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- Lucas: Alright, episode one hundred. I wanted to do something that feels like a genuine milestone — not flashy, but something we can actually use Monday morning. Luna: Okay, I'm in. What's the angle? Lucas: Silence. Specifically, the sales rep who won by saying absolutely nothing at the right moment. Luna: You mean the old 'whoever speaks first loses' thing? Lucas: Sort of, but with more texture. There's a famous study from the early 2000s — Neil Rackham's work, actually — where he analyzed thousands of sales calls and found that top performers spoke less overall than average performers, but more importantly, they let silence sit after making a proposal or after the buyer gave a number. Luna: How long are we talking? Like an awkward pause? Lucas: Longer than awkward. One rep I heard about recently — selling enterprise software, deal size around two point three million — he gave his final price, the procurement director scoffed and said 'we were thinking more like one point six.' Most reps would jump in: 'well, we could potentially...' or 'let me see what I can do.' He did nothing. He just looked at his notes, then back at the buyer, and waited. Luna: That takes serious nerve. How long did he wait? Lucas: Seventeen seconds. Felt like an eternity to him, he told me afterward. But the buyer finally said, 'Look, maybe we could stretch to one point nine if you include the premium support tier.' The rep still didn't answer right away. He nodded slowly, wrote something down, then said 'I think we can work with that.' He ended up at two point one million. No concessions, no back and forth. Just silence. Luna: Seventeen seconds is brutal. I've done sales cold calling, and even a three-second gap makes you want to fill it with anything. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the problem — we're conditioned to treat silence as a signal that something's wrong. In conversation, gaps feel like failure. But in negotiation, silence is a pressure tool. When you stop talking, the other person feels compelled to keep the conversation alive, and they often give you more information or a better offer to fill the void. Luna: So it's not just about being quiet. It's about being comfortable enough with silence that you don't negotiate against yourself. Lucas: Right. The moment you speak after a buyer gives a number, you're essentially negotiating against your own position. Even if you just say 'hmm,' you've signaled that their number is in play. Silence signals that it's their turn to move, not yours. Luna: But doesn't it risk coming across as rude or manipulative? I've had buyers tell me they hate that tactic. Lucas: It can, if you do it in a wooden or performative way. The key is to make the silence feel natural — you're not staring them down, you're just processing. Look down at your notes, take a breath, maybe jot something. The buyer interprets it as thoughtfulness, not gamesmanship. Luna: Okay, so how do you practice this? Because in the moment, seventeen seconds feels like seventeen minutes. Lucas: You literally time yourself. Next time you're in a low-stakes conversation — ordering coffee, talking to a colleague — count five seconds before you respond. Then ten. You'll be shocked at how quickly your brain screams to fill the gap. But after a week of deliberate practice, it starts to feel normal. Luna: I like that. Start small. But what about on a phone call where you can't see the other person? Silence feels even louder. Lucas: It does. On the phone, I recommend a slightly different approach: after you give your price or make a proposal, say 'take your time thinking about that' and then literally mute yourself. That way you're not tempted to make little noises. The buyer doesn't know you're muted — they just hear silence. Luna: That's clever. It gives you permission to wait without the discomfort. Lucas: There's also a fascinating neurological reason this works. When you're silent, the buyer's brain is actively processing uncertainty. Their amygdala — the threat-detection center — lights up. They want to resolve that uncertainty, so they speak. But if you break the silence, you relieve that pressure for them, and you lose the leverage. Luna: So silence is literally a cognitive pressure tool. Okay, I'm convinced. But give me a concrete example of when silence backfired. Lucas: Sure. I know a rep who tried this during a discovery call — early stage, not a negotiation. He asked a question, then went silent for maybe eight seconds. The prospect got uncomfortable and said 'look, if you don't know what you're doing, I'm not sure this is a good fit.' That's the wrong context. Silence after a question makes you seem unprepared or unconfident. Silence after an offer or a price is power. Luna: Context is everything. So the rule is: silence after you've made your ask, not after you've asked a question. Lucas: Exactly. And one more nuance: silence can also be used after the buyer makes a positive statement. If a buyer says 'we really like your platform, it checks all our boxes' — most reps jump in with 'great, let's talk next steps.' Instead, say nothing. Let them sit in that positive feeling. Often they'll add even more affirmation, which you can use later in the close. Luna: That's almost like letting them sell themselves. I've seen that work — you just nod and wait, and they go from 'we like it' to 'we need this' on their own. Lucas: Right. It's the difference between pushing a rope and letting the rope pull itself. Now, I want to tie this to something bigger. In sales training, we spend so much time on what to say — scripts, rebuttals, value propositions. Almost no one teaches when to shut up. But the data from Rackham's study — and from every top performer I've ever met — says that the best closers talk less, not more. Luna: That's a great insight, and honestly it's freeing. You don't have to have the perfect line if you can just be present and quiet. Lucas: And before we go deeper, I want to acknowledge something. Conversations like this — the ones that help you win better, not just harder — are the whole reason we do this show. And it stays ad-free and independent because of listeners who chip in a few bucks. If these episodes have moved your work forward even a little, you can support the show at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. That's buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. A couple of dollars a month genuinely keeps the lights on. Luna: Yeah, it's a small gesture that makes a real difference. We appreciate everyone who does that. Lucas: Alright, back to silence. There's one more application I want to cover: using silence during internal negotiations — like when you're negotiating with your own manager for a discount or a special term. Luna: Oh, that's interesting. You mean when you're on the rep's side, but you need approval from your VP? Lucas: Exactly. A rep I know needed a ten percent discount approved for a deal that was stuck. He went to his VP, laid out the case, and then said 'what do you think?' and went silent. The VP sat there for maybe twelve seconds, then said 'okay, but only for this quarter, and only if they sign by the 30th.' The rep got everything he needed without having to push back once. Luna: Because the silence forced the VP to fill the gap with a decision. That's smart. Lucas: Right. The VP could have said no, but because the rep didn't fill the space with 'I know it's a lot to ask' or 'we could also try...' — he gave the VP room to say yes on his own terms. Luna: So silence works upward too, not just downward. I'm going to try that next time I need something from my boss. Lucas: Do it. And here's a final thought for episode one hundred: the most powerful tool in your sales kit isn't a script or a CRM — it's your ability to be comfortable with your own quiet. The more you trust that silence does the work for you, the less you have to scramble for the right words. Luna: That's a good note to end on. A hundred episodes of getting better at this craft, and the lesson is: say less, win more. Lucas: Exactly. Here's to the next hundred.