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Making Monsters: Bears v Saints Preview · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, welcome back everybody to another episode of Making Monsters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Taylor Doll and I'm joined today by Ben Devon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've probably seen him on Twitter at Chicago underscore NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ben, I appreciate your time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know we're coming off a pretty fun win in hoping that continues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hey, looking forward to more of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep it going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, so let's start with that a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a preview for the next game, but I do want to talk about maybe some of the things that went right and wrong in the last game and expectations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest thing is the run game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The run game got going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Andre Swift had his best game as a Chicago bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what are your thoughts on that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a fluke?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like they figured out a way to get this fall on the ground working a little bit more?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are your thoughts on that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I know that they put a lot of time into that running game and I know that is a very key in the offense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, that's been something that, you know, we've been looking forward to for a bit now, but I will say that it's it's a good sign.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good sign.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been working on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good sign.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not only the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think jelling a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I will say that I saw on a couple occasions, it seemed like the commanders were almost daring the bears to run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you saw early in that game that that first fourth down conversion, the bears are trying to go for and, um, I think the bears kind of expected, um, Washington to line up, you know, but a heavy front, but they were in, they were in a very light nickel package and they kind of were expecting the bears to throw on that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I think throughout the game,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the bears took advantage of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good thing and I think the bears, you know, have done a great job doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you hope that it does continue because that's going to be key to keep and Caleb Williams upright.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be his best friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah and that's what we've had that conversation it's been the it's also just been kind of that little extra seasoning of Ben Johnson's offense when you have the that run game going and it takes pressure off the quarterback that's one thing that we we always talk about in the NFL as a whole the offensive line that's another part of it they looked they look good he still got sacked three times but they looked a lot better and and a lot of situations obviously the run game being a part of that but the obenedet getting his first start at left tackled
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the things he was doing, taking on double blocks, especially down the stretch that final drive, he was a big piece of that being successful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what are your thoughts on the line?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you see this Theobinida and Darnell Wright as the book ends continuing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for the season, what was really big was you didn't see, you didn't see a lot of just wide open pressures from the tackle, from the tackles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And especially in Darleau with Wright's and you know major penalties.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now you had that one on Theo Benedict, which was a big play over turn to touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was a little suspect, I think, but other than that, I think, you know, that's kind of what you're looking for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's gonna really solidify the line
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we saw Jonah Jackson lined up on the injury report that they released yesterday, hoping that's not the case because I do feel like Jonah's gotten better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Game by game this season and you use that word, Jill, it's such an important word with offensive linemen as they're time together the more in sync they'll get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you want to try and get those starting five out there and keep them healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see how that looks, but when it comes to some of the other things, we're seeing some criticism on Twitter when it comes to not using DJ more enough and why does Zacchaeus have
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[SPEAKER_02]: more targets than DJ Moore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are your thoughts on that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's just been keeping his creativeness and unpredictableness?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it DJ?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think that is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, it's hard to say because this goes back beyond Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, last year, DJ Moore, I think his numbers were down a quite a bit, you know, playing with Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think this precedes a little bit of what Ben Johnson's done, but I mean, it was a little bit
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, some wide receivers in free agency, although not, you know, a plus to your to your wide receivers, but then you go out and you spend your top two draft decks on a tight end and a receiver.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it kind of shows there's a little bit of at least a changing of the guard to some degree and there's got to be, you know, a new coaching staff's going to put their own stamp on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, I think DJ Moore's is a great pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he's a good player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the bears are going to use him and need him, especially the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but, um, I think, you know, you can kind of see just some of the imp, just the fingerprints of at some point, you know, um, I don't know with their, with the high salaries of DJ Moore and Cole Comet when you have these high, high draft picks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, you want to see them produce and that's going to be key, especially the the back half of this season to see where they're at, especially with with what their roster is going to be going forward here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we saw this last the coming into the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was talked about a lot how high of a number that Ben Johnson uses 12 personnel this last game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was very high 11 personnel and I want to say it was like 80 something percent is the stat I read that he was in 11 personnel this last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Roman Dune Day was blocking a time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw DJ Moore making some blocks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They was using a lot of wider severs out there and multiple different ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw multiple ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get catches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this is, and this is just kind of a prediction because I think Ben Johnson still trying to figure out this offense and see what really works for Caleb and every all, you know, the personnel he has now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But do you see that shifting a little bit that 11 person now, working or do you think that that's a game by game thing and it just worked against
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, stuff to say, I mean, we don't have a large sample size of Ben Johnson here and you know, even looking back on the lions offense, he said it's going to be completely different said it's going to be based on the person now and you probably saw a lot that more because Colson lovely was healthy, you know, he back with the team and they do want to get him more involved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that that's going to be a lot going forward and if you look at, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: his numbers compared to comets and even even adding in Luther burden to a degree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the rookies are going to be leaned into and they need to, they need to show their talent here as a season progresses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that'll be very key.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think you should expect if you got two healthy tight ends and two very important playmakers on your team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're going to see a lot of, you know, those two tight
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's look at this weekend a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of storylines when it comes to this bare Saints game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The big one, Dennis Allen, obviously returning to his former team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one, Caleb Williams beat out Spencer Rettler in college.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's another story line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot that we can talk about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's posting the record against the Saints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they've lost like seven straight against the Saints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Going back to 2011, I believe it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of ties.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think one thing we can say that has happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So far, the season is some of the boxes are being checked
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[SPEAKER_02]: hovering over the bears in a negative light, the roadwinds that was part of it, you know, back to back roadwinds now, that's something that you can be excited about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's fourth quarter come back when, you know, it actually winning the games at the end with blocked field goals and made field goals rather than it being in reverse and the bears losing that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of things we're seeing kind of shake out that is different than what we've seen those last few years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you're hoping that continues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're hoping that you could break the Saints streak right now, but for you,
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is the X factor for the bears?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does this game look like for the bears to be able to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just start with the offensive side of the ball offensively.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do they have to do to beat the Saints?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Saints, their struggles are primarily, their defense has really struggled, given up a lot of points and yards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they've been pretty good against the run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that their number on the seasons,
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[SPEAKER_03]: three, three and a half less than four yards of carry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so they're in the upper half of kind of keeping teams down, which is surprising for a one in five team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You expect them to be run on a lot in games they're down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they've done a good job against the run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's going to be really the key how well the bears can continue building on what they did last week and continue to run the ball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been susceptible to the past.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they've given a 14 passing touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're one of the league leaders there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I expect Caleb Williams to come out, have a good game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You hope that it's not one of those trap or let down games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But there I think they're just looking at the team and just looking how they're getting hungry for these wins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this one's back at home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're kind of in a midst of a five game stretch for four of them are on the road.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of the middle home game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got to kind of circle this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to kind of win this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't expect there to be much of a let down, you know, you hope.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, as bears fans, look at this is how we've been, you know, kind of condition the last few years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Once we start having a little momentum or hope, you know, the rug gets yanked out from under us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's scary to kind of be cautiously optimistic, but I think it's different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that the coaching staff's different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the culture is actually changing, so that you're not gonna have those big let downs and hopefully hopefully never come close to those 10 game losing streaks that we've seen in the last couple years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen it a couple times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's funny you talk about those the assistant coaches because on a podcast I did recently we talked about that like everyone from Dan Roshar Chris Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know what was happening back there, but there was a lot of issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Eric Bienamy and it's taken a little bit, but you feel like they're making things happen out here as I think was a huge hire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love what he's been able to do with no Jalen Johnson and what Tyre Stevenson has looked like to start this season has been perfect no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but you're kind of having to throw, you know, we weren't expecting to have to start a shun right out there for the majority of the season and then Kyler just coming back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think last week's show, the importance of that nickel corner in and Allen, I'm in a dinosaur and defense, so I hope that continues too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think when you talk about those assistant coaches and what they've brought it so far, it looks like he really has hit on those assistants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to offensive side of the ball,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about TJ Edwards being back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about Kyler Gordon being back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tyreek Stevenson's playing well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Both St.
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[SPEAKER_02]: D's, Bursk, and Kevin Bire have played really well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So far this season, you want to see probably a little bit more past rush, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But defensive line in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Javod Dexter's played decent, but outside of that, we haven't seen Grady Jarrett.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Turner has some moments, but they're still some, you're not getting that past rush interior.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that's kind of showed a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what are your thoughts there when it comes to the St.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Spencer Rattler?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has an arm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His arm is incredible so you want to be able to kind of control that but also you want to be able to keep them not being able to run all over you on the ground like we've seen against the bears before this Washington game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So thoughts on that defensively what is the biggest thing the biggest focus?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well I mean the bears have been excellent at taking the ball away and that's really created a lot of these last three wins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's you know that's been very big, uh, special Rattler only has
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was a little shocked at that so that it's going to come down to you know who's going to take care of the ball here and there's have done a great job turning the ball over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's really been their MO here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Dennis Allen, I think, to both sides, I think when you put a brand new offense, brand new defense, I think the first quarter of the season, usually is a big adjustment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully we're gonna start seeing even some better play down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what Ben Johnson's been preaching since the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think especially on defense, I think it's going to take, it's taking a little bit of time, but you do hope some of the higher priced higher paid players on the defensive one, really begin to step up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we've seen linebackers and secondary guys that are doing quite well, and yeah, you mentioned Tyrex Steven sent quite a switch from last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and that's obviously a big testament to him, but also the coaches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You really hope that some of the defensive linemen step up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You hope Grady's here gets back to playing and then also playing well because they've been doing a couple things with the defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've been rotating some of their players around from our turn or as well, but I expect that the defensive line, those that are being highly paid to take a step forward here in the next couple games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, before I let you go the final one, Caleb Williams, we can't leave without talking about Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a valuation of him through the beginning of this season, because there's been some ups and downs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was kind of expected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about Ben Johnson's playbook and his scheme being one of the more difficult ones, and he's going to be learning a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of motion, a lot of things happening in this playbook.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think Caleb Williams has graphs this in the beginning of the season?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so here's where we can look positively, at least I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My look positively at the SACs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has definitely improved in taking SACs, limiting them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was one he took, you know, just running on the sidelines, you know, right before half in this last game, but I think it actually helped that he kind of slid took some time off force, force washing it to take a time out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that one actually ended up being, you know, a good SAC.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you look at just how he is limited that, I think that's a big, big plus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I could have come into the ear and said, what's one thing he could fix, I would have said that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not that he's totally fixed on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes he still wants to extend and extend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, his accuracy, if he can clean up some of the accuracy issues,
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to look at it, he does have a lot of room to grow and in Ben Johnson's office, you can tell everybody watches the game, you can see he's leaving a lot of meat on the bone offensively.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there are chunk plays, there are big plays that he is missing, but I think that that grows as we get further even in this year, and I still don't think you're going to see the best version of Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: until at least you're two or even into your three.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're just early into this process and with quarterbacks it is a process and it's a long process and sometimes we get a little too impatient just because we don't know what it's like here in Chicago to have a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To actually groom and grow someone into the kind of probable player that we were we want to have, but I think second half of this year, especially by the time we start getting to November and December, you'll hope things are still improving and on the upswing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think we've talked we've talked about a little bit on making monsters before about people forget because you have just this like, okay, what's happening now is what's what's what's been happening, but you go back to the beginning of even Ben Johnson with Jared golf and it took a bit, they started one in six that season, it was slowed for Jared golf to really totally grasp that offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And your goff was in year six or seven of his career by then Kable Williams is 22 three games into his career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I do think sometimes we get a little antsy because we want the quarterback and you're like, okay, it's supposed to just magically happen and everything works when you have the right quarterback, but I do think it it's a building process and right now you're winning these games and I keep saying honestly you're a probably phantom holding call on Darnell right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: against the Vikings of being a foreign one football team right now so it's a little crazy but then in reverse you can also say you're a blocked field goal and a missed field goal away from being having the opposite record you have right now so um but everybody that's what the NFL is right now but the one score games are what it is so if you can start having that coaching staff to and the person now to win those one score games then you're doing it right because that's what the good teams are doing right now so
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[SPEAKER_02]: We will see how the rest of the season shakes out, but I think there's a lot of positives to take out early from coaching staff from Caleb Williams from a lot of the guys that are on the team now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Ben, well, I appreciate your time so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully we're celebrating another win next week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that'll be really fun to go up and be a foreign to team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having me on Taylor any time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a good one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's continue on this bears versus Saints preview.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have my friend Ross Jackson over there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys know him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll find him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He covers the Saints for locked on Saints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We chatted early in the season, Ross, about when the bear's hired Dennis Allen and kind of expectations of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to give you some kudos because you pretty much nailed it of what we've seen from Dennis Allen so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean that in good ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people are really happy with what DA's done, especially with no jail in Johnson and Kyla's just now coming back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're missing your top two corners, your top linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of missing pieces and he's been able to
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[SPEAKER_02]: figure things out and when some football games and get a lot of turnovers and do things like that on the defensive side of the ball that has really helped but I remember one thing that always kind of stuck out to me from the beginning when we chatted about Dennis and you said
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[SPEAKER_02]: People may get a little frustrated because he's a little bent don't break in the beginning of games or in the beginning of drives and then you will see more aggressiveness things you know as the as a game goes on or as the season goes on and we've seen that already there are a lot of people are like wait why isn't he blitzing we heard like he blitz as a ton and I was like let's all be patient and let's see and then this last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He blitzed a lot and we saw that and it kind of opened up some things for the bears defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we'll get to that a little bit, but I do want to chat with the Saints side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll start with Kelly Moore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The new who head coaches are going to be the biggest conversations around the NFL and what that looks like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of new ones this off season, who made the right choices, who made the wrong choices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We won't know that for a few years, but you can determine in the short period of time what
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[SPEAKER_02]: what the feelings are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for Kelli Moore, what's the vibe around Kelli and so far what he's done in New Orleans?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, he's built a really, well, first of all, thank you for the kind words.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he's also built this really incredible,
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[SPEAKER_04]: players first mentality.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's become the player's coach for New Orleans, which I think is something that's necessary right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When you're going through a rebuilds, like the Saints are, even though they don't want to say it out loud, they are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you need that kind of personnel glue, that keeps the locker room together.
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[SPEAKER_04]: While you're going through some hard times, like I expect that you'll see some players potentially traded from the Saints ahead of the trade deadline and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When those types of things happen,
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[SPEAKER_04]: you need to have a really strong unit and a really strong locker room.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's in a very good job of creating an environment where that can be fostered.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then in the the play side of things, I think that he's brought an innovative offense here in New Orleans.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They haven't really fully implemented all of it yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're kind of going slowly in terms of getting those things implemented.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think eventually you'll see a ramp up there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's already shown a propensity to go out there and get the talent that he knows that he wants for this team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that this team is totally in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kellin Moore's vision to shed.
19:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say the same thing on the defensive side when it comes to brain.
19:03
[SPEAKER_04]: It's daily who's their due defensive coordinator and defensive play collar.
19:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think some of those other things are still taking shape.
19:10
[SPEAKER_04]: But you can be patient and let things take shape when you've created the
19:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the bears know something about rebuilds, uh, the thing or two about having to rebuild.
19:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a long process of a rebuild.
19:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is the first time and it's a short glimpse.
19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know yet, but in this short glimpse, it does feel like this is the first time where it feels like it's going in the right direction.
19:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's there's some positivity there.
19:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But then there's also this thing holding bears fans back of I've been burned before.
19:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this another trick like naggy had in 2018 or you in the industry north and then everything crumbles after.
19:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So we do we know about the rebuilds, but let's talk about the the valuation of Spencer Rattler so far.
19:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's some good things.
19:53
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some obviously things to be worked on.
19:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You can say that about any of these young quarterbacks that we're talking about from the 2024 class, especially.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of them playing right now, but it's funny too.
20:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw a stat that there was like six quarterbacks that started that played at Oklahoma all playing this last weekend, which is insane.
20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't there's too a I can't think of them all, but I was like that's kind of wild Oklahoma's version of this quarterback's But the evaluation of him because we know he has an arm his arms incredible I remember seeing get obviously at Oklahoma and then once he transferred to you saw it out South Carolina You want to real all of that in and those deep explosive plays being a part of it with some other things But what are you guys seeing from Spencer so far?
20:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think we've seen a less explosive spence around there, but I don't think that has to do with spence around there.
20:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that has to do with a couple of different things.
20:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Number one is like I mentioned, you're still building that Kellan Moore offense, and that Kellan Moore offense likes layups and three pointers.
20:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably sound familiar in terms of the way that Ben Johnson does his offense too, but it's a lot of like first read and if it's not there, check it down.
21:00
[SPEAKER_04]: But if that first read is there, there's an opportunity for an explosive play.
21:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And so the Saints are kind of finding more of that.
21:05
[SPEAKER_04]: We saw the 87-yard touchdown or a sheet of heat two weeks ago.
21:08
[SPEAKER_04]: The 53-yard completion doubt field to why receiver Chris Alavay last week that opened the game.
21:13
[SPEAKER_04]: They went into the game knowing that that's the shot that they wanted.
21:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Executed it well against an unscouted look when New England sent that corner blitz.
21:20
[SPEAKER_04]: And then got Chris Alabe, one on one with a safety, you're gonna take that 10 times out of 10, right?
21:25
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think you're seeing those start to finally creep in and creep up for the first four weeks, Spencer Rattler's,
21:34
[SPEAKER_04]: yards per attempt were 30th in the NFL out of qualifying quarterbacks, and then over the course of the past two weeks, he's 10th amongst qualifying quarterbacks.
21:42
[SPEAKER_04]: It's amazing with the one explosive play we'll do for you in those games, right?
21:46
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, you're always kind of look at those types of metrics understanding your one play away, good or bad, from things shifting in a different direction.
21:52
[SPEAKER_04]: but I think that what we're seeing now is a Spencer Rattler.
21:55
[SPEAKER_04]: It's getting a little bit more comfortable in terms of his overall valuation.
21:58
[SPEAKER_04]: What I would say is that he's a quarterback that has proven that you can win with him.
22:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's on the the sort of trajectory or trying to prove that you can win because of him.
22:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that's kind of the next thing that the Saints are trying to define there.
22:10
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that it's time to maybe be a little bit more aggressive.
22:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Take the top off a little bit more of those opposing defenses.
22:17
[SPEAKER_04]: and really start to get a little bit more risky.
22:19
[SPEAKER_04]: It's okay to throw interceptions.
22:21
[SPEAKER_04]: So throughout there's only throwing one so far this season.
22:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Go out and take those risks play with a little bit more of a high variance and then see what that off it's can get going.
22:29
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a few storylines, obviously, the Denis Allen against his former team storyline, Caleb Williams, you know, beat out Spencer Reller at Oklahoma.
22:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That's another storyline.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You have the bears haven't beat the Saints and they're last seven meetings.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's another storyline.
22:43
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot that are kind of meshing into this.
22:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that it was Rochard there.
22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Dan Rochard was in New Orleans.
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there's Rochard was there.
22:50
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of connections between these two teams.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: There's this weird feeder program, whether it's one way or the other.
22:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that makes it fun, it adds extra things into a game that maybe otherwise people were kind of like, okay, you know, it's a bear's team that we really don't know what they are, it's a Saints team that, you know, there's some good and there's some bad, but people kind of see that division as the, the books division, maybe the Falcons after they beat the girls.
23:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but let's talk a little bit about the run game because that's been one of the things that has been such a focus and Chicago mainly the first few weeks was because they couldn't run the ball and they couldn't stop the run.
23:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this last week they were able to actually finally DeAndre Swift get the ball going on the ground and they were able to stop the commanders from really virtually doing anything.
23:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're ground game after they call him Bill, whatever they whatever we want to call that running back.
23:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Bill the running back.
23:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I do think that was that a fluke.
23:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that something that we're looking for for the future for the bears.
23:44
[SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to states, Camara, I mean, he's one of the guys that still people are going to talk about.
23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He has games where it's absolutely, you can't stop helping Camara.
23:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's games where maybe you're not talking about him so much this year.
23:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a 99 yard game, a 70 yard game, but just to touch down on the season, talk a little bit about that run game.
24:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think this is another one of the big storylines, too, by the way, and not only Alvin Khmera, but also his running mate in the back field, Kendrae Miller.
24:10
[SPEAKER_04]: There was some, I'll call it bad blood.
24:14
[SPEAKER_04]: I think between Kendrae Miller and Dennis Allen, and Dennis Allen never really seems
24:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Please around or about Kendra Miller, there's this weird IR thing that happened as well that caused some confusion, but I think that that's another guy that's going to be contributing a lot to the run game and we'll have a little bit of a chip on a shoulder going up against Dennis Allen's defense directly, so I'd watch for both of these guys.
24:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the Saints have to get the run game going in this one, the bears so far out throughout the season allowing 5.7 yards per carry 31st in the NFL.
24:44
[SPEAKER_04]: But like you mentioned, showed real good promise coming out of the by last week up against the
24:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Washington Commanders, a lot of different adjustments happening going into that game that I think will probably see carry through here in this game against the Saints.
24:57
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think this run game is a big part of what's got to get going for New Orleans.
25:01
[SPEAKER_04]: That's when they've been at their most successful.
25:03
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, you know, they won their game up against the 20, I think at the time of the 29th ranked run defense with the New York Giants.
25:10
[SPEAKER_04]: They won there or they're not one, but they competed in a way that we didn't expect up against the Buffalo Bill, so at the time,
25:16
[SPEAKER_04]: one of the worst rushing defenses in the NFL 30 or 31.
25:20
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's got to be a big part of or maybe even you might say the cornerstone or the hallmark of the Saints attack this weekend.
25:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So I would absolutely expect them to be leaning on the running backs out of the back field, right?
25:30
[SPEAKER_04]: They like to use this short passing game as a bit of an extension to their run game as well.
25:34
[SPEAKER_04]: So sometimes those quick screens and things like that, they kind of factor that into their run game, even though this isn't show up on the stat sheet that way, but look for them to be pretty aggressive in the red zone with the run game, as well as early downs with the run game, because they're trying to get to those mixed-down opportunities on third down, that's a big part of the Kellan Moore approach.
25:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And the meshing that with the offensive line, they drafted guy, Kelvin Banks.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I was honestly pretty high on Kelvin Banks, the soft season, and I know a lot of people were questioning, can he play tackle in the NFL?
26:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he gonna be a guard in the NFL?
26:06
[SPEAKER_02]: That was one of the bigger questions with him, and then you use the St.
26:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Susan, another pick for Fwaga last year, who obviously he was drafted.
26:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've invested into that line, and then some more veteran pieces too, but how has the offensive line performed to start this season?
26:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for first round picks on that offensive line and one second round pick that should have been a first round pick in center here McCoy, but ended up slipping in that draft.
26:28
[SPEAKER_04]: They've invested big time in that offensive line and oh, by the way, they're next depth piece Dylan ratings was also a second round pick and so.
26:37
[SPEAKER_04]: they've invested quite a bit in this in this offensive line.
26:42
[SPEAKER_04]: And so you want to see probably better than what you've seen out of them so far, just being completely honest, we've seen a lot of pressure on Spencer Rather so far early this season, but they've only had two starts, two games so far to where they've actually started their full five, right?
26:56
[SPEAKER_04]: They're full starting five.
26:57
[SPEAKER_04]: and against Seattle, or excuse me, against Buffalo, you only got one half before Caesar Reeves is starting a right guard went down.
27:03
[SPEAKER_04]: So last week was really the first week, and it did look better.
27:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It did look more promising during that time.
27:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Trevor pinning is moving over from left tackle.
27:11
[SPEAKER_04]: He played it right tackle last year and how he's over at left guard.
27:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And he gave him two sex.
27:16
[SPEAKER_04]: The first time that he was out there when he got his first start, just a couple of weeks ago, and then since then hasn't given any up.
27:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So you probably want to see things get going a little bit more for that unit for sure,
27:26
[SPEAKER_04]: They seem to be trending in the right direction, and obviously the talent is there in terms of those investments.
27:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the gel word is important for the offensive line.
27:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think honestly, sometimes it's underrated how it takes a little bit of time for those those guys to really start to mesh and that's I mean, we've we've seen it in Chicago too.
27:43
[SPEAKER_02]: The four of the five linemen right now are different starters from last year.
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a lot of newness in front of Caleb Williams a good way it's good.
27:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad it's Joe Toney and Drew Dalman and front of Caleb Williams compared to what they had last year.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: But take some time and you're seeing that start at the beginning, everyone's like, oh, no, we invested all this money and picks into a line and they look the same.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And then now last week, people are like, oh, okay, maybe not.
28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is starting to adjust a little bit.
28:09
[SPEAKER_02]: They did have to make a left tackle change.
28:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He benched Braxton Jones put in Theo Benedict and that looks like a positive change is now.
28:15
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, but the offensive line, it's important.
28:17
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys need time for that to really be able to get that.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Just start to really click and the anchor your center being that guy that kind of pulls everything together.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you just need some time.
28:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's switch over defensively for a minute.
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have recognized well names on there.
28:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Cam Jordan, everybody knows who Cam Jordan is.
28:33
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that Carl Grander send another name Justin Reed, cool aid.
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: We know these names.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know how much we talked about the same defense this year, honestly.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So far, coming from the Chicago or even maybe nationally in general.
28:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's another bin, don't break defense and the unfortunate part for Brandon Saley knew that he really has the personnel that he needs for the system that he likes to run.
29:06
[SPEAKER_04]: three-four system that uses these stand-up edge russures.
29:09
[SPEAKER_04]: But typically when you have those stand-up edge russures, you don't want both of them to be pure edge russures.
29:13
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, one of them to be able to be an edge defender that can also get in the comfort, right, drop in the flats, things like that.
29:20
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I expect that to be a big investment over the course of this office because
29:23
[SPEAKER_04]: The things don't really have that player.
29:24
[SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to get guys like Carl Renderson and Kim Jordan and now Chase Young who made his return last week to be those players, but that's not their skill set.
29:33
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not in their wheelhouse, right?
29:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Those are past wrestlers.
29:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Those are guys you want going after the quarterback, not dropping back in the coverage.
29:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think there's still a lot of tweaking to be done.
29:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I expect that defense to look very different personnel wise going into next year in 2026.
29:48
[SPEAKER_04]: And so we'll see where things go.
29:49
[SPEAKER_04]: But the hallmarks of what you're going to see.
29:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess Brandon's going to be a lot of space given up by the corners.
29:56
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to see a lot of zone coverage.
29:57
[SPEAKER_04]: They want to keep their eyes back on the corner.
29:59
[SPEAKER_04]: So they can go out there and try to make some plays, know where the quarterback wants to go with the ball, know if the quarterback's trying to escape, to be able to go and try to make a play on that, and then you're going to see those stand-up bench pressures, and a lot of shifting between two and one linebacker on the field, which leaves a little bit of conversation in terms of what's going to be available over the middle of the field.
30:18
[SPEAKER_04]: And so those are the big things that I think you're going to be watching for, as a Bayer's fan, to see where things might be able to be available for Caleb Williams in the passing game.
30:25
[SPEAKER_04]: as far as the run game goes, it seems to have been trending in the right direction there, guys like the Von God Chau, as well as Jonathan Bullard have been big for them, Jonathan Bullard, of course somebody the bear if you just cannot escape in their time.
30:39
[SPEAKER_04]: But those guys have been
30:42
[SPEAKER_04]: really beneficial for New Orleans and another defensive tackle that's kind of moved over to like a three-four defensive end and Brian Brazzi, he's taken some steps ahead in the run game too.
30:50
[SPEAKER_04]: So those are some of the names that I think might stand out, but that's kind of the idea of where this defense is right now.
30:56
[SPEAKER_04]: It's where things are still kind of coming together for.
30:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember another thing talking to you when we talked in the beginning of the year and you mentioned that Denis Allen really wanted to quambrisker to quambrisker and did up going a pick ahead, the Saints ended up getting a Dante Taylor.
31:10
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the feel around a Dante Taylor?
31:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of funny because recently, bears fans are kind of like, all right, we don't know when Jalen's coming back, do you think the Saints would trade a Dante Taylor?
31:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So two part question, what do you think of a Dante Taylor?
31:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that one of the names you're saying may be in the mix for fair changes scenery?
31:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you could be, I don't think that there's a lot of untouchables.
31:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I think maybe Eric McCoy and the 2025 draft class are kind of the untouchables outside of those that are like, you know, you have some contractual limitations on some players that you just resigned and stuff like that like that, that obviously is out there.
31:43
[SPEAKER_04]: When it comes down to like a lot of say like a lot of things in a contract year, he's had conversations and they have kept lines and communication open when it comes to a contract extension here in New Orleans.
31:54
[SPEAKER_04]: But there's a mean that the contract extension is going to happen, right?
31:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And so there's a chance that he ends up like guys like Chris Alave, Rashid Shahee, Carl Granger, saying like a lot of these players are going to be in conversation over the course next couple of weeks with that November 4th trade that line on the way.
32:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I expect that they will be teams that are going to be interested in in a lot of detail.
32:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the thing that's
32:13
[SPEAKER_04]: is that the things might be picking up the phone when it rings, but they're not calling other teams, right?
32:18
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not trying to shop these guys.
32:20
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just if the right opportunity shows up and what you gain in terms of your ability to add in the future, if that matches or exceeds that what you might lose for the present, you're typically going to take those deals.
32:33
[SPEAKER_04]: So it would be that kind of a thing.
32:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Alante is still
32:37
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not that I think a long-taste is still figuring things out.
32:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Brandon's daily still figuring things out with a lot.
32:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think the return of Chase Young makes things a little bit easier.
32:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Because Chase Young is the type of player that the things don't have on defense otherwise, that other offenses have to worry about.
32:52
[SPEAKER_04]: They have to gain plan for Chase Young.
32:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And so maybe that opens up more opportunities for a long-taste tailor.
32:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Onto he did his, you know, had his patented, you know, nickel rush sack in week one and then we haven't really seen it since then.
33:04
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm looking to see if maybe they start to try to deploy him a little bit more as they face more mobile quarterbacks here throughout the rest of the season like Caleb.
33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that where he like nickel corner wise?
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that where he is all of the time?
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that where you think his strength is?
33:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's where his strength is.
33:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that in and when I say his strength, I mean, it's because he can do all the things right, he can spend the run, he can tackle, he can he can rush the passer, he can cover, you know, so it just kind of takes advantage of everything that he can do.
33:31
[SPEAKER_04]: However, I think on the other side of this, he does also in base packages.
33:36
[SPEAKER_04]: So when the seats go out there with a full only four defensive backs, he will play outside and he'll move inside probably with rookie Quincy Riley on the outside opposite Kool-Aid McKinshire when they go into their nickel sets.
33:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, and that's what I was interested because the bears obviously they don't know the timeline for Jalen Johnson right now Tyrex even since been playing well he took a big leap from last year But the outside corner opposite him is Nishon rights been playing it's been quite a bit of a struggle kind of Gordon just coming back but
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Tyler is the nickel corner like that's what he does.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a very very good nickel corner and some people are like well, maybe throw them outside because you need another outside That's like it's hard for me to take away the nickel corner and identify on defense because it is so important and what he does and a lot of things on the field And move him away from that so a lot of a I wonder I don't know if that's a bear's I don't know what they're thinking if they even want to add anybody But I just saw that name kind of popping up
34:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but let's two more for you before I let you go.
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: The Brandon Stanley, what to you is the biggest difference between him and what Dennis Allen did there in New Orleans?
34:39
[SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of it comes down to the front and how they play up front.
34:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Dennis Allen is a little bit more for three or, you know, base space for three, type of looks, leans in a lot on those kind of bigger body defensive ends, at least that's what he did here in New Orleans.
34:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you have Brandon Staley who plays a little bit more of a three four front to where you have five on the defensive line and in a couple of off ball line backers that are back there to cover into Mario Davis as well as Pete Marner and then they try to put a lot of pressure around the edge the majority.
35:10
[SPEAKER_04]: of the, like, without a doubt, the majority of the pressure that the Saints have generated the season have come from the edge or have come from the slot.
35:18
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that I think is kind of a trademark or hallmark if you will of what it is that brand and see they like to do and it's very, very different than what Dennis Allen likes to do.
35:26
[SPEAKER_04]: And it also, here in New Orleans, then it's going to play a lot more press, physical, press man type coverage is here in New Orleans now.
35:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder, Brendan, say that you're seeing a little bit more playing with space, playing with us off coverage and keeping the eyes back on the quarterback.
35:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Dennis sounds definitely a very physical, like he likes that physical calorie and everything you're seeing it and like I mentioned the takeaways at the top, but you talk about not having, I'm either of your starting corners for the first few weeks of the season and you still are stacking up takeaways and that's a combination between punching the ball out and getting up and getting that taken away.
36:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember that being something you mentioned at the top two, but so final one,
36:06
[SPEAKER_02]: From the perspective of the Saints, what is the talk about the bears?
36:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a sense of, you know, that you don't really know what this team is?
36:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it there on the rise?
36:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it they still have a lot to figure out?
36:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a lot of question marks still that even bears fans figure, but we do feel like you're heading in the right direction.
36:20
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the sense on that side?
36:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think a lot of it is looking at the bears and saying, wow, that's almost an aspirational situation for where the Saints could potentially be in a year or two, like a team that's on the right path trajectory wise.
36:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's a lot of promise.
36:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like coming out of Chicago, looking at that team and looking at the matchup, like they're the better team on paper.
36:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Chicago is to the Saints, to New Orleans.
36:45
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the trio of wide receivers there and Roma Dunze as well as of course,
36:51
[SPEAKER_04]: and DJ Moore who I know is managing injury, but that's a really, really good set of skill position players all the way down the tight end and running back as well.
36:59
[SPEAKER_04]: And in just knowing what it is that a guy like Dennis Allen can do in terms of changing his approach.
37:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, going from 50% of the defense being played with a single high safety to 70% last week up again, the Washington Commander is basically saying, I dare you to run or I do, go ahead and throw if you want to, but committing the stop and the run,
37:17
[SPEAKER_04]: and then leaping from being the like 25th team in Blitz percentage over the first four weeks to the number 14 in Blitz percentage in last week.
37:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I expect that you're going to see a lot of exactly those things going up against a young quarterback like Spencer Rattler.
37:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think that's a really, really good team over there.
37:36
[SPEAKER_04]: It's headed in the right direction, kind of reminiscent of a division mate of the Detroit Lions who went on that kind of slow upward trajectory.
37:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that's kind of the way that the bears are perceived at least from here in New World.
37:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny you say that about the like Denis Allen and how different it looks from week to week because it's kind of similar with Ben Johnson we talked about this a lot like he does He ran a lot of 12 personnel last year with Detroit and in the beginning the first few weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did a lot of 12 personnel last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He ran like 86% 11 personnel and like so all of a sudden he was like, let's switch it like let's
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[SPEAKER_02]: figure you know this isn't working as well as I want it to or Washington here some of the the weaknesses we can take advantage of and that's the fun thing because the bears haven't felt like they've had coaches who adjust mid game mid season whatever the case may be it's just kind of like here's what we have here's the product and let's see what we have in these two coaches have proved otherwise but I appreciate your time as usual as usual Ross I'm sure we'll chat again we'll have some of the reason to chat eventually I'm sure absolutely thanks for having me thanks so much