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Welcome, welcome, welcome. It is a Friday evening and yes, you are absolutely in the
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right place. Welcome to the regulars. I'm Cody Decker. I'm Tanya Ray Fox and we are,
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this is a Friday to beat all Fridays. We are in full Friday mode. I feel like this show
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is going to reflect Friday mode right now. To be quite honest, we're both, we got a lot
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going on. Um, we also, as we were, you know, go as we always do, we go through the rundown
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ahead of time and there were a couple of things, I don't know if you've seen it cause you've
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been working really hard breaking new stuff that we're not getting to in the show that
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we might as well just kind of, um, I want to tell you about off the top. Well, I, can
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I take a guess at what are one of the things on? Oh boy. Oh boy. I think it's time we take
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away a tiger woods is, uh, his license. I don't know. I just think there's a menace
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to himself, others in society. He does not have Elan to blame chasing him down the road.
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This go around. Does it really doesn't? Yeah. She's got free on this one. It's genuinely
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a little concerning. Like, uh, you know, I am by no means a person who's a Stan of athletes
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very often. So I like, I don't need tiger woods to be like an incredible person to be
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like, Oh, he was a great golfer. I also feel perfectly comfortable to critique a professional
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athletes, even if they are goats, he's not well, no, like this is a, it's, it's, it's
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sad. Um, it's scary. Like this man kind of has put himself in situations where it's not
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only is he risking his own life, but other lives, another car crash, um, and a dangerous
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one at that. So we're not going to be talking about that, but just off the top tiger woods,
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um, was about to debut too. He was about, he was preparing to, well, that's the rumor
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depending on who you ask, because there was the, uh, wonderful thing that was put out
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by the president of the United States where he went on the FOC of the five on Fox. Cause
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the guy just loves him some TV and wanted to break some news. Like, ah, yes, yes. I'm
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going to be there, but, uh, I don't know. I was a big fan of tiger, but he's not going
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to be playing. He's going to be there, but he's not going to be playing. And, uh, that's
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what he said. So I'm like, wow. Apparently the president doesn't know what's, I mean,
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he's so honest all the time. So did you see the pen, the pen thing? He went on like a,
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like a four to five minute rant about pens that like just did not end the gold thousand
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dollar pens. The man does and says goes on forever and have nothing to make a damn lick
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of sets. I don't know if you heard, we have been in a war that isn't a war that we won,
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but need help, but don't need help, but need the straight or her moose open, but it doesn't
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need to be open because we don't use their gas, but we need help from our allies, but
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our allies don't need to give us help. So thus we don't need them anyways. And it doesn't
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matter because we already won the war. I'm literally quoting his entire tweet thread
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on whatever the hell that stupid app he has is. Yeah. And it all makes total sense. The
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other thing that we aren't hitting, but did break just before the show is that the Connecticut
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sun were reportedly, this is what I read from my report on my update that they were sold
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and will be relocated to Houston and become the comments. Okay. Which is pretty wild.
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I feel really, really tough for any fan base that loses a team, especially right now with
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the WNBA catching the way they are for the, for Connecticut to lose a team is pretty brutal.
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So obviously always happy for Houston sports fans are a good group of fans down there,
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but that's a, you know, getting a team back after losing a team, it's a whole thing. Yeah.
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So we're not going to be hitting on that. We will be talking about, um, you know, uh,
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some less, some more serious kind of subjects today, but I didn't want to get into the show
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because that those are two pretty big stories that are pretty big. And you know, the tiger
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one was breaking. It started as a, you know, an overturned vehicle. And I know what my
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thought was. And I was live on the air at the time when it happened. My thought process
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was, okay, I could say what I think it's going to be, but I'm like, I just want to make sure
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everybody's okay. First. I want to make sure we got all the headlines. We just gave the
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information that we got live and then finding out that there were no injuries. So I felt
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a little more confident and comfortable going like, you know what it looks like, dude, you
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know what it looks like. What do you mean? Uh, that it looks like if tiger got involved
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in a two car accident on a very small lane highway in Florida, there's an overturn. My
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first thought was somebody was drinking and I'm hoping it wasn't tiger. Oh, he was. I
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know he was. No, no. And then later on, later on about 5.00 PM, they came out and put out
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the statement. No, no. He was arrested. Yes. He blew triple zeros. And we're, we're back
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at where we were about what? Five, six years ago. It's been, it's where I don't know that
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he's ever like fully gone. It's it sucks. We know why tiger where and how a tiger may
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have developed, um, some pretty severe. And so it's, it's a touchy thing. It's not, it's
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certainly not anything that other people haven't dealt with before. Lots of people have dealt
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with dependence issues, uh, after going through surgeries and getting on pain pills and whatever
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else. So it's, there's no, not to make light of it, but I mean, you, this is several times
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now at this point where it's like you are now, there's no reason this man should be
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behind a wheel. It needs to be done. It needs to be done. And I'm sorry to say it. Um, completely,
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but uh, we'll go ahead and get into our stories. And I gotta say right out the gate, we are
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not starting at a happier place. I can't stress that enough. It's getting worse right off
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the top. I don't know what to say other than I will never ever, ever understand the grift
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that has been perpetrated on the world of sports the way it has in the last couple of
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years. Thus headline number one, Tanya, take it away. The Olympic committee, the IOC has
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banned trans athletes from winning women's events. This is something they've been threatening.
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They've been planning to do for awhile. Um, it's something that required a very specific
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way to decide how they were going to ban these trans athletes. Let's make it very clear.
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They are banning trans women from women's events. This is not banning trans men from
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competing in men's events. As far as we know, that has not happened. Um, for the record,
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there is, uh, there was a weightlifter named Laurel Hubbard who made history as the first
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openly transgender woman to, to be at the Olympics. That was in Tokyo of 2021. She did
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not medal and she is the only known open trans woman to have ever competed at the Olympics.
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Uh, since then, nothing in either winter or summer. And I want to make it abundantly clear,
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uh, the last time we dealt with specifically with the Olympics and the transgender panic
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that this, uh, specifically we're in a space focused on this country. Um, again, I'll never
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do what should be noted. We have a very outsized influence on the IOCs, um, whole process,
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especially because we have the next Olympics. So while this feels like a very us based conversation
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we're going to have, it kind of is, it is absolutely a us based conversation. And how
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did this conversation get so big? Well, if you remember in 2024, we had a very specific
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Olympic boxing match that led to maybe me losing every last ounce of respect I had for,
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for multiple people in this industry because they are either ill-informed absolute fucking
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morons or just evil bigoted little bastards. Um, and I'll never forget it. Sometimes all
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of the above. And I don't know if one guy already SPN is any of those things, but I
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do know, I remember a tweet protect our daughters. I'll never fucking forget it. Dan Orlovsky
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Dan Orlovsky who's having a great week by the way. Um, yeah, it didn't even, we're not
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even talking about him. We're not even getting to that. It's so stupid that, yeah. Um, here's
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the thing that's happening is they have decided that they are going to test every single woman
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who will deign to enter the Olympics. Um, they are going to run a D a gene test on a
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gene called the SRY gene. Now the scientist who discovered the SRY gene, Andrew Sinclair
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has in a few years ago, there was a sports organization that started using this type
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of SRY gene testing for this reason. He wrote an entire op-ed, an entire piece say explaining
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and laying out why this specific gene should not be used for testing for this specific
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thing. Because this gene can be present in women without having their testosterone levels,
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um, meeting any sort of, uh, standard male biological, you know, level they, there is,
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it is not a gene that can test for, uh, athletic level levels of testosterone. It is essentially
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like he has said, this is simply like not a way to do this. And there are also all the
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ramifications of reintroducing, uh, any sort of testing on this front, sort of genetic
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testing on this front for all women. They are not going to just be cherry picking women
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to test. They will be testing every single woman. Now we know this has already affected
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intersex people like castor seminar Naya. We know this has affected Amani Khalif who
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is just a woman, just a woman, um, regular, you know, whatever, again, like you are who
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you say you are to me. So if you're, if you say you're a woman, you're a woman, I don't
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fucking care.
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I'm telling you right now, I, I, Khalif specifically, when I say the amount of arguments that I
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got into with people who I barely family members, I had an actual, this was the actual exchange.
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I saw a post by a family member. I texted him like, take that down. You have no idea
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what you're talking about. So the response back to me was, so you think it's okay for
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men to beat up women? And I just said, once again, your entire lining of questioning
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is based on something that isn't happening. So once again, shut the fuck up. And then
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he responded with the same thing. And I just responded, my God, I, I always thought you
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were, were an idiot, but this is off the charts and I, I will not engage with you anymore.
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I haven't really engaged with this person all that much since just because I was so
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angry about that particular rhetoric, because I was really scared that Khalif was going
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to end up going home to Algeria where they really are not good to transgender people
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and going to get her killed. I was horrified that that's what the future we were about
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to watch.
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Well, that's the thing is because a lot of there, there's also the openness of being
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transgender. There's an openness of being intersex or like, I mean, we're talking about
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like we're, we're really in invading, um, people's health and, and their bodies in this
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way. Now the, from the, from the 1960s to the 1990s. So up until 1999, there were various
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levels of incredibly invasive testing on women's bodies, um, invasive gynecological exams,
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really traumatizing shit. And then they did eventually start using chromosomal testing
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on women to do the same thing that they're doing now. They have, they moved from chromosomal
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testing to SRY. And then that was banned in 1999 because of the outcry from women athletes
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and scientists, there is no scientific, um, uh, consensus on any sort of gene testing
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or testing that would tell you specifically whether or not someone is too biologically
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male to compete as a woman.
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So there's that aspect of it. If you want to be really, really technical, which a lot
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of people do, they want to be really technical. So there it is. There's no way to fucking
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do it. They, they aren't, and this is not certainly not the way, not to mention, even
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if it was like, even if it was the way, what's the actual barometer, what's the number that
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makes you enough of a woman to actually perceive. And that's where things get incredibly tricky.
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And the other part that's incredibly, um, so here's the, like the central question is
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we know everybody's transphobic. This is the, this is the way they're in road that they
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It's so embarrassing. It's an inroad that they've taken. They're like, not only can
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we start to eliminate trans people, which is horrifying. This is like an attempt to
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genocide trans people by marginalizing them to the point of not being able to exist. There's
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also, when you start introducing this level of testing, when you try to start solving
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for a problem that doesn't exist. And by the way, trans women in professional and collegiate
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level sports is quite literally a problem that does not exist. They can be counted on
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two hands across all of college and professional sports. That's it. That, and that is on the
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high end. There are just not a lot of trans women competing in high athletics right now.
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So we're solving a lot of trans people in the world. So we're going through very, very
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extreme measures to solve for a non-existent problem. Why would we take such drastic measures
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as the, you know, the IOC who are, who are now influencing the NCAA who now want to introduce
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this testing into the NCAA, the right-wing advocates on that front. What is their end
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game? Their end game is that this gives them an opportunity to invade and test and, and
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dictate women's bodies across the board. Yep. Right. So this is where, this is really what
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it comes down to is not only can they be transphobic, not only can they come for the trans community,
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not only can they lean into the moral panic of that whole thing, but now on top of, you
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know, losing abortion rights and medical care on top of the lack of maternity healthcare
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on top of everything else. Now your body is up for scrutiny. If you want to enter professional
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sports at the Olympic level. And, and I mean, I think we can understand that this is probably
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going to be spread more widely. That is what people are looking to do. Anytime something
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like this is going on where you're solving for a non-existent problem, you should be
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always looking for what exactly their end game is. So then where does it go from there?
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Who are the women who actually are most likely to be scrutinized and pegged as trans or intersex
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or whatever else? This is something that happens to black women a lot. High muscle mass women,
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women who are more masculine presenting just in gender appearance. There's a history in
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this country and other countries of using this kind of testing against black women and
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women of color. That's who they'll come for as well. So this is, it's misogyny, it's sexist,
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it's patriarchy, it's racism. It is fascism. This is, these are not, this is not like a
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tiny little drop in the bucket decision. It is going to have massive, massive consequences.
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And this is like, there's a, we, we have now gone back 27 years in time. We, we, we got
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rid of this in 1999 for a reason. The scientists have not reached consensus since then. It's
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it's like, this is a horrifying situation. No, no, it is. And what, you know, I forget
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the horrifying. How about this frustrating aspect of the nature? You know why we're doing
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any of this? Why any of this is happening? Because one fucking girl tied for fucking
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fifth. You know, I would love to give Riley Gaines all the credit for B for starting transphobia,
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but unfortunately transphobia has already existed, but the way it's actually been in
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the mainstream for the last five years, I mean, that's the thing is there was always
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going to be the boogeyman. They chose transphobia. They chose their their face of it. And she
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is certainly a, like a hellish loser who I truly hope nothing but shitty things for.
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Yep. But like, this is, this is across the board, a very, like an extremely obvious tactic
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and one that has that too many people have fallen incredibly easily into without understanding
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the full ramifications. And the reality is of course they don't, because if you are a
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bigot, you will only see as far as your bigotry will let you see. So it doesn't matter if
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you're a woman who, whose kid might be, um, be getting a gynecological exams at 12 years
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old so they can play fucking travel soccer. Because if you think that sounds crazy, no,
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no, that's fucking stupid. That's what we're currently talking about. That's what, that's,
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that's what's driving me absolutely nuts. That's what we're talking about. These are
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all, these are the same people that are constantly talking. Whoa. Yeah. I really want the Epstein
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files released until of course they're not releasing like, well, there's a reason they're
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not releasing the Epstein file. All of you are just so full of shit and drives me nuts.
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Think about what happens. One of you ever, and I mean, we're both like learn it enough.
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One of you ever heard about a situation where they want to test you for a certain gene to
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exclude you from something that has gone well, 0.0 that's eugenics straight up. Yep. So
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that's it. There's no like good, there's no like time where you're like, well, we tested you for
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this gene to exclude you from this thing and it's going to go really well for everybody involved.
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Nope. That there, there is a 100% failure rate of that being a good fucking sign. Yep. So I talked
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about this on my own, on my own content over the weekend, but, um, this is one of the biggest
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stories in sports. It's one of the biggest stories in society right now. And, um, uh,
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while it's not going to be covered in mainstream media because God for fucking big, no, can't talk
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about this. I know it matters a lot. No, we, we have to create us. We have to create that. Cam
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Simpson is going to go before Fernando. Sorry. That's how little I give a shit about him. I don't
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even know his first name. I don't care. Like every mainstream sports media has become the biggest
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clown show. It's really bad humanly possible because there are really important stories out
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there right now that you will never know about unless you literally go so far out of your way
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to find them. And by the way, saying something like along the lines of like an ESPN that they
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don't have, they do like Pablo Torrey pops up in spots. He does some good work. Clinton Yates does
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some good work, except he's no longer at ESPN. I can't believe that. That sucks. Yeah. That really
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sucks. And the funny part is that actually takes us directly into headline two, because this is
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something that I saw, uh, got, you know, got sent the ESPN update immediately felt the smoke explode
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from my ears like a sociopath. And I thought, you know, let me turn on ESPN. Let me turn on
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Fox sports seat. Do you think they were talking about this? I didn't know about this until you
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sent me the article. And by the way, I'm plugged in every single day. I read every news line that
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I could possibly get my hands on to know things as much as I possibly can. I didn't even know
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about this until you sent it to me. And when I say, holy shit. Yeah. So, uh, the Florida attorney
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general who was nominated by, uh, Ron DeSantis and has worked for Ron DeSantis and tried to,
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and actually ran his presidential campaign. He is calling on the NFL to suspend the Rooney rule
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or face possible civil rights action. James Oothmeyer sent a letter to NFL commissioner
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Roger Goodell on Wednesday to express concern that the Rooney rule, which requires teams to
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interview an external minority candidates for specific positions is this is his quote, blatant
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race and sex discrimination, and that hiring should be based on merit only NFL fans in Florida.
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Don't care what color their coach's skin is. They care what color their coach is wearing and that
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those colors are winning on the football field. The Rooney rule and its offshoots are illegal in
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Florida. And he, the NFL responded that they acknowledged the letter and the league is
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reviewing the, the contents of the letter. They said, we believe our policies are consistent
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with the law and reflect our fairness. So yes, this is, this guy is threatening essentially to
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take action under the Florida civil rights law because we're interviewing too many African
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American candidates. That's why, because we're there. He's, he's saying it's racist against
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whites. That's right. Because the most discriminated against people in America,
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for some reason, a good amount of people have convinced themselves that it's white Christians.
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And by the way, percentage wise, how many, uh, how many white guys are the head or the head
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coaches of NFL teams? Uh, it's like over 90%. Cool. Discrimination against them.
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Them old whiteys. I am. So I am baffled that there were, we talked about this 10 openings,
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um, you know, record number of openings, zero black head coaches hired one with Robert Sala,
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who is a Lebanese American, very much not black, very much not from Africa, very much not
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the most marginalized group of people in the NFL, very much not the 75% of the players who are
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underrepresented in the coaching staffs love Robert Sala, but so do I, you know, at the end
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of the day, I love that there's minority representation. Black Americans are the ones
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who make up the majority of the fucking labor force. They should make up a much bigger,
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significant portion of portion of the, and that's why they put the Rooney rule in place was to say,
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we are clearly a bunch of racist white dudes. We're not getting dudes hired. Let's figure out
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a way they institute this rule. Now, whether it's performative or not has been a fucking conversation
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off and on across the course of the history of the Rooney rule existing. There are major issues
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with the Rooney rule being even enough to combat this because it's clearly not that they, there are
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sham interviews. There are sham, uh, hiring things that happen where it's like, well, everybody's
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interviewing, but are you actually interviewing into the faith? Are you actually considering
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these candidates for these positions? Are you actually doing the work to diversify your front
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office and your staff enough that these black coaches have an opportunity to make the impression
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that they need to make? There's all these fucking questions, but at the end of the day, what we know
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for sure is that there is definitely. And I don't know if there's a human being on in America who
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could argue this, not an issue with white men getting discriminated against in the NFL coaching
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ranks. I don't even think mega people think that first African-American head coach was hired two
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years after I was born in here in Los Angeles, California with my Raiders, our child two years
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after I was born, I don't know what to tell. Oh. And the number of African-American head coaches
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after this, I think at the very height at one time, I believe reached almost 20%. I believe
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there might've been a year or two where there's a slightly higher, but we're back in one season.
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Right. It it's, I think it's always the highest it got was about the, did it get higher on that?
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I think at the highest we got was no about the same percentage as it is in like the,
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in like the general population, not in the NFL. Yeah. So it never really got up. We were up to
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like eight black head coaches. We got somewhere, but now we're back down again. We, when we had
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two African-American head coaches, both of which one was fired, the other was stepped down in my
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Tomlin. Oh, by the way, I mean, are we pretending that my Tomlin shouldn't have been arguably the
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sexiest free agent available head coach. He doesn't currently have a job now. Maybe he didn't
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go after a ton of jobs. He did step down because of calls for his job, which again, that, you know,
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you can argue the merits of why people were even mad at him. But the reality is the one thing we
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know for sure about the NFL. There's if there is one thing we know for sure, it's that there's
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plenty of white men coaching. Oh yeah. There are more sets of brothers at the head coaching
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position right now than there are like black head coaches at this point, like brothers.
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Wow. So what our guy is saying is like, there's not enough DEI for the white man.
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It just happens that the Harbaugh's have two of the most qualified football coaches in the history
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amazing. Isn't that crazy? How that happened in all of America, the Kubiak family is just,
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they're just cranking out these guys in all of America. There are no other coaches that could
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possibly be as good. Yep. So no big deal. That's just, it just happens that like this, that an
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eighth of the NFL is related to each other. It's exhausted. I'm exhausted by it. It's just nausea.
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You know what? I'm actually mad at the NFL because if I'm Roger Goodell and it's not even that I
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think Roger Dell is all that good of a guy. I don't, I think he's probably, he's probably evil.
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He's the commissioner of the NFL for God's sake. Not a big fan of commissioners. Yeah. As far as
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like character. Yeah. That being said, Roger Goodell is a very powerful man and honestly could
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be one of the few that could do this. The fact that he didn't immediately make a video of said
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letter and tear it in front of the camera and sit and turn, send the video back is insane to me
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because that's what your response should have been. Well, he never will because there is a
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bunch of owners who he is ostensibly the representative of who would love to never
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have to have to interview another black. Oh boy. Oh boy. Is that true? You know? So, uh,
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they're, you know, do I think that the owners are clamoring to get rid of the Rooney rule?
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Um, not necessarily the word, but they won't be upset if it's gone, be upset if it's gone. The
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fact that the fact of the matter is what I don't think they like is attorneys general
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across the country telling them that they will take them to court over civil rights violations.
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If they tried to enact Florida, Florida, trying to enact anything civil rights is the most ass
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backwards sentence I've ever heard in my life. You're giving black people too many interviews.
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I've never seen more. It is so crazy to me how many mediocre white men who look like they didn't
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quite evolve past the Neanderthal stage are terrified at the idea of qualified black men
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being in the same room with them or qualified black women or qualified people who are not white
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and do not have a fucking dick. They're terrified of it because the only reason that they have any
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of the fucking opportunities that they do is because they are white men. They are underqualified
26:11
losers across the board. I mean, genuinely, if you made me guess how many white men who have a
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job right now are underqualified or should not have been hired to the position, I'd be at like,
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I'd be at like 85%. I was going to say 50 and I might be generous. I would be at 85%. I'm not,
26:29
I'm not even fucking kidding. And the people who are, they're like the good guys. They're like,
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you know, fucking nurses and teachers. Like those people probably they're probably, you know,
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it's just, but it's just insane to me. It's just insane to me that we have just gotten to this
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point where the people that try to talk about being tough and the people that want to talk
26:43
about being like masculine are just the softest, thin skin, little baby dick people with just
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fleshy sacks of where balls should possibly be. Yet they're more concerned with whether or not
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a woman has balls. It's just, these people are fucking broken. And by the way, most women do
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have bigger balls than all of you. These are facts. Hopefully the SRY gene can find that out
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too. And you can all feel more, even more emasculated. You actual pieces of shit.
27:12
I watched that fucking man. Oh, smear man, a spirit documentary. You guys are bitches. Headline
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number three. So the NBA is really obsessed with stopping tanking. Okay. This is like a weird new
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obsession to its credit. I do. You might giggle at it, but I agree with their, this obsession.
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I actually really do. I know, I know we disagree on this, but I do see a world where this tanking
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can only become a bigger problem than it currently is. Do you currently think there's a huge parody
27:48
issue in the NBA? No. Okay. I do think there is an issue. However, when you do have roughly
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10 to 20% of the team of the league trying to tank to get a better spot,
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this is where we disagree and we can obviously talk about as we go on.
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I genuinely just wish people understood that like, there are going to be a certain percentage
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of teams in every single right. That are just bad. And we have to like relax about it. Like
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you are idea that every single team that is bad is tanking. That is fair. That is absolutely fair.
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No, no. I don't think every team is saying, but we can agree that some teams, I would say there's
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about three teams right now that are like, if, if you're going to tell me they're tanking, I'm just
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not going to argue with you. My issue is to this point is not necessarily that tanking is the end
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all be all evils of the world. I honestly see those teams plight and issue because what other
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recourse do they have other than the tank to try to rebuild their franchise. We just watched the
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San Antonio Spurs do it. We watched them do it again, 15 years earlier. I'm not saying it's right.
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I'm saying it's the recourse of what you can do to rebuild your franchise.
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And also like, I think tanking becomes an issue when you are, um, when I can look at your roster
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and be like, you guys should win more. Right? Like if I can look at your roster and be like,
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you guys are tanking. I'm not looking at the Charlotte Hornets. Like, wow. I can't believe
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you guys keep losing games. I understand why you're losing games. I'm kind of excited about
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the Charlotte Hornets future a little bit. Absolutely. But like, there's very few times
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where I'm like, if you guys weren't tanking, you'd be that much better. Like, I think a lot of times
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we're just looking at teams that are horrible, who aren't trying to win more than they're capable of
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on a regular day. And so the anti tanking, let's go through some of what they're trying to do here,
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because this is Adam Silver's new pet project. He is simply horrified by tanking now real quick.
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I don't know what these new measures are. These were announced today and I haven't had a chance
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to see any of them. Yes. Yes. So I'm going to read you each. There, there are three proposals.
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So I'll start with the first, keep in mind, this is a, this is a league that is currently
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planning to expand. Yes. Okay. By two teams. So they're worried on tanking. This is there.
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These are what we're looking at in the first proposal,
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18 teams. So the bottom 10 that missed the tournament and then the eight that qualify
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for it all will be part of the lottery. The draft lottery, the bottom 10 teams will all have an
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equal 8% chance of moving up in the lottery with the remaining 20% of the odds being split among
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the eight play in teams in descending order from 11th through 18th, all 18 spots would be drawn
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as part of the lottery in that format. Okay. So what, basically what they're saying is we're just
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expanding the lottery to more teams. Thus we're expanding the lottery to, to teams that make the
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play, make the play in tournaments. Thus we less odds for the teams that are quote tanking to get
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said pick and yeah. And incentivizing teams to make the tournament. Okay. Okay. Okay.
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Okay. A little bit, a little bit muddy, a little bit all over the place. To me, all it feels like
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is like, I still, so you tell me if, tell me if this is after this first proposal, all I keep
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thinking is like, so you just, you want bad teams to stay bad because again, you only think this
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might work if you believe eight teams are tanking. And I just don't eight teams are not tanking.
31:34
Like they're just not like you're asking me if, if I look at a team right now, that's really bad.
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Right. And you say like, what's the most games you think they could have won if they were really,
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really trying. I I'd say they could have won four more games. Like what are we? They're not
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fucking suddenly playoff teams because they don't have, they don't, I don't know.
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I will freely listen. I understand. I understand the idea behind the proposal.
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I don't mind that. Yeah. I don't, I don't hate where they're trying. I see what they're trying
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to do, but it also to your point, but then Luca and the Lakers went up when the fucking
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play-in tournament get out and they get like the first overall pick. Watch what happens to NBA. Oh
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my God. People are going to lose their fucking mind. I will admit, I will admit the play-in
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tournament this last year, the first year really had me the second year completely didn't have me
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at all, but they're good teams. Generally they are, but I mean, winning the play-in tournament,
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getting you in the, it would add some, a little bit of extra Jewish to the play-in tournament to
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a little, not a ton. Certainly would. That's why I think they're doing it. So I don't hate it.
32:44
I do think that when it suddenly goes to the fucking Boston Celtics, while they have Jason
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Tatum and Jalen Brown, suddenly people are a little more fucking upset by this cute little
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stunt there. Okay. No, see, here's the problem. There is going to be serious problems with each
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one of these. And I already, we've already found out three big problems with just the first one.
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Yeah. Even though we both can see the first one being like, I see it, but are we creating five
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more problems by just solving this problem? Because I think we are. I mean, imagine. All right,
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let's get to see, we'll go to the second proposal. I'm going to give that one a solid C plus. I'm
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going to give it a six out of 10. Okay. Yes. Okay. So you're giving more of a D. I'm giving a C.
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Second proposal, 22 teams, the bottom 10 teams that missed the play-in tournament,
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the eight that qualify for it, and the four playoff teams that lose in the first round
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will all be included in the lottery and will be ranked according to their record across
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two seasons. The last part, weighting teams by their record across the prior two seasons
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is how the WNBA weights its lottery system. Under that system, each team would need to reach a
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minimum win total floor in each season to mitigate the need to lose every game possible. For example,
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if the minimum floor for an individual season was 20 wins, a team that went 14 and 68 would be 20
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and 62 for lottery purposes. And if a team wins 40 games one season and 20 games the next season,
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it would go in as 30 wins for the lottery. In this system, the top four spots would be drawn
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as part of the lottery as it is currently. I quote Chevy Chase. I quote Chevy Chase on Saturday
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Night Live. I was to believe there was no math. Jesus Christ, that's just complicated for the
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sake of being complicated. Also, you're telling me a team that gets not, say the Celtics get
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knocked out in the first round and you're just out of, so now they are in the draft lottery.
34:49
Give me a fucking break guys. And you're now you're, you've got, so you've got now, what is it?
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18 teams in the draft lottery. Come on. Just fuck it. How about this? Just put
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fucking everybody in the draft lottery. Like now we're problem solved, I guess.
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I actually genuinely at this, like after reading that one, I would say after that one,
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just get like, just, just hope the NBA finals champions. Don't get a fucking
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that's it. Like that's honestly based on that one, which is so fucking complicated.
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The fans will hate it because they won't understand it. I don't understand it now.
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And I kind of understand it, but what we're really getting is what, like roughly a few
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teams out from the playoffs. I get knocked out in the first round, which by the way,
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could just be lucky to draw. Maybe they have an injury happened or maybe they just somehow,
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what do you accidentally ran into a bus or a team of chance out of nowhere.
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And then you got the play in tournament, which is roughly going to be some of the same teams already.
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And then you got the worst teams in the, just fucking put everybody in it. Then like, that's,
35:48
that's okay. That's stupid. I'm giving that one an F minus. Okay. I'm also giving it a zero out
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of 10. The third proposal is a five by five method. Sources told sham strata in this one,
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the same 18 teams from the first concept, the bottom eight, 10 that missed the play-in
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plus the eight that would make the plan would be entered into the lottery.
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The teams with the five worst records would then all have the same odds with them descending from
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there. And there would be a lottery drawing for each of the top five picks in the draft.
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After those five picks are selected, there would be another lottery drawing for the remaining 13
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teams. If any of the teams with the five worst records, didn't land one of those top five spots,
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but like last season, when the teams with the worst with the first, the Utah jazz second,
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wizards and fourth, New Orleans Pelicans, worst records all moved back to fifth,
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sixth and seventh respectively. The lowest they could end up in the second lottery drawing would
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be 10th preventing a bad team from falling too far down the draft board.
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F minus minus. I actually think this one makes more sense than number two, but I still don't
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like it, but neither are good. Like, no, how about this? You know what? How about this?
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How this, how we do it? I know how to solve the problem. We get a fucking turtle. We get a turtle.
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We put them in a room. We put logos throughout the room. Whatever he steps on first, that gets
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the first pick. Then know whatever he steps on second, second, but just make it fucking random.
37:15
You want to solve it? Just make it random. What if we do like a maze runner situation for all the
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final T bottom four teams, maze runner, whoever makes it out alive, gets the first. Okay. I'm
37:28
listening. Now I'm thinking owners. You put them in a hunger game situation, give them some bows
37:34
and arrows. Whoever comes out alive gets the first one. It could be like a paintball nerf gun
37:40
situation where nobody actually has to die, but replicating the sort of, you know, but if we want
37:46
to make them bows and arrows, I'm not against it either. He dies. He dies. Listen, if it's good
37:51
for Drago, it's good for me. Exactly. Everybody knows that I've been saying this as a child. I
37:54
mean, at this point, let's, let's really ramp up the, the, the stakes because what we're,
38:02
this feels like Adam Silver's having a mental break. No, this is not good. This sounds honestly,
38:07
God, this sounds like Adam Silver is like, just quote, quoting the president's fucking
38:13
truth social at this point. He's having a wall, a wolf of wall. Jesus Christ, dude. He's on the
38:19
quaaludes. Like, are you fucking okay? Have we checked on Adam Silver? What the fuck is going on?
38:25
I don't know. Okay, guys, it's very clear. We're not fixing the problem. All we've done,
38:32
all I've heard now out of Shams's mouth is simply this. We don't know how to solve one problem
38:38
without creating 20 more. We don't have, we don't know how to solve this problem without potentially
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giving the Celtics or the Knicks or the Lakers also a chance at a first overall pick, which is
38:50
like good. Do it then you fucking idiots. Wow. You cause we've seen some crazy odds end up with
38:57
the first overall pick and like, we saw it last year. That's what they were just saying. They're
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like, and this is how we prevent that from happening. No, you can't, you can't prevent
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it from happening. That's the whole point of odds. The lottery. It's a lottery. That's the
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fucking word. What if we opened it up to more teams to make it more confusing and less likely
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that a low team gets a good pick. So you're literally, they're like, what if we keep the bad
39:23
teams bad and force them to be a little bit less bad, but not good. Cause that's all you're going
39:30
to get. All you are going to get from these shitty teams is that they are maybe slightly
39:35
less bad, still not good, still not winning anything, still not making the playoffs.
39:39
And you're taking away their chance at getting better. That is fucking insane. It reminds me of
39:43
that joke from Jim Jeffries, where he's talking about the second amendment and he was talking
39:48
about, he's like, well, you know, you can't change the constitution. He's like, it's called an
39:53
amendment. Do you know what that is? It's an amendment. You amend the constitution. A dictionary
40:03
can solve some problems today. Fuck man. It's rough, man. Holy hell. Well, it's good to know
40:10
that the people that are running sports are no smarter than any of you. I hope that's no,
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I don't, you know what we should do? We should come up with our own way to prevent taking and
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see if it matches up to, I'm telling you a turtle, just put a turtle on the ground.
40:23
I watch all these, a dog that with a, with a, with a bouncing ball that goes into a basketball
40:29
where they race. But I was saying, you know how, you know, you see these when they, when the people
40:32
are trying to pick their brackets, they have a dog, like a Corgi at the top of the stairs hit
40:36
and it lands in a basket. Fucking pick them like that. Or how the cats will,
40:40
they'll swat whatever piece of paper is that. Yep. I'll, I'll watch that. I'll watch that.
40:46
Watch a cat decide the future of an NBA franchise. I would kill to watch. I would much rather watch
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a cat determine the future of the NBA at this point that Adam silver. Oh, a hundred percent.
40:59
Well, so that went about as well as I could have hoped. I'm glad I was able to break all those
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all those to you individually. Let's move on to media corner. Let's do it. It's time for a little
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bit of old man, young buck beef. Yeah. George Girvin, the hall of fame basketball player,
41:21
four time NBA scoring champion told ESPN that he was caught off guard when he learned that
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bears quarterback, Caleb Williams had attempted to trademark the ice man nickname that Williams
41:35
during the 2025 season for his late game performances, culminating with the bears,
41:39
winning their first playoff game in 15 years. Now George Girvin said, I've been the ice man
41:43
for 40 something years. I never thought anybody would try to trademark it. He kind of knocked me
41:49
out of the box. Now on March 16th, Caleb Williams holding incorporated filed for trademarks
41:56
applications with the United States patent and trademark office related to the ice man nickname.
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According to the trademark application, goods and services related to the name include athletic
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sporting goods and equipment, water bottles, t-shirts, et cetera. You know, the whole deal.
42:07
And then on March 20th, George Girvin, after learning about this Girvin interest LLC filed
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two trademark applications for ice man and ice man 44, the latter of which references the Jersey
42:18
number Girvin war threat is NBA career. Um, his, uh, 44 has been retired by the Spurs since 1987.
42:26
Now, uh, before we get into the media part of this, uh, initial thoughts, just your personal
42:32
thoughts on this very old man, having a beef with Caleb Williams. Now George Girvin, absolutely
42:40
all time player. He is so old that I never, I don't even think I've seen a highlight. I'm not
42:44
going to lie. George Girvin, uh, earned that nickname. I believe in the year 1985. Really?
42:49
I believe so. Wait, he was playing in 85. Yes. He was playing in 85. If I remember correctly,
42:54
if I remember, I thought he was older than that. Okay. But I might be wrong. I might,
42:57
I might be very wrong on that year. I might be thinking he's older than he is. He might be,
43:02
but I know I'm pretty sure he was the eighties, but do me a favor, please Google that. So I want
43:07
to make sure I'm not speaking out of turn, um, but I believe it was the 1980s specifically.
43:13
Um, he's currently 73 years old and he retired in from the NBA in 1986 and played in Europe after
43:23
that. Okay. So he got this nickname in the eighties Iceman, but he was drafted like in like
43:29
the early seventies. Yeah. But he didn't get the nickname Iceman at that time. I don't believe so.
43:33
I believe he got, I believe he got it later on during when he was with the, so he was with the
43:38
Spurs for 11 years. So maybe somewhere in there. I really, I don't want to speak out of turn because
43:43
I cannot fully only play for the bulls for like a year. Well, here's the deal. Like, here's just
43:48
the fact the nickname is Iceman. Um, 95 million fucking people have had this nickname. Um, for
43:58
instance, did I spend, did you, did you call the writers of top gun and complain about Val
44:04
Kilmer being Iceman? If so, he's probably the most famous Iceman that exists. Did you, did you,
44:10
um, perhaps call a famous, famous, uncanny X-Men writer and illustrator? Um, I believe it was Jack
44:18
Kirby who, uh, created Iceman Bobby Drake for the X-Men who has now been a member of the Marvel
44:24
universe since 1963 does George Kirby, uh, get to come out and, uh, I'm sorry, Jack Kirby gets to
44:30
come out and sue you all for this trademark. It's a fucking nickname. Yeah. Get the fuck over
44:37
yourselves. And also you all gave yourselves the fucking nickname. Yeah. Goddamn clowns.
44:44
I do love I, so I respect someone who gives themselves a nickname and it sticks. I think
44:50
that that's really funny. I also think it's like way cooler if someone gives you the nickname,
44:54
like obviously that's what you want. The best thing you want someone to give you a nickname,
44:57
that's whatever. But like Kobe called himself the black Mamba stuck. Love it.
45:01
Good job. You gave yourself a nickname. You give yourself the right nickname and it works great,
45:04
but good news. There were no other black Mambas. Iceman is like, and I will say I ran into an Ice
45:10
man every three years. Well, and like, if you were going to be mad about this, you should have
45:14
been mad yet in the 1980s when Maverick or when, um, when Top Gun was a thing. Now my personal
45:21
issue with it is this, if you wanted to market yourself and, and merchandise Iceman as George
45:29
Gervin in 2026, why wasn't it already patented? Are you, you weren't selling merch. You weren't
45:35
selling that because if you had as a celebrity, you would have already had to obtain the patent
45:40
that would have already happened. And if nothing else, you should be happy. So this is a fuck you
45:45
bullshit. Like he's just being petty. Yes. And as far as I'm concerned, like you're 73 years old,
45:51
you click, like nobody is buying George Gervin merch in 2026. Nobody knows that George Gervin is,
45:57
I mean, like, I know who he is and like people over the age of 50 certainly do, but like,
46:04
I don't that nobody's like out like buying door. I think you and I could sell more merch at this
46:09
point than George Gervin. And so like, this is a petty fuck you move. And as soon as you become
46:15
petty for the sake of being petty, because you're an old man trying to hold onto your legacy now,
46:19
now I'm okay. Now I'm on Caleb. He's George Gervin. He's a hall of Famer. Cool. It's a
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basketball player from the 1970s. I don't care about any athletes from the 1970s. That is my
46:32
point. Cody. I'm agreeing with you. No one gives a shit. It doesn't sound like you are.
46:36
If you are somebody, I'm going to make this money. If you are somebody that mad dog,
46:42
Christopher Russo will get on the air and actually named drop. It means no one gives
46:45
a fuck about you. So yeah, if no one cares, if you're part of a Bill Simmons soliloquy and
46:52
then no one gives it, no one gives a shit. It's 2026. No one remembers athletes from 10
46:58
goddamn years ago, let alone 1976. And what your nickname was in the early 80s.
47:03
And the crazy part is that Caleb Williams is going to find a way to patent and sell his merch.
47:12
And he's going to make a lot of money from it because he's a superstar in the NFL. And he is
47:15
actually famous right now. And what he could have done is actually gone to if George Gervin had gone
47:22
to him and been like, Hey man, like, so this is, here's the deal. I've never merchandised this.
47:27
I didn't patent it. Is there a way we could cut a deal here? Because like, I'd love to see you
47:31
shine and succeed, do all that stuff. But also like, this is something I've kind of like, this
47:35
is me kind of giving up a part of something that like means a lot to me, blah, blah, blah. Have a
47:38
conversation with the young man. Believe it or not, Caleb Williams is a pretty good fucking kid.
47:42
He's a really good dude. We've heard nothing, but like, he's a good kid. Why does this always
47:50
have to turn into like the ownership? And that's how we get into the media part of this. Because
47:55
the most insufferable old man outside of his own former partner in crime,
48:01
Skip Bayless decided to take personal offense on behalf of George Gervin. And this is something
48:08
that drives me nuts. I know you well enough to know there's no way you like this bullshit either.
48:13
Skip Bayless tweets. I'm a Caleb Williams fan, but I was a much bigger Iceman Gervin fan and I'm
48:18
offended. Caleb and co are trying to steal George's all-time great nickname. I unleash on today's
48:24
arena gridiron and that's his podcast. So Caleb Williams responds and basically says like, yeah,
48:29
also words matter, Skip. Steal, that's insane. So he, the reality is that I have seen this,
48:36
the only time I see this and you can correct me if I'm wrong. The only time I see someone in media
48:42
say that they are offended by something athletes are doing to each other like this, like offended
48:48
on behalf of a professional athlete who doesn't give a fucking single fuck about them is old men.
48:54
Like what is this whole thing about being offended on behalf? This has nothing to do with you. Why
49:01
can't these motherfuckers just give their opinion? Say you think it's cheesy. Say you think it's not
49:06
cool. Tell us what do you and I just did. We just had a whole conversation about what we think about
49:12
the situation without giving a personal feeling about it because neither one of us knows George
49:18
Gervin or Caleb Williams. For us to be offended on behalf of people we don't fucking know
49:23
that in a situation that has nothing to do with us is bizarre. Why do they fucking do it? Cody,
49:28
tell me, tell me about your old men brethren. I'm 39 years old. No, you're that's what I'm saying.
49:35
The old men of your kind. Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry. I am white. That is true. The old men of your,
49:41
of your kind. Of course you are young and in your prime. I want to make this abundantly clear.
49:46
Skip Bayless. You know, nothing. Fuck with
49:54
look close. Stick to the things you're really good at, like your amazing takes on Iran, or,
50:01
or something about, I don't know, a quarterback for the Cowboys being gay that made you fucking
50:08
famous. You worthless, worthless fuck. I don't know how you're offended by someone trying to
50:14
trademark the word Iceman. It's only because you are a petty little child who literally must
50:20
have read the first, not even paragraph, just the first line of Eric Bischoff's book, where he said,
50:28
controversy creates cash. You're so desperate to make yourself relevant in a world of your own
50:35
relevance. You were irrelevant. When I was on the TV show right before you, you are irrelevant after
50:42
your co-host left and you were made even more irrelevant. You're more irrelevant now than this
50:49
fucking chair over here. Cause this chair serves a fucking purpose. You're an old man. Shut the
50:56
fuck up. Also your plastic surgery looks like shit. You know, what's so funny too,
51:01
trying to stay relevant by taking George Girvin's side, like in a 2026 beef, taking the side of a
51:09
1970s NBA player. That'll get the kids all the clicks. Genuinely insane. You are just stick to
51:17
Iran. That was a real killer tank. My guy. I don't even know what his take on Iran was. I don't
51:23
fucking care. Yeah. And it's really funny because both him and Stephen A. Smith are pissing us off.
51:29
Stephen A. Smith always pisses me off, but this is actually interesting because here's the thing.
51:34
I fucking can't stand Stephen A. Smith. He is a worthless, worthless, worthless, worthless person.
51:40
That being said, the only person that has ever been in this industry that might be more worthless
51:45
is like somehow living rent free in Stephen A. Smith's head and only his head because Jason
51:52
Whitlock is such a fucking nothing. I don't know what to do with myself. That's the craziest part
51:58
about this is as much as we all know, Stephen A. Smith at this point is like a shill. He provides
52:04
absolutely nothing to the sports media landscape. There is nothing of value to pull from Stephen A.
52:10
Smith and media anymore. However, there was a time for a while where I understood exactly where
52:16
his importance in the industry was. I understood where he came from and how he like actually helped
52:21
push sports media into a direction that became quite, you know, kind of like awful trailblazing,
52:27
but like regardless of how you feel about it, there was, they ushered in the debate show era,
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all this stuff. Yes. The worst thing that's ever happened to all of us. And at one point it was a,
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he was a actual, you know, writer and porter as Skip was. Now here's the thing.
52:45
Both as bad as we hate Stephen A. Smith, like Jason Whitlock is so much worse. It's like a,
52:52
like a bad person. It's just a fat piece of shit. No, it's not. No, it's not just that. No,
52:58
no. It's not just that he's unsettling to be around in a way that can only be described by
53:04
people who've been in a room with him. I sadly have, um, as if I, it's not, and you are not a
53:10
woman. And I will tell you right now, it's, it's different when you are a woman to be around someone
53:17
like Jason Whitlock. And I'm not saying he even said anything specific to me. He doesn't need to,
53:24
and everybody knows it. So, um, like when, when I'm sure you remember when cam Newton was on joy,
53:30
Taylor's podcast, it went viral and there was a, uh, he asked her about Jason Whitlock, uh,
53:36
they, or she was on his podcast, however it went, they were on each other's podcast in some capacity.
53:40
And, um, cause he had made a comment about how joy was distracting to work with because she always
53:46
had her boobs out and like, what was he supposed to do? And blah, blah, blah. Right. In fairness,
53:49
I was always distracted by Jason Whitlock cause he always had his boobs out as well. So that was
53:54
distracting. And I love joy. Like, like we are very friendly. Like that's a colleague that I
54:01
really care. I've never met joy. And everyone that I know and trust that does know joy only
54:06
says the nicest possible things about her. Yeah. But I truly don't know. But I know she's great.
54:12
And, um, and her response was essentially like the best thing ever, which was like,
54:17
yeah, I don't fucking, I would never give that man the time of day to even have this conversation.
54:22
And that's because there is nothing to say other than like, he's a, he's an unsettling person to
54:26
be around and, um, and him continue his, his he's remained in the level of relevance that he even
54:34
clings onto because people feel the need to repeatedly disprove his bullshit. Right. Like,
54:41
it's like him and Sage steel, they'd spout their MAGA bullshit. They spout their far right.
54:46
Christian bullshit. They've fought, they spout there. And, and there's something about that,
54:50
that irks people in the sports media space to the point where they engage with it. So Cam Newton,
54:56
our, our beloved rocket scientist, Cam Newton, let's all calm down with that. Um,
55:00
is, is gonna, is gonna engage with him. I'm gonna say you're Cam Newton on this one.
55:04
This is, uh, this is really irking Stephen A. Smith and Ryan Clark specifically.
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And I, I'm sorry, before you get into it, please don't, we can't shit talk Ryan Clark. He's already
55:14
yelled at me on threads before. Oh, I'm good. I'll shit talk Ryan Clark. But no, no, no. I just want
55:20
to say to their credit, I understand why these two are irked by it. Oh yes. So I've actually,
55:30
I can't believe I'm saying this. I actually might be on their side. Okay. Let's get to it. That's
55:35
why we got to go through it. Right? No, I feel you. So, so Stephen A. Smith there, uh, and Ryan
55:40
Clark, both beefing with Cam Newton over this decision to interview Whitlock. Um, who is the,
55:44
apparently this is how they described it. They described it as the arch rival of, of Stephen
55:48
A. Smith. Um, and, uh, for some reason Smith can't quit Jason Whitlock, uh, who, which keeps
55:56
the largely forgotten man in the headlines and makes him relevant, which is like, this is the
55:59
whole thing with Stephen A. Smith is like, if you just stop talking about Jason Whitlock, he would
56:03
never like, no one fucking cares. So, uh, Ryan Clark also jumped on this as well. And, um, after,
56:09
after Cam decided he was going to go ahead with this because, uh, Stephen A. Smith is taking
56:13
personally because Cam Newton's on first take. Okay. Uh, Ryan Clark says, if someone shows you
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love has you on their show twice a week, at least you don't bring his known enemy on your show and
56:22
allow your guests to talk shit about that person. That's not G at all. Loyalty is at a minimum these
56:28
days. So, uh, Ryan Clark, uh, has had some of the like best, like, um, uh, NFL sort of live take
56:39
moments in the last couple of years. And then also is genuinely like turning into this weird sort of
56:47
threads, Twitter troll. I think he's insufferable as fuck. That's not what I said. We're not talking
56:53
about his disposition. I'm telling you point blank. There was one human being on television
56:58
that understood how to handle DeMar Hamlin. And it was Ryan Clark moment live. He was like the only
57:04
person who understood the moment and like really handled it. He absolutely has a great connection
57:09
with players and understanding of things. And he is also somebody who I've seen admit that they
57:13
were wrong and apologize live on camera several times. He also seems to sort of continue to get
57:20
himself into beefs. So I will always give someone credit when they are clearly willing to like call
57:25
themselves to task. I also think he's like a lot lately and that's fine because people think I'm a
57:30
lot sometimes. So it is what it is. Um, so cam in response to all of this said, I will always do me
57:37
and continue to do me. And then everybody who tried to change me, it's not going to happen
57:40
because I am very secure and understand who I want for me. He then, uh, addressed Clark directly.
57:46
So you mean to tell me that you're going to tell me who I can and can't have on my platform. This
57:51
was never about Jason Whitlock and Stephen, a Smith. The reason why I decided to bring Jason,
57:55
Jason Whitlock on fourth and one was because Jason Whitlock has strong takes that I wanted to talk
57:59
man to man about and what better way to ease all that than through conversation. It's my job as a
58:04
creator to bring people together, to have an uncomfortable conversation. He shared his respect
58:08
and appreciation for Clark as a fellow content creator and former athlete who opened doors for
58:13
him and others. And he said, one thing that's not going to happen is to, uh, is a puppet string
58:19
attached to my back. Every single coach player that I've ever played with do I don't know what
58:25
that means. I'm going to do things out how I want to do them respectfully. So that's kind of where
58:30
it ended, which is like, I respect you guys, but I'm going to do this. It is what it is. I don't
58:34
know why you feel like you're going to control this. I appreciate the fact that you guys have
58:37
ushered me into this and you've mentored me. I will say before you get into your opinion,
58:43
I just want to remind people that Cam Newton's one of the most famous football players of the
58:49
21st century. He did not need Ryan Clark and Stephen A. Smith to get him on television. So
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I, I do think having mentorship and people who are willing to take you under their wing is,
59:00
is great. Okay. He could have gotten on TV at any single moment. He's Cam Newton.
59:04
You're giving Brian Clark a lot of credit for his mentorship. Right. Uh, I am not,
59:10
and it is, you do need some level of mentorship heading into television. I don't think so,
59:14
but I also watch Ryan Clark on television and I, anyone that wants his mentorship, that's,
59:19
that's on them. I actually disagree. I don't, you're a bar for, for TV, for TV athletes needs
59:26
to lower. Like it just genuinely does. Like, who do you actually think does a good job breaking
59:30
down the NFL? Just for, just for some, as a former athlete, just, um, I really do like
59:36
work. I think he does a pretty good job. Like this is how I know you're fucking crazy. Just
59:39
sure. It doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about for 10 years. Breakdown of the actual game
59:43
play by play. He's fantastic. Uh, Schwartz does a good job, even though he's not in the mainstream
59:48
very much these days, but we're going mainstream people simply out of, are we just looking at this
59:54
pretty mainstream where he was for a while? He was, he's a little bit, a little taken aback,
59:56
but he's more just doing more play by play right now. Yeah. Play by play is like one thing. Um,
1:00:00
somebody who's just like yakking about the game because like realistically there's only so many
1:00:06
count who has been put in front of me, unfortunately. And who's being put in front
1:00:09
of me is Dan Orlovsky and, and, and Clark. Yeah. So I'm not getting as far as former
1:00:16
players are concerned. Uh, like any of the quarterbacks you give us to talk about Ryan
1:00:19
Fitzpatrick. Oh no, no. Ryan Fitzpatrick is doing the magic thing. It's not, it's not great.
1:00:25
Sherman same thing. I'm actually going to go a step further here. I can't think of anyone. I
1:00:32
actually starting to think of X players that are actually doing a really great job in the NFL side.
1:00:36
And part of that is because of what we've talked about with media in general is that we're just
1:00:39
whittling ourselves down to like hot take bullshit. And so if you're going to whittle,
1:00:44
if you're going to whittle shit down to hot take bullshit, it's what you're going to end up feeding
1:00:47
into. And that's where you lead at formerly thoughtful. Um, like, because if you go back
1:00:52
a few years, Ryan Clark was somebody who was really good at breaking down the game and being
1:00:56
thoughtful about the cultural stuff. He does, he does a lot of talking about like black culture
1:01:01
and all that stuff, which I think is really important on his podcast. And so like, there's a,
1:01:05
but like, realistically, there's just not a lot of people doing it any better. And Cam Newton
1:01:10
is bombastic and over the top. No, but he's the same thing though. Everybody else is doing,
1:01:16
but this is the thing, like, here's the ultimate thing. I don't give a shit about almost any of
1:01:21
this because none of these people have any information about anything about sports or
1:01:26
breakdowns that they even care to share with us all that much. Cam Newton has both Cam Newton and
1:01:31
Ryan Clark will give you information about the game that you don't understand. Sure. If, if,
1:01:35
if they're prompted to on something, that's not on any of these television shows, they just don't
1:01:39
do that. I've watched, it's just the same shit. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's NFL season stuff. It's
1:01:46
definitely not like on first take really very often, but like, if you see them doing the NFL,
1:01:49
like the, the football actual segments on ESPN or whatever else during the season,
1:01:55
they'll break down the game, which is interesting. But again, we don't get a lot of that. We get a
1:01:58
lot of the hot take shit. We get all the other shit. That's the shit that this is the shit,
1:02:02
this squabbling shit we're getting. Also I have, I do take umbrage on the Ryan Clark,
1:02:07
the guy that's letting you on his show. Fuck off. Like, like, so you, so you're, you're moving away
1:02:12
from taking Ryan Clark side. I've never really had his side. I just kind of, if I have to pick a side,
1:02:19
if I have no fucking choice done to my head, I have to pick one of these dog shit.
1:02:28
You're telling me I have to take Ryan Clark and Stephen A. Smith being upset at cam for interviews,
1:02:33
viewing the most repulsive fuck in the world. Then I guess I'm on Ryan Clark's side,
1:02:39
but that's not, that's like saying whose side were you on in world war II, Stalin or Hitler?
1:02:44
Well, I had no real choice to be on Stalin side on this one. Italian. Oh no. Uh, Mussolini. That's
1:02:50
my side. There was no winning. No, it's bad. It's bad news bears all around. I do. I do think that
1:02:58
like, um, there is, I, I feel like I wish people would stop. I get tired of people just expecting
1:03:09
Cam Newton to be anything but what he is. Cam doesn't like come for people. No, he just is cam.
1:03:17
That being said, he's a kind of a joke. He's misogynistic. He's sexist as fuck. By the way,
1:03:22
Ryan Clark SAS have no problem with him being misogynistic as all hell on his nose. No,
1:03:27
no. Just as long as you don't say something bad about Stephen. But if he talks to Jason Whitlock,
1:03:33
that's where they draw the line. Like camp saying some absurd shit to about in two women on his
1:03:38
podcast regularly. And they're like, but why are you talking to Jason? Can we break this down
1:03:43
quicker? Are we pretend, why is Ryan Clark pretending that Stephen A. Smith is respected
1:03:47
by athletes? He's not like, that's the other thing. Like, I don't know anyone that respects
1:03:50
Stephen A. Smith, but not only in the sports industry, but athletes, there's not one athlete
1:03:54
I've ever met. Not one that even that's on television with him that has a single nice
1:03:59
thing to say about him. So I don't know what the fuck we're talking about under the bus every
1:04:03
single time. So I don't, I truly do not comprehend what the fuck Ryan Clark's talking about. That
1:04:10
being said, fuck cam Newton for doing that. But also I don't like anyone in this situation. I
1:04:17
hope you all fucking kill each other. I can't find it in my heart. And like, I don't know what it is.
1:04:22
I cannot find it in my heart to give a fuck, to be, to, to feign, I guess, to feign anger that
1:04:31
cam Newton's interviewing Jason Whitlock. It's like the least surprising thing to me. Like I, I,
1:04:36
I have a standard of what I expect from cam Newton. And what are you expecting me to push back on?
1:04:42
Like, that's the other thing. What, what are you expecting cam Newton? Like Ryan Clark? This is my
1:04:47
question for Ryan Clark. Just realistically, not even like angry, you know, cam Newton, you, you,
1:04:52
you're right now spouting up. He says sexist shit that you go along with. He says stupid shit that
1:04:56
you go along with. What about cam Newton and your mentorship? You and SAS just amazing mentorship
1:05:05
made you believe he was going to give an interview and push back on fucking anything.
1:05:11
That's my question. Like I'm baffled by your guys's view of the world that you thought this
1:05:18
was real. And I like appreciate that Ryan Clark himself on his podcast pushes back. I appreciate
1:05:24
that he is capable of doing that. I am so impressed that Ryan Clark had the kind of
1:05:28
fucking career that he had, where he took the amount of hits that he had and still works his
1:05:33
ass off every single day. Like I genuinely respect for him as a football player, the same way I
1:05:37
respect cam by the way, for pushing his body to an extreme in that game for like both of these guys
1:05:44
kind of got, took an absolute beating in the league. And like, it's just like exhausting.
1:05:48
I don't care. I think cam Newton got so much unnecessary hate as a football player,
1:05:56
that I really have zero interest in aligning myself with Stephen a Smith to attack him at
1:06:01
this point. Now, if he now, when cam's best ever, and this has been going back since I was a writer
1:06:07
for USA today and all these, I will call cam Newton on his shit. Every time the misogyny,
1:06:13
the bullshit, he, the shit he's, he went to like a school full of children and said misogynist
1:06:17
shit. Like this guy is a real pain in my ass. When it comes to that, I also feel like at some
1:06:25
point we need to just stop acting like we expect anything different from these people than what
1:06:33
they're capable of giving us. I also would rather watch cam Newton talk about football
1:06:38
than Ryan Fitzpatrick who played for 49 different NFL teams, then fucking, uh, one of the hassle
1:06:45
backs, whatever, when they plan to hand me at any given fucking moment, like, no, we, the people
1:06:52
you're rolling out, I don't give a fuck. Like, so if you're going to, if you're going to give me
1:06:56
former quarterbacks talking about football, you got Tom Brady in the booth. You got paid Manning
1:07:00
on the Manning cast. Let me hear from, let him talk about football. You guys are the ones who
1:07:06
constantly have him talking about bullshit. He shouldn't be fucking talking about. So anyways,
1:07:12
that's, that's, that, that is that in media corner, we decided that we are taking no one
1:07:18
side. We hate everything involved. I took my side reluctantly. No, you did. You made me choose a
1:07:24
side. You took a side and I took campsite again, which is horrifying because I did. I'm not going
1:07:30
to lie to you based on this whole conversation. I had not outside of outside. I don't like Ryan
1:07:35
Clark. I mean, I don't like Ryan Clark coming for him and Stephen Smith coming for him over
1:07:40
something. That's like, that I agree with. That's like, we should just expect, but I hate
1:07:45
loyalty is a fucking wild thing to say in print, by the way. And I hate Jason Whitlock and I hate
1:07:50
that he gets these, these, I don't particularly like anyone involved. I hate two of them and I
1:07:58
don't really care about the other two. And you can figure out who this is pretty easily. You hate
1:08:03
SAS and Jason Whitlock. If they both, if, if, if I said this at the radio row sitting on stage
1:08:10
with Michelle Beatle while we were doing our show and we looked over there and we saw mad dog
1:08:15
at talking with Stephen A and we looked over there, we see just like other people throughout
1:08:19
the industry. And I just said to Michelle on, I think it was even on the air, Mike, Michelle,
1:08:23
just looking at this room of people, all these self-important nonsensical people who truly know
1:08:28
nothing. If a comment hit this building right now, us as a society, we wouldn't lose much.
1:08:34
We'd be better off. We might be better. Yeah. But who, who would debate about Iran on first take?
1:08:44
Got me there. Let's get skip out here. Let's let's dust off that old fucking 79 year old,
1:08:49
who knows so much someday we're going to, you know, this, by the way, I hate to break this to
1:08:54
you, but someday we're going to get the insufferable skip Bayless SAS reunion. And it's,
1:09:01
well, it's nice that you say that, you know, what I hope for is that the world ends first.
1:09:06
Okay. Listen, I'm sorry. I know we said on Monday, we would get to the bloody sock. We'll
1:09:09
get to the bloody sock on Monday. We do have a comprehensive breakdown. It's specifically me.
1:09:16
I have DNA evidence that the bloody sock was indeed marinara. And I'm looking forward to
1:09:21
presenting my point and we will get to that on Monday. I mean, I don't think we're going to get
1:09:26
to it on Monday because I don't believe that you actually have this evidence. And I think you're
1:09:30
going to continue stalling and I'm not going to lie. I like at this point, I'm starting to take
1:09:35
it personally that you won't just take me on fully on this topic. I think you're afraid of this. I
1:09:40
think you're afraid of, of me, of my expertise. I think, you know, how much I know about baseball
1:09:44
in comparison to you as a professional baseball player, you don't want to get embarrassed by
1:09:48
somebody who's just a fan. And I think you're afraid of that. We will discuss this on Monday,
1:09:53
but until then, just so you can wet the palette, like share and subscribe right here to this show,
1:09:58
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1:10:02
we are going to be looking very hard starting next week on actually doing this show live,
1:10:08
not just on YouTube, but potentially Twitch, Twitter, and we're going to work on Instagram
1:10:14
as well. It would be on my Instagram. She's got a bigger following me on there. She's got a bigger
1:10:20
following on Instagram. I have no ego in this. It's because of the knees. It's because her knees
1:10:26
are just so fucking hot. You could have 50,000 Instagram followers. I got to start showing off
1:10:33
my knees or sometimes it's in the bloody ankle. It's in the bloody talk. No, no, I have evidence
1:10:40
I'm going to demolish her with this evidence. But listen, one thing we can agree on no matter
1:10:44
what is- And we always agree on this.
1:10:45
Fuck you, Curt Chilling. Fuck you, Curt Chilling.
1:10:47
Oh, fuck you.