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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 3-3-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday, everybody, Welcome to The Shan O'Connell Show. Glad
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Speaker 2: to have you with us. We got a fun one
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Speaker 2: lined up today. We've made a good effort. When I
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Speaker 2: say we, I mean James has put in a nice
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Speaker 2: little guest list today. Gordy Chiays is going to join us.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Tabernari for Sir Red and Blue, Sean Mooney, and
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Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz all on the show today. And that's not all.
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Speaker 2: Also Matt Farrell, the CEO of US Figure Skating, what Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we'll talk some Olympics, but also the US has a
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Speaker 2: Championship Week coming to the Maverick Center March fourth through seventh,
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk a little Olympic scandal. Maybe see if
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Speaker 2: I can get some inflammatory remarks from him, Matt Ferrell.
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Speaker 2: That is a jam packed guest list today. It's an
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Speaker 2: interesting day in professional sports. Also, NFL franchise tag list
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Speaker 2: has to be out today. Who are you going to
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Speaker 2: franchise tag? Are you going to franchise tag anybody? There
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Speaker 2: were some conversations about whether or not Devin Lloyd with
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Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars could potentially be franchise tag. I actually
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Speaker 2: wish he was franchise tag because it would be very
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Speaker 2: lucrative for him. I know that players don't like it
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Speaker 2: because it's a single year extension, but the rules are
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Speaker 2: that you have to do well, you have to get
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Speaker 2: paid more. Basically the way that you're the way that
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Speaker 2: your salary is figured out, you get tagged and paid
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Speaker 2: a one year tender based on the top ten salaries
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Speaker 2: at your positioned and for linebackers, I'm actually amazed that
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Speaker 2: this hasn't been addressed by the league, and maybe it
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Speaker 2: will be in the next collective barging agreement. But that
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Speaker 2: outside linebackers rush ends, edge defenders, pass rushers. Those outside
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Speaker 2: linebackers are lumped into the same linebacker positionally, the same
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Speaker 2: linebacker position group as like an off ball middle linebacker,
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Speaker 2: as a Devin Lloyd, he's a second T ball pro
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Speaker 2: this year had a great season, But the franchise tag
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Speaker 2: for a linebacker is going to be about twenty eight
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Speaker 2: million dollars because of all those pass rushers, and Jacksonville
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to pay Devin Lloyd twenty eight million dollars.
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Speaker 2: No off ball linebacker really makes that kind of money,
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Speaker 2: or it's incredibly rare for off ball linebackers to make
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Speaker 2: that kind of money in the NFL. So the bad
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Speaker 2: news is he probably won't get twenty eight million. The
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Speaker 2: good news is it looks like the team does want to,
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Speaker 2: as an alternative, create a long term extension with Devin Lloyd,
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Speaker 2: and even that is probably gonna bring him anywhere from
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Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty two ish million dollars average annual value
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Speaker 2: on a contract. And so we always love to see
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Speaker 2: the locals get paid. In the NFL, franchise tag has
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Speaker 2: to be put on a player or not by the
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Speaker 2: end of our show today. That is the deadline. Two
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Speaker 2: o'clock Mountain time, four o'clock Eastern today is the NFL
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Speaker 2: franchise tag deadline. And Kenneth Walker, Seattle Seahawks running back
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Speaker 2: was in the conversation to be franchised. It looks like
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Speaker 2: that is not going to happen, which means he will
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Speaker 2: come off a Super Bowl winning year air with unrestricted
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Speaker 2: free agency and teams assessing how much they want to
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Speaker 2: invest in somebody like Kenneth Walker. So as the NFL
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Speaker 2: offseason continues, and there is no off season for the
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Speaker 2: NFL because it is the most dominant of all of
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Speaker 2: our sports here in the United States of America, you'll
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Speaker 2: get a couple more of those storylines dropping into the show. Today.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to a good conversation with Gorda Chiaysa, because
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Speaker 2: they're always good conversations with Gorda Chiaysa, but we will
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Speaker 2: we will talk more, probably about Kyante George today than
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Speaker 2: I have all season long. Kyante George is right now
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Speaker 2: by design, having to do it a little bit by
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Speaker 2: himself for the Utah Jazz. And you saw, I mean
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Speaker 2: almost in a comical sense. You saw him boxing out
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Speaker 2: Joker last night, getting all the way back into the
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Speaker 2: knees of arguably the best player in the league. Ended
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Speaker 2: up getting pancakes because of it. But Heyonte George, in
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Speaker 2: a spirited effort for the Utah Jazz, ended up with
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Speaker 2: a really nice stat line last night, a pretty solid
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Speaker 2: game against a team that is in championship contention, in
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Speaker 2: a way that the Jazz hope that someday they will
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Speaker 2: be again five your final score Kyante George thirty six
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Speaker 2: points on twenty two shots, four or five from the stripe.
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Speaker 2: And again, this is without lowry marketing. This is without Irk,
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Speaker 2: this is without Walker Kestler, This is without a bunch
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Speaker 2: of the guys that could make your job a lot easier.
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Speaker 2: My question about Kyante George and I should have put
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Speaker 2: this on a Twitter poll. I guess I did put
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Speaker 2: one question out there related to another story we're going
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Speaker 2: to get to today. The World Cup tickets that are
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Speaker 2: at first selling like hotcakes and they're so sold out
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Speaker 2: that you can't afford them, are now like, oh wait,
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Speaker 2: people can't afford this, So the tickets are available because
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Speaker 2: nobody can afford to pay for the dang tickets that
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Speaker 2: the FIFA World Cup has released for the North American Games.
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Speaker 2: If money is no object or just a fun hypothetical,
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Speaker 2: if money's no object, travel, accommodation, all of it, you
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Speaker 2: just don't have to worry about that. You get to
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Speaker 2: attend one live sporting event and that is it. No more,
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Speaker 2: You're done. What are you watching? A lot of people
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Speaker 2: are gonna say World Cup Final.
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Speaker 3: For me.
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Speaker 2: If the San Francisco forty nine ers were going to
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Speaker 2: be playing in a Super Bowl that I was incredibly
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Speaker 2: confident that they would win, or in this hypothetical genie,
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Speaker 2: in a lamp scenario, maybe I get a guarantee that
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Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers I get to go
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Speaker 2: be in person to watch them win a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I probably would put that on the top of my list.
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Speaker 2: I think someday we're going to get a chance to
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Speaker 2: see the Utah Mammoth and a Stanley Cup series. So
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Speaker 2: I won't put that one there because that one's kind
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Speaker 2: of realistic at realoc sports eight seven seven three five
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Speaker 2: three zero seven hundred if you just want to have
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Speaker 2: a little bit of fun with that. But back to
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Speaker 2: Keyante George. He's twenty two years old, all right. He
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Speaker 2: has worked his way into being a player. I mean,
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Speaker 2: twenty four points a night in the NBA, six point
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Speaker 2: four assists in the NBA. He's he's a top twenty
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Speaker 2: five guard right now. From those scoring and assist totals, well,
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Speaker 2: he's a top twenty five player. He's the top ten
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Speaker 2: guard with those point totals. And he is a pleasant
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Speaker 2: surprise that I think there were a small contingent of
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Speaker 2: supporters at the very beginning of his jazz career, They're like,
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Speaker 2: all right, this guy's really gonna be something, and the
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Speaker 2: rest of us, it's kind of taken us the time
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Speaker 2: to grow into our confidence that Kyante George is a
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Speaker 2: part of the core, a definitive part of the Utah
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Speaker 2: Jazz Corps moving forward. I'm trying to find his equivalent.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to find something to compare him to in
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Speaker 2: Utah jazz history. Do we think that Keyonte George, at
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Speaker 2: twenty two years of age is going to play himself
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Speaker 2: into the same conversation that we put that we put
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Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell in before he left. It's been kind of
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Speaker 2: Lowry Marketin's team, but it's been Lowry Marketing's bad team
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Speaker 2: when it's a good team. Is it going to be
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Speaker 2: Kiante George's good team? Are we gonna talk about them
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Speaker 2: as a dynamic duo? Are we going to leave both
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Speaker 2: of them out? Because Ace Bailey and aj Debonsa are
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Speaker 2: the thing that really push you forward. Gordy's gonna help
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Speaker 2: with this, but I'm having a hard time quantifying or
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Speaker 2: finding a rough equivalent for Keyonte George. Darren Williams was
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Speaker 2: a multiple time Perennial All Star. In the conversation for
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Speaker 2: best in the league at his position, he was a
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Speaker 2: much higher draft pick. He was an Olympian, he's a
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Speaker 2: Gold medalist, He's a Perennial All Star. Over and over again.
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Speaker 2: He was talked about as the best at that position
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Speaker 2: in the league. The debate when Darren Williams was healthy
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Speaker 2: was at him or Chris Paul. There is no debate
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Speaker 2: to my awareness that involves Kyante George. And I don't
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Speaker 2: mean that to be insulting to Kiante George. I just
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Speaker 2: don't know that nationally there is an awareness and a
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Speaker 2: conversation about him at all, and that that could be
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Speaker 2: a good thing for the Utah Jazz right now, A
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Speaker 2: little bit of a dark horse of him sneak up people.
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Speaker 2: It won't last forever, but you know, like Donovan Mitchell
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Speaker 2: got his own shoe pretty quickly after he started to
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Speaker 2: emerge as a star. Kyante is twenty two. Do you
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Speaker 2: know how old James Peterson, who's behind the glass to
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Speaker 2: they do you know how old Donovan Mitchell was when
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Speaker 2: he made his first All Star Game? He was twenty two, right,
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Speaker 2: actually twenty three, twenty three. He was his third year.
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Speaker 2: Took him three years to do it. Yeah, and you
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Speaker 2: know Kyante, he was drafted in the first round in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. So I think the best possible equivalent
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Speaker 2: for Kyante is a guy like Donovan And I'm talking
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Speaker 2: about from the star caliber standpoint, not that they're the
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Speaker 2: exact same type of player, but eight seven seven three
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Speaker 2: five three zero seven hundred at Rio C Sports, if
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Speaker 2: you want to participate on social media instead of on
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Speaker 2: the text line, is there a jazz equivalent of Kyante
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Speaker 2: George or what Keyante George has grown into? You're you're
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Speaker 2: not putting him in Darren Williams category, yet, you're not
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Speaker 2: putting him in Donovan Mitchell's category. Yet, maybe there's a maybe,
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Speaker 2: there's somebody else that you kind of maybe he's your
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Speaker 2: maybe he's your Brian Russell of this team. Different player,
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Speaker 2: different team, different style, but a clear like number four
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Speaker 2: really at his best on the team. If is that
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Speaker 2: where you think Keyante's future is with this Utah Jazz team.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out where he fits in. And
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Speaker 2: it's a conversation that has happened all year long. But
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Speaker 2: we saw last night when he's kind of leading the
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Speaker 2: charge on an otherwise underwhelming and deliberately decimated roster against
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Speaker 2: a really good team in the Denver Nuggets, and he
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Speaker 2: gave you thirty six points in thirty minutes, staged a
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Speaker 2: couple of rebounds four to nine from beyond the arc
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Speaker 2: like that. If you take the name out of that
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Speaker 2: and you put that stat line in for any top
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Speaker 2: guard in the NBA against the Denver Nuggets, people are
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Speaker 2: gonna be like, yeah, good, that's a solid game. A
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Speaker 2: losing effort, ah, you know that stinks. Maybe turn the
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Speaker 2: ball over a few too many times. Don't like to
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Speaker 2: see that he had four of those, But he also
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Speaker 2: had four steals, So he's a net neutral on that.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: If you erase the name and the number and the
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Speaker 2: team and you say, this player in the backcourt did
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Speaker 2: this against the Denver Nuggets, it's anybody's guess. That's a
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Speaker 2: hell of a game against the Denver Nuggets. And his
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Speaker 2: averages this year, it's not just he goes, oh, look
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Speaker 2: at me, I have one great game and then I'm
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Speaker 2: going to disappear for a while when he's healthy. Kyante
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Speaker 2: George is a player in today's NBA, but we are
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Speaker 2: projecting the Utah Jazz out, not for this year, not
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Speaker 2: even probably for next year. We're projecting them out for
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Speaker 2: that twenty eight season. What are they gonna be and
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Speaker 2: what is he going to be on that team? Because
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Speaker 2: heading into this twenty twenty five twenty twenty six campaign,
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Speaker 2: there was no definitive commitment that he would be part
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Speaker 2: of whatever future the Jazz have envisioned at all. Now
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Speaker 2: that debate is dead. It's Lowry for now, it's Keyante,
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Speaker 2: it's Ace Bailey. We think it's Walker Kessler. This is
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Speaker 2: the young core. But where in the young core does
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Speaker 2: Keyante fit? He's not player number one? Is he two?
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Speaker 2: Is he three? Is he four? Is he gonna be
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Speaker 2: a surprise Donovan Mitchell where you're just like, oh wow,
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Speaker 2: he actually is number one? That he actually is now
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Speaker 2: heading into next year when he turns twenty three, he's
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Speaker 2: now on that same pace. We didn't expect it from Donovan.
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Speaker 2: We haven't expected it yet from Keyante. I need a
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Speaker 2: more seasoned a weather eye and a better prognosticator of
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Speaker 2: NBA success and growth and development to tell me what
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Speaker 2: his true place is. And by the way, we did
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Speaker 2: this already with Lowry Marketing when he was an all star. Well,
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Speaker 2: where if you're a playoff team. Is Lowry Marketing a
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Speaker 2: number one on a playoff team? Is he a number
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Speaker 2: two on a playoff team? Is he a number three
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Speaker 2: on a playoff team? All the other interested parties, the Spurs,
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Speaker 2: the Warriors, all these other teams that were like, hey,
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Speaker 2: we'd like we'd like to talk to you about Lowry Marketing.
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Speaker 2: They weren't planning on bringing him in to be a one.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they're bringing him into be a two.
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Speaker 2: Most people are like, we did this with Lowry. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's in an ideal world. He's an awesome player. He's
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Speaker 2: that fringe all star level guy, those fringe all star
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Speaker 2: level guys. You don't want to be your best guy.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to be your number one. You want
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Speaker 2: those guys to be You're number two, you're number three,
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Speaker 2: you have a superstar? Who's your number one? I mean
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Speaker 2: the Spurs have this right now. Victor webbin Yama is
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Speaker 2: the obvious number one, the driver of all things, but
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Speaker 2: the Aaron Fox and Steph Castle, they have filled into
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Speaker 2: those roles nicely, and suddenly the San Antonio Spurs are
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Speaker 2: not just playoff team. They're not. They're like real contenders
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Speaker 2: in the West, ahead of schedule. So I get it.
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Speaker 2: It's an unfair question. We're a little bit ahead of
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Speaker 2: our own selves here. It's gonna be heavily predicated on
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Speaker 2: this Jazz draft lottery and what pick they get and
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Speaker 2: the player that that pick becomes. I'm fairly certain where
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Speaker 2: he's gonna end up, fairly certain where Kante is gonna
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Speaker 2: end Yeah, he'll be the Mike Conley. He's the lead guard.
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Speaker 2: He's he'll be your second or third leading scorer, maybe
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Speaker 2: sometimes fourth leading scorer. If if Ace Bailey ends up
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Speaker 2: being a ends up, ends up, you know, fulfilling his
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Speaker 2: immense potential that we've seen. He had a nice game
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Speaker 2: last night too, by the way, not quite as good
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Speaker 2: as Punte George, but a nice game. So yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think he'll be the He'll be the Mike Connolly. As
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Speaker 2: far as comparing him back with the original comparison you
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Speaker 2: tried to make was in the late nineties finals teams,
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Speaker 2: He's more like the Jeff Horni Seck than the Brian Russell,
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Speaker 2: just because he handles the ball a lot more. His
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Speaker 2: role Horni Seck was not the lead guard obviously, but
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Speaker 2: Stockton's your one of your he's one of your stars
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Speaker 2: Hall of famers, So he's not Stockton, right, Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: would say he's more of the Horn sect than than
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Speaker 2: the Brian Russell that Jazz. That Jazz team didn't really
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Speaker 2: have a fourth scoring option. The reason why, and it's
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Speaker 2: not a great fit with that team trying to slot
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Speaker 2: compare Keyonte to one of those guys on that team.
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Speaker 2: It's because they didn't. They had two three guys that
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Speaker 2: they actually ran plays for those where Stockton, Malone, Horn,
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Speaker 2: a Sex and then everyone else just kind of got
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Speaker 2: the scraps, right, Yeah, And Keyante is not a I
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Speaker 2: get the scraps guy. He's the lead guard that that
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Speaker 2: that starts plays, let alone, get gets plays run for him.
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Speaker 2: So I okay, I don't think you're wrong, right, And
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Speaker 2: now this begs a question that is bigger than basketball,
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Speaker 2: bigger than the Utah Jazz. Right, So you're Keyonte, George
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Speaker 2: or fill in whatever player you want to fill in. Right,
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Speaker 2: you start to prove to your franchise, your teammates, your
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Speaker 2: coaches that you are better than they thought you were,
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Speaker 2: that you are good enough to be a primary scoring driver,
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Speaker 2: at least on an NBA team now a bad NBA team,
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Speaker 2: And I fully acknowledge that that changes when a team
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Speaker 2: is good versus when a team is bad. Everybody, every
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Speaker 2: team's got to have a leading scorer, right, Even the
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Speaker 2: worst teams have a guy who's the best of the worst. Right.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to disparage Keyante's accomplishments here, but
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Speaker 2: he has done he has developed himself, He's become a
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Speaker 2: much better player. He has started to shoulder more of
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Speaker 2: a scoring load from a sort of a natural standpoint
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Speaker 2: in the beginning of the season when everyone was available,
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Speaker 2: and now from a fourth standpoint because he's the only
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Speaker 2: one available. But regardless of the reasons for that, you're
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Speaker 2: an individual playing a team game. Certainly, you're an individual
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Speaker 2: who's twenty two years old in the NBA and you're saying, man,
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Speaker 2: I'm a top I could be a top twenty scorer
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Speaker 2: in this league if you let me be a top
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Speaker 2: twenty scorer in this league. And then, in an ideal scenario,
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Speaker 2: your franchise, your team comes to you and says, but
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Speaker 2: we don't want you to be that. That can be difficult,
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Speaker 2: that can be problematic, and that is something that this
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Speaker 2: front office and more importantly, this coaching staff and roster
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Speaker 2: are going to have to manage if that is and
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, I think it is, if that
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Speaker 2: is the true vision for Keyante George. Yeah, and at
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Speaker 2: the end of last season, I was thinking Keyante George
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Speaker 2: is gonna be a long term six man in the NBA.
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Speaker 2: He's he's a got that score in bunches type mentality.
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Speaker 2: He's definitely aggressive as a score first type mentality. This
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Speaker 2: year he's shown that, and one of the big flaws
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Speaker 2: of his game is he's turned the ball over too
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Speaker 2: much and he was not efficient enough as a shooter.
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Speaker 2: This year, he's he's corrected those things big time. He's
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Speaker 2: still not, you know, the guy you're going to rely
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Speaker 2: on to be a perimeter stopper on defense, but he's
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Speaker 2: shown a lot more or effort this year than he
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Speaker 2: did in his first three years, which also is a
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Speaker 2: reason why, Okay, this guy's graduated from probably a career
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Speaker 2: six man at best to hey, he's the starting guard.
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Speaker 2: He's a starting lead guard at least on this Jazz
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Speaker 2: team even when they're gonna be good. So I think
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Speaker 2: that that certainly bodes well as far as he maybe
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Speaker 2: gets one or two All Star appearances in his career,
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Speaker 2: maybe he exceeds that. Right now, I'm not ready to
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Speaker 2: say he's gonna be this perennial All Star, but he's
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Speaker 2: certainly shown a lot of strides and graduated to, hey,
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Speaker 2: this guy can be a key player on a really
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Speaker 2: good team. And again he's twenty two years old, so
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Speaker 2: there is the potential for him to take a couple
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Speaker 2: more leaps forward. Realistically, especially with those things that you're
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Speaker 2: talking about, is you know, turnovers, defensive pressure, the the
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Speaker 2: ability to stay in front of guys at whatever, and
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Speaker 2: I get especially four point guards, points are not the
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Speaker 2: be all end all right, It's become more of that.
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Speaker 2: There's there's no like, there's not really any true I'm
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Speaker 2: just gonna set other people up point guard in the
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Speaker 2: league anymore as starters. So it has become more important
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Speaker 2: for point guards like like Keante George to be able
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Speaker 2: to score a ton. But it's still not that guy
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be your leading scorer at that position.
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Speaker 2: If you're if you're Keyante George, it's gonna be ultimate
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Speaker 2: test case of how culture and game plan and results
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Speaker 2: from a team standpoint, are supposed to matter more if
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Speaker 2: you're a professional athlete, and they usually find ways in
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Speaker 2: the Jazz uniform, they usually find ways to get guys
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Speaker 2: to accept the role that they're given. But Kiante George
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Speaker 2: right now is the leading scorer for the Utah Jazz.
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Speaker 2: He is a number. He's the seventeenth leading scorer in
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Speaker 2: the NBA, And you're looking at that and you're going, well, yeah, like,
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Speaker 2: if your best scorer is the seventeenth best in the league,
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Speaker 2: that's not it's not great for you. Keant George right
22:02
Speaker 2: now scores more points a game than Victor Wembinyama does.
22:06
Speaker 2: He scores more per game than Lebron James does. He
22:09
Speaker 2: scores scores more points per game than Paulo ban Caro does.
22:12
Speaker 2: He's he's scoring more points a game than Zion Williamson
22:16
Speaker 2: and some guys that are like supposed to be the
22:20
Speaker 2: leads star that straw that stirs the drink. He's scoring
22:23
Speaker 2: more points than Cooper Flag. Obviously, Flag is a rookie.
22:27
Speaker 2: The names above him on the scoring list are all
22:31
Speaker 2: guys that you are, oh yeah, Luca Sga, Anthony Edwards,
22:36
Speaker 2: Tyree Smaxy, Jalen Brown, Joker, Donovan Mitchell, the aforementioned Kawhi,
22:42
Speaker 2: Leonard Jalen Brunton, Kevin Durant, Jamal Murray, KD. Cunningham, Devin Booker,
22:47
Speaker 2: James Harden, Michael Porter Jr. Abjah. Yeah, there's like two
22:53
Speaker 2: guys on there that you'd be surprised, and it's the
22:56
Speaker 2: last two that you named, Michael Porter Jr. And Dennyofti.
23:00
Speaker 2: As good as those guys are that you just you
23:02
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised, you would. You're a little bit surprised
23:04
Speaker 2: that they're at that kind of score this year is
23:08
Speaker 2: probably a surprise to everyone outside of this market that
23:10
Speaker 2: he's right there. All these other guys are all stars.
23:13
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's not just people outside of
23:16
Speaker 2: this market, like people in this market are like, wow,
23:18
Speaker 2: Keyante George is that kind of a score. And in
23:23
Speaker 2: an ideal world, if we're again we're looking into our
23:26
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz basketball shaped crystal ball, and we're saying, in
23:31
Speaker 2: a perfect world, though, that's not the role you're gonna
23:35
Speaker 2: fill on this team. In a perfect world, our leading
23:40
Speaker 2: scorer is Ace Bailey or Lowry, aj Debantsa or perhaps Lowry.
23:46
Speaker 2: In a perfect world, we want you to be the
23:51
Speaker 2: Jeff Horni sac of this team. And that is something
23:55
Speaker 2: that we don't have to talk about today, but we are.
23:59
Speaker 2: We're It's going to be an issue that the team
24:03
Speaker 2: has to address when they are healthy and they're gunning
24:07
Speaker 2: for it, because that is where the Kumbayas and the
24:13
Speaker 2: field goods and all that stuff starts to rattle and
24:15
Speaker 2: shake apart. The acceptance of roles, the communication, the team
24:22
Speaker 2: chemistry that Donovan Rudy had for a certain time and
24:27
Speaker 2: they didn't. All of that is affected by stuff like this, right,
24:31
Speaker 2: by availability, by lack of availability. And if you're Keyante
24:35
Speaker 2: George right now, he's he seems like just great teammate,
24:42
Speaker 2: great too, great player, great everything right, if he's in
24:46
Speaker 2: the locker room next year with Ace Lowry Walker's back,
24:54
Speaker 2: Whoever the first round pick ends up being knock on Wood,
24:58
Speaker 2: first round, first round pick number three overall? Whoever that is, right,
25:03
Speaker 2: Cam Boozer, whatever, Yeah, is he gonna say? Are they
25:10
Speaker 2: all gonna say? Not just him? But is he gonna say?
25:12
Speaker 2: All right, I had my foot on the gas pedal
25:15
Speaker 2: all last year and I prove to you how good
25:19
Speaker 2: I can be in this league? And now you're telling
25:22
Speaker 2: me to put a governor chip back on. That could
25:25
Speaker 2: be an issue. Yeah, And by the way, I'm using
25:29
Speaker 2: him as the example because of the spectacular game he
25:32
Speaker 2: had last night and ultimately what you wanted, a losing
25:34
Speaker 2: effort against a really good team. It was awesome to
25:37
Speaker 2: watch though. He's fun to watch. He's a guy that
25:40
Speaker 2: you can start seeing more jerseys be sold. He's a guy,
25:42
Speaker 2: like you said, who could make a couple of All
25:44
Speaker 2: Star appearances. But the plan for him is not to
25:47
Speaker 2: be that dude, not to be the driving force for
25:51
Speaker 2: this franchise. Is he gonna accept it? And the same
25:53
Speaker 2: question you have to ask it for every Utah football player,
25:58
Speaker 2: every BYU football player, everyone on this Utah Manoth hockey team.
26:02
Speaker 2: Although with hockey because everyone gets minutes, Yeah, it's a
26:06
Speaker 2: lot more evenly spread. It's just the nature of the
26:09
Speaker 2: game is just that like, all right, well, you're you're
26:12
Speaker 2: gonna skate, skate as hard as you can for ninety seconds.
26:16
Speaker 2: You're gonna come off the ice, You're gonna go sixty
26:18
Speaker 2: to ninety seconds at a time. It was amazing. You're
26:21
Speaker 2: gonna do it the same way everyone else does it.
26:23
Speaker 2: If you want to move up to the top line. Great,
26:25
Speaker 2: that's wonderful for me. It's amazing to hear guys like
26:28
Speaker 2: Eddie Olchik, who is on the Olympic Hockey broadcasts, and
26:35
Speaker 2: some of the other great color analysts around the league,
26:39
Speaker 2: nationally and locally. It's amazing to hear them say, after
26:44
Speaker 2: like two minutes of ice time, they haven't been able
26:46
Speaker 2: to make it. They haven't been able to make a change,
26:49
Speaker 2: a line change. It's amazing for them to say, uh,
26:53
Speaker 2: those guys are tired. They've been out for two minutes.
26:56
Speaker 2: This is a long shift for them. Like it's it's
26:59
Speaker 2: a whole different am in the hockey and it really isn't.
27:01
Speaker 2: Anyone who was a high school wrestler. You go two
27:05
Speaker 2: minutes at a time in high school wrestling. You know
27:07
Speaker 2: exactly how exhausted you can get in two minutes. And
27:10
Speaker 2: by the way, that's even after training specifically for that
27:14
Speaker 2: exact level of exertion, the exact things that you're asking
27:17
Speaker 2: your body to do. It's just it's atp production. All
27:22
Speaker 2: of you who took human bio back in high school,
27:25
Speaker 2: you remember this, right. Your body is able to generate
27:31
Speaker 2: like a highly efficient body is able to to generate
27:34
Speaker 2: explosive energy for like thirty seconds at a time before
27:38
Speaker 2: it needs a little bit of a reset. You need
27:40
Speaker 2: to be able to take a couple deep breaths. You
27:42
Speaker 2: need to be able to let that muscle rest, you know. Yeah,
27:47
Speaker 2: the mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell. We all go
27:50
Speaker 2: back to high school, We remember these things. The powerhouse
27:52
Speaker 2: of the cell. Of course, yes, we all know what
27:54
Speaker 2: the mitochondria is, shout out Bill Nye. But yeah, it's
28:01
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation and it's not something we're gonna know
28:04
Speaker 2: until starting next season, hopefully everyone's healthy and for the
28:08
Speaker 2: season that they finally are actually trying to win, right. Yeah.
28:12
Speaker 2: But the other the other thought I have about the
28:14
Speaker 2: future of the Jazz is trading using your your huge
28:19
Speaker 2: amount of cap space to trade for Jaron Jackson junior
28:22
Speaker 2: this season and he's under contract for the next three
28:26
Speaker 2: or four years right at a big number. What that
28:30
Speaker 2: tells you is that once again, this is going to
28:33
Speaker 2: be an ensemble effort for the Utah Jazz. As far
28:37
Speaker 2: as it's not gonna be. They're not gonna have a
28:41
Speaker 2: top ten player that they're gonna lean on like some
28:45
Speaker 2: like we see with the Lakers and the Celtics and
28:47
Speaker 2: the Heat and these other these other places, even the
28:50
Speaker 2: Bucks with Giannis in recent years. This is going to
28:54
Speaker 2: be two thousand and four Pistons if the Jazz are
28:56
Speaker 2: going to if the Jazz are going to be able
28:59
Speaker 2: to truly chack title in the next however big this
29:02
Speaker 2: window will be. It's going to be that ensemble Chauncey
29:07
Speaker 2: Billups' or Rip Hamilton our leading scorers at like twenty
29:11
Speaker 2: points a game, and everyone else just kind of chips
29:15
Speaker 2: in another fifteen to twenty themselves. And defense is when
29:20
Speaker 2: you have those, When you have that kind of a team,
29:23
Speaker 2: defense has to be near the top of the league.
29:26
Speaker 2: That's why Jaron Jackson he brought him in. That's another
29:30
Speaker 2: reason why Jaron Jackson Junior fits in well with this.
29:33
Speaker 2: But if they had and this is pie in the
29:36
Speaker 2: sky would not have happened. But if they had been
29:38
Speaker 2: able to trade for Giannis instead, you're talking about a
29:42
Speaker 2: whole different type of way that that you can try
29:45
Speaker 2: to construct the championship team. Trading for Jaron Jackson Junior
29:48
Speaker 2: tells you this is going to be some of the
29:51
Speaker 2: parts is greater than or the whole is greater than
29:55
Speaker 2: some of its parts, kind of ensemble effort for the jazz.
29:58
Speaker 2: And we've, like I said, teams have championship teams have
30:02
Speaker 2: been made that way before. It's just not as often
30:04
Speaker 2: as the Star Driven Live. I think I know this,
30:07
Speaker 2: But what I think I know is that you don't
30:09
Speaker 2: walk in when you know you're having your first practice,
30:12
Speaker 2: your first shoot around of the season, and you don't go,
30:16
Speaker 2: all right, guys, here's the plan. Okay, Walker, You're gonna
30:20
Speaker 2: give us like six points a game and fifteen rebounds
30:23
Speaker 2: a game and like seven blocks. I need at least
30:26
Speaker 2: five blocks a game out of you. Okay, I was
30:28
Speaker 2: gonna say seven, but Jared Jackson juniors here now, and
30:31
Speaker 2: he's he's more of a defensive Stopwen got two of
30:33
Speaker 2: you like ten blocks each, So uh, Tray j I
30:38
Speaker 2: need I know you're like a nineteen points a game.
30:42
Speaker 2: I need sixteen out of you, right, And everyone else
30:45
Speaker 2: is sitting around the room. They're like, okay, Walker only
30:47
Speaker 2: has to do sex. He's gotta do sixteen. And then
30:50
Speaker 2: you're like Lowry. Lowry's just like yes, here to me,
30:53
Speaker 2: Lowry twenty four. It's like what I thought it was
30:56
Speaker 2: gonna be more than that I'd be like thirty five. Uh, Kyante,
31:00
Speaker 2: I know you gave us twenty four last year. You're
31:02
Speaker 2: back down to nineteen. He's like, what what do you mean?
31:06
Speaker 2: Ace twenty four from you? Okay, guys ready to break,
31:09
Speaker 2: Like like you said, ensemble cast, it's got to be.
31:13
Speaker 2: It's gotta be an interesting conversation with your agent, with
31:17
Speaker 2: your teammates, with your coaches, especially when the expectation for
31:22
Speaker 2: young players is I want your development. I want your
31:26
Speaker 2: growth to just I want your statistical evidence of that
31:29
Speaker 2: growth to be up into the right. Except what turnovers?
31:34
Speaker 2: I need that down into the right. Okay, everything else.
31:37
Speaker 2: More assist per game, more steals per game, more blocks
31:39
Speaker 2: per game, more rebounds, higher field goal percentage. I need
31:43
Speaker 2: all of it to be a linear progression. And Kyante
31:47
Speaker 2: is just like, who finally I did that twenty five,
31:49
Speaker 2: twenty six, and like, I need a plateau from you. Kyante,
31:54
Speaker 2: you need to pick your spots a little bit more
31:56
Speaker 2: because we're gonna win. And that again, if you're Keyante
32:02
Speaker 2: and anyone else in this role, you go all right,
32:06
Speaker 2: wait a second, he said, of being the best scorer
32:13
Speaker 2: on a bad team, I get to be a scorer
32:19
Speaker 2: on a good team, I'd rather be that or maybe
32:23
Speaker 2: that's the probably, I think that's the I think that's
32:26
Speaker 2: how most of these guys are wired, right, and Will
32:30
Speaker 2: Hardy has gotten these guys to buy in from an
32:34
Speaker 2: individual efforts standpoint, every every team he's had in these
32:38
Speaker 2: last four years, he's gotten that buy in even though
32:42
Speaker 2: they've been not trying to win, right, So you got
32:46
Speaker 2: to feel good. If you've been paying attention, you've noticed
32:49
Speaker 2: that you need more of it on the defensive end
32:51
Speaker 2: for sure, and like we said, hopefully a healthy walker
32:55
Speaker 2: and bring in Jaron Jackson junior should should help a
32:58
Speaker 2: ton on that end. But if you've been paying attention,
33:03
Speaker 2: you've seen that level of buy in when they've not
33:06
Speaker 2: been trying to win. So it gives you a lot
33:07
Speaker 2: of hope that once starting next year, hopefully the health,
33:12
Speaker 2: like I said, plays its part in that all your
33:16
Speaker 2: main guys are healthy and the first year you're trying
33:18
Speaker 2: to win, you're going to get you're going to still
33:21
Speaker 2: get that buy in and you actually have the talent
33:24
Speaker 2: to make where it has a huge difference in the record.
33:28
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Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
34:22
Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
34:26
Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
34:28
Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk.
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Speaker 4: Stay for his list of the day A list today.
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Speaker 2: Here's oc with.
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Speaker 1: Basketball sabon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell shown.
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Speaker 5: Ahead.
34:47
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Sean O'Connell Show once again, Welcome our
34:50
Speaker 2: resident NBA guru, mister Gordy CHIASA. Hey, Gordy, how are you?
34:54
Speaker 6: Thiks showing I'm doing well? Thank you.
34:57
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz last night hard fought battle against the Nuggets,
35:02
Speaker 2: but ultimately a loss, which I think is what everyone
35:06
Speaker 2: kind of hopes for, especially against the good teams in
35:09
Speaker 2: the NBA, and I wanted to We started the show
35:11
Speaker 2: today talking about Kyante George specifically. He had another really
35:15
Speaker 2: nice game and he's had a lot of those this year,
35:18
Speaker 2: and we were talking about, you know, like the place
35:21
Speaker 2: that he really fits in on a playoff team and
35:24
Speaker 2: the Jazz hope to be that starting next year. Right now,
35:28
Speaker 2: he's kind of on his own because of all the
35:30
Speaker 2: other injuries that have piled up, and even in that sense,
35:34
Speaker 2: he almost willed this team to a victory last night
35:38
Speaker 2: against a really good Nugget squads. So Kiante's growth this
35:42
Speaker 2: year something we have talked about. But what does Kiante's
35:44
Speaker 2: future look like?
35:47
Speaker 6: Coin He's a starting guard and he's a sewan. He's
35:51
Speaker 6: a combination point guard, scoring guard, and he can make shots,
35:56
Speaker 6: and he's fearless, and so he's just definitely a winning
35:59
Speaker 6: starting point guard. And as they go forward, the Jazz
36:03
Speaker 6: and the next three to five years is knocking on
36:07
Speaker 6: being an All Star. So he's very good. And the
36:11
Speaker 6: maturity in dex has increased tremendously. This is third season
36:15
Speaker 6: the NBA. Usually speaking, the game slows down after the
36:20
Speaker 6: first two seasons where you really realize how how you
36:23
Speaker 6: have to play to win, and he's understanding that right now.
36:27
Speaker 6: So he's been spectacular the whole year and I'm glad
36:30
Speaker 6: for him as a young player. And the Jazz future
36:34
Speaker 6: is absolutely bright. So exact Black last night, he was
36:37
Speaker 6: absolutely brilliant, thirty six points, including fourteen for twenty two
36:42
Speaker 6: from the field. But it's when he got them and
36:44
Speaker 6: how he got them, And you mentioned the point about
36:47
Speaker 6: it is that he willed his team to almost the victory.
36:51
Speaker 6: His shooting last night was pitch perfect. When he shot them,
36:54
Speaker 6: how he shot them, and muscle why he shot them.
36:59
Speaker 2: So you're debating in the first segment, a guy like him,
37:02
Speaker 2: if you in an ideal world, you slot him in
37:05
Speaker 2: to the role of top scorer on the team, secondary
37:08
Speaker 2: scorer because you're wanting him to be more of a facilitator.
37:12
Speaker 2: Do you relegate him more to that third or fourth
37:14
Speaker 2: spot in the again this imaginary perfect world that the
37:19
Speaker 2: Jazz have not ever existed in but hopefully will sooner
37:22
Speaker 2: than later. Deontay George Phil's what scoring role?
37:28
Speaker 6: Third option? Okay, yeah, which is good. Third option has
37:32
Speaker 6: averaging twenty something a game and will say seven dimes
37:37
Speaker 6: and hopefully one point six steals, which is absolutely critical
37:41
Speaker 6: when you're guarding the MBA, be able to walk, intent
37:44
Speaker 6: and steal. And so Ace Belly got a whole bunch
37:48
Speaker 6: of talent. Could be that second guy and the first
37:52
Speaker 6: guy again, it could be Larry Marketing, who again, he
37:56
Speaker 6: just hasn't played such a long time. Still a lot
37:58
Speaker 6: of times it's out of sight, out of mind. And
38:01
Speaker 6: whoever the Jazz draft this year, that guy, whether it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
38:07
Speaker 6: where the lot of regards allowed the Jazz to draft,
38:11
Speaker 6: come this tune, that guy will also be a major
38:15
Speaker 6: high level talent. So the question is always a show,
38:19
Speaker 6: just like in the NFL, when there's a talent that
38:22
Speaker 6: a player has meets, what the skill set meets, what
38:25
Speaker 6: the mental part of it to be able to play
38:27
Speaker 6: at a high level, and everyone matures differently. Was seeing
38:31
Speaker 6: right in front of us count De George under mature
38:34
Speaker 6: and index is now increasing dramatically. So he's really done
38:38
Speaker 6: a great job for himself and the Jazz coaching steps
38:40
Speaker 6: recommended where they've done with him as far as slowing
38:43
Speaker 6: their game down for him.
38:45
Speaker 2: On the other side of things, you have a Denver
38:47
Speaker 2: Nuggets team that obviously they've got maybe the best player
38:51
Speaker 2: in the league, one of the three best players in
38:52
Speaker 2: the league. They've got nice secondary pieces. The bench last
38:56
Speaker 2: night at least was not bad. When you look at
38:59
Speaker 2: this Nuggets team, how close to real contention are.
39:02
Speaker 6: They very They're close. You know, left night's game, the
39:09
Speaker 6: Jazz out fought them, and to their credit, so it's
39:13
Speaker 6: more the Jazz played a If the Jas play like that,
39:16
Speaker 6: you're generally speaking, they would have had six to eight
39:18
Speaker 6: more victories this year. They were ferocious on defense. The
39:21
Speaker 6: Jazz led by Elijah Harkless. Now the Nuggets point of view,
39:26
Speaker 6: the Nuggets cooperated with them minus Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray
39:30
Speaker 6: last night Sean was really he was He wasn't human
39:34
Speaker 6: last night. He was playing in a twilight zone. So
39:36
Speaker 6: Jamal was not human last night forty five points, eight assists,
39:41
Speaker 6: two steals. They're right there as far as contending to
39:44
Speaker 6: be NBA champs. Let's not forget they're playing. They're playing
39:48
Speaker 6: last night with with with that with injury, with injuries
39:52
Speaker 6: as far as who they didn't have, and that was
39:55
Speaker 6: a factor as far as on their depth right now.
39:57
Speaker 6: So you put in there, you put in there Iron
40:00
Speaker 6: Gordon in the lineup, Peyton Watson and Cam Johnson and
40:04
Speaker 6: along with Tim Hardaway and Bruce Brown, they're really absolutely
40:08
Speaker 6: in Unis Vlachionis they have enough bench to go. So
40:12
Speaker 6: that's a lot of changes with injuries right now, but
40:15
Speaker 6: the Nuggets right ruggets with those three guys being out
40:18
Speaker 6: last night, they're right there as far as being contenders.
40:22
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40:28
Speaker 2: your Utah v. Lux Steeler. As the Jazz continue this
40:33
Speaker 2: delicate balance and you see a game like the one
40:35
Speaker 2: we saw out of Keyanta George where he's doing a
40:40
Speaker 2: lot of the heavy lifting by himself. What about the
40:43
Speaker 2: role players, because the role players have to. As the
40:46
Speaker 2: injuries pile up and the shutdowns pile up, the role
40:49
Speaker 2: players have to shift and they have to change. And
40:52
Speaker 2: you saw something good from Spheed last night coming off
40:56
Speaker 2: the bench. Kyle Philapowski with nineteen points was relatively efficient.
41:01
Speaker 2: As you see these guys improving their game. Who's standing out.
41:05
Speaker 7: To you.
41:08
Speaker 6: Isaiah Callier. He's the guy also that he when he's
41:12
Speaker 6: in the game, only good things happen. And so the
41:15
Speaker 6: Jets have a nice interesting dilemma where jan Da George
41:21
Speaker 6: is quote a guard, so if he's not a point guard,
41:23
Speaker 6: he's not a two guard, he's a guard and that's
41:25
Speaker 6: a compliment. And Isaiah Kllier is a guard and he's
41:29
Speaker 6: more of a power guarden in a good way where
41:30
Speaker 6: he bully scores in the lane, but he's past happy.
41:34
Speaker 6: And then Elijah Harkless, who's this guy in a two
41:37
Speaker 6: way contract that is absolutely a junkyard dog on defense.
41:41
Speaker 6: He takes guarding people in a very serious state of
41:43
Speaker 6: mind and he can play in the NBA. And so
41:48
Speaker 6: all those two guys stand out. Isaiah Khalia and what
41:51
Speaker 6: they're gonna do with uh with with Hawkless and then
41:56
Speaker 6: Censor Bar is a knockdown shooter. So I like the
41:59
Speaker 6: Jezz bench. I like they're all contributed. So Sean last
42:02
Speaker 6: night's game, for example, the Jazz bench of right senseerball
42:07
Speaker 6: Oscar sheet Way also in a two way contract, Steve Mahaid,
42:10
Speaker 6: Luke John conc Conchart and as they Collier, they scored
42:15
Speaker 6: forty seven points and twelve assists and out play badly
42:19
Speaker 6: the understudies of the Nuggets, and that's why the Jets
42:22
Speaker 6: were able to compete. So some of those guys will
42:24
Speaker 6: be gone, some will be on the team where we
42:27
Speaker 6: don't know how it all plays out. It makes it
42:28
Speaker 6: so interesting. So the Jazz have a really some good
42:32
Speaker 6: decision making this offseason as far as who they take,
42:36
Speaker 6: who they move on, who they try to trade for
42:39
Speaker 6: as different pieces too.
42:41
Speaker 2: After a three game home stayd the Jazz go back
42:43
Speaker 2: out on the road, it'll be the seventy six ers. First.
42:48
Speaker 2: How do they match up against Philly?
42:52
Speaker 3: Good?
42:53
Speaker 6: Absolutely good? But Philadelphia, you know, to their credit they
42:58
Speaker 6: have a trender's back court. So let's not forget terse
43:01
Speaker 6: Maxie leads the NBA in most minutes played this season,
43:06
Speaker 6: so he's number one in the NBA minutes on the
43:08
Speaker 6: court thirty eight point five minutes and the rookie j
43:13
Speaker 6: Edgecombe who was the third pick of the draft, show
43:15
Speaker 6: you and I tell her in Less you very much
43:17
Speaker 6: before the draft and Bill University he's sits in the
43:20
Speaker 6: NBA and minutes played. So their backcourt is absolutely heavy
43:24
Speaker 6: lifting and those guys have played tremendous for them. So
43:28
Speaker 6: if you talk about heartless and a Collier and Decante George,
43:33
Speaker 6: this road trip to the City of Brotherly Love, which
43:36
Speaker 6: is where the Jazz played them tomorrow night in Philadelphia
43:40
Speaker 6: is going to be challenging for them. So it's going
43:42
Speaker 6: to be a good matchup the sixties point of view
43:45
Speaker 6: they had. You know, again, it's always what about Joel
43:49
Speaker 6: on Beef. He's like the he's the elephant in the
43:52
Speaker 6: back room where he's hurt right now with the right
43:54
Speaker 6: of bleached strain. He said, he's out who's playing against
43:57
Speaker 6: the Jazz and also poor again out of sights, out
44:01
Speaker 6: of mind. He has that suspension of twenty five game
44:05
Speaker 6: for violating the NBA anti drug program where he forfeited
44:11
Speaker 6: shown eleven point seventy four point two million dollars for
44:14
Speaker 6: twenty five games. He's suspended. He won't play against the Jazz.
44:18
Speaker 6: So the Sixers right now, they're overachieving, to their credit
44:22
Speaker 6: to the sixth seed in the NBA at thirty three
44:25
Speaker 6: and twenty seven. They're going to try to catch the
44:27
Speaker 6: upstart Raptors who are also overachieving, and they're going to
44:31
Speaker 6: try to hold off the Magic and the Heat who
44:35
Speaker 6: are going to try to chase them. So it should
44:36
Speaker 6: be interested. It should be a good game for the
44:38
Speaker 6: Jazz as far as them seeing they can build on
44:41
Speaker 6: the intensity level of last night.
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Speaker 2: What's your list today, Gordy?
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Speaker 6: All right, My list today is right on point about scoring.
44:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Scoring, Hey, even though defense rules, you've got to be
44:54
Speaker 6: able to score the ball. So these guys have a
44:56
Speaker 6: career part of scoring the ball. My list today is
45:01
Speaker 6: most career NBA games of scoring twenty plus points in
45:06
Speaker 6: a regular season contest, so the most ever Korea twenty
45:11
Speaker 6: point games. It's the quick attributes. One, you need one
45:16
Speaker 6: signature scoring go to move like for example, range jumper, skyhook, velocity,
45:24
Speaker 6: twist layer two, consistently scoring through physicality. The better scorer
45:29
Speaker 6: you are showing, the more they're going to try to
45:31
Speaker 6: stop you with being physical. Three, you have to be
45:34
Speaker 6: an accurate foul shooting touch, you get the bumping, you
45:38
Speaker 6: get Thouves all the time you go to the foul line,
45:40
Speaker 6: you go zero for two for a crew. Wise, that's awful.
45:43
Speaker 8: Four.
45:44
Speaker 6: You have to be a shot creator and the finisher
45:47
Speaker 6: out of chaos. The better scorer you are, the less
45:51
Speaker 6: rhythm the defense allows you to have. So I clear
45:54
Speaker 6: up the score out of chaos. And the last thing
45:56
Speaker 6: is that we have a long career in the NBA
45:59
Speaker 6: or in the SOO. In Major League baseball, you have
46:01
Speaker 6: to have mind, body durability, the ability mentally to score
46:07
Speaker 6: the ball under pressure, and that quotes physical and also mentally.
46:12
Speaker 6: Here we go. I kept it, only only kept it
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Speaker 6: Torelli only twelve guys, twelfth all time. Dominique Wilkins seven
46:18
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty six twenty point plus games, Number eleven.
46:23
Speaker 6: Will Chamberlain did it seven seventy one, but Sean only
46:27
Speaker 6: in fourteen seasons. Number ten he plays right now for
46:31
Speaker 6: the Cavaliers. James Harden done it seven and seventy four times,
46:36
Speaker 6: Number nine all time. Camelo Anthony, he's done it seven
46:40
Speaker 6: and ninety six times. Number eight, Shachill O'Neill eight twenty
46:45
Speaker 6: six twenty point games and plus number seven. Dirk Nowitzki
46:49
Speaker 6: with that step back jump shot. He did it eight
46:52
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty one times. Number six. Michael Jordan in
46:58
Speaker 6: fifth in fifteen seasons did it nine hundred and twenty
47:02
Speaker 6: six times. Number five. The late great Kobe Bryant did
47:06
Speaker 6: it nine hundred and forty one times. Number four. He
47:09
Speaker 6: plays for the He plays Houston Rockets right now as
47:12
Speaker 6: we speak. He got twenty last night plus in the
47:16
Speaker 6: last night's game against the Wizards. Kevin Durant has done
47:20
Speaker 6: it one thousand and seven times. Number three. Kareem Abdul
47:25
Speaker 6: Jabbar scored twenty or more points in a game one thousand,
47:29
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty two times. Number two. I had
47:33
Speaker 6: the privileged coach this guy in many of these games.
47:36
Speaker 6: Carl Malone is second all time in the most ever
47:39
Speaker 6: twenty plus point games with one thousand, one hundred and
47:44
Speaker 6: thirty four and the number one scorer and the most
47:47
Speaker 6: ever twenty point plus games is Lebron James and counting
47:51
Speaker 6: of the Lakers with one thousand, three hundred and fourteen
47:57
Speaker 6: times he did it, Which shows your old the attributes
48:00
Speaker 6: that all these guys in this list have quickly what
48:03
Speaker 6: if out present Jazz roster Larry Markinen has done it
48:07
Speaker 6: in his career two hundred and seventeen times as far
48:12
Speaker 6: as twenty point games and Chante George. We get the
48:15
Speaker 6: feeling that he's gonna keep scoring in that list someday
48:17
Speaker 6: and hopefully has a long, long long Korea, he'll be
48:20
Speaker 6: there some day as far as in this list. Thus
48:22
Speaker 6: showing that's my list up today.
48:26
Speaker 2: Gordney, it's always a great pleasure. Thanks for your time again.
48:29
Speaker 6: Thanks Sean, peace out, stay well.
48:31
Speaker 2: Gordy Chie is a resident NBA guru, will have him
48:34
Speaker 2: in the studio. Were we do that tomorrow? Because there's
48:37
Speaker 2: a Utah women's basketball game on Thursday? Is that right, James,
48:41
Speaker 2: I think that's right. That's right, that's right. And it's
48:44
Speaker 2: a big Utah Ones basketball game. Of course because it's
48:47
Speaker 2: big because it's big tal tournament, but also because it's
48:49
Speaker 2: probably a rivalry game and the revenge game for Gavin
48:54
Speaker 2: Peterson's crew this year. They're on win to two against
48:57
Speaker 2: BYU so far. That's a good team down there. They
49:01
Speaker 2: get a third shot at it with all the marbles
49:04
Speaker 2: for all the marbles, third time to charm. Yeah, I
49:09
Speaker 2: like that. You said it's for all the marbles. It's
49:11
Speaker 2: for some marbles. Well as far as each of those
49:14
Speaker 2: teams n Cway Tournament hopes, it is for all those
49:17
Speaker 2: for all the marbles. Yeah, it's not. It's not a
49:19
Speaker 2: national championship, a big twelve championships, not, it's not those
49:23
Speaker 2: particular marbles. But it is for marbles, for the ones
49:26
Speaker 2: that set it, for the most attainable marbles. That's what's
49:30
Speaker 2: on the line here. All right, we're gonna start coining
49:32
Speaker 2: that on this show. Specific We're just gonna be like
49:35
Speaker 2: they're playing for the marbles. This one's for all some marbles.
49:41
Speaker 2: If they say all some marbles, Yeah, not all of
49:43
Speaker 2: the marbles. It's for some marbles though. All Right, I
49:47
Speaker 2: gotta take a break here. Hot lunch coming next, once
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Speaker 3: For me.
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Speaker 2: Some people can take a picture, even with their phone.
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Speaker 2: They could take a picture of their meal and it
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Speaker 2: Every time I try and do it, I fail. The
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Speaker 2: It looks bad way I take pictures. I need to
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Speaker 2: you need to put this on the menu permanently. It's
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Speaker 2: You're not getting those flavor combinations with burgers. You're usually
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Speaker 2: My mouth is watering. The burger's not even here yet,
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Speaker 2: This is the burger of the week. It's this garlic
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it to Burger Fusion, make her try
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Speaker 2: one of these delicious gourmet burgers before we take a
54:43
Speaker 2: break and we come back with Jonathan Tabernari and I'm
54:46
Speaker 2: gonna ask him about this as well. You have seen
54:49
Speaker 2: the glass floor playing surface that we're using for the
54:53
Speaker 2: Big twelve basketball tournament, right you saw it on social media? Yeah,
54:58
Speaker 2: I saw the uh the stual like graphic images. It's
55:02
Speaker 2: on the floor. It looks nice. It like they've laid
55:05
Speaker 2: it down. It's set up. They're i mean starting tomorrow
55:08
Speaker 2: for women's women's basketball tournament starts tomorrow, so yeah, they're
55:11
Speaker 2: ready to go. They're testing it out and it is
55:15
Speaker 2: it is wild to see they can just click a
55:18
Speaker 2: button and suddenly it's the Arizona State Sun Devil's floor.
55:22
Speaker 2: Click it again, Kansas State, click it again, running utes.
55:28
Speaker 2: It's an LED floor. It is a television screen that
55:31
Speaker 2: you play basketball on. Are we in or out on this?
55:34
Speaker 2: Now that the images are out there, now that the
55:36
Speaker 2: you've seen it, they used it a couple of years
55:38
Speaker 2: ago at NBA All Star Weekend? Are we in er
55:41
Speaker 2: out on this? I want you to tell me that
55:43
Speaker 2: before the tournament starts, before you hear what, players, do
55:46
Speaker 2: you think this is an idea that is going to work?
55:49
Speaker 2: You got it? You got the rest of the day
55:52
Speaker 2: today and like till like ten am tomorrow to give
55:56
Speaker 2: us your opinion before the game start. James, what what
55:59
Speaker 2: do you think? Is this something that I think it's
56:02
Speaker 2: cool for a special occasion. I don't know if we
56:04
Speaker 2: will ever see it as like an everyday NBA thing.
56:06
Speaker 2: I think players are gonna be somewhat resistant to that.
56:10
Speaker 2: I have made a prediction that in the Big Twelve tournament,
56:13
Speaker 2: players are gonna be asked about it. Everyone's gonna be
56:15
Speaker 2: cool with it. Kansas is gonna be the sticks in
56:17
Speaker 2: the mud about it. That's my prediction, because they're so
56:21
Speaker 2: steeped in tradition there, so there's so much everything's below us.
56:27
Speaker 2: We're so much better than everybody else. Why would we
56:29
Speaker 2: need to do these changes in basketball? We invented basketball
56:33
Speaker 2: in the Lawrence, Kansas. This is what we do. So
56:36
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna poop poo it, and I think
56:38
Speaker 2: everyone else is gonna be like, hey, this is actually
56:39
Speaker 2: kind of cool, act kind of cool. I I was.
56:42
Speaker 2: I was. I was a cynic at the beginning because
56:46
Speaker 2: of how Bret your Mark framed like this reveal this
56:51
Speaker 2: thing we're gonna do is gonna be the most innovative
56:53
Speaker 2: thing anyone's ever done in basketball, And then it's like, yeah,
56:56
Speaker 2: this is this is an innovative thing, but it was not.
57:01
Speaker 2: I don't know that it lives up to that, to
57:03
Speaker 2: that billing. But take setting that aside, which I've done,
57:07
Speaker 2: and now that I've actually seen some of the images
57:10
Speaker 2: that they put out on social media, I think it's
57:13
Speaker 2: I'm into it for conference tournament, for a preseason they
57:19
Speaker 2: call them mtes multi team event tournament type things. I'm like, absolutely,
57:25
Speaker 2: especially if you're not having it at a storied place
57:28
Speaker 2: like Madison Square Garden, Like make your your relatively lesser
57:34
Speaker 2: venue a lot cooler by putting something like this down. Absolutely,
57:39
Speaker 2: we have now seen in college football. We have seen
57:43
Speaker 2: purple turf installed, We've seen red turf installed. Boise State
57:47
Speaker 2: obviously has their iconic smurf turf the blue there. I
57:51
Speaker 2: saw a high school that has a black turf, which
57:53
Speaker 2: is awesome looking but probably incredibly hot in the sun.
57:58
Speaker 2: Is this the new wave of playing surface technology that
58:01
Speaker 2: I think it can be? You know what else? James?
58:05
Speaker 2: The next application for this? Ryan Smith? I know you
58:08
Speaker 2: listen to the show every single day. You put this
58:13
Speaker 2: under the ice right now. I don't know if there's
58:17
Speaker 2: technology that allows for that. You put this under ice
58:22
Speaker 2: and you've got a graphic floor projecting up through the ice.
58:26
Speaker 2: I know they can do the laser shows down from
58:28
Speaker 2: the top, but you can't do that while gameplay is happening,
58:32
Speaker 2: because you can't be projecting lasers and having skaters skate
58:37
Speaker 2: through them. Do this under some ice that would look sick.
58:43
Speaker 2: You're just trying to get your friend from PAC twelve
58:46
Speaker 2: today some more money, is what you're doing? O friend
58:48
Speaker 2: from the PFL and the PFL excuse me? And I
58:51
Speaker 2: texted him about this because you know, it's about to
58:54
Speaker 2: be rolled out. Let's just say he is going to
58:59
Speaker 2: be very very well. He already is very happy that
59:02
Speaker 2: he came up with this idea. This is working out
59:05
Speaker 2: very nicely for him, and I'm super happy to hear it.
59:09
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You might think, Ah, you know what, all
59:13
Speaker 2: the innovations, all the crazy changes in sports have already happened.
59:16
Speaker 2: There's no money left to be made. You're wrong. First
59:19
Speaker 2: time it's being rolled out. The dude whose idea was
59:22
Speaker 2: one of the patents in the United States, that's the
59:24
Speaker 2: golden parachute for him. Love it well. Ask Jonathan Tabernari
59:29
Speaker 2: if you would like to play on a glass floor.
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Speaker 2: JT Welcome back to the show. How are you?
1:00:45
Speaker 3: I am doing good, my man?
1:00:46
Speaker 2: How are you doing awesome? We were just talking about
1:00:49
Speaker 2: this new floor that the Big Twelve Tournament is rolling
1:00:53
Speaker 2: out the It's called the Glass Floor. It's effectively a
1:00:58
Speaker 2: giant led screen that they're going to play live competition,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: meaningful basketball on for the very first time. This was
1:01:05
Speaker 2: used a couple of years ago at NBA All Star
1:01:07
Speaker 2: Weekend for a bunch of exhibition stuff, dunk contest, three
1:01:11
Speaker 2: point shooting, you know, Nickelodeon games. This is the first
1:01:15
Speaker 2: time it's going to be used in a conference tournament
1:01:17
Speaker 2: with actual meaningful things on the line. And it is
1:01:22
Speaker 2: not a wooden playing surface obviously because led lights don't
1:01:26
Speaker 2: shine up through woods. So it's going to be a
1:01:28
Speaker 2: different feel, a slightly different and acrylic for the players.
1:01:32
Speaker 2: What would you as a player feel like or think
1:01:35
Speaker 2: about something like this?
1:01:37
Speaker 5: Well, so I actually got to play two non official
1:01:42
Speaker 5: games on one of those floors at the end of
1:01:44
Speaker 5: my career, you know, Fiba Foeba, you know, pioneer the
1:01:49
Speaker 5: technology and a lot of the games that we would
1:01:52
Speaker 5: play at the beginning of the season in Belgium, in Brussos,
1:01:57
Speaker 5: in Germany, three seasons ornaments, some of these floors were
1:02:02
Speaker 5: tested and and.
1:02:04
Speaker 3: I'll say is this.
1:02:05
Speaker 5: I didn't feel like it was slippery.
1:02:08
Speaker 3: Or it was kind of like.
1:02:11
Speaker 5: Dangerous, you know, although I always was like, you know, what.
1:02:15
Speaker 3: If someone like falls really.
1:02:18
Speaker 5: Hard or you know, like what happens, you know, but
1:02:21
Speaker 5: obviously technology is in such a way that that.
1:02:24
Speaker 3: Is not a danger.
1:02:25
Speaker 5: But I will say this, the lights on the floor
1:02:28
Speaker 5: are weird.
1:02:30
Speaker 3: And it took me a minute to kind of like.
1:02:33
Speaker 5: Get together because they would change doing the free throw
1:02:36
Speaker 5: line and you know, that would be commercials and that
1:02:40
Speaker 5: would be you know, advertisements that would come in on
1:02:43
Speaker 5: the floor, you know, doing timeouts. The floor was like
1:02:48
Speaker 5: changing collars and all of this stuff, and you're like,
1:02:50
Speaker 5: it's you know, I don't want to be the guy
1:02:53
Speaker 5: that there's a TV in.
1:02:54
Speaker 3: A room and you lose me.
1:02:56
Speaker 5: But you know, like you're like seeing all of these
1:02:58
Speaker 5: collars like you watching an Avatar.
1:03:01
Speaker 3: Movie and you're like, what in the world is happening?
1:03:04
Speaker 3: And so.
1:03:06
Speaker 5: It is what it is. Right with the All Star
1:03:08
Speaker 5: Game the way they did it, it constantly changed doing motions.
1:03:12
Speaker 5: It will be interesting to see how the Big twelve
1:03:17
Speaker 5: delivers in terms of like how it changes. But as
1:03:20
Speaker 5: a player, I will tell you it was an odd feeling,
1:03:24
Speaker 5: but that it's super cool to fans and for players
1:03:29
Speaker 5: you're like, okay, well it is what it is, right
1:03:31
Speaker 5: and so but you know, something cool for the fans.
1:03:34
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, everyone in Utah knows that the best surface to
1:03:38
Speaker 2: play basketball on, by the way, is that old carpet
1:03:41
Speaker 2: flooring that you would have at the Stake centers back
1:03:44
Speaker 2: in the day. That's that's the ideal basketball surface. In
1:03:48
Speaker 2: my opinion.
1:03:49
Speaker 5: Well, listen, basketball, we all know this, Sean, right, and
1:03:52
Speaker 5: I know you're not a member. But you know, basketball
1:03:56
Speaker 5: is the official religion of heaven.
1:04:00
Speaker 3: You know, it's you know, the Mormon Church being the
1:04:04
Speaker 3: only true church.
1:04:05
Speaker 5: Right there is a basketball court in every gym and
1:04:08
Speaker 5: so you know, but I will say this Sean, like
1:04:11
Speaker 5: you know, I got to play a lot of basketball
1:04:14
Speaker 5: in those.
1:04:15
Speaker 3: Old carpeted floors.
1:04:16
Speaker 5: And you know, I was a Catholic I converted to Mormonism.
1:04:22
Speaker 5: And having a basketball court and a hoop that I
1:04:26
Speaker 5: had access to it pretty much.
1:04:27
Speaker 3: All day every day may.
1:04:29
Speaker 5: Or may not have influenced my decision to get baptized.
1:04:32
Speaker 2: Sean, well, it makes sense to me, and un ironically,
1:04:35
Speaker 2: I actually loved I I'm not a member of the
1:04:38
Speaker 2: LEDs Church. I did grow up doing scouts and activities
1:04:42
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Shout out to the Buttercup Chapel
1:04:45
Speaker 2: down in Sandy. They had the carpeted floor. I unironically
1:04:49
Speaker 2: loved playing every sport we played in that building. I
1:04:52
Speaker 2: thought it was fantastic, including basketball. I guess people like
1:04:57
Speaker 2: me who are on athletic you slip a lot more
1:04:59
Speaker 2: on the wooden floors. You don't get to slide around
1:05:02
Speaker 2: and slip around on those carpeted floors.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: JT Well, I will say this, Seawan.
1:05:06
Speaker 5: You know a lot of people with my career, they say, oh,
1:05:09
Speaker 5: he was a professional athlete, and they said, no, sir,
1:05:12
Speaker 5: I was a professional basketball player. I had to run
1:05:15
Speaker 5: from three point line to three point line, and according
1:05:18
Speaker 5: to stats in college, I got a rebound and I
1:05:21
Speaker 5: went to the painting about five times and as a
1:05:23
Speaker 5: pro about six times a game. And so I you know,
1:05:27
Speaker 5: you have my symplacy, my friend, because I was a
1:05:30
Speaker 5: professional three point shooter, not a professional athlete.
1:05:33
Speaker 2: I love that. All right, let's talk about what we're
1:05:35
Speaker 2: really here for. BYU basketball is right now, very very
1:05:40
Speaker 2: hard for me to figure out. You know, I've I
1:05:42
Speaker 2: drank the kool aid early in the year. I saw
1:05:44
Speaker 2: that roster. I saw the star power. I saw what
1:05:47
Speaker 2: aj Debonsa can do when he takes over a game.
1:05:50
Speaker 2: Adding that to right, adding that to Richie Saunders, who
1:05:53
Speaker 2: was really good last year, kevib being the guy who's
1:05:57
Speaker 2: willing to do all the dirty work. I'm like, man,
1:05:58
Speaker 2: this is a deeper tournament team. And we saw plenty
1:06:02
Speaker 2: of performances that supported that idea. And then you know,
1:06:06
Speaker 2: a couple of injuries happen and some inconsistency, re reres
1:06:10
Speaker 2: it's ugly head, and you start to pay attention to
1:06:13
Speaker 2: the numbers and you're like, man, I don't know if
1:06:14
Speaker 2: they have any like seriously meaningful wins right now, and
1:06:18
Speaker 2: again you have to start questioning things. So where are
1:06:23
Speaker 2: we at with what BYU? With a couple of games
1:06:26
Speaker 2: left before we get into tournament time, with our confidence
1:06:30
Speaker 2: that this team is going to be able to figure
1:06:32
Speaker 2: it out in the short time left.
1:06:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, let's dissect this because I think you
1:06:37
Speaker 5: hit on a lot of points, Sean, that all of
1:06:40
Speaker 5: them are true at the same time, right, And so
1:06:43
Speaker 5: let's start at the beginning, as one does. At the
1:06:46
Speaker 5: beginning of the season, with the roster they had, I
1:06:50
Speaker 5: firmly believe that drink kind of blue kool Aid was
1:06:53
Speaker 5: totally acceptable. YU was looking to be most likely one
1:06:57
Speaker 5: of the most dominant teams in the country, and we
1:07:00
Speaker 5: all got to see that as the seasoning on up
1:07:03
Speaker 5: until November December. At that point, fatigue, injuries, losses started
1:07:11
Speaker 5: depleting the team all the way through the month of
1:07:13
Speaker 5: January and February. Right now, we also have to call
1:07:18
Speaker 5: a spade a spade, which is, you know, the Big
1:07:21
Speaker 5: Twelve is arguably the first or second conference in the country.
1:07:25
Speaker 5: It is a gauntlet of a schedule, and so that
1:07:29
Speaker 5: also plays a big factor.
1:07:31
Speaker 3: And then you get to the loss of.
1:07:34
Speaker 5: Richie Saunders, which Sean, I don't remember if we talked
1:07:38
Speaker 5: about this or not, but I have a hard time believing,
1:07:40
Speaker 5: Sean that we're probably going to see another kid, you
1:07:43
Speaker 5: know that like Richie Saunders, stay on the same team
1:07:47
Speaker 5: and develop and get better year after year. I feel
1:07:50
Speaker 5: like he is a dying breed, you know what I'm saying.
1:07:53
Speaker 5: And so, and then you get to where things are now,
1:07:57
Speaker 5: where you know by U is kind of you know,
1:08:01
Speaker 5: and again I'm gonna say that they look this is
1:08:04
Speaker 5: my opinion, but they look not very interested in finishing
1:08:09
Speaker 5: the Big Twelve. They look like they're ready for March madness. Unfortunately,
1:08:13
Speaker 5: you can get there without the next two or three
1:08:16
Speaker 5: games that they well at least three games, you know,
1:08:19
Speaker 5: today against Cincinnati at Cincinnati and then Saturday against Texas.
1:08:25
Speaker 3: Tech, and then one.
1:08:27
Speaker 5: Or two or however many Big Twelve tournament games. And
1:08:29
Speaker 5: so BI is not in a good spot right now, Sean.
1:08:32
Speaker 5: And and there's two reasons, well, there's two things that
1:08:35
Speaker 5: I want to talk about.
1:08:36
Speaker 3: The first one is they have all the excuses in
1:08:39
Speaker 3: the world to be losing games.
1:08:40
Speaker 5: Nate Pickens was supposed to be the backup point guard
1:08:42
Speaker 5: and never suited up for YU this year. Richie Saunders
1:08:46
Speaker 5: supposed to be, you know, the face of the program,
1:08:49
Speaker 5: done for the year, Dustin Baker's supposed to be their
1:08:52
Speaker 5: six men coming off the bench, done for the year.
1:08:55
Speaker 5: So they have all of the excuses why they're losing.
1:08:58
Speaker 5: The problem is, Sean, how they're losing, And to be
1:09:01
Speaker 5: honest with you, they're.
1:09:03
Speaker 3: Not losing in a good way.
1:09:04
Speaker 5: Now, well, is that such a thing as a bad loss?
1:09:06
Speaker 5: Not well, kind of in this day and age of metrics.
1:09:09
Speaker 5: But they're not playing hard. The effort is lack of
1:09:12
Speaker 5: days ago, and it's just very disappointing, right. It's it's difficult,
1:09:17
Speaker 5: you know, I work, I'm a BUYU TV analyst and
1:09:20
Speaker 5: a lot of times it's difficult to maintain, you know,
1:09:24
Speaker 5: the blue goggles of being a BYU guy working for
1:09:27
Speaker 5: a Buyu a BUYU channel.
1:09:30
Speaker 3: Because they don't look good and to me is a
1:09:33
Speaker 3: lack of effort.
1:09:34
Speaker 5: And so I think everything that you touched on it's
1:09:37
Speaker 5: it's one hundred percent true. There are reasons why by
1:09:41
Speaker 5: U is not winning, and they are you know, falling
1:09:45
Speaker 5: very fast if you will. But to me, the main
1:09:48
Speaker 5: thing is Sean just play hard, you know, like why
1:09:51
Speaker 5: can't they just play hard? And and and I wish
1:09:55
Speaker 5: that that was the norm more than the exception, But
1:09:58
Speaker 5: right now, you know, it feels like the exception is
1:10:01
Speaker 5: that Vaguer is not playing hard.
1:10:04
Speaker 2: Will playing hard solve these woes in a meaningful way?
1:10:09
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's nice to see a team play
1:10:14
Speaker 2: hard that doesn't have the necessary talent to win big games.
1:10:17
Speaker 2: I mean there's been games we've watched when Utah basketball
1:10:20
Speaker 2: this year played really really hard, but they're just they're
1:10:23
Speaker 2: just overmatched, right. They don't have Ja debonsa though, they
1:10:28
Speaker 2: don't have Rob Wright. So if those guys, if this
1:10:31
Speaker 2: BYU roster plays harder against Cincinnati, I think they can
1:10:36
Speaker 2: win that game. Can can a hard playing BYU roster
1:10:39
Speaker 2: beat Texas Tech and then win two three games in
1:10:42
Speaker 2: the Big twelve Tournament?
1:10:45
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
1:10:46
Speaker 5: In full t fantasy, I think to your point, BYU,
1:10:50
Speaker 5: if they play hard, they give themselves a chance to
1:10:52
Speaker 5: beat Cincinnati. That BYU plays hard I still think Texas
1:10:58
Speaker 5: Tech come out on top. Sean. I know that you
1:11:01
Speaker 5: know we're talking about BYU, but this is a Utah show.
1:11:03
Speaker 5: We're in the same conference, and I know you follow
1:11:06
Speaker 5: you know just as much as not more than I do.
1:11:08
Speaker 5: Texas Tech looks crazy good even without JT topping, which
1:11:12
Speaker 5: is scary. And so as you do that and you
1:11:16
Speaker 5: have a very emotional senior Knight and freshman Night if
1:11:19
Speaker 5: you will, for AJ, it just becomes it becomes one
1:11:23
Speaker 5: of those things that you're like, oh, geez, BYU has
1:11:25
Speaker 5: to play all the worldly to be able to beat
1:11:27
Speaker 5: these guys someone you know, skeptics can say, well, JT,
1:11:32
Speaker 5: but they beat Iowa States.
1:11:34
Speaker 3: Iowa Stag just didn't play well.
1:11:36
Speaker 5: And I think it's time for BYU fans to come
1:11:39
Speaker 5: to terms of the fact by you played well against
1:11:42
Speaker 5: Iowa State.
1:11:43
Speaker 3: B YU didn't.
1:11:46
Speaker 5: B YU played well against Iowa State. Iowa State wasn't
1:11:49
Speaker 5: even a shadow of themselves. And so I don't think
1:11:52
Speaker 5: it's a bit now that win to your point, that's
1:11:56
Speaker 5: the that's the not symbolic win that is there. You know,
1:12:01
Speaker 5: their marquee win of the season. Let's just put it
1:12:04
Speaker 5: right there, right that's their their signature win of the season.
1:12:09
Speaker 5: But it's still one of those things that you're like, geez,
1:12:12
Speaker 5: you know, is that going to be enough for them
1:12:14
Speaker 5: to not just be a nine or.
1:12:16
Speaker 3: A ten seed?
1:12:17
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you Sean, if they don't win, if
1:12:19
Speaker 5: they don't win a one off two games off today
1:12:23
Speaker 5: or Saturday, they're most likely going to fall to a
1:12:26
Speaker 5: ten seed in the NCAA tournament.
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean, relative to the preseason expectation, into the
1:12:35
Speaker 2: early expectation, how is that going to be handled? I
1:12:39
Speaker 2: had this conversation on the show last week. We do
1:12:42
Speaker 2: this all the time, championship or bust tournament or bust
1:12:46
Speaker 2: whatever or bust, but we don't ever really flesh out
1:12:49
Speaker 2: what or bust means. In a lot of cases, it
1:12:51
Speaker 2: means somebody loses a job, nobody at byus in danger
1:12:54
Speaker 2: of that. We've talked about this before. But what does
1:12:57
Speaker 2: it do if you underperform this way and then you
1:13:01
Speaker 2: lose AJ and you lose Rob Wright and you're back
1:13:04
Speaker 2: to a rebuild. Now, the program, I still think is
1:13:08
Speaker 2: in a good place, but we might never get another
1:13:12
Speaker 2: year where preseason expectations look like this for BYU basketball
1:13:17
Speaker 2: and if this is the ultimate result. Yikes.
1:13:21
Speaker 5: Well, and I think you're spot on, you know what
1:13:23
Speaker 5: I mean. I think that you know, perception is reality, right,
1:13:28
Speaker 5: and the perception is BYU basketball was headed to incredible heights.
1:13:34
Speaker 3: The reality is they had a lot of a lot.
1:13:39
Speaker 5: Of missteps during the way that all came because of injuries.
1:13:44
Speaker 5: And so the talk track that you're going to have
1:13:46
Speaker 5: to go to boosters and donors into the collectiveness. Look, guys,
1:13:52
Speaker 5: we have a chance to be special. You give us,
1:13:54
Speaker 5: you know, another fifteen million or so or whatever it
1:13:57
Speaker 5: is the number that is being thrown out for this roster.
1:14:01
Speaker 3: We're going to be competitive again.
1:14:02
Speaker 5: And I think that Dan at that point, Kevin Young,
1:14:05
Speaker 5: justin Young and the entire staff is going to have
1:14:08
Speaker 5: to go to work, right and uh, because they're not
1:14:12
Speaker 5: going to have a marquee player for the program like
1:14:14
Speaker 5: Richie Saunders is. They're not going to have you know,
1:14:19
Speaker 5: an AJD Bonds.
1:14:20
Speaker 3: Are coming in.
1:14:20
Speaker 5: Sure, they have a kid that they're recruiting that is
1:14:23
Speaker 5: a top five, top ten team in the kid in
1:14:25
Speaker 5: the country, but certainly they don't have someone that is
1:14:29
Speaker 5: going to be able to be a dominant force and
1:14:32
Speaker 5: have the aj AURA that that is going.
1:14:35
Speaker 3: To come in, right, and so it is going.
1:14:38
Speaker 5: It's a very interesting you know, with this week finishing
1:14:44
Speaker 5: up the regular season, next week being the conference tournament,
1:14:47
Speaker 5: the week after that d NCAA tournament starts, and so
1:14:52
Speaker 5: you know, I would say to your point, I agree,
1:14:54
Speaker 5: Kevin Young is not on the hot seat. I certainly would,
1:14:59
Speaker 5: you know, very much say that. I don't know if
1:15:02
Speaker 5: all members of his coaching staff come back, you know,
1:15:06
Speaker 5: and I think defense has been atrocious, right, And I
1:15:10
Speaker 5: think that's a fair thing to say, because Kevin Young
1:15:12
Speaker 5: has said it himself.
1:15:14
Speaker 3: And so it becomes one of those things.
1:15:16
Speaker 5: That you're like, Okay, Kevin Young is not in jeopardy,
1:15:19
Speaker 5: but is everybody else from the coaching staff, you know,
1:15:23
Speaker 5: our day in jeopardy.
1:15:24
Speaker 3: I think that's a very fair question to ask.
1:15:27
Speaker 5: What about the budget and the efforts that the collectives
1:15:31
Speaker 5: and the boosters and the donors are.
1:15:33
Speaker 3: Going to have. Are we going to.
1:15:35
Speaker 5: See the same level of investment come in now in
1:15:40
Speaker 5: three weeks sean we may be very well having a
1:15:42
Speaker 5: different conversation and go how about that BYU made a
1:15:45
Speaker 5: run in the Big twelve tournament, which I think is unlikely.
1:15:49
Speaker 5: What I think is likely is Byu makes a run
1:15:52
Speaker 5: and wins a couple of games in the ancient tournament
1:15:55
Speaker 5: and make the Sweet sixteen and Sean If Byu makes
1:15:58
Speaker 5: this Sweet sixteen, yes, I think that at that point
1:16:02
Speaker 5: everything is going to be the same as it was
1:16:04
Speaker 5: this year in terms of nil investments. And there's another
1:16:10
Speaker 5: word I'm looking for in terms of how much is
1:16:12
Speaker 5: going to be put into next season that Kevin Young
1:16:15
Speaker 5: is going to be able to work with. If they
1:16:17
Speaker 5: can get to the Sweet sixteen, I think that's a
1:16:19
Speaker 5: massive accomplishment.
1:16:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to acknowledge that that is still a
1:16:23
Speaker 2: possibility because you have one of the three best players
1:16:27
Speaker 2: in all of college hoops right now. You have Rob Wright,
1:16:30
Speaker 2: who I've heard things that maybe he's, you know, the
1:16:34
Speaker 2: chemistry is not ideal with him, but he's also going
1:16:37
Speaker 2: to be like, all right, this is the last ride.
1:16:39
Speaker 2: Let let's get right for the tournament. Players can put
1:16:43
Speaker 2: themselves into a, you know, a lofty place and an
1:16:46
Speaker 2: upcoming NBA draft just with how they perform in an
1:16:50
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament. So I think everyone's going to get dialed in.
1:16:54
Speaker 2: It's possible that they make that run, and if they do,
1:16:58
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, everything kind of comes out
1:17:01
Speaker 2: in the wash and we're like, oh, wow, what a
1:17:02
Speaker 2: weird what a weird season this has been, and would
1:17:05
Speaker 2: probably do what we did with like you know, the
1:17:07
Speaker 2: Gimmer teams, like, oh, what would if everyone had been available,
1:17:10
Speaker 2: if everyone had been healthy? Imagine what else could have
1:17:13
Speaker 2: been possible? If Richie Saunders hadn't got hurt? What else
1:17:15
Speaker 2: could have been possible for this BYU basketball team. But
1:17:18
Speaker 2: if they end up having like they go out with
1:17:20
Speaker 2: a bit of a whimper here, does it change the
1:17:23
Speaker 2: recruiting pitch at BYU? Because you can be the top
1:17:27
Speaker 2: player in the country here, you can be a top
1:17:30
Speaker 2: draft pick here, you can make good money here. But
1:17:33
Speaker 2: even when we have those things, if we didn't win
1:17:35
Speaker 2: at all, do you have to change the recruiting pitch.
1:17:39
Speaker 5: I don't think so, because here's the thing. You know,
1:17:42
Speaker 5: for you to win at all, you have a head.
1:17:44
Speaker 3: You have to have a lot of things alignance.
1:17:46
Speaker 5: I was talking to Blaine Fowler about a month ago
1:17:51
Speaker 5: and the nineteen eighty four BYU football team there was
1:17:55
Speaker 5: that won the national championship. I don't know if you
1:17:58
Speaker 5: knew this, Sean, but we started the same eleven twelve
1:18:02
Speaker 5: guys on defense all year long, and you know they
1:18:07
Speaker 5: didn't have a single injury on the defensive side of
1:18:09
Speaker 5: the ball all year. Where's the last time you heard
1:18:11
Speaker 5: of something like that, Sean Well, I'll tell you what me.
1:18:14
Speaker 2: I'll tell you it was the the O four Fiesta Bowl.
1:18:17
Speaker 2: Utes we had the same thing where everybody played there
1:18:21
Speaker 2: was one significant injury the whole year, and everyone else
1:18:26
Speaker 2: stayed healthy. Like I'm I'm talking offense and defense. There
1:18:29
Speaker 2: was only one like meaningful starter or projected starter that
1:18:34
Speaker 2: got hurt that was not available everyone else. We were lucky.
1:18:39
Speaker 2: And you make a really good point.
1:18:42
Speaker 5: And I think that when you look at that, you know,
1:18:44
Speaker 5: for you to be able to get to that Final four,
1:18:46
Speaker 5: you have to stay healthy. You have to have a
1:18:49
Speaker 5: lot of luck, you know, like the ping pong balls,
1:18:51
Speaker 5: no playing intended for the jazz and the draft and
1:18:54
Speaker 5: the fiasco that the NBA is handling thanking. But you know,
1:18:58
Speaker 5: like you gotta have a few things bounce your way.
1:19:02
Speaker 5: And so I don't think you change your pitch a loup, right,
1:19:06
Speaker 5: because with the way that things were with Jaegor and
1:19:09
Speaker 5: at the beginning, Kevin Young was able to land.
1:19:12
Speaker 3: Ajd Bonsa, right.
1:19:14
Speaker 5: And so you know, the one thing that I would say,
1:19:16
Speaker 5: Sean that you change your pitch a little bit is
1:19:19
Speaker 5: on the construction of the roster, meaning do you go
1:19:24
Speaker 5: super top heavy or now do you distribute that a
1:19:27
Speaker 5: little bit more so that instead of having two or
1:19:31
Speaker 5: three of the worldly players, you now have five or six,
1:19:36
Speaker 5: you know, guys that are eighty overall, and and you
1:19:41
Speaker 5: lean on the fact that you're going to have a
1:19:43
Speaker 5: roster of excuse me, six or seven guys that are
1:19:48
Speaker 5: you know, seventy five to eighty five overall, rather than
1:19:52
Speaker 5: you know, have three guys.
1:19:54
Speaker 3: That their two K ratings are ninety plus.
1:19:57
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm curious to see how Kevin unconstructed
1:20:00
Speaker 5: roster next year because these are fair questions.
1:20:04
Speaker 3: Right aside from the big.
1:20:06
Speaker 5: Three WI you had with rob Ryde aj Debonsa and
1:20:10
Speaker 5: Richie Saunders that I would say that those guys wore
1:20:13
Speaker 5: you know, ninety plus ratings. The drop was significant after
1:20:18
Speaker 5: debts where I wouldn't say that BIU has another guy
1:20:21
Speaker 5: that's an eighty and you know, I would say Kembakada
1:20:25
Speaker 5: is probably an eighty guy, you know, an eighty ratings
1:20:28
Speaker 5: type of guy, if you're kind of following what I'm saying,
1:20:31
Speaker 5: but you know, everybody else is in the seventies, and
1:20:34
Speaker 5: it's a big drop because if you lose one of
1:20:37
Speaker 5: those guys, it happens.
1:20:39
Speaker 3: What we're seeing right.
1:20:39
Speaker 2: Now, Arizona captured the regular season title in the Big
1:20:47
Speaker 2: Twelve with a big Monday win. Are they gonna win
1:20:51
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve tournament? Also?
1:20:56
Speaker 5: They will be difficult because they got a face. They're
1:20:59
Speaker 5: gonna have to say stops to stack, They're gonna have
1:21:01
Speaker 5: to face cancers, they have to Iowa State. You know,
1:21:05
Speaker 5: the conference is stup sean. I mean, look at TCU
1:21:08
Speaker 5: right TCU has a chance to win ten games in
1:21:10
Speaker 5: a Big twelve conference, which is something that you know,
1:21:14
Speaker 5: it's it's difficult. BYU is not going to be BYU
1:21:17
Speaker 5: will be you know, if BYU win the two games
1:21:20
Speaker 5: this week, by is going to be a seventh seed.
1:21:23
Speaker 3: I guarantee that, you know. And so they're gonna have
1:21:26
Speaker 3: to play a UCF.
1:21:27
Speaker 5: Team that's long and athletic, and they have a point
1:21:30
Speaker 5: guard that can go for thirty at any given point,
1:21:33
Speaker 5: you know, And so I don't know if Arizona is
1:21:36
Speaker 5: able to stay sharp because here's the other thing too, Sean,
1:21:40
Speaker 5: as you're having to play three games in four days,
1:21:43
Speaker 5: four games in five days, that's also going to take
1:21:46
Speaker 5: a toll for the NCAA tournament where you're gonna have
1:21:49
Speaker 5: to play two games in less than forty eight hours, right,
1:21:53
Speaker 5: and that is not easy to do, I can tell
1:21:56
Speaker 5: you that. And so you know, I I don't know,
1:22:01
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't even know, Sean, if Arizona
1:22:04
Speaker 5: is the number one overall seed anymore, which you know,
1:22:08
Speaker 5: for pretty much three months they were. But I you know,
1:22:11
Speaker 5: having watched Duke last night, Duke makes a very good case,
1:22:15
Speaker 5: Sean to be the number one overall seed. And I
1:22:18
Speaker 5: think the path for Duke to win the ACC tournament
1:22:22
Speaker 5: is less difficult than it is for Arizona to win
1:22:26
Speaker 5: the Big twelve tournament. And so, you know, a lot
1:22:28
Speaker 5: of implications, and you know, I am very grateful that
1:22:33
Speaker 5: that BYU gets to be part of March maddness.
1:22:36
Speaker 3: They are going to go to the tournament.
1:22:38
Speaker 5: Right. But then to your point of earlier, Sean, would
1:22:42
Speaker 5: could have should have what could have been?
1:22:46
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll be asking it, maybe we'll be talking about
1:22:48
Speaker 2: a great run. We'll just let the games play out.
1:22:51
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tabernari Blood watching closely. We'll talk about it next
1:22:55
Speaker 2: time we get a chance. JT. Appreciate your time.
1:22:57
Speaker 5: Thank you, sir, Hey, thank you so much for you guys.
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Speaker 2: The NFL continues their international push. The Atlanta Falcons are
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Speaker 2: Real Madrid's home stadium. Okay, so historic soccer venue, like
1:25:08
Speaker 2: one of the yeah, right, it's like one of the
1:25:11
Speaker 2: cathedrals of sport in Europe. That's cool. So that's really
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Speaker 2: cool that you get to play there. Beyond that, I
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Speaker 2: have no idea how interested the Spanish fans are, how
1:25:23
Speaker 2: large the XPAC community is. That people are going to
1:25:25
Speaker 2: show up, and I'm always interested when it comes to
1:25:28
Speaker 2: selecting who goes where. Right, there was the time where
1:25:32
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars, there was like that very early conversation
1:25:36
Speaker 2: that like, hey, we're going to try to make this
1:25:37
Speaker 2: like an London home team because of the owners British roots,
1:25:43
Speaker 2: and they've stuck with that. The Jags always get two
1:25:46
Speaker 2: games and or they always get at least a game
1:25:49
Speaker 2: in London every year. There's they're sticking with that. This year,
1:25:51
Speaker 2: I think they get two. That's cause shot Con is like, yeah,
1:25:54
Speaker 2: let's go to London. Yeah, I love London. I spend
1:25:57
Speaker 2: a lot of time in London. Right, So the Atlanta Falcons,
1:26:02
Speaker 2: it's like, if you're an European fan, a European NFL fan,
1:26:07
Speaker 2: you like American football, You're like, okay, now I like
1:26:09
Speaker 2: the Falcons because that's enough if you're a young kid.
1:26:14
Speaker 2: Especially while I watched this team play in person, it
1:26:17
Speaker 2: was a great experience. I have a great memory of it. Sona.
1:26:19
Speaker 2: I'm an Atlanta Falcons fans. I don't know how they decide.
1:26:23
Speaker 2: I don't know how it works, but Atlanta will be
1:26:25
Speaker 2: playing im Madrid. We have talked about all the teams
1:26:30
Speaker 2: tanking in the NBA and how the Wizards are among them.
1:26:34
Speaker 2: Even after the Trey Young acquisition, he has yet to play.
1:26:41
Speaker 2: He's expected to play on Thursday, but not before he
1:26:45
Speaker 2: got ejected from his first NBA game and a Wizard's Wait,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't in a wizard's uniform. He was on the
1:26:50
Speaker 2: bench in Street clo his first his first game, ejected
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Speaker 2: from a first time ejected from a game in street
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Speaker 2: in his career for the Washington Wizards. How about that,
1:27:03
Speaker 2: Well done, Trey Young getting ejected from a game before
1:27:06
Speaker 2: you've actually played a game for that franchise. I'm not
1:27:09
Speaker 2: saying that facetiously. I think that's actually awesome. Just set
1:27:13
Speaker 2: a tone. Yeah, we're like, Hey, I'm a Wizard for life.
1:27:16
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna yell about things that have happened to
1:27:20
Speaker 2: a team that I have yet to play for and
1:27:22
Speaker 2: that I asked to be I asked to be traded
1:27:25
Speaker 2: to Washington because because I like the city of Washington,
1:27:29
Speaker 2: d C. And I want to be a Wizard for life.
1:27:32
Speaker 2: I enjoy our nation's capital. I mets like. I love
1:27:35
Speaker 2: the National Mall. It's a great it's actually so sick
1:27:39
Speaker 2: if you have not made it. I haven't had a
1:27:40
Speaker 2: chance to yet, But you gotta go. It's on the list.
1:27:43
Speaker 2: You gotta like. You wait till you're your kid is
1:27:46
Speaker 2: a little older, probably, yeah, so he can at least
1:27:49
Speaker 2: wander around and enjoy. But it's like it lives up
1:27:53
Speaker 2: to the billin. Yeah, I've heard a lot of walking.
1:27:55
Speaker 2: I've heard just if you're into history and like really
1:28:00
Speaker 2: cool museums, there's not many better places like Washington, DC.
1:28:05
Speaker 2: If you're like me and you're incredibly cheap and you
1:28:06
Speaker 2: don't like to pay heavy admission prices to all those things.
1:28:10
Speaker 2: All your bases are covered. You can just walk in. Yeah,
1:28:14
Speaker 2: I love that. It's wonderful. The monuments are beautiful, large,
1:28:18
Speaker 2: expansive lawns, plenty of open space. It's really nice. And
1:28:22
Speaker 2: you can take in a Nationals game or something else
1:28:27
Speaker 2: while you're there if you want. Now, they don't have
1:28:32
Speaker 2: any sports teams I actually want to watch.
1:28:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:28:36
Speaker 2: The only reason to go to a to go to
1:28:39
Speaker 2: a game. If you're not a fan of one of
1:28:41
Speaker 2: those teams already is to do like the Major League
1:28:44
Speaker 2: Baseball fan thing, which is like I want to see
1:28:46
Speaker 2: every ballpark, so I'm gonna go to a Nationals game,
1:28:50
Speaker 2: but that that's kind of the only reason to do it,
1:28:53
Speaker 2: right for me? Yeah, ted Lasso fan, you're a ted
1:28:59
Speaker 2: Lasso fan.
1:29:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:29:02
Speaker 2: I thought it was a wonderful television series. Yeah. I
1:29:04
Speaker 2: guess they're doing like a movie.
1:29:06
Speaker 5: Is that right?
1:29:06
Speaker 2: Really, I haven't seen that. Believe Danny Rojas actually plays soccer.
1:29:14
Speaker 2: Football is life? Yes, Danni Rojas the character. I did
1:29:20
Speaker 2: not know until I saw this on the rundown that
1:29:22
Speaker 2: he was actually a soccer player. He played a knee
1:29:26
Speaker 2: injury actually took him out of like kind of the
1:29:31
Speaker 2: pipeline to be maybe a bona fide serious professional soccer player.
1:29:39
Speaker 2: He's trying out for He's playing for the El Pasel Locomotive.
1:29:47
Speaker 2: His real name is Crystal Balfernandez. He was born in
1:29:51
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, which shockingly makes him thirty five years
1:29:55
Speaker 2: old even being born in the nineties, and he's trying
1:29:58
Speaker 2: out for a USL team. He's playing for him. He
1:30:01
Speaker 2: played like thirty minutes for him the other night, and
1:30:06
Speaker 2: there's expected to be this week a decision on whether
1:30:09
Speaker 2: or not he's actually going to be a member of
1:30:12
Speaker 2: the team. For real Danny Rojas, the fictional character, is
1:30:17
Speaker 2: a real person who's actually decent at soccer. I believe
1:30:21
Speaker 2: El Paso's a USL team. That's right, they're the us
1:30:25
Speaker 2: They're playing against the New Mexico Unite MLS. He played
1:30:29
Speaker 2: thirty minutes against New Mexico United on Saturday and like
1:30:36
Speaker 2: you know, counted decently well for himself. I guess he was. Yeah,
1:30:42
Speaker 2: he was playing for his hometown team, Tacos Football Club,
1:30:46
Speaker 2: and he went into acting after he had a really
1:30:49
Speaker 2: serious knee injury at age fifteen. Season four of ted
1:30:54
Speaker 2: Lasso currently in the works, expected release this summer. He
1:30:58
Speaker 2: has not yet been confirmed as part of the cast,
1:31:01
Speaker 2: so the fate of Danny Rojas could be up in
1:31:04
Speaker 2: the air. Obviously, the more lucrative thing here would be
1:31:07
Speaker 2: for him to be Danny Rojas than to be himself
1:31:11
Speaker 2: playing for a USL team. What are you saying about?
1:31:13
Speaker 2: What are you saying about the USL? I'm just telling
1:31:16
Speaker 2: you that what are you saying about? Their? Al Monarchs
1:31:19
Speaker 2: being part of a massive hit television show is definitely
1:31:24
Speaker 2: better for your financial future than being in double A soccer?
1:31:29
Speaker 2: Did you know that soccer is the third most popular
1:31:32
Speaker 2: sport in America? Now, oh see, you're saying that, I
1:31:35
Speaker 2: don't know if you knew that Gallup poll. Here's what
1:31:38
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna look up average USL is
1:31:43
Speaker 2: a league salary. I'm not mistaken. Give me your give
1:31:48
Speaker 2: me your guests on the average USL salary. Well, let's
1:31:50
Speaker 2: see what's the salary for Ted Lasso? Oh yeah, than that?
1:31:56
Speaker 2: Just give me give me a g I guess for
1:31:59
Speaker 2: thirty five thousand, thirty to forty five thousand dollars annually.
1:32:03
Speaker 2: Great guess, James, give yourself some James Peterson willis so
1:32:07
Speaker 2: he's only making twenty five grand a year for being
1:32:10
Speaker 2: Danny Rojas, with veterans offering often earning around five thousand
1:32:13
Speaker 2: dollars per month. All right, the league is moving toward
1:32:17
Speaker 2: a fifty five thousand dollars minimum salary for a top
1:32:21
Speaker 2: tier USL League one salaries. It's because of that Gallup
1:32:27
Speaker 2: poll we're now USL is now the third most popular
1:32:30
Speaker 2: sports league in America. Look, I'm not disparaging developmental leagues.
1:32:36
Speaker 2: If you're a USL player, or you're like Chase the
1:32:39
Speaker 2: professional athletics dream as hard and as long as you can.
1:32:44
Speaker 2: It is a beautiful thing to play a game and
1:32:46
Speaker 2: be paid for it, even if you're hardly making a
1:32:49
Speaker 2: dang dime. Like to avoid the corporate doldrums that everyone
1:32:54
Speaker 2: else has to push themselves through and chase your dream.
1:32:57
Speaker 2: Absolutely go for it. I actually love mister Deville mental
1:33:00
Speaker 2: League on the show here. I love this for Danny Rojas. Yeah,
1:33:04
Speaker 2: for the Danny Rohass actor because okay, so you see
1:33:07
Speaker 2: this occasionally in college sports. I don't think Utah has
1:33:11
Speaker 2: had one of these guys where someone eight seven seven
1:33:15
Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred, correct me if I'm wrong.
1:33:17
Speaker 2: I don't think we've had one of these guys. That's
1:33:19
Speaker 2: usually in the South, usually in places where there's a
1:33:23
Speaker 2: large military bases. Honestly, well, you'll have a guy who
1:33:28
Speaker 2: signs up for the Marines, the army, whatever, when he's
1:33:31
Speaker 2: seventeen or eighteen years old, and he puts in his
1:33:35
Speaker 2: full his full go right. He goes at full twenty
1:33:38
Speaker 2: years and then he retires from the military and almost
1:33:44
Speaker 2: invariably is in phenomenal shape for someone who's in their
1:33:47
Speaker 2: late thirties early forties, and then that person walks on.
1:33:52
Speaker 2: I think South Carolina had one. I know Alabama State
1:33:55
Speaker 2: has had one of the like you get every other year.
1:33:58
Speaker 2: It seems like one of these individuals, right, And I
1:34:02
Speaker 2: think some sports fans laugh at it a little bit.
1:34:06
Speaker 2: I do not, even though I fully acknowledge that these
1:34:10
Speaker 2: guys are not going to be elite level players. There
1:34:15
Speaker 2: is something that should be encouraged about chasing a dream,
1:34:19
Speaker 2: whether it makes sense or not. Well, how about the
1:34:24
Speaker 2: Minneapolis the Minnesota guy who's a lawyer who got to
1:34:29
Speaker 2: throw a stone on the US curling team fifty four
1:34:32
Speaker 2: years old. Yeah, like, that's oldest Olympian ever. That's that's
1:34:36
Speaker 2: not anyth gonna laugh at, even though he was an
1:34:38
Speaker 2: alternate and he only got in because the result was
1:34:42
Speaker 2: the result was not in doubt anymore. They're like, we're
1:34:44
Speaker 2: gonna give you this chance to check off this dream
1:34:48
Speaker 2: of this this uh, this thing on your bucket list,
1:34:51
Speaker 2: this big dream of yours to actually have competed in
1:34:54
Speaker 2: an Olympics. However technical it is that this guy competed
1:34:58
Speaker 2: in the Olympics. It's the same same kind of thing
1:35:01
Speaker 2: for these guys that are like the guys you mentioned
1:35:05
Speaker 2: in college football, the actor who plays Danny Rojas in
1:35:10
Speaker 2: lower developmental league in soccer getting a chance to try out, Like,
1:35:15
Speaker 2: good for them, Yeah, do it. The emergency goalies that
1:35:20
Speaker 2: exist for every single NHL game that you never hear
1:35:23
Speaker 2: about except when some freak cappenstance makes them get called
1:35:26
Speaker 2: into service. According to uh Google, the last time an
1:35:33
Speaker 2: emergency goalkeeper was used in an NHL game was February
1:35:38
Speaker 2: twenty second, twenty twenty. Wow, what a time that was.
1:35:44
Speaker 2: You had heard the word COVID, but it had not
1:35:45
Speaker 2: yet shut down the world, right February twenty second, twenty
1:35:49
Speaker 2: twenty two weeks away from that. It was like right
1:35:52
Speaker 2: after that. So oh see, I was still doing Sports
1:35:56
Speaker 2: Saturday at that time, and I said into that microphone
1:36:00
Speaker 2: that you're talking into a week before Rudy Gobert test
1:36:04
Speaker 2: positive and the world shuts down, the nation shuts down.
1:36:10
Speaker 2: I said, the news broke that Nclway tournament is considering
1:36:17
Speaker 2: playing without fans in the building, and I said, Wow,
1:36:20
Speaker 2: that'd be crazy, No way, I think that's happening. That'd
1:36:24
Speaker 2: be crazy. A week later, no Nclbway tournament at all.
1:36:28
Speaker 2: So yeah, they crazy times, very odd times. The last time, yeah,
1:36:38
Speaker 2: this is disputed. By the way, there is the Anaheim
1:36:41
Speaker 2: Ducks say that Tom Hodges dressed and went into the
1:36:43
Speaker 2: game for a couple seconds for them in twenty twenty two,
1:36:48
Speaker 2: But David Ayres played for the Carolina Hurricanes against the
1:36:51
Speaker 2: Toronto Maple Leafs got it in the second period. He
1:36:54
Speaker 2: allowed two goals, he made eight saves, and his team,
1:36:58
Speaker 2: the Carolina Hurricanes in this case, earned a six' to three.
1:37:01
Speaker 2: Win i'm sure that there's been a time When David
1:37:06
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1:37:08
Speaker 2: are you. Doing you're forty two and you're a zamboni.
1:37:11
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1:37:16
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1:37:20
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1:37:23
Speaker 2: but he's a successful. Actor and he's, like you know,
1:37:25
Speaker 2: WHAT i still want to play. Soccer i'll go To
1:37:27
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1:37:31
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1:37:35
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1:37:43
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1:37:46
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1:37:50
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1:37:55
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1:40:27
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1:40:29
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1:40:32
Speaker 7: best work we ever did was during THE covid year
1:40:34
Speaker 7: because we had nothing to talk about for seven months
1:40:37
Speaker 7: and we were on nearly every. Day.
1:40:39
Speaker 2: Still it was, incredible just contact tracing and go over
1:40:46
Speaker 2: like and the local health officials canceling every damn game
1:40:49
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1:40:52
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1:41:00
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1:41:03
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1:41:11
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1:41:17
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1:41:21
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1:41:28
Speaker 2: they're just, like, OH i should get these cool custom
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1:41:35
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1:41:38
Speaker 2: that used to be like one thousand dollars a pair at.
1:41:41
Speaker 2: Ross now it's. Amazing what really what that time did
1:41:45
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1:41:50
Speaker 7: WILD i heard Like sketchers are, back THOUGH i heard
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Speaker 7: some SHOES i made a. Return NO i.
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Speaker 2: DON'T i don't know That sketchers sponsors any of our
1:41:59
Speaker 2: radio stations here in the. Group BUT i have, never, will,
1:42:03
Speaker 2: never could never purchase A sketcher's, anything not even for my,
1:42:09
Speaker 2: children certainly not for my. Wife And i'd rather go. Barefoot,
1:42:13
Speaker 2: no can't be.
1:42:15
Speaker 7: Done. Interesting, YEAH i, mean YOU'RE i know you're an
1:42:18
Speaker 7: elitist like, that but okay.
1:42:20
Speaker 2: With, FOOTWEAR i try to be all, right let's talk
1:42:22
Speaker 2: about the scouting. COMBINE i know that you were loving
1:42:25
Speaker 2: the big. Men nine guys at THE nfl scouting combine
1:42:29
Speaker 2: went under five flat that are supposed to be offensive
1:42:33
Speaker 2: lineman next. YEAR i don't know if that's any kind of,
1:42:35
Speaker 2: record BUT i mean we're all talking about three hundred
1:42:39
Speaker 2: plus pound. Dudes, yeah running faster than most of the
1:42:42
Speaker 2: people that we.
1:42:42
Speaker 3: Know.
1:42:43
Speaker 7: Yeah, look obviously the ten you, know tends to matter
1:42:46
Speaker 7: a little bit, more, right because that's the explosive part
1:42:48
Speaker 7: of our, Game and so does the broad jump in the.
1:42:51
Speaker 7: Vertical and you were talking about my combine it was.
1:42:54
Speaker 7: ATROCIOUS i MEAN i had a one percent, vertical, right
1:42:56
Speaker 7: like the reason and PEOPLE i tweet that, out, people you, know,
1:42:59
Speaker 7: say how do You why does it? Matter? Well it
1:43:02
Speaker 7: matters because you, know the combine is important because there
1:43:08
Speaker 7: are benchmarks for success with some of the, numbers, Right
1:43:12
Speaker 7: so you, know if you're at a certain number that you,
1:43:15
Speaker 7: know this is A these are numbers with the height
1:43:17
Speaker 7: and weight of players that had success over their, lifetime,
1:43:20
Speaker 7: right and and you can use that as a. Baseline, okay,
1:43:24
Speaker 7: well these are the numbers that that have worked in the.
1:43:27
Speaker 7: Past if we go outside that those you, know is
1:43:30
Speaker 7: that guy an? Outlier? Now how do we square, that
1:43:33
Speaker 7: and so that's why the numbers are, important, Right it's
1:43:35
Speaker 7: why we we like to get. Them it doesn't mean
1:43:37
Speaker 7: someone's going to be. Good but my BROTHER i like
1:43:40
Speaker 7: using THE ras. Scores i've you've seen those, before write
1:43:42
Speaker 7: The roads Of athletics scores that are put out, there
1:43:44
Speaker 7: and there's a combination of you, know just sort of
1:43:46
Speaker 7: putting everything, together, height, weight all the. Numbers you, know
1:43:50
Speaker 7: ten is the, best, right and there were some players
1:43:52
Speaker 7: that had nine point. Nine so there was a tight
1:43:54
Speaker 7: end On stanford who was like the most like tight
1:43:55
Speaker 7: end of all time in this. Combine i'm sure there
1:43:57
Speaker 7: are offensive lineman there were in the nine point five, area,
1:44:00
Speaker 7: right like really. Outstanding my brother was a two point three, Sean,
1:44:05
Speaker 7: YES i was a. FIVE i was in the, fives like.
1:44:08
Speaker 7: It and so the numbers, Matter but so does you,
1:44:14
Speaker 7: know can you play football right? Now for those who
1:44:16
Speaker 7: might my brother was played nine YEARS, nfl was a
1:44:18
Speaker 7: four Time All pro and won A Super bowl with The.
1:44:21
Speaker 7: Chiefs obviously the numbers for him didn't matter at. All,
1:44:24
Speaker 7: Right so this is what it's, about, Right it's about
1:44:26
Speaker 7: finding a. Baseline, okay what do we know about this
1:44:29
Speaker 7: player based off their? Film does their testing live up
1:44:33
Speaker 7: to their? Film that's the first, question, Right if it,
1:44:36
Speaker 7: does it's just a check. Mark, okay good Check now
1:44:38
Speaker 7: we see, okay well it's a shuttle, time is it
1:44:40
Speaker 7: like in that range of, like, wow these guys who
1:44:42
Speaker 7: have the shuttle time typically are really really good in THE.
1:44:45
Speaker 7: Nfl and then so that's how to ME i evaluate all, This,
1:44:48
Speaker 7: Right so these guys are running, FAST a lot of
1:44:50
Speaker 7: them are already at good, athletes, right so it's not a.
1:44:53
Speaker 7: Surprise and, look these guys if they're not in a
1:44:55
Speaker 7: bowl game or they're not you, know they leave their
1:44:57
Speaker 7: their their. TEAM i mean they're working on forties now
1:45:00
Speaker 7: now for three, months you, Know LIKE i, SAID i
1:45:02
Speaker 7: don't Really so to, me it's not really about the.
1:45:05
Speaker 7: Time it's just like just this. Player you, know if
1:45:07
Speaker 7: you're if you're athletic on the, field you show your
1:45:09
Speaker 7: athleticism when it comes time at the combine and or
1:45:13
Speaker 7: if you're not an, athlete do not show, that, Right
1:45:16
Speaker 7: and so that that's what it is to. Me AND
1:45:19
Speaker 7: i think for, most for the most part and most
1:45:20
Speaker 7: offensive linemen did do what they had to. Do so
1:45:22
Speaker 7: a couple of guys were a little sloppy in the. Drills,
1:45:25
Speaker 7: again the drills you're prepared, for so you. SHOULDN'T i
1:45:28
Speaker 7: would prefer you weren't to sloppy in those. Drills but you,
1:45:31
Speaker 7: know that's that's what it. Is it's it's a tough
1:45:33
Speaker 7: assignment to be there for a couple of days in
1:45:36
Speaker 7: that atmosphere when you know your job is on the line,
1:45:38
Speaker 7: essentially right you're interviewing for a, job and then all
1:45:40
Speaker 7: of a, Sudden, hey go work out for us in
1:45:42
Speaker 7: sort of this, cold, sterile boring.
1:45:44
Speaker 2: STADIUM i want to talk about the tackles in this draft,
1:45:48
Speaker 2: specifically and how the mock drafts are kind of like
1:45:51
Speaker 2: they're sorting them right. Now, so So Spencer fano came
1:45:56
Speaker 2: into the day appearing as like either the number one
1:45:58
Speaker 2: or number two tackle off the boards in pretty much
1:46:02
Speaker 2: every mock THAT i. Saw and then The freeland guy.
1:46:06
Speaker 7: Was his, Name, yeah The georgia.
1:46:08
Speaker 2: Kid, yeah The georgia kid then like inserted himself in
1:46:11
Speaker 2: there for a lot of people above. Funnel even Though
1:46:14
Speaker 2: spencer had an excellent, combine a remarkable combine was the
1:46:19
Speaker 2: most that he was the highest graded athlete among all offensive,
1:46:22
Speaker 2: linemen with all offensive tackles at the combine and yet
1:46:26
Speaker 2: still AND i know they're only mock drafts and that's
1:46:28
Speaker 2: not what matters. Here but then the conversation somehow changes
1:46:32
Speaker 2: And Francis, mowingoa who didn't even he just measured and.
1:46:35
Speaker 2: Interviewed he didn't run any of the, drills run any
1:46:38
Speaker 2: of the timed. Events he seems to have somehow elevated
1:46:43
Speaker 2: himself as. Well and it's a head scratcher For spencer's
1:46:47
Speaker 2: gonna be, fine Like Caleb blowan was going to be.
1:46:49
Speaker 2: Fine they're both gonna HAVE i, think long successful. Careers
1:46:52
Speaker 2: but just the way that the offensive line conversation has
1:46:56
Speaker 2: developed in the last, week week and a, half you're
1:46:59
Speaker 2: a lot closer to it the AND i.
1:47:00
Speaker 7: Am, LOOK i think a couple of things we've known
1:47:04
Speaker 7: About Spencer fauno for years, now, right and so there's
1:47:09
Speaker 7: a familiarity with a player like THAT i think gets
1:47:12
Speaker 7: overlooked at times when it comes to, discussions. Right and
1:47:15
Speaker 7: so you've got, to, like you Know freeling From, georgia
1:47:17
Speaker 7: who you knows tape is, inconsistent there's a lot of
1:47:19
Speaker 7: the light, there but you look at him run his,
1:47:21
Speaker 7: Size you're like this guy prototypical everything, right and you
1:47:25
Speaker 7: so then you maybe ignore some of the film and
1:47:27
Speaker 7: things right because you know he's fresh in your mind
1:47:29
Speaker 7: if for having good, work like we know What spencer's
1:47:32
Speaker 7: gonna BE i think in THE, nfl and SO i
1:47:33
Speaker 7: think there's some comfort in, that AND i think it's
1:47:35
Speaker 7: sometimes that that leads to. YOU i have a mock
1:47:39
Speaker 7: draft due tomorrow For Fox. SPORTS i was gonna put you,
1:47:42
Speaker 7: know freelingk not ask me six to The, browns AND
1:47:45
Speaker 7: i was talking About Buddy Brandon. Thorne he's got one
1:47:47
Speaker 7: out For Bleacher, report And brandon's really one of the
1:47:50
Speaker 7: better minds on the offensive. Line he still Has fano
1:47:53
Speaker 7: going six, overall and we're talking about, it and it's
1:47:56
Speaker 7: like this sort of WHAT i, mentioned Like FANO i
1:47:58
Speaker 7: think comes in and to known quantity immediately, right And
1:48:02
Speaker 7: freeling just he may be, great but he also might
1:48:05
Speaker 7: not be. Right and that's a thing more discussion is
1:48:08
Speaker 7: right now as you look at guy like like that
1:48:10
Speaker 7: and you, say, okay well you get free like, height, weight,
1:48:13
Speaker 7: athleticism some of the tape. Pops he probably profiles more
1:48:18
Speaker 7: as a long term like this is what it looks
1:48:21
Speaker 7: like as an all pro Offensive. Lineman. Right i'm not
1:48:23
Speaker 7: saying it's gonna, be but that's what looks like for
1:48:26
Speaker 7: no size is not typically of that of that type of, player, Right.
1:48:30
Speaker 7: Sean so this is this is the draft, complex, right
1:48:35
Speaker 7: this is what we convince ourselves of because we have
1:48:37
Speaker 7: so much time to think about these. THINGS i think
1:48:39
Speaker 7: that's why we're seeing The georgia kid pop up a little.
1:48:41
Speaker 7: Bit as far as you, Know francis On. Miami look,
1:48:45
Speaker 7: it he's, GONNA i, think end up a guard in THE,
1:48:48
Speaker 7: nfl and he's probably be a pretty good guard in THE.
1:48:51
Speaker 7: Nfl and that's WHAT i debate like right, now where
1:48:54
Speaker 7: if you're like The giants for, example and people have
1:48:56
Speaker 7: him mocked The giants at, five because you look at
1:48:58
Speaker 7: what The giants need and it probably not running. Back
1:49:00
Speaker 7: they have obviously a really good defensive line room right
1:49:03
Speaker 7: now that they're probably going off it's ave line needs some.
1:49:05
Speaker 7: Help it offens line don't need a left tackle, Though
1:49:07
Speaker 7: and the question is if you Take francis, there well
1:49:11
Speaker 7: is he moving taking a guard five or tackle at?
1:49:13
Speaker 3: Five?
1:49:14
Speaker 7: RIGHT i mean to, me you know they if you
1:49:16
Speaker 7: want to, tackle you probably would Take. Spencer but if
1:49:20
Speaker 7: you want a, guard you probably Take francis. Right so
1:49:22
Speaker 7: these are these think these are all the reasons why
1:49:25
Speaker 7: he's not a High but Again i'll tell you The
1:49:26
Speaker 7: bleacher report one today had him going you, know you,
1:49:29
Speaker 7: know six to the. Brown so there are people out
1:49:32
Speaker 7: there that still believe In fino going very. High and
1:49:35
Speaker 7: there are guys Like Nate tice who Have lomu ahead of, him, Right,
1:49:37
Speaker 7: like it just depends on which guys you like to
1:49:39
Speaker 7: look at for some of the mock.
1:49:40
Speaker 2: Drafts what do you make of the report that some
1:49:44
Speaker 2: teams Had, spencer you, know doing center.
1:49:48
Speaker 7: Drills, yes, yeah, LOOK i think that there's a so
1:49:53
Speaker 7: there's a new thing in THE. NFL i don't know
1:49:56
Speaker 7: what news the right. Word but there's a philosophy when
1:49:59
Speaker 7: it comes to offensive line now where you, know when
1:50:02
Speaker 7: we Were, sean when we were sort of watching football
1:50:05
Speaker 7: and playing, football you just sort of put like your
1:50:08
Speaker 7: best offensive linemen at left tackle right and then you you,
1:50:12
Speaker 7: know and then you just try to put your next
1:50:13
Speaker 7: best maybe at right, tackle and then you find a good,
1:50:15
Speaker 7: center you found a couple of. Guards you just sort
1:50:18
Speaker 7: of made it. Work right, now the philosophy is turned
1:50:22
Speaker 7: into let's just get the five best, guys and we'll
1:50:25
Speaker 7: put them in different. Positions well you know which one
1:50:27
Speaker 7: of our five, best, Right and so now that's what
1:50:31
Speaker 7: teams so if you can play, center because you a
1:50:35
Speaker 7: lot of options right to put your five best on the. Field, Right,
1:50:38
Speaker 7: like let's say you are The, Chargers, Okay Charge gray, Example. Chargers,
1:50:43
Speaker 7: right they have two tackles are coming back off injury
1:50:45
Speaker 7: that are really, good and they need to center in
1:50:48
Speaker 7: the worst way if they miss on On, linderbaum who
1:50:51
Speaker 7: potentially stay with The, ravens, like they need to center
1:50:52
Speaker 7: in the. Worst so the center last year was the
1:50:54
Speaker 7: WORDS nfl what if you no could plays center for? Them,
1:50:57
Speaker 7: Now i'm sure you would like him to be drafted much,
1:50:58
Speaker 7: higher BUT i, mean like so that that just gives, options,
1:51:02
Speaker 7: right it gives you options in THE, Nfl and that's
1:51:06
Speaker 7: why they did. IT i think that's why his size
1:51:08
Speaker 7: and we've seen guys sort of of his size that
1:51:10
Speaker 7: play tackle that they sort of have gone in the.
1:51:12
Speaker 7: Center AND i think it's a smart JUST i don't
1:51:17
Speaker 7: think he's a play out in THE, nfl but just
1:51:19
Speaker 7: to let teams know you can do, it, RIGHT i
1:51:21
Speaker 7: can do, it. Guys SO i wasn't surprised to see,
1:51:23
Speaker 7: that and that means seems a. THOUGHT i think teams
1:51:25
Speaker 7: have thought about WHAT i just. Said it's, like, well
1:51:26
Speaker 7: we have a couple of good, tackles but we really
1:51:29
Speaker 7: want our five, best and if he's one of the five,
1:51:30
Speaker 7: best let's go on the field.
1:51:32
Speaker 2: Somewhere Jeff schwartz is our guests here on the Show
1:51:35
Speaker 2: Connoll schotalk and All Things. Football right, now THE Nfl
1:51:38
Speaker 2: draft combine coming. Up we're thirty seven minutes away from
1:51:44
Speaker 2: franchise tag, deadline and you, know like looks Like Kenneth
1:51:48
Speaker 2: walker will not Be AND i don't know how players
1:51:55
Speaker 2: and locker rooms handled the franchise tag because obviously it's
1:51:59
Speaker 2: a big one year's, salary but it seems, like depending
1:52:02
Speaker 2: on what age you are in your, career you don't
1:52:04
Speaker 2: want it if you're a player that is looking for
1:52:07
Speaker 2: more long term. Security so how should we be viewing
1:52:10
Speaker 2: these franchise tags that are or are not being exercised by.
1:52:13
Speaker 7: Teams and let's Say Trey hendrickson is not going to
1:52:15
Speaker 7: be tagged by the way The bengals pass, RUSHER I
1:52:19
Speaker 7: i think that no one actually likes, it player and,
1:52:24
Speaker 7: team and the reason why you, know for the, player
1:52:27
Speaker 7: obviously you want you want that long term, security, right
1:52:29
Speaker 7: you want that long term. Contract didn't look tags a
1:52:31
Speaker 7: lot of, money right for some, guys if you, KNOW
1:52:34
Speaker 7: i think last Year Trey smith before he got, paid you,
1:52:37
Speaker 7: know or maybe you, know he was gonna look at
1:52:39
Speaker 7: it like twenty million dollars a year and he was
1:52:41
Speaker 7: a sixth round pick like. That that was five times
1:52:43
Speaker 7: when he had made in THE nfl so. Far so
1:52:45
Speaker 7: he that's like signed up for. That he signed his
1:52:46
Speaker 7: tag the first day he, could said me for. THAT
1:52:49
Speaker 7: a lot of you, know guys that want long term,
1:52:51
Speaker 7: deals and there are first round, picks they don't want.
1:52:53
Speaker 7: Tags they want that, security. RIGHT i don't think teams
1:52:56
Speaker 7: like it, Either, sean because it makes the players way more.
1:52:58
Speaker 7: Expensive you cannot push any tag money to a different,
1:53:02
Speaker 7: year right when you sign a. Contract you can push
1:53:04
Speaker 7: them with that money to different parts of their. Contract
1:53:07
Speaker 7: you can't add avoid. Years it's a full one hundred cap.
1:53:11
Speaker 7: Number and teams don't want, that. Right they want to
1:53:15
Speaker 7: be able to plan out years and years in. Advance
1:53:17
Speaker 7: and if you have a guy on a one year,
1:53:19
Speaker 7: deal you know you can't plan out longer than one
1:53:22
Speaker 7: year for that. Guy SO i don't think anyone likes. It,
1:53:24
Speaker 7: obviously it's a tool that that's available to use because you,
1:53:28
Speaker 7: know THE cba allows, it AND i don't think we're
1:53:31
Speaker 7: gonna get rid of. It why would you know a
1:53:34
Speaker 7: bargain for something that affects five five players a. YEAR
1:53:37
Speaker 7: i don't think we're going to do. That but ACTUALLY
1:53:39
Speaker 7: i don't think teams like it. EITHER i, KNOW i
1:53:41
Speaker 7: know people think that's kind of all WHEN i say,
1:53:42
Speaker 7: that but you know they. Don't they want these guys
1:53:44
Speaker 7: sign long. Term. Man they want to get their their
1:53:47
Speaker 7: their cap and in order they want to have projections
1:53:49
Speaker 7: for years and years to. Come they want to know
1:53:51
Speaker 7: they were to lie on these certain. Players so in the,
1:53:54
Speaker 7: end it is what it. IS i don't think teams
1:53:57
Speaker 7: are players like it very. Much.
1:54:00
Speaker 2: Uh it looks Like Drew dollman is. RETIRING i saw.
1:54:03
Speaker 7: That, yeah. Shocking do you like him as a, Player,
1:54:07
Speaker 7: yeah he's really he's. Good he really solified The bears
1:54:09
Speaker 7: offense line last year was much much. Better they went
1:54:11
Speaker 7: and made those trades rather shocking. RETIREMENTS i don't, know
1:54:15
Speaker 7: you know his injury. Status maybe there's a neck. Injury
1:54:18
Speaker 7: we don't know about a head injury we don't know.
1:54:19
Speaker 7: ABOUT i mean that obviously affects a lot of these
1:54:21
Speaker 7: guys and we don't know those, things so they. Retire
1:54:23
Speaker 7: but for the he's only twenty, seven right the year he,
1:54:26
Speaker 7: had you know coming off, uh you, know the year
1:54:28
Speaker 7: The bears just had and the excitement in that building
1:54:31
Speaker 7: With Ben johnson that that was rather. Surprising so h
1:54:34
Speaker 7: But i'll tell you what. Meant you, KNOW nfl is
1:54:37
Speaker 7: hard to, play just like any pro, sport and if
1:54:40
Speaker 7: you're not into one hundred, percent don't do. It and
1:54:42
Speaker 7: SO i give these guys. Credit man that they. Retire you,
1:54:44
Speaker 7: know they they're, done they're over it and just move.
1:54:47
Speaker 7: On SO I I i appreciate what guys can.
1:54:49
Speaker 2: Do this twenty seven years old by the, way and
1:54:52
Speaker 2: retiring after he's super. Young he had just signed a three,
1:54:56
Speaker 2: year forty two million dollar contract during the last all off.
1:55:00
Speaker 2: SEASON i don't know how much of that he actually,
1:55:01
Speaker 2: got but so.
1:55:02
Speaker 7: Have to give you might have to give some money
1:55:03
Speaker 7: back if it's not if it's not a medical thing.
1:55:05
Speaker 7: Too like that's when you retire, early you, know you
1:55:08
Speaker 7: have money back often because the pro rated bonus and.
1:55:11
Speaker 7: Whatnot that parts.
1:55:13
Speaker 2: Cares actually he's A stanford. Gun maybe he'll go be
1:55:16
Speaker 2: A pokemon card dealer with uh with? This what was
1:55:19
Speaker 2: That Blake martinez the linebacker.
1:55:21
Speaker 7: Who Has pokemon?
1:55:22
Speaker 2: Cards Blake, martinez the former. Linebacker oh is he A
1:55:25
Speaker 2: stanford guy?
1:55:26
Speaker 3: Too?
1:55:26
Speaker 2: Yeah as you know that.
1:55:28
Speaker 7: Conference, Champions, yeah in THE. Acc, NOW i don't.
1:55:32
Speaker 2: KNOW i wonder how. THAT i wonder how that industry
1:55:34
Speaker 2: is doing POST covid. Shutdowns, Pokemon, yeah seems like they're
1:55:39
Speaker 2: killing it.
1:55:40
Speaker 7: STILL i sure if you say, so my son might.
1:55:44
Speaker 7: KNOW i think he's he's more in the cards THAN i.
1:55:46
Speaker 2: Am james just pointed, Out, yeah The pokemon was the
1:55:50
Speaker 2: sponsor of The. Olympics, oh, Man i'll tell you.
1:55:55
Speaker 7: What it was a lot of. Fun eight Am. Olympics,
1:55:57
Speaker 7: man how much fun was?
1:55:58
Speaker 3: That?
1:56:00
Speaker 2: Amazing it was.
1:56:01
Speaker 7: GREAT i, mean for you is six which is a,
1:56:03
Speaker 7: weird your time zone is, weird but everyone else it.
1:56:05
Speaker 2: Was it was. Awesome for is there is there anyone
1:56:09
Speaker 2: in that you watched in this combine or that you're
1:56:11
Speaker 2: excited as we go through this drafts process that you
1:56:15
Speaker 2: think is just like he's your. Sleeper this guy is
1:56:17
Speaker 2: going to be a GREAT nfl. Player and maybe he
1:56:20
Speaker 2: isn't being talked, about or even if they, ARE.
1:56:22
Speaker 7: I don't know IF i have a sleeper quite. Yet you,
1:56:24
Speaker 7: know it's My it's interesting because you, know not many
1:56:29
Speaker 7: people DO nfl LIKE i COVER nfl LIKE i, do
1:56:33
Speaker 7: and then also cover college football AND.
1:56:37
Speaker 3: I.
1:56:37
Speaker 7: DON'T i JUST i don't have time to study like
1:56:41
Speaker 7: all seven rounds of the. DRAFT i just, LIKE i
1:56:43
Speaker 7: JUST i just don't AND i used to WHEN i
1:56:46
Speaker 7: but it is, hard, man so it's hard to be
1:56:47
Speaker 7: LIKE i. Am i'm prepped on like the first like
1:56:49
Speaker 7: forty guys in the. DRAFT i don't. Think my work
1:56:51
Speaker 7: also doesn't require me to know much more than that
1:56:53
Speaker 7: for WHAT i do, Anyways SO i don't have like
1:56:56
Speaker 7: A i used to have a tyson plus when we,
1:56:58
Speaker 7: covered like you know that it was easier when you
1:57:00
Speaker 7: covered on THE pac twelve every, day, right like you,
1:57:02
Speaker 7: know you had sort of a couple of guys you
1:57:04
Speaker 7: you watch and you watched all season. Long but, no
1:57:07
Speaker 7: no one comes to mind at the moment of guys
1:57:10
Speaker 7: that are like super sleepers right. NOW i, MEAN i
1:57:12
Speaker 7: think a couple of guys that you, know the north
1:57:13
Speaker 7: is The northwestate quarterback that people seem to like is
1:57:16
Speaker 7: a lefty that he had a, great great combine that
1:57:19
Speaker 7: was mentioned to me a couple of weeks ago as
1:57:20
Speaker 7: sort of a watch. Out could be a sort of
1:57:22
Speaker 7: a first round. Pick the type of player weird quarterback
1:57:25
Speaker 7: here With Ty simpson probably is the other first round. Pick,
1:57:28
Speaker 7: so you, know a couple of guys like that sort
1:57:30
Speaker 7: of pop up on the radar every now and. THEN
1:57:31
Speaker 7: i DON'T i don't have great ones for you for you,
1:57:33
Speaker 7: yet BUT i just WISH i had more time to
1:57:35
Speaker 7: watch some of the the way the round GUYS i
1:57:37
Speaker 7: haven't done it.
1:57:38
Speaker 2: Yet Is Caleb fanel going to be a Top Caleb?
1:57:41
Speaker 3: Lomo?
1:57:41
Speaker 2: Caleb Is Caleb lomo going to be a top forty?
1:57:44
Speaker 5: Guy?
1:57:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, Again DANDRUM i put out a. TWEET i feel.
1:57:50
Speaker 7: This we see this tweet every every. Year there's only
1:57:51
Speaker 7: seven GUYS i would take in the first. Round it's
1:57:53
Speaker 7: off the t. Line but, UH i feel that you
1:57:56
Speaker 7: just written to that. Two BUT i think that he's
1:57:57
Speaker 7: one of those guys that look at the end of
1:57:59
Speaker 7: the first, ROUND i think even maybe. Earlier you, know
1:58:01
Speaker 7: there's there's a lot of CHOICES i think for. Him
1:58:04
Speaker 7: this draft is interesting because there's really you, know there's
1:58:07
Speaker 7: a couple super premium, players right you look At mendoza
1:58:11
Speaker 7: and The Ohio state The state, players both guys on,
1:58:14
Speaker 7: Defense Tate Love Bane, bailey you know those are probably like.
1:58:22
Speaker 7: That that's, it, Man and so you have a lot
1:58:25
Speaker 7: of a lot of choices in this. Draft would be
1:58:29
Speaker 7: a lot of teams are drafting guys that maybe you
1:58:31
Speaker 7: didn't think they were gonna, draft or they you know
1:58:33
Speaker 7: you have your eye, on because they're gonna look at
1:58:35
Speaker 7: their draft board and there'll be grades all over the.
1:58:38
Speaker 7: Place right, one teams that have a high second guy,
1:58:41
Speaker 7: one guys have a low first on a guy like
1:58:43
Speaker 7: it's just gonna be WHAT i think to, me that to.
1:58:45
Speaker 7: Be you, know that type of. Draft SO i certainly
1:58:48
Speaker 7: think he'll be up there because of maybe the lack
1:58:50
Speaker 7: of total tackles in this, draft but it won't surprise
1:58:54
Speaker 7: me if he went twelve or twenty. Seven that's the
1:58:58
Speaker 7: type of. Draft it feels.
1:58:59
Speaker 2: Like thing BEFORE i let you, go did you ever
1:59:02
Speaker 2: notice in actual game play when a guy had particularly
1:59:07
Speaker 2: long arms or short arms when you were trying to block.
1:59:09
Speaker 7: HIM i, Mean I'm i'll tell my head, no But
1:59:14
Speaker 7: i'm SURE i absolutely felt that in a. Game, sure,
1:59:16
Speaker 7: yes you can tell a. Difference that's the reason why
1:59:19
Speaker 7: people care about.
1:59:20
Speaker 2: It if You're Reuben, bain does your arm length actually?
1:59:25
Speaker 7: Matter it's hard to say that it doesn't. Matter but
1:59:33
Speaker 7: he's overcome that because of his style of, play, right his,
1:59:37
Speaker 7: explosiveness his, strength his ability to bend his. Agily BUT i,
1:59:42
Speaker 7: mean if you are going Against Lane johnson who has,
1:59:46
Speaker 7: like you, know arms down to his knees or you, know,
1:59:49
Speaker 7: like it's a problem if you can't get if you
1:59:52
Speaker 7: can't get By, lane what are you going to do
1:59:53
Speaker 7: to him if you can't get in his chest before
1:59:55
Speaker 7: he gets in your. Chest that's why arm length. Matters but,
1:59:58
Speaker 7: again if if you're quick, enough if you can overcome,
2:00:02
Speaker 7: it you, KNOW i, mean it's not a. Problem but
2:00:04
Speaker 7: you're running some guys and you're just gonna be, LIKE
2:00:06
Speaker 7: i just can't get by this, guy and that's what
2:00:09
Speaker 7: arms are an. Issue but his film hasn't shown that
2:00:12
Speaker 7: to be that big of a, problem SO I i to,
2:00:14
Speaker 7: me it would not worry, me, unless of, course Again
2:00:17
Speaker 7: i'd go back to the historical comp. Thing, Right historically,
2:00:21
Speaker 7: speaking his arms would be the shortest of anyone to
2:00:25
Speaker 7: ever have a great career at that. Position, like that's the, thing,
2:00:28
Speaker 7: Right so if you are a team that subscribes the
2:00:30
Speaker 7: idea that we have to draft guys to sort of
2:00:32
Speaker 7: fit into this athletic profile because we have fifty years
2:00:36
Speaker 7: of data on these, guys you would have to really
2:00:39
Speaker 7: take a risk on drafting a guy Like, bay you,
2:00:42
Speaker 7: know Like bane if he doesn't fit the athletic. PROFILE
2:00:44
Speaker 7: i mean, again he would be the first of a
2:00:47
Speaker 7: guy of his arm length and his size to be.
2:00:50
Speaker 7: Good that's A, again that's a pretty tough ask if
2:00:54
Speaker 7: you're in that draft room and you've the eighth pick,
2:00:56
Speaker 7: overall and you're, like do we take the guy that
2:00:58
Speaker 7: would be the outlier because we think he's got good
2:01:00
Speaker 7: or do we take a more known commodity at that
2:01:02
Speaker 7: position or someone? Else like those are real discussions that
2:01:05
Speaker 7: that gms, have AND i think they're fair discussion to,
2:01:07
Speaker 7: have because, again the outlier part of the drafting outliers
2:01:11
Speaker 7: man in the first round is tough. Business and SO
2:01:15
Speaker 7: i think that's gonna affect. SOMETHING i think it seems
2:01:17
Speaker 7: somethings aren't going to. Care but if we look back
2:01:18
Speaker 7: and say to, ourselves, well that was kind of an
2:01:21
Speaker 7: overdraft that that would be the reason.
2:01:22
Speaker 2: Why That's Jeff. Schwartz, jeff thanks for joining us as,
2:01:27
Speaker 2: always appreciate you man.
2:01:28
Speaker 7: Talking next to, me, Buddy take.
2:01:29
Speaker 2: Care thirty six in charms is about as long as
2:01:34
Speaker 2: it gets in THE, nfl and if you have thirty
2:01:37
Speaker 2: one in, charms that is a big. Difference quick break
2:01:41
Speaker 2: here and Then Matt, ferrell THE ceo OF Us Figure,
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Speaker 2: skating joins us on The sean O'Connell show AT espn
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to The sean O'Connell. Show welcome In Matt,
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Speaker 2: FARRELL CEO Us Figure skating ahead of THE Us Synchronized
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Speaker 2: Skating championships this week at The Mavericks center starting tomorrow
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Speaker 2: going through the Seventh Matt, Farrell.
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Speaker 7: Welcome to the.
2:02:18
Speaker 2: Show how are you?
2:02:20
Speaker 9: Hey doing? Great great to be, here.
2:02:23
Speaker 2: So utah hosting this event for the first, Time is that?
2:02:27
Speaker 2: Correct it is and it.
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Speaker 9: Probably bears a little bit of explanation of what the event.
2:02:33
Speaker 9: Is but synchronized skating is like this blend of certainly
2:02:38
Speaker 9: ice skating and marching band with like the atmosphere of
2:02:43
Speaker 9: a cheer competition kind of all all into.
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Speaker 3: One.
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Speaker 9: Wow and this is THE us Champions this is THE
2:02:48
Speaker 9: Us championships here at The Maverick center this.
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Speaker 2: Weekend, Okay so with that, description give me a sense
2:02:55
Speaker 2: is it uniform how many young men or women are
2:02:58
Speaker 2: on the ice at a certain. Time i'm, like what's
2:03:01
Speaker 2: the give me like the four breakdown of what we're
2:03:04
Speaker 2: going to see.
2:03:05
Speaker 9: Visually so in most cases it's either twelve to sixteen
2:03:11
Speaker 9: athletes on the floor or on the, ice and can
2:03:16
Speaker 9: be a mix of women and. Men that leans a
2:03:19
Speaker 9: little more female athletes and they're they're skating informations and
2:03:24
Speaker 9: doing different. Maneuvers it's very intricate based to, music and
2:03:29
Speaker 9: so you'll see kind of skaters going in and out
2:03:32
Speaker 9: of each other and it's a coreyographed routine on.
2:03:36
Speaker 2: Ice and is this judged similarly to The olympic events
2:03:42
Speaker 2: that we all Just i'm sure you're fully aware of this.
2:03:45
Speaker 2: Cycle every four years we all become big time experts
2:03:49
Speaker 2: on figure. Skating for like a two week period and
2:03:52
Speaker 2: then we kind of go back to our regular, habits
2:03:55
Speaker 2: and then four years later we're once again big time.
2:03:58
Speaker 2: Experts is it the same judge are the same type
2:04:00
Speaker 2: of judging?
2:04:01
Speaker 9: Criteria similar in, concept and you, know you find yourself
2:04:06
Speaker 9: incorporating the word twizzle into your conversations, daily which you
2:04:12
Speaker 9: didn't normally, do but similar in. Concept you, know it's
2:04:16
Speaker 9: obviously about the precision on the, eyes the, synchronicity and
2:04:22
Speaker 9: kind of really just how the you, know anywhere the
2:04:24
Speaker 9: twelve to sixteen athletes move is.
2:04:26
Speaker 2: One, well we spend a lot of, TIME i mean
2:04:29
Speaker 2: as much AS i, joke we did spend a lot
2:04:31
Speaker 2: of time during The Winter olympics focusing on sports that
2:04:34
Speaker 2: we don't typically talk about on a regular sports talk radio, show,
2:04:38
Speaker 2: right figure skating being one of. Those and we come
2:04:42
Speaker 2: off a hockey gold medal and all, this and especially
2:04:45
Speaker 2: here In, utah we're, like, okay what is this going
2:04:47
Speaker 2: to do for the growth of these? Sports we see
2:04:50
Speaker 2: What alyssa lou with her, success and you, know the
2:04:55
Speaker 2: sort of pop culture phenomenon That Jack hughes is with
2:04:59
Speaker 2: the broken teeth in the gold, medal AND i imagine
2:05:02
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity here for figure skating with you, know
2:05:06
Speaker 2: the popularity in the gold medal success that we just
2:05:09
Speaker 2: had in these. Games so how do you capitalize on?
2:05:12
Speaker 9: That, Matt, yeah it's a great. Question you, know everything
2:05:17
Speaker 9: from there's something really really special about a Female olympic
2:05:24
Speaker 9: champion in The United states and we hadn't had it
2:05:27
Speaker 9: Since Salt lake The games in two thousand and two
2:05:31
Speaker 9: With Sarah Hughes so and it creates this, demand it
2:05:38
Speaker 9: creates this interest in the. Sport we might call it
2:05:41
Speaker 9: a halo effect of what we're seeing is just absolute
2:05:45
Speaker 9: phones ringing off the hook at learned To skate, sessions skating,
2:05:50
Speaker 9: rinks of people wanting to actually try the sport and introduce,
2:05:54
Speaker 9: it and so Some olympic sports you can see from
2:05:57
Speaker 9: a membership standpoint from five percent to ten, percent The
2:06:03
Speaker 9: Olympic games can really be a huge catalyst in terms
2:06:08
Speaker 9: of just driving interest in the. Sport and you, know
2:06:11
Speaker 9: something like skating is a great one because you can
2:06:13
Speaker 9: do it for the rest of your life and whether
2:06:15
Speaker 9: you want to be the Next alissa lou is not the.
2:06:19
Speaker 9: Point but it has this, real you, know gold metal
2:06:24
Speaker 9: to grassroots type of impact in, communities and we're seeing
2:06:30
Speaker 9: seeing clubs across the country From utah To albuquerque, saying my,
2:06:34
Speaker 9: gosh we can't keep up with the demand of the.
2:06:36
Speaker 2: Calls right, now pretty. Cool with respect to The Synchronized
2:06:40
Speaker 2: Skating championships this week at The Maverick, center tickets, available
2:06:44
Speaker 2: go to The Maverick center. Website we're talking about that grassroots, growth.
2:06:49
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean you come off OF i have three, Daughters,
2:06:52
Speaker 2: okay so we come off of watching The olympics together
2:06:55
Speaker 2: and now they're, like, hey we should, dad we should go.
2:06:58
Speaker 2: Skating let's want, you let us go. Skating let's take us,
2:07:01
Speaker 2: skating all?
2:07:02
Speaker 1: Right?
2:07:02
Speaker 2: Cool and then you, know there's figure, skating there's, hockey there's,
2:07:05
Speaker 2: whatever and then maybe they see an event like. This
2:07:10
Speaker 2: are the funnels to individual figure skating or pair skating
2:07:14
Speaker 2: and these synchronized skatings in the large team? Format are
2:07:18
Speaker 2: they similar? Funnels do these people come from the same, academy, schools?
2:07:22
Speaker 2: Coaches is their crossover between the, athletes BECAUSE i think
2:07:27
Speaker 2: some of us are familiar with the figure skating that
2:07:29
Speaker 2: we see On olympic television less so with the synchronized
2:07:32
Speaker 2: skating you're talking, about are they the same people doing these.
2:07:36
Speaker 9: Things you, know you almost self select a little bit in.
2:07:41
Speaker 9: Ways and the ANALOGY i always use is like it's
2:07:44
Speaker 9: The Harry potter sorting hat of what's the best path
2:07:48
Speaker 9: in the sport for, me and The, olympics in an odd,
2:07:52
Speaker 9: way can actually cloud things because not every kid who's, six,
2:07:57
Speaker 9: seven eight years old once or even thinks about being
2:08:00
Speaker 9: the Next olympic. Champion they want to be on a
2:08:02
Speaker 9: team and on the ice with their, friends and that's
2:08:05
Speaker 9: where a synchronized skating is. Awesome and so that does
2:08:10
Speaker 9: tend to be a different mindset and a different person
2:08:14
Speaker 9: that might SAY i want to be part of a
2:08:16
Speaker 9: team with my friends and do that all the way
2:08:19
Speaker 9: through my high school and college, years as opposed, to
2:08:22
Speaker 9: you know, What i'm driven to be the Next Dorothy,
2:08:26
Speaker 9: Hamil Peggy, Fleming Alas, Alu Christy. Amagucci and so it's
2:08:30
Speaker 9: just an outlet for different people who want different things in,
2:08:34
Speaker 9: sports because we don't all always want to be the
2:08:37
Speaker 9: Next olympic. Champion sometimes it's really about community and Team.
2:08:43
Speaker 2: Some of us realize when we're watching Those olympic skaters
2:08:46
Speaker 2: that it's a beautiful and graceful and incredible and that
2:08:49
Speaker 2: we are not ever capable and never work capable of such.
2:08:53
Speaker 9: Things, well not only, that and then the pressure of.
2:08:57
Speaker 9: It you, know you think about it like every other
2:09:00
Speaker 9: whether you're swimming or wrestling or even playing, golf there's
2:09:04
Speaker 9: somebody else out there with. You in many, ways, yes
2:09:08
Speaker 9: golf is an individual, sport but the caddies out, there
2:09:10
Speaker 9: your opponents are out. There skating is just this Unique
2:09:15
Speaker 9: you are out there performing completely, alone and it just
2:09:20
Speaker 9: adds to the pressure of the event and kind of
2:09:23
Speaker 9: the excitement of the. Event and then you have to
2:09:26
Speaker 9: be artistic as you're being. Athletic so it's really this unique.
2:09:30
Speaker 2: Mix and by the, way you get this Big Super
2:09:34
Speaker 2: bowl event every four years instead of every, year and
2:09:37
Speaker 2: you got to go back to the drawing board if
2:09:38
Speaker 2: it doesn't go all that, well it's incredible What olympic
2:09:42
Speaker 2: athletes and every sport go through your perception of when
2:09:46
Speaker 2: there's these, little you, know tabloid, things the controversy around,
2:09:53
Speaker 2: judging or there's you, know the rumor mill buzzing around
2:09:58
Speaker 2: about certain pairings and why those pairing are put together
2:10:00
Speaker 2: and how they overcome our us pair that deserves this
2:10:04
Speaker 2: gold medal and they've only been together for one year
2:10:07
Speaker 2: instead of twenty, years and how did they leap frog?
2:10:10
Speaker 2: Us and all that. STUFF i, mean it's a. Tension
2:10:13
Speaker 2: and there's always that adage of there's no such thing
2:10:15
Speaker 2: as bad. Publicity but for us figure, skating when The
2:10:20
Speaker 2: olympic cycle brings us all to the. Forefront for the
2:10:23
Speaker 2: average sports, fan you're THE ceo OF us figure this
2:10:26
Speaker 2: is your life every. Day so what do you think
2:10:28
Speaker 2: of those?
2:10:29
Speaker 9: Moments you, know at the end of the, day you
2:10:33
Speaker 9: certainly want a fair, Competition and with any sport that
2:10:38
Speaker 9: has a degree of subjectivity to, it there's always going
2:10:40
Speaker 9: to be some argument to, it and SO i think
2:10:43
Speaker 9: figure skating certainly has that spotlight on. It BUT i
2:10:48
Speaker 9: often tell, PEOPLE i, mean we're still arguing about past
2:10:52
Speaker 9: interference calls from last college football. Season there's subjectivity in
2:10:57
Speaker 9: or what's a foul in the NBA's subjectivity every. Sport
2:11:01
Speaker 9: maybe that's a little more magnified to determine the final
2:11:04
Speaker 9: outcome and a figure, skating but that's part of the
2:11:08
Speaker 9: human element of, sports and that's just part of the
2:11:13
Speaker 9: culture of who we, are and so you really have
2:11:17
Speaker 9: to just own and embrace. That and so are there
2:11:21
Speaker 9: times where you feel, Like, okay maybe some decision was
2:11:23
Speaker 9: a little bit farther of an outlier in WHAT i
2:11:27
Speaker 9: would consider fair versus what you could would consider. Fair
2:11:30
Speaker 9: AND i think you come to an acceptance that that
2:11:34
Speaker 9: is part of the sport and part of the culture
2:11:35
Speaker 9: of the.
2:11:35
Speaker 3: Sport but at the end of the, day you, know you.
2:11:41
Speaker 9: Graciously accept the, results whether they go your way or.
2:11:44
Speaker 9: Not and our athletes In milan in, PARTICULAR i think
2:11:47
Speaker 9: we're just awesome about that when we had some highs and.
2:11:50
Speaker 2: Lows are you already laying groundwork projecting Out is there
2:11:54
Speaker 2: anything being done for in preparation For utah twenty thirty.
2:11:59
Speaker 2: Four it's eight years, away BUT i imagine in your
2:12:02
Speaker 2: world that comes around quicker than.
2:12:04
Speaker 3: We think.
2:12:06
Speaker 9: One hundred. PERCENT i, mean one is synchronized skating what
2:12:10
Speaker 9: you'll see at A Maverick. Center we're being very open
2:12:13
Speaker 9: and transparent that we think that should be an incredible
2:12:16
Speaker 9: sport on The olympic program in the, future and certainly
2:12:19
Speaker 9: hoped By. Utah But utah to me obviously hosted in
2:12:24
Speaker 9: two thousand and, two will host in thirty. Four we're
2:12:27
Speaker 9: of the belief That utah will host again in sixteen
2:12:30
Speaker 9: or twenty years after, that and SO Us Figure skating
2:12:34
Speaker 9: is really starting to focus on what can we do
2:12:37
Speaker 9: to build grassroots and youth skating In. Utah how can
2:12:41
Speaker 9: we make our skating clubs, Stronger how can we bring
2:12:44
Speaker 9: in more lead coaching Into, utah and for lack of
2:12:47
Speaker 9: a better, word really invest In utah and make it
2:12:51
Speaker 9: a hub for skating, activity because we just think this
2:12:54
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Speaker 2: Questions THE Us Synchronized Skating championships this week starting tomorrow
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Speaker 9: Time oh you, BET i appreciate, it And i'll make one.
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Speaker 9: Matt hey appreciate talking to.
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Speaker 2: You Matt, FARRELL ceo OF Us Figure Skating Synchronized Skating,
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Speaker 8: so we're sitting on the other end and debating who
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Speaker 8: a minute or twice if you were In, milwaukee did you?
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Speaker 8: EVER i swear only five people in on the planet
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Speaker 8: ever watched the. Show do you do you ever recall
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Speaker 8: The White Rapper show ON vh?
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Speaker 2: Nope it was Unbelievable and the weirdest thing is like
2:17:19
Speaker 2: you can't really find footage of, it and it was
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Speaker 2: only one, season and me and my Buddy brandon like
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Speaker 2: stumbled upon it one, night were, like this is.
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Speaker 8: Phenomenal white dudes trying to rap didn't go very well
2:17:31
Speaker 8: and the judges were, all you, know Like African american.
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Speaker 4: Rappers all they did was clown, them.
2:17:35
Speaker 2: Just like established. Rats, yes it's like The Wu tang
2:17:39
Speaker 2: clan judging a bunch of white guys and.
2:17:41
Speaker 4: All they did was mock, them and it was so.
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Speaker 4: FUNNY i WISH i think they only did one.
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Speaker 7: Season.
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Speaker 4: AWESOME i have a weird thing for like bad movies
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Speaker 4: and bad. Television fascinated by.
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Speaker 2: It everyone has their guilty pleasure television. Shows. YEAH vh
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Speaker 2: one provided a lot of good ones back in the.
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Speaker 4: Jokers love The Impractical.
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Speaker 8: Jokers not aging all that, well you, know canceled here
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Speaker 8: or there for some deviant.
2:18:27
Speaker 2: Behavior but, yeah you.
2:18:30
Speaker 8: Didn't we actually had the guy on the show who was.
2:18:35
Speaker 8: Canceled he was was It?
2:18:36
Speaker 2: Joe it was why he?
2:18:38
Speaker 8: Left of course it Was, joe, Right like that was
2:18:40
Speaker 8: pretty easy to. See, No joe was coming into town
2:18:43
Speaker 8: to do stand up and so they reached out to
2:18:45
Speaker 8: see if we could. INTERVIEW i mean we, did and
2:18:47
Speaker 8: like the next week it turned out he's like, DMan
2:18:49
Speaker 8: like fifteen year old.
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Speaker 2: Girls we Had sal not just a couple of months,
2:18:52
Speaker 2: ago and he did not enjoy our interview at. All,
2:18:57
Speaker 2: Really i'm a big. FAN i Love The Impractical. JOKERS
2:19:00
Speaker 2: i Think sal's. Hilarious, yeah and he just was, Not
2:19:03
Speaker 2: like he definitely didn't have.
2:19:04
Speaker 8: Fun that's unfortunate me because he seems like a, jovial
2:19:07
Speaker 8: happy fellow and he's got a really good.
2:19:09
Speaker 2: Podcast. YEAH i was, LIKE i was, like put the
2:19:11
Speaker 2: difference between doing in practical jokers in the standup is That,
2:19:14
Speaker 2: Well i've actually been doing stand up for like twenty. Years,
2:19:16
Speaker 2: okay nobody knows you for, That. Sal, yeah, yeah. HUH
2:19:21
Speaker 2: i like to write. Books no one knows that about.
2:19:23
Speaker 7: Me shut.
2:19:24
Speaker 8: It, yeah there's something And i'm a huge stand up comedy,
2:19:28
Speaker 8: fan but there's something about the need to establish credibility
2:19:32
Speaker 8: with those guys LIKE i started WHEN i was eleven
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Speaker 8: in my uncle's garage AND i was grinding until Anyone,
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Speaker 8: no you calm.
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Speaker 2: Down, Sal you're on the appractican practical. Jokers that's what
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Speaker 8: Time CAN i say this on? AIR i think it
2:19:56
Speaker 8: Was sal who lost the challenge and he was forced
2:19:59
Speaker 8: to watch some adult movies in a coffee shop with
2:20:02
Speaker 8: the sound on the.
2:20:03
Speaker 7: Computer oh it. Was it is so painful yet just so.
2:20:08
Speaker 8: Funny so, YEAH i think it Was sal in the
2:20:10
Speaker 8: middle of a coffee, shop opens up the. Laptop it
2:20:12
Speaker 8: is crowded and all you hear are sounds of adults
2:20:16
Speaker 8: doing adult things and people baiting him to turn it.
2:20:18
Speaker 7: Off but he.
2:20:19
Speaker 2: Couldn't you just had to sit there for like five.
2:20:20
Speaker 2: Minutes they had some really good, punishments. UH i THINK
2:20:24
Speaker 2: i THINK q Married sal's mom at one point as
2:20:28
Speaker 2: one of the. Punishments see one of the great things
2:20:31
Speaker 2: about that. SHOW i don't know if you consume it
2:20:33
Speaker 2: the same WAY i. DID i just pictured doing that
2:20:35
Speaker 2: with my, friends of, course and how much fun that would. Be,
2:20:37
Speaker 2: yeah and and, exactly you, know exactly like your your
2:20:40
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2:20:44
Speaker 2: life what a?
2:20:45
Speaker 8: Life good, Luck, joe hang in, there, buddy apparently not good.
2:20:50
Speaker 8: BOOK i, mean find your way. BACK i don't really
2:20:53
Speaker 8: know what to say about it's been.
2:20:55
Speaker 2: Canceled franchise tag two minutes from now is the Dadline.
2:21:00
Speaker 4: Trey hendrickson not having the tag placed upon.
2:21:03
Speaker 2: HIM i always want to know why players Like trey
2:21:11
Speaker 2: are not regarded the same way as people that are
2:21:15
Speaker 2: in his same, position that perform the same level of productive. Football.
2:21:21
Speaker 2: Right it's such a strange, thing and it happens in
2:21:24
Speaker 2: all pro, sports right where you've got one guy who's
2:21:28
Speaker 2: there's baseball on right, Now like there's one guy who
2:21:30
Speaker 2: hits like three to oho, three and another guy who
2:21:34
Speaker 2: hits like two ninety seven and the three To zho three,
2:21:36
Speaker 2: guy everyone's just, LIKE i love, you and the two
2:21:39
Speaker 2: ninety seven, guy they're just, like let him. Go, yeah don't.
2:21:41
Speaker 8: Care especially on that, defense, Right Like cincinnati's, defense you don't,
2:21:45
Speaker 8: know not.
2:21:45
Speaker 2: AWESOME i think part of that might be they're just,
2:21:49
Speaker 2: like even With, trey we're really, bad so we might
2:21:52
Speaker 2: as well just tear this thing down to the. Studs
2:21:55
Speaker 2: but if that's the, case you should have gotten value
2:21:57
Speaker 2: out of tray h you should have traded. HIM i,
2:22:00
Speaker 2: MEAN i don't.
2:22:01
Speaker 8: Know i'm no expert in this, field but he seems
2:22:04
Speaker 8: like a beast to, Me like every TIME i watch him,
2:22:06
Speaker 8: play it stands. Out so if they're not going to
2:22:10
Speaker 8: bring him, back certainly that's somebody that have a lot
2:22:12
Speaker 8: of market, VALUE i would. Imagine but, Yeah cincinnati's defense
2:22:16
Speaker 8: is so. Atrocious the one decent defensive player you, have
2:22:20
Speaker 8: you might want to lock him. Up and Then Kenneth
2:22:21
Speaker 8: walker is, walking, Right DID i see?
2:22:23
Speaker 2: That that's?
2:22:24
Speaker 1: Right?
2:22:24
Speaker 8: Huh Super BOWL, Mvp we'll. See because Charbon is he
2:22:29
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2:22:31
Speaker 2: To close the.
2:22:32
Speaker 8: YEAR i think it was AN acl, YEAH i would
2:22:33
Speaker 8: imagine they would want to bring him.
2:22:35
Speaker 2: Back Miles garrett in the last five seasons eighty three, SACKS.
2:22:41
Speaker 2: Tj watt seventy three and a half, Sacks Trey hendrickson
2:22:45
Speaker 2: seventy and a half. Sack, Yeah cleveland will not Let
2:22:49
Speaker 2: Miles garrett go no matter, what nor should.
2:22:51
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2:22:51
Speaker 2: Yeah he's, LIKE i want out of. Here they're, like,
2:22:54
Speaker 2: no here's fifty million dollars a YEAR. Tj. Watt. Yeah
2:22:59
Speaker 2: pittsburgh is, like, well name the stadium after. You we're
2:23:01
Speaker 2: getting rid Of Mike. Tomlin we're not going to get
2:23:03
Speaker 2: rid of. You cincinnati third best pass rusher in the
2:23:06
Speaker 2: league over that time. SPAN i don't get.
2:23:09
Speaker 7: It it's.
2:23:09
Speaker 8: Odd, yeah it's really. Weird i've always wondered why they
2:23:12
Speaker 8: didn't just lock them. UP i do think you make
2:23:14
Speaker 8: a good, point, though with all the holes they, have
2:23:16
Speaker 8: maybe they just want to spread the cash out to
2:23:18
Speaker 8: fill a couple of different spots because they're in Like
2:23:21
Speaker 8: colts Ruining Andrew, luck danger With Joe. BURROW i, mean
2:23:24
Speaker 8: you've got to take advantage of like the next three
2:23:26
Speaker 8: or four years before he starts to go in the other.
2:23:28
Speaker 4: DIRECTION i would imagine.
2:23:29
Speaker 2: That's going to be a Fascinating The bengals are going
2:23:31
Speaker 2: to be a fascinating case study on when you have
2:23:35
Speaker 2: draft assets whether you should use them on offensive linemen
2:23:38
Speaker 2: to help your quarterback or wide receivers to help your. Quarterback,
2:23:41
Speaker 2: yeah because they said wide receiver and their offensive line
2:23:45
Speaker 2: has been. Bad their trenches period had been.
2:23:47
Speaker 8: Bad so The cardinals are Releasing Kyler murray not a
2:23:52
Speaker 8: fan Of, Kyler, Yeah, well as A jets, Fan i'm
2:23:57
Speaker 8: just get somebody that can kind of.
2:24:00
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2:24:05
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2:24:07
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2:24:09
Speaker 2: i was A niners fan before you, were Because i'm
2:24:10
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2:24:13
Speaker 2: because you jumped. SHIP i moved you to had to
2:24:16
Speaker 2: support the local. TEAM i don't live In San, Francisco.
2:24:19
Speaker 2: Spence you did for a, Minute, sean AFTER i had
2:24:23
Speaker 2: been a fan for twenty years.
2:24:25
Speaker 8: Already CAN i hit you with a line from The
2:24:27
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2:24:29
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2:24:32
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2:24:34
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2:24:40
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2:24:44
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2:24:49
Speaker 8: this was unbelievable. Television it was unbelievable. TELEVISION i can't
2:24:54
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Speaker 8: thing to.
2:24:58
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Speaker 2: Archives we're gonna have to go take a deep Dive google.
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Speaker 2: early two.
2:25:08
Speaker 8: Thousand, yeah But Jackson dart was definitely dressed Like, snow
2:25:13
Speaker 8: the old school white rapper last night At. MACLAMORE i
2:25:15
Speaker 8: don't know a ton of white, Rappers Eminem, Maclamore, Snow Vanilla.
2:25:21
Speaker 4: Ice that's probably the end of my.
2:25:23
Speaker 2: List Mac miller was, one, right shout out Mac, miller
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Speaker 2: and he was actually very.
2:25:27
Speaker 4: Talented that's a good.
2:25:28
Speaker 2: Poll, Yeah, okay nice.
2:25:30
Speaker 4: Sweater, sean thank, you stay tuned for the.
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