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Ep. 41 - Oracle of Delphi & the Python · Martyr's Row

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  This week on Martyrs Row! Was Apollo a mission
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  to space or a dragon slayer? Accidental time
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  travel? Was Socrates a narcissist or the smartest
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  man alive? Did ancient seek knowledge from a
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  belly button? Gut health may be more important
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  than you think. What? 3, 2, 1! Saint Athenogenes,
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  bishop and hymn writer of Podacto, in the days
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  of Diocletian, was taken with his ten disciples
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  for confessing the name of Christ. Being urged
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  to sacrifice to the idols, he gently refused,
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  saying he would offer only the sacrifice of praise
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  to the Lord. His disciples were put to death
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  before his eyes, yet he strengthened them to
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  the end, and himself went last to the fire. Tradition
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  sayeth that as he was led forth, he sang a hymn
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  of the Holy Spirit. Entering the flames with
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  joy, he commended his flock to God and yielded
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  up his spirit. Thus this shepherd, faithful in
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  life and fearless in death, offered himself as
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  a living song unto Christ. Anno Domini, 305.
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  Tip of the spear. Tip of the hat even for you.
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  Well hello there. Welcome to Martyrs Row. It
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  else. If you notice any time we do a reading
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  Doing all of it. Or singing it. But if you want
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  CGI and you're an editor, please come. We can't
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  pay you anything, but we would love for you to
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  do it. It would be cool. I would love it. Yeah,
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  I would love it. We would watch it. We would
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  all... You would have most liberties. You could
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  do every one. Actually, yeah, you could probably
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  do it. You just make us move around the whole
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  time and it's like... They would probably like
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  that. I would love it. If suddenly we're just
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  like on the moon. Yeah, or we're just constantly
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  moving the whole time. It's like, is this like
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  an LSD trip or something? Like what's going on?
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  I don't know. It's funny, speaking of LSD trips.
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  Okay. Somehow I always give you a perfect setup.
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  You do, it's so good. It's like you know. I don't.
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  I don't know these things, Paul. Have you been
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  sitting there? No. Not yet, not yet. Nope. Future
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  episode. I have a question for you. Okay. It's
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  not a question segment. No, no, no, no. But it's
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  like a little question. Okay. Small question.
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  Like a fun question. I love fun questions. Yeah.
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  Have you ever wanted a time travel? Have you
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  ever thought about it? I've thought about it.
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  I was just going to be like, I actually don't
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  think I like the idea anymore. Yeah. I'm not
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  a huge fan of it personally. Because like just
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  the complications of it. Oh man. Like what do
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  I wear? Yeah, and also like when you get back
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  all the taxes what you like you have to cover
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  those backtacks And just think about like all
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  your savings house probably get seized by the
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  government they're like dude you're gone for
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  like 200 years That's our money 200. Well, I
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  don't they'd all be dead. I don't know how long
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  you're going. Well fair enough but his time real
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  time in future mode What? Time travel? Yeah.
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  It's like this time, but later. But I would come
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  back. Oh, yeah, you have to come back. Yeah,
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  yeah, but I wouldn't come back later. You get
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  there and they're like, you've got nothing. I'd
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  be like, all right, I'm going back. I like how
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  they're all waiting. I show up and they're like,
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  no, go back. Send someone else. No, no, not you.
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  Well, I figured it out. No, no, no, no. Well,
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  how would you feel if you accidentally time traveled?
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  I would be terrified. Yeah. Same. If you just
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  came back and you're just like, oh, it's like
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  200 years in the future now. Yeah, that'd be
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  wild. What if I told you? Wait, if I came back
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  and it was 200 years in the future, wouldn't
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  it being 200 years in the future be the time
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  travel itself? I mean, yeah. Because you traveled.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. But if I came
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  back, it would be as if it never happened. I
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  guess I mean back by like you came back to reality.
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  Got it. OK. But just like later. Oh, so I just
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  like passed out. And then when I woke up, it
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  was 200 years later. Oh. Oh, OK. So accidental
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  time travel. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Isn't that what a coma is? I don't. Yes. Or crinotherapy?
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  Cryo cryo cryogenics. Yeah, they like freeze
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  you that's probably what happens. That's crazy
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  Didn't that happen to Captain America? I think
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  so. Well, he was in an ice cap wasn't he? Oh
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  Yeah, he was just like frozen in a tundra. Maybe
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  that's why they call him captain. He was in a
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  cap Anyway What if I told you that there is It's
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  a story. Okay, tell me a story Paul had a monk
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  Okay, who accidentally time -traveled huh? I
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  would say myth well Maybe okay, so it's not like
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  Smith or fantasy. It's not like some like hey.
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  I got an idea story Yeah, so this is actually
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  So actually, I'm gonna step myself back here.
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  It's a medieval Christian legend. Oh boy. But
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  that shows up in multiple countries. Okay. So
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  it's one of those where it's like, this could
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  be fake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also like, maybe
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  not. Sure. But there's actually multiple stories
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  throughout history about monks, particularly
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  ones who often like pray a lot, like are diligent
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  in prayer and meditation, who... Show up in other
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  places around the world. Yes. I'm thinking particularly
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  of the lady in the blue dress Yeah, do you know
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  about that one? Not willing to say it, but I've
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  heard don't say it. I won't don't say lady in
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  blue dress Do it if you do it one more time.
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  Oh, no, don't say the third time Later the blue
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  dress. No! This is where your CGI editing would
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  help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because now I've got
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  to edit it and it's not going to be good. Now
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  he's got to wear a blue dress. I have to wear
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  a blue dress. OK, go put your blue dress on,
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  Paul. OK. I don't want to do that. See, it has
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  to be practical. Those of you just listening,
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  you really should watch this. They're going to
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  come out and be like, I want to see Paul in a
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  blue dress. Why would you want to see that? Just
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  imagine Paul in a blue dress. It's just going
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  to cut to screen that says, shame on you. Why
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  would you want to see that? That's deplorable.
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  So tell me about this monk. OK, so there's this
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  monk. Displorable. I don't have control of my
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  words today. All right, so here's the story.
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  Here's the story. Welcome to the 4 AM. The 4
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  AM story time. Let's do it. Story of the monk
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  through time traveled. Pull up a candle. and
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  light a blanket. Pull up a candle and light a
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  blanket. Welcome to the ecosphere. Welcome to
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  the ecosphere. We'll see you in heaven. Alright,
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  here's the story. Don't do that. So, a monk hears
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  an angelic song outside his monastery. La la
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  la! See, we have to do that because we don't
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  have... That's also Captain Underpants. Oh, is
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  it really? Yeah. La la la! I feel like I need
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  to have kids just so I can understand your references.
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  No, that doesn't make sense. You can have kids
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  though. Okay, cool. It's enjoyable. Yeah. And
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  very exhausting. Yeah. So, the monk. The monk.
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  that unearthly, not quite human music, medieval
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  writers love to describe as beyond mortal melody.
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  That's beyond. He steps out just for a moment,
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  letting the sound pull him in. But when the singing
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  fades and he walks back inside, everyone looks
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  at him like he's a ghost. Turns out what felt
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  like five minutes to him was a hundred years
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  for everyone else. The monastery had changed.
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  The brothers he knew were long gone. Even the
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  rule was being observed a little bit differently.
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  And the only explanation anyone could settle
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  on was he got caught in the music of heaven where
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  time doesn't behave. Whoa. And so it's weird
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  is this isn't like a one -off thing. Okay. So
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  the story appears in different forms across medieval
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  Europe. Ireland, Brittany, and even early monastic
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  collections. Whoa. Right? That's crazy. So scholars
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  link this to the same tradition behind the Irish
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  myth. I'm not going to say this right. Oy -sen
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  -en -tear -na -nog? You have to say it with an
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  accent. Oy -sen -en -tear -na -nog. That's closer.
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  It's probably like, oh, now I know what you're
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  talking about. Or the seven sleepers of Ephesus,
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  which is another really interesting seven sleepers
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  of Ephesus. Yeah During the time Have you heard
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  of it? Sleepers of Ephesus, you said? Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. Well, I just think of the seven churches
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  of the Asia Minor. Oh, I see. Of which Ephesus
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  is the central, larger church. Yeah. That's interesting.
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  So this one's, it's weird, because I don't remember
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  how long. It might have been like 100 years.
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  And Diocletian's like 300 AD? Uh, yes. Yeah.
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  I'm just referencing our martyr. That's what
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  I was thinking of too. Yeah, so it was during
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  that time there were these seven Christians that
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  hid so they wouldn't be killed. Makes sense.
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  And then they hid in this cave and they were
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  like, I'm a little tired. They fell asleep and
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  they woke up. It was like 20 years in the future.
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  Wild. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, did they just go
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  into a coma? I guess so. I wonder if like where
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  they were, there was like natural gases that
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  actually induced them into a coma. That makes
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  sense. The gases were unstable. They were unstable.
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  Yes. Unstable gases in a cave cause you to go
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  to it. That's why you always bring a canary.
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  Yeah. But like if the climate conditions were
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  proper, like consistent and mostly cold, and
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  there was like a an actual flow of natural gas
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  coming up into the cave from the ground. They're
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  like, it probably could induce you into a coma
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  once you fell asleep. So they just had carbon
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  monoxide poisoning, but not enough. But yeah,
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  they wouldn't be poisoned. It would be like,
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  yeah, it would be like they were in coma induced
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  for 20 years. Yeah, it's so crazy. They probably
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  had massive headaches when they woke up. Well,
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  you think about that too, it's like they have
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  to learn how to walk again. Well, because if
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  you're unless your muscles are just like well,
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  I was just about to say yeah, but they didn't
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  right No, I mean they didn't have to walk. They
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  didn't have to learn What do you say at least?
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  It seems like they just kind of like time to
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  go. Oh, yeah, if they were actually in a coma,
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  they would have atrophied Yes, that's what you're
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  saying. Yeah. Yeah, yeah because to them they
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  like they didn't know That it had been that long.
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  They thought it was like a nap like a little
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  nap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I don't think people
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  in comas wake up and go man. That was a long
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  nap You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think
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  they're like tracking five months. No. They're
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  kind of just a little bit like it was yesterday
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  probably in their memory. Yeah. Although a lot
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  of people in comas say that they remember people
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  being in the room. Oh really? Yeah. That's a
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  different thing. But it is kind of that weird
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  thing though where it's like Is it another way
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  to take the like a thousand years is like a day
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  and a day is like a thousand years Okay, so it's
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  like if you are pulling into like a supernatural
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  space Then time probably does act differently
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  Yeah, well some kind of time distortion possibly
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  sure well theory of relativity would say that
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  It allows for that right so like if you move
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  if you move a long distance Yeah, or realms then
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  you're experiencing time away from time. Yeah,
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  yeah. So it would act differently to you as the
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  subject. Yes. Like the time around you, you become
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  the main character. Mm. You know what I mean?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little bit like you
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  missed the flight. Yeah. So the experience that
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  you have is uniquely yours. Mm. So yeah, yeah.
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  That would kind of make sense. That's so interesting.
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  Yeah. But yeah. So I mean, that being said. That's
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  wild. It's pretty wild. Because it's like potentially
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  actually true. That's the other crazy part. But
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  in the monastery, they would have known who he
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  was because they would have had like a picture
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  of him or something. Yeah, like gone missing.
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  Well, and that's the thing. There would have
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  been a legend of him. Like he walked outside
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  one day and never came back. Yeah. And then he
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  came back and he was like. Who are you guys why
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  you guys know who are you? No, they are all like
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  wait a minute. You're supposed to be dead like
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  a long time ago Yeah, but you're somehow the
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  same age you were a hundred years ago. Yeah,
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  that's gonna be the weirdest crazy. Yeah, cuz
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  otherwise he'd be like At minimum he'd be like
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  120 Yeah, he was probably 150. That's crazy.
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  Yeah wild Yeah, I wonder if he aged faster after
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  that accidental time travel Accidental time travel
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  But yeah, so, you know next time you guys are
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  in church or just walking down the street Sitting
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  in your house and you hear a hymn that sounds
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  a little too good I watched your shadow flicker
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  on the wall and wondered how We ever learn to
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  name our fears, or chart the fault lines in our
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  skin How every prophecy begins, we're memory
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  -worn then I found your bow like it was borrowed
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  I'm sure each kind will want it tomorrow A pile
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  and a python Two figures in a table we were tracing
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  in the dark A golden boy with something ancient
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  called Just when you need the heart And if the
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  endings blur Maybe that's the kindness I am worth
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  Still listening to stories Or serpents in merely
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  sleeping If you learn too late, the victory is
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  rarely in your keeping. He said the courage is
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  in conquest, and his knees slow on falling dawn.
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  The part where you admit the monsters never really...
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  You say it's just a lantern Showing where the
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  soul is cracked and cornered A power in the python
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  Two symbols on a scroll Never manage, manage
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  to That's the mercy left by God Maybe fate is
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  just a shoreline Where the waves erase your name
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  In every tide that draws forth It feels exactly
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  like the same But you follow it regardless Somewhere
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  past the break of light Hoping that the hero
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  learns to recognize Let it bruise me in two is
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  really kind slowly it keeps the monster breathing
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  still it keeps the hero blind no power in the
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  python no triumph here, no radiant display just
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  a trembling pair of figures trying to choose
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  a choice When Apollo was newly come of age He
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  descended from Olympus seeking a place for his
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  own sanctuary. His steps led him to Mount Parnassus,
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  where the earth breath rose from a cavern guarded
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  by the ancient serpent Python, born of Gaia and
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  older than the Olympian order. Python had once
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  hunted Apollo's mother Leto at Hera's command.
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  The god had not forgotten when he reached the
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  cavern near the Castellian spring. The serpent
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  rose from the shadows, its coils dragging like
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  roots torn from the earth, its hiss echoing across
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  the mountain. Apollo raised his bright bow and
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  let his arrows fly. The serpent lunged, shattering
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  trees and shaking the rocks, but the gods' shafts
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  struck scale after scale until Python fell in
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  a shuddering collapse. The place where its body
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  rotted became known as Pytho. There, Apollo purified
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  himself, claimed the oracle once guarded by the
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  serpent, and set his priestess, the Pytheia,
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  over its sacred fumes. From that victory, he
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  became Pytheian Apollo, and Delphi became the
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  ordered voice of prophecy, where chaos once coiled.
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  Hey, Paul. Hey. Why are you hiding behind the
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  light? I don't like to take the spotlight all
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  the time. So I was thinking tonight in this episode,
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  which is tonight. Right now? 4 a .m. Yes. It's
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  been a while since we've mentioned that. This
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  morning? Depends on if you just woke up or just...
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  Yeah, and you know we didn't just wake up. Yeah,
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  fair enough. We never sleep. I think tonight
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  we should talk. I'm gonna keep saying tonight.
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  Yeah, yeah. I think tonight we should talk in
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  this episode, episode 41, we should talk about
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  the Oracle of Delphi and the Python. What? It's
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  like a childhood story. It's kind of cool. I
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  feel like we need like a candle and like a blanket
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  for it. We should have done that. That was more
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  of like our Halloween episode. Yeah, that's true.
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  But a candle would be nice. Listen up kids. The
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  Oracle of Delphi. Yes. How much do you know about
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  the Oracle of Delphi? I know he was a big deal.
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  Was he a he? I think so. What if I was like,
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  strike one. So nothing, apparently. Yeah, that's
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  one of the things that I'm not really sure about.
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  Because the language of it is really interesting.
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  Yeah. Because this is one of those instances
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  where you have myth sliding into history. Yes.
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  So you get this mythical story as an origin that
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  slowly becomes actually historical documentation
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  of actual people working in a temple. Yes. So
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  like the line's a little blurry at which point...
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  Which is interesting. Yeah. It's like at what
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  point did it stop being... mythical and start
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  being reality? Or was the myth always reality?
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  Yeah, and that's part of it. It's like, we've
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  talked about it with myths, myths, a lot. It's
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  like, uh, mythos, mythos, mythosies, multiple
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  myths. On the myth, the mythi. The mythosphere.
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  Yeah. That's what it should be. That's good.
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  That's good. Way better than echo sphere. I don't
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  know about that. That's true. On the mythosphere.
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  That does have a good ring, too. I know, I see.
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  It does ring well. On the mythosphere, you will
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  hear from the ecosphere. Oh, OK. And then we
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  just kind of keep looping different things. And
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  it's just the same sphere. It's a lot of spheres.
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  It's cyclical. Everything's a sphere. Yeah. It's
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  all cyclical. But yeah, so like the origins of
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  myth. There's a lot of like layers to them. Yeah.
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  And I think the biggest thing is like, we've
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  talked about a lot on here, is that it's this
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  weird way of like, how do you tell a story, like
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  a real story, but integrate the supernatural
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  with the natural. Like how do you tell both things
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  at the same time? And I feel like that might
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  be what is kinda happening. Yeah, and it's almost
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  like, I think really it's like the advent of
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  the Greek culture brought in the modern historian.
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  Because it seems like everything before that
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  had more elements of supernatural things. Yeah.
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  I mean, so that was the big, you mentioned it
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  in the beginning of the reading there, where
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  it's like this, this was before the Olympian
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  order, which is like, oh, that's, I mean, that's
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  the prestige. That's where everything's organized.
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  It's put in place. And before that we see the
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  Python, which is depicted as like this dragon
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  character, the serpent or this dragon. So it's
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  like, oh, it's the classic representation of
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  like, this is chaos. Yeah. Yeah, and it's coming
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  from Gaia, Earth. So it's like, oh, it's like
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  unbridled chaos. Right. Do you know what Python
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  means? I don't. Which is the root of Python.
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  It means to rot. Really? Yeah, because in the
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  epic of, I think it's a Homeric, which, of Homer.
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  Yeah, makes sense. Which, how would you say that?
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  Like, what's the surname? the Irish surname that
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  means, like, from the house of. Do you know what
• 26:51
  I'm talking about? Wait, I do. It doesn't matter.
• 26:55
  But, yeah, so Python. I feel like I do have a
• 26:58
  bad Irish accent there. There you go. Gotta get
• 27:04
  it in. But Python, so it's the root of Python,
• 27:09
  and Python means to rot. Interesting and it comes
• 27:13
  from this idea that like the the Python the Python
• 27:16
  Which is in this space? was the rotting corpse
• 27:22
  mmm of the of the Python that Apollo slayings
• 27:29
  yeah, so it's like It's it's the place of the
• 27:33
  of the rotting corpse. That's interesting. Yeah,
• 27:36
  you know it's also interesting about this in
• 27:39
  this probably has no connection, but I just thought
• 27:41
  of it since we just talked about it in our last
• 27:43
  episode, which is in the Psalm, that's what it
• 27:47
  talks about that God slayed the Leviathan and
• 27:50
  then gave it out for food for the creatures of
• 27:55
  the field. The creature priests. You know what
• 28:00
  I mean. That's a wild blend. I'm back on it.
• 28:10
  I think I meant to say beasts, but then I was
• 28:13
  like, no, it's creatures. I like creature priests.
• 28:15
  I didn't stop myself. Oh, you know the creature
• 28:19
  priests? The priests. They're like these weird
• 28:22
  hybrid priest things. Oh, that's terrifying.
• 28:25
  Yeah, that's in the mythosphere. Yeah, for sure
• 28:27
  the mythosphere. You won't find that in the ecosphere.
• 28:31
  No, you will not. But it's like, oh, so essentially
• 28:35
  it's like, here's this. Monster yeah that God
• 28:39
  slayed and then gave it as food. So it's like
• 28:41
  here's a rotting corpse for you guys to eat from
• 28:43
  Oh, yeah, that's true. I wonder if there's some
• 28:45
  kind of tie -in with that. Well, I'm sure okay
• 28:47
  So so there's a there's kind of a lot to unpack
• 28:50
  in this. Yeah Let's let's actually unpack a little
• 28:54
  bit of it. Okay before we get to the Bible connection.
• 28:58
  Okay, cool because so the interesting thing about
• 29:01
  that is and this was actually kind of funny because
• 29:04
  as you do I Am like reading and reading about
• 29:10
  this right studying about it looking at it diving
• 29:14
  deep on it and My seven -year -old son comes
• 29:17
  and sits on next to me. I said hey you want to
• 29:19
  hear a crazy story So I read him the reading
• 29:24
  that you guys just heard that's incredible and
• 29:26
  I explained to him I said a long time ago. They
• 29:30
  believe that there was this space on this this
• 29:34
  mountain Mount Parnassus and they believe that
• 29:37
  on that mountain, it was the navel of the earth.
• 29:42
  I said, do you know what a navel is? He said,
• 29:44
  no, I said, it's your belly button. My kids are
• 29:51
  gonna grow up knowing wild stuff. Tomorrow on
• 29:56
  the playground. The campfire story is gonna be
• 29:57
  amazing. My son on the playground tomorrow is
• 30:01
  gonna be like, hey, let me tell you about. Apollo
• 30:04
  slaying. But the crazy thing about this is, okay,
• 30:08
  so this is the myth. So enter into the mythosphere.
• 30:11
  So the Greek myth is this idea that there was
• 30:14
  this, so this is where the language gets kind
• 30:17
  of weird because it's an oracle that there were
• 30:20
  oracles. And I meant to look up what that was
• 30:23
  because typically when you see oracle, that's
• 30:29
  usually identifying a position of a person. But
• 30:33
  oracle is actually prophetic words. Yes. Which
• 30:41
  makes sense because someone who is an oracle
• 30:43
  is someone who gives prophecy. Right, so oracle
• 30:46
  is not necessarily identifying of a being. Oh,
• 30:51
  interesting. It's more identifying of the word
• 30:54
  itself. So words coming forth that are prophetic
• 30:59
  are oracles. Not necessarily an identifier. So
• 31:04
  like when you look at the myth language Yeah,
• 31:06
  it gets kind of confusing because it's like the
• 31:07
  way this is used in a sentence doesn't look like
• 31:09
  it's referring to a person Looks like it's referring
• 31:12
  to words Yeah, so so saying that so the belief
• 31:18
  was that like the understanding was that there's
• 31:21
  this mythical creature and it's hard to even
• 31:24
  really call it that, but Python, the serpent
• 31:27
  of Parnassus. And what it was believed to be
• 31:30
  is that there was this serpent, the python, which
• 31:32
  is weird, because Python means to rot. So it's
• 31:37
  like, we've talked about that before, it's like,
• 31:40
  did it get its name after or before? That would
• 31:42
  be curious to find out. Yeah. So this idea was
• 31:47
  that, mountain, Mount Parnassus, which I feel
• 31:50
  like that's come up before, hasn't it? I feel
• 31:52
  like we've mentioned it at least once. It's a
• 31:53
  big part of Greek mythology. Yeah. Mainly because
• 31:58
  of Apollo. We probably, when we talked about
• 31:59
  Apollo. That makes sense. Because that's the
• 32:01
  other thing, is Apollo is not, Apollo's a hybrid.
• 32:05
  Yeah, he's the son of Zeus. Right. Yeah. So,
• 32:08
  by the way, Apollo's not a full -blooded human.
• 32:12
  Right. Now, does that mean he didn't exist? Don't
• 32:16
  know. I'm just saying who they claim his dad
• 32:21
  is. Yes. So, well, cause that's the other thing
• 32:25
  is like, well, Jesus's dad is God. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:30
  So like, is Satan the dad of Apollo? Which I'm
• 32:36
  making a few leaps there. For sure. For the people
• 32:39
  who are part of the ecosphere, who understand
• 32:41
  why that's not really a leap. Cause there are
• 32:43
  some weird connections in that. Cause Zeus goes
• 32:46
  back to Saturn. Yes. which goes back to basically
• 32:49
  Satan. It's kind of like that, it looks like
• 32:52
  a weird dark side of the Trinity. Yes. It's like,
• 32:55
  yeah, so you have Zeus, who's Saturn, which go
• 32:58
  back to our other episodes if you want to, and
• 33:00
  then here's his hybrid son, Apollo. Yes. And
• 33:04
  he does, which we'll talk about, what he does.
• 33:08
  And then as it goes on, you can probably see
• 33:11
  some of the more of the connections as we go
• 33:13
  into, but then it's like you see that connection
• 33:15
  to here's God, the Father. Yeah. who then has
• 33:19
  a son, which is Jesus, and that's gonna sound
• 33:21
  like heresy, but I'm just gonna stay with me
• 33:24
  here. Or better said, sins his son. There you
• 33:28
  go. That's actually way better. He reveals his
• 33:32
  son. Reveals the son. That's better. Let me say
• 33:37
  it that way. That's not a heresy. Reveals the
• 33:41
  son in flesh. Yes. And then he does... In some
• 33:46
  ways, you could say similar things that Apollo
• 33:48
  does. Yes. And actually, Jesus himself even says
• 33:51
  that in Revelation in one of the letters. Well,
• 33:54
  Python is a serpent and a being of chaos. Yeah.
• 34:02
  So Apollo slaying the Python is bringing order
• 34:07
  to the world. Yeah. Yeah. And Well, I'll get
• 34:13
  to the oracles in a minute. And if you're like,
• 34:18
  well, was Apollo a real person? Well, let me
• 34:21
  say this. Is it Apollos? I forget what exactly
• 34:26
  it is. But if you read the book of Revelation,
• 34:29
  it tells us that there will be a seed of Satan
• 34:32
  that is an actual human, but not a pure human.
• 34:36
  but a hybrid being. And if you believe that Revelation
• 34:40
  is telling us that there will actually be a physical
• 34:45
  being that is similar to Jesus, but a deception
• 34:51
  in the final antichrist, and potentially, maybe
• 34:59
  we should do, well, it's more of a thought, really,
• 35:02
  because it's like, is, I like this idea that,
• 35:08
  I heard this said the other day, that Satan doesn't,
• 35:11
  so no one knows the day or the hour when Jesus
• 35:13
  will return. So there's an idea that some people
• 35:18
  have thrown out there that the devil, the ancient
• 35:23
  serpent, that has appointed an antichrist for
• 35:30
  every generation so that an antichrist is there
• 35:33
  when Jesus returns. Right? So that idea, which
• 35:38
  is not... I have heard that before, and it's
• 35:42
  the idea that... Because it's like you look throughout
• 35:45
  history and it's like, here are these horrible
• 35:46
  people throughout generations, and it's like,
• 35:49
  well, that looks like the Antichrist. Well, that
• 35:50
  looks like... Well, but the tricky thing... And
• 35:52
  it's that idea is like, there's not the Antichrist,
• 35:55
  but there are Antichrists. Yeah, and the tricky
• 35:58
  thing with that is like, you know... I guess
• 36:02
  my question would be, and this is maybe something
• 36:04
  that we could explore in a future episode, my
• 36:06
  question would be, it seems like in the tradition
• 36:08
  of Nimrod, one who became a gibberim, that he
• 36:14
  worked his way towards lower G godhood. So he
• 36:20
  tainted his blood, not born of a... lowercase
• 36:26
  G Elohim or lowercase G God, I guess lowercase
• 36:30
  E Elohim, lowercase G God. But he tainted his
• 36:39
  bloodline on purpose. And then we see that through
• 36:42
  history. We see the sacrificial rituals and the
• 36:47
  things that all of these leaders like a Hitler
• 36:49
  did that were reminiscent of a Nimrod who was
• 36:54
  actually they were trying to become gibberine.
• 36:57
  I mean, even like the super soldier. I mean,
• 37:00
  that's, that is like trying to make Nephilim.
• 37:05
  There's like not another way to like, that's
• 37:07
  the most biblical way you could say that. But,
• 37:11
  but so like, because think about like if agents
• 37:14
  of if the agents of darkness that sounds like
• 37:17
  a 90s Christmas Christmas Christian show yeah
• 37:21
  the agents of darkness are on us but like think
• 37:23
  if you're like putting together an army to fight
• 37:26
  yeah and you're like well I want to have a Goliath
• 37:31
  mm -hmm and his brothers so yeah how did Goliath
• 37:34
  exist well let me try and figure out how to create
• 37:37
  that Right? So like that's, you see that. But
• 37:40
  I guess my point is like, when you look through
• 37:43
  from the tradition of Nimrod, you see all of
• 37:46
  these, and you could almost say in some ways
• 37:49
  that like, like Nimrod is definitely the first
• 37:51
  of his kind post Genesis six. We talked about
• 37:54
  that before with Gabor and Gaborim. But you kind
• 37:58
  of have that spirit in Cain as well with Cain
• 38:01
  and Abel, but not to that extent. So like, It's
• 38:06
  one of those things where like you see these
• 38:07
  leaders in every generation trying to achieve
• 38:11
  Godhood in a different way. And I'm like, side
• 38:16
  note, I wonder if right now in this generation,
• 38:21
  if the like Hitler is not actually leading an
• 38:24
  army of physical people, but maybe of robots.
• 38:32
  This particular episode. It's all exploratory.
• 38:35
  It could be in the meth series. But we're going
• 38:40
  to anchor it in a minute. Have you seen those
• 38:43
  home AI robots? They're getting wild. It's weird.
• 38:47
  But here's the scary thing. No, it's weird that
• 38:48
  it's just a person in there. Has that been proven?
• 38:53
  Yeah. Because they're like, oh yeah, so they're
• 38:57
  going to be fully autonomous. But right now they
• 39:00
  aren't. So we just have some guy with like a
• 39:02
  VR headset on. Wait, what? Yeah. So you pay like
• 39:07
  20 grand, and it's just like some guy in the
• 39:10
  Philippines with just like AI glasses on, goggles
• 39:13
  on, that is just controlling this robot. Oh.
• 39:17
  Oh, yeah, yeah. No, so I know that. I'm saying
• 39:18
  the robot itself. Oh, no, like it is just a robot.
• 39:21
  Yeah, no, but that's scary. Oh, yes. Because
• 39:27
  like the robot itself. the movements of it. That's
• 39:31
  what people were saying. People were saying like,
• 39:33
  well that's not actually a robot. That's a person
• 39:36
  inside of a suit that they're calling a robot.
• 39:39
  But here's the thing. Some of these robots can
• 39:42
  do acrobatics. It's pretty crazy. But here's
• 39:44
  the thing though. We're in an age of blending
• 39:49
  reality with non -reality, virtual reality. in
• 39:54
  a way where AI videos and creation from AI itself
• 39:58
  is so good that there's a potential that these
• 40:02
  robots don't actually exist, but that they're
• 40:05
  AI videos or projections. Oh, interesting. That
• 40:08
  are being created, you know what I mean? That
• 40:11
  would be fascinating. Or, yeah, there's a, this
• 40:15
  is a, yeah. Hold their side tension. But the
• 40:19
  point being is like, does Apollo, in the Greek
• 40:24
  pantheon, was that actually referring to a physical
• 40:28
  being? And I think we would argue that it does,
• 40:35
  but it has been, what would you call that? It's
• 40:41
  been blown out of proportion. Yeah, it's been
• 40:44
  hyperbolized. Yeah, I'm trying not to say mythologized
• 40:49
  to a... Yeah, so you wanna do the word justice.
• 40:52
  Right, because it's something else. It's been
• 40:56
  theatricalized. Dramatized? Dramatized, in a
• 41:01
  way that makes it feel not real at all. Yeah,
• 41:06
  I guess some other way to say it's made it more
• 41:07
  fantasy. There you go, that's what I'm looking
• 41:10
  for. That's the word, yeah. So myth has actually,
• 41:13
  we call it myth now, but it would be more true
• 41:15
  to the word fantasy. Because myth is just simply
• 41:19
  like, if you are a Christian or if you've had
• 41:23
  experiences that you can't explain in the natural
• 41:27
  space, then that story is by definition a myth.
• 41:32
  Because if you tell history with a supernatural
• 41:36
  event, that is a myth. So if you're a human,
• 41:41
  you've probably had out -of -body experiences
• 41:44
  or things that you can't tangibly explain. And
• 41:47
  when you retell that story, you're telling a
• 41:49
  personal myth. That doesn't mean it's not true.
• 41:52
  It's also not a fantasy. It's just unexplainable
• 41:55
  by the five senses. So myth is not far away.
• 42:00
  It's... It is in us. It is with us. We are myth.
• 42:05
  I mean, in a way. This is the mythosphere, after
• 42:09
  all. That's so true. Man, such a better word.
• 42:11
  How did we not get there until now? I don't know.
• 42:15
  But, so like, when you think about that, like
• 42:18
  the... Apollo, so Apollo in the Greek pantheon.
• 42:22
  So we see in Revelation that there's an Apollos
• 42:25
  whose son of the antichrist, he's actually a
• 42:28
  seed of Satan. And that's a real being. Whether
• 42:32
  that, like in Revelation, it's similar to what
• 42:38
  we see in Genesis chapter six, not similar language
• 42:43
  to what we see with Nimrod. So it's not necessarily
• 42:46
  that Apollos becomes a gibberim, but instead
• 42:50
  he is born one, which is a whole different thing.
• 42:53
  So if that is in Revelation, and we look at the
• 42:58
  Greek pantheon and it mentions somebody like
• 43:00
  Apollo, who is the son of Zeus, but has a human
• 43:04
  mother, then is that, that's not true. Did he
• 43:10
  have a human mother? Yeah, he didn't have a human
• 43:12
  mother, did he? Wasn't his mom Athena? Oh, was
• 43:16
  it? Maybe. I actually don't know right now. Go
• 43:18
  back to our myth series. I think it very well
• 43:20
  could be. Anyways. Um, anyways, uh, okay. So
• 43:27
  Apollo, he's, he goes up to Mount Parnassus and
• 43:30
  he goes up to the Python and he slays the dragon
• 43:34
  basically. So the son of Zeus, the savior of
• 43:38
  the world comes and slays the dragon. The interesting
• 43:43
  thing though is that they call there's like Basically,
• 43:47
  the python is in a hole. And the hole is said
• 43:51
  to be the navel of the earth. But that navel
• 43:56
  of the earth is sending knowledge through the
• 44:02
  python. Are you getting hungry? My navel's got
• 44:08
  some knowledge. Do you have something to say,
• 44:11
  buddy? Navel knowledge. Navel knowledge. It's
• 44:17
  not alliteration, but it sounds like it. By sound,
• 44:21
  it is. I couldn't think of the word for that.
• 44:24
  There is a word for it, right? Yeah. OK. But
• 44:27
  it's a near rhyme. but yeah so the navel of the
• 44:33
  earth where there's knowledge coming through
• 44:34
  the python and so what would happen is is there
• 44:37
  would be priests or priestesses priestess priestesses
• 44:42
  yeah yeah uh there's so many s's in it priestess
• 44:46
  style uh both women and men priests there you
• 44:51
  go it's like male and female actor right yeah
• 44:55
  they're all actors well one's an actress well
• 44:59
  not anymore that's true Not post 2020. You're
• 45:03
  so right. I'm so behind the times. But in that,
• 45:10
  you have this moment where Apollo goes up to
• 45:12
  the mountain and this being, this serpent, this
• 45:18
  dragon, who is the one who contains all of these
• 45:25
  prophecies and words of knowledge, he slays it
• 45:31
  and he basically takes the knowledge for himself.
• 45:34
  And he becomes the keeper of the knowledge. And
• 45:37
  then they build a temple there on Mount Parnassus
• 45:40
  to Apollo. And then there are priests and priestesses
• 45:43
  of Apollo in the tradition of Apollo. And this
• 45:47
  is really interesting because basically they
• 45:49
  say that that hole, which if you've ever been
• 45:54
  there, which I have not, it would be interesting
• 45:56
  to know if there's actually a hole. That would
• 45:58
  be kind of cool actually. We can probably look
• 46:00
  it up. Any knowledge today? Hello down there!
• 46:07
  Hello! Why does it talk like that? So here's
• 46:12
  the interesting thing. They said that the Python
• 46:14
  didn't speak their language. So it would make
• 46:17
  sounds and gestures and things like that, which
• 46:20
  makes sense. It's like a big serpent just doing
• 46:23
  weird stuff. They're like, oh, it's telling me
• 46:25
  a prophecy. It's like, no, I'm saying I'm hungry.
• 46:29
  It just then decides to speak. Yeah. Like words
• 46:33
  like, it's prophetic. It's like, no, it's actually
• 46:35
  just hungry. So they would interpret it. Yeah.
• 46:38
  Basically. So the priest and the priestess, they
• 46:40
  would interpret this. And there's this lineage
• 46:44
  of priests, right? And this lineage eventually,
• 46:49
  like this is the weird thing is like, so that
• 46:51
  is pre -Olympia, right? Yes. Once the Olympic
• 46:56
  order comes in, meaning, like Olympus is where
• 47:00
  Zeus is over Olympus, Mount Olympus. And it's
• 47:04
  like kind of a Garden of Eden space. It's like
• 47:07
  this middle space. And then Apollo comes down
• 47:12
  from Mount Olympus and then that's when he goes
• 47:14
  to Mount Parnassus and slays the serpent and
• 47:18
  he basically takes over the knowledge that's
• 47:21
  coming out from the earth. So it's the place
• 47:24
  at which knowledge comes from the earth. which
• 47:28
  sounds very much like this is the ancient serpent
• 47:32
  who's giving knowledge of the watchers that are
• 47:35
  down in Tartarus. Yeah, absolutely. So it's like,
• 47:40
  okay. What? And maybe Mount Parnassus is like
• 47:45
  a deceptive or a reflection mountain of Mount
• 47:49
  Hermon. Oh, which would be interesting. That
• 47:52
  would be very interesting. Yeah, so but I mean
• 47:54
  even unlike the the way that I like to take it
• 47:57
  often too because the other the other spot with
• 47:59
  this that we see in the story of Him killing
• 48:02
  the python and taking it the knowledge for himself.
• 48:04
  Yeah Is that you know, so the the python is this
• 48:09
  rots means rot like you said so it's this chaos
• 48:12
  and that's the thing that's Basically protecting
• 48:15
  or guarding all of the prophecy all the knowledge.
• 48:18
  Yeah And so then when Apollo comes and kills
• 48:21
  chaos, and basically establishes order because
• 48:24
  of that, now he's able to give out ordered prophecy
• 48:29
  and ordered knowledge. And in some way, it's
• 48:32
  like the tree and the garden is the humans take
• 48:37
  possession of it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. There's
• 48:41
  so many different parallels in this. Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:44
  But yeah, so you see that. that's the tradition
• 48:49
  pre -Olympic time frame meaning like before there
• 48:55
  was a temple place there for Apollo and recognizing
• 49:00
  Apollo doing traditions too and like sacrifices
• 49:03
  and rituals to Apollo in order to receive his
• 49:08
  knowledge that he is getting from the depths
• 49:11
  of the earth. Which, if you're trying to gain
• 49:13
  knowledge, don't try and get it from the depths
• 49:15
  of the earth. Just FYI. Wait, there's so many
• 49:21
  rocks down there. That's how they get to China.
• 49:28
  Let's see how long it takes. But they're in Greece,
• 49:30
  so where would they end up? Oh yeah. Don't know.
• 49:33
  But anyways. It's just in the ocean. Yeah, probably.
• 49:36
  Pacific. Yeah, but, so... There's just some volcano
• 49:40
  on the other side. It just shoots out. Yeah,
• 49:42
  they're like in Hawaii, and they're like, what
• 49:44
  the... Yeah. Well, if they went in the naval,
• 49:46
  what'd they come out of? Don't think about it
• 49:49
  too hard. I was like, it's not your back. A little
• 49:53
  lower. So, anyways... Oh boy. So, Python... This
• 50:02
  is 4AM. So, so Python, so okay, so we can, the
• 50:10
  reason why I wanted to like dig into that mythology
• 50:12
  first is because we have to bring it, like that
• 50:15
  kind of, like we could almost say that the mythos
• 50:18
  created by those who initially established or
• 50:23
  wrote down the Greek pantheon, the knowledge
• 50:29
  that they received, these are the stories that
• 50:31
  were told to them. So like the, like, Apollo
• 50:39
  communicating to the priests of Apollo. That's
• 50:42
  the story that he's telling them. That makes
• 50:45
  sense, yeah. So if you look at it that way, it's
• 50:47
  like, well, at what point does it go from being,
• 50:52
  spiritual being potentially, to human being,
• 50:56
  and really that... would be defined in those
• 50:59
  who are doing rituals in the temple to Apollo
• 51:03
  himself. Yeah. And receiving that knowledge or
• 51:06
  information. Yeah. So you're like, at some point,
• 51:09
  it shifts from like fantasy to reality. But really,
• 51:14
  I would say more from like spiritual being to
• 51:18
  human being. Yeah. And that's kind of the difference
• 51:21
  is like it becomes it goes from what we would
• 51:23
  perceive as fantasy into mythology. and then
• 51:27
  eventually into history, categorically. So, the
• 51:32
  origins of it, we would call fantasy, unless
• 51:35
  you have a supernatural view of history. And
• 51:41
  then you would call it mythology, which would
• 51:44
  be historical. So, yeah. Yeah, and it gets weird
• 51:49
  in there too, for sure. Just because we're saying
• 51:52
  that myths are potentially historical doesn't
• 51:54
  mean they're all right. Because there are things,
• 51:57
  there are details that they get wrong, obviously,
• 51:59
  especially when you compare it to scripture.
• 52:01
  Yeah. Which we've done in previous episodes.
• 52:04
  All right. So let me jump quickly then into the
• 52:07
  scripture. OK. So Python was a primordial serpent
• 52:11
  tied to the earth. Love it. Tied. It's pretty
• 52:15
  wild. So it guarded the earth's prophetic navel,
• 52:20
  a fissure in the ground where the earth spoke.
• 52:23
  So that's how they would see it. It was not a
• 52:26
  priest or a prophet, but a guardian of earth
• 52:28
  -born prophetic power. So this is like Mother
• 52:32
  Nature. This is the earth speaking to us. And
• 52:37
  this keeper of that knowledge was the python.
• 52:44
  And this is the serpent that was at the foot
• 52:48
  of Parnassus. Which is also interesting. When
• 52:52
  we think of it from the perspectives that this
• 52:55
  information is coming from, it's like, oh, it's
• 52:58
  coming from the people that don't love God. Right.
• 53:02
  So it's like, oh yeah, there's knowledge being
• 53:04
  whispered up from the depths of the earth. It's
• 53:06
  like, well, that does sound like there's a portal
• 53:10
  there from Tartarus or Sheol. And it's like,
• 53:15
  hey. And there's a dragon guarding it. Yeah.
• 53:19
  And I really just got to paint that. Yeah. But
• 53:22
  like, the other interesting thing is it's at
• 53:26
  the foot of Mount Parnassus and it's by the spring
• 53:30
  of Castalia. Oh, interesting. So you're like,
• 53:33
  okay, a tree of knowledge by a spring of living
• 53:37
  water. Yeah. But the tree of knowledge is actually
• 53:41
  a serpent stuck in a hole. So not necessarily
• 53:45
  from up to down, but more so from down to up.
• 53:50
  However it needs to pass through. Yeah. So yeah,
• 53:54
  so there were these priests there that would
• 53:58
  receive that knowledge, and it's pretty interesting
• 54:01
  to see that. Okay, so then you go like, well,
• 54:04
  what does this have to do with anything at all?
• 54:08
  Right? Because it's fun. It is fun. All right,
• 54:11
  so here's where this has to do with something.
• 54:14
  What we've seen and what we talked about, and
• 54:16
  actually I'm gonna specifically reference the
• 54:18
  conversation that we had around the word or name
• 54:23
  Lucifer. Because the name Lucifer, if you go
• 54:26
  back and watch that episode, we find that in
• 54:29
  the Vulgate, both Satan and Jesus are referred
• 54:35
  to as Lucifer. And why is that? Cause we didn't
• 54:39
  finish translating. Well, what does that word
• 54:47
  mean? It means light -bearer. It means light
• 54:49
  -bearer, but it was intentionally, it was a Greek
• 54:53
  name that was referencing the planet Venus. Right.
• 54:59
  So Lucifer was the Greek name for the planet
• 55:01
  Venus. The Latin name. Sorry, yes. So Lucifer
• 55:06
  is the Latin name for the Greek planet Venus.
• 55:11
  And that Greek culture saw Venus as the bright
• 55:16
  and morning star. It was the gate to the other
• 55:19
  side. Right, it's like, it makes me think of
• 55:22
  Peter Pan. Like when they fly. Go to Neverland?
• 55:26
  Yeah, when they go to Neverland, it's like past
• 55:27
  the third star, off to the, they're going through
• 55:30
  the portal of Venus. By the way. Sorry. Mr. Pan.
• 55:36
  Again, I have to bring Disney into everything.
• 55:38
  Also, Peter Pan's the villain of the story. Let
• 55:40
  me just say that first of all. 100%. Yeah. I
• 55:43
  mean, he's an angel. He's a angel, or he's masquerading
• 55:48
  as an angel of light. Yes. Taking them through
• 55:50
  the portal of Venus. Taking children. Through
• 55:52
  the portal of Venus. Yeah. He's escorting them
• 55:55
  into there. Yeah. Into a place where they'll
• 55:58
  never die. Yeah. I mean. And the only person
• 56:01
  trying to stop him, he's trying to kill him.
• 56:03
  Yes. Yeah, anyways, um, so now you know that
• 56:07
  Yeah, so So so Lucifer is the Latin translation
• 56:13
  of the Greek name for Venus and Venus was used
• 56:18
  in the the Greek Septuagint in the it's used
• 56:24
  as a Replacement name for Brighton Morningstar.
• 56:28
  Yes, meaning that was interchangeable the name
• 56:32
  for Venus was interchangeable with the bright
• 56:37
  and morning star. It's like, it meant the same
• 56:39
  thing. So it became a proper noun somewhere in
• 56:42
  the Septuagint, and then translating that into
• 56:45
  the Latin was translated that way instead of
• 56:48
  going back to the Hebrew. Because that was the
• 56:50
  difference is that when Jerome translates the
• 56:53
  Vulgate, he goes back to the Hebrew, but for
• 56:56
  some reason with Lucifer, he doesn't. He makes
• 57:01
  the Latin of the Greek, which gives us Lucifer
• 57:04
  instead of Bright and Morning Star. So bringing
• 57:09
  that in past episodes, go back and look at that.
• 57:12
  So the reason why I mentioned that is because
• 57:14
  we get to Pythos and we get to Apollo and this...
• 57:23
  oracle, this prophetic language that's coming
• 57:27
  up from the earth that they're worshiping a being
• 57:31
  who is giving them knowledge from the depths
• 57:34
  of the earth. This is what's happening. And if
• 57:38
  you're like, huh, where is the, is this somewhere
• 57:42
  in the Bible? And it is, but it's not called
• 57:47
  Mount, the Mount Parnassus. And it's also not
• 57:50
  called Pytho in our what it eventually becomes,
• 57:56
  this space, what was the original place? Parnassus?
• 58:05
  Parnassus, but no, it's a word that will be recognizable
• 58:11
  as soon as I say it. But it basically, so Mount
• 58:15
  Parnassus is in the northwest of Athens, so it's
• 58:17
  in Greece. But it was, yeah, so that mountain,
• 58:23
  Parnassus, and then it eventually, oh, Pytho.
• 58:26
  So Python lived at Pytho, right? Python lives
• 58:29
  at Pytho. Not very creative. And Pytho means
• 58:32
  to rot, because they would say that it smelled
• 58:35
  of the rotting corpse of the serpent. Meaning
• 58:39
  there was an era there of defeat of the serpent
• 58:44
  guarding the knowledge by Apollo and this...
• 58:48
  was a temple to the achievements of Apollo, to
• 58:54
  his victory. But later, Pitho becomes known as
• 59:01
  Delphi. And you go, okay, Delphi, does that sound
• 59:06
  familiar? Sure it is. Well, it does, but it's
• 59:08
  actually not explicitly in the Bible. Surprise,
• 59:16
  surprise. It's not explicitly in the Bible. And
• 59:21
  like, correct me if I'm wrong on this. I couldn't
• 59:25
  find it anywhere. I'll be honest, I didn't look
• 59:28
  at that specifically. I can't tell you, but part
• 59:33
  of me wants to say it is in there somewhere.
• 59:35
  In reference to like Solomon, I think that's
• 59:38
  where I always hear it from. Maybe. Like the
• 59:40
  Oracle of Delphi. That might be it. So the Oracle
• 59:44
  of Delphi is referring to oracles or priests
• 59:48
  of Apollo who are at Delphi, which used to be
• 59:53
  called Pythos, which is at the foot of Mount
• 59:57
  Parnassus, which is where Apollo slayed the Python.
• 1:00:02
  That's Delphi. And the oracles of Delphi are
• 1:00:07
  getting the knowledge from the earth by serving
• 1:00:12
  as priests or priestesses of Apollo. who is the
• 1:00:17
  knowledge keeper of the knowledge of the knowledge
• 1:00:21
  of the earth yeah so what does that mean it means
• 1:00:23
  that a an oracle of delphi is a priest or priestess
• 1:00:29
  who is doing rituals and serving the god apollo
• 1:00:34
  who is keeping and managing the secrets and the
• 1:00:40
  prophecies that are coming up from the depths
• 1:00:43
  of the earth. Right? So this is essentially a
• 1:00:46
  priestess of the underworld. Yes. So an oracle
• 1:00:50
  of Delphi is that. Yes. Now, here's the thing.
• 1:00:55
  Oracles of Delphi. I feel like I've heard that.
• 1:00:58
  I know about it. And I feel like I want to say
• 1:01:03
  it's in the Bible. I can't find it anywhere.
• 1:01:05
  OK. in the English translation. Yeah, that's
• 1:01:08
  fair. But here's where I find it. So in Acts
• 1:01:12
  16, starting in verse 16, we get this instance
• 1:01:18
  where Paul and Silas, right, they're going through
• 1:01:22
  and they are actually, they are actually in Philippi,
• 1:01:27
  right, which is a leading city of the district
• 1:01:30
  of Macedonia and a Roman colony. So they're going
• 1:01:33
  through this area and Acts 16, starting in verse
• 1:01:37
  16, says this, as we were going to the place
• 1:01:39
  of prayer, we were met by a slave, and this is
• 1:01:44
  not Paul speaking, it's actually Luke speaking,
• 1:01:47
  which is interesting. But as we were going to
• 1:01:50
  the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl
• 1:01:53
  who had a spirit of divination and brought her
• 1:01:56
  owners much gain by fortune telling. She followed
• 1:02:01
  Paul and us, crying out, These men are servants
• 1:02:04
  of the Most High God who proclaim to you the
• 1:02:07
  way of salvation. And this she kept doing for
• 1:02:11
  many days. Now, this is a fortune teller who
• 1:02:16
  is a slave who had a spirit of divination. Yes.
• 1:02:21
  But is proclaiming truth. Yes. So it's a little
• 1:02:25
  confusing because you're like, yeah, why is this
• 1:02:28
  a bad thing? Well. It tells you why initially.
• 1:02:34
  She had a spirit of divination, and she was enslaved
• 1:02:39
  because of the spirit of divination that she
• 1:02:41
  had and the money that she would make her owners
• 1:02:44
  by fortune telling. And she was saying, these
• 1:02:50
  men are servants of the Most High God who proclaim
• 1:02:52
  to you the way of salvation. And this she kept
• 1:02:55
  doing for many days. I wanna stop right here
• 1:02:59
  real quick because, this is like putting my preaching
• 1:03:02
  hat on for a second, because here's what's interesting
• 1:03:05
  about this. If a false spirit or a false teacher
• 1:03:11
  begins with truth, then they get you to believe
• 1:03:16
  that what they are saying is true. So what's
• 1:03:19
  happening here is this spirit of divination speaking
• 1:03:22
  through the fortune teller is speaking actual
• 1:03:25
  truth. in order to gain a good reputation as
• 1:03:29
  a fortune teller and oracle so that people will
• 1:03:34
  trust what she says. Makes sense. So there are
• 1:03:37
  moments where these spirits are saying things
• 1:03:41
  that are true. And a lot of times that's how
• 1:03:44
  it starts. I mean, and that's how they would
• 1:03:47
  get Christians too. Yeah, exactly. And that's
• 1:03:49
  what's happening. My favorite... My favorite
• 1:03:53
  thing probably ever written by Luke, the physician,
• 1:03:59
  is this next line. It says, and this she kept
• 1:04:04
  doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly
• 1:04:08
  annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, I command
• 1:04:13
  you in the name of Jesus to come out of her.
• 1:04:15
  And it came out that very hour. So Paul, We don't
• 1:04:20
  have this moment where Luke goes and this was
• 1:04:23
  creating a deception and being deceiving to the
• 1:04:26
  No, Paul was greatly annoying just like Can you
• 1:04:30
  stop please? We've heard enough we get it and
• 1:04:34
  notice that he doesn't address the girl right
• 1:04:37
  doesn't address the slave girl He addresses the
• 1:04:39
  spirit within her. Yes, right because he recognizes
• 1:04:43
  that she is possessed by a spirit of divination
• 1:04:46
  Yeah now Here's where this is interesting. So
• 1:04:50
  in the English translation, we get the translation
• 1:04:54
  spirit of divination. However, the Greek word
• 1:04:57
  here, so if you read it in Greek, which is what
• 1:05:01
  it was originally written in, it actually says
• 1:05:04
  the spirit of, or the Pneuma, which is Greek
• 1:05:09
  for spirit, it reads as, and it would be backwards,
• 1:05:13
  so it actually reads as, the It reads as I want
• 1:05:23
  to say this in the right order it reads as Python
• 1:05:28
  Numa So spirit of divination the actual Greek
• 1:05:33
  word for divination that's used in Greek is Python
• 1:05:37
  That's interesting. So it's literally saying
• 1:05:41
  a girl who was who had a spirit of Python Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  And so divination is what we have there. That's
• 1:05:50
  so interesting. Right? And divination is an explanatory
• 1:05:55
  expression of what she possessed. Yeah. But the
• 1:05:59
  Greek word is very specific. And it goes back
• 1:06:02
  to the Lucifer thing. And it's like a direct
• 1:06:04
  pointing to like, hey, that's what I'm talking
• 1:06:06
  about. It's exactly. Because what it says, what
• 1:06:09
  the passage actually says is, so if you read
• 1:06:13
  it more in the Greek, It says a certain slave
• 1:06:16
  girl having a spirit of python met us who brought
• 1:06:20
  her masters much profit by fortune telling. Well
• 1:06:23
  what fortune is she telling? The secrets that
• 1:06:26
  she gets from the temple of Apollo as a priestess
• 1:06:29
  as she's possessed by the spirit of python to
• 1:06:34
  deliver the knowledge of the depths of the earth.
• 1:06:37
  And that makes sense especially because at this
• 1:06:39
  time Yeah, that was kind of like a very institutionalized
• 1:06:44
  thing. For sure. Like divination. Yeah. And so
• 1:06:48
  yeah, it makes sense that they're like, oh yeah,
• 1:06:50
  we have this girl who does our divination for
• 1:06:54
  us. She goes to the temple, does her stuff. She
• 1:06:56
  comes out, she makes us a ton of money. Yes.
• 1:06:58
  Yeah. So it's like, it's basically just like
• 1:07:01
  a business transaction to them. Yeah, yeah. For
• 1:07:04
  sure. But it's an actual spirit that's possessing
• 1:07:06
  her. Yeah. So what you can read here is, going
• 1:07:10
  back to the Paul and Silas in Acts 16, if you
• 1:07:13
  read in the full context, then here's basically,
• 1:07:16
  let me give the commentary in the middle of this.
• 1:07:19
  As we were going to the place of prayer, we were
• 1:07:21
  met by a slave girl who had a spirit of python
• 1:07:25
  and brought her owners much gain by fortune telling.
• 1:07:29
  She had the spirit, she was a priestess of the
• 1:07:32
  temple of Apollo at the foot of Mount Parnassus.
• 1:07:36
  And she was possessed by the spirit of Python,
• 1:07:40
  who was the serpent who held the knowledge of
• 1:07:44
  the depths of the earth and gave oracles through
• 1:07:49
  her when she was possessed by it. So what she
• 1:07:52
  was saying was true. Just as she expresses here
• 1:07:57
  by by saying. These men are servants of the most
• 1:08:00
  high God and proclaim to you the way of salvation."
• 1:08:03
  She was speaking true things by the spirit that
• 1:08:07
  possessed her, which was the spirit of Python,
• 1:08:09
  which was the serpent who guarded the knowledge
• 1:08:11
  of the depths of the earth. So you go like, oh,
• 1:08:15
  oh, okay. So she's from this tradition where
• 1:08:19
  she's actually worshiping other gods and is possessed
• 1:08:23
  by those other gods who are working out through
• 1:08:27
  her. their ways and deceptions on the earth.
• 1:08:31
  And Paul's like, okay, enough of this. And it's
• 1:08:35
  funny because it's almost like, so like, I think
• 1:08:39
  maybe in a 2020 way, we might like look at that
• 1:08:43
  and be like, ah, he's so dismissive of the girl.
• 1:08:46
  But he's actually going enough of this spirit
• 1:08:50
  of Python, you're nothing. compared to the spirit
• 1:08:56
  that dwells within me. Would you just be quiet?
• 1:09:00
  You're saying something true but everything else
• 1:09:02
  that you say is false and you're trying to bring
• 1:09:05
  confusion. You're trying to bring chaos because
• 1:09:08
  that's the spirit of Python, the serpent of chaos.
• 1:09:13
  So it's trying to create chaos. So it's like,
• 1:09:17
  man, that's so much explanation for something
• 1:09:19
  that's one sentence. And we go, oh, spirit of
• 1:09:22
  divination. They knew the myth. 100%. Well, yeah,
• 1:09:25
  because if you're a Greek, you would have heard
• 1:09:27
  that as she was possessed by the spirit of Pythos.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah. Or Python. Because one of the things, this
• 1:09:34
  section in particular, I hear a lot of people
• 1:09:36
  are like, well, yeah, well, why did he do that?
• 1:09:38
  Why did he wait so long? Is the other part of
• 1:09:41
  it. Oh, yeah. And I think it's an interesting
• 1:09:44
  mixture where I mean, I don't really know. I'm
• 1:09:47
  just kind of speculating here. But in my head,
• 1:09:50
  it's like a weird mixture of, okay, so Paul knows
• 1:09:53
  what the consequences are if he jumps into this.
• 1:09:58
  And so it's like, oh yeah, here's this guy. This
• 1:10:01
  is a business transaction that you're jumping
• 1:10:04
  in the way of here. Because I feel like if it
• 1:10:06
  was, and I say it's not a big deal, because it
• 1:10:09
  is a big deal. But it is interesting how it's
• 1:10:11
  like, well, what was stopping him from right
• 1:10:14
  away just saying, No. Yeah. Yeah. Because he
• 1:10:20
  knew that that spirit had no power. Yeah. So
• 1:10:24
  he wasn't like, he was annoyed by it. He wasn't
• 1:10:28
  afraid of it. Right. So there's a lot of, because
• 1:10:33
  they're walking in the power and the power and
• 1:10:35
  the authority of the creator God. Yeah. And so
• 1:10:38
  it's profound to say he's annoyed by it because
• 1:10:42
  he's like, you don't... You don't have any power.
• 1:10:45
  Can you just get out of here? You're just annoying
• 1:10:49
  at this point. You have no power. So just please
• 1:10:53
  get out of here. If you would just be quiet,
• 1:10:57
  I would leave you alone. But you can't do that
• 1:11:00
  and you have no power. So let me humiliate you
• 1:11:03
  in front of all these people. You know what I
• 1:11:05
  mean? And the other side of that too, because
• 1:11:08
  I think I read this on a previous episode, but
• 1:11:11
  as I do, Like bring up the book of Enoch. Yeah
• 1:11:15
  Which Paul would have read by the way for sure
• 1:11:19
  is There's a there's a part in there. I can't
• 1:11:21
  put chapters at off top my head but it talks
• 1:11:25
  about it's when the Watchers ask Enoch to go
• 1:11:29
  and Intercede for them. Okay to God. Yeah, and
• 1:11:35
  God's responses the one key line that I find
• 1:11:38
  interesting in this is answers know at the very
• 1:11:42
  end of it. But the one line is, you came down
• 1:11:47
  and you taught the mysteries that you knew of
• 1:11:50
  the heavens, but you didn't know all the mysteries
• 1:11:51
  of the heavens. And the ones that you did know
• 1:11:53
  were worthless. Yeah, that's awesome. But then
• 1:11:58
  the consequence, sadly, is that, yeah, you taught
• 1:12:01
  those to women and children and men, and they
• 1:12:05
  did many horrible things on the earth. So because
• 1:12:09
  of that, you'll have no peace, is what he says.
• 1:12:11
  But it's interesting because it's like, okay,
• 1:12:13
  so here's this spirit of Python who's promising
• 1:12:18
  whispers of ancient knowledge from the depths
• 1:12:21
  of the earth. And Enoch, what God says in the
• 1:12:26
  book of Enoch is that, yeah, yeah, you know some
• 1:12:29
  mysteries, but they're all worthless, terrible,
• 1:12:32
  don't mean anything. And so it's funny, it's
• 1:12:34
  like I... part of me wonders is if that's running
• 1:12:37
  through Paul's mind as well, where he's like,
• 1:12:39
  I'm not afraid of this and it's not a big deal
• 1:12:41
  because you guys don't even know anything that
• 1:12:42
  like interesting to know. Oh, yes. You know what
• 1:12:45
  I mean? It's like I can't get anything from you.
• 1:12:47
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or
• 1:12:49
  what you have to offer me is way lesser and is
• 1:12:52
  nonsense. Yes. It's just nonsense. Like my God
• 1:12:55
  says it's nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting
• 1:12:58
  thought. And it properly frames for him. It helps,
• 1:13:01
  I think, have no fear of that. It's almost like
• 1:13:04
  this idea that when there was no grasping of
• 1:13:07
  the knowledge itself, meaning, I think back to
• 1:13:11
  the Garden of Eden, well, Adam and Eve had no
• 1:13:14
  prior knowledge of knowledge they didn't know.
• 1:13:17
  So if knowledge was offered to them, but the
• 1:13:20
  knowledge that was offered to them was cheap
• 1:13:23
  and not the best knowledge. It was just like
• 1:13:28
  random scraps. That's kind of what it seems like
• 1:13:32
  it was. That's it, yeah. And so it's like these
• 1:13:34
  random, it's like, that's the whole thing is
• 1:13:36
  like the knowledge of the watchers that come
• 1:13:38
  down and they give us all these things. And it's
• 1:13:40
  like, yeah, but like our buildings fall apart.
• 1:13:43
  And like, it's like our knowledge is like clearly
• 1:13:47
  not as good as it could be. And isn't it interesting
• 1:13:49
  though that in Enoch, the response to that is,
• 1:13:53
  yeah, like you can do these cool things, but
• 1:13:56
  God's like, I got better things. That's what
• 1:14:00
  you're gonna hang your head on? And we have the
• 1:14:03
  ancient mysteries of the world. What we see,
• 1:14:07
  and this is witnessed in the Bible with things
• 1:14:10
  like the confusion of the languages and the flood.
• 1:14:14
  Essentially, it's almost like the knowledge that
• 1:14:17
  did exist. that was good knowledge is no longer
• 1:14:21
  accessible to us. Because it's one of those things
• 1:14:25
  where it's like, God stopped that. And he was
• 1:14:28
  like, this is knowledge that is worth having
• 1:14:34
  that will destroy you, ultimately. It will cause
• 1:14:39
  you to not... you'll never surpass Yahweh, but
• 1:14:43
  you may be able to live like the gods, but the
• 1:14:46
  gods, the ones that you're getting the knowledge
• 1:14:48
  from, have been cast out of heaven and exiled.
• 1:14:52
  So they will only lead you to destruction. They
• 1:14:55
  might have cool gadgets, but that's all you'll
• 1:14:58
  have. That's it. It's like that stuff will be
• 1:15:00
  destroyed, you know what I mean? But yeah, so,
• 1:15:05
  okay, so that's what we're seeing here in Acts
• 1:15:08
  16. I wanted to kind of like end it by this because
• 1:15:12
  we talked about in the beginning the idea that
• 1:15:13
  there's like this basically in our view it looks
• 1:15:17
  like there's this story or this like fantasy
• 1:15:20
  idea but essentially it's the whatever like whatever
• 1:15:26
  the serpent was right so whether it's Satan,
• 1:15:31
  Venus, Zeus, Apollo as a lesser God that is giving
• 1:15:39
  this information to the to the people that are
• 1:15:41
  entering his temple temple right this God that's
• 1:15:45
  giving this information and giving these stories
• 1:15:47
  of how things came to be right and as they are
• 1:15:52
  doing that then it becomes something that they
• 1:15:54
  are gaining the knowledge of the story of how
• 1:15:56
  they how all of this stuff came to be and then
• 1:15:59
  they carry those traditions but then those priests,
• 1:16:03
  it moves from the story that they're given to
• 1:16:06
  the history of humanity lived out from that point.
• 1:16:10
  So what we see then is pre -Apollo, we see Gaia,
• 1:16:17
  who is the earth goddess, the original owner
• 1:16:20
  of Delphi. Her own attendants were nymphs. This
• 1:16:27
  is not... This is not the podcast to go into
• 1:16:29
  what nymphs are. But yeah, and then after that
• 1:16:35
  is, Themis is daughter of Gaia, received the
• 1:16:39
  oracle from Gaia, goddess of law and divine order.
• 1:16:44
  And then Phoebe, a Titaness, received the oracle
• 1:16:47
  from Themis, gave it as a gift to Apollo. So
• 1:16:51
  what we see here is actually like Mother Earth.
• 1:16:55
  And the goddess of law and order and divine order
• 1:17:00
  are the daughters. Like the prophecy and the
• 1:17:04
  knowledge and the law and the divine order is
• 1:17:08
  all from the daughters of Gaia, who is the earth
• 1:17:11
  goddess. So it's all feminine, right? And these
• 1:17:15
  are divine holders. They're not human priests.
• 1:17:18
  But then you get the prophetess, the Pythia.
• 1:17:23
  And it's always a woman, usually older, sometimes
• 1:17:27
  chosen for simple or rural, from rural backgrounds,
• 1:17:32
  sat on a bronze tripod over the fissure. So they
• 1:17:35
  put a tripod over the hole. And the priestess
• 1:17:40
  would sit on the tripod over the hole. Which,
• 1:17:43
  that would be terrifying. So you're sitting over
• 1:17:46
  a hole in the earth on a tripod, and you're receiving
• 1:17:51
  knowledge from the depths of the earth. And I'd
• 1:17:53
  just be like, who built this tripod? I mean,
• 1:17:56
  like, what? Can we check the, is this secure?
• 1:18:00
  And she is said to be the mouthpiece, not a priest
• 1:18:03
  in the administrative sense, but a mouthpiece
• 1:18:06
  of the python. That's interesting. Or of Apollo,
• 1:18:12
  who slayed it, right? Yeah. And then the priests
• 1:18:14
  of Apollo. And this is like reference in Pausanias.
• 1:18:20
  This was the oldest, most sacred priestly family.
• 1:18:25
  I can't see what I'm thinking. Posenias. So there
• 1:18:30
  were a group of priests, the holy ones, that
• 1:18:33
  were priests of Apollo. So you go from pre -Apollo
• 1:18:37
  to Apollo's temple and the priestess that sat
• 1:18:40
  on the tripod over the hole that eventually becomes
• 1:18:44
  the priest or the sacred priestly family that
• 1:18:47
  are the priests of the temple to the... to Apollo.
• 1:18:51
  Yeah. And they assisted the Pythia during sessions.
• 1:18:55
  So there were these priests that were that were
• 1:18:57
  all related and they would assist because how
• 1:19:01
  do you get onto a tripod over a hole? Yeah. You
• 1:19:04
  have to have guys help you. Yeah. Right. Imagine
• 1:19:09
  that she's got to get back on the tripod again.
• 1:19:11
  Come on, guys. Let's go. Wake up from your naps.
• 1:19:15
  Time for her to start talking on her butt again.
• 1:19:19
  Well, technically, if she's sitting on it, it's
• 1:19:20
  coming through and out the navel. Yeah, that's
• 1:19:23
  true. I don't know how much I can say here. I'll
• 1:19:29
  wonderbred it. That's it. You'll wonderbred it.
• 1:19:34
  See previous episodes. So now we're talking about
• 1:19:39
  human beings that are receiving this knowledge
• 1:19:42
  and being conduits by which they're allowing
• 1:19:45
  possession in order to deliver things that are
• 1:19:48
  true, these oracles, right? I know you're stuck
• 1:19:51
  on that. Okay, I'm good. It's an interesting
• 1:19:54
  image. She's sitting atop the navel of the earth.
• 1:20:02
  Okay, let's just keep moving past it. Yeah, so
• 1:20:05
  that's like how we see this and there are minor
• 1:20:08
  priests and temple staffs and what they actually
• 1:20:12
  did was they prepared and purified the Pythia
• 1:20:14
  and the Pythia was the priestess who was the
• 1:20:18
  mouthpiece of the whole. Yeah, the navel. And
• 1:20:23
  they interpreted her utterances. So she said
• 1:20:26
  nonsense and they interpreted it. So she would
• 1:20:29
  just speak as she received it? Yeah. But it was
• 1:20:34
  raw, inspired speech and they shaped it into
• 1:20:38
  poetry. So she was just talking. How did they
• 1:20:41
  shape it? Dude, they made it up. This one's about
• 1:20:48
  Dr. Pepper. Yeah, so you get this Gaia to Themis
• 1:20:53
  to Phoebe to Apollo, and then the priests of
• 1:20:56
  Apollo. So that's how you get this lineage. In
• 1:21:03
  history, we have people listed historically,
• 1:21:07
  right? And these people that are listed historically,
• 1:21:12
  one of them is from the Pythia of 67 AD, is mentioned
• 1:21:17
  by Pletaric. and Pletaric personally knew several
• 1:21:22
  Pythes while serving as priest of Apollo. He
• 1:21:26
  describes them as real, ordinary women chosen
• 1:21:29
  for purity and character. So now we're getting
• 1:21:32
  into the concrete nature of the priestess that
• 1:21:35
  are actually in this space. And this is a Pythia
• 1:21:37
  of 67 AD. Now 67 AD is not when the Book of Acts
• 1:21:43
  is happening. It's a little bit later, but not
• 1:21:46
  much later. Yeah, not much. So this is... This
• 1:21:49
  is a historian that was a priest of Apollo who's
• 1:21:55
  writing down and referencing actual Pythia, right?
• 1:22:00
  So referencing these priestess of Python. And
• 1:22:06
  then there's the Pythia Hierophile, sometimes
• 1:22:10
  Sybil of Delphi. And it's a historical figure
• 1:22:15
  active around the sixth and fifth 6th through
• 1:22:18
  5th century BC, known for hymns and poetic oracles.
• 1:22:23
  So you have these people that are actually written
• 1:22:25
  down in history. There are over 600 years of
• 1:22:28
  historically attested Pytheist, though few names
• 1:22:31
  survive. So we don't have a ton of listed names,
• 1:22:35
  but we have some. But there's over 600 years
• 1:22:39
  of historically attested Pytheist, and these
• 1:22:41
  are priestess that are sitting as oracles, receiving
• 1:22:45
  the oracles. that are then taken by the the men
• 1:22:49
  who are priests and put it into poetic language.
• 1:22:54
  So yeah, so Plutarch was a was a priest of Delphi,
• 1:23:00
  right? And then, so as this is going, historical
• 1:23:04
  clients who consulted the oracle, you have King
• 1:23:07
  Croatius of Lydia, 6 BC consulted the oracle
• 1:23:11
  before attacking Persia. Herodotus gives the
• 1:23:15
  exact oracles. So Herodotus gives an exact oracle
• 1:23:19
  that they got from the Pythia when the king of
• 1:23:24
  Lydia is about to attack Persia and then goes
• 1:23:28
  and seeks counsel from the depths of the earth.
• 1:23:31
  So we actually have that. That's sixth century
• 1:23:33
  BC. And then you have King Leonidas of Sparta.
• 1:23:39
  consulted the Oracle before Thermopylae. Oh wow.
• 1:23:43
  So like there are these massive invasions that
• 1:23:47
  we see of these kings. Yeah. And they go and
• 1:23:51
  they seek the advice of the Oracle. So they actually
• 1:23:55
  go and like get information. That's so crazy.
• 1:23:57
  Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. And what they're
• 1:24:00
  doing is they're going to get this information
• 1:24:03
  and these prophecies and then they're going into
• 1:24:05
  battle and they're overcoming their enemies.
• 1:24:08
  Yeah. And then you have Emperor Nero. Plutarch
• 1:24:15
  records his visit. So this stuff is written down
• 1:24:20
  of these emperors and these kings actually going
• 1:24:25
  and meeting with the priests and getting information
• 1:24:29
  from the Pythia. Yeah, they were actually getting
• 1:24:34
  information from the depths of the earth. That's
• 1:24:36
  crazy. Yeah, receiving information from the spirit
• 1:24:40
  of the serpent. Wow. Through this priestess in
• 1:24:43
  the temple of Apollo. Isn't that nuts? That's
• 1:24:45
  nuts. Yeah. So like, this is a common thing.
• 1:24:47
  Well, the fact that it's like, you know, these
• 1:24:48
  are these are historical documents. Yes. Well,
• 1:24:53
  OK. OK, so so let's let's jump to OK. So that's
• 1:24:57
  interesting. Like. the statesman of Athens received
• 1:25:00
  the famous wooden walls oracle in 480. I don't
• 1:25:04
  know what the wooden walls oracle is. I don't
• 1:25:05
  know that one, it's not that famous. But it's
• 1:25:07
  something written down, so interesting. So philosophers,
• 1:25:12
  Socrates, the Delphic oracle declared, no man
• 1:25:17
  is wiser than Socrates. Wow, that's written in
• 1:25:20
  Plato's Apology. I bet it is. Well, apology doesn't
• 1:25:26
  mean, I'm sorry. Yeah, so written by Plato, a
• 1:25:33
  student of Socrates, who went to the Oracle at
• 1:25:36
  Delphi, and it was, so that's like, okay, so
• 1:25:40
  the knowledge of Socrates, the philosophy of
• 1:25:42
  Socrates was supported by the serpent. So we're
• 1:25:49
  gonna ban Socrates now. I mean might as well.
• 1:25:53
  Sorry Socrates So you have like there are multiple
• 1:25:57
  temples layer There are multiple temple layers
• 1:26:00
  dated from the 7th century BC to the Roman era
• 1:26:03
  So you have the like temple layers temple built
• 1:26:06
  on temple built on temple over periods of time
• 1:26:10
  The Oracle is well attested historical is a well
• 1:26:13
  the Oracle is a well attested historical institution
• 1:26:16
  lasting over a thousand years So then here's
• 1:26:20
  my obvious question. Do people still go? That's
• 1:26:25
  what I want to know. And or has it stopped? Yeah.
• 1:26:31
  So there is a famous line, and I think this is
• 1:26:35
  probably why you know the Oracle of Delphi. So
• 1:26:40
  the Oracle of Delphi's decline, it begins in
• 1:26:43
  the second and the third century AD. So you're
• 1:26:46
  talking about second and third century AD, so
• 1:26:48
  the rise of the movement of the Roman Empire,
• 1:26:52
  Constantinople, you're starting to get pre -Constantinian,
• 1:26:56
  and you're really coming up close to the age
• 1:27:00
  of the church as the Roman, like Christianity
• 1:27:05
  as the Roman religion, right? So you're about
• 1:27:07
  to get there. So it says that... the Plutarch's
• 1:27:15
  lifetime, first and second century AD, the oracle
• 1:27:19
  was already giving fewer responses. So the guy
• 1:27:23
  in the first and second century records, they
• 1:27:26
  start to record that it's starting to weaken
• 1:27:30
  and they're getting less and less and fewer responses.
• 1:27:33
  Oh, fascinating. Which is interesting. And this
• 1:27:35
  is all recorded. It says, natural gas vents beneath
• 1:27:39
  the temple seem to have grown unstable, contributing
• 1:27:44
  to fewer oracle sessions. So the ground beneath
• 1:27:49
  the temple was starting to get more and more
• 1:27:51
  unstable, which if you're sitting on top of a
• 1:27:54
  tripod, on top of a hole, and the natural gas
• 1:27:58
  vents are starting to make the ground unstable,
• 1:28:01
  you're probably gonna sit there very long. Natural
• 1:28:02
  gas, sure. Too much beans and rice. Oh, no responses
• 1:28:09
  today, guys. But the oracle did not end there.
• 1:28:13
  And here's where we'll land this plane. Final
• 1:28:16
  pagan oracles. So in the fourth century, under
• 1:28:22
  Roman rule, there were still oracles to pagan
• 1:28:26
  clients. Several emperors interacted with Delphi,
• 1:28:30
  Julian the Apostate, ad 361 to 363 the last pagan
• 1:28:36
  Emperor tried to revive the old oracles so in
• 1:28:41
  360 ad Julian the apostate and this is all written
• 1:28:45
  down in fact I'm about to read a statement from
• 1:28:50
  this it says He's like a newscaster. The gas
• 1:29:01
  is like shooting up. It's not that bad guys.
• 1:29:04
  It's over. It's over dramatic Everyone's just
• 1:29:07
  yeah, so Can't figure the word so so Julian the
• 1:29:12
  apostate In 361 to 363 AD, he was the last pagan
• 1:29:18
  emperor that tried to revive the old oracle.
• 1:29:21
  He consulted Delphi and received the ominous
• 1:29:23
  final answer. Tell the king the fair temple has
• 1:29:29
  fallen. Phoenix, no more shelter. The voice is
• 1:29:34
  silent. Wow. This is written down. This is often
• 1:29:40
  regarded as the last recorded Delph. Delphic
• 1:29:43
  oracle in antiquity. But Delphi still existed
• 1:29:48
  as a sanctuary for a short time afterward. The
• 1:29:51
  official inn, Theodiceus, AD 381 to 394. Imperial
• 1:29:59
  shutdown of pagan temples. Pagan. Emperor Theodices
• 1:30:06
  issued laws banning all pagan worship. So by
• 1:30:11
  AD 394, he ordered the official closure of all
• 1:30:15
  temples, including Delphi. This legally ended
• 1:30:18
  all public oracle activity. Most historians consider
• 1:30:23
  AD 381 -394 as the true end of the Delphic oracle.
• 1:30:30
  Yeah. So in the fifth century, the oracle ceases
• 1:30:33
  to function entirely. The temple of Apollo gradually
• 1:30:36
  fell into ruin. local Christian communities built
• 1:30:39
  churches nearby. By the mid -fifth century, Delphi
• 1:30:43
  stopped functioning altogether. That's crazy.
• 1:30:46
  So what happened to the Oracle of Delphi? Christianity
• 1:30:50
  overcame it. We started throwing our old communion
• 1:30:53
  cups in it. The gates of hell would not prevail
• 1:30:56
  against it. Imagine just walking over, just being
• 1:30:59
  like, oh yeah, that's the hole by the way. Yeah.
• 1:31:04
  I started throwing Bibles down there. Have you
• 1:31:07
  guys read this? Hey down there, have you guys
• 1:31:11
  read this? It's the old wishing well. It's the
• 1:31:17
  Irish wishing well. The Greek wishing well. The
• 1:31:20
  Greek wishing well. So all that to say, and that
• 1:31:24
  was a lot to say, but all that to say, you basically
• 1:31:30
  get this. Like, if you went to it now, you'd
• 1:31:33
  be like, this is just a hole in the ground. Yeah.
• 1:31:36
  And so the idea of the myth of it, you'd be like,
• 1:31:39
  well, the whole thing is not true. It's all fantasy.
• 1:31:42
  It's like, except that we have historical accounts
• 1:31:45
  that even guys like Plato wrote down that Socrates
• 1:31:49
  went to Delphi and got a word from the oracle
• 1:31:53
  that was... Or you could just say he was a narcissist.
• 1:31:56
  That's... Which I love that idea, though. Yeah.
• 1:31:59
  Where he comes back, so how'd it go? I'm the
• 1:32:01
  smartest, actually. That's what it said. Hey,
• 1:32:04
  Plato, write that down in your apology. Your
• 1:32:07
  apology. Add that in. Yeah. So what you get is
• 1:32:12
  you get all these moments, and you even get these
• 1:32:14
  great battles where there's historical written
• 1:32:18
  from the oracles. They went to the oracle. Yeah,
• 1:32:22
  and they got this information. So historically,
• 1:32:24
  it's like, no, this is a real thing. Right. They're
• 1:32:27
  actually receiving information. We talk about
• 1:32:29
  that all the time. The people in antiquity, they're
• 1:32:31
  not dumb. They're actually receiving information.
• 1:32:35
  And if you believe the Bible, then there is an
• 1:32:40
  example of the information from the spirit of
• 1:32:45
  Python. The spirit of divination, Acts 16, 16.
• 1:32:49
  It's right there. It's like that is the oracle
• 1:32:53
  speaking. Like it's actually recorded in the
• 1:32:56
  Bible. The oracle of Delphi speaking. It's right
• 1:32:59
  there. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, what do we do
• 1:33:02
  with that? Well, I mean, the other thing too
• 1:33:05
  is like not to go down this rabbit hole today,
• 1:33:08
  but it's like even in modern day, we see people
• 1:33:12
  trying to pursue that same thing. Yeah, that's
• 1:33:14
  true. We're like going to going to locations
• 1:33:17
  to try to find ancient knowledge. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:33:21
  Yeah. And that's one of those spaces where it's
• 1:33:23
  like you would have to you would have to conjure
• 1:33:27
  it up. Right. And that's where it's like people
• 1:33:31
  are like locations and different things like
• 1:33:33
  that. It's like, well, there are there are historical
• 1:33:36
  spaces that are a little bit thinner. Yes. They're
• 1:33:41
  I mean, particularly the navel of the earth.
• 1:33:43
  Yeah. But that's why people get freaked out about
• 1:33:47
  like. like the fault lines in the ocean and stuff
• 1:33:51
  like that. Anywhere where there's an opening
• 1:33:54
  to the middle of the earth. It's like there's
• 1:33:57
  something scary about that. Absolutely. Because
• 1:33:59
  it's like what's down there. It's unknown depth.
• 1:34:01
  Yeah. And if you've read the Bible at all, you're
• 1:34:03
  like, well, the Bible says there's something
• 1:34:06
  down there. It's a little creepy down there.
• 1:34:08
  Yeah. Not only that, it says that in Revelation,
• 1:34:15
  when the beasts come, Back onto the earth back
• 1:34:20
  onto the scene. It says they come from the depths
• 1:34:22
  of the sea. Yeah, so it's like, uh There's something
• 1:34:25
  down there Yeah, I Mean unless it's just like
• 1:34:29
  figurative language. We might find out why NASA
• 1:34:32
  stopped with the ocean exploration ah so the
• 1:34:37
  Oracle Delphi and the Python where is the belly
• 1:34:42
  button of the earth? Who is the belly button
• 1:34:46
  of the earth? Who sat upon the navel of the year?
• 1:34:51
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