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THE UNSEEN TRAP OF OUR LEADERSHIP CRISIS · Apostle Lazarus Femi

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  Speaker 1: Do you reading Americans in the business of helping people.
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  Speaker 1: The Americans only care about one thing, America and Americans first,
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  Speaker 1: the American people.
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  Speaker 2: American interest.
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  Speaker 3: Jude Bella, with over two hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, an
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  Speaker 3: independent filmmaker and investigative journalist who's obsessive, months long deep
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  Speaker 3: dives into African history, geopolitics, and corruption have built him
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  Speaker 3: a reputation as one of the most rigorous and cinematic
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  Speaker 3: storytellers covering the continent.
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  Speaker 4: Today, we are having a case where even the ute
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  Speaker 4: are saying, whatever it is the one to still let
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  Speaker 4: them come.
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  Speaker 2: I help people dying.
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  Speaker 1: If you've not experienced this before, you would think the
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  Speaker 1: people calling for the intervention of the Americans, you think
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  Speaker 1: they are foolish. I don't think they're foolish. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: like you rightly said, pain can drive people to do
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  Speaker 1: anything just.
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  Speaker 2: To come out of this. Yeah, horrible situation.
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  Speaker 1: But what we are saying is that their pain is
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  Speaker 1: real and we understand the pain.
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  Speaker 2: We feel it.
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  Speaker 1: There are country people, but at the same time, we
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't hand over our home to someone we know they'll destroy.
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  Speaker 1: Our leaders are not doing well. They don't care about
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  Speaker 1: the security of the people they are leading. Ye, people
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  Speaker 1: dying have become mess statistics to life. The same thing
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  Speaker 1: will repeat whoever is placed in power by the Americans.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think poverty has been weapon nice to be
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  Speaker 4: people so weak and the reason why the government on
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  Speaker 4: the respect, Yes, we.
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  Speaker 1: Did an episode in Natural Access and we spoke to
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  Speaker 1: some people there. While working on the streets, I suffers
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  Speaker 1: hand how people were practically struggling to eat as for
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  Speaker 1: food to survive. For such people, my question is if
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  Speaker 1: a politician comes around and offer them just five thousand
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  Speaker 1: to do anything for them, Yeah, how do you prevent
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  Speaker 1: them from doing that? The northern part of Nigeria has
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  Speaker 1: the highest number of school dropouts or.
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  Speaker 2: People that haven't even been to school before.
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  Speaker 1: Poverty is not only being weaponized the Nigerian leaders. In
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  Speaker 1: Nigerian elites then know that they need to keep people
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  Speaker 1: poor for them to maintain their power. So it is
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  Speaker 1: like we have an industry an economy of poverty.
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  Speaker 4: You're saying that as long as there's poverty, people can
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  Speaker 4: be weaponized and poverty will creative soldiers. Yes, I can
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  Speaker 4: be used to fight any kind of war, religious, socio
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  Speaker 4: economic world.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, do you think that's what's happening not it is.
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  Speaker 1: In security in Nigeria is now more economic than ideological.
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  Speaker 4: You to the Classified podcast, myself and my team who've
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  Speaker 4: been working so hard behind the scene to get different
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  Speaker 4: intellectual conversations across you. We know that these conversations were
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  Speaker 4: from the basis for what will change our world as
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  Speaker 4: we know it because words from narratives. Narratives shape culture
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  Speaker 4: and this is the reason why I want to invite
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  Speaker 4: you to join you on this journey, not just as
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  Speaker 4: one who is going to view this today. I want
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  Speaker 4: to have you on board with me and I like
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  Speaker 4: for you to just do these very quick things for me.
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  Speaker 4: us to grow together as a community. I look forward
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  Speaker 4: to having you again and again on the Classified podcast
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  Speaker 4: and I can wait to see you some other time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: You're someone that doesn't need introduction, but for those who
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  Speaker 4: are interested in geopolitical conversations and matters around Africa and
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  Speaker 4: even Ninier, your voice has been loud over the past
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  Speaker 4: few years. So when I look at someone like you,
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  Speaker 4: one of the first questions that comes to my mind
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  Speaker 4: is why did you start these conversations?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I've also followed your work than the way you came
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  Speaker 1: into mainstream media or something. We really appreciate those short
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  Speaker 1: videos telling those things that yeah, people were scared too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite interesting, amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about why I decided to get into these conversations
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  Speaker 1: that I'm pushing online, it has to do first forward accountability. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: justice and accountability. These are two things that are very
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  Speaker 1: important to me and based on my personal experience with
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  Speaker 1: a law enforcement agency in Nigeria, the Economic and Financial
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  Speaker 1: Crimes Commission, I decided to get involved and see if
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  Speaker 1: we can spoil these conversations to push the authorities to
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  Speaker 1: hold leaders accountable. And we Nigerians also have to fulfill
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  Speaker 1: our civic duties which are bringing these conversations to the
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  Speaker 1: faue because it's more than just going now to vote
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  Speaker 1: for leaders. We need to hold those leaders accountable because
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the politician is an
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  Speaker 1: employee of the states and we are the states taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: Are they want paying their salaries, So they don't see
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  Speaker 2: it like that. Many of them don't feel.
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  Speaker 1: Their Yeah, of course we have turned don't turned politicians
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  Speaker 1: into sort of celebrities, which is not supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: They are if anything, they are our employees. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's their fault. It's Nigerian's faults. We made
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  Speaker 1: it that way. We sort of give them too much power.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, some people feeling you don't give them the
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  Speaker 4: power or grab it anyways, mm.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't think so. The the number one problem
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  Speaker 1: I see in Nigerian politics and governance issue is that
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  Speaker 1: our politicians are not afraid of us. If put the
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  Speaker 1: living fear of God in them, and what I mean
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  Speaker 1: by that, you should understand if they are afraid of
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  Speaker 1: Nigerian people, there is no way precedent will carry five
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  Speaker 1: billion to go buy yards when he had just removed
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  Speaker 1: fuel subsidy and people are crying for hunger crying for
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  Speaker 1: rise and transportation costs. There's no way a new leader
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  Speaker 1: that is afraid of what these people will do will
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  Speaker 1: carry money and spend on luxury. You know how more
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  Speaker 1: spent on the renovation of the Vice president House over
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  Speaker 1: twenty one million or billionaire I currently get the figures right.
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  Speaker 1: So you spend that amount of money when you are
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  Speaker 1: not afraid of the people you are governing, if you
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  Speaker 1: know that this money can build hospitals for them, it
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  Speaker 1: can spore the economy if invested in the right sectors.
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  Speaker 2: The Nigerian people.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, this is twenty twenty six, there is no
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  Speaker 1: where you go in Nigeria right now, No states you
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  Speaker 1: go to I can boost of four days of uninterrupted
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  Speaker 1: power supply, not even.
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  Speaker 2: Before Yes, which state can boast of one? Not even
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  Speaker 2: the federal capital. No, definitely no.
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  Speaker 1: So if people in the f city are so comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with living twenty four hours, sometimes they have lights up
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  Speaker 1: to like ten hours, that's all. And then they see
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  Speaker 1: the president's son riding in a long motor kit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the president's son is not even an office you know that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think we have office of the first
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  Speaker 1: Lady DOWI there is nothing like that. It doesn't add
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  Speaker 1: anything to the Nigerian economy. Yet taxpayers money are being
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  Speaker 1: used to fund this luxurious lifestyle because they are not
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  Speaker 1: afraid of the Nigerians.
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  Speaker 4: So if we're going to talk about the fact that
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  Speaker 4: they're not afraid of Nigerians, we probably won't look at
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  Speaker 4: it like this that maybe Nigerians have lost their respect
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  Speaker 4: as far as these guys are concerned. I have this
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  Speaker 4: guy that I like so much online and the father
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  Speaker 4: used to be an extual governor I think somewhere quite
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  Speaker 4: very cerebral, very sound, amazing man. And one time he
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  Speaker 4: was being insulted and that your father was part of
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  Speaker 4: those who destroyed this nation, and he said, well, my
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  Speaker 4: father was destroying this nation. He used the world your
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  Speaker 4: pathetic parent where they're shouting or gammy for some change.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think poverty has been weapon nice.
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  Speaker 4: To pe people so weak and the reason why the
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  Speaker 4: government don't respect them?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think it. Last year or two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: we did an episode in is It the Natural An
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the community exactly, and
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  Speaker 1: we spoke to some people there while working on the streets.
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  Speaker 1: I suffers hand how people were practically struggling to eat.
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  Speaker 2: That's for food to survive, deliberates.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we have mothers with three children, one infant, sitting
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the road begging for food. So
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  Speaker 1: while me and my team we went into the market
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  Speaker 1: to get some things to share for them. Before we
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  Speaker 1: could open this sack we brought, they rushed us. So
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  Speaker 1: for such people, my question is if a politician comes
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  Speaker 1: around and offer them just five thousand to do anything
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  Speaker 1: for them, Yeah, how do you prevent them from doing that?
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  Speaker 1: And then there's another thing here education. If you go
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  Speaker 1: to the north, the northern part of Nigeria has the
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  Speaker 1: highest number of school dropouts or people that haven't even
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  Speaker 1: been to school before. Right, so when we talk about
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  Speaker 1: out of school children, it's merely statistic to some people. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really understand what it means until you see it.
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  Speaker 1: So take, for example, a child is born today to
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  Speaker 1: northern family. I won't call it a family because they
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  Speaker 1: are not a family in the sense of the world.
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  Speaker 1: So the child is born today and give it a year.
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  Speaker 1: He now has a sister, two of them, and they
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  Speaker 1: are left with just their mother, who has no business.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't go to school to fend for them. Then
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  Speaker 1: she sends two of them to the road side to
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  Speaker 1: beg for food. They stay on that road side from
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  Speaker 1: maybe from the age of two, three four, They're already
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  Speaker 1: there and that is the life the child knows until
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  Speaker 1: he turns eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Mmm.
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  Speaker 1: Now that age of eighteen, he is now a man
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  Speaker 1: to find for himself. He has never been to school.
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  Speaker 1: All he knows is begging. And now someone comes and say,
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  Speaker 1: take this weapon. Let's stand on this road some people
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  Speaker 1: who pass, who collect something from them and sell and
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  Speaker 1: make more money. Isn't that going to be enticing to him?
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  Speaker 1: Now imagine this. This someone that is coming now is
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  Speaker 1: a politician driving a car they had never seen before.
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  Speaker 1: And then the politician comes with armed policemen and long
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  Speaker 1: motor kid and tells them all they needed to do
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  Speaker 1: was to make sure in the commun election he wins
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  Speaker 1: the office. So poverty is not only being weaponized the
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  Speaker 1: Nigerian leaders. The Nigerian elites then know that they need
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  Speaker 1: to keep people poor for them to maintain their power.
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  Speaker 1: So it is like we have an industry an economy
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  Speaker 1: of poverty.
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  Speaker 2: So it is that we are we are.
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  Speaker 4: It's an industry on yes, So if I understand your
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  Speaker 4: two you're saying that as long as there's poverty, people
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  Speaker 4: can be weaponized, and poverty will creative soldiers. Yes, that
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  Speaker 4: can be used to fight any kind of war, religious,
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  Speaker 4: socio economic world.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that's what is happening than not? It is?
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  Speaker 1: It is insecurity in Nigeria is now more economic than ideological.
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  Speaker 1: This more economic than ideological. So if you look at
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  Speaker 1: how Book recruits. Now, I'm not going to go into
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  Speaker 1: so much details because this is a security we are
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  Speaker 1: discussing now. But according to research for carried out over
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  Speaker 1: the years, the Book of arm when they come to recruits,
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  Speaker 1: they don't just attack any community. The attack communities that
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  Speaker 1: they have lived in. They are studied and they see
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  Speaker 1: the lack of governance, the lack of presence of any
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  Speaker 1: means of government agency. Some of these people don't even
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  Speaker 1: have police. Do I call it area commands or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: There's no presence of any sort of area council, no leadership,
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  Speaker 1: you know now all we have before Now I think
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  Speaker 1: during the time of a passenger, we used to have
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  Speaker 1: the government chairman, council wards, counselors and counselors. Now you
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  Speaker 1: go to communities in the no there's nothing like that.
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  Speaker 2: Have lived not before. No, Okay, I agree with that,
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  Speaker 2: So let understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think my father serves there for a year
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  Speaker 1: and I stayed there a few weeks. Yeah, but you
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  Speaker 1: go to communities like that that have no presence of
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  Speaker 1: the government, then this book coming. You know, you are
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  Speaker 1: communities right now, the book around collect taxes from Oh, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: they make laws for this people. So when they came
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  Speaker 1: in first time, they started teaching them, right, they came
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  Speaker 1: in the name of teaching them with the religious religion.
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  Speaker 1: And then it became something in from of a school.
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  Speaker 1: So they started recruiting young people. Yes, and then they
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  Speaker 1: started offering steepens money.
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  Speaker 2: And these people are poor.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the anowledge I gave you earlier for a child
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  Speaker 1: that has known nothing but baking on the streets. Now
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  Speaker 1: you have a group coming to keep them together as
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  Speaker 1: a community, teaching them, offering them steepens, and then it
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  Speaker 1: progresses to giving them arms. Now they're being radicalized, carrying
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  Speaker 1: out all sorts of crime. And mind you, Bocaram is
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  Speaker 1: not just in the business of bombing places.
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  Speaker 2: No, they sell drugs.
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  Speaker 1: They're involved in arm trafficking, human trafficking, even the illegal
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  Speaker 1: good minding that we care about. I saw reports was
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  Speaker 1: it early dismannd ed it last month that the government
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  Speaker 1: is naming Chinese companies as part of people sponsoring I
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  Speaker 1: llegal mining. If they go to a community like one
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  Speaker 1: in the north now and you see foreigners offering these
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  Speaker 1: people money, people are just hustling to survive, survive.
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  Speaker 4: I saw a report that there's been over been able
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  Speaker 4: to mine over three billion dollars worth of gold and
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  Speaker 4: a particular of that community between twenty nineteen and twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: It should be more. That's the are goed that is
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  Speaker 2: only reported, that's only reported.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you believe that in the areas that we have
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  Speaker 4: extreme insecurity that the mining activity is going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is the main reason. You believe it is
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  Speaker 2: the main reason. It is the main reason.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when this legal mining started, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: post two thousand and eight financial crisis when gold started
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  Speaker 1: picking up again. There was even an incident I think
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  Speaker 1: around twenty fourteen that happened in Zamfara of lead poisoning.
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  Speaker 1: We did a video about it two weeks ago. Right,
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  Speaker 1: was it little to water? No good mining? Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: this community, they were involved in this arsenal mining. But
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  Speaker 1: then the gold in Zamfara, that particular community has high
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  Speaker 1: concentrate of lead. Lead lady's poisonous to the human body.
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  Speaker 1: But these people, they don't know anything, so they just
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  Speaker 1: brought this gold sound to your compound, to your living
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  Speaker 1: quarters and were using your bare hands, using locally fabricated tools,
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  Speaker 1: your shovels, in fact somewhere using grind local grinding machine
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  Speaker 1: they used to do your normal grinds of food and
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  Speaker 1: to process these things. So they now mixed with your
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  Speaker 1: food and children died. I think close to four hundred
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  Speaker 1: children died of leg poison, the highest in record in
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  Speaker 1: human history at the time. And then when this happened,
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  Speaker 1: doctors without borders were the ones that discovered it and
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  Speaker 1: remediation efforts were carried out. Both after this incident happened,
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  Speaker 1: already we had cases of bookwaram at that time twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen writers. These armed groups now discovered that this land
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  Speaker 1: that they're fighting people killing people over is rich with gold.
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  Speaker 1: So their attention switched from may kidnapping people and killing
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  Speaker 1: people into securing this land.
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  Speaker 4: So are you saying that bookworms started like a religious
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  Speaker 4: ideology then moved to economical ideology.
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  Speaker 2: We have we have factions now. Yes, so it.
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  Speaker 1: Began, it began as a religious identity. And you believe, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that is down back back in two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: but now it's very much different.
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  Speaker 2: Difference is very much different.
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  Speaker 1: We have functions, We have the Eastwarp and the original Quorum, yes,
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  Speaker 1: all of them. In fact, late last years Eliducia, they
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  Speaker 1: were fighting themselves.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, the STI cute people.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there are so many interests involved. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: one thing, but the land, the places, they are your
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  Speaker 1: kind of their attacks, they are mainly pursuing people away
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  Speaker 1: from mineral rich regions. Also, you need to know that
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about gold, Nigerias only know about gold minding.
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  Speaker 1: Gold minding Nagia is very rich in lithium. Oh yes, lithium, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it is part of the minerals pouring this insecurity crisis.
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  Speaker 1: The government is aware of this. They cannot and.
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  Speaker 4: You believe that Western countries are of course collaborational time.
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  Speaker 2: Not in collaboration. Chinese separately doing their stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and the reason for this is you know China
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  Speaker 1: right now controls they were minerals. Oh yes, Because of this,
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  Speaker 1: the West is trying to build an alternative to China
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  Speaker 1: because they cannot have themselves depend on China for rare
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and why because of something called semiconductors. Yes, you are
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  Speaker 1: needed for your work playing everything.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I heard a Chinese one of the leaders
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  Speaker 4: said something, you know. He said, when America was going
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  Speaker 4: to bomb behind with the B two bomber to bomb
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  Speaker 4: their nuclear side, he said, they thought that nobody could
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  Speaker 4: see the plane, because that's the idea of the B
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  Speaker 4: two bomber. You can't detect it in the wad. He said,
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  Speaker 4: We detected it. We even listening to the conversations in
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  Speaker 4: the cockpit. And usually that happens when the red materials
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  Speaker 4: that they use. Also that in the production I come
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  Speaker 4: to Americans when it is not pure enough, okay. And
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  Speaker 4: the reason why China controls it because they are the
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  Speaker 4: ones that can purify to the level needed then for
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  Speaker 4: you know, war heads and some of those stuffs and
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  Speaker 4: all that.
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  Speaker 2: And when we look at this, Africa looks like a
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  Speaker 2: bull of cake.
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  Speaker 4: But every part of the world is eating from except Africa,
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  Speaker 4: except Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Africa has friends? No, we don't. What
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  Speaker 2: America is coming to apples.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I would see that this question, But do you
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: really think Americans are in the business of helping people.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know Americans. One, they are not Father Christmas.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: In fact, they will tell you it is in the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: language of your foreigner. Trump is a Christian, doesn't matter.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It needs to help Christians. Okay, Now here's the thing
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Trump is, how do I do this? Okay, let me
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: leave the Trump to fast get to that. Okay, if
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you look at the American foreign policy it is stated
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: there in black and white that it is in the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: interest of the American American interest every precedent, whether Democrats Republican,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: they live with this. Yes, if they deviate from American interests, they.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Will be impitched. Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So whether Trump is Christian or Muslim, or Pagan or Jewish,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If Trump is coming to Nigeria to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: do anything, it is for the American interest. It is
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: not to help.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: But now I want to say something quite honestly, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: these are some of the reviews I've got in Okay,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: many Nigerians are saying and I think it is concerning and.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: We really have to look at it. Okay.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: If you guys are saying that Americans coming to they're
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: not having good interests of Nigerians in their art about
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: the leaders we've had all the years. If you say
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: America are going to come, still some of our resources
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: people are dying. What about the leaders that we have,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: They're stolen more from us.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: So let them come.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: If you're going to control the entire nation, let them
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: control the entire nation. It will be safe. What do
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: you say to those kinds of statements?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And you will not be safe. And I'm not saying
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: these out of sentiments. In fact, most of these were
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: saying this and don't even know Trump. I have followed
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Trump arrived from twenty twenty fifteen when he declared for
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: presidency first time. I was his strong Trump supporter. Oh wow, yes,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: so I have followed his political journey. Right, Trump was
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: loved by the Democrats when he was not a politician.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So let's not even get into the Trump versus Democrats arguments. Yeah,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Trump is an American. What I want Nigerian's to understand
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is something called sovereignty. Right, No, nobody should have the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: right to unilaterally decide to come into Nigeria to help
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Nigeria fight its battles. Nigeria is a country, except you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: as now saying that Nigeria is now a Vasai state?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Are we We're not aha.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So if Trump decides to come in today boots on
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the ground, I will remind people what Americans have done
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in all the places they have had boots on the ground.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: None of those countries were left better off. Afghanistan, yak, okay,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: do not better? But I know what you're saying.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you I spent.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Is it two trillion, two trillion dollars in twenty years
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to remove the Taliban and replace them with the Taliban?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Isis? No? No?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Before the US got into Afghanistan, Italiban was in power.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: They spent over two trillion dollars for twenty years. And
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: when they left, who was in power?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: They specifically to the Talibans.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And now they armed them because all the weapons, everything,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: all the left, all the everything for the Taliban. Yes,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: they need to win a war, right, what a way
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to win a war?
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: You know about this Syrian it was famili an isis member?
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I think now is Syria Syrian presidents who I was
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: even for be adding at all those stories now is
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: a friend of America.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So if Sheika were to be alive, and I'm saying
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this with all seriousness for Nurgens to know what is
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: happening if Shake how were to be alive or whoever
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: is heading the book Oran functions. Now, if America decides
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that the young government is no longer aligning with your
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: interests and they will come in deliver in Nigeria from
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the Nagan government and hand them over to Chicao, that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is how America operates.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: So you are not but you are not buying that
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: that they're coming and they have any help.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: We need to keep Americans far away from ourselves.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Now we talking about that, probably most have hurt my opinion.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Around that season, it was quite loud and everywhere. Yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: let me ask this very important question. I believe one
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: of the things that has controlled us as the people
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: in Nigeria is pain the fact that our own people
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: have not done so well when it comes to leading us.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: People have died, people are suffering. The political class have
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: no mercy for the people, and it has pushed the
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: people to say, without thinking about the consequences, that if
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: we have suffered this much from the answer of our people,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: we don't mind very recolonized again. Now if we are
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: going to speak to this kind of station. We really,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: honestly and this is what I have learned, have to
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: also look at the pain of these people and the
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: fact that pain can make people speak from misinformation. And
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: how do you want to start helping these people who
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: are championing combustions like this from this depth of pain
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: they felt from their own people. They were not around
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: when their fathers were colonized, so they probably don't understand
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: the depth of what those ones went through. But now
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: this is the reality on ground. We are having a
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: case where even you are saying whatever, it is the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: one who still let them come, the of people dying,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: and if we look at it, if we see we
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: saw what happened in jos the mother all them her son.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: She will pay me a month for that boy to
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: come back alive. Recently I saw the video of a
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: man who lost his pregnant wife, I think the father
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: and about four children.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: In one night.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: So when we look at all that under the leadership
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: of our people, when you have a case where the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: president went to Josh but stayed at the airport and
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: would not even get inside, and the governor played to
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: state will not come down from his armor truck to
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: address the people. She's painful to see and to watch.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: It makes the matters on ground difficult to meddle into
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: without considering the emotions of the people and how they feel.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: How exactly can we help Nigerians at this point.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Well, to be very honest with you, when I saw
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that video of that woman, it broke my heart. If
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you've not experienced this, for you, you would think the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: people calling for the intervention of the Americans, you think
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: they're foolish. I don't think they are foolish. And like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you rightly said, pain can drive people to do anything
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: just to come out of this horrible situation. And I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: think it was twenty seventeen when I was living in Benui.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: We woke up to sounds of gun shots and it
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: lasted for close to an hour.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: It was in that year that Bari was it bor Yeah,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: he came to bury it didn't come. He didn't come.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: They did mass burier at that time in Bnui. The
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: place where the bodies were buried were just behind my
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: plot of land.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: We looking away bodies. I think they were more than
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: a hundred.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: The moment by full Assman is there or it's just
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: under functional book. It's not functional book, fullman, and they
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: are head us with cows. So this community was raided,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: burned to the ground. I saw pictures, I saw videos
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of father's children. So when I went to that place,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I saw the land.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I saw it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: You could see graves and it. You will feel it, right,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: so you wish. We cannot just write off the pains
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of these people like that pastor, is it that Tumor Okay?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: His church was burned to the ground, right, members killed.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He has had to perform dozens of mass like this.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So I understand from the perspective which they are speaking
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: from and inviting the Americans to come and intervene. But
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: what we are saying is that their pain is real.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Their pain is real, and we understand the pain. We
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: feel it. They are country people. But at the same time,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't hand over our home to someone we know
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: we'll destroyed. Our roof is on fire, we can't put
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it out. We can't put the fire out. And that
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: is why I keep saying that the solution to Nigerian
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: problem is in the hands of Nigerians. If our leaders
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: are not doing well, mhm, it's not even if our leaders.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Are not doing well. No, they're not far from it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: They don't care about the security of the people. They
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: are leading.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: People dying have become mein statistics to them. This same
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: thing will repeat whoever is placed in power by the Americans,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: because if the Americans come to intervene today, do not
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Trump will not magically become the president of Nigeria after
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: such an operation.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And can I tell you that the Americans are actually
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: on the ground in Nigeria as we speak.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yep. Since there came in, the attacks have increased this year.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: In the month of February alone, over three hundred and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: twenty one people were modeled. Three hundred and twenty one.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Now I know these numbers because these are stories I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: work on every day. And somebody asked me on my
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: commensation one time, how I'm I able to stay the same?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: If I tell you the things I read every day,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I come across every day, some of them I cannot
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: mention because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It's pathetic. It's worse than what you know. It's worse
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: than what is reported. Over the weekend, the Nigeram militarily
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: says they conducted an operation to take out Bookam Camp. Yes,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the place that was hit is said to be a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: market that was evacuated five years ago. That's the official report.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Now there are reports of over one hundred dead. Two
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: hundred dead. The government is never going to tell us.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: When did you think that more than what they are
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: telling us. I think those are civilians. Now, we did
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: an investigation for New Central when Donald Trump said that
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the Americans conducted an air strike in Soccoto. We did
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the story and I started with my MD, very respected
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: man in the media industry, Psychia Day. I can't tell me,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And he watched to the entire video and he told me, Jude,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: this is this is a very nice work, but I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: have issues. I said, what had the issues, sir? And
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: so he started telling me the level we had gone
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: to investigate this, what he was doing. I wasn't aware
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: while I was working on this story the effort he
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: had made sent people with drones to the place. That's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to the site where the strike happened. New Central exhausted
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: resources to find the strike. That is, we are looking
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: for a strike as if it was a need buried
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: in haystack.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Are you saying there was no strike? That's not what
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But we found we were looking for did
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: you did you say? We did not find it, sir.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: But there were reports of some things that happened, I
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: know in Quirre, like some buildings being blown off.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Things.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: The Americans showed use videos of a tomahawk that was
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: released from wherever?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: What'ssa New Central? New Central is media.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: We are among the best in Agia Center. Yes, we
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: tried to find it. This is America. America likes to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: take victory from where they're even losing. They like to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: celebrate as early Americans Stroke assist in Nigeria, and they
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: released only one video from somewhere where something is coming
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: out and that is all. Did you see the coverage
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of the strike location in CNN?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: No? Did you see it in MSNBC, Fox? No.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Fox News is like Trump propaganda network, so they didn't
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: broadcast it, but some videos were circulated online. I don't
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: know where they took those videos. So, but New Central
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: went there.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Because I've been stuck to.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: It was a while back, okay, and funny enough, apart
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: from the girl that was killed, trying to remember them now,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the boy that was killed for blasphemy as they said,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: spot has been a relatively peaceful place. And when the
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: US said they struck the Tomawawk missile, they said to
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: have bombed somewhere in Chokoto. And there's been quite a
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: number of unsolicited defense for the US that they understand
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: where the leaders of the whoever those guys are, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: that's why they have intelligence and that's why they bombed
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: that place. Do you think that people will give the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: US credit more than they deserve?
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: The thing is we were Hollywood is a very good
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: propaganda network.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Oh someone said it right?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Or if you there's no way you watch Hollywood movies
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and not believe in the absolute strengths curiority of the Americaay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Someone said it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: You know that the US, like they said, Holliwood forward
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: to prepare the grant for them whatever they're going.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Now, let me shock you. Yes, it is not just coincidence.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: That's every military movie you watched from Hollywood the years
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the Americans win. It is a fact that every movie
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that portrays the US military must be directed by somebody
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: from the US Ministry of Defense, now the Department of War.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Always directed by the fact, so you cannot put out
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a movie about the US military from Hollywood without the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: approval of every script from somebody from the Department of War.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Have you heard of Operation Mockingbird? No, okay, it was
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a CIA operation that was meant to control the world's media.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Where was this.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: It was during the Cold War era. So Mockingbird is
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: one of those operations where the CIA has operatives working
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: inside every news organization can think of, from the Americans
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: down to parts of Africa, even in Europe. So it
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: is almost like they're feeding stories to people. And also
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: also they got your way in to the church. I mean,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: don't shout, they got your way to the church into
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a not just the church now. Now, sometimes when I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: talk about the church, people tend to comment things on
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: my timeline like why are you always talking about the church?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Why not talk about Muslim And I reply to them
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: because I am a Christian, I'm not a Muslim. I
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: don't know how they operating the other side, right, But
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I can also tell you that the Americans fund their
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: terror groups as well. Oh yes, right, Arkada is one
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of those groups they funded in the proxy. Yes, So
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I'm saying all of these to say that whatever Nigerians
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: believe about the American military strength, it's not so true, sir,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: is not true, not so true, because if you go
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to Vietnam.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: They decimated them. They did a lot of things.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: They did a lot of things in Vietnam. They bombed
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the hell out of them. But look at the look
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: at them, and the Americans say the wonder woe, but
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: they can't.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: See the one.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Look at the tunnel, look at the masterful preparsion of
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: the beta means so just but you opened something, you
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: must finished. And when you talk about some of the
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: things they've been funding in the church, Okay, okay, So
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I think this was Duras. Was it Duras? One of
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: those Latin American countries?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: There was most of the Latin Americans Catholics.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a time that the head of
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: States those left wing, right wing stuff. So the CIA
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: was funding a rebellion movement against the States in order
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to take control of whoever was in power. Yeah, right,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: so this is I can't remember the exact country. Now,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it's one of those Latin Americans, Latin American countries that
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: this operation happened, and not just that. And then you
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: talk about the assassination of JF. Kennedy.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Come on, now, I mean, I think now it's the
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: class right, perhaps of.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Its parts of it very states, it's the states right.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: So this is a country that we know their track record.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: They can make you believe anything that wants because what
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: they are after his power. And can we talk about
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Iran yep Okay, look at what is happening in Iran
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: right now. The Americans, right from the time of Henry Kissinger,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: one of their most notorious Secretary of States, they had
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: known that they needed to control Iran, right but all
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the presidents from that time they knew so well not
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to invade Iran because they know what it will results to.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Even if you win. If you winning here means stoppling
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the government. If you are able to remove most yes,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: if able to remove the government, all you will be
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: left to it is another Iraq, which is isis.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Now breeding grandfather terrorism again exactly.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So it was always going to be diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Henry Kissinger loves war.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: This man lived for war, but he advised against invasion
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: of Iran. And then we have a Christian loving president
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that wants to come to Nigeria and deliver Nigerian Christians
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: from a religious war siding with a baby killing regime. Yes,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: also Nigeria's need to know that the Nataia they are
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: calling to come and save them is the war criminal
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and not just war crimes. Now he was in what
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm i even saying was he's still on the indictment.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: In Israel, President Trump is pressuring the Israeli government to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: wipe his slate clean because is Tromp's ally. Trump can
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: go any length for his friends that are quote unquote
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: lawyer in his own words. So the moment you turn
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: against Trump, he will do anything to bring you down.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So watch out for when Trump and BB will flash
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: this alliance.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Who will end you need to crumble.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: At some point they are going to ravel themselves because
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the war they cannot win is the world they cannot
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: okay now, yesterday the peace talks and then in statement
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: no no no resolution now and Trump that was so
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: eager to reopen the strait of hormones is now the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: one going.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: To blockad it. It's said to.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Never ship, yes to blockade somewhere he has been agitating
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to reopen.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: But Trump is trying to get China to come get
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Venezuela oil.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: The whole Venezuela and Iran war is always about China.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: It's not even about saving the protesters.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: The benefits from they will benefit from it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: No, he is about China.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, Iran controls I think the third largest energy reserve
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: We're talking about both crude or and natural so China.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: China gets its oil from Iran and Venezuela. Right, And
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: now that China is controlling the way it's minerals, the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: US need to have some form of leverage over China.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: So if US can now control the oil in Venezuela
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and the energy in Iran, it leaves China with only
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Russia as an ally to want to Yes, so they're
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: trying to cut China where it hurts. And China, you
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: know of this Belt and Road initiative, right, The BRI
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: has been able to link the entire world together, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it is something the US cannot just sit by and watch,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: which is why they launched the Loobito Corridor something in
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Africa to get access to the minerals in the are Congo.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: We're from celebrated the win that he ended in the world,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: but shook hands with Kagami and only for two weeks
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: later twenty three years bombing again. So I'm saying all
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of this to say that the Americans only care about
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: one thing, American interest, American interest. So the first question
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I want my Nigerian, my fellow Nagerans to ask, what
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: is the American interest in Nigeria. I am not saying
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that we should not. Will we have at the moment,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: it definitely will he definitely will.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: You know, I've seen a pattern, and if we're going
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: to predict the future, we're going to go into patent recognition.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: And the pattern is that oftentimes when we're out, we
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: just called for the next semily good thing. During Jonathan's Yeah,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: where it was presented like the next best thing after
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: kick branded well.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So emotional.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: That brings us back to the propaganda I'm going to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: tell you about it's.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: So interesting, don't say interesting. Until we started spiraling down.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: The change movements. They change movement movements was all about
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: ABC change.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, start spiraling down and when that became so bad again,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: we just want something else. But every time we cry
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: for the next best thing, we always get the next
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: worst thing. Because we Ninetians are amazing people, loving people,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: but we don't know how to love with our eyes
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: open m hm, and hold back and check what are
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: they iding? What are they smuggling in Let's talk about
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: the paragon of that region. I want to say something
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: So you would have been the best president Nager I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: ever heard you, yonder batter.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I think this is a trap.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: All right, Well about We're working on this series right
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: now that will take Nadgerence through all our sixteen presidents.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm talking about this for the first time.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: So that series is going to going to shock a
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people because a lot of things you think
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you know are not true. And in all of these
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I must say, I must say that then Germanly Tree
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is not appreciated enough. Then Germanly Tree is not appreciated enough.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: These people are fighting multiple wars at the same time.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: If the US, and I'm saying this, if the US
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: we're facing the amount of wars that the Germanly Trees
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: fighting right now, the US government may even collapse. And
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: this collapse I'm talking about is because there are citizens,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: we rise up and chase all of them out.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: The Germany three.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: They have officers stationed in the southeast, they have people
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in the northeast in the northwest. It's almost like we
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: are fighting multiple civil wars at the same time. And
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the funny part of this is we have very large
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: porous borders, so some of these fighters are not even Nigerians.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: The coming name.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: After the Obama adventure that happened in Libya that removed Gadaffi,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: some of the fighters left with a lot of arms
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to the Sahire region and some of those fighters built
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: into Mali, the Tuerk fighters. So those fighters with lots
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: of arms, some of them into Nigeria. That twenty fourteen
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen period saw the influx of many immigrants that
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: we don't know where they're coming from. Some of them armed.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So when you hear of headers farmer classes, some of
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: these would are not even header because they don't have headers.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Used to have cows. Now right, I'm sick to control
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the cal So we're now seeing headers with eight forty
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: sevens and no cows.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Do you think they're Nigerians some of them, but most
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: are not.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: There are some citizens from Chad from Nieja and Nigerians
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: need to know that don't only operate with the Nigerian brothers.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: They're operating charge in Nieja and Cameroon even.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: So the Nigerian military is trying its best, right, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: they don't have enough equipment. Yeah, and this is a
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: complaint that we've heard from so many people, so many people.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: There was a time that they some soldiers revoted that
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: they didn't give them enough ammunition. And now they can fight.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: They are in all of them to be killed.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is because the military is almost like
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: a courts. They were killed.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Once you join, you cannot do that. You become the enemy.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: So they had to be caught martialed. And these guys
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I saw. I saw your story on Eggs last week
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: where someone was talking about picking up. He picked up
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and he's serving military personnel whose wife gave birth and
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: he two twins, but he couldn't go home for some months,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and then the wife called him to tell him that
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: one of them had died and that he had.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: To come and see what.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: You don't want to, yes said when you read things
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: like that, would you want any of your relative to
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: ever join the Nigerian military? Now, if everyone choose not
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to join the military, who will protect us from this war?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: You see when Nigerian politicians are just relaxed about in security.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: It amazes me. The only thing keeping Abuja from feeling
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: these heats at these guys because in security is already
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: in Kardina. Here, they just need to breach this border
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and that is that is all. If if and God forbids,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: if the feral Nigeria is overrun by militants, what happens
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to Nagia, the most populous country in Africa. We can't
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: even secure our borders, we can't protect our citizens. So honestly,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: we are not progressing as a country. Every president has
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: coming since or passenger. I think, with the exception of
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: your Adua. In between, things have been better. The past
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: have always been better than the future. So the change
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Mantrad brought in Warry was Americans trying to reorganize.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Since World War Two, They've been involved in over one
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: hundred or the regime change across the world.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: That's that's a very huge number.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: You did you follow the one that happened then in
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: DRC that brought in mobile to.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Sessical.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: So when when people talk about Americans coming to help,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: just show them the story of DRC.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: But you know, behind also the backtop of all the story,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: you also see Africans fighting their own We did that
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: in ghan against coming Croma.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Judios and also we did that. Did they do it?
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: It's more like it's more like I get it. It's
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: more like they've.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Mastered the signs of engineering the emotions of the people
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: that aligned with what they want to do. And they
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: have a slogan, if you want to kill it dog,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: give it a bad name. And once you can liberal
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: the people.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And the liberal now for Nigeria's religious persecution, that is
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: the only thing that can trigger a country that is
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: almost fifty to fifty.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Percent, thank you, that is already fragmented.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, and people again, cannot be judged based on out
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: there yet because.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: If you're telling you, if you're asking me whether this
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: family lost five of their children, they did.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Who were the people shooting them? They were shouting a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: loud bar. Yes, So how do I convince this family
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that this person had nothing.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: To do with Islam? It's difficult.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: It's difficult, no matter the fact you present to someone morning.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's almost like you're spitting on the grave of your love.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, and sometimes it's just best to keep quiet.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: It's best to keep quiet, and which is why Nigerians,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: we need to try and sometimes, no matter the pain
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you're feeling, we need to sit back and think and
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: reflect on these things. There are so many examples littered around.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: You know, even this podcast is a risk, okay in
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: the sense that I can go south. Yes, Sometimes pill
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: controls your opinion of the people. Yes, And one of
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: the major questions in my mind right now. Problems are
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: quite complex. Yeah, the emotions what we feel, they are
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: not simple. Across ethnic line, across religious line.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: It's difficult. You have been in this space.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: You have some of the back end stories and I
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: break Nigerian don't have access to you know what the
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: media is shifting from the people. When you look at
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: what is happening with your knowledge of geopolitics, what do
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: you think we should do as a nation to break
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: this cycle?
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: It's a vicious one.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Firstly, I think Nigerians we need to come to a
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: place where we agree that we are Nigerian's first before tribe.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: We should keep tribe aside. Petrotism. Yes, as long as
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: we all see our different tribes to be the nations
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: we come from and that we are all just part
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: of a collective union of Nigeria. As opposed to the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Nigeria and been the thing that we are as our identity.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Well, keep having this crisis.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Now, I am Igedy from Benue States, right, Benui has
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I think four ethnic groups? Mine is Igedy very a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: minority of the minority. So in Zone C we have
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Igedy and Idoma, right, and then Zone A and Zone
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: B additive, which is the majority in Benue State. Since
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the formation of the states, nobody from Zone SEE has
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: ever become governor of the states. No body. And the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: logical explanation is that, of course this vote alongs along
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: tribal lines, so we have Zone A Zon B. They
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: are always going to get the majority, I understand, but
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: can we have somebody from the majority they actually care
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: about the state at least at least now when you're
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: coming to this zone Sea region. My friend we went
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to the same primary school, the same secondary school. If
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you ask him now, you'll tell you as are two
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: thousand and four small developed than or put today?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yes, sir, it's terrible in that zone.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: See, nobody from Iged has ever become senator.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yes.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: My point here now is can we look beyond tribe
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: as a country If we can It's one of the
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: first ways we can get over this visual cycle is
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: fighting ourselves because imagine now that Lego states I shocked
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: them that when I told them that Legos is the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: economy of legal is bigger than most African countries.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Here are are right? Most African countries?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's that big and prosperous. Now imagine the people
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: in Legos decide to vote for a Legosian as their governor,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: not a EUROBA person. Now this is going to get
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: me in trouble. I think I'm ready for our dragon.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: You don't want to smoke Illegosian and not. We need to.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: We need to remove everything called state of origin from
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: our constitution stuff. You know why because people don't feel
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: it to be innocent. Hmm. Look at what just happened
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: in South Africa.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, there's anophobic reaction because the Egos were installing an
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Ebo chieftain. The same thing happened in Ghana. So one
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: of the things you want to ask is that why
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: the reacting like that. Maybe they don't just trust what
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: they may be doing next they see occupying agenda. Yeah,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: I think that has also failed. The divide that we
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: see and in the.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Story that is always references utsman, Dan food.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: You, and it's obvious. It's obvious, and even in the layer,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: it's a very complex story. Also, yes, you wonder laying
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: as emir and not over unspeakable.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I'm just.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Saying in fairness while I'm really much of an advocate
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: for us to the night. But sometimes I'm like that
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: this guy is not saying hm. But what you said
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: first is really something to look at. We're no longer patriotic.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: We're not, We're just in fact, the the ideology of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: if you divide area to become more prosperous is a lie.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: It's a lie.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the it's only propaganda that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: has been used.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: I think they will divide it once they are don't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: perfect in the business plan from the west because.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Now imagine imagine place.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Like the the southeast, that's the Ebo region right southeast
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: now that is agitating from Jaffra.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Imagine if states that is landlocked.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, the people will tell you we are industrials, we
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: are these We're that It's going to be catastrophic from
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: day one because you will be starting from zero. Your
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: economy will be be trash, before you will you be
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: able to trade with international, with anybody outside your borders,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: you will have to go through Nigeria that is now
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: going to be an enemy state, so will be as
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: small as it would be want to be an enemy
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of a giant such as Nigeria.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Do you think I bar forever goes or leaves Nigeria
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: at Nigeria remen.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Because the area I would just say, we also have.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is they actually wanted to break away
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: after after they kill the agreeancy.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Do you know that they wanted the.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Not Mohammed wanted the session he wanted He said he
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to have anything to do with Nigeria anymore.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: You know about the Yes, yes, we did have helps
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: mm hmm. It would have if go On had it's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: like them at the last moment. But I think.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Had his own reasons and one of those was that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: the that Ojuku was negotiating in bad faith. Also that
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: the power was going to be taken away from the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: central government and decentralized.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, so go On was just going to be a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: figure ahead. Will that do better?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: It would have helped, but now not the precedency and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that is the problem we have.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I told you from the beginning that I am not
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: so much democracy fund anymore.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Not so much.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Someone believes that some people will believe that democracy has
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: an idea is to give the people the illusion that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: they decide who them every four years or five years
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: until they are too old to vote festival, and then
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: they find out festival they're not really do want to decide.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: But again, I had the conversation with doctor Bi and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: she said she also made the court by a scholar.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I said that for those who.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Said democracy doesn't work, have seen the effect of something
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: else that worked.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Well. I didn't answer about my asize. Yes, we've seen Singapore.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: China, China stuff the communist system and stuff for a while.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: For a long time now they've had the one child policy.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: I think they're reversed because the idea of the population
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: of China it's been found to be.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Some lies. Mm hmm so.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: And they also manipulatia currency, which is But here's something
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: with China that I like. Everything the worst says is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: bad for China, is bad that China does is actually
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: in the interest of the Chinese people, not of the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: leadership of Chinese people. Do you understand so China they
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: talked about the one child policy was because to prevent
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: words overpopulation, right, and then the one China policy. Do
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: you know what Taiwan would mean to the economy of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: China if there were to be reunified m hm, Taiwan.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: There's this company in Taiwan called t CM mm hmm, right,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: the semiconductor company in Taiwan brigades or produces almost all
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: this macroductor used in American companies like Nvidia.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: And all of these things.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: So if China gets hold of it, the US is
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: out just like that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Do you think China wants to unite with them again?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: It is a policy.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: In fact, it is now in their constitution that they
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: don't have the rights to succede. President children things had
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: made it a law that you cannot it's now against
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the law to succeede. So no part of China can
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: can break away and Taiwan. They have medicalatear to Taiwan
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that they're going to unify them back to mainland China,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: either with force or diplomacy whichever. In fact, a few
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: days ago they met with the oppositional leader from Taiwan.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of time. Just a matter
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: of time. And relating this back to Nigeria, if you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: admires Singapore, you need to know the story of Singapore.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: LaQuan Yu was not a good man.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: You call him a benevolent dictator, but he cared about
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: his people, his people.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: So his philosophy was that if you don't like what
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: we are doing, you are an enemy.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Of these states.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't want the progress of Singapore, you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: cannot be part of Singapore. Is just It's just like
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  Speaker 1: saying you're either for us or against us?
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  Speaker 2: Now? Is that is that tough? Yes? Is he going
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  Speaker 2: to lead to.
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  Speaker 1: Some innocent people getting caught in the middle, Yes, but
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  Speaker 1: being innocent? Now, how innocent are you when you're being
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  Speaker 1: it too in the hands of an adversarial country.
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  Speaker 2: Now you eat the nail? Yep? Do you see it now?
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  Speaker 2: Many don't even know. Do you see it now?
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  Speaker 1: So if now my channel on YouTube, if I decide
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  Speaker 1: to use my channel to do propaganda against the Nigerian
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  Speaker 1: states saying things I know to be forced to just
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  Speaker 1: rile up the people and lead the nation into civil war, doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: then younger men have the right to lock me up
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  Speaker 1: without right to a lawyer or something and lawyer coming
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  Speaker 1: to defend me is actually working for whichever state is
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  Speaker 1: sponsoring me, especially if there is a state sponsoring me.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So now we have Bokina Faso. Yeah, about a
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  Speaker 1: week or two weeks ago, the leader, I hate to
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  Speaker 1: call him juntal leader.
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  Speaker 2: Like the westlaws contributing.
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  Speaker 1: He is the leader and president for Bokin right Chai
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  Speaker 1: when he said that m the people should forget about
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  Speaker 1: democracy and everybody were running with it. Now look at him.
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  Speaker 1: Every detector gets to this point, they always come has
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  Speaker 1: been a volun was.
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  Speaker 2: Almost at that point? Are you say that this thing
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  Speaker 2: was a trip?
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  Speaker 1: So no, My question is is it working for the people?
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  Speaker 1: Why are elections so important that even this leader is
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  Speaker 1: performing well? You just want us to go and vote
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  Speaker 1: for somebody else. And then my reference point to them
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  Speaker 1: is how about Paul Beer? Cameronian is my age? Don't
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  Speaker 1: know any other presidents than Paul Beer and I'm thirty
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  Speaker 1: two years old. This man has been in power since
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  Speaker 1: nineteen since the early nineteen eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and guess what.
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  Speaker 1: He initially abolished the position of vice presidents. They have
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  Speaker 1: now reinstated the position of vice presidents. Guess who is
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  Speaker 1: the vice president now and if anything happens to the president,
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  Speaker 1: who becomes the president the vice presidents so so sessions
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  Speaker 1: in place. So now elections democracy is now becoming almost
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  Speaker 1: like the World Cup every four four years. Right, we
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  Speaker 1: performed the ceremony, we joined the Q, defend democracy, defend
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  Speaker 1: our vote, chant against neck, and then what we elected.
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  Speaker 1: And then when he's done for the four years, and
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  Speaker 1: then he appoints his colleagues and friends into in neck
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  Speaker 1: and then we chant again, defend our democracy, defend our democracy,
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  Speaker 1: and then we vote again, and then we have an
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  Speaker 1: adapt and then we waite for four years, and then
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  Speaker 1: we defend our This is tiring, is it not.
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  Speaker 2: Let let's say you start voting. Let's someone start voting
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  Speaker 2: at edge twenty.
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  Speaker 4: And each president, let's say they're going to go through
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  Speaker 4: two election cycles, each of them two four years as
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  Speaker 4: eight years. And let's say you were able to vote
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  Speaker 4: at least ten times. That's four times them as forty
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  Speaker 4: forty plus twenty as sixty. Out of that four times
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  Speaker 4: ten times that you voted, you have five presidents. So
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  Speaker 4: five presidents will take the span of forty years of
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  Speaker 4: your life five ten years of self deceit yes, believing
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  Speaker 4: that another messire is coming.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming. It's a visual cycle.
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  Speaker 1: And now this this analogy you just give people think
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  Speaker 1: this is so far into the future. Let me count
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  Speaker 1: the five presidents for you. Vot yar Adua a passenger, No, no,
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  Speaker 1: Bassenger is too far behind. Voted yargument with Jonathan Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: completed his stem. So Jonathan's end the end of Jonathan's
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  Speaker 1: time at twenty fifteen was the eight years. Right then
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  Speaker 1: we had Barry right did eight years?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Into the thought now bo w do his eight years? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Look at that.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, So we're just we're just doing election festivals.
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  Speaker 4: I want to make a request, Okay, I think what
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  Speaker 4: the conversations we've had today can go ether ways trouble, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: or enlightenment, depending on our open minded people are and
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  Speaker 4: hopefully no one gets to caught it for my lesures
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  Speaker 4: intent mhm it that ways.
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  Speaker 2: I like to request we're going to have to have
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  Speaker 2: you again. Many things have been classified.
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  Speaker 4: Today, okay, even though this is the classified because yeah,
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  Speaker 4: then we can have conversations arounder the subject. And now
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  Speaker 4: we can focus on the continent as well, okay, and
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  Speaker 4: look at the Western influence and interest and where we
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: get to really dissect if looking at the number of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: years Africa spent on the colonial masters, all of a suddenly,
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  Speaker 4: on the space of ten, fifteen, twenty years, all the
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  Speaker 4: countries one of that the other, we're getting their release.
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  Speaker 4: Is it planned? Was it staged? Was it a transition
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: from colonialism into something entirely different. These are the conversations
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  Speaker 4: and have in the next episode. That's very interesting because
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  Speaker 4: let me give you a hint. Now, yes, all the
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  Speaker 4: former French colonists, ye are democracy planned? Unnamed Charles de Gaul,
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  Speaker 4: They didn't gain democracy. Democracy was now becoming the trend,
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  Speaker 4: and the United States was going to frown at France
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  Speaker 4: if France keeps hold of their former colonies. So France
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  Speaker 4: needed to design a system that will make it look
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: like these states are now governing themselves. But in the
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  Speaker 4: terms of the democracy that assigned, the French had their
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: right to state, to put their military on the ground
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  Speaker 4: in those countries, and they also had to control their currencies.
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  Speaker 2: I'll stop you, Oh no, really, thank you for coming.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, so enlightening, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: M