:57:03
quite a couple years, but one of my ultimate teams had dicked the
2:57:07
Night, Train Lane as a Legends card.
2:57:08
I think it was like close to, like 98 overall, but one of the
2:57:12
best players and like I said, a foundation of what a cornerback
2:57:14
is today. So give me Night Train Lane I
2:57:20
mean I gotta go with this guy because he was such a great
2:57:23
guest on our show. Very recently, his name is LeRoy
2:57:27
Butler and LeRoy Butler is a Hall of Famer was a legend for
2:57:30
the Packers in the 90s. Late 80s absolute Savage out.
2:57:35
There was Ball Hawk before there were a lot of ball Hawks at the
2:57:39
safety position made it was a shore shore tackler and yeah
2:57:44
he's one of those guys that defenses had to account for.
2:57:47
Every time they played that team, they had the pass rush
2:57:50
with Reggie White and when the pass rush, got their LeRoy
2:57:53
Butler was making plays on Bad balls.
2:57:55
It was a beautiful defense, you forget about that because of
2:58:00
Brett Favre. But I'll tell you right now,
2:58:02
LeRoy Butler, was, you know, player.
2:58:04
It was a 90s. All Madden player team that guy
2:58:07
is Real Deal. Hall of Famer, LeRoy Butler.
2:58:10
Let's go to Aaron So, like I said, I don't know a lot about
2:58:17
football. So, unfortunately, I think I'm
2:58:18
gonna have to go out of this one.
2:58:19
I don't know a lot, a lot of savings in the cornerbacks, so
2:58:22
that's all. I'm gonna give one to you that I
2:58:25
attempted was to say, but I wouldn't dare do it.
2:58:28
His name is Jason Sehorn. And Jason Sehorn was a stud
2:58:33
until he tore his knee on a pre-season kick return.
2:58:37
But before that, he ate your Eagles, lunch, every single
2:58:43
game, you are gonna go with that back and watch the tape.
2:58:47
Go back famous interception on a tip ball, where he was on the
2:58:50
ground. Popped it up to himself stood up
2:58:52
and took it to the house, one of the best highlights history.
2:58:57
Absolute stud. Also married to Angie Harmon.
2:59:00
You guys are too young to know who that is job is and what she
2:59:04
was but not know, know that at the time it was like a big deal.
2:59:08
Oh, you know, the Law and Order woman is married to Jason
2:59:11
Seward. Oh yeah, she is us, really a
2:59:17
very cool. All right.
2:59:18
So Jay, we're going to give Aaron Jason C, right?
2:59:21
I don't think that's gonna be enough to win though.
2:59:23
Speedy. All right.
2:59:24
I'll stay in the NFC East. We'll go to a different era.
2:59:26
Darrell Green, when a guy that was an undersized Corner that I
2:59:29
think was one of the fastest Corners at that time is special.
2:59:32
When you didn't have a freak athletic Corners yet in the, in
2:59:35
the 1917 and 1970 1980s, tremendous longevity.
2:59:39
So, and I think he played, I'll put up until that 2000 team.
2:59:43
Kind of the end of that Joe Gibbs, era type, but seven, 1716
2:59:47
17 years. He played at corner and played a
2:59:49
very high level for quite a while.
2:59:50
I think one of the most underappreciated ones I got to
2:59:53
go with, Daryl green. And to finish up the round job.
2:59:58
I'm gonna go. In the same aspects of kind of
3:00:02
what's Speedy did. Steve Atwater, good choice.
3:00:08
Play ten years. Won three.
3:00:12
Super Bowls. And was kind of just one of
3:00:16
those guys. That did what he was supposed to
3:00:23
be good at, right? And he was that, dude.
3:00:27
He had numbers. He went in the Hall of Fame in
3:00:31
2020. And I just, I can't I can't go
3:00:36
against these old heads. Because it wasn't as physical as
3:00:42
those other guys. but Steve Atwater was able to Guard guys
3:00:48
and do the things that he did. He had. 24 interceptions. and,
3:01:00
had over 1100 tackles Like sounds.
3:01:05
I just I but it is a lot. and I just, I love like those guys
3:01:13
that are just like I may slide under the radar.
3:01:18
But I'm still a dude. And he's still all the same are
3:01:21
fit. Me is give us the show.
3:01:24
Our friend Christian remember, Steve, Atwater pretty well.
3:01:27
Oh, I bet he would. Oh man, I bet he would have
3:01:32
asked him about the next time. Yeah, Zach you are the king from
3:01:35
last time we played with you. Therefore based on your
3:01:38
completely arbitrary, absolute Powers.
3:01:42
Who are the two people moving on to the next round to the house.
3:01:46
I just want to say, firstly, I'm kind of surprised.
3:01:49
No one took him Chancellor. I don't know, maybe that's just
3:01:53
a young kid in me, but I have the two and I'm gonna go with
3:01:58
Tommy and Speedy. I mean, Ed Reed.
3:02:02
You can't go wrong and read, I mean arguably the greatest of
3:02:05
all time. They they give all the best
3:02:08
ones. You you got to give us some love
3:02:11
like to get some old one. He's the king though.
3:02:14
You know what I mean? Like, damn.
3:02:15
I know Steve, its 20th century once.
3:02:23
I finish your explanations act, but, Ed Reid, obviously, one of
3:02:27
the greatest, he's all time, probably be greatest of all
3:02:29
time, and then I had to look up Dick Lane.
3:02:31
I never heard of him, he is the NFL record for interceptions in
3:02:34
a season. So I feel like that's just got
3:02:36
to go. I feel like that you gotta pick
3:02:38
them and then Speedy, lot, Rod, Woodson, and Darrell Green, are
3:02:42
you really all the greatest like Ronnie a lot?
3:02:44
One of the greatest shows of all time, Rod Woodson one of the
3:02:47
most first title DBS ever and then Daryl green.
3:02:50
I mean he's not I looked him up again because I don't know who
3:02:53
he is, he's known for his speed, he shuts down he shut down wide
3:02:56
receivers for around two decades like.
3:02:58
So I feel like it was kind of easy going with Tommy and
3:03:02
Speedy, so I just got to go with them.
3:03:03
All right? We don't have to enjoy the
3:03:05
ruling powers of the king. We just have to obey, and we
3:03:09
will now move on to the next round.
3:03:12
And it's just gonna everyone else who didn't make it in pop
3:03:15
your cameras off and we will get into round two.
3:03:20
Which for this game will be. If it's going to let me load,
3:03:24
here we go, the joust. Our finalists will compete on
3:03:28
the best, Super Bowls. Of all time.
3:03:33
Arbitrary. What you mean best you have to
3:03:36
explain it. Therefore Zach you need to be
3:03:38
really. It's not so much about which
3:03:40
game. It's also their explanation.
3:03:43
All right, so let's get to that cam for it right there.
3:03:47
And let's start with whoever you feel like should start King's
3:03:51
Act. I'm gonna I'm gonna Speedy
3:03:56
start, I like Speedy, I like Speedy's knowledge of the game.
3:03:59
I want to hear what he said. All right, I'm speeding I'm
3:04:02
gonna start with, I'm gonna judge it based on the quality of
3:04:04
play Cowboys Steelers Super Bowl 1976 I was mentioning in our
3:04:08
previous debate with arrow. Like I've been thinking one of
3:04:10
the 1976 Steelers, one of the best teams I run on the Cowboys.
3:04:13
I was talking about Drew Pearson last week and that 70s offense,
3:04:17
so go along with a defense too. That was loaded up front for the
3:04:20
Dallas Cowboys, very close back and forth, game throughout tons
3:04:24
of Hall of Famers, on the collectively growth of both of
3:04:26
those teams. Yeah, a Legendary game for sure,
3:04:29
Tommy. All right, so completely
3:04:32
non-biased Giants fan with this situation, but it has to be the
3:04:37
2008. New York.
3:04:38
Giants defeating the undefeated. New England Patriots.
3:04:43
Listen, listen, listen, listen. That team was absolutely loaded.
3:04:48
There was no stopping that team, regular season, or postseason
3:04:52
come. I know Jake is in up, is a
3:04:54
little bit upset about that one, but look, Come that season.
3:04:57
Come that Super Bowl. Everybody had the Giants written
3:05:00
off as a fairy tale. It was it wasn't even a thought
3:05:03
that the that the Brady with all the Randy Moss LED, his New
3:05:06
England Patriots, the Stellar defense that they had, was gonna
3:05:09
have no problem with running away with it.
3:05:11
Not only is it the Best Cinderella run of all time.
3:05:16
You can't say upset without saying the 2008 New York Giants.
3:05:20
It went from even have the infamous it from the infamous,
3:05:24
Eli Manning surviving that. I don't know how he got out of
3:05:27
that. Sack saying it up to David
3:05:29
Tyree, also plexigo Burris with the amazing, catch the end to
3:05:32
seal it. The best upset of all time and
3:05:35
like I said, someone the best Cinderella runs all time.
3:05:37
The 2008 New York Giants. Cinderella Story indeed Speedy.
3:05:43
All right, I'll go with all the one that unfortunately Leroy
3:05:46
Butler's team could not come through him, but the Packers
3:05:48
against the Broncos that's Super Bowl.
3:05:50
I say John Elway with a heroic, leap to get into the Red Zone.
3:05:54
Terrell Davis that big back and forth game.
3:05:56
He had that almost 200 yards or 200 yards game and that one,
3:06:00
Brett Favre. Always putting up the numbers he
3:06:02
put up with that. Amazing receiving car.
3:06:04
We talked about with him with Sterling Sharpe, and Antonio
3:06:06
Freeman. Those guys, it was just a great
3:06:08
back and forth game 3127 final at the Broncos and the Packers
3:06:11
one of those instant Classics in the late 90s.
3:06:15
Tommy, I'm gonna stay on the topic of undefeated teams and
3:06:19
I'm gonna do it with the only team that went undefeated in all
3:06:22
of all, the NFL season and go with the 74, Miami Dolphins,
3:06:27
this team after I'm sorry, not the 74 the 73 Miami Dolphins.
3:06:32
This team, after being denied a Super Bowl of the Year
3:06:35
previously, to the Dallas Cowboys like Speedy mentioned
3:06:38
72. 72, the 72. I'm sorry this season of 702.
3:06:43
Yeah, the 72 season. Basically, there's no denying
3:06:47
that, that team was just stellar, and that's very
3:06:51
stellar. And, of course, went up against
3:06:52
a heavily contested with many people thought was gonna be, you
3:06:55
know, some of an upset at the time.
3:06:57
One of the biggest, the biggest upset for the watch and Redskins
3:07:00
possibly doing it over the Miami Dolphins, but the Miami Dolphins
3:07:03
proved that they were the only team of course to like I said
3:07:06
going to feed him and really is only the measuring stick of, you
3:07:10
know, what a team should really want to do every single season
3:07:14
of an NFL season. So, Give me the undefeated
3:07:16
dolphins. Speedy.
3:07:19
All right, I'm gonna go with one.
3:07:20
I forget if it was you or Errol, that went with it, when you guys
3:07:22
did it for pound for pound. But I like that that Ram's Titan
3:07:26
Super Bowl obviously too expansion team, not expansion
3:07:29
teams, relocated teams at the time.
3:07:30
The Saint Louis Rams greatest show on Turf.
3:07:32
My first choice for the best offense in NFL history last week
3:07:36
and then that Tennessee team, obviously Eddie George a
3:07:39
tremendous defense, Steve McNair that defense that, that defense,
3:07:43
that they move over from the Oilers.
3:07:44
They couldn't never get over the hump, they kept losing the AFC
3:07:46
Championship or the second round of the playoffs at the back
3:07:49
collapse against the bills, officially when the Oilers and
3:07:51
first year, going over to Tennessee and they're very
3:07:53
close. And obviously the meat after
3:07:55
winning the miracle, the Music City Miracle, they were one yard
3:07:58
short. I mean, it was a thrilling
3:08:00
finish throughout a 23 to 16 back and forth game.
3:08:02
So a very underrated one because I say the Rams until recently
3:08:06
only that's their one Super Bowl but I think for the storyline
3:08:09
and the players in that, that's a good one to go with that. 99
3:08:13
2000 season with the Rams and the tit.
3:08:16
Finish it up Tommy. So since Phoebe just took my
3:08:18
pick, I'm gonna actually go with some.
3:08:20
This was sort of some, what touched on the last king of the
3:08:24
hill, with arrow actually here. But I'm gonna go with the 1997
3:08:28
Denver Broncos season more specifically.
3:08:31
This is the first, of course, of course, they went back.
3:08:32
I was Speedy already took that one Packers Broncos?
3:08:37
Yeah. Oh I know, you said that one.
3:08:38
Oh, that is my apology. But you know what?
3:08:41
I'm actually gonna go with one that's enough recent memory.
3:08:43
I'm gonna go with someone. That's BD actually.
3:08:46
Mentioned with the same, Kurt Warner LED team.
3:08:49
I'm gonna go with the Pittsburgh Steelers and Arizona Cardinals.
3:08:52
I think that's a very underrated Super Bowl in this sense.
3:08:55
I don't want to say underrated, but that is a very underrated
3:08:58
Super Bowl of recent memory. I would say, for the sense of
3:09:00
you had Ben Roethlisberger, taking it to the Arizona
3:09:04
Cardinals, Kurt, Warner LED where he really just found
3:09:06
himself a team after getting let go of the New York Giants and
3:09:10
really revolutionized the Cardinals going into the season,
3:09:13
of course dumb. And the Eagles were the ones
3:09:15
that of course, emerged out of the NFC as the last two teams.
3:09:17
In them, of course, beating the Eagles, the old 29 win teams in
3:09:21
the Conference Finals, which is kind of funny.
3:09:22
But yeah, you know, just, that was just such a classic that we
3:09:26
can ever have on a with Kurt Warner and Ben Roethlisberger
3:09:29
going back and forth. And one of Harrison, with the
3:09:33
longest interception, the return for a touchdown in a Super Bowl
3:09:36
as well as Kurt Warner tying about or getting the late back
3:09:41
with San Antonio homes. One of the greatest catches of
3:09:44
all times and probably the greatest catching to win a Super
3:09:47
Bowl. Give me the 2008 Pittsburgh
3:09:50
Steelers winning. The Super Bowl that year.
3:09:52
Give me that Super Bowl. All right, Zach, who are you
3:09:55
facing? So they're all good choices.
3:09:58
I love. I love penis knowledge of the
3:10:01
game. I love Tommy's choices.
3:10:03
Um, It's tough. It's it's really tough.
3:10:06
I mean, Tommy. He has the greatest team of all
3:10:09
time, record wise, and winning the championship wise, and then
3:10:12
Speedy just has a lot of knowledge in the game.
3:10:13
It's kind of intimidating. But you're the king, I am the
3:10:19
king, I am gonna choose, however, because he said, my
3:10:22
favorite Super Bowl of all time. I'm gonna choose Tommy because I
3:10:25
love, I'm an Eagles fan, but I love the Steelers and Cardinals
3:10:29
the Super Bowl because I mean, I always rewatch a who was it?
3:10:33
Was it it wasn't. It wasn't Antonio who called the
3:10:36
touchdown Tony Tony in the corner.
3:10:38
That's who I thought it was, okay.
3:10:40
I wasn't sure though, but that catch, I think is one of the
3:10:43
greatest catchers of all time. So I was gonna go last week.
3:10:46
I know, I, I didn't, I wasn't here last week, but I was hoping
3:10:50
that was one of the greatest catches that you guys talked
3:10:52
about. But I'm gonna go with Tommy, be
3:10:54
just because he mentioned my favorite people that I've ever
3:10:56
watched. All right, everybody come back
3:10:59
in. We are now gonna be the voters
3:11:01
for this round. Yes, you're absolute monarchy is
3:11:05
over. Zach.
3:11:05
This is gonna be constitutional. We're gonna vote on it and David
3:11:09
Tyree had the best catch ever. Yeah, that was the first one.
3:11:13
I brought up that route. Yeah, so that that was last time
3:11:16
green. We're going to have a little bit
3:11:18
tougher topic for round three. Guys, I want to know.
3:11:26
Who are the best offensive linemen in NFL history.
3:11:31
Yes. A topic that I know very well
3:11:35
that I may have been angling for finals that I would dominate if
3:11:40
I was ever in it, but I would like to hear from the two of you
3:11:43
guys King. You decided if you go first or
3:11:46
second, I'm gonna go second. I want to hear what's?
3:11:50
Yes? Oh, all right.
3:11:53
Tommy. Well, I'm gonna have to take a
3:11:57
guy who just recently retired from the NFL.
3:12:01
I'm gonna have to go with Jason Kelce center of the Philadelphia
3:12:06
Eagles. Of course, now Jason Kelce as
3:12:08
the easily go down as one of the greatest centers of all time.
3:12:11
Jason Kelce really was, I wouldn't say a matriarch, but of
3:12:15
course, one of you guys behind the tush push.
3:12:17
Of course, that was over there. That's why I wouldn't say that.
3:12:21
But, you know, patriarchy, I'm sorry that you're, you just call
3:12:26
them a woman. Oh, patriarchy, whatever, you
3:12:29
know what, you know what that means, right?
3:12:31
Whatever whole point is, is that the grandma like big momma, you
3:12:35
just called them big mama. Well, he's the big mama without
3:12:38
pushing Jalen hurts his ass into the end zone.
3:12:40
So hey. So look.
3:12:43
Jason Kelce really Stellar guy on the field and really Stellar
3:12:46
guy off the field. Nobody could really ever say
3:12:48
anything negative about him. He was really that go to leader
3:12:51
on the team as a lineman, really just the leader of the offense
3:12:54
and really helped really Morales, guys.
3:12:56
Not anybody has anything to say, negatively about himself?
3:13:00
What a great teammate of overall, and what, one of the
3:13:02
best centers of all time. As it makes me want to throw up
3:13:04
in my mouth as I'm saying that about a eagle.
3:13:08
All right, whatever. Hey there, I'm gonna go with
3:13:12
he's not retirement, go with Jason Kelsey's teammate.
3:13:15
I'm gonna go with Lane Johnson, I forget when he was drafted but
3:13:19
crazy I said of all time not of the Eagles in the last five
3:13:23
years later that was everybody covered in the Eagles right now.
3:13:28
Like what I mean? What All-time Dwayne Johnson.
3:13:32
I mean, he's what? Like about lineman you didn't
3:13:35
talk about Neil Smith. It's all right.
3:13:37
No, let them go. Let them go.
3:13:39
All right. Well shit, I'm sorry.
3:13:40
But um, like Lane Johnson is what like 356 and he's still one
3:13:45
of the best, probably the best. Right?
3:13:47
Tackle in the league right now. I mean, he shuts down every he
3:13:50
shuts down like a Parsons. He shuts down.
3:13:52
Nick Bosa. He shuts down everyone and he's
3:13:56
just a dominant player of all time.
3:13:58
I think he's one of the most dominant players of all time at
3:14:00
his position. So I'm gonna go Lane Johnson
3:14:03
Terrible. What a king?
3:14:07
We Have Tommy butt, Aaron? All right.
3:14:11
I will be going with what are you the sheriff of like
3:14:17
Nottingham over here or something?
3:14:20
All right, so I'm gonna be going with one of the best offensive
3:14:23
tackles of all time and Mr. Anthony Munoz.
3:14:25
Where another guy who I mentioned a Night Train Lane,
3:14:28
another guy, Anthony Munoz on my automatic Ultimate Team, you
3:14:32
know, one of the best run Stoppers really.
3:14:34
One of the most tackles when you think of a tackle, you really
3:14:38
want to follow this model, this guy really. what all pro almost
3:14:44
every single year in the NFL and really was a big reason why they
3:14:48
went to two Super Bowls back in the day for the Cincinnati
3:14:51
Bengals. So give me Anthony Munoz.
3:14:55
All right, Zach. I'm gonna go with um Bruce
3:14:59
Matthews. He was a long time Houston Oiler
3:15:02
and tighten he played every position and on the offensive
3:15:06
line for approval at Provo level, which I never knew that
3:15:09
was kind of insane when I looked it up.
3:15:11
He's a 14 Time pro bowler, which is the most of all time on for
3:15:15
an o-lineman and NFL record seven times.
3:15:18
First, all team pro, and he also played 19 Seasons.
3:15:22
So he's the definition of longevity for an offensive
3:15:24
lineman and the NFL, which is, I just feel like he's on heard of
3:15:28
especially now in the game. Now, So I'm gonna go with Bruce
3:15:32
Matthews. All so play.
3:15:34
Matthew's Junior's uncle from not mistake, I don't know that
3:15:37
as well. A bunch of Matthews were great.
3:15:40
Football players for sure. Tommy last one, um, You didn't
3:15:45
say, Larry Allen is your first, did you what?
3:15:47
All right, well go in Larry Allen because Larry Allen was
3:15:52
just that dude on his leaf for the for a while.
3:15:55
Honestly was one of the best one of the better tackles and
3:15:58
regarded as one of the strongest guys to ever really behind the
3:16:02
line actually passed away at last June.
3:16:04
So, rest in peace for him, but really What another one, another
3:16:08
Stellar got, was really an All-Pro player for six
3:16:11
consecutive Seasons, which is very hard to do and 11-time pro
3:16:14
bowler as well, they made very well likely.
3:16:17
Very respectfully is in the Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor and
3:16:20
as well as the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the guy wasn't stopped
3:16:23
both to get past and really A very very dominant tackle
3:16:27
overall. I'm very strong man as well.
3:16:29
So give me Mr. Allen. All right, Zach last pick.
3:16:34
Then the game. I'm gonna go with Jonathan
3:16:37
Ogden, he's an offensive line tackle for the Ravens.
3:16:40
He was actually the first pick in Baltimore Ravens history.
3:16:43
He's 11 time Pro Bowl selection. He's a four-time first team, All
3:16:47
Pro selection, he's part of the 2000.
3:16:50
All decade team. Any one of Super Bowl with the
3:16:53
Ravens in 2000 and a Hall of Fame inductee in 2013.
3:16:57
So you just gotta go with Jonathan, and I feel like,
3:16:59
that's not obvious one. All right, time for us to vote.
3:17:02
I'll start off the voting again, majority rules on this one.
3:17:05
All right. This is how I see it.
3:17:08
I'm gonna ignore both of your dumbass Eagles guys, and that's
3:17:12
a wash. Munoz and Larry Allen are the
3:17:16
best tackle and guard probably of all time except I didn't like
3:17:24
the explanations. I don't think you even know a
3:17:26
single thing about Anthony Munoz, Tommy.
3:17:28
But who was his, what team did he play for the Bengals.
3:17:31
I said that. Oh, okay Munoz, I didn't get a
3:17:36
chance to watch a lot of Munoz. We did say, he was a run suffer,
3:17:39
that's what a defensive, lineman would do.
3:17:41
So because of the explanations, I'm going to go with Zach.
3:17:45
I also Bruce Matthews being a pro bowler, at every position,
3:17:48
he was on my list of guys that I would have taken.
3:17:50
And Jonathan Ogden was a generation Ahead version of
3:17:54
Anthony Munoz. You can say that.
3:17:56
Those two guys are a wash. So I'm gonna go with the Bruce
3:17:59
Matthews pick and the explanation going with, Zack to
3:18:02
stay the king. Let's go to Jake All right, so
3:18:07
Mr. Salty over there and don't listen to his nonsense.
3:18:10
These just salty that his Giants of the deal with Jackson dark
3:18:12
and he's coming. He's a wild pig for this.
3:18:17
All right, I understand, yeah, I understand, but he's more of the
3:18:19
best tackles in the league right now and you can't space that
3:18:22
despite your hatred. You can't not say that.
3:18:25
That's I understand. In terms of like yes, all 50 old
3:18:29
time I gave you guys, three picks.
3:18:31
That should be top six. No, no.
3:18:33
I I'm not disagreeing with you, yes.
3:18:35
All time. It was a, it was a wildcat and
3:18:37
then like my, I love that and I will say, they'll buy a society.
3:18:40
Yes, they shouldn't have gone away.
3:18:41
But I will say this, as much as I do love Jason Kelce, I think
3:18:45
he does get a little bit overrated with his marketing and
3:18:48
his and his character. He's, he was a great player, but
3:18:52
it was my dad always likes to say I have arguments with them
3:18:54
that he was more of a run. Blocker, he's not a great past
3:18:57
protector, you know, he's just a shorter player, so that always
3:19:00
hurt him in that sense. And I actually think I was gonna
3:19:04
go with Tommy, but I think Aaron you did sway me a little bit
3:19:06
more with the, the Jonathan Ogden pick.
3:19:09
I think. I think the Larry Allen, it was
3:19:11
really, really close for me, but I am Gonna Roll.
3:19:14
I think with Zach as well on the pick with John in and who's that
3:19:19
you second pick. It was it was a Bruce Matthew.
3:19:24
Yeah I mean playing offensive lineman for that long is
3:19:28
ridiculous and I think I think Tommy definitely got it with
3:19:31
with Larry Allen but I'm Gonna Roll with Zach as well for the
3:19:35
Eagles. Just because of the fact that I
3:19:36
think I'll see does get a little overrated because of his
3:19:38
marketing and I think Lanes, a little bit more of a solid.
3:19:41
He's been getting better player as he's aged and then yeah John
3:19:46
the Ogden phenomenal. Okay, that's two votes.
3:19:51
Jabba. How do you vote my friend?
3:19:59
I vote on the same side. I got Zach.
3:20:05
I got Zach. All right, that's gonna push
3:20:08
Zach over the over the top speedy.
3:20:11
And Aaron just quickly who you, who'd you go with.
3:20:13
Yeah, I was gonna say quickly. I love Zach, Bruce Matthews
3:20:15
explanation. That's it was tight with the
3:20:17
player choices, but that's what really did it for me, was him
3:20:20
playing them all three position. And he's the most all Pros ever.
3:20:25
It's true. Yeah, I would have been that
3:20:27
too. Again offensive line coding.
3:20:30
I could name any not even one of us so I at least let us keep him
3:20:35
up there. Let's keep us.
3:20:36
Well, apparently it's a fact. That the attempted coup by Tommy
3:20:43
who did not come through and Zack is the king.
3:20:49
Once again, we will have to have a king off in the next time we
3:20:53
play because we got a couple of Kings.
3:20:54
Let's be like, ancient Sparta where they had two kings.
3:20:56
I bet you didn't know that you learned something every day on
3:20:59
King of the Hill. Speedy, Wes couldn't make it.
3:21:04
He couldn't stay on his late. So we just have some, let's
3:21:07
parlay picks. You the Montreal pick, I
3:21:11
mentioned in the comment section during our interview that one
3:21:13
looks like it's going to hit. They're up 24 to 6 right now.
3:21:15
He had them covering the minus five and a half spread against
3:21:18
Edmonton tomorrow. 7:30, he's got the Toronto Argonauts at
3:21:23
home covering plus two and a half against the Saskatchewan
3:21:26
Roughriders on Saturday, June, June 21st at 4:00 he's got the
3:21:31
Ottawa Redblacks on the road covering plus one and a half
3:21:35
against the Calgary Stampeders in Calgary and surrounded out.
3:21:38
He's got the BC Lions at home covering plus two and a half
3:21:42
against what he calls the Patriots or chiefs of the CFO in
3:21:46
the Winnipeg Blue bomber. So, going against the dynasty,
3:21:49
taking BC plus two and a half at home.
3:21:53
All right, and there it is. Your CFL picks guys.
3:21:57
We're going to take a very quick break before we finish up the
3:22:02
show. We're going to talk some
3:22:03
baseball when we come back but first Tommy Pope's with the
3:22:07
scoop on our Sports. All right, all right.
3:22:16
All right. Ladies and gentlemen, I am back
3:22:18
once again to read you some more scores for the NFL or I
3:22:23
shouldn't say NFL, but for the job in the mouth Sports minute
3:22:25
and first off, we're in action, not gonna be starting off with
3:22:29
NFL. Like we usually do because with
3:22:30
some NBA news European Center, James nnaji, who is going to be
3:22:34
leaving the Euroleague for an NBA Summer League opportunity.
3:22:38
Now, the seven foot center from Nigeria, who is currently
3:22:41
playing for FC? Barcelona was actually drafted
3:22:44
by the Detroit Pistons with the 31st, overall, in the 2023 Draft
3:22:48
before being cut down before being cut down the line with the
3:22:52
team not gee will be leaving. Will be leaving the league, the
3:22:56
Euro league four and NBA Summer League tryout with possibly even
3:22:59
a parent. Leave the Knicks showing some
3:23:01
interest as a possible potential to pair him up with players such
3:23:05
as Mitchell, Robinson and Carlton.
3:23:06
Any towns in the center wise, defensive ball for the New York
3:23:10
Knicks. And continuing on to some NBA
3:23:12
the Kevin Durant trade saw his continuing as ESPN's shamsher
3:23:16
said that the sons are definitely going to be trading
3:23:19
Duran in the new future. It's just about if they're in
3:23:23
demands, could be met and the price threshold that they have
3:23:25
on Kevin Durant. Now the heat earlier this week,
3:23:28
also reportedly made a trade for the Phoenix Suns for Kevin
3:23:32
Durant but it got declined because apparently they didn't
3:23:35
have their demands met or the needs that they actually wanted
3:23:38
to, for Kevin Durant, as the Spurs, the rockets and all the
3:23:42
Timberwolves who have been ruled out.
3:23:43
But also ruled back in all of a sudden, as in the mix for
3:23:46
landing, the veteran forward going into his next season,
3:23:49
which will be his 18th season in the NBA.
3:23:52
Now, to finish off gonna be sticking with some basketball,
3:23:55
but with the WNBA in this matter, we have the Indiana
3:24:00
Fever who are going to be set to be without coach of the team.
3:24:05
Excuse me. It's the Indiana Fever are going
3:24:07
to be without the coach Stephanie white.
3:24:08
As she is expected to be taking a leave of absence as this news,
3:24:12
literally came just hours before the Indiana Fever, we're going
3:24:16
to be taking on the brand new WNBA team, the Golden State
3:24:19
Valkyries tonight. And although it has not been
3:24:21
specified, why white will be stepping away from the Team
3:24:24
Heads assistant coach, Austin Kelly will be stepping up as the
3:24:28
acting head coach, even commenting saying it's going to
3:24:30
be the same. I think we are, we I think we
3:24:33
are an extension of each other coach Kelly said to the media.
3:24:36
Now, the fever are currently on a two-game winning streak and
3:24:39
are going to be looking to make it to three games in a row
3:24:43
tonight. Against like I mentioned the
3:24:45
valkyrie and actually at half-time as we kick off for
3:24:48
Scoops to scores at halftime, for the WNBA between the fever
3:24:51
and the Golden State valkyrie's. Fever are actually having a 44
3:24:54
to 38 lead right now against Golden State while over in the
3:24:58
MLB. The Astros and the Athletics are
3:25:02
in the top of the fourth, with the A's, currently up to
3:25:05
nothing. And at the top of the fourth as
3:25:07
well. The Padres are up one.
3:25:08
Nothing against the Los Angeles Dodgers.
3:25:11
And as we are going to be winding down, it looks like
3:25:14
within the next six minutes or so of The Game, 6 of the NBA
3:25:18
Finals, the Pacers currently have a dominant 100 to 705
3:25:23
minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
3:25:26
Looking like, there's going to be a game seven after all and
3:25:29
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3:25:57
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3:26:00
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3:26:07
And the mouse show. oh, I love that DMX a couple year run that
3:26:27
he had that that is awesome coming back in it's it's great
3:26:33
it was absolutely great. I did get to coach a kid who I
3:26:39
believe you know the Rough Riders record label.
3:26:42
I believe the guy ran at his son.
3:26:43
I coached his son. There's a bunch of interesting
3:26:46
DMX related. Rough Riders stuff up in
3:26:49
Rockland County, New York rest is so God Rest.
3:26:52
You know, a lot of fun songs, no one will get you up like DMX
3:26:56
back in the day party up. You know, comes to mind right
3:26:59
off the bat, you know, but I did want to get into it.
3:27:02
You know, Nikki I was just texting with him on the break,
3:27:05
he's still driving back and his truck from college game.
3:27:09
So he's not gonna be able to join us for goodies bag of
3:27:11
balls. That's fine, but, you know it, I
3:27:14
did want to talk about. I had a couple of stories
3:27:15
written down. I want to get you guys have a
3:27:17
little bit more about me since I am hosting, filling in for
3:27:21
Arrow. Arrow will be back next week, we
3:27:24
Talk to Arrow. We're not we're definitely on
3:27:26
Monday. We'll figure out if we're doing
3:27:27
Wednesday or Thursday, the NBA draft is on Wednesday so we'll
3:27:32
figure out it's Wednesday and Thursday.
3:27:34
But the first round I think speed I'm not sure.
3:27:36
Is it just a lottery on Wednesday or is it the whole
3:27:38
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3:27:41
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So please keep doing what we're doing.
3:28:28
Tell some people about the show but I did want to bring up, you
3:28:33
know, arrows on a cruise ship. And I wanted to tell you a
3:28:36
couple of stories I have from being on cruise.
3:28:39
You know, I actually ended up on a cruise because I was hungover
3:28:41
called into an infomercial to buy a colander that turns into a
3:28:46
vegetable strainer a steamer. What?
3:28:49
Yeah, this is true story. So I woke up one day, I must
3:28:52
have been in my early 20s or mid-20s and I saw one of those
3:28:57
infomercial how it is like sometimes you wake up and like
3:28:59
the TV still on from last night and you see like some ridiculous
3:29:03
infomercial and then you go like, oh man, I need that and
3:29:07
you never call. You never call because, you
3:29:10
know, it's stupid. But I decided to call that time
3:29:13
and then, as I'm on the phone, they're like, oh, guess what?
3:29:15
You're gonna give you these. Great free kitchen knives, too.
3:29:18
And I go, oh my God, this keeps getting better.
3:29:21
And then before I know it, I want to Free Cruise.
3:29:24
Can you believe a job? I had won a free Cruise just
3:29:28
from calling in. Yes, the cruise itself was free
3:29:31
at the bare, minimum price. I had the fly down to Fort
3:29:34
Lauderdale. I had to then, you know, none of
3:29:38
the drinks were included. So let's just say, it wasn't a
3:29:40
free trip, but it was a cheaper trip.
3:29:43
And I did go on a cruise and it wasn't so bad.
3:29:46
I would say it was pretty bootleg.
3:29:47
I don't know how I survived some of that.
3:29:52
So the hot tub we get, there was broken, we're spending all the
3:29:56
money on drinks. I think at some point we ended
3:29:59
up like looking for like something to smoke and we ended
3:30:03
up dealing with some really shady people that, you know,
3:30:07
were walking out of by the hour motels somewhere in Fort
3:30:12
Lauderdale. It was pretty seedy Speedy, not
3:30:14
something you would have liked, it was on par with the hijinks
3:30:18
that you saw on Bourbon Street. When we were down there for the
3:30:21
Super Bowl, I'm trying to pull you in and trying to get your
3:30:23
money before you even know what happened.
3:30:25
Pretty wild on that trip. Another one I had ruined a
3:30:30
relationship, but I was in years ago, we found out that we didn't
3:30:32
like each other, because we were on August together.
3:30:35
It worked out pretty quickly. I wanted to have fun, she
3:30:37
didn't. And I wanted to eat the food,
3:30:39
that's delicious food and drink. The delicious wine that we paid
3:30:42
for and I had a great time but that's that relationship didn't
3:30:47
last very long. I would recommend though if you
3:30:50
ever go on a cruise do like the chef's table that they have on
3:30:55
the cruise because then you get like a private dinner and they
3:30:57
have wine pairings with like special made meals to you.
3:31:01
It's a little bit more money but it's I tell you, it's a really
3:31:04
cool experience, they didn't work out that relationship I
3:31:07
had, but I'll still never forget.
3:31:08
It was pretty good, pretty good meal all and all.
3:31:11
So I got that and the only other story I really wanted to talk
3:31:14
about four years ago on this day.
3:31:17
I'll see if I can't get her over here, I think she's asleep.
3:31:21
But I rescued, my wife and I rescued, our dogs Sandy from a
3:31:25
shelter in Tampa, Florida, and it was the best decision we ever
3:31:30
made. Look I know, you can go get a
3:31:32
specialty. You know, special breed of dog
3:31:35
and spend thousands of dollars and all that stuff.
3:31:39
All these dogs need need love. And the amount of love that
3:31:42
we've got him from this, dog, that We rescued, you know, I
3:31:45
can't say enough, she's such a sweetheart.
3:31:47
She's asleep right now. She's not gonna get up for me,
3:31:49
she'll get caught. She might come on by the end of
3:31:52
the show. You never know she get media.
3:31:53
I have to take her out after every episode, you know, like
3:31:56
midnight for her to like walk around for a second.
3:31:59
Maybe he maybe not and then, you know, come back home because I'm
3:32:03
done, it's time for me to walk her.
3:32:04
That's that's how it is. But I'll tell you if you've ever
3:32:08
thought about getting a dog, really looking to an animal
3:32:11
rescue shelter near you. Start there guys.
3:32:14
Absolutely start there. It's the right thing to do
3:32:17
these. That's cool too.
3:32:19
Like I will, I will say a lot of Rizzo's really good at that and
3:32:27
I was a great friend of ours. and, Yeah, it's crazy.
3:32:34
Like I've never been an animal person. that I just haven't been
3:32:41
like, I raised Bulldogs, when I was younger Jordan cinnamon I'll
3:32:46
never forget him. And I got Bailey now.
3:32:51
I got Bailey now. and it's just like, it's just it's you're 100%
3:32:58
right, it's like, there's so many of these dogs that Don't
3:33:03
and I worked the SPCA. And that and it's just it is so
3:33:10
important. because it means, So much to so many people. not only
3:33:18
just us as adults. But like our kids and stuff like
3:33:24
that. And I think that just means
3:33:27
means the world to everybody. Speedy year a dog person.
3:33:31
We know that, you know, like do you have any experience with
3:33:34
like, rescuing animals or, you know, we know he's a dog, I
3:33:38
wasn't. I wasn't the one involved in the
3:33:40
process. My family's had a series of dogs
3:33:43
over the years. When I was, when I was kids, my
3:33:44
cut, my cousin had one. Hey, can I be the arrow on this
3:33:47
of like, what about the shower session?
3:33:51
So he's saying, you know, like I literally too much.
3:33:54
I'm not the one bathing them either Java.
3:33:56
But nevertheless, yeah, my family's always had various
3:34:00
dogs. My cousin's had one that passed
3:34:02
when I was very young. My, my grandparents on, both my
3:34:06
mother's side of the family said, three different.
3:34:07
Three different dogs over the course of my life, including the
3:34:10
one that I'm with now and living with my grandmother right now,
3:34:12
three different dogs. There and my family, my
3:34:15
immediate family, we got ours in a 2014 because the owner The
3:34:20
owner couldn't she was traveling a lot, so she couldn't give him
3:34:23
really the best care that you would want for.
3:34:25
Somebody was about a year old at the time, and it was interesting
3:34:28
because when I was, this was after my freshman year of
3:34:31
college, we actually met him in several.
3:34:34
Other dogs in this dog park in, it was around Central Park,
3:34:37
around that area, we met them, play with him for a little bit
3:34:42
and a couple weeks later, we got him.
3:34:43
This was 2414, we had him and he's still, he's still on and my
3:34:48
family's house in Connecticut, ever since 11 years.
3:34:50
That's wonderful. Yeah.
3:34:51
So that's a, we didn't have one for a while because again, it
3:34:55
was, it was tough with the kids being very young at the time.
3:34:58
All my brother is being very young at the time.
3:35:00
So my youngest brother Eden, when we got our dog, his name is
3:35:05
Jake, what have been 11? At the time that we got him, I
3:35:09
was in college. And yeah, we've had him ever
3:35:12
since That's really cool man and just want to reiterate it, you
3:35:16
know, like I didn't have, I didn't have dogs growing up.
3:35:18
I didn't have any animals growing up.
3:35:20
I think my mom's best attempt at having a pet was like a fish.
3:35:24
She wanted a county fair that lived like, for 36 hours, you
3:35:27
know? So we didn't really have pets,
3:35:30
but I got to give credit to my wife Crystal, you know, she
3:35:33
really, you know, she had a dog when we first met really kind of
3:35:37
like, melted my heart and that now I'm a dog person.
3:35:39
Like I really wasn't and it's official.
3:35:42
There's no coming back from it whatsoever.
3:35:44
I think we lost job of for a second but we only have one
3:35:47
segment left tonight. You know without Errol you know
3:35:50
it's it's a little bit different when we're not going to do
3:35:53
everyone's favorite segment ain't analytics because we can't
3:35:56
do it with arrow. You know, we're okay with that
3:35:59
one would be the same and Nathan Nathan, we kind of need him for
3:36:02
moral support too, but we've got one segment left.
3:36:06
We're going to dive right now, inside baseball.
3:36:11
Now, let's go deep deep inside baseball.
3:36:19
And here we go, man. We're going inside baseball.
3:36:22
I've got a few stories to wrap up the night and I also created
3:36:25
a pretty cool little graphic here and a list that we'll get
3:36:30
into in a little bit. So here we are.
3:36:32
Yes, the Yankees win the Yankees win Speedy.
3:36:36
By the way, little known fact. One was.
3:36:39
Here's a little trivia question for you because we were talking
3:36:41
about John Sterling earlier tonight, when we had Gary
3:36:43
Phillips on what was the first usage of the famous, call the
3:36:48
Yankees, win the Yankees win because I could tell you when it
3:36:53
was first time, The first time he did it and then everyone
3:36:58
loved it. So much.
3:36:59
He never stopped doing it. I bet he does in the shower,
3:37:02
still to this day. Ya know.
3:37:04
I could believe that certain extent now.
3:37:06
I don't know the exact one, I'll guess it was.
3:37:08
Probably, I'll guess like an ALCS in the 70s.
3:37:12
I'll go know it. He wasn't, he actually wasn't
3:37:14
doing it back then. It was the 96 World Series win.
3:37:18
It was a 96 World Series one. So he was actually doing the
3:37:23
game, his color man. Michael.
3:37:25
Kay. So actually they were together
3:37:26
for a number of years and I thought they were excellent when
3:37:30
they were together that was my favorite radio group grouping.
3:37:33
I I've ever listened to, they really played off each other
3:37:36
very well. Michael K is the lead man with
3:37:38
out him it's not the same to me but obviously still you know I
3:37:42
don't know. Doesn't really care for him.
3:37:43
No job that has some opinions on Michael Kay, but when it was
3:37:46
Sterling and Michael K back in the 90s, that was a real Greek.
3:37:49
But let's get into the Yankees right now.
3:37:52
They just broke that slide Yankee snap at six game, losing
3:37:55
streak. The first four games in score
3:37:57
single run. All right, they were absolutely
3:37:59
terrible. Got a couple runs the next
3:38:02
couple of games. but six games, and they lost to teams that were
3:38:06
hovering around 500, in the Red Sox in the angels, Both the
3:38:11
teams, I believe are either a game over or game under 500
3:38:14
right now. They snapped it today. 73 in the
3:38:18
rain Salvage, this series of the Angels.
3:38:22
We heard what Gary Phillips said, he said that no one's
3:38:24
panicking. Jabba do you believe, do you
3:38:27
believe him on that one? Our guys kind of getting a
3:38:30
little you know a little flustered here in June or is it
3:38:32
really such a long season as a matter?
3:38:37
I honestly, I don't, I don't. You don't panic this orally. and
3:38:44
I know I don't, I don't think they will because they have a
3:38:50
guide that will let them panic. And I'm not just talking about
3:38:56
boonie, I'm not talking about Judge.
3:38:58
It's like they have guys around them that won't Panic, right?
3:39:04
And so they have to have that so we'll we'll see what happens.
3:39:12
That's a long season. I mean, it was bound to happen,
3:39:15
right? You know, and it's gonna happen.
3:39:18
It has to it's such a long season, they're gonna hit his
3:39:21
slide judge his batting average Speedy.
3:39:24
His dropped into the 360s now. Obviously, he wasn't going to be
3:39:27
able to maintain that crazy pace. but, as we get into the
3:39:32
All-Star break which is coming up in a couple of weeks, the
3:39:36
Yankees are still positioned in first place, despite this slide
3:39:40
What do you think? You think the Yankees are still
3:39:42
going to run away with this division, Speedy?
3:39:44
Same as that way because I got an obviously the Red Sox now,
3:39:47
trading Devers, you can't expect them to do much.
3:39:49
So let's just rally around everything and obviously we've
3:39:52
talked about the Orioles on the Performing all year.
3:39:54
So you're yeah, you're really dealing with as long as the
3:39:56
Yankees don't have like, maybe two more of these types of
3:39:59
slides, after the All-Star break, you're probably looking
3:40:02
at them being fine to at least be the number, maybe the number
3:40:05
two seed and American League. I know they are playing very
3:40:08
well right now so I always did. The Tigers have been probably
3:40:11
the best team in America League all year.
3:40:12
So it's one of those things where the Yankees I think, the
3:40:16
more the concern is trying to get those young guys going again
3:40:19
in that in the back. End of that line up that
3:40:22
started. They've all had their Sports
3:40:24
throughout the year, but just more consistency will be key.
3:40:26
Judging Goldman. They're gonna do their thing at
3:40:29
the top of the order. But we always say the Yankees
3:40:31
have enough lineups to be able to make it work in the
3:40:34
postseason. That's where those young guys
3:40:35
love to come in and including obviously, the main guys that we
3:40:37
talked about maybe trading or obviously Ben rice.
3:40:40
Kind of up and down. And recently, we're just talking
3:40:43
about with a vote by That's certainly an interesting trade
3:40:49
deadline, period. I think we're going to see with
3:40:50
the Yankees, see what they do. They make a move or not.
3:40:53
So we talked earlier About the Lakers being sold for 10 billion
3:41:00
dollars. Here's the other side of the
3:41:03
spectrum, how about a team that nobody comes to watch?
3:41:08
The Tampa Bay Rays are valued at 1.7 billion, more than five
3:41:14
times less than the Lakers. That seems.
3:41:18
Like a low number for a baseball franchise.
3:41:21
But I mean, personally, I spent three years down in Tampa job.
3:41:25
You spent more you played against them That's the stadium
3:41:28
sucks. I I lived there for a long time,
3:41:30
so I why can't they get fans to go?
3:41:35
Well, you gotta you gotta understand like I've got really
3:41:40
good friends. Around.
3:41:45
The Florida area, right? but it's like, if if I got a
3:41:51
drive, an hour and a half, they don't want to, because The Rays
3:41:57
aren't in Tampa. They're in St.
3:42:00
Pete. So I mean it's it's 30 minutes.
3:42:04
Yeah fish, you know this and as you said, But I honestly, I
3:42:10
don't. I don't think they'll ever be
3:42:14
able to, unless they actually go to Tampa.
3:42:18
But one point seven. is what they are because I love the
3:42:26
trough. But at the same time, it was
3:42:29
used for so many things. Where it was never really. part
3:42:35
of Just baseball, just baseball, Jabba.
3:42:40
I, when I taught down there, our high school graduation.
3:42:43
I think the Middle School graduation.
3:42:45
I was at, too. They were both at the trough.
3:42:49
That they were both there and yeah so they viewed those things
3:42:52
but they like they don't have high school graduation at Yankee
3:42:56
Stadium. It does it doesn't, it doesn't
3:42:57
make money. That's my point.
3:42:59
It's such a strange thing and like Speedy, you see the games.
3:43:03
You just see, empty seats, no matter how good they are.
3:43:07
They've been the best team in the AL East and still don't
3:43:11
really get fans. I remember going to a raise
3:43:14
Tigers game. They both teams weren't great
3:43:16
that year, but I got seats right behind home plate behind the
3:43:19
meshing, and those luxury seats that a Yankee Stadium.
3:43:23
Those are going for five figures.
3:43:25
I think I spent 50 bucks. On that seat.
3:43:30
I just don't understand why people.
3:43:33
I mean, people love Love baseball in Florida.
3:43:36
I mean, all of the pre-season training, all the minor league
3:43:40
teams it's all down there. Everyone's there, Steinbrenner
3:43:44
Field. Is a cross from where the Bucks
3:43:46
play. It's alright.
3:43:48
It's it's now where the razor playing and now we're the razor
3:43:52
playing, right? It's I just don't, I mean, at
3:43:56
least I understand this year why they might not get a lot of fans
3:43:58
because of the weirdness with the stadium playing at a Yankees
3:44:01
facility. Right?
3:44:02
Where The Punchy? Yankees minor league teams also
3:44:05
play. So it's not great but just talk
3:44:08
about the trop I I don't get it now Speedy.
3:44:12
They're gonna sell this team because I think they want to
3:44:17
move this team. There have been trying not to.
3:44:21
But the city doesn't want to pay up and they had that hurricane
3:44:23
when they said they were going to now.
3:44:25
They can't So it's going to take a few more years until it's even
3:44:28
serviceable again, the trop for them to play in. once you think
3:44:33
the MLB wants them to get the team out of there, now, Yeah,
3:44:36
they're like you said to well-rounded of a team like,
3:44:39
well wrong, like the small Market, well, oiled machine for
3:44:43
the last really seven years. I had their stretching 2018 or
3:44:48
so, when they were very well run too, and For a team that's that
3:44:52
well, run and create develops. Players as well as they do like
3:44:56
not being able to keep them and they finally get one they could
3:45:00
keep and he has all these issues with off the field and getting
3:45:04
arrested. And now all the sudden it's
3:45:06
gonna be. Yeah, now it's just gonna be
3:45:08
very hard for you. Just get an image in his
3:45:11
baseball today where you're seeing all these really free
3:45:14
spending teams, like we talked about with the Dodgers, earlier,
3:45:15
with the Deferred money with the Mets at all, the money they
3:45:18
spent. It's just very difficult to even
3:45:20
just be a middle Market team. So, yeah, it seems inevitable,
3:45:23
but they're gonna have to try something because it's just not
3:45:27
working for them there. They're good.
3:45:28
Hockey Community with the lightning.
3:45:30
They've French Canadian population down there.
3:45:32
They're pretty good with football.
3:45:33
But again, just baseball as good, as well as a team, they
3:45:36
have been. It's just it's very difficult
3:45:38
and there's enough Southern locations.
3:45:40
If you want to stay Southern where they could be like
3:45:42
Nashville, where that could work with all the college, baseball
3:45:46
and Tennessee, you can get back that kind of thing to work.
3:45:48
We had one of the first guests we had during the pandemic was a
3:45:51
guy who was Rick, something that was trying to petition the MLB
3:45:54
to Charlotte that something like that, could work, there's
3:45:57
enough, Southern markets, where that could make an interesting.
3:46:00
For them to be able to move and again, they're gonna get a
3:46:03
better fan base in there and Tampa.
3:46:06
It's just puzzling that fan base because they're so gung-ho about
3:46:10
their lightning and it's the same fans and they just don't
3:46:13
show up for baseball and, you know, it's a baseball State.
3:46:15
It's just it's just really tough to understand.
3:46:18
I don't think Major League Baseball has figured it out yet
3:46:21
either. So let's move on to the next
3:46:23
one. Here's a fascinating story and
3:46:26
Nick Castellanos. This was a few days ago.
3:46:29
He's benched by manager. Rob Thompson for the following
3:46:32
game after when he was pulled for defensive purposes.
3:46:36
Late in the game, made some inappropriate comments towards
3:46:40
his coach that I'm assuming and weren't taking so well.
3:46:45
So he benched his ass. That's really fascinating.
3:46:49
You don't see too much of that, you know, it was like real
3:46:52
punishment for stepping out a line and Rob Thompson.
3:46:55
As you know, everyone thinks is a really good manager.
3:46:58
He was a Yankees bench coach for very long time.
3:47:01
And now, you know, he was with Girardi when they took over
3:47:05
there, and he's been there now, and he's done well with that
3:47:08
Phillies team. The fact that he's going to, he
3:47:11
has the confidence in himself and the standing to go to, like
3:47:15
I would say, an aging former star.
3:47:17
I don't, I wouldn't call Castellano Sistar anymore and he
3:47:21
certainly not a good defensive player, he'd never was a great
3:47:23
defensive player, right? So now that he's, you know,
3:47:27
they're taking him out laying the game.
3:47:28
How dare you have anything to say to the manager?
3:47:30
He's just trying to do what's right for the team and probably
3:47:33
Speedy. He's being told from up top,
3:47:35
isn't he? You would think because I think
3:47:38
Rob Thompson is also one of those more, I guess Brotherhood
3:47:41
tight managers on a great job with these players, hence why
3:47:44
everyone seems like the Phillies that are kind of unconventional
3:47:47
compared to a lot of the other top teams in baseball have been
3:47:51
so successful kind of out of nowhere.
3:47:53
Remember when Bryce Harper signed over there in 2019, they
3:47:56
were supposed to be this really good team on paper and they
3:47:57
under well for a few years. And then 2022, Allison, they
3:48:01
randomly go to the World Series and they've been very well just
3:48:04
put together ever since then but they're kind of unconventional.
3:48:07
I forget who was one of our guests that was joking about.
3:48:10
Okay. In the Phillies actually catch
3:48:11
the ball with how their position player defense and that's just
3:48:13
kasiano like obviously Bryce Harper where his issues Kyle
3:48:17
schwarber, forgot in the Outfield, there's a reason I
3:48:19
mean they're playing Shore in the Outfield.
3:48:21
I know there's they're all butchers out there, right?
3:48:24
Reese Hoskins. A first, wasn't that good?
3:48:26
Like they have a bunch of defensive liability throughout
3:48:29
that line up, but again, they've made it work.
3:48:30
It's just, I'm conventional the way they've done it, but there
3:48:33
are Brotherhood that Casey owners is a great culture guy.
3:48:37
He's not going to be traded, he's not going to be caught for
3:48:39
this. He's not going to be like it's
3:48:41
not going to be any more discipline than just.
3:48:42
Yeah. All right maybe just bench for a
3:48:44
few games like they love him there and it's gonna stay that
3:48:46
way. And there's a reason this
3:48:48
Phillies team is still very strong.
3:48:49
Despite again they didn't bear. They couldn't make any off
3:48:52
season moves because they were salary cap or luxury tax close
3:48:55
to it going to the offseason but there's still a very good thing.
3:48:59
Java. We were just bringing up that
3:49:00
Rob Thompson, benched Castellano.
3:49:03
After he bitched at him for pulling him for defense late in
3:49:07
the game. You have it.
3:49:08
You have any memories you know obviously Rob Thompson was a
3:49:11
long as a long time. Girardi guy was there with the
3:49:15
Yankees for a long time. I I'm impressed that he has the
3:49:18
confidence in his standing there, to do that to a player
3:49:21
like Castillo's. Everybody knows Castillo's, not
3:49:24
good defensively at this point in his career not that he was
3:49:27
ever a great defensive player. Number was I played with him in
3:49:31
Detroit. but I will tell you one thing about Tom's, Tom's doesn't
3:49:40
take no shit. To tell.
3:49:42
And he he is one of those dudes like I played in the game for a
3:49:50
long time. I played in the game a long
3:49:53
time. And I'm very fortunate for that.
3:49:57
But I will tell you Thompson is a dude.
3:50:01
That will not. Stand for any of that.
3:50:07
It's like if you want to come in me, come at me but he's gonna
3:50:11
tell you, he's gonna tell you. and if you don't like it, so I
3:50:17
don't know how you're gonna accept it. but, Thompson's great
3:50:22
and I I stand by whatever Tom does.
3:50:29
Because I think it's a very that's a baseball guy.
3:50:36
He's one of those ones that we've talked about so many times
3:50:39
where He's a baseball game like this is, this is what we do.
3:50:47
I don't care about numbers. I don't care about shitt.
3:50:50
I don't care about this. I don't care about that. if you
3:50:54
aren't good for a team and you're, if you're going to try
3:50:58
and get on me, No, that's just not gonna happen.
3:51:05
I supported 100%. I loved it.
3:51:08
I I just loved it as a coach. You don't see enough of guys
3:51:13
like that that just don't just like no.
3:51:15
This is the way we're gonna do it.
3:51:16
You're gonna step out of line for sure.
3:51:18
Look, I say this to kids all the time.
3:51:22
Look, you're allowed to have bad days, everyone's allowed to have
3:51:25
bad days, agree. You're not allowed to take that
3:51:28
bad day and make it everyone else's bad day.
3:51:31
You know, now you're affecting other people try to try to bring
3:51:35
it back down and look you mess up, sorry, go home.
3:51:38
Take a shower try again tomorrow and that's all it was, you know,
3:51:41
take it. Take a day off cool off and
3:51:44
that's what we're doing, but but that's fine, right?
3:51:48
That's so I think so we'll see what they do with castillano
3:51:51
because if he gets traded I think we know why I think we
3:51:54
know why. So let's keep moving.
3:51:55
We're almost done with the show. This one I don't want to spend a
3:51:59
ton of time on but you know if you were following there was a
3:52:03
minor league or for the Orioles who died in the jet, ski
3:52:06
accident Speedy, you're telling me a little bit about, you know,
3:52:10
just go through a very quickly. I unfortunately, all of us, I
3:52:16
think know someone who has gotten hurt badly either on a
3:52:19
jet ski or four wheeler, or trike.
3:52:24
A family friends. You know, we lost we lost one of
3:52:28
our best ever pitchers. In a boating accident, like, I
3:52:33
don't. I don't want to cover this
3:52:35
because God. I wish I would have had Jose,
3:52:39
Fernandez. For as long as we could have,
3:52:42
had it. because he was so great but man, I don't like this for
3:52:48
me just Especially now being on this side of the fence and not
3:52:53
on the other side of things. All right, I just dang it.
3:52:58
It. Sucks.
3:53:00
Man, the kid had his whole career ahead of him.
3:53:02
His whole life, he was 19, 19 years old, you think you're
3:53:05
Invincible when you're 19 speedy.
3:53:09
I'm gonna ask you this question because I feel like as athletes,
3:53:13
you know, when you're playing and it happened to me younger
3:53:16
because I wasn't a great athlete but you find out you're not
3:53:19
Invincible the hard way. All of us still, you know, that
3:53:23
you're just not Invincible job. I had the elbow you found out,
3:53:25
you're not your arms, not invincible.
3:53:28
Speedy, have anything like that where, you know, you had that in
3:53:31
your life, where you felt like you could do anything and then
3:53:34
wait, maybe not. Yeah, that's the same.
3:53:36
That's the same extent of a lot of these athletes too.
3:53:39
And like you were saying with, in this case, you're dealing
3:53:41
with a lot of guys from island nations to that's just like,
3:53:44
yeah. Alright, I'll go back and I'll
3:53:46
go jet ski and just sucks what ends up happening.
3:53:48
Obviously, it's difficult in those Caribbean Waters.
3:53:51
I like trying a lot of different things.
3:53:53
I wouldn't say I was ever invincible.
3:53:55
And anything, was that kind of like physical strength, the same
3:53:58
level, obviously, you have fun? Yeah, it seems like a good
3:54:02
thrill. I never done jet skiing.
3:54:04
But again, a lot of these, these water activities differently can
3:54:08
be risky, especially in that area of the world.
3:54:11
So everything that's there but I unfortunately, just accidentally
3:54:15
very sad for 19 year old kid, It's sucks, man.
3:54:19
Like I I just wanted to mention, you know, shout out his family,
3:54:23
you know, gives them, you know, our thoughts and prayers and you
3:54:26
know, it's not much we can do for that.
3:54:28
And I know, I know from our perspective and whether they
3:54:31
hear it or not, understand the like, as Somebody that is.
3:54:39
In the baseball family. I want them to know that, like,
3:54:43
I I'm sorry, it sucks. My son is 19 years old.
3:54:52
And I want you all to know. Like, I know that there may be
3:54:55
things that we can't do, right? But I want you to know that
3:55:00
we're thinking about you and, and we love you and we do.
3:55:05
And I do. because, When I saw that I was like, gosh, dang it.
3:55:11
That's stinks man. It's stinks.
3:55:14
It's like I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine in my life.
3:55:20
Losing my son before I'm 40 and he's 19 trying to do what he
3:55:25
wants to do in. Put you guys in a In the best
3:55:30
position in. man, I couldn't I couldn't imagine that's so I
3:55:36
want them to know and I don't know if it's ever going to go
3:55:39
and do anything, but Gosh, dang it. it's It's sucks.
3:55:50
I'm putting know he lived for a purpose. he lived for, More than
3:55:57
what you realize. and I've kind of realized that since I lost my
3:56:03
father, I hear you, man. Listen, let's move forward from
3:56:09
it. I didn't want to spend too much
3:56:10
time. Let's get into some highlights.
3:56:11
How about that? Yeah, I got two highlights here.
3:56:13
Zach once you put the one up that you have right here on just
3:56:18
getting into some some Yankee throwback highlights.
3:56:21
Who does this play? Remind you of, here's a play,
3:56:24
the Jeremy Pena in the hole? Oh I mean, if you're Yankee fan
3:56:28
that's the Jeter jump, throw done perfectly. if I've ever
3:56:33
seen it, do you realize how good Jeremy Payne is in this year?
3:56:37
He's currently second behind. Bobby would Junior in war for
3:56:42
shortstops in the entire and defensive placement.
3:56:46
Yep. He has been fantastic and it
3:56:49
hasn't been just defense job but he's been pretty damn good
3:56:52
offensively. He's probably one of the bigger
3:56:55
sleeper guys that people are not really focused in on right now,
3:56:58
but he's becoming a real guy, he really is.
3:57:02
He had that breakout when he first came up, kind of had a
3:57:04
lull, I think he's for real. And now this play My goodness.
3:57:09
Let's talk about Gunnar Henderson for a second and this
3:57:12
effort by by laureano. So he gets that ball.
3:57:15
Rhonda is going for two. Look at this tag.
3:57:18
Oh my goodness, Java. I don't know if you saw this
3:57:21
play. Have you ever seen?
3:57:24
this type of play for Middlefield there and it goes
3:57:26
right, here comes Know. Look blind.
3:57:30
Swipe gets him out of second on so you but you gotta understand
3:57:34
like that, like, we get to where we're at for weird reasons,
3:57:39
right? We get to where we're at for
3:57:43
weird reasons. because we're just, Instinctively good at what
3:57:49
we do, right? And just sometimes you can't
3:57:54
explain what they do. But they've all been putting
3:57:57
this position. Look at where I pause it.
3:58:01
Look at that. Like Gunnar Henderson.
3:58:03
Looks like he's doing like the Sean Michaels, stretch groin,
3:58:07
stretch thing. And the crazy part about it is
3:58:11
the dude runs and wearing number 602, unfortunately, not a lot of
3:58:16
fast 60s out their job, right? You look at me, I wasn't a fast
3:58:22
60 too. There have to do a spinning tag
3:58:26
like that job. Look goshen's pretty damn good,
3:58:30
man. Yeah, they I mean they need to
3:58:33
pay him. Or they're gonna, they're gonna
3:58:35
lose him at some point. But that's that's another topic
3:58:39
for conversation. Yeah, we get into that next time
3:58:41
guys. On the last thing we're gonna
3:58:43
talk about I made because the first half is almost over, I put
3:58:47
up like a, like, how football does have an all-in all pro
3:58:51
team? I gave you an all MLB team and I
3:58:53
did it in order of War by position.
3:58:56
So there were a bunch of really good, right fielders, but I only
3:59:00
took the top right field only took the top catcher and it's in
3:59:03
order not by position by the highest Ward and it shouldn't
3:59:06
surprise. You, Aaron judge Topps this
3:59:07
list. Number two, and three might
3:59:09
surprise you because it's not show.
3:59:11
Hey, ohtani, and Bobby Witt Jr. It's it's the big dumper.
3:59:15
At catcher, Kyle Rowley and PCA Peak Pro Armstrong.
3:59:20
The center fielders dominating. Obviously, a lot of the a lot of
3:59:24
its defense for Pete, Crow Armstrong, look Cal Raleigh's,
3:59:27
my goodness job at what I got. To be honest, you he's the
3:59:31
breakout Player of the Year, in my opinion.
3:59:33
I knew he was good. Nobody thought he was this.
3:59:36
It's it's not a breakout player because he hasn't done it.
3:59:39
Like he's he's been around the league.
3:59:43
But like to hit like 1000 Ops, he just it's it's over a
3:59:47
thousand, it's like 10:09 or whatever.
3:59:52
But at the same time it's like the dude's been in the big
3:59:55
league, like let's let's not act like he hasn't been doing it
4:00:00
right. And you see some of these other
4:00:03
guys. and it's like, We know what we're gonna get, but what
4:00:09
like. So I'm gonna ask you this
4:00:12
question. When you put this together and
4:00:16
obviously, you're great at what you do.
4:00:20
What is your standard of seeing what it is?
4:00:24
On the one I simply went by F4, which is fangraphs war for that
4:00:30
for the position players for pitching.
4:00:33
I was a little bit different. I mean, it's pretty obvious.
4:00:35
I could have put crochet in there as well.
4:00:37
Skins I think has been a little bit better when it comes down to
4:00:41
splitting hairs like that, you know, that that's how I did it.
4:00:44
But Cal Raleigh job at his highest career, Ops before this
4:00:49
year is 774, Last year, it was 7:48.
4:00:54
To jump up to 1,000. That's unbelievable.
4:00:58
That does not happen. Speedy, can you think of a guy?
4:01:01
You know, non-steroid error guy, non, Brady Anderson, 50, home
4:01:07
runs out of nowhere guy, that's done something like this, right?
4:01:11
You're gonna need something like your random 40 home run breakout
4:01:14
type here for that because you the other thing the factors into
4:01:17
the Ops getting that up. Higher is for one thing, the
4:01:22
other extra base hits that are going to come.
4:01:24
Getting on base. A lot more overall.
4:01:26
Which rally is done better? He was kind of that.
4:01:28
All right, he was a power hitting catcher but struck out a
4:01:32
lot of hit 220 and wasn't great overall.
4:01:35
When it comes to like getting on base enough and stringing, those
4:01:38
other hits together. And now the that's going into a
4:01:43
one point which is on her for a catcher as it is and maybe some
4:01:48
of those like lighter hitting middle-infield.
4:01:49
There's like those are only really reserved to first,
4:01:52
baseman in those power getting out there.
4:01:54
And I want to remember, I did it in order which means that Cal
4:01:57
Raleigh has higher War than everyone not named Aaron.
4:02:00
Judge in baseball, including all of the pictures So that's that's
4:02:06
I mean that's that's literally fair.
4:02:08
I get a fish what you're doing? and I get what Speedy saying,
4:02:14
too, on the other side of it, it's like yeah, you see from one
4:02:18
side of it and it gets We're gonna talk about it right now.
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Do I think he's going to be? The lead guy know because he's
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just not that Duty either. like, he's just he's not like How do
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we in? And that's a thing that I say is
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like how do we like if he is that guy, right?
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And he goes out and does what he's doing right now.
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How do you Market him? How do you do that?
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That's all major league baseball cares about how do you Market
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that cuz you're not marketing Seattle.
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Anyways, Well, what if your nickname is the big dumper job?
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I guess you do commercials with JLo or something like that and
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you try to get yourself famous. I would And I would love that.
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Let's go through the rest of the show.
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James Wood, the Washington study youngster, is the best left
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fielder in baseball right now. Yep, he has all sorts of power
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at another two home runs if I'm not mistaken last night.
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So yeah, first base was a coin flip between Peter Lonzo and
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Freddie Freeman. Also slightly higher right now
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with opiates plus and War just very slightly.
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I think he'll probably get overtaken by the end of the
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year, but had a great start to season and Brendan Donovan at
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second base. Second base, sucks this year, he
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has a 2.4 War. It's the highest after.
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I think there's one guy with the two war and everyone else is
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like one and a half or not. Second base is brutal.
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There are really no good. Second, baseman, primary second
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baseman out there right now and Donovan. and he's been blowing
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it out as a cardinal, and a lot of people were really Excited
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about the Cardinals now. So it's just a little weird.
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Some good youngsters on offense. There's just their pitching
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house. Question.
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I like some of their guys, I think they're a year away, at
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least on that line up. And I think they need to add a
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real arm, but I think there, that's, I think they're on the
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way. I certainly think they're on the
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way up a guy, who's all the way up.
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Is Terry school? Oh my God.
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Another win. Today, the front half of the
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double header. The guy has a three and a half
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War. We're not even half.
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We're halfway through. June, he's best pitcher in the
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world Pauline's second. Pauline's got a three War.
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He's got a sub 2 era, he strikes out everyone.
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He just plays on a horrible team.
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Just plays on a horrible team, they're just a terrible.
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Ownership management of how you want to do something and build
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around a guy. Really bothers me even talking
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about negative things about the, you know, kind of adding nowhere
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about the Pirates all season. It's just shocking well because
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it's true, the true right? From like the bricks of the fans
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bricks that they took out of the stadium because they're stupid
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you Just said, we thought the White Sox the last three years,
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old story is coming out with them where the model of what not
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to do for an MLB team. Now the Pirates might be taking
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that title. I I love I love that you put
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Rammer in, because Jose Ramirez is the most underrated.
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Best player in, and I will tell you this, I've played this game
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a long time. Jose Ramirez is the best
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underrated player and all of baseball.
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And all of baseball. And the war doesn't like, I
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mean, he's sitting there, Sixth in War of out of like different
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position players. Now, look guys like Fernando
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tatis Jr. He's a right field or so he
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would have had higher War than Jose Ramirez right now.
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But as far as by position, got to put Jose Ramirez on this.
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I'm saying as a whole like, yeah, we could look at year to
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year, right? And that's kind of what we do
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because we analyze this stuff and this is what we do on the
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show. but, He is literally the most underrated person because
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he doesn't care. He was my locker partner right
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now on the road. When I was in Cleveland. and,
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You know what makes the best players too?
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They don't give a shit. He's like, I got my 100 million.
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I'm good. But I hated facing him.
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Sure. And I hated every part of what
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he because it, it was just, it was a shity at bad.
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Because I'm like, I got a, I'm gonna throw seven eight pitches.
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And either I'm gonna walk him or he's gonna get ahead.
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I'm like this isn't Fun. I guess not fun.
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To play against though, you know, job, but you and you were
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when you were playing, you were real lethal in the pain.
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There's a guy who's dominating and he's been dominating this
4:07:45
league for years now and eventually we're gonna have to
4:07:48
start talking about him for some accolades after his career keeps
4:07:52
going this way, it's Josh hater, the best reliever in baseball
4:07:55
speedy. Is there anyone even close?
4:08:00
as a closer at this point, not this year, hater has been He had
4:08:06
the one down here when he came up last year with the Astros,
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see that rough start to the year and it took a little while ago
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and then I think he had a little bit of a bladder.
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Actually first got traded to the Padres but his entire career
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beyond that has been as lights out as you can get for Stuff
4:08:19
wise and strike out rate and just per Innings, like, he could
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stretch, he's not just, he could be like, Beyond like super
4:08:29
closer. Like, he could you guys, you
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guys don't remember, when, when I retired, I was with the
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Brewers. Yes, Josh hater was right next
4:08:39
to me. Yeah, and hater.
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He borrowed my dip all the time. and then he became what he was,
4:08:47
and I told him and this this something stupid that I that I
4:08:55
hate about social media. he posted something on Twitter when
4:09:01
he was like, 17 years old. sat right next to me.
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Right next to me. He had to deal with that.
4:09:21
And I'm like, man. This shit we did at 16.
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Who the hell gives a shit? But now you're fuking talking to
4:09:32
him and I'm like, what are we? What are we doing?
4:09:35
I love haters haters. My dude, haters my dude. and I'm
4:09:44
I'm so proud of him. I'm so happy for him. and like,
4:09:49
I always I always hate. When like dudes don't praise
4:09:55
other people, like I hate that. Hey.
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Why can't you give love where love is deserved?
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You know I'm saying? Like Why can't you do that?
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And it's like, yeah, I didn't play that long and I didn't do
4:10:11
what hater did. But I'm never gonna hate on that
4:10:14
dude. Like freaking a I was.
4:10:21
Part of it and I was an honor to be a part of it.
4:10:25
Like I just it doesn't make sense to me.
4:10:28
I remember that story when that came out and they went back into
4:10:31
his really old Twitter. Yeah.
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And his old Twitter. Yeah, you know, that's a shame,
4:10:36
you know, but look why he is. Now, the guy is the best clothes
4:10:39
are in baseball. He keeps it up for another few
4:10:41
years we can start. First of all, he's not the best
4:10:43
closer you if you really want to.
4:10:46
Best closer is Chapman right now, so I, so when I compare the
4:10:51
two of them, Chapman is number two, it's for sure.
4:10:54
Oh, it's like, why is number one?
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He's just behind him. It's almost okay.
4:10:58
He slightly behind him. Okay, and that, and honestly
4:11:03
Chapman's been playing Amazing this year, as I know from my
4:11:05
fantasy team that I made sure I grabbed him because he was
4:11:08
cheaper than hater went for a lot of a lot of.
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And the crazy thing is like, I don't agree with a lot of things
4:11:18
that Chapman has done. Whatever.
4:11:24
But I also can't believe everything I read write.
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But the dude is still doing it. He's got their man.
4:11:37
You got to give credit. He's literally like his I
4:11:44
literally sat here and looked at it. and I was like, His
4:11:49
differentials and everything. He's the best in his career
4:11:53
right now. Bestest grid. 39 years old.
4:11:57
It's crazy. Absolutely crazy and that's the
4:12:00
type of stuff crazy stuff that we get on our weekly Edition and
4:12:04
that's what we talked about of inside baseball boys.
4:12:09
And that's it. Can the music can the overlay,
4:12:13
boys? It's been wonderful.
4:12:15
Thanks, everybody that came on and helped out tonight.
4:12:19
Our interns have been fantastic without Errol.
4:12:22
Doing, putting up the videos, putting up the graphics.
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Really can't say enough about Jake.
4:12:27
Aaron and Zach. Thanks boys.
4:12:29
You know King's that they were fantastic, another great job
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Arrow will be back next week before we take off just want to
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shout out. Gary Phillips, one more time,
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New York Daily News, Yankees beat rider was amazing with us.
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We got anybody for Monday night yet.
4:13:00
We do for Thursday, Nathan, South.
4:13:03
Nathan getting us a TJ. Ward for Thursday, exercise.
4:13:06
That's right. Champions safety.
4:13:07
He'll be on for Thursday. Nothing yet for Monday.
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Some definitely some Aspects over.
4:13:11
There's a Nick guy that was interested in coming on.
4:13:13
I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get Uh, Kyle Peterson for Monday to
4:13:20
like basically just cover. Unless there's the game Monday.
4:13:25
Over the College World Series. That's that's awesome.
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