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Monster Dad Leaves Tot Son to Bake in Car, Then Whines Law 'Unfair' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. There's a baby on the ground.
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Speaker 1: What standard I'm calling that one? Where's he gone? And
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Speaker 1: comment near comin long Yes, m west of the car.
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Speaker 1: I think we'll be somebody around them. We're I'm sad
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Speaker 1: and you are. Can you see the baby from when
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Speaker 1: you are? From where you are? Here? M here? Men
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Speaker 1: you're working about your hole and can you see him breaking?
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. A baby on the ground. Nine one
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Speaker 1: one coming as fast as they can. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: That baby, little Cooper Harris, just twenty two months old.
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Speaker 1: How did a baby that precious, I mean, aren't all
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Speaker 1: babies precious at that age end up on an asphalt
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Speaker 1: parking lot near a mall with nine one one being
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Speaker 1: called to save his life. I'm a little overwhelmed just
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Speaker 1: hearing it because I know that area so well. There's
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Speaker 1: cars flying by red lights, there's a huge mall near
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Speaker 1: where this call was made, and a tiny, little beady
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Speaker 1: baby lying on the ground. Let's hear more of that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call umlie. We would have people on
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Speaker 1: the line, okay, but I want to get a touch
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Speaker 1: of point okay from you. So we don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's the baby's breathing correction, all right, I didn't heard
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Speaker 1: of us against the charge. Okay, Who in the hay
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Speaker 1: had the baby? Who had little Cooper? Who was in
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Speaker 1: charge of him? How did he get there? Why is
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Speaker 1: nine one one being called? Well, where's daddy? Daddy was
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Speaker 1: driving him home from daycare, or at least that's where
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Speaker 1: he should have been. But listen to our friend Amy
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Speaker 1: Robok at ABC's twenty twenty. Despite Ross's apparent initial distress,
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Speaker 1: the cops Antennas immediately go up. I think that's what
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Speaker 1: police were suspicious so quickly because of his behavior at
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Speaker 1: the scene. Christian Boone covered the story for the Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Journal Constitution. When they arrived, someone else is doing CPR
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Speaker 1: to Cooper. He was talking on the phone to somebody.
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Speaker 1: Auser came out. He yelled at her. Hate was a
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Speaker 1: little raddick who was sitting the back of the squad
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Speaker 1: cart als weeping or very straw and then sort of
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Speaker 1: looking around to see. In their mind, they felt like
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Speaker 1: he was putting on the performance and not a very
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Speaker 1: good one. One of the officers, the best she could
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Speaker 1: describe it as was almost like Will Ferrell. One minute
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Speaker 1: he would be yelling my boy, my boy, next minute
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Speaker 1: he's called, you're hearing again our friends at twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: I was just taken aback. Then when you actually hear
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Speaker 1: the father screaming and carrying on in the background, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at hl N. The big
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Speaker 1: word that came out today from the Medical Examiner's Office homicide,
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Speaker 1: homicide in the manner of death category. They've now found
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Speaker 1: that this was a homicide cause of death hyperthermia the
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Speaker 1: overheating of the body. However, the official manner of death
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Speaker 1: and cause of death will not be released just yet,
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Speaker 1: but they say that the injuries are consistent with homicide
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Speaker 1: as the manner of death and hyperthermia as the cause
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Speaker 1: of death. Joining me now an all star lineup. Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, a family attorney. Vincent Hill, cop turned PI,
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Speaker 1: author of Pleabook to a Murderer, Doctor Jolie Silva, clinical
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, doctor Michelle Dupree, South Carolina medical examiner and
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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Robin Willinski Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, The
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Speaker 1: Cside Behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon to doctor
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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, explain to me what is did they say
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Speaker 1: hype othermia? This was actually hyperthermia, Nancy, and hyperthermia is
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Speaker 1: just the opposite of hyperthermia. This is when the body
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Speaker 1: cannot regulate the amount of heat it is experiencing. So
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Speaker 1: this is the body getting overheated. Okay, doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: this is not Hansel and Gretel where you leave one
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Speaker 1: little bread crime and then I run to the next one. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna say, break it down. Not
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Speaker 1: everybody listening right now is an MD medical doctor who
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Speaker 1: has performed literally thousands of autopsies and written a book. Okay,
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Speaker 1: how do you get hype er hype er thermia? How
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Speaker 1: hot does it have to be? How long do you
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Speaker 1: have to be in the heat? Is this the same
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Speaker 1: as a heat stroke? What are the symptoms and what
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Speaker 1: does the victim go through? Just for starters, thanks Nancy
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Speaker 1: Broke for getting me back on court. Well again, this
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Speaker 1: is when the body becomes overheated and can't handle the
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Speaker 1: amount of heat. Typically, something above one hundred and four
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Speaker 1: degrees is going to cause a severe reaction. But there's
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Speaker 1: different stages of hyperthermia. It doesn't just happen all at once.
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Speaker 1: The body goes into stress heat stress, when the person
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Speaker 1: becomes dizzy, uncomfortable, nauseous maybe, and they get thirsty. If
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Speaker 1: they get treatment, I eat, if they get water, if
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Speaker 1: they get rehydrated, then it's not such a big deal.
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Speaker 1: If that doesn't happen, the body can go into heat fatigue,
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Speaker 1: and when that happens, those same symptoms of cars but
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Speaker 1: it's just a little bit worse and recovery is a
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Speaker 1: little slower. The person can then actually go into heat syncope,
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Speaker 1: which means that they simply saink once the person is
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Speaker 1: saying is of course they still need to get help
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Speaker 1: and become rehydrated. It gets worse from there. Heat cramps
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Speaker 1: may occur. There can even become heat adema. There may
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Speaker 1: be a rash. Finally, heat exhaustion occurs. And once heat
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Speaker 1: exhaustion occurs again the body is very dizzy, weak. There
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Speaker 1: may be profuse sweating, their coordination issues. Now there's troubled concentrating.
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Speaker 1: There's a rapid pause again that the person can get
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Speaker 1: immediate medical attention and overcome this, but there must be
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Speaker 1: immediate rehydration of the body or starting to rehydrate the bodies,
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Speaker 1: and it's actually very very common. I recall just recently
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Speaker 1: my sister in law, boss wife, had been out in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon playing tennis. She got hot, She kept playing
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Speaker 1: some kind of tournament somewhere, and she comes home, gets
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Speaker 1: in the shower, and she notices she feels oddly. She
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Speaker 1: has a heat stroke and perfectly good health. She had
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Speaker 1: no idea anything was happening other than she was hot
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Speaker 1: and thirsty. That was it. Now I'm thinking about this
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Speaker 1: little twenty two months old baby, and at twenty two
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Speaker 1: months old, they're so helpless, they're so defenseless. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to people I interviewed on the scene. I'm not
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Speaker 1: quite sure why the father ended up in the back
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Speaker 1: of the car, in the back of the police car.
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Speaker 1: When he yelled out fu to the police, I think
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Speaker 1: that pretty much sealed it. What was he doing in
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Speaker 1: the back of the police car, Well, he was sitting there,
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Speaker 1: and then they were detective, a homicide detective that he
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Speaker 1: was about one hundred feet away in a squad car,
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Speaker 1: and they came and they began to speak with him,
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Speaker 1: but he wasn't acting out. He wasn't being violent in
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Speaker 1: the back of the car. Mister Madden, he actually saw
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Speaker 1: the top baby Cooper pulled from the car dead. When
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Speaker 1: you saw what was happening, what was the first thing
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Speaker 1: you observed? The first thing after noticing that the body
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Speaker 1: that was laying on the high pavement was in fact
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Speaker 1: a two year old toddler. I was about four or
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Speaker 1: five feet away from him, of course, ad been Cooper,
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Speaker 1: and then mister Ross I was about three feet away
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Speaker 1: from him, and he was hysterical. He was crying out,
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Speaker 1: he was screaming. He was hollering, my son, Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: my son is dead. Oh my god. It just seemed
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Speaker 1: very real, very organic. You stated you were four or
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Speaker 1: five feet away from baby Cooper. What did you observe
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Speaker 1: about him? He looked clean. I saw no bruises. I
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Speaker 1: saw no abrasions. His hair wasn't pulled back. It was well,
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Speaker 1: was he laying on his back or a stomach? He
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Speaker 1: was laying on his back, okay, because the abrasions mostly
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Speaker 1: are on the back of the head where we believe
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Speaker 1: he was banging up against his car sit trying to
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Speaker 1: get out. So was he pale? No, he looked normal.
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Speaker 1: He just was lifeless, but in the last hours a
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Speaker 1: stunning new twist in the case of baby Cooper, we
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Speaker 1: are getting breaking news right now. In another case, it
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Speaker 1: is about the Utah student McKenzie Luke. Let's twitch gears
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Speaker 1: and turn to that very quickly. We are learning that
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Speaker 1: the missing girl, Utah student Mackenzie Luke Frinsay, have spotted
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Speaker 1: activity on her Instagram account which liked another page. Now
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Speaker 1: this is nine days after she goes missing. Now we
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Speaker 1: also learned that at this hour authorities are digging in
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Speaker 1: the back yard of a quote person of interests. That's
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Speaker 1: a major development. No, no one has been called a suspect,
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Speaker 1: but police are saying there is a person of interest.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, the Utah ho
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Speaker 1: and McKenzie Luke has already member about age twenty three,
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Speaker 1: disappeared coming into town. She texted her mom that she
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Speaker 1: had landed. It was very late at night. We've seen
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Speaker 1: surveillance video offer in the airport. She's texting. She gets
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Speaker 1: a lift ride the lift driver and this can be
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Speaker 1: very find via her texting via the lift computer system.
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Speaker 1: She asks to be taken to a local park about
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Speaker 1: eight miles away from her home. When she gets there.
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Speaker 1: According to the lift driver, she seems happy, no problem.
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Speaker 1: She gets out of the lift driver's car, goes and
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Speaker 1: gets into another unidentified car and joys wait last time
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Speaker 1: she's been seen. That doesn't make sense for a young
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Speaker 1: girl who texts her mom that she just lands. Now.
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Speaker 1: This so called person of interest is Ajahat. He's thirty
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Speaker 1: one years old. He's a former Army IT specialists. He
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Speaker 1: owns a home near the park, and we are also
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Speaker 1: learning recently, according to reports, that after she goes missing,
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Speaker 1: he gives away or puts up for sale a bed
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Speaker 1: and box rings. Now does that mean anything, Maybe not,
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Speaker 1: but it's quite the coincidence. He currently works at Dell
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Speaker 1: as a senior technical support analyst, and he's done that
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Speaker 1: for nearly a year now. Authorities have said they believe
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Speaker 1: the house that they're brother digging has a connection to
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Speaker 1: Luke's disappearance. What does that mean? That's all we know.
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Speaker 1: But when cops are digging in your yard, that's a
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Speaker 1: bad sign. A lot of this is extremely contrary to
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Speaker 1: what we know about her personality, that she would ever
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Speaker 1: be out of touch with friends and family for that fall.
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Speaker 1: But so far as she's missed, Wrooked. She's missed a
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Speaker 1: wedding and apparently missed a flight completely unlike her. We
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Speaker 1: will bring you the latest as it happened. But right
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Speaker 1: now friends are shocked to see that they have discovered
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Speaker 1: activity on her Instagram account since she goes missing. We'll
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Speaker 1: bring you the latest and now straight back to Justin Ross,
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Speaker 1: Harris and the Hot Car Town Prime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace to remember your last moment with Cooper that day.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a morning person, and of course, as usual,
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Speaker 1: I didn't wake up when I wanted to or needed to.
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Speaker 1: I was getting ready to walk out the door. I
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Speaker 1: came back and you know, I told him both bye,
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Speaker 1: and I kissed Cooper. I kissed Cooper goodbye, not knowing
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Speaker 1: that I was literally kissing goodbye. Eight thirty am, Ross
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Speaker 1: loads Cooper into their small suv, first a quick stop
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Speaker 1: for breakfast at Chick fil A surveillance video from that
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Speaker 1: morning shows Ross holding Cooper while they order food. On
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Speaker 1: any other day, Ross would leave the restaurant and turn
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Speaker 1: left at this intersection to drop Cooper off at daycare,
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Speaker 1: But on this hot summer day, Ross drives straight at
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Speaker 1: the intersection towards his office, where he parks and thirty
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Speaker 1: seconds later exits the car. I drove that stretch over
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Speaker 1: and over and over trying to figure out how a dad,
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Speaker 1: just a Ross Harris could quote forget about his baby
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Speaker 1: in just literally minutes, and that Chick fil A video
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Speaker 1: surveillance becomes extremely significant because you see in the video
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Speaker 1: baby Cooper is alive, alert, laughing, totally awake, not asleep
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Speaker 1: in the back of the car with dad's mind wandering.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just there, alive, awake, just three minutes later.
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Speaker 1: How do you forget your babies in the car. And actually,
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Speaker 1: the decision was made right after Harris pulls out of
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Speaker 1: the Chick fil A, because, as you just heard our
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Speaker 1: friends at twenty twenty, that was Amy Robock when he
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Speaker 1: got to that red light. Instead of turning to take
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Speaker 1: baby Cooper to daycare like he always did, he went
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Speaker 1: straight to his office. So the decision was made right then,
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Speaker 1: less than one minute away from Chick fil A, with
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Speaker 1: the baby talking and laughing as much as a twenty
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Speaker 1: two months all can talk. It was made right then.
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Speaker 1: The baby was not going to day care. Listen to this.
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Speaker 1: He walks across the parking lot, swipes into his building
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Speaker 1: and leaves little Cooper behind. More than six hours later,
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Speaker 1: Ross leaves work at four fifteen pm. Here he is
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Speaker 1: swiping out of his building, casually crossing the parking lot.
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Speaker 1: He gets in the car, seemingly unaware of his son
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Speaker 1: mere inches from him in the back seat. He drives
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Speaker 1: roughly a mile and a half before he pulls over
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Speaker 1: and calls out frantically to onlookers coming exactly what happened?
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Speaker 1: The baby's Britain doesn't look like twenty four pm police
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Speaker 1: rushed to the Strip Mall parking lot, where the former
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Speaker 1: nine one dispatcher is in the throws of his own emergency,
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Speaker 1: keep saying what about done? What have I done? Laid
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Speaker 1: him on the ground, started doing the CPR, trying to
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Speaker 1: resuscitate him. Apparently the child wasn't responding well. A lot
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Speaker 1: of people wonder, how could you forget about your baby
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Speaker 1: for that long in the car? I think I have
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Speaker 1: an idea. Listen specifically on the day of the incident
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Speaker 1: on June the eighteenth, twenty and fourteen, and reviewing the
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Speaker 1: computers and phones and things like that of the defendants,
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Speaker 1: did you uncover anything and what he was doing during
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Speaker 1: that day? While a child was out in the car. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: what did you uncover? He was having up to six
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Speaker 1: different conversations with different women. It appeared from the from
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Speaker 1: the messages from kick mostly, which is a messaging service,
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Speaker 1: and is that a computer related messaging service? It is?
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Speaker 1: And these conversations he was having with these females were
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Speaker 1: these what nature were they? The most common term with
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Speaker 1: these sexting and not only that, sending them online photos
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Speaker 1: of his penis. Let me let that sink in for
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Speaker 1: a minute, because at that time of the morning, I am,
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Speaker 1: you know, cleaning a guinea pig cage. I am trying
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Speaker 1: to get a cup of hot tea, getting the twins
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Speaker 1: going to school. The last thing I am thinking about
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Speaker 1: out is a picture of a man's penis. Okay, now,
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Speaker 1: let me understand something. Robin Wilenski, Crime Online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, no offense to penises whatsoever. Not taking a
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Speaker 1: position on that, Robin, Please help me understand what is
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Speaker 1: this man doing at what seven thirty seven forty five am.
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Speaker 1: He's just left Chick fil At closed on Sunday and
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Speaker 1: he's sexting pictures of his penis and leaves his child
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Speaker 1: in the car to die of hyper thermia. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree. What Nancy, that is quite the segue.
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Speaker 1: I've worked with you for about ten years. Yeah, no
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Speaker 1: one wants to see a picture of his penis at
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Speaker 1: eight thirty in the morning. That said, here's how this
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Speaker 1: all started. By the way, when I first moved to Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: that was my Chick fil At You make the pool
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Speaker 1: my star. Wait a minute, Robin, me too. And this
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Speaker 1: was in law school. I came up here for an internship.
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Speaker 1: I was supposed to stay at sorority House for the summer.
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Speaker 1: That Sunday morning before I was leaving to come to Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: found out somebody left something running in the night. The
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Speaker 1: whole thing burned down. So quickly found an apartment right
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Speaker 1: near that Chick Filly. That's how I know the area
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Speaker 1: so well because I lived there and fought the Atlanta
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Speaker 1: traffic all summer. It's at a very busy intersection. And
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Speaker 1: you make the point that he has seen on the
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Speaker 1: video surveillance with little Cooper, Well, when you come out
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Speaker 1: of that Chick fil A parking lot, you know you
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Speaker 1: were saying, it's about a minute to the light. I
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Speaker 1: could probably do that in thirty seconds you pull out
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Speaker 1: of that parking lot and you go right around the
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Speaker 1: corner and there is a major intersection there with a light,
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Speaker 1: and to go to where the daycare is, you would
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Speaker 1: have to make a hard left at a forty five
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Speaker 1: degree angle, or you would drive straight as we heard
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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty clip. And thirty seconds later, after
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Speaker 1: you get yourself and your child, your little son breakfast
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Speaker 1: at Chick fil A, little nuggets or whatever you're ordering,
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Speaker 1: how do you, thirty seconds after pulling out of that
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Speaker 1: parking lot, not take your little son who's eating the
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Speaker 1: Chick fil A in the backseat to daycare? How do
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Speaker 1: you go straight at the light? Now, Ross Harris worked
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Speaker 1: at the home Depot, not one of the stores where
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Speaker 1: you buy plants and nails, but he worked at the
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Speaker 1: corporate office, which is in Cobb County, where he was
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Speaker 1: a web designer. So was he that focused on getting
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Speaker 1: to work and you know, getting into the building, or
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Speaker 1: was he thinking about his sexting at his penis pictures.
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Speaker 1: But to me, it's incredible to me if I was
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Speaker 1: a juror and I was taken out a tour of
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Speaker 1: where this Chick fil A is, where he would have
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Speaker 1: made that left turn. I don't know how you would
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Speaker 1: not go in that direction. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Were photos being sent back and forth between these women
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Speaker 1: and the defendant during this day while the child's out
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Speaker 1: in the car. Yes, there were photos of his exposed
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Speaker 1: penis erect penis being sent um. There were also photos
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Speaker 1: of women's breast being sent back to him. Now, did
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Speaker 1: you actually have you located every one of these girls
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Speaker 1: that he's had contact? I have not. Have you located
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Speaker 1: to any of them. I've located two of them. The
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Speaker 1: first one I won't use the user name, but I
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Speaker 1: guess let me for lack of a better term, the
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Speaker 1: older one. Did you speak with her? I did? And
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Speaker 1: what did she say? She stated that she had first
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Speaker 1: met m Ross and she knew him as Ross through
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Speaker 1: um Scout, which is another messaging service, and that he
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Speaker 1: had met up in that he wanted to hook up
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Speaker 1: with her. And did she talk to you and confirmed
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Speaker 1: the nature of what you saw on these these chafts
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Speaker 1: back and forth? Yes, she did. I'm going to turn
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Speaker 1: your tension. Was there also another girl that you met
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Speaker 1: and you've spoken with? I have? And how old is
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Speaker 1: that girl? Because she is seventeen at this time. Okay,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute. Okay, we've got the
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Speaker 1: baby dying from hyperthermia. We've got the chick fil a
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Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle. We've got the I I was
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Speaker 1: distracted because I was sexting photos of my penis part
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Speaker 1: of the puzzle. And now, Vincent Hill cop turn Pi,
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Speaker 1: author of Playbook to a Murder, Did I just hear
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Speaker 1: underage sexting? Number one? He's married, okay, number one, But
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Speaker 1: number two? Did I just hear something about an underage child? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you heard that exactly right. Nancy, seventeen years old and
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Speaker 1: you're sending pictures of your penis while your son's out
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Speaker 1: in the hot car, meaning not only are you a
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Speaker 1: sexual pervert, but you're a pedophile. You're sending pictures to
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Speaker 1: a seventeen year old. Oh my gosh, Nancy, and your
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Speaker 1: son is burning inside of a car. Now, Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: let me understand something. You wrote Playbook to a Murder
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. You know, there's a lot of ways to
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Speaker 1: commit a murder, many ways to die. What about death
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Speaker 1: by a hot car? That takes some thinking. That takes
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Speaker 1: some premeditation, Vincent Hill. It takes thinking. It takes planning.
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Speaker 1: This is not something you just at the spur of
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Speaker 1: the moment say oh, I'm just gonna do this because
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Speaker 1: I know it will work. And I'm sure that mister
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Speaker 1: Ross himself was looking for ways to kill his son
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Speaker 1: because there were Google searches of hot card deaths on
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Speaker 1: his search history. Nancy, Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, excellent point, Robert will Letski, let's talk about
21:47
Speaker 1: the computer searches. I mean, hello, everybody, Unless you take
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Speaker 1: your computer out into the driveway and run over it
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Speaker 1: with your car, beat it with a sledge hammer, you
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Speaker 1: can get forever and ever information off the hard drive.
22:05
Speaker 1: Now that's the computer hard drive itself. There's also tons
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Speaker 1: of data stored out in the cloud, so it's going
22:13
Speaker 1: to be really hard to get rid of computer searches.
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Speaker 1: Robin Wilynsky. We've seen them jump up and bite people
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Speaker 1: in the neck a million times. I don't even have
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Speaker 1: to mention Todd Mom, who was looking up homemade chloroform
22:26
Speaker 1: and neck breaking. I mean that's just one. There's so
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Speaker 1: many examples. They're staggering. Robin, what did justin Ross Harris's
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Speaker 1: computer searches reveal and guys, there is a new update
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Speaker 1: in this case and I'm stunned by it. But about
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Speaker 1: the computer searches, Robin Wilynsky, Yeah, the bottom line is
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Speaker 1: that he looked up a video and it's a man
22:49
Speaker 1: sitting in the front seat of a car talking about
22:52
Speaker 1: how long it would take a dog to die in
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Speaker 1: a hot car with the windows closed in the summer.
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Speaker 1: And the man in the video actually has one of
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Speaker 1: those big circle thermometers, you know where you can see
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Speaker 1: the temperature that people have outside in their garden, and
23:09
Speaker 1: he holds up a big thermometer and you know it shows,
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Speaker 1: you know, ninety two degrees and how hot it would
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Speaker 1: be and how long it would take your pet to die. Yeah,
23:20
Speaker 1: that guy is a vet trying to warm people about
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Speaker 1: hot car deaths and leaving your pet in the car.
23:27
Speaker 1: I want to go now to special guests joining me.
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen Murphy, there were all sorts of problems
23:36
Speaker 1: within the marriage. Take a listen to this, Kathleen. These
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Speaker 1: messages in these chats, did they start in the morning,
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Speaker 1: they do, okay, And did they continue throughout the day
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Speaker 1: they do? And when did they end? Around three o'clock
23:48
Speaker 1: that afternoon, so about an hour before he left. Over
23:51
Speaker 1: the objection, Now, this sixteen year old girl, were these
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Speaker 1: chats of the are now seventeen? They started when she
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Speaker 1: was sixteen? Correct? Did these were these sexually involved as well?
24:01
Speaker 1: They were? Okay? Did she send him a picture that day?
24:03
Speaker 1: She did? Of what? She send a picture of her
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Speaker 1: exposed press And did he send any pictures to her?
24:08
Speaker 1: He did? He send a picture of his exposed direct penis.
24:11
Speaker 1: Now we talked a little bit about these computers. Have
24:13
Speaker 1: you guys done examinations on these computers we have? Are
24:16
Speaker 1: you finished with your examination of these computers? Though we've
24:19
Speaker 1: only scratched the surface. Now, based upon your review these
24:22
Speaker 1: computers and other devices that he's had contact with, is
24:24
Speaker 1: it obvious that he has deleted some of the things
24:26
Speaker 1: from from cross referencing these computers and phones and items. Yes,
24:30
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna turn your attention again, Like you said,
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Speaker 1: motive as to his marital status issues he's having in
24:34
Speaker 1: his state of mind? Did the wife tell you anything
24:37
Speaker 1: they were having any problems in their marriage? Leanna stated
24:40
Speaker 1: that there have intimacy problems. Yeah, I guess so, I
24:43
Speaker 1: guess they are with your husband. Sexting all these women,
24:46
Speaker 1: sending photos of his genitals to under age girls. I
24:50
Speaker 1: guess there are problems too, Doctor Jolly Silva, clinical forensic
24:54
Speaker 1: psychologists joining us. Doctor Silva, It's hard for me to
24:59
Speaker 1: fathom blaming your child for a marital problem, much less
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Speaker 1: hurting your child because you want out of the marriage. Yeah,
25:08
Speaker 1: you know, I think what happens a lot of times
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Speaker 1: in you know, relationship issues, especially when they're when they're
25:18
Speaker 1: having these kinds of problems, is that they're so into
25:23
Speaker 1: their own problems and they're so into what's going on
25:28
Speaker 1: internally with them that the children just become kind of
25:31
Speaker 1: this tool to use to help them advance themselves in
25:36
Speaker 1: whichever way they want in the relationship, which is really
25:39
Speaker 1: a hard thing to wrap your head around if you
25:41
Speaker 1: are a parent. They they don't have at some point,
25:45
Speaker 1: they don't have the ability to put themselves in the
25:47
Speaker 1: child shoes and understand what the child is going through,
25:51
Speaker 1: but rather use the child as a means to get
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Speaker 1: what they want, you know, turning the child against the
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Speaker 1: other parents, or just using the child, you know, to
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Speaker 1: in can what they want to happen in the relationships,
26:07
Speaker 1: you know, just another piece of this, the forgotten baby
26:10
Speaker 1: syndrome is a syndrome because there are an average thirty
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Speaker 1: deaths a year that happened to babies because of parents
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Speaker 1: leaving their child in a hot car. And it's happening
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Speaker 1: like an average of thirty eight times a year, and
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Speaker 1: this is one of them. Right. The hard time I
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Speaker 1: have with this is the short amount of time, the
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Speaker 1: thirty seconds where he claims to have forgotten to make
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Speaker 1: the turn to daycare. What happens with forgotten baby syndrome
26:37
Speaker 1: is that there's a part of your brain that controls
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Speaker 1: for habits, so you know when you're driving to work
26:43
Speaker 1: or if you have to if you have to. If
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Speaker 1: you're driving to work every single day, that's just the habit.
26:46
Speaker 1: You're not thinking about it. So if you have to
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Speaker 1: pull over to get gasps, you might forget to do
26:51
Speaker 1: that because you're habitually. Driving to work is a part
26:53
Speaker 1: of the brain that controls for habit where you don't
26:56
Speaker 1: have to think to do something. You don't think when
26:58
Speaker 1: you brush your teeth, you don't have to think when
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Speaker 1: you back out of the driver when you're driving to work,
27:02
Speaker 1: you don't have to actually think and make any decisions
27:05
Speaker 1: because it frees up the part of the brain, the
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Speaker 1: decision making part of the brain, to think about other
27:10
Speaker 1: things you have to do with forgotten baby syndrome. What
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Speaker 1: happens in a lot of these cases is that people
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Speaker 1: are habitually going through the motions and then don't think
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Speaker 1: that the baby is in the back of the car
27:21
Speaker 1: because they're in kind of a fog. They're just going
27:24
Speaker 1: through the motions. And sometimes what happens is if you
27:28
Speaker 1: are doing something in your routine that vh from the
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Speaker 1: normal routine, like stopping for breakfast, like stopping for a
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Speaker 1: cup of coffee, like getting gas, you'd be more likely
27:39
Speaker 1: to have forgotten baby syndrome. Which is what I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: is what he is, you know, arguing in his case
27:45
Speaker 1: for the hard time I have with it is that
27:47
Speaker 1: it's only thirty seconds or a minute where he was
27:50
Speaker 1: his brain would have snapped into his habit where he
27:53
Speaker 1: would have forgotten about it. So you know that that's
27:57
Speaker 1: the hard and also the fact that he was looking
27:59
Speaker 1: at the videos that they before, you know, a couple
28:01
Speaker 1: of days before, and the sext thing. You know, his
28:05
Speaker 1: mind would just totally preoccupied with something else, so forgotten
28:09
Speaker 1: baby syndrome is a real thing, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: these parents are not convicted because of forgotten baby syndrome.
28:15
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen alone, fifty two babies, fifty two children
28:19
Speaker 1: die of the hot car syndrome. You know, he could
28:23
Speaker 1: argue hot car syndrome, but the Google searches that he
28:28
Speaker 1: performed just before baby Cooper's death reveal a different story.
28:33
Speaker 1: I've never ever accept in relation to this case. Looked
28:36
Speaker 1: up how many children die in hot cars? How long
28:39
Speaker 1: does it take to die in a hot car? Videos
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Speaker 1: explaining hot card death. Not only that, when mom goes
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Speaker 1: to pick up baby Cooper at daycare and they say
28:50
Speaker 1: he's not here, he was never brought here. One of
28:53
Speaker 1: the first things she said was, oh, no, I hope
28:56
Speaker 1: Justin didn't leave him in the car, so obviously that
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Speaker 1: was something that they had discussed. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what happened regarding the stench in
29:11
Speaker 1: that car when Daddy gets back in and then makes
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Speaker 1: his way to a movie. Take a listen. Did he
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Speaker 1: approached the car at any point at the scene? He
29:20
Speaker 1: did about how long after the defendant had pulled over
29:24
Speaker 1: over an hour, and when he approached the car and
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Speaker 1: stuck his head Did he stick his head in? He did?
29:29
Speaker 1: When he did that, Was there anything of note that
29:31
Speaker 1: he noticed an hour and twenty minutes after with the
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Speaker 1: door open, Yeah, there was a foule order or a
29:35
Speaker 1: stench coming from the vehicle. Now, did you actually access
29:38
Speaker 1: that vehicle later as well? I did? And why did
29:40
Speaker 1: you do that? We executed search warr on that vehicle
29:43
Speaker 1: later on that night. When you executed that search warrant
29:45
Speaker 1: and you went inside that vehicle hours later, did you
29:48
Speaker 1: notice anything? Yeah, it smelled like it was a final order.
29:52
Speaker 1: It smelled like decomposition or death. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Now,
30:08
Speaker 1: just to prove the elements this crime show, did you
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Speaker 1: speak to the emmy about whether this child would have
30:13
Speaker 1: suffered cool or excessive physical pain? We did? Okay, what
30:17
Speaker 1: did he say? Would it have been a painful death? Yes?
30:19
Speaker 1: Did you notice any? Were there any injuries to the
30:21
Speaker 1: child's face? There were? And what were those? The way
30:24
Speaker 1: it's explained, Um, there were several marks on the child's face.
30:29
Speaker 1: It would have come from the child or a scratch
30:32
Speaker 1: being made while the child was alive and then not healing,
30:36
Speaker 1: not scabbing, order over or anything like that. And just
30:40
Speaker 1: soon after he passed away. Were there any injuries to
30:43
Speaker 1: the child back in the child's head, Yes, there were,
30:45
Speaker 1: how abrasions to the back of the childhood. You were
30:47
Speaker 1: hearing testimony regarding the death of baby Cooper Harris at
30:53
Speaker 1: the trial of dad Justin Ross Harris, Cooper's dad. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you for being
31:00
Speaker 1: with us after days and days of testimony. The father,
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Speaker 1: Justin Ross Harris convicted. Take a listen to this. The
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Speaker 1: court pronounces the following sentence. In the case of the
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Speaker 1: State of Georgia versus Justin Ross Harris, Criminal Action fourteen
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Speaker 1: nine three one two four as to account one, the
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Speaker 1: Court imposes the sentence of as to malice murder, with
31:27
Speaker 1: the jury having found the defendant guilty. Sentence of the
31:30
Speaker 1: Court is life to serve in confinement without parole. As
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Speaker 1: to account to felony murder guilty. It's vacated by law
31:38
Speaker 1: due to the conviction on account one as to count
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Speaker 1: three felony murder disposition by the jury of guilty. It
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Speaker 1: is also vacated by law due to conviction on account
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Speaker 1: one as to account for cruelty to children in the
31:54
Speaker 1: first degree the jury having found the defendant guilty. The
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Speaker 1: sentence of the court is twenty years to serve in confinement.
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Speaker 1: This will be consecutive to count one malice murder life
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Speaker 1: to serving confinement without parole. What that means is even
32:09
Speaker 1: after a life without parole's sentence, he still will serve
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Speaker 1: a twenty year sentence. Justin Ross Harris, convicted for leaving
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Speaker 1: his taught son in a hot car to die at
32:21
Speaker 1: this hour, is still in solitary confinement. Quote for his
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Speaker 1: own safety bombshell. Now Harris filing a round of appeals
32:33
Speaker 1: in a bid to get out of jail. Justin Ross
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Speaker 1: Harris sentence to life behind bars in two sixteen. He's
32:43
Speaker 1: been in jail since two fourteen. Is demanding a new
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Speaker 1: trial over the death of his taught son at just
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Speaker 1: twenty two months old. Ross Harris living the high life
32:54
Speaker 1: until his son dies in the back seat of his car. Remember,
32:59
Speaker 1: goes into work, stays there all day and even isn't
33:03
Speaker 1: this true? Robin Willinski goes out to lunch with some
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Speaker 1: of his friends, insists they take him to buy lightbulbs,
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Speaker 1: comes where they can see him, gets them to let
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Speaker 1: him off at his car with the baby in the
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Speaker 1: car at lunchtime, opens the back door where the baby is,
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Speaker 1: puts the lightbulbs in the seat, slams the door, and
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Speaker 1: goes back into work. Isn't that true, Robin accurate? How
33:33
Speaker 1: is he demanding a new trial? He claims that the
33:38
Speaker 1: judge in the case allowed some testimony in that shouldn't
33:45
Speaker 1: have been there, and that was against him, and this
33:48
Speaker 1: and that, and so he's hired a new lawyer and
33:51
Speaker 1: he wants a new trial, and this could come up
33:56
Speaker 1: in the next six months where his attorney has been
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Speaker 1: his new attorney has been given time to come up
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Speaker 1: with a date and say what are you going to
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Speaker 1: be read? And this is serious because not only is
34:08
Speaker 1: he enlisted the services of a brand new lawyer, the
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Speaker 1: founder and president of Kids and Cars dot org that
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Speaker 1: I've read many many times, Jeanette Fanelle, the founder and
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Speaker 1: president of Kids and Cars dot Org, says Ross Harris
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Speaker 1: is innocent and this was just a tragic memory loss
34:29
Speaker 1: and that killed Cooper Bombshell. Now, the dad sent to
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Speaker 1: prison for life twenty sixteen after leaving his son in
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Speaker 1: a hot car to die, has filed a new appeal
34:43
Speaker 1: and with the help of the founder of kids and
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Speaker 1: cars dot Org may very well get it. You know,
34:50
Speaker 1: he's complaining now about life behind bars, but I want
34:53
Speaker 1: you to hear about something else he complained about. Cobb
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Speaker 1: County Assistant District Attorney Chuck Boring says, Ross's range behavior
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Speaker 1: continues in the back of that police car, complaining about
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Speaker 1: everything from the cuffs to believe it or not, it
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Speaker 1: being too hot in the back seat. Within a minute
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Speaker 1: or two, if you're you allegedly discovering your son deceased
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Speaker 1: in the back of your car, you're in the patrol
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Speaker 1: car planning about how hot it is in the back
35:21
Speaker 1: of the car that struck police as well. How would
35:23
Speaker 1: you expect a grieving father who had accidentally placed his
35:27
Speaker 1: child in the back seat and left him there. How
35:28
Speaker 1: would you expect someone in that situation to act? I
35:31
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that there's a spectrum of reactions.
35:34
Speaker 1: You can't say one person is going to react a
35:36
Speaker 1: certain way, and Ross Harris's behavior was out of that spectrum.
35:39
Speaker 1: It was absolutely outside the norm. When word spreads of
35:42
Speaker 1: Ross's arrest, an outraged public quickly comes to his defense.
35:46
Speaker 1: The community thought it was just a horrific tragedy that
35:48
Speaker 1: it was a horrible accident. I think a lot of
35:50
Speaker 1: people can understand why the police were holding Ross Harris. Well,
35:53
Speaker 1: those Google surgieres didn't help his case, looking up hot
35:56
Speaker 1: car desk just before his son dies in a hot car.
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Speaker 1: So then he's complaining when he's put in the police
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Speaker 1: car after yelling FU to the police and becoming belligerent
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Speaker 1: with them at the scene of his son's the discovery
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Speaker 1: of his death, he's sitting in the backseat of the
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Speaker 1: car and he starts complaining about how hot it is.
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Speaker 1: All the cops just look at each other. I mean, really,
36:20
Speaker 1: the irony of that. And now he is demanding a
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Speaker 1: new trial, and he seems to have enlisted the aid
36:27
Speaker 1: of Kids and Cars dot Org. We'll see about that.
36:31
Speaker 1: Right now, his defense attorney, Rodriguez, is saying that Harris
36:37
Speaker 1: has found emotion for a new trial, arguing prejudicial testimony
36:41
Speaker 1: admitted by the judge made it an absolute impossibility for
36:46
Speaker 1: him to get a fair trial. You know a Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: private investigator, former author of Playbook to a Murderer, the
36:54
Speaker 1: founder and president of Kids and Cars dot org. It's
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Speaker 1: an organization focused on edgy hating everyone about the dangers
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Speaker 1: of leaving children in hot cars. Agrees that Harris is innocent.
37:07
Speaker 1: She says, quote, parents have so many things coming at them.
37:11
Speaker 1: Attention spans are getting much, so much shorter. Our Brian's
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Speaker 1: can't keep up. I don't believe that for one minute.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, Yeah, Nancy, here's some problem I have with that.
37:21
Speaker 1: He stops at the Chick fil A and listen, we're
37:24
Speaker 1: all parents here. Do you know when kids get you know,
37:26
Speaker 1: that greasy food. They're happy, they're jovulant, they're talking. And
37:31
Speaker 1: he's in the car with his son, who's probably like, yes,
37:34
Speaker 1: I got lay, I'm drinking my Jews. How do you
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Speaker 1: forget that your child is in the car, Nancy. And
37:41
Speaker 1: outside of that, you cannot escape the Google searches of
37:45
Speaker 1: hot card death. That shows intent. Now, if there was
37:49
Speaker 1: a Google search of how to do a mass shooting
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Speaker 1: and he left his son in the car, that's a
37:53
Speaker 1: different story. But the fact that you've searched how to
37:57
Speaker 1: conduct a hot card death shows your intent. You can't
38:02
Speaker 1: get around that. Well. Police say they were suspicious from
38:05
Speaker 1: the very beginning when they removed his son's lifeless body
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Speaker 1: from the suv. The child had been in the car
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Speaker 1: for seven hours. Right now, Justin Ross Harris, now seeking
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Speaker 1: a new trial. Will he walk free? We wait as
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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime story, signing off goodbye friend,